Michael Grade's History of the Pantomime Dame


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Tonight, we present for your entertainment,

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the most gregarious, the most garrulous,

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the most glorious creature in the history of British theatre.

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Gorgeous!

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150 years old, and in the rudest of health, ladies and gentlemen,

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we give you the primped, the powdered, the most phantasmagorical -

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the pantomime dame!

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What do you think?

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Very attractive woman, if I don't mind saying so myself!

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The history of pantomime is as colourful

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and flamboyant as the dames who eventually took centre stage.

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From John Rich, who made a fortune from pantomime in the 18th century...

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What a showman!

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..to a contemporary and streetwise ugly sister.

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-You know I'm sexy, ain't I?

-No!

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But what the earliest and most modern pantomimes

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have in common is a world of delightful disorder.

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It's about misrule. Everything's the wrong way round all of a sudden.

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And at the very centre of it all is the dame.

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She is the queen of misrule,

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and she's been played by the greatest comedians of stage and screen.

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You've got to have eyes that can say everything,

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and knees that make you laugh.

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If you haven't got funny knees - forget it!

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# The wonderful pantomime dame, why do you make us so laugh like you do?

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# Does she remind you of old Aunty Glad?

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# Or was it your nanny, or even your dad?

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# Whatever the reason, we laugh just the same

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# At the wonderful pantomime dame. #

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As if you hadn't guessed, that was yours truly,

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dressed as a woman for the first and last time, I promise!

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It's funny, you put on the dress, all the make-up and the wig,

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and you step out onto the stage a dame.

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Not a man. Not a woman.

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But a powerful character, the heart and soul of pantomime.

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Go to bed!

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She's motherly, flirtatious and vain.

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Outrageous, anarchic,

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and I love her!

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Now, I can remember my first pantomime,

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sitting in the wings on a bucket at Finsbury Park Empire,

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watching my Aunt Kathy as principal boy.

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But the thing that really captivated me - she was very good -

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but the thing that really captivated me was the pantomime dame.

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The comedy, the outrageous power of that character,

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the communication with the audience.

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Make-up time.

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So what it is it about this great British institution

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that still pulls in the crowds?

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Done, dusted.

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Why has she survived and thrived for so long?

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I've come to York to meet the doyenne of modern pantomime dames.

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He's a living local legend and his name is Berwick Kaler.

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They queue for hours as soon as the tickets go on sale,

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and he's played dame here for over 30 years.

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He is indeed the first lady of modern pantomime.

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For 33 years, Berwick has written the annual pantomime

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and appeared as the dame.

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This year he's called it The York Family Robinson.

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Every year it's a fresh and topical script.

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But, the first words he utters on stage are sacred.

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They never change.

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I utter four banal words.

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If I cough before I said these four words, the audience would be aghast!

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Me babbies, me bairns!

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And it puts everyone at ease. The family's back together again.

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-Nothing's changed.

-The family's back together.

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-Have you missed us?

-Yes!

-We've missed you, I tell you.

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-Have you brought your sense of humour with you?

-Yes!

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Oh, You're going to need it!

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He'll stand on stage and he will look the whole house

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and within seconds, everybody feels he's said hello to them,

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almost individually, and it's a fantastic ability to be

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able to do that and just take everybody in, really quickly.

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Anybody who wants to make a rush for the door,

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you've got three seconds, one, two, three.

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DOORS SLAM SHUT

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Too late!

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You're all mine, and what a show we've got for you.

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Five minutes of solid entertainment crammed into six and a half hours.

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All I wanted to be was a Shakespearean actor,

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and I was getting these pantomimes.

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When I first started here we were doing panto scripts

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that had been round the country, you know...

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-Stock, the stock...

-Stock pantomimes.

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And, I just thought, no, this is not acceptable.

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-This is just conning the public.

-No originality, no identification with the community.

-No.

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-It could have been...

-Anywhere, any town.

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Anywhere in the UK, anywhere in the UK.

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And then the next year, the director said, "Well, why don't you just write it?"

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-And you enjoy writing it?

-I love it, I love it, I love it.

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-Hi, Ma! Did you want something?

-Yeah, look at these.

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-Are those bills?

-No, they're mine!

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The writer Max Beerbohm said that pantomime was the only art form invented by the British.

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That's a slight exaggeration,

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but by absorbing the theatrical conventions and traditions

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of other nations, we have made it quintessentially British.

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The plot is always very simple, the girl dressed as a boy,

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who's the son of a man dressed as a woman.

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There's a man dressed as a woman, who has a son played by a girl,

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who's dressed as a boy, who falls in love with a girl who is a girl,

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and they're helped out by two people dressed as an animal.

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Try explaining that to our American cousins!

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Big hello to the third year Shakespeare students...

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..from Connecticut, America.

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They have never seen a panto before

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LAUGHTER

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They still haven't!

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LAUGHTER

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This is Covent Garden, a great place to see street entertainers.

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And it's piazzas like this one that saw the start of pantomime

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and the pantomime dame.

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Our story begins in the sixteenth century, in the streets

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and marketplaces of France and Italy,

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with the tradition of Commedia dell'Arte, a sort of improvised

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comedies with a group of characters who are endlessly satirised.

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Audiences were entranced by the comedy, the cross-dressing,

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and the mayhem of Commedia and pantomime still entrances audiences,

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and professors of theatre studies!

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The origins of pantomime in Britain start with the importation

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of Italian performers from the Commedia dell'Arte.

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It's a typical structure of comedy -

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young lovers being thwarted by the older generation,

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having to get their way by all sorts of tricks.

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And you have the famous Commedia characters,

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the Harlequin, the Pantaloon, the Columbine, and those gradually

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merge into a British version of the pantomime.

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The performance of Commedia in mask was actually generally a half mask,

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so that the mouth was free but the top of the face was

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characterised in a usually very exaggerated way.

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They're human and recognisable but also not quite human

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and recognisable.

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And today's traditional dame make-up - for example, the very high

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arched eyebrows the often very white face, acts as a kind of mask.

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It's extraordinary, but this is where the change starts,

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just by putting on the make-up, because I find myself,

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when I'm looking at myself, smiling more like a woman than a man.

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There's an old saying -

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"What the Lord has forgotten, we stuff with cotton."

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And now I stand on the side of the stage, take a deep breath

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and I hear the music and as soon as I've heard three bars of the music

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# Da-da, di diddle dee-dee... #

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I'm on! We're there. I'm a dame.

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I think it's that level of absurdity and almost grotesque humour,

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that takes us right back to Commedia dell'Arte.

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And we can see the same kind of humour in this remarkable silent film.

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It's called Le Pied de Mouton, and it is essentially a pantomime.

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It follows the dramatic form that would have been entirely familiar

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to theatre audiences in the eighteenth century.

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Here are the young lovers, Harlequin and Columbine.

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But there's trouble ahead.

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Here comes Columbine's father to thwart their plans.

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He wants Columbine to marry the rich fool, dressed as a clown.

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The characters and the plot are timeless

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and we know that love will conquer all.

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In between there's magic and slapstick,

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elements that remain to this day.

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Right.

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Oh, no!

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Aw, what a nasty accident!

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So in the eighteenth century,

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pantomime is starting to acquire the elements that we recognise today.

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Slapstick. And transformation scenes.

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But one ingredient was missing.

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# What ain't we got? We ain't got dames. #

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in the eighteenth century there weren't dames as such

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in the way that we'd recognise them now,

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but there have always been men dressing up as women,

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generally women who are much older - they're not playing young females,

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they're playing the mothers.

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The nurse role in Romeo and Juliet, for example,

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I think is part of that comic, much more bawdy comic tradition.

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This is the heart of London's theatre district.

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Behind me the Royal Opera House,

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just around the corner the Theatre Royal, Drury Lane,

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and over in that direction is the site of the Lincoln's Inn Theatre.

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Now the man who ran the theatre, actor-manager John Rich,

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is the founding father of the British pantomime.

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If you want to find out about John Rich, the place to come

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is the Garrick Club here on the edge of Covent Garden.

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It's not just a fine gentleman's club,

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it also boasts one of the greatest theatrical libraries in the country.

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Just the place to find out how Rich got rich.

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This is an actual book kept by Rich,

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and he kept an account of what he was putting on

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at Lincoln's Inn Fields and later at Covent Garden,

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an account of his takings, and importantly

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what the opposition were putting on at Drury Lane, just round the corner.

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And if we go to December the twentieth, 1723,

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1723.

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Here we can see The Drummer and Necromancer,

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Harlequin Doctor Faustus for the first time.

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And the takings - £162.

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That's in one night.

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And the previous night with Don Quixote

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he only made £22.

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So from £22 to a £162,

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and every night there's a pantomime, you're in a three-figure sum.

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He's really milking the cash.

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And £162 is how much today, do you think?

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You're looking at £200,000. a night.

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If he's doing what, six performances a week, or six - he's taking six,

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he's taking £1.2 million in today's spending power.

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It's a phenomenal amount.

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This is a goldmine, this man has struck gold,

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and oil and diamonds - all in one place, with pantomime.

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With pantomime.

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He starts to become very successful. To what end? What was his ambition?

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He wanted to build a theatre.

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-But he had a theatre.

-He wanted a better theatre, he wanted the best theatre,

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a bigger theatre. He wanted to blow Drury Lane out of the water.

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And it's the money that he'd made from his successes

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that enabled John Rich to move from the old theatre

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at Lincoln's Inn Fields and build a brand new theatre at Covent Garden.

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And in 1731 - and we can see him in this engraving -

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Rich's Glory or his Triumphant Entry Into Covent Garden

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-Oh, wow!

-And here we have Harlequin driving the chariot shouting, "Rich for ever".

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-Here's John Rich in his dog costume, sitting...

-Dog costume?

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Yeah - it's from earlier pantomimes where he played a dog,

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and he used to cock his leg.

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Wow! What a showman! What a showman!

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We're only just discovering now, I think,

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the kinds of important things that John Rich did

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in establishing pantomime as this centrally English celebration of

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the enjoyment of theatre and the kind of silliness

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that you can have, as well as the serious part of it.

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From John Rich to the current day,

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there remain staple elements of pantomime.

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There's music, dance, a dash of topical satire

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and with Berwick's dying swan, some tragedy as well.

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And there's another pantomime tradition that Berwick's dame embraces - wordplay.

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It is one of the ingredients of pantomime.

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Yes. And now I've got one here that you've written,

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and I was foolish enough to be persuaded.

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What part do you want?

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I'll play Wishy-washy. You can do Twankey.

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I'll play Wishy-washy, the accomplice.

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Dad picked up this old bag in Baghdad, Dad did.

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Did Dad pick up that old bag in Baghdad, did Dad?

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Dad died of a deadly duodenal in Baghdad, Dad did.

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-Did Dad die in Baghdad, did Dad?

-Dad did die in Baghdad, Dad did.

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-Did Dad die?

-Dad did die.

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-Die.

-Die.

-Die.

-Die. Did-ee eye-tye die die a-die a-die eye!

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Standing ovation.

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Pantomime is family-friendly, of course,

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but a good dame should be nice and naughty.

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Eee, This takes me back!

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There is a knowing conspiracy between the dame

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and the audience, who accept she's a woman played by a man.

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Right, let's all get a good night's sleep!

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It's all good knockabout fun...

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..with endless possibilities for the double entendre.

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And the mistress of the form was the brilliant Jack Tripp.

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-Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello!

-Hello. I don't think I've had the pleasure.

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No, and I don't think you're going to, either!

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-It's you!

-It is I.

-I didn't recognise you.

-Oh, thank you!

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You look marvellous. Really and truly.

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You've got to see it to believe it.

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Well, you'd better believe it, because you're not going to see it.

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But there's that terrible old joke about double entendres, you know,

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I can't stand double entendres,

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if I see one in a script I just want to whip it out.

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And there is that kind of element to it

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-and I don't like pantomimes being rude.

-Smutty, yes.

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But there is an element that children don't understand,

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-that adults do.

-It has to be a double entendre, not a single.

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Yeah!

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What about my poor sister Annie? She's gone, you know, has my Annie,

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and my poor old granny, and my sister Fanny, what am I going to do?

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No Annie, no granny and no sign of my other sister at all!

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Another legacy from the earliest pantomimes is topical satire.

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Even Berwick writes it into his family-friendly pantomimes.

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-He's staggering!

-It's as if he doesn't know which way to turn.

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-He's going to the left.

-Bit like the Conservatives!

-Now he's going to the right.

-Bit like Labour!

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-He's running away.

-Bit like the Liberals!

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This kind of mockery and topicality can be traced right back

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to the pantomime scripts of John Rich.

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In 1721, Rich included verses about the South Sea Bubble,

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a giant financial scandal that wiped out thousands of investors.

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His verses wouldn't be out of place today.

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But for the South Sea Bubble read Lehman Brothers or

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the Greek debt crisis.

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"Hear me weep and wail, Listen to my doleful ditty

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"Mind my wretched state and pity.

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"While the stocks were rising, rising,

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"My fortunes were surprising.

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"But now they fail, My garments at sale

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"My hopes beguiled, My remnants spoiled

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"And I am ruined out of measure."

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Breaks your heart, doesn't it?

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Topicality, satire and other wonderful pantomime conventions

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have their roots here in the West End of London

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at John Rich's Covent Garden, and at a rival establishment nearby.

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This is the great Theatre Royal, Drury Lane,

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just a stone's throw from Rich's Covent Garden.

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Inside here, treading the boards,

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was the great actor-manager of the day, David Garrick.

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Now, Rich's vulgar entertainments were giving Garrick a problem,

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stealing audiences from the serious theatre.

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So he decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

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David Garrick, the great actor-manager of his day,

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the great Shakespearean, realises that John Rich is doing

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so well, he's actually taking away his business,

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so at Drury Lane, we find the great David Garrick admitting this,

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and saying, "You know, if my audiences won't come to Hamlet

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"or Lear, I must give them Harlequin."

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And he does - and it's a wow!

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Gyles Brandreth is a former MP and a familiar TV face.

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But it's not as widely known that Gyles is a genuine

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pantomime historian and passionate about the subject.

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He knows the works of Garrick inside out.

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David Garrick, you know, founder of the Shakespeare festival,

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gets into pantomime.

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And one of the shows he gives us, is Harlequin Invasion.

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Topical show, this is all about General Wolfe, the Heights of Quebec and all this,

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and it includes this song with which you may even be familiar.

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"We still make them feel, and we still make them flee,

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"and drub them at shore, as we drub them at sea, so cheer up m'lads with

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"one heart let us sing, oh soldiers and sailors our statesman and King,

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"hearts of oak are our ships, jolly tars are our men..."

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# We always are ready, steady, boys, steady... #

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"Hearts of oak..."

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Which lives on today.

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..which lives on today - lives on today in the navy -

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but they got the whole audience singing Hearts of Oak.

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Yeah, wonderful. It's all down to panto.

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History of Britain, panto!

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Oh, no it isn't!

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That's very good!

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So in the eighteenth century, pantomime has audience participation

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and box office hits, but still no sign of the dame.

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Don't panic!

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Enter a character who would transform pantomime

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and open the door for the dame.

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In 1781, a three-year-old boy appeared on the stage

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at Drury Lane in one of David Garrick's pantomimes.

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He was to become the greatest

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and the most influential figure in the whole history of the art form.

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His name - Joseph Grimaldi.

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The reason that Grimaldi is so important in the story of pantomime,

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is that Grimaldi moves the clown centre-stage.

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Until then the harlequinade had essentially been a romantic story.

0:22:310:22:36

-Like a fool in Shakespeare?

-Exactly.

-Just a bit player.

0:22:360:22:39

-A bit player, and now...

-..comic relief.

0:22:390:22:41

Comic relief, but now actually the funny bits become the central bits.

0:22:410:22:46

He walked in funny.

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And they say that with a clown, with a great clown,

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the two tests are the eyes, and the knees.

0:22:510:22:54

You've got to have eyes that can say everything,

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and knees that make you laugh.

0:22:580:23:00

If you haven't got funny knees, forget it.

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Grimaldi changed the face of pantomime

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and paved the way for the pantomime dame.

0:23:050:23:09

It's Grimaldi also who adapts

0:23:090:23:11

what we think of now as the standard clown makeup,

0:23:110:23:14

the crying and laughing clown,

0:23:140:23:16

that was Grimaldi's makeup - that was his mask.

0:23:160:23:21

He was a sensation in everything he was in, every pantomime.

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Here we have him - Grimaldi's Bang Up in the pantomime of The Golden Fish.

0:23:260:23:32

I mean, we are talking genius here, aren't we, by all accounts?

0:23:320:23:36

Yeah. And, in the pantomime of the Red Dwarf.

0:23:360:23:39

With his Mohican.

0:23:390:23:41

Wow! He must have been absolutely mesmerising, and funny.

0:23:410:23:47

Funny, funny, funny.

0:23:470:23:48

Yeah. A lunatic.

0:23:480:23:51

Do you think Grimaldi won popularity with the kind of

0:23:530:23:56

sideways look at the Regency period and a bit of satire?

0:23:560:24:00

The joy of these early pantomimes is that they manage to get under

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the barrier when it came to the rules and regulations,

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because if you were performing a straightforward play,

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you had to get a licence to do so, but if it was a pantomime

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that included music and pantomimic interludes,

0:24:130:24:16

no script was required for that, so there they are confronted

0:24:160:24:18

with a live audience and a live entertainer who comes on, knowing

0:24:180:24:23

that he can get away with anything, cos it's for one night only.

0:24:230:24:26

You could make political remarks. And he did so.

0:24:260:24:29

And he was said to be really quite sharp and observant.

0:24:290:24:32

If you wanted the slapstick, the visual humour - he was there.

0:24:320:24:36

If you wanted the song, he was there, the sentiment - he was there.

0:24:360:24:39

-If you wanted the sharpness, there he was.

-Amazing.

0:24:390:24:42

This is probably the closest we can get to see what Grimaldi was like on stage.

0:24:460:24:53

This is George Robey, the music hall star and pantomime dame

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appearing as a clown in a silent film from 1923.

0:24:570:25:03

Funny face and funny knees.

0:25:030:25:06

And Grimaldi didn't just wear a bit of slap, he also put on a frock.

0:25:090:25:14

He did play comic women.

0:25:140:25:16

In a pantomime he famously played the part of Queen Rondabellyanna,

0:25:160:25:22

Rondabellyanna, you know, and dressed physically for that role.

0:25:220:25:27

So he was a comic dame figure.

0:25:270:25:30

I bet he was wonderful.

0:25:300:25:32

He must have been wonderful.

0:25:320:25:33

This is Grimaldi's grave.

0:25:410:25:43

He died in 1837, the year that Queen Victoria ascended the throne.

0:25:430:25:48

One newspaper wrote, "Grimaldi is dead - he hath left no peer.

0:25:480:25:53

"We fear that with him, the spirit of pantomime has disappeared."

0:25:530:25:58

Well, it hasn't disappeared, and his spirit is very much alive today.

0:25:580:26:02

It was Grimaldi who put the clown centre-stage and donned the frock.

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It was Grimaldi who laid the foundation for the modern pantomime dame.

0:26:050:26:10

So you now get comics who are going to be central characters,

0:26:200:26:24

and comics see the potential in the mother-in-law figure,

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of dressing up as a woman, the dame, and the dame is born.

0:26:280:26:32

-And flirting and...

-Flirt, and you can be every sort of...

0:26:320:26:35

I mean as a dame, you know, a bloke as a woman can be everything -

0:26:350:26:39

can be imperious, can be flirtatious, play...

0:26:390:26:44

-Shy, coquettish.

-And it's all larger than life.

0:26:440:26:47

-You're a natural - have you been...?

-I've always wanted to play the part.

0:26:470:26:50

Getting quite a lot of practising at home!

0:26:500:26:53

-Indeed, very quietly.

-We'll talk about that later!

0:26:530:26:56

Of all the wonderful dame characters,

0:26:580:27:01

there's one that stands out for me, and that's Widow Twankey.

0:27:010:27:04

Hold it, hold it! Oh, dear.

0:27:040:27:07

It's just like peeling onions, that is!

0:27:110:27:14

Widow Twankey is a key figure in the evolution of pantomime.

0:27:190:27:23

She is the very model of the modern pantomime dame.

0:27:230:27:27

I'm in search of the first Widow Twankey and I've come

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to the archives of the Victoria and Albert Museum to find her.

0:27:300:27:34

After you.

0:27:340:27:35

Curator Cathy Hailes is my guide.

0:27:350:27:38

I brought you in here to show you a playbill.

0:27:380:27:41

You asked me when Widow Twankey first appeared,

0:27:410:27:45

and here on this playbill,

0:27:450:27:47

which is for the Strand Theatre, in 1861,

0:27:470:27:51

second on the bill, not just the pantomime.

0:27:510:27:53

A-ha. The Widow Twankay.

0:27:530:27:57

Twankay.

0:27:570:27:58

"Aladdin's mother, 'who,' to quote the Arabian Nights, 'was rather old

0:27:580:28:02

"and who even in her youth, had not possessed any beauty' -

0:28:020:28:05

"Mr James Rogers."

0:28:050:28:07

What's interesting, of course, is the name,

0:28:070:28:09

Twankay - which is the name that comes from the rather inferior tea

0:28:090:28:13

which people would have known about at the time, that, Twankay tea...

0:28:130:28:18

Widow Tetley, or...?

0:28:180:28:20

Yes. And here we have a photograph.

0:28:200:28:25

And I mean, this is wonderful because this is 1861.

0:28:250:28:30

-Early photography

-Early photography.

0:28:300:28:32

Of course they couldn't do it in theatres -

0:28:320:28:36

-they were doing it in studios.

-Look, and here's Widow Twankay.

0:28:360:28:39

There he is, Jimmy Rogers in a very modest,

0:28:390:28:44

quite authentically Chinese costume.

0:28:440:28:47

Earrings.

0:28:470:28:48

The eyebrows look very nicely painted on.

0:28:480:28:52

So, here we have not only the first portrayal of Widow Twankey,

0:28:530:28:58

but she also gives us evidence

0:28:580:28:59

of that enduring pantomime convention, the double entendre.

0:28:590:29:05

"My husband was a tailor but he's gone,

0:29:050:29:08

"he's just popped off as he was getting on...

0:29:080:29:11

"..while sewing on a button, husband, why?

0:29:110:29:14

"What made you thus pop off the hook and die?"

0:29:140:29:17

And so I think there's that humour of the word "pop" for a start.

0:29:170:29:20

You then wonder, well, where were the buttons?

0:29:200:29:23

Were they his fly buttons for example, which would have

0:29:230:29:26

been, you know - the fly would have been buttoned in this period,

0:29:260:29:30

so there's the kind of silliness of the sound of that language,

0:29:300:29:35

but there's also the sense of, maybe,

0:29:350:29:39

the Widow Twankey caused her husband to die

0:29:390:29:41

because of her excessive demands on him, and, you know,

0:29:410:29:45

he's just decided it's easier to give up the ghost

0:29:450:29:48

and pop off and die!

0:29:480:29:50

As Widow Twankey and other dames took centre stage,

0:29:520:29:56

pantomime became ever more extravagant and lavish.

0:29:560:30:00

It was now the family Christmas treat.

0:30:000:30:03

And the family wanted a spectacle they'd never forget.

0:30:030:30:08

Under the guiding genius of manager Augustus Harris,

0:30:080:30:12

nowhere did it bigger and better than Drury Lane.

0:30:120:30:16

He installed the latest technology, and amazingly it's still in place.

0:30:160:30:21

Mark Fox is taking me behind the scenes.

0:30:210:30:24

OK, we're coming under the stage of the Theatre Royal Drury Lane now,

0:30:240:30:27

and of course Drury Lane was built for spectacle -

0:30:270:30:30

it was famous for spectacle.

0:30:300:30:32

Really grand front of house, lovely place for audiences to come to,

0:30:320:30:35

but the managers wanted to create as spectacular productions as they can.

0:30:350:30:39

This was all cutting-edge technology,

0:30:390:30:41

this was the most expensive kit that could possibly be installed

0:30:410:30:44

at the time, and they're hydraulic rams, they're all operated by water,

0:30:440:30:48

and there are four of them, but they all work independently,

0:30:480:30:51

so not only could that actually lift the stage up 12 feet high,

0:30:510:30:56

and lower it right down to the bottom level, but because they

0:30:560:30:59

work independently, one could go up and the other side could go down.

0:30:590:31:03

All designed to get 2,300 people

0:31:030:31:05

sitting out there in the auditorium to go "Wow!"

0:31:050:31:09

The sheer ambition of these sets is breathtaking.

0:31:120:31:17

Used for melodramas and pantomimes,

0:31:180:31:21

this technology pushed special effects to new heights.

0:31:210:31:24

So you could sink a ship, you could have an earthquake,

0:31:270:31:30

you could have something rocking from side to side.

0:31:300:31:33

It turned the whole pantomime experience into something enormous.

0:31:330:31:37

It's like Sam Goldwyn said of one of his movies,

0:31:370:31:40

-"I want it to start with an earthquake and build up to a climax!"

-Indeed, exactly that,

0:31:400:31:45

and Augustus Harris would have agreed with him, wholeheartedly.

0:31:450:31:48

Augustus Harris spent a fortune on these pantomimes,

0:31:480:31:52

but he knew how to turn a profit.

0:31:520:31:54

I notice from some of the programmes I've seen from the period,

0:31:540:31:57

there are advertisements in it.

0:31:570:31:59

-Vital. Product placement was...

-In the show?

0:31:590:32:02

It wasn't just in the programmes - it would be in the show.

0:32:020:32:06

And you would have sets that would actually have -

0:32:060:32:09

you'd have a street scene or a shop,

0:32:090:32:11

and there would be product placement on there, you'd have Fry's Chocolate Cream,

0:32:110:32:14

or you'd have the gin that was being sold front-of-house.

0:32:140:32:17

I wonder what the critics made of this vulgarisation of the theatre.

0:32:170:32:21

Funnily enough, I just happen to have one that I can read to you,

0:32:210:32:25

so this is an excerpt from a review in The Star.

0:32:250:32:28

And it says, "The Drury Lane pantomime is a symbol of our nation.

0:32:280:32:32

"It is the biggest thing of its kind in the world.

0:32:320:32:35

"It is a prodigal of money, of invention,

0:32:350:32:37

"of splendour, of men and women, but it is without

0:32:370:32:41

"the sense of beauty or the restraining influence of taste.

0:32:410:32:44

"Only a great nation could have done such a thing.

0:32:440:32:47

"Only an undisciplined nation WOULD have done it".

0:32:470:32:52

MUSIC: God Save The Queen

0:32:520:32:54

The audience for a typical Victorian pantomime was probably

0:32:560:33:00

a cross-section of Britain - people of all shapes, ages,

0:33:000:33:04

sizes and classes attended.

0:33:040:33:05

It was the Boxing Day entertainment, and it was eagerly awaited.

0:33:070:33:13

So you have this example of a pantomime audience in 1852 -

0:33:130:33:18

"The pit was crammed to suffocation, oranges too were eaten

0:33:180:33:22

"with their customary eagerness and the skins flung upon the heads

0:33:220:33:26

"of the persons in the pit, who sought to return the courtesy.

0:33:260:33:29

"Stand-up fights there were, too, among the occupants of the upper regions,

0:33:290:33:33

"but on the whole, the audience behaved very decently for a Christmas audience."

0:33:330:33:37

What were they like when they were rowdy, I wonder?

0:33:380:33:42

Today's pantomime audiences may not get into fisticuffs,

0:33:420:33:45

but they share one thing in common with their Victorian counterparts.

0:33:450:33:49

They're attracted to the theatre to see celebs.

0:33:490:33:53

This is a trend started a century ago by our old friend Augustus Harris.

0:33:530:33:59

He found that he could bring in huge crowds by booking the most popular

0:33:590:34:02

music hall stars of the day.

0:34:020:34:04

Augustus Harris was known as old Druriolanus.

0:34:040:34:08

He brought Marie Lloyd into pantomime, put her

0:34:080:34:12

into Humpty-Dumpty and he brought Dan Leno to national prominence.

0:34:120:34:17

There are two names in the annals of pantomime that stand out

0:34:170:34:21

from the crowd, that come forward to take their bow -

0:34:210:34:24

Joseph Grimaldi and Dan Leno.

0:34:240:34:27

So, Dan Leno was a huge music hall star. He danced, he sang, he told jokes.

0:34:270:34:32

Nobody can quite tell you why he was the funniest man on earth -

0:34:320:34:35

they always come back to the eyes, and I think that must be because,

0:34:350:34:39

it's clear from the pictures of him that he played the whole house.

0:34:390:34:42

Looking, as it were, as if the world had beaten him down,

0:34:420:34:45

but he was still there.

0:34:450:34:47

So, he would come on - small, dainty, diminutive,

0:34:470:34:50

doing it all with the eyes, little movements, he is the put-upon woman.

0:34:500:34:54

He comes on playing Widow Twankey, any of the great female characters,

0:34:540:34:58

and it is, a housewife, checked long frock, apron, exaggerated, wig.

0:34:580:35:05

And if you are a pantomime dame, you know, 2013, 2014 -

0:35:050:35:10

rest assured, Dan Leno made you what you are.

0:35:100:35:13

-Do you like the frock?

-Yes!

0:35:130:35:15

Peacocks, Acomb branch. Buy one, get one free!

0:35:150:35:20

This is the free one!

0:35:200:35:21

Dan Leno is the Dame's Dame, revered by all who followed in his footsteps.

0:35:230:35:29

Among them was one of the twentieth century's great dames, Douglas Byng,

0:35:290:35:33

who had appeared in over thirty pantomimes.

0:35:330:35:36

Here's what he had to say about the great Dan Leno.

0:35:360:35:40

When we talk about pantomime dames as played by a man,

0:35:400:35:44

we immediately think of the greatest dame of all time, Dan Leno,

0:35:440:35:47

who started playing the dame a hundred years ago, and really,

0:35:470:35:52

ever since then, the dame's been played along those lines.

0:35:520:35:56

He was brilliant, of course.

0:35:560:35:58

But he really was the sort of model for all the dames since.

0:35:580:36:03

The story of the dame is a story of changing social attitudes.

0:36:050:36:09

The dame is a kind of weather vane.

0:36:090:36:12

But though she may blow with the wind,

0:36:120:36:14

there are parts of her that never, ever change.

0:36:140:36:18

A dame should be definitely a man.

0:36:180:36:21

And the audience should know he's a man.

0:36:210:36:23

And the kids in the audience should know he's a man.

0:36:230:36:26

I go on as Arthur Askey, with a hired wig,

0:36:260:36:29

and a hired frock and play me.

0:36:290:36:32

Do you think men laugh as much at the dame character as the women do?

0:36:320:36:37

Yes, but not - how do I put this?

0:36:370:36:41

If a dame makes a man uncomfortable in the audience, forget it.

0:36:410:36:44

-You're in trouble.

-You're really in trouble.

0:36:440:36:46

A dame must appeal to all age groups and every section of that audience.

0:36:460:36:53

The audience will accept you as a woman.

0:36:530:36:56

Not your day, is it, sir?

0:36:560:36:57

LAUGHTER

0:36:570:36:58

You look a bit shocked.

0:37:000:37:01

Is this the first time you've ever smelt Paco Rabanne on a woman?

0:37:010:37:04

LAUGHTER

0:37:040:37:06

But your attitude on stage is a feminine attitude, is it not?

0:37:060:37:11

-Yes, you...

-It's a point of view.

0:37:110:37:13

..you do not send women up, you do not do that.

0:37:130:37:15

You fight for women's causes, and everything you say is as a woman.

0:37:160:37:22

When you tell the story as a fella you do it your own way

0:37:220:37:24

and in your own sort of kind of casual or whatever way you tell your story.

0:37:240:37:28

But if you tell it as a dame,

0:37:280:37:30

you then have to use three movements, most important -

0:37:300:37:33

one is there, two is there, and three, at the tag is, there.

0:37:330:37:37

So you tell your story. You say, "But did you...?"

0:37:370:37:40

And suddenly you're playing a dame.

0:37:400:37:42

The right gestures, an outrageous frock, and hey presto, you're a dame.

0:37:440:37:48

How hard can it be?

0:37:510:37:52

In the 1970s, pantomime could attract the biggest names.

0:37:550:38:00

Stars like Richard Briers.

0:38:000:38:02

His hit series, The Good Life,

0:38:020:38:04

attracted audiences of up to 20 million in its heyday.

0:38:040:38:07

MIMICS JAMES CAGNEY: OK, shweethearts, nobody moves.

0:38:070:38:11

Then one fateful day, pantomime came calling.

0:38:150:38:19

Close your eyes.

0:38:190:38:20

GUNSHOT

0:38:230:38:24

Your agent rings you and says, "We've had an offer for pantomime."

0:38:240:38:28

You said, "That's very interesting." And then he said,

0:38:280:38:30

"The good news is they want you to play dame." How did you react?

0:38:300:38:33

Well, I mean just laughed.

0:38:330:38:35

The whole thing was laughter. I don't do that kind of thing.

0:38:350:38:38

I don't do variety.

0:38:380:38:40

I'm just an actor.

0:38:400:38:42

Stepping into what is essentially a vaudeville environment

0:38:420:38:46

is quite a big step, isn't it?

0:38:460:38:48

Yes, very much, very much, and you have to be funny.

0:38:480:38:52

And I mean I was with a guy called Bobby Bennett

0:38:520:38:56

and he said, "You know you've got to do the balloons."

0:38:560:38:59

I said, "I'm sorry?" He said, "The balloons, you've got to do the balloons

0:38:590:39:03

"and then you've gotta make them into dogs, cats."

0:39:030:39:06

I said, "I can't do that very well at all."

0:39:070:39:10

He thought, "He can't do anything. He's an idiot. What is he doing?

0:39:100:39:14

"He gets the most money than we do, more money than we do,

0:39:140:39:18

"and he's got the billing."

0:39:180:39:20

I thought, well, you know, you've got to be...

0:39:200:39:22

You're supposed to be a butch dame, you know, and I couldn't do that.

0:39:220:39:25

But the whole thing was very... it was a very, worried me.

0:39:250:39:28

-You didn't enjoy it?

-No.

0:39:280:39:30

Not so easy after all.

0:39:320:39:34

So how have the great dames of the 20th century approached the role?

0:39:380:39:43

How do they get the audience to love them?

0:39:430:39:45

When I played Mother Goose,

0:39:500:39:51

that's when I really started to think more about technique.

0:39:510:39:55

And I would stop and say, no, no. An old woman wouldn't do it that way.

0:39:550:39:59

An old woman wouldn't speak that way.

0:39:590:40:01

Or a kind old woman wouldn't do that.

0:40:010:40:04

Then I suppose I was getting a little bit more like my mother.

0:40:040:40:10

Everybody has their own way of playing it.

0:40:100:40:12

I play it like my mother.

0:40:120:40:14

She said, "Oh, well, I've got a simulated mink in the cupboard."

0:40:140:40:20

Or, "Your father, he stays in bed all day long on is dunnylumpoma."

0:40:200:40:26

Which I thought was... I get all those things, I'm not going to tell you

0:40:260:40:31

too many things otherwise, you know, you'll be playing dame yourself.

0:40:310:40:35

It got nearer and nearer and like my person of my mother.

0:40:350:40:39

Ah.

0:40:390:40:40

And so she was slightly snobbish, and so I began more and more

0:40:400:40:46

and more - which I am a little bit I suppose - a bit sort of,

0:40:460:40:49

"Hello, Mother, where are you?" And it would get more and posh.

0:40:490:40:54

And "Come along, dears, off to bed." So it wasn't very butch at all,

0:40:540:40:59

which I prefer the man to be very butch as a dame, I think it's right.

0:40:590:41:04

But in order to get through it you found that by, sort of playing Mum...

0:41:040:41:08

-Yes.

-And did people laugh?

0:41:080:41:11

Not a lot, but...I did my best.

0:41:110:41:15

Terry Scott was also a TV favourite,

0:41:200:41:22

starring in the 1970s sitcom Terry and June.

0:41:220:41:26

It says we owe £58.49.

0:41:290:41:31

-That's what

-they

-say.

0:41:310:41:33

Well, how much have they over-charged us?

0:41:330:41:35

12p.

0:41:350:41:36

LAUGHTER

0:41:360:41:37

-12p?

-Yes.

0:41:380:41:40

It's hard to believe that this dull character in a beige cardigan

0:41:400:41:45

and his glorious dame are one and the same.

0:41:450:41:47

It's the principle of the thing.

0:41:470:41:49

In a revealing interview in 1982,

0:41:490:41:52

he explained how he found the dame within.

0:41:520:41:54

My dame is an extension of myself.

0:41:570:42:00

Most people, a lot of people realise that they're male

0:42:000:42:03

and female inside them.

0:42:030:42:04

And yet my degree of femininity is higher

0:42:040:42:08

than a lot of real sort of aggressive butch men.

0:42:080:42:11

And I suppose that is why the dame comes reasonably easy to me.

0:42:110:42:15

LAUGHTER

0:42:160:42:17

Wheeee!

0:42:170:42:19

When they see this man being a bit of a woman, it's all right.

0:42:230:42:28

It releases possibly some of their feelings of, "Oh dear,

0:42:280:42:31

"sometimes I feel a bit womanish," without being peculiar.

0:42:310:42:35

The more you look at the dame, the more fascinating she gets.

0:42:380:42:42

It's interesting to me that the tradition of cross-dressing

0:42:420:42:45

-in order to make an audience laugh is very much a male preserve.

-Yes.

0:42:450:42:51

Why do you think that might be?

0:42:510:42:53

Even today, you don't laugh

0:42:530:42:56

if a woman gets bucket of water thrown over her.

0:42:560:42:58

I think it's because women are more grown up than men.

0:42:580:43:03

Women are not as silly as men.

0:43:030:43:06

Women have more gravitas than men.

0:43:070:43:11

And if women appear silly,

0:43:110:43:14

they lose their authority, and a man can be silly and fall over

0:43:140:43:20

and still retain a modicum of authority.

0:43:200:43:22

Silly men are part of our culture,

0:43:260:43:29

and because, in the rest of life,

0:43:290:43:31

men are expected to be grown up, whereas we're not, actually.

0:43:310:43:34

RAUNCHY STRIPPER MUSIC

0:43:390:43:41

Terry's Scott's strip. Pure genius.

0:44:290:44:32

Proof, if you need it, that there really is nothing like a dame.

0:44:320:44:36

Post-war, the most dazzling dames were

0:44:460:44:48

appearing at the London Palladium.

0:44:480:44:50

My dad, Leslie Grade, produced a lot of these shows and looking back now

0:44:550:44:59

at the cast lists, they read like a Who's Who of British entertainment.

0:44:590:45:03

Starting right at the beginning with Val Parnell,

0:45:050:45:07

I mean, they'd be headlined by Tommy Trinder, those big comedians

0:45:070:45:10

of the day, then you'd work through everybody. So, Bruce Forsyth,

0:45:100:45:15

Bernard Breslaw, the big names,

0:45:150:45:16

Sidney James appeared in pantomime, Peter Sellers...

0:45:160:45:19

Tommy Steele, Engelbert Humperdink in Robinson Crusoe

0:45:190:45:22

singing There Goes My Everything as the ship went down.

0:45:220:45:25

And the later stages it was the big Saturday night variety names, so,

0:45:250:45:29

Leslie Crowther, Terry Scott, Cilla Black, Cliff Richard and the Shadows.

0:45:290:45:33

Pantomime has always been market savvy and in the 1960s

0:45:350:45:39

it reached out to the growing teenage market.

0:45:390:45:42

Cliff and the Shadows appeared alongside dames like Terry Scott

0:45:420:45:45

and Arthur Askey.

0:45:450:45:46

You've got to move with the times and these days

0:45:490:45:52

with the pop singers, if you put a pop singer in as principal boy,

0:45:520:45:57

it must be a success, it's got to be a success with the teenagers.

0:45:570:46:03

Those pantomimes were big expensive productions,

0:46:030:46:07

so a lot of money invested in them getting the biggest stars again

0:46:070:46:10

to attract the biggest audience, all the television names,

0:46:100:46:13

they became very, very expensive

0:46:130:46:17

and to try and make your money back in that limited 12-week period,

0:46:170:46:22

in the West End, is not easy.

0:46:220:46:24

You also had the product placement, of course,

0:46:240:46:26

so I think 1976, the Cinderella, they'd just revamped

0:46:260:46:30

the Sugar Puffs, so the Honey Monster appeared for the first time.

0:46:300:46:34

I can top that - we did Cinderella one year

0:46:340:46:37

and we had an act from Las Vegas, an animal act, an elephant,

0:46:370:46:40

Tanya the Adorable Elephant,

0:46:400:46:42

and there was a big sign on the stage that Tanya flew to the palace on TWA.

0:46:420:46:48

But the biggest and most glamorous dame of this period was not

0:46:520:46:55

Tanya the adorable elephant, it was, of course, Danny La Rue.

0:46:550:46:59

Wotcha, mates!

0:47:020:47:04

CHEERING

0:47:040:47:05

# Jolly good luck to the girl who loves a soldier

0:47:050:47:10

# Girls, have you been there? #

0:47:100:47:12

Danny broke the Dan Leno mould of men in frocks.

0:47:120:47:17

He was a one-off, a gorgeous plumed creature, more duchess than dame.

0:47:170:47:22

Danny took the panto dame in a different direction.

0:47:240:47:27

And his costumes ended up in the V&A archives.

0:47:280:47:31

Now what is this you're showing us?

0:47:330:47:35

This is one of two...

0:47:350:47:37

It's not yours, is it, not one you brought from home?

0:47:370:47:40

No!

0:47:400:47:41

This is one of two frocks we've got,

0:47:420:47:45

of, of course the glamorous Danny la Rue.

0:47:450:47:49

Ah, Mother Goose. Wonderful, look at this embroidery.

0:47:490:47:53

Fantastic.

0:47:530:47:54

You've got the little goslings.

0:47:540:47:56

So with this frock, you've got your egg handbag.

0:47:560:48:01

MICHAEL LAUGHS

0:48:010:48:03

Beautifully done. Look, look, with a gold satin lining.

0:48:030:48:08

Isn't that wonderful?

0:48:080:48:09

What every woman wants.

0:48:090:48:11

And then the hat.

0:48:110:48:12

Now the hat's even got a surprise in it.

0:48:120:48:16

Whether many people, apart from those

0:48:160:48:18

right at the front of the stalls could have appreciated this.

0:48:180:48:22

There we go.

0:48:220:48:23

Oh, the wings move!

0:48:230:48:24

And the beaks.

0:48:240:48:26

MICHAEL LAUGHS

0:48:260:48:27

That's a work of art, isn't it?

0:48:270:48:30

All... All to get a laugh.

0:48:300:48:31

Here's Danny wearing it. There it is. Look, isn't that wonderful?

0:48:330:48:36

He was a female impersonator who made the transition to playing dame.

0:48:360:48:40

There are pantomime dames who didn't like what Danny la Rue did

0:48:400:48:43

because they just made him a beautiful woman,

0:48:430:48:46

and someone like Arthur Askey always said, you ought to

0:48:460:48:50

believe that there are trousers underneath this frock.

0:48:500:48:54

Danny la Rue, great female impersonator,

0:48:540:48:57

when he first came into pantomime, really didn't quite get

0:48:570:49:01

the measure of it, because he came on looking far too glamorous.

0:49:010:49:04

-Wanted to be glamorous.

-He needed to be glamorous, that was his calling card.

0:49:040:49:08

It was only when he was of riper years that he

0:49:080:49:10

turned into a figure who could be a successful pantomime dame.

0:49:100:49:14

While pantomime brought in talent from TV,

0:49:160:49:19

by the 1970s, TV was borrowing the pantomime dame.

0:49:190:49:24

Take Dick Emery's character, the charming Mandy.

0:49:240:49:26

Excuse me.

0:49:270:49:28

-Here's a charming young lady.

-Oh, thank you.

0:49:280:49:31

May I ask you, miss,

0:49:310:49:32

is there any particular day that stands out in your memory.

0:49:320:49:35

Oh, yes, one awful day,

0:49:350:49:37

when I got back home and found a burglar in my flat.

0:49:370:49:40

It was dreadful.

0:49:400:49:41

Oh, dear, did he rummage through your drawers?

0:49:410:49:44

LAUGHTER

0:49:440:49:45

I mean did he manage to lay his hands on your best bits and pieces?

0:49:460:49:48

LAUGHTER

0:49:480:49:50

Oh, you're awful, awful,

0:49:500:49:52

but I like you.

0:49:520:49:53

And two of my favourite cross-dressers are Les Dawson

0:50:000:50:03

and Roy Barraclough, playing Cissie and Ada.

0:50:030:50:07

I was just thinking you looked a trifle wan.

0:50:080:50:11

Well, let's face it, you know, I am at a funny age.

0:50:110:50:14

I wouldn't tell another living soul this, of course.

0:50:150:50:18

I'm approaching the change.

0:50:200:50:22

LAUGHTER

0:50:220:50:23

Approaching the change? From which direction.

0:50:250:50:29

LAUGHTER

0:50:290:50:30

The dame has come a long way

0:50:360:50:37

since John Rich staged the first pantomime in the 18th century.

0:50:370:50:42

This corner of London has seen a fantastic cast list

0:50:420:50:45

of harlequins, clowns, actors, all culminating, of course, in the dame.

0:50:450:50:50

Well she's now departed the West End stage.

0:50:500:50:53

The last pantomime at the Palladium was produced back in 1986.

0:50:530:50:58

She may have left the theatre district,

0:50:580:51:00

but she's alive and well in another part of the city.

0:51:000:51:03

This is Stratford in London's East End,

0:51:030:51:05

just a stone's throw from the Olympic Stadium.

0:51:050:51:08

I've come to the Theatre Royal, to see how pantomime looks today,

0:51:080:51:13

and how they manage to appeal to an audience drawn from one

0:51:130:51:16

of the most culturally diverse populations in the whole country.

0:51:160:51:20

This year they're doing Cinderella and they haven't got one dame,

0:51:200:51:24

they've got three.

0:51:240:51:25

I think what we try and do here, because of the diversity of our audience,

0:51:300:51:33

is take all those stock elements,

0:51:330:51:35

and try and keep them as relevant and as modern

0:51:350:51:38

as we can, and that's where we try, that's how we try and keep it fresh.

0:51:380:51:41

I will look the best, won't I?

0:51:410:51:43

AUDIENCE: No!

0:51:430:51:45

Oh, yes, I will!

0:51:450:51:47

Oh, no, you won't!

0:51:470:51:49

Oh, yes, I will!

0:51:490:51:51

Oh, no, you won't!

0:51:510:51:52

Who will have you, when they can have this picture

0:51:520:51:55

of perfection before your very eyes, with all of this, and all of this?

0:51:550:52:01

You know I'm sexy, ain't I?

0:52:010:52:03

Did you just say "Eurgh"?

0:52:030:52:05

-Yes!

-You know, I never liked you lot! Shut up.

0:52:050:52:08

The pantomime dame is significant to kind of all our audience

0:52:080:52:12

because she/he is anarchic.

0:52:120:52:14

SHE/HE YELLS

0:52:140:52:16

there's a grit to them, there's a passion to them,

0:52:180:52:21

there's raw desire,

0:52:210:52:22

and everyone recognises that, no matter where you're from.

0:52:220:52:26

And that's kind of why they will work in front of any kind of audience.

0:52:260:52:30

I have worked hard to get where I am today, marrying your father.

0:52:300:52:34

For many people in the UK, pantomime is their only experience of theatre.

0:52:340:52:38

And that's reflected in the numbers that come to Stratford.

0:52:400:52:44

More people come to our panto than anything else.

0:52:440:52:46

We get about over 33,000 people each year coming to it,

0:52:460:52:49

and it's a programme where you'll get all

0:52:490:52:52

the generations coming and it's one of your biggest earners too.

0:52:520:52:55

-Do you like my dress?

-Yes!

0:52:550:52:56

Do you think I should wear it tonight?

0:52:560:52:58

And Kerry follows another convention that harks back to

0:52:580:53:01

the Victorian era.

0:53:010:53:03

Panto sponsorship is possibly the easiest thing you can sponsor in a season.

0:53:030:53:08

Thank you.

0:53:080:53:10

And this year we were able to get a shopping centre, Gallion's Reach,

0:53:100:53:13

to sponsor this year's panto, and we'll build on that year on year.

0:53:130:53:17

Yes, I am a Gallion's Reach girl. Are you?

0:53:170:53:20

Oh, and coincidentally,

0:53:220:53:24

Gallion's Reach happen to be sponsors of this year's panto.

0:53:240:53:28

CAST EXCLAIM

0:53:280:53:30

You, you, what's your name? Buttocks,

0:53:300:53:34

come with us, we shall need some extra hands to carry all our purchases.

0:53:340:53:37

Carry your own!

0:53:370:53:39

Meanwhile, at York they take a different approach to

0:53:430:53:46

the commercial break.

0:53:460:53:47

Now it's Newky and Wagon Wheels time!

0:53:470:53:50

It's become a traditional part of the show

0:53:500:53:53

and a much loved one at that.

0:53:530:53:55

They chuck chocolate into the audience and hand out a beer.

0:53:550:53:59

The sponsorship for our pantomime is not financial.

0:54:010:54:04

We don't get a huge cheque from anybody for our pantomime

0:54:040:54:07

and we don't mention anybody's name because they've given us money to put the pantomime on.

0:54:070:54:12

They get lobbed out into the audience

0:54:120:54:14

and people desperately want to catch a Wagon Wheel.

0:54:140:54:17

It's just funny and it's a really exciting part of the panto.

0:54:170:54:22

And giving them Newcastle Brown Ale, is very much

0:54:220:54:26

something about the fact that Berwick's a Geordie in Yorkshire.

0:54:260:54:30

It's kind of like a gift from his home, his home region to Yorkshire.

0:54:300:54:37

And to that extent it doesn't ever really feel like sponsorship,

0:54:370:54:41

it feels as if it's just a part of the show.

0:54:410:54:43

It represents something that's never-changing.

0:54:460:54:49

It's very clear what it is to people and they love it.

0:54:490:54:52

And it's great fun, you laugh a lot when you come to the pantomime.

0:54:520:54:55

TS Eliot had this wonderful line about the security of known

0:54:570:55:00

relationships, and I think one of the reasons that pantomime

0:55:000:55:03

is this enduring British tradition is that it is part of our DNA.

0:55:030:55:08

It has never exported itself successfully

0:55:080:55:11

beyond the British Empire. It is something that we understand.

0:55:110:55:15

It's like bread and butter pudding.

0:55:150:55:17

I mean, it is something that for us, you know,

0:55:170:55:19

other people would think revolting, but we understand it, we know

0:55:190:55:22

what it's about, we understand pantomime, we know the rules.

0:55:220:55:25

What I've always loved about pantomime,

0:55:250:55:27

is the strength of the story and the moral aspect of it,

0:55:270:55:32

and the fact that the dame was allowed to do absolutely anything, really.

0:55:320:55:39

She was motherly, kind, foolish, fallible...

0:55:390:55:45

-Flirtatious.

-Flirtatious,

0:55:450:55:47

disciplined, silly...um, and strong.

0:55:470:55:53

A dame is outrageous, a dame never really offends anybody.

0:55:530:55:59

A dame should be vulgar, beautifully vulgar.

0:55:590:56:02

And I love the dame's vulgarity.

0:56:020:56:05

As a dame I think Berwick is very much a bloke in a frock.

0:56:070:56:11

It goes I think to the heart of what pantomime is because it's,

0:56:150:56:18

it's somehow or other it's about, misrule,

0:56:180:56:22

the notion of Twelfth Night.

0:56:220:56:23

Everything's the wrong way round all of a sudden.

0:56:230:56:26

There's a relationship to be had between him as dame

0:56:260:56:30

and the audience, which is very familiar,

0:56:300:56:32

and in the role of the dame he is allowed to have that special relationship.

0:56:320:56:37

I've had my name over West End theatres, and the titles,

0:56:390:56:42

but I would never take an 18-month contract,

0:56:420:56:45

because it interfered with pantomime.

0:56:450:56:47

Everything has revolved around, for the last 30-odd years,

0:56:470:56:52

around this York pantomime.

0:56:520:56:54

And for that, his fans are truly grateful.

0:56:570:57:00

Imagining the York pantomime without Berwick is something

0:57:020:57:05

we don't actually like to think about.

0:57:050:57:07

Oh, Berwick is absolutely wonderful.

0:57:070:57:09

He actually makes the show. I mean, we know he writes it

0:57:090:57:12

and he directs it, but he is just a superman.

0:57:120:57:16

Berwick's now in his 33rd year as dame.

0:57:180:57:20

Let's work this out, that's over 2,000 shows

0:57:210:57:25

and more than 30,000 costume changes.

0:57:250:57:28

Surely it's starting to lose its appeal by now.

0:57:280:57:31

-Do you still love it?

-Love it!

0:57:310:57:34

-Can't wait to get the dress on?

-Can't...

0:57:340:57:37

I can't, and it's not a dress.

0:57:370:57:40

-A frock.

-It's not a frock.

0:57:400:57:42

-It's a frock.

-It's not drag.

-It's a costume.

0:57:420:57:44

It's a costume, thank you.

0:57:440:57:46

Very good.

0:57:460:57:47

Well, if Berwick ever does retire, I might just know someone

0:57:490:57:52

who can step into his shoes, and his costumes.

0:57:520:57:55

Being transformed into a dame, however briefly, has given me

0:58:000:58:04

a glimpse of what makes her tick.

0:58:040:58:06

She's ridiculous, absurd, vain, subversive and rude.

0:58:060:58:12

But she's always game, and she's always warm,

0:58:120:58:15

and always, always, uniquely British.

0:58:150:58:18

Our world would be so much poorer without her.

0:58:180:58:22

# There is nothin' like a dame

0:58:220:58:25

# Nothin' in the world

0:58:250:58:29

# There is nothin' you can name

0:58:290:58:32

# That is anything like a dame... #

0:58:320:58:35

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