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Tonight, we present for your entertainment, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
the most gregarious, the most garrulous, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
the most glorious creature in the history of British theatre. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:19 | |
Gorgeous! | 0:00:19 | 0:00:20 | |
150 years old, and in the rudest of health, ladies and gentlemen, | 0:00:20 | 0:00:26 | |
we give you the primped, the powdered, the most phantasmagorical - | 0:00:26 | 0:00:32 | |
the pantomime dame! | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
What do you think? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
Very attractive woman, if I don't mind saying so myself! | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
The history of pantomime is as colourful | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
and flamboyant as the dames who eventually took centre stage. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
From John Rich, who made a fortune from pantomime in the 18th century... | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
What a showman! | 0:01:01 | 0:01:02 | |
..to a contemporary and streetwise ugly sister. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
-You know I'm sexy, ain't I? -No! | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
But what the earliest and most modern pantomimes | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
have in common is a world of delightful disorder. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
It's about misrule. Everything's the wrong way round all of a sudden. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
And at the very centre of it all is the dame. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
She is the queen of misrule, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
and she's been played by the greatest comedians of stage and screen. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
You've got to have eyes that can say everything, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
and knees that make you laugh. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
If you haven't got funny knees - forget it! | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
# The wonderful pantomime dame, why do you make us so laugh like you do? | 0:01:46 | 0:01:54 | |
# Does she remind you of old Aunty Glad? | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
# Or was it your nanny, or even your dad? | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
# Whatever the reason, we laugh just the same | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
# At the wonderful pantomime dame. # | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
As if you hadn't guessed, that was yours truly, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
dressed as a woman for the first and last time, I promise! | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
It's funny, you put on the dress, all the make-up and the wig, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
and you step out onto the stage a dame. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
Not a man. Not a woman. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
But a powerful character, the heart and soul of pantomime. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
Go to bed! | 0:02:37 | 0:02:38 | |
She's motherly, flirtatious and vain. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
Outrageous, anarchic, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
and I love her! | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
Now, I can remember my first pantomime, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
sitting in the wings on a bucket at Finsbury Park Empire, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
watching my Aunt Kathy as principal boy. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
But the thing that really captivated me - she was very good - | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
but the thing that really captivated me was the pantomime dame. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
The comedy, the outrageous power of that character, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
the communication with the audience. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
Make-up time. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:21 | |
So what it is it about this great British institution | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
that still pulls in the crowds? | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
Done, dusted. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:29 | |
Why has she survived and thrived for so long? | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
I've come to York to meet the doyenne of modern pantomime dames. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
He's a living local legend and his name is Berwick Kaler. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
They queue for hours as soon as the tickets go on sale, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
and he's played dame here for over 30 years. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
He is indeed the first lady of modern pantomime. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
For 33 years, Berwick has written the annual pantomime | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
and appeared as the dame. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
This year he's called it The York Family Robinson. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
Every year it's a fresh and topical script. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
But, the first words he utters on stage are sacred. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
They never change. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
I utter four banal words. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
If I cough before I said these four words, the audience would be aghast! | 0:04:30 | 0:04:36 | |
Me babbies, me bairns! | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
And it puts everyone at ease. The family's back together again. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
-Nothing's changed. -The family's back together. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
-Have you missed us? -Yes! -We've missed you, I tell you. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
-Have you brought your sense of humour with you? -Yes! | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
Oh, You're going to need it! | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
He'll stand on stage and he will look the whole house | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
and within seconds, everybody feels he's said hello to them, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
almost individually, and it's a fantastic ability to be | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
able to do that and just take everybody in, really quickly. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
Anybody who wants to make a rush for the door, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
you've got three seconds, one, two, three. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
DOORS SLAM SHUT | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
Too late! | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
You're all mine, and what a show we've got for you. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
Five minutes of solid entertainment crammed into six and a half hours. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:33 | |
All I wanted to be was a Shakespearean actor, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
and I was getting these pantomimes. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
When I first started here we were doing panto scripts | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
that had been round the country, you know... | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
-Stock, the stock... -Stock pantomimes. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
And, I just thought, no, this is not acceptable. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
-This is just conning the public. -No originality, no identification with the community. -No. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:59 | |
-It could have been... -Anywhere, any town. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
Anywhere in the UK, anywhere in the UK. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
And then the next year, the director said, "Well, why don't you just write it?" | 0:06:05 | 0:06:11 | |
-And you enjoy writing it? -I love it, I love it, I love it. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
-Hi, Ma! Did you want something? -Yeah, look at these. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
-Are those bills? -No, they're mine! | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
The writer Max Beerbohm said that pantomime was the only art form invented by the British. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:30 | |
That's a slight exaggeration, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
but by absorbing the theatrical conventions and traditions | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
of other nations, we have made it quintessentially British. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
The plot is always very simple, the girl dressed as a boy, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
who's the son of a man dressed as a woman. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
There's a man dressed as a woman, who has a son played by a girl, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
who's dressed as a boy, who falls in love with a girl who is a girl, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:03 | |
and they're helped out by two people dressed as an animal. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
Try explaining that to our American cousins! | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
Big hello to the third year Shakespeare students... | 0:07:12 | 0:07:18 | |
..from Connecticut, America. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
They have never seen a panto before | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
They still haven't! | 0:07:28 | 0:07:29 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
This is Covent Garden, a great place to see street entertainers. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
And it's piazzas like this one that saw the start of pantomime | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
and the pantomime dame. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
Our story begins in the sixteenth century, in the streets | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
and marketplaces of France and Italy, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
with the tradition of Commedia dell'Arte, a sort of improvised | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
comedies with a group of characters who are endlessly satirised. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
Audiences were entranced by the comedy, the cross-dressing, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:12 | |
and the mayhem of Commedia and pantomime still entrances audiences, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
and professors of theatre studies! | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
The origins of pantomime in Britain start with the importation | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
of Italian performers from the Commedia dell'Arte. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
It's a typical structure of comedy - | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
young lovers being thwarted by the older generation, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
having to get their way by all sorts of tricks. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
And you have the famous Commedia characters, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
the Harlequin, the Pantaloon, the Columbine, and those gradually | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
merge into a British version of the pantomime. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:52 | |
The performance of Commedia in mask was actually generally a half mask, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:57 | |
so that the mouth was free but the top of the face was | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
characterised in a usually very exaggerated way. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
They're human and recognisable but also not quite human | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
and recognisable. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:10 | |
And today's traditional dame make-up - for example, the very high | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
arched eyebrows the often very white face, acts as a kind of mask. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
It's extraordinary, but this is where the change starts, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:30 | |
just by putting on the make-up, because I find myself, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
when I'm looking at myself, smiling more like a woman than a man. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:39 | |
There's an old saying - | 0:09:39 | 0:09:40 | |
"What the Lord has forgotten, we stuff with cotton." | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
And now I stand on the side of the stage, take a deep breath | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
and I hear the music and as soon as I've heard three bars of the music | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
# Da-da, di diddle dee-dee... # | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
I'm on! We're there. I'm a dame. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
I think it's that level of absurdity and almost grotesque humour, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
that takes us right back to Commedia dell'Arte. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
And we can see the same kind of humour in this remarkable silent film. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
It's called Le Pied de Mouton, and it is essentially a pantomime. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
It follows the dramatic form that would have been entirely familiar | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
to theatre audiences in the eighteenth century. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
Here are the young lovers, Harlequin and Columbine. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
But there's trouble ahead. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
Here comes Columbine's father to thwart their plans. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
He wants Columbine to marry the rich fool, dressed as a clown. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
The characters and the plot are timeless | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
and we know that love will conquer all. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
In between there's magic and slapstick, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
elements that remain to this day. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
Right. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:08 | |
Oh, no! | 0:11:10 | 0:11:11 | |
Aw, what a nasty accident! | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
So in the eighteenth century, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
pantomime is starting to acquire the elements that we recognise today. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
Slapstick. And transformation scenes. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
But one ingredient was missing. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
# What ain't we got? We ain't got dames. # | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
in the eighteenth century there weren't dames as such | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
in the way that we'd recognise them now, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
but there have always been men dressing up as women, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
generally women who are much older - they're not playing young females, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
they're playing the mothers. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
The nurse role in Romeo and Juliet, for example, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
I think is part of that comic, much more bawdy comic tradition. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:59 | |
This is the heart of London's theatre district. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
Behind me the Royal Opera House, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
just around the corner the Theatre Royal, Drury Lane, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
and over in that direction is the site of the Lincoln's Inn Theatre. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
Now the man who ran the theatre, actor-manager John Rich, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
is the founding father of the British pantomime. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
If you want to find out about John Rich, the place to come | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
is the Garrick Club here on the edge of Covent Garden. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
It's not just a fine gentleman's club, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
it also boasts one of the greatest theatrical libraries in the country. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
Just the place to find out how Rich got rich. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
This is an actual book kept by Rich, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
and he kept an account of what he was putting on | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
at Lincoln's Inn Fields and later at Covent Garden, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
an account of his takings, and importantly | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
what the opposition were putting on at Drury Lane, just round the corner. | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
And if we go to December the twentieth, 1723, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
1723. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:04 | |
Here we can see The Drummer and Necromancer, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
Harlequin Doctor Faustus for the first time. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
And the takings - £162. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
That's in one night. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
And the previous night with Don Quixote | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
he only made £22. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
So from £22 to a £162, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
and every night there's a pantomime, you're in a three-figure sum. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
He's really milking the cash. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
And £162 is how much today, do you think? | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
You're looking at £200,000. a night. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
If he's doing what, six performances a week, or six - he's taking six, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
he's taking £1.2 million in today's spending power. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
It's a phenomenal amount. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
This is a goldmine, this man has struck gold, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
and oil and diamonds - all in one place, with pantomime. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
With pantomime. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
He starts to become very successful. To what end? What was his ambition? | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
He wanted to build a theatre. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
-But he had a theatre. -He wanted a better theatre, he wanted the best theatre, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
a bigger theatre. He wanted to blow Drury Lane out of the water. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
And it's the money that he'd made from his successes | 0:14:11 | 0:14:16 | |
that enabled John Rich to move from the old theatre | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
at Lincoln's Inn Fields and build a brand new theatre at Covent Garden. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
And in 1731 - and we can see him in this engraving - | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
Rich's Glory or his Triumphant Entry Into Covent Garden | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
-Oh, wow! -And here we have Harlequin driving the chariot shouting, "Rich for ever". | 0:14:32 | 0:14:39 | |
-Here's John Rich in his dog costume, sitting... -Dog costume? | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
Yeah - it's from earlier pantomimes where he played a dog, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
and he used to cock his leg. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
Wow! What a showman! What a showman! | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
We're only just discovering now, I think, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
the kinds of important things that John Rich did | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
in establishing pantomime as this centrally English celebration of | 0:15:00 | 0:15:06 | |
the enjoyment of theatre and the kind of silliness | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
that you can have, as well as the serious part of it. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
From John Rich to the current day, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
there remain staple elements of pantomime. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
There's music, dance, a dash of topical satire | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
and with Berwick's dying swan, some tragedy as well. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
And there's another pantomime tradition that Berwick's dame embraces - wordplay. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:54 | |
It is one of the ingredients of pantomime. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
Yes. And now I've got one here that you've written, | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
and I was foolish enough to be persuaded. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
What part do you want? | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
I'll play Wishy-washy. You can do Twankey. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
I'll play Wishy-washy, the accomplice. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
Dad picked up this old bag in Baghdad, Dad did. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
Did Dad pick up that old bag in Baghdad, did Dad? | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
Dad died of a deadly duodenal in Baghdad, Dad did. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
-Did Dad die in Baghdad, did Dad? -Dad did die in Baghdad, Dad did. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
-Did Dad die? -Dad did die. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
-Die. -Die. -Die. -Die. Did-ee eye-tye die die a-die a-die eye! | 0:16:24 | 0:16:31 | |
Standing ovation. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
Pantomime is family-friendly, of course, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
but a good dame should be nice and naughty. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
Eee, This takes me back! | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
There is a knowing conspiracy between the dame | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
and the audience, who accept she's a woman played by a man. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
Right, let's all get a good night's sleep! | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
It's all good knockabout fun... | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
..with endless possibilities for the double entendre. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
And the mistress of the form was the brilliant Jack Tripp. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
-Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello! -Hello. I don't think I've had the pleasure. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
No, and I don't think you're going to, either! | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
-It's you! -It is I. -I didn't recognise you. -Oh, thank you! | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
You look marvellous. Really and truly. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
You've got to see it to believe it. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:26 | |
Well, you'd better believe it, because you're not going to see it. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
But there's that terrible old joke about double entendres, you know, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
I can't stand double entendres, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
if I see one in a script I just want to whip it out. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
And there is that kind of element to it | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
-and I don't like pantomimes being rude. -Smutty, yes. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
But there is an element that children don't understand, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
-that adults do. -It has to be a double entendre, not a single. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
Yeah! | 0:17:51 | 0:17:52 | |
What about my poor sister Annie? She's gone, you know, has my Annie, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
and my poor old granny, and my sister Fanny, what am I going to do? | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
No Annie, no granny and no sign of my other sister at all! | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
Another legacy from the earliest pantomimes is topical satire. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
Even Berwick writes it into his family-friendly pantomimes. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
-He's staggering! -It's as if he doesn't know which way to turn. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
-He's going to the left. -Bit like the Conservatives! -Now he's going to the right. -Bit like Labour! | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
-He's running away. -Bit like the Liberals! | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
This kind of mockery and topicality can be traced right back | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
to the pantomime scripts of John Rich. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
In 1721, Rich included verses about the South Sea Bubble, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
a giant financial scandal that wiped out thousands of investors. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
His verses wouldn't be out of place today. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
But for the South Sea Bubble read Lehman Brothers or | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
the Greek debt crisis. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
"Hear me weep and wail, Listen to my doleful ditty | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
"Mind my wretched state and pity. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
"While the stocks were rising, rising, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
"My fortunes were surprising. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
"But now they fail, My garments at sale | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
"My hopes beguiled, My remnants spoiled | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
"And I am ruined out of measure." | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
Breaks your heart, doesn't it? | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Topicality, satire and other wonderful pantomime conventions | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
have their roots here in the West End of London | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
at John Rich's Covent Garden, and at a rival establishment nearby. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:33 | |
This is the great Theatre Royal, Drury Lane, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
just a stone's throw from Rich's Covent Garden. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
Inside here, treading the boards, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
was the great actor-manager of the day, David Garrick. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Now, Rich's vulgar entertainments were giving Garrick a problem, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
stealing audiences from the serious theatre. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
So he decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
David Garrick, the great actor-manager of his day, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
the great Shakespearean, realises that John Rich is doing | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
so well, he's actually taking away his business, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
so at Drury Lane, we find the great David Garrick admitting this, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:12 | |
and saying, "You know, if my audiences won't come to Hamlet | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
"or Lear, I must give them Harlequin." | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
And he does - and it's a wow! | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
Gyles Brandreth is a former MP and a familiar TV face. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
But it's not as widely known that Gyles is a genuine | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
pantomime historian and passionate about the subject. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
He knows the works of Garrick inside out. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
David Garrick, you know, founder of the Shakespeare festival, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
gets into pantomime. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:48 | |
And one of the shows he gives us, is Harlequin Invasion. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
Topical show, this is all about General Wolfe, the Heights of Quebec and all this, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
and it includes this song with which you may even be familiar. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
"We still make them feel, and we still make them flee, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
"and drub them at shore, as we drub them at sea, so cheer up m'lads with | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
"one heart let us sing, oh soldiers and sailors our statesman and King, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
"hearts of oak are our ships, jolly tars are our men..." | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
# We always are ready, steady, boys, steady... # | 0:21:16 | 0:21:22 | |
"Hearts of oak..." | 0:21:23 | 0:21:24 | |
Which lives on today. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:25 | |
..which lives on today - lives on today in the navy - | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
but they got the whole audience singing Hearts of Oak. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
Yeah, wonderful. It's all down to panto. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
History of Britain, panto! | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
Oh, no it isn't! | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
That's very good! | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
So in the eighteenth century, pantomime has audience participation | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
and box office hits, but still no sign of the dame. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
Don't panic! | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
Enter a character who would transform pantomime | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
and open the door for the dame. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
In 1781, a three-year-old boy appeared on the stage | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
at Drury Lane in one of David Garrick's pantomimes. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
He was to become the greatest | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
and the most influential figure in the whole history of the art form. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
His name - Joseph Grimaldi. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
The reason that Grimaldi is so important in the story of pantomime, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
is that Grimaldi moves the clown centre-stage. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
Until then the harlequinade had essentially been a romantic story. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
-Like a fool in Shakespeare? -Exactly. -Just a bit player. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
-A bit player, and now... -..comic relief. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
Comic relief, but now actually the funny bits become the central bits. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
He walked in funny. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
And they say that with a clown, with a great clown, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
the two tests are the eyes, and the knees. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
You've got to have eyes that can say everything, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
and knees that make you laugh. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
If you haven't got funny knees, forget it. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
Grimaldi changed the face of pantomime | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
and paved the way for the pantomime dame. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
It's Grimaldi also who adapts | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
what we think of now as the standard clown makeup, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
the crying and laughing clown, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
that was Grimaldi's makeup - that was his mask. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
He was a sensation in everything he was in, every pantomime. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
Here we have him - Grimaldi's Bang Up in the pantomime of The Golden Fish. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:32 | |
I mean, we are talking genius here, aren't we, by all accounts? | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
Yeah. And, in the pantomime of the Red Dwarf. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
With his Mohican. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
Wow! He must have been absolutely mesmerising, and funny. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:47 | |
Funny, funny, funny. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:48 | |
Yeah. A lunatic. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
Do you think Grimaldi won popularity with the kind of | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
sideways look at the Regency period and a bit of satire? | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
The joy of these early pantomimes is that they manage to get under | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
the barrier when it came to the rules and regulations, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
because if you were performing a straightforward play, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
you had to get a licence to do so, but if it was a pantomime | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
that included music and pantomimic interludes, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
no script was required for that, so there they are confronted | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
with a live audience and a live entertainer who comes on, knowing | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
that he can get away with anything, cos it's for one night only. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
You could make political remarks. And he did so. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
And he was said to be really quite sharp and observant. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
If you wanted the slapstick, the visual humour - he was there. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
If you wanted the song, he was there, the sentiment - he was there. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
-If you wanted the sharpness, there he was. -Amazing. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
This is probably the closest we can get to see what Grimaldi was like on stage. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:53 | |
This is George Robey, the music hall star and pantomime dame | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
appearing as a clown in a silent film from 1923. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:03 | |
Funny face and funny knees. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
And Grimaldi didn't just wear a bit of slap, he also put on a frock. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
He did play comic women. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
In a pantomime he famously played the part of Queen Rondabellyanna, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:22 | |
Rondabellyanna, you know, and dressed physically for that role. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
So he was a comic dame figure. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
I bet he was wonderful. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
He must have been wonderful. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:33 | |
This is Grimaldi's grave. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
He died in 1837, the year that Queen Victoria ascended the throne. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
One newspaper wrote, "Grimaldi is dead - he hath left no peer. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
"We fear that with him, the spirit of pantomime has disappeared." | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
Well, it hasn't disappeared, and his spirit is very much alive today. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
It was Grimaldi who put the clown centre-stage and donned the frock. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
It was Grimaldi who laid the foundation for the modern pantomime dame. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:10 | |
So you now get comics who are going to be central characters, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
and comics see the potential in the mother-in-law figure, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
of dressing up as a woman, the dame, and the dame is born. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
-And flirting and... -Flirt, and you can be every sort of... | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
I mean as a dame, you know, a bloke as a woman can be everything - | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
can be imperious, can be flirtatious, play... | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
-Shy, coquettish. -And it's all larger than life. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
-You're a natural - have you been...? -I've always wanted to play the part. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
Getting quite a lot of practising at home! | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
-Indeed, very quietly. -We'll talk about that later! | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
Of all the wonderful dame characters, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
there's one that stands out for me, and that's Widow Twankey. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
Hold it, hold it! Oh, dear. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
It's just like peeling onions, that is! | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
Widow Twankey is a key figure in the evolution of pantomime. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
She is the very model of the modern pantomime dame. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
I'm in search of the first Widow Twankey and I've come | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
to the archives of the Victoria and Albert Museum to find her. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
After you. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:35 | |
Curator Cathy Hailes is my guide. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
I brought you in here to show you a playbill. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
You asked me when Widow Twankey first appeared, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
and here on this playbill, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
which is for the Strand Theatre, in 1861, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
second on the bill, not just the pantomime. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
A-ha. The Widow Twankay. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
Twankay. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:58 | |
"Aladdin's mother, 'who,' to quote the Arabian Nights, 'was rather old | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
"and who even in her youth, had not possessed any beauty' - | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
"Mr James Rogers." | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
What's interesting, of course, is the name, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
Twankay - which is the name that comes from the rather inferior tea | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
which people would have known about at the time, that, Twankay tea... | 0:28:13 | 0:28:18 | |
Widow Tetley, or...? | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
Yes. And here we have a photograph. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
And I mean, this is wonderful because this is 1861. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
-Early photography -Early photography. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
Of course they couldn't do it in theatres - | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
-they were doing it in studios. -Look, and here's Widow Twankay. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
There he is, Jimmy Rogers in a very modest, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
quite authentically Chinese costume. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
Earrings. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:48 | |
The eyebrows look very nicely painted on. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
So, here we have not only the first portrayal of Widow Twankey, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
but she also gives us evidence | 0:28:58 | 0:28:59 | |
of that enduring pantomime convention, the double entendre. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:05 | |
"My husband was a tailor but he's gone, | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
"he's just popped off as he was getting on... | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
"..while sewing on a button, husband, why? | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
"What made you thus pop off the hook and die?" | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
And so I think there's that humour of the word "pop" for a start. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
You then wonder, well, where were the buttons? | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Were they his fly buttons for example, which would have | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
been, you know - the fly would have been buttoned in this period, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
so there's the kind of silliness of the sound of that language, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:35 | |
but there's also the sense of, maybe, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
the Widow Twankey caused her husband to die | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
because of her excessive demands on him, and, you know, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
he's just decided it's easier to give up the ghost | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
and pop off and die! | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
As Widow Twankey and other dames took centre stage, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
pantomime became ever more extravagant and lavish. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
It was now the family Christmas treat. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
And the family wanted a spectacle they'd never forget. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
Under the guiding genius of manager Augustus Harris, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
nowhere did it bigger and better than Drury Lane. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
He installed the latest technology, and amazingly it's still in place. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:21 | |
Mark Fox is taking me behind the scenes. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
OK, we're coming under the stage of the Theatre Royal Drury Lane now, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
and of course Drury Lane was built for spectacle - | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
it was famous for spectacle. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
Really grand front of house, lovely place for audiences to come to, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
but the managers wanted to create as spectacular productions as they can. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
This was all cutting-edge technology, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
this was the most expensive kit that could possibly be installed | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
at the time, and they're hydraulic rams, they're all operated by water, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
and there are four of them, but they all work independently, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
so not only could that actually lift the stage up 12 feet high, | 0:30:51 | 0:30:56 | |
and lower it right down to the bottom level, but because they | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
work independently, one could go up and the other side could go down. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
All designed to get 2,300 people | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
sitting out there in the auditorium to go "Wow!" | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
The sheer ambition of these sets is breathtaking. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
Used for melodramas and pantomimes, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
this technology pushed special effects to new heights. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
So you could sink a ship, you could have an earthquake, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
you could have something rocking from side to side. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
It turned the whole pantomime experience into something enormous. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
It's like Sam Goldwyn said of one of his movies, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
-"I want it to start with an earthquake and build up to a climax!" -Indeed, exactly that, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
and Augustus Harris would have agreed with him, wholeheartedly. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
Augustus Harris spent a fortune on these pantomimes, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
but he knew how to turn a profit. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
I notice from some of the programmes I've seen from the period, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
there are advertisements in it. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
-Vital. Product placement was... -In the show? | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
It wasn't just in the programmes - it would be in the show. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
And you would have sets that would actually have - | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
you'd have a street scene or a shop, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
and there would be product placement on there, you'd have Fry's Chocolate Cream, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
or you'd have the gin that was being sold front-of-house. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
I wonder what the critics made of this vulgarisation of the theatre. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
Funnily enough, I just happen to have one that I can read to you, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
so this is an excerpt from a review in The Star. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
And it says, "The Drury Lane pantomime is a symbol of our nation. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
"It is the biggest thing of its kind in the world. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
"It is a prodigal of money, of invention, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
"of splendour, of men and women, but it is without | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
"the sense of beauty or the restraining influence of taste. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
"Only a great nation could have done such a thing. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
"Only an undisciplined nation WOULD have done it". | 0:32:47 | 0:32:52 | |
MUSIC: God Save The Queen | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
The audience for a typical Victorian pantomime was probably | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
a cross-section of Britain - people of all shapes, ages, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
sizes and classes attended. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:05 | |
It was the Boxing Day entertainment, and it was eagerly awaited. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:13 | |
So you have this example of a pantomime audience in 1852 - | 0:33:13 | 0:33:18 | |
"The pit was crammed to suffocation, oranges too were eaten | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
"with their customary eagerness and the skins flung upon the heads | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
"of the persons in the pit, who sought to return the courtesy. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
"Stand-up fights there were, too, among the occupants of the upper regions, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
"but on the whole, the audience behaved very decently for a Christmas audience." | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
What were they like when they were rowdy, I wonder? | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
Today's pantomime audiences may not get into fisticuffs, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
but they share one thing in common with their Victorian counterparts. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
They're attracted to the theatre to see celebs. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
This is a trend started a century ago by our old friend Augustus Harris. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:59 | |
He found that he could bring in huge crowds by booking the most popular | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
music hall stars of the day. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
Augustus Harris was known as old Druriolanus. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
He brought Marie Lloyd into pantomime, put her | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
into Humpty-Dumpty and he brought Dan Leno to national prominence. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
There are two names in the annals of pantomime that stand out | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
from the crowd, that come forward to take their bow - | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
Joseph Grimaldi and Dan Leno. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
So, Dan Leno was a huge music hall star. He danced, he sang, he told jokes. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
Nobody can quite tell you why he was the funniest man on earth - | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
they always come back to the eyes, and I think that must be because, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
it's clear from the pictures of him that he played the whole house. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
Looking, as it were, as if the world had beaten him down, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
but he was still there. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
So, he would come on - small, dainty, diminutive, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
doing it all with the eyes, little movements, he is the put-upon woman. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
He comes on playing Widow Twankey, any of the great female characters, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
and it is, a housewife, checked long frock, apron, exaggerated, wig. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:05 | |
And if you are a pantomime dame, you know, 2013, 2014 - | 0:35:05 | 0:35:10 | |
rest assured, Dan Leno made you what you are. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
-Do you like the frock? -Yes! | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
Peacocks, Acomb branch. Buy one, get one free! | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
This is the free one! | 0:35:20 | 0:35:21 | |
Dan Leno is the Dame's Dame, revered by all who followed in his footsteps. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:29 | |
Among them was one of the twentieth century's great dames, Douglas Byng, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
who had appeared in over thirty pantomimes. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
Here's what he had to say about the great Dan Leno. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
When we talk about pantomime dames as played by a man, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
we immediately think of the greatest dame of all time, Dan Leno, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
who started playing the dame a hundred years ago, and really, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
ever since then, the dame's been played along those lines. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
He was brilliant, of course. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
But he really was the sort of model for all the dames since. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
The story of the dame is a story of changing social attitudes. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
The dame is a kind of weather vane. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
But though she may blow with the wind, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
there are parts of her that never, ever change. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
A dame should be definitely a man. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
And the audience should know he's a man. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
And the kids in the audience should know he's a man. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
I go on as Arthur Askey, with a hired wig, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
and a hired frock and play me. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
Do you think men laugh as much at the dame character as the women do? | 0:36:32 | 0:36:37 | |
Yes, but not - how do I put this? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
If a dame makes a man uncomfortable in the audience, forget it. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
-You're in trouble. -You're really in trouble. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
A dame must appeal to all age groups and every section of that audience. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:53 | |
The audience will accept you as a woman. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
Not your day, is it, sir? | 0:36:56 | 0:36:57 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:36:57 | 0:36:58 | |
You look a bit shocked. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:01 | |
Is this the first time you've ever smelt Paco Rabanne on a woman? | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
But your attitude on stage is a feminine attitude, is it not? | 0:37:06 | 0:37:11 | |
-Yes, you... -It's a point of view. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
..you do not send women up, you do not do that. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
You fight for women's causes, and everything you say is as a woman. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:22 | |
When you tell the story as a fella you do it your own way | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
and in your own sort of kind of casual or whatever way you tell your story. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
But if you tell it as a dame, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
you then have to use three movements, most important - | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
one is there, two is there, and three, at the tag is, there. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
So you tell your story. You say, "But did you...?" | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
And suddenly you're playing a dame. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
The right gestures, an outrageous frock, and hey presto, you're a dame. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
How hard can it be? | 0:37:51 | 0:37:52 | |
In the 1970s, pantomime could attract the biggest names. | 0:37:55 | 0:38:00 | |
Stars like Richard Briers. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
His hit series, The Good Life, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
attracted audiences of up to 20 million in its heyday. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
MIMICS JAMES CAGNEY: OK, shweethearts, nobody moves. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
Then one fateful day, pantomime came calling. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
Close your eyes. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:20 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:38:23 | 0:38:24 | |
Your agent rings you and says, "We've had an offer for pantomime." | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
You said, "That's very interesting." And then he said, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
"The good news is they want you to play dame." How did you react? | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
Well, I mean just laughed. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
The whole thing was laughter. I don't do that kind of thing. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
I don't do variety. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
I'm just an actor. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
Stepping into what is essentially a vaudeville environment | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
is quite a big step, isn't it? | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
Yes, very much, very much, and you have to be funny. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
And I mean I was with a guy called Bobby Bennett | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
and he said, "You know you've got to do the balloons." | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
I said, "I'm sorry?" He said, "The balloons, you've got to do the balloons | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
"and then you've gotta make them into dogs, cats." | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
I said, "I can't do that very well at all." | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
He thought, "He can't do anything. He's an idiot. What is he doing? | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
"He gets the most money than we do, more money than we do, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
"and he's got the billing." | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
I thought, well, you know, you've got to be... | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
You're supposed to be a butch dame, you know, and I couldn't do that. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
But the whole thing was very... it was a very, worried me. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
-You didn't enjoy it? -No. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
Not so easy after all. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
So how have the great dames of the 20th century approached the role? | 0:39:38 | 0:39:43 | |
How do they get the audience to love them? | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
When I played Mother Goose, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:51 | |
that's when I really started to think more about technique. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
And I would stop and say, no, no. An old woman wouldn't do it that way. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
An old woman wouldn't speak that way. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
Or a kind old woman wouldn't do that. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
Then I suppose I was getting a little bit more like my mother. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:10 | |
Everybody has their own way of playing it. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
I play it like my mother. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
She said, "Oh, well, I've got a simulated mink in the cupboard." | 0:40:14 | 0:40:20 | |
Or, "Your father, he stays in bed all day long on is dunnylumpoma." | 0:40:20 | 0:40:26 | |
Which I thought was... I get all those things, I'm not going to tell you | 0:40:26 | 0:40:31 | |
too many things otherwise, you know, you'll be playing dame yourself. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
It got nearer and nearer and like my person of my mother. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
Ah. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:40 | |
And so she was slightly snobbish, and so I began more and more | 0:40:40 | 0:40:46 | |
and more - which I am a little bit I suppose - a bit sort of, | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
"Hello, Mother, where are you?" And it would get more and posh. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:54 | |
And "Come along, dears, off to bed." So it wasn't very butch at all, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:59 | |
which I prefer the man to be very butch as a dame, I think it's right. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
But in order to get through it you found that by, sort of playing Mum... | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
-Yes. -And did people laugh? | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
Not a lot, but...I did my best. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
Terry Scott was also a TV favourite, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
starring in the 1970s sitcom Terry and June. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
It says we owe £58.49. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
-That's what -they -say. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
Well, how much have they over-charged us? | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
12p. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:36 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:41:36 | 0:41:37 | |
-12p? -Yes. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
It's hard to believe that this dull character in a beige cardigan | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
and his glorious dame are one and the same. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
It's the principle of the thing. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
In a revealing interview in 1982, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
he explained how he found the dame within. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
My dame is an extension of myself. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
Most people, a lot of people realise that they're male | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
and female inside them. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:04 | |
And yet my degree of femininity is higher | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
than a lot of real sort of aggressive butch men. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
And I suppose that is why the dame comes reasonably easy to me. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:42:16 | 0:42:17 | |
Wheeee! | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
When they see this man being a bit of a woman, it's all right. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:28 | |
It releases possibly some of their feelings of, "Oh dear, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
"sometimes I feel a bit womanish," without being peculiar. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
The more you look at the dame, the more fascinating she gets. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
It's interesting to me that the tradition of cross-dressing | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
-in order to make an audience laugh is very much a male preserve. -Yes. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:51 | |
Why do you think that might be? | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
Even today, you don't laugh | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
if a woman gets bucket of water thrown over her. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
I think it's because women are more grown up than men. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:03 | |
Women are not as silly as men. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
Women have more gravitas than men. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
And if women appear silly, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
they lose their authority, and a man can be silly and fall over | 0:43:14 | 0:43:20 | |
and still retain a modicum of authority. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
Silly men are part of our culture, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
and because, in the rest of life, | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
men are expected to be grown up, whereas we're not, actually. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
RAUNCHY STRIPPER MUSIC | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
Terry's Scott's strip. Pure genius. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
Proof, if you need it, that there really is nothing like a dame. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
Post-war, the most dazzling dames were | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
appearing at the London Palladium. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
My dad, Leslie Grade, produced a lot of these shows and looking back now | 0:44:55 | 0:44:59 | |
at the cast lists, they read like a Who's Who of British entertainment. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
Starting right at the beginning with Val Parnell, | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
I mean, they'd be headlined by Tommy Trinder, those big comedians | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
of the day, then you'd work through everybody. So, Bruce Forsyth, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:15 | |
Bernard Breslaw, the big names, | 0:45:15 | 0:45:16 | |
Sidney James appeared in pantomime, Peter Sellers... | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
Tommy Steele, Engelbert Humperdink in Robinson Crusoe | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
singing There Goes My Everything as the ship went down. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
And the later stages it was the big Saturday night variety names, so, | 0:45:25 | 0:45:29 | |
Leslie Crowther, Terry Scott, Cilla Black, Cliff Richard and the Shadows. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
Pantomime has always been market savvy and in the 1960s | 0:45:35 | 0:45:39 | |
it reached out to the growing teenage market. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
Cliff and the Shadows appeared alongside dames like Terry Scott | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
and Arthur Askey. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:46 | |
You've got to move with the times and these days | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
with the pop singers, if you put a pop singer in as principal boy, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:57 | |
it must be a success, it's got to be a success with the teenagers. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:03 | |
Those pantomimes were big expensive productions, | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
so a lot of money invested in them getting the biggest stars again | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
to attract the biggest audience, all the television names, | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
they became very, very expensive | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
and to try and make your money back in that limited 12-week period, | 0:46:17 | 0:46:22 | |
in the West End, is not easy. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
You also had the product placement, of course, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
so I think 1976, the Cinderella, they'd just revamped | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
the Sugar Puffs, so the Honey Monster appeared for the first time. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
I can top that - we did Cinderella one year | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
and we had an act from Las Vegas, an animal act, an elephant, | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
Tanya the Adorable Elephant, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
and there was a big sign on the stage that Tanya flew to the palace on TWA. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:48 | |
But the biggest and most glamorous dame of this period was not | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
Tanya the adorable elephant, it was, of course, Danny La Rue. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
Wotcha, mates! | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
CHEERING | 0:47:04 | 0:47:05 | |
# Jolly good luck to the girl who loves a soldier | 0:47:05 | 0:47:10 | |
# Girls, have you been there? # | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
Danny broke the Dan Leno mould of men in frocks. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:17 | |
He was a one-off, a gorgeous plumed creature, more duchess than dame. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:22 | |
Danny took the panto dame in a different direction. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
And his costumes ended up in the V&A archives. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
Now what is this you're showing us? | 0:47:33 | 0:47:35 | |
This is one of two... | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
It's not yours, is it, not one you brought from home? | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
No! | 0:47:40 | 0:47:41 | |
This is one of two frocks we've got, | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
of, of course the glamorous Danny la Rue. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:49 | |
Ah, Mother Goose. Wonderful, look at this embroidery. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
Fantastic. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:54 | |
You've got the little goslings. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
So with this frock, you've got your egg handbag. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
MICHAEL LAUGHS | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
Beautifully done. Look, look, with a gold satin lining. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:08 | |
Isn't that wonderful? | 0:48:08 | 0:48:09 | |
What every woman wants. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
And then the hat. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:12 | |
Now the hat's even got a surprise in it. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
Whether many people, apart from those | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
right at the front of the stalls could have appreciated this. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
There we go. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:23 | |
Oh, the wings move! | 0:48:23 | 0:48:24 | |
And the beaks. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
MICHAEL LAUGHS | 0:48:26 | 0:48:27 | |
That's a work of art, isn't it? | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
All... All to get a laugh. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:31 | |
Here's Danny wearing it. There it is. Look, isn't that wonderful? | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
He was a female impersonator who made the transition to playing dame. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:40 | |
There are pantomime dames who didn't like what Danny la Rue did | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
because they just made him a beautiful woman, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
and someone like Arthur Askey always said, you ought to | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
believe that there are trousers underneath this frock. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
Danny la Rue, great female impersonator, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
when he first came into pantomime, really didn't quite get | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
the measure of it, because he came on looking far too glamorous. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
-Wanted to be glamorous. -He needed to be glamorous, that was his calling card. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
It was only when he was of riper years that he | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
turned into a figure who could be a successful pantomime dame. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
While pantomime brought in talent from TV, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
by the 1970s, TV was borrowing the pantomime dame. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:24 | |
Take Dick Emery's character, the charming Mandy. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
Excuse me. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:28 | |
-Here's a charming young lady. -Oh, thank you. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
May I ask you, miss, | 0:49:31 | 0:49:32 | |
is there any particular day that stands out in your memory. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
Oh, yes, one awful day, | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
when I got back home and found a burglar in my flat. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
It was dreadful. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:41 | |
Oh, dear, did he rummage through your drawers? | 0:49:41 | 0:49:44 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:49:44 | 0:49:45 | |
I mean did he manage to lay his hands on your best bits and pieces? | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
Oh, you're awful, awful, | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
but I like you. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:53 | |
And two of my favourite cross-dressers are Les Dawson | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
and Roy Barraclough, playing Cissie and Ada. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
I was just thinking you looked a trifle wan. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
Well, let's face it, you know, I am at a funny age. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
I wouldn't tell another living soul this, of course. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
I'm approaching the change. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:50:22 | 0:50:23 | |
Approaching the change? From which direction. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:50:29 | 0:50:30 | |
The dame has come a long way | 0:50:36 | 0:50:37 | |
since John Rich staged the first pantomime in the 18th century. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:42 | |
This corner of London has seen a fantastic cast list | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
of harlequins, clowns, actors, all culminating, of course, in the dame. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:50 | |
Well she's now departed the West End stage. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
The last pantomime at the Palladium was produced back in 1986. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:58 | |
She may have left the theatre district, | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
but she's alive and well in another part of the city. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
This is Stratford in London's East End, | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
just a stone's throw from the Olympic Stadium. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
I've come to the Theatre Royal, to see how pantomime looks today, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:13 | |
and how they manage to appeal to an audience drawn from one | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
of the most culturally diverse populations in the whole country. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
This year they're doing Cinderella and they haven't got one dame, | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
they've got three. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:25 | |
I think what we try and do here, because of the diversity of our audience, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
is take all those stock elements, | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
and try and keep them as relevant and as modern | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
as we can, and that's where we try, that's how we try and keep it fresh. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
I will look the best, won't I? | 0:51:41 | 0:51:43 | |
AUDIENCE: No! | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
Oh, yes, I will! | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
Oh, no, you won't! | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
Oh, yes, I will! | 0:51:49 | 0:51:51 | |
Oh, no, you won't! | 0:51:51 | 0:51:52 | |
Who will have you, when they can have this picture | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
of perfection before your very eyes, with all of this, and all of this? | 0:51:55 | 0:52:01 | |
You know I'm sexy, ain't I? | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
Did you just say "Eurgh"? | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
-Yes! -You know, I never liked you lot! Shut up. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
The pantomime dame is significant to kind of all our audience | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
because she/he is anarchic. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
SHE/HE YELLS | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
there's a grit to them, there's a passion to them, | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
there's raw desire, | 0:52:21 | 0:52:22 | |
and everyone recognises that, no matter where you're from. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:26 | |
And that's kind of why they will work in front of any kind of audience. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
I have worked hard to get where I am today, marrying your father. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
For many people in the UK, pantomime is their only experience of theatre. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
And that's reflected in the numbers that come to Stratford. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
More people come to our panto than anything else. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
We get about over 33,000 people each year coming to it, | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
and it's a programme where you'll get all | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
the generations coming and it's one of your biggest earners too. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
-Do you like my dress? -Yes! | 0:52:55 | 0:52:56 | |
Do you think I should wear it tonight? | 0:52:56 | 0:52:58 | |
And Kerry follows another convention that harks back to | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
the Victorian era. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
Panto sponsorship is possibly the easiest thing you can sponsor in a season. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:08 | |
Thank you. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
And this year we were able to get a shopping centre, Gallion's Reach, | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
to sponsor this year's panto, and we'll build on that year on year. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
Yes, I am a Gallion's Reach girl. Are you? | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
Oh, and coincidentally, | 0:53:22 | 0:53:24 | |
Gallion's Reach happen to be sponsors of this year's panto. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
CAST EXCLAIM | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
You, you, what's your name? Buttocks, | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
come with us, we shall need some extra hands to carry all our purchases. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
Carry your own! | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
Meanwhile, at York they take a different approach to | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
the commercial break. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:47 | |
Now it's Newky and Wagon Wheels time! | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
It's become a traditional part of the show | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
and a much loved one at that. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
They chuck chocolate into the audience and hand out a beer. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
The sponsorship for our pantomime is not financial. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
We don't get a huge cheque from anybody for our pantomime | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
and we don't mention anybody's name because they've given us money to put the pantomime on. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:12 | |
They get lobbed out into the audience | 0:54:12 | 0:54:14 | |
and people desperately want to catch a Wagon Wheel. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
It's just funny and it's a really exciting part of the panto. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:22 | |
And giving them Newcastle Brown Ale, is very much | 0:54:22 | 0:54:26 | |
something about the fact that Berwick's a Geordie in Yorkshire. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
It's kind of like a gift from his home, his home region to Yorkshire. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:37 | |
And to that extent it doesn't ever really feel like sponsorship, | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
it feels as if it's just a part of the show. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
It represents something that's never-changing. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
It's very clear what it is to people and they love it. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
And it's great fun, you laugh a lot when you come to the pantomime. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
TS Eliot had this wonderful line about the security of known | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
relationships, and I think one of the reasons that pantomime | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
is this enduring British tradition is that it is part of our DNA. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:08 | |
It has never exported itself successfully | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
beyond the British Empire. It is something that we understand. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
It's like bread and butter pudding. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:17 | |
I mean, it is something that for us, you know, | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
other people would think revolting, but we understand it, we know | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
what it's about, we understand pantomime, we know the rules. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
What I've always loved about pantomime, | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
is the strength of the story and the moral aspect of it, | 0:55:27 | 0:55:32 | |
and the fact that the dame was allowed to do absolutely anything, really. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:39 | |
She was motherly, kind, foolish, fallible... | 0:55:39 | 0:55:45 | |
-Flirtatious. -Flirtatious, | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
disciplined, silly...um, and strong. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:53 | |
A dame is outrageous, a dame never really offends anybody. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:59 | |
A dame should be vulgar, beautifully vulgar. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
And I love the dame's vulgarity. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
As a dame I think Berwick is very much a bloke in a frock. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
It goes I think to the heart of what pantomime is because it's, | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
it's somehow or other it's about, misrule, | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
the notion of Twelfth Night. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:23 | |
Everything's the wrong way round all of a sudden. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
There's a relationship to be had between him as dame | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
and the audience, which is very familiar, | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
and in the role of the dame he is allowed to have that special relationship. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:37 | |
I've had my name over West End theatres, and the titles, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
but I would never take an 18-month contract, | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
because it interfered with pantomime. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:47 | |
Everything has revolved around, for the last 30-odd years, | 0:56:47 | 0:56:52 | |
around this York pantomime. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
And for that, his fans are truly grateful. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
Imagining the York pantomime without Berwick is something | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
we don't actually like to think about. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
Oh, Berwick is absolutely wonderful. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
He actually makes the show. I mean, we know he writes it | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
and he directs it, but he is just a superman. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
Berwick's now in his 33rd year as dame. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
Let's work this out, that's over 2,000 shows | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 | |
and more than 30,000 costume changes. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
Surely it's starting to lose its appeal by now. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
-Do you still love it? -Love it! | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
-Can't wait to get the dress on? -Can't... | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
I can't, and it's not a dress. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
-A frock. -It's not a frock. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:42 | |
-It's a frock. -It's not drag. -It's a costume. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:44 | |
It's a costume, thank you. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
Very good. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:47 | |
Well, if Berwick ever does retire, I might just know someone | 0:57:49 | 0:57:52 | |
who can step into his shoes, and his costumes. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:55 | |
Being transformed into a dame, however briefly, has given me | 0:58:00 | 0:58:04 | |
a glimpse of what makes her tick. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
She's ridiculous, absurd, vain, subversive and rude. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:12 | |
But she's always game, and she's always warm, | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
and always, always, uniquely British. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
Our world would be so much poorer without her. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:22 | |
# There is nothin' like a dame | 0:58:22 | 0:58:25 | |
# Nothin' in the world | 0:58:25 | 0:58:29 | |
# There is nothin' you can name | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
# That is anything like a dame... # | 0:58:32 | 0:58:35 | |
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