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This imposing house in Kent | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
was once the setting for one of literature's greatest mysteries. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
Our story begins in 1870, | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
on the 8th June, around about six o'clock in the evening. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
On that particular day, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:26 | |
Charles Dickens had been hard at work on his latest novel. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
He'd worked for eight hours solid, which was unusual for him - | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
he preferred working in shorter bursts. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
And that evening here at Gad's Hill, which is now a school. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
He came down to the dining room | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
to have dinner with his sister-in-law, Miss Hogarth. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
Almost as soon as he entered, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
he started complaining of a toothache, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
and immediately, he collapsed and lost consciousness and never recovered. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
He died shortly afterwards, and he'd never complete his final novel, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
even though the first three instalments already being published, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
gripping the nation, leaving his audience with this unquenchable thirst for resolution. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
The Mystery Of Edwin Drood is one of the most perplexing | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
and celebrated unfinished masterpieces in English literature. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
It's a story that continues to haunt us and entice us. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
I'm going to try and prize open our fascination with this | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
and other unfinished masterpieces | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
that some of our greatest authors and artists have left behind. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
Dickens' death before he got to complete his final masterpiece | 0:01:29 | 0:01:34 | |
is one of the great frustrations of British literature. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
And more than 100 years later with a new drama adaptation on the BBC, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
we're still trying to solve his riddle | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
and find the right ending for this tantalising tale. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
KNOCKING AT DOOR | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
Rosa! To your room this minute! | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
-What is it? -When did you last see Edwin? -Yesterday afternoon. Why? | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
You saw or heard nothing of him last night? | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
What has happened to Eddie? | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
He departed my house last night with Neville Landless | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
and he never came home. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:08 | |
Neville left at first light to walk by the coast. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
Thank you, Miss Twinkleton. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
What Dickens left us in the few chapters he had completed | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
was a cast of brilliant characters, and a riveting mystery to solve. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
Edwin Drood is the nephew of John Jasper, a choirmaster | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
who becomes obsessed with Drood's fiancee, Rosa. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
Jasper seems respectable, but he has secrets. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
He's addicted to opium, and he has designs on the underage Rosa. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
So when his nephew disappears, the finger points at him. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
There's a certain irony to the fact that | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
of all the works he could have left unfinished, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
Dickens managed to die in the middle of a murder mystery, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
leaving behind a whodunnit that could never be solved. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
It's fiendishly frustrating. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
The full title is The Mystery Of Edwin Drood. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
We don't know what's happened to Edwin, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
whether Jasper has killed him | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
and he's buried under the cloisters in the cathedral. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
The Mystery Of Edwin Drood is a special case, I think, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
of an excitement to want to complete on the part of the reader | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
because we know that Dickens had a plan for it, cos he always did. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
We know that he had a plot | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
and its incompletion is like | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
the incompletion one might imagine of an Agatha Christie novel | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
or a John le Carre novel. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
It was designed as a puzzle and it's the perfect puzzle. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
We'll never know, I mean, everyone who's tried to - as it were - | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
complete it, it's like completing an incomplete game of chess, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
after two or three moves you don't know where the game is going to go. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
One question is whether Dickens himself | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
knew where this story was going. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
The actual manuscript that Dickens left behind still exists, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
here at the Victoria and Albert Museum, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
so I'm going to take a look at it. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
Volume Two. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
And we turn to the end. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:35 | |
This is the manuscript of Edwin Drood. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
-It looks very... -This is bizarre, looking at this! | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
Here is this kind of cacophonous page of writing with crossings-out | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
and different coloured ink and messy bits and neater passages. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
So there's a real sense of a mind at work here. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
Cacophonous is a very good word, actually. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
Dickens is always working at a frenetic pace, as you know. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
One's feeling is when you see this that he's throwing the words down. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
Some passages come out totally clear, others he has to revise. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:13 | |
I'm very glad to have seen this | 0:05:13 | 0:05:14 | |
because Dickens has such a teeming, fertile imagination, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
it would have been an immense disappointment to find | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
a very crabbed, precise handwriting style | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
that he was writing in his original manuscript. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
So this is the very last page? | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
It's the last page. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
"And then falls to with an appetite." | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
And then there's this kind of spiralling flourish. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
Of course, this was written within hours of him collapsing | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
-and having a stroke at Gad's Hill, shortly before he died. -Yes. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
I mean, this was in the final 24 to 48 hours of his life. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
He's not supposing that he won't start with renewed energy | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
the next time he sits down to produce the next chapter. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
Don't you love that the last word he wrote was appetite? | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
There couldn't be a more Dickensian word. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
But the thing that's so, in a sense, moving but also slightly frustrating | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
about looking at the manuscript | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
is this idea that because you look at it in his own hand, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
it feels so intimate and close to him and to the workings of his mind | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
that this reminds us that we're all locked inside | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
the fortress of our own solitude, of our own identity and individuality. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
This doesn't reveal anything about Dickens, does it, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
in terms of what he was going to do with the story? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
It FEELS like it must, there must be a clue here | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
but what we're left with is just this fainter and fainter line | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
going down the page. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
o, no clues in the manuscript, but back at Gad's Hill, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
Dickens' ancestor - the biographer Lucinda Hawksley - | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
might be able to help. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
Could we talk a little bit about the whole sort of make-up | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
of Dickens' imagination? | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
Do we know where Dickens got the plot for Edwin Drood from? | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
Was it a figment of his imagination or inspired by real-life events or what? | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
It was a little bit of both and he started off, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
he wrote to John Forster and... | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
-Who was Forster? -Sorry, his best friend and his first biographer. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
And Dickens wrote to him and said that he was going to do a story | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
of a young couple who'd been intended for each other from childhood by their families, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
who go their separate ways in the world. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
A very simple love story is how he almost described it really, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
and at the end of the book they would come to their "impending fate" as he called it - marriage. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
Then he wrote to Forster in 1869, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
so just ten months before he died | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
and he said that he'd decided to turn it into | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
a murder of a nephew by his uncle. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
We know from his time in America | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
that Dickens had been very interested in a real-life murder | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
that had happened there. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
There was a chap called Parkman who was a moneylender | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
and he had a client who was Professor Webster | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
who owed him around 2,000, which he just couldn't afford to pay. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
It was known that Parkman was going to expose Webster. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
Parkman went to Harvard to meet the professor and was never seen again. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
From that moment on, Webster kept his laboratory locked | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
and eventually the body or parts of the body were discovered | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
when the janitor - who'd become very curious by all this - | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
actually broke through the brickwork to enter the laboratory that way | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
and found human remains. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
It's known that Webster had burned Dr Parkman's clothing | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
and he'd also thrown the doctor's watch into the river, in the hope... | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
-That's what happened in the novel! -Yes. -The watch appears in the river. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
-Absolutely. -Is the conclusion of this then, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
Dickens had killed off Edwin Drood by the time of his death? | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
I don't know if we can. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
That was his intention originally in August of 1869 | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
but I don't know if we can say for certain | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
because Dickens liked to change and keep his readers guessing. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
Part of the reason the mystery is so tantalising | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
is that it is unresolved, we don't know whether he has been murdered. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
Exactly and he does say in the same letter to Forster | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
that it's a very good plot but it's difficult to bring about. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
So, he says he doesn't want to give away all of the plot | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
because that would make the book unreadable. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
So actually, he was even having double thoughts at the time. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
For months after his death, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
the obituaries mourned Dickens's characters | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
as much as the man himself. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
It's as if the vivacity of the characters | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
that sprung from Dickens's fertile imagination, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
gave them a life off the page | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
that almost demanded further attention. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
This, coupled with the murder mystery format of Drood | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
was just too much for a clamorous public. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
The desire for a finished Edwin Drood became like an itch | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
that needed to be scratched. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
There have been all manner of attempts | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
to complete The Mystery Of Edwin Drood. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
Already in 1873, for example, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
which is only three years after Dickens' death, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
an American writer called Thomas James | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
attempted to finish the novel | 0:09:54 | 0:09:55 | |
claiming that he'd been possessed by Dickens's ghost | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
and the books enjoyed afterlives in a number of different media as well. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
I mean, there was a film, a gothic horror movie in 1935 | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
with Claude Rains, who starred in Casablanca, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
and my favourite I think, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
in the '80s there was a Broadway musical version. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
It won five Tony awards. It was the first musical ever | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
to invite the audience to decide on the ending, every single night. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
And certainly for the latest person to finish the tale, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
this time for the BBC, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:36 | |
reviving the characters that Dickens so brilliantly sketched | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
has been the key to completing The Mystery Of Edwin Drood. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
I started off looking at the clues that he left behind | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
and I soon found they were quite self-contradictory. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
And some of them didn't work, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
and some got in the way of the story, particularly in this book, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
where he was writing in such a dark and almost Gothic new style for him. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:07 | |
The characters just spring out of the page at you. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
They are the reason people love this book. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
In fact, I was helped very much in my wanderings | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
by Dickens' favourite daughter, Katie, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
who counselled everybody at the time. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
She said, "Don't get too hung-up..." | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
I'm paraphrasing! | 0:11:22 | 0:11:23 | |
"Don't get too hung-up on the mystery. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
"Remember what my father loved and was good at, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
"which was his fantastic | 0:11:29 | 0:11:30 | |
"and strange insight into the mysteries of the human heart." | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
Fortified by Katie the favourite daughter, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
I felt emboldened to go with the characters, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
to go where I felt they were going to take me. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
In the end, the person whose desires | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
I most wanted to follow to the end of the story | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
was John Jasper, the hero of the story. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
The dark, controlling, mad figure right at the heart of this story. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:56 | |
I always knew where I wanted to end up with John Jasper, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
this wonderful anti-hero. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
I always knew where he would end up. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:02 | |
And if you've seen the thing already, you'll know that he ends up dead. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
He sort of... He's a tragic hero. He needs to die. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
It needs to go so horribly wrong for him that the only outcome is death. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
And I hope the nation weeps at the loss of him, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
even though he's a really horrible person. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:19 | |
'Choose the light. Our Father, who art in heaven... | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
'Jasper, won't you join me? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
'Our Father, who art in heaven...' | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
Hallowed be Thy name... | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
-'Hallowed be Thy name...' -Jack! -'Thy kingdom come...' | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
Thy will be done... | 0:12:38 | 0:12:39 | |
No! | 0:12:39 | 0:12:40 | |
When you talked about your process, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
it sounded like you left Dickens behind altogether | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
and you imagined John Jasper. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:49 | |
Were there ever times when you're sitting at your desk in the room next door | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
where you would suddenly think, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:55 | |
"This is quite an enormous thing I'm taking on. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
"Dickens is one of a handful of the greatest geniuses in English literature | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
"and I'm now trying to complete the novel | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
"and in a different medium. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:06 | |
"Is that right? Is it wrong?" | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
Those questions must have troubled you at points. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
Yes, there were points when I felt, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:14 | |
"Oh, Lord, I'll never scale this mountain. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
"This is just too difficult. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:18 | |
"I'm just little me and he's Charles Dickens..." | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
A giant in every way, a man I love and respect. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
But I think, because I love and respect him, it's OK. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
I think it's OK. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:31 | |
I just sat on his lap and listened to what he said, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
and sometimes he did object, so I took it out! | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
And just tried to do something he would have liked, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
but not worrying about what he wanted to do. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
I did what I wanted to do with the story, with his characters, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
in a respectful and loving way. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
I'm sure Gwyneth is ultra-meticulous in reviving Dickens's characters, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:04 | |
but she's aided by the fact | 0:14:04 | 0:14:05 | |
that she's adapting something for TV, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
something that was originally designed to be read. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
It's an important point to remember, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
because when you're making a drama adaptation, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
in a sense, you bypass the voice of the author altogether - | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
his or her distinctive prose style - | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
and concentrate instead on the words of the characters. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
I wonder whether if you're commissioned to complete an unfinished novel | 0:14:22 | 0:14:27 | |
that means in fact you face a tougher challenge altogether? | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
In most cases, for an ordinary reader, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
we feel a connection with the writer of the book. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
As in, famously, Catcher In The Rye, where the narrator says, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
if you read a really good book, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:43 | |
you want to ring up the author and talk to them. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
And all readers recognise that emotion. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
And so it becomes very strange if you're ringing up somebody else. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:55 | |
What we expect when we read a novel by Austen or Dickens, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
or Laurence Sterne or whoever, is actually a certain voice, really. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
And it may be the voice of a character | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
rather than the voice of the author, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
but that's terribly difficult to bring off. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
And, in a sense, even if somebody brings it off, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
the reader won't read it as the genuine thing - | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
they'll read it as burlesque or pastiche. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
And that already kind of undermines it. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
A whole industry has grown up around the unfinished novel, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
of so-called "continuators" - | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
authors who attempt new endings to old stories. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
But honestly, how successful can they really be? | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
There's another great author who left behind an unfinished work. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
'Jane Austen also died in the middle of writing her last novel, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
'and I wonder whether her fans really care to have it "continued"?' | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
It was against the blustery backdrop | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
of a seaside resort in Sussex called Sanditon | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
that the characters of Jane Austen's last and unfinished novel | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
lived their brief and aborted lives. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
'When Austen began writing Sanditon in January 1817, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
'she was already in delicate health. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
'She died six months later, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
'with just 11 chapters complete. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
'But the scene was already set.' | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
So Sanditon is a new coastal resort with very grand ambitions, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
because its inhabitants | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
are determined to put the town on the map, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
and cash in on this recent vogue | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
for holidaying by the British seaside. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
It's quite a claustrophobic community, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
but under Austen's expert eye, it offers an opportunity | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
for whip-smart social satire about hypochondria, commercial greed, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:06 | |
and what happens when a fresh-faced singleton suddenly arrives in town. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:12 | |
I was hoping to read you a bit of description about the town, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
but we're enjoying such a blustery British seaside weather | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
that I'm a bit worried the book's going to blow away! | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
You'll just have to take it from me | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
that the book's actually a very good read. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
I was going to say that we've come to Sanditon, but we haven't - | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
-it's Eastbourne! -Eastbourne. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
Because Sanditon is supposed to be an up-and-coming seaside resort. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
It's all a terrific joke. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
There's this foolish Parker family. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
Mr Tom Parker, who actually owns the village, the estate of Sanditon, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
is trying to turn it into the best seaside resort. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
And we can see that Sanditon | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
is going to turn into a cold turkey, a dead duck. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
All Mr Parker's great ideas | 0:18:04 | 0:18:05 | |
are probably going to fall flat on their face. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
We know it's unfinished. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:10 | |
There are 12 chapters, but there may have been up to 30. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
But what about the actual quality of the prose? | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
Are we looking at something which is a final draft up to that point? | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
Or would this have been revised had she lived? | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
Well, people do comment that despite the fact she was so ill, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
there's no sense of illness in the story. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
It's very funny. It rushes along. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
And this is part of the sadness of why it's unfinished, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
because it was obviously going to be very long and very funny. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
How do you feel about the idea of other authors attempting to complete it? | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
Well, I mean, would you want to copy Jane Austen's style? | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
COULD you copy her style? | 0:18:47 | 0:18:48 | |
People now and then do try, and it's so obvious that it's not hers. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
And they'd have to know an awful lot about the social history of the period, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
which all too many of the people who do try and write completions and sequels and continuations, | 0:18:56 | 0:19:02 | |
they just don't, and it's so obvious. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
So, to finish, or not to finish? That is the question. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
Is it better to have half an original Austen, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
or a full story completed by a more recent writer? | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
'I thought I'd do a bit of a straw poll.' | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
-Excuse me, hello, I'm Alastair. -Hi, Alastair. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
Excuse me, sir. Hello. I'd like to give you a book. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
By Jane Austen - her last novel, called Sanditon, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
possibly partly inspired by Eastbourne. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
-Are you a Jane Austen fan? -No! | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
The only catch is that she died before she completed it. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
-You want us to finish it off for you? -If you could! | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
You haven't heard of it? | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
Not that many people have. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:45 | |
-It's partly because she never finished it. -Ah! | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
What I would love would be for you | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
to choose either to take away a copy of the incomplete novel - | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
just her words - | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
or there are some people who got to it before you did, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
and tried to complete it. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:00 | |
So you get the whole story with this one, but not necessarily the whole story that Austen herself imagined. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:06 | |
The choice is yours, Barry! | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
I don't mind reading the unfinished one, because you can put your own ending to it. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
You'd rather have the incomplete, would you? Because it's shorter? | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
Yeah, I can see me reading that. It's not going to take me too long, is it? | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
I would go for the half-finished one. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
Half-finished? Right, that's one for you. Can I ask why? | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
Because the inspiration and the character | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
came from an original author, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
and I don't see how someone else can pick it up and do the same thing. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
So the idea of the complete one is a bit of a turn-off because it's not her original...? | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
It's not her writing. Yes. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
You don't think that if the writer was sufficiently brilliant | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
they could get into the mindset of the original author, and complete it? | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
If they were that brilliant, why would they want to? Why not just do their own thing? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
You're going to give this to me? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
It's a gift from me to you, Barry! | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
-Thank you very much. -Not at all! | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
It's lovely in Eastbourne, normally! | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
-Do I get to keep this? -Yes. Enjoy it! Bye-bye. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
I'll tell you what puzzles me. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
If attempting to complete a Dickens is so controversial | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
or finishing an Austen is always going to be seen as second best, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
then, in a sense, why bother in the first place? | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
Surely it's the literary equivalent of a suicide mission? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
Or perhaps our desire as readers | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
to keep characters alive and here to the end | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
is so strong that, after all, we don't really mind? | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
Frank Kermode wrote a book called Sense Of An Ending. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
And one of the bases of what he was saying in that book is that | 0:21:40 | 0:21:46 | |
all our ideologies in the West are teleological. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
They're going somewhere - the final judgement, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
the withering away of the State if you're a Marxist. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
And so, to some extent, we're all wired for conclusions. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
Very famously, Kermode came up with the observation that | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
when we hear a clock go "tick tick tick", | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
what we hear is "tick tock", because we like beginnings and endings. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
"Every tick," he said, "is a genesis. Every tock is a feeble apocalypse." | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
That is, to some extent, how we frame our universe. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
So, we're, as it were, motivated like lemmings going over a cliff. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
We're motivated to look for endings. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
One of the principles of any art is that it's unified. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
And so they expect that all the elements in the work somehow | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
thematically or structurally relate | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
to all the other elements in the work. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
And that it'll all be tied with closure. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
-I have a plan, sir... -Really, Baldrick? A cunning and subtle one? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
Yes, sir. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
-Professor of Cunning at Oxford University? -Yes, sir. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
A work of literature takes its meaning from the ending. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
Whatever it was, I'm sure it was better than my plan | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
to get out of this by pretending to be mad. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
Who would've noticed another madman around here? | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
Blackadder Goes Forth | 0:23:09 | 0:23:10 | |
is perhaps the darkest sitcom there's ever been, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
because they all die at the end of it. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
And if you took that scene off it, it becomes a comedy, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
a lighter comedy, in which they might have survived. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
And this is important. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
So if you have an unfinished story, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
then, at quite an important level, it's meaningless. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
-Good luck, everyone. -WHISTLES BLOW -Go! | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
So we're culturally hardwired to want an ending. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
We expect closure and we desire the meaning | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
that only endings can deliver. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:57 | |
Fair enough. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
But can it ever be the case that all these ingredients are contained | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
WITHIN an unfinished novel or a painting? | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
For instance, there's the case of the famous unfinished portrait | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
of one of America's greatest presidents. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
This is a reproduction of the portrait | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
of the first American president, George Washington. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
It was begun in 1796 | 0:24:24 | 0:24:25 | |
by the charming, fashionable portrait painter, Gilbert Stuart. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
And it went on to become quite a famous image. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
It didn't have very auspicious beginnings, for two reasons. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
Firstly, the president recently had acquired a new set of false teeth, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
which meant that his jaw line bulged in a disturbing way, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
which wasn't very flattering, and Stuart had to negotiate that. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
Secondly, Stuart normally tried to liven up his sitters | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
by engaging them with repartee and banter, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
but Washington proved to be quite a dry old stick. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
He wouldn't really liven up at all until Stuart eventually | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
engaged him on the president's favourite subject of horses. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
But in spite of Stuart's efforts, the painting remained unfinished. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
In fact, at some stage, the painter just stopped trying to complete it, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
and instead put his efforts into reproducing it almost a hundred times | 0:25:17 | 0:25:22 | |
and selling it in its unfinished state. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
I'm curious as to why he did this, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
and why the portrait was so desirable nevertheless. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
So I've come to a patch of the US in the UK to find out more. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:37 | |
Thank you for inviting me into your office. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
I feel like I'm in an episode of The West Wing, but we're in Edinburgh. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
The first thing that's obvious when you come into the office | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
is there is a replica of Gilbert Stuart's famous portrait of George Washington. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
And you can see at once, even though it's cropped, the thing was never finished. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
Why do you think it was incomplete? | 0:25:54 | 0:25:55 | |
I have a theory that he didn't finish it on purpose, | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
because it did generate buzz, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
it did generate enthusiasm. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
People did pay a lot of money at that time for replicas of that painting, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
so I think it was his way of creating a commercial interest in it. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:15 | |
What does that portrait mean, if you like, to most Americans? | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
I think most people who look at portraits of George Washington, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
especially this one, because it's one of the best-known, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
probably feel a sense of pride and affection for their first president. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
And not just in an abstract or historic context, either. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
Gilbert Stuart's portrait of Washington | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
has been copied on to the one-dollar bill, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
which has been in circulation in the United States for over a century. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
As a result, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
it's now one of the most recognisable symbols of America. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
The US one-dollar bill is the most widely circulated note in America | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
and a lot of gentlemanly bets get done with that one-dollar note. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:01 | |
People with their first business frame that first note they got from their first customer. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
Do you think most Americans realise the image of George Washington | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
on the one-dollar bill is based upon a portrait that was never finished? | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
I would guess most people don't know it's an unfinished portrait, that they haven't seen the whole thing. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:19 | |
-You are American - right? -Yes. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
-So I'd like to give you this dollar bill. -Thank you! | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
What does that image mean to you? | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
That's George Washington, first president of the US. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
This is quite a famous image. Do you know what it's based on? | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
I believe it's a portrait. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
This is a reproduction of the portrait. What are your first impressions? | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
I guess I assumed it would've been a finished portrait. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
Does it seem strange that here's this iconic image, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
which is very complete on the dollar bill, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
and actually, here's this clearly incomplete sorcery? | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
I think George Washington is such a major figure in American history, | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
you can fill in the gaps, even if the portrait painter didn't have time. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
There are a lot of artistic works throughout history | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
that are incomplete. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
It's one of those unique things. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
Maybe you wish it was finished, or want to know why it wasn't, but it doesn't bother me at all. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
Now, thanks to it being used in a different context | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
on the dollar bill, it has a whole set of associations, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
a new narrative, if you like, which feels much more finished, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
even though Stuart never had any control over that whatsoever. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
Yeah, I think so. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:32 | |
I think you could probably ask millions of Americans | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
what that portrait means to them, what the dollar bill means to them | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
or what George Washington means to them | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
and you would get a million different answers. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
But yeah, I think sometimes you don't have to finish something | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
for there to be a complete story. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
With his portrait of Washington, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
Gilbert Stuart had told the story his audience needed | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
without actually finishing. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
Perhaps the very unfinished nature of the work reflected the fact | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
that all Americans knew their own story was only just beginning, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
and that, like the painting itself, their nation had a way to go. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
This sense of what constitutes the story of a work of art | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
must therefore be essential. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
Sometimes it seems that powerful meaning | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
can even trump polish and finesse. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
But how does this work with the written word? | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
Is there ever a time where a novel or a poem can feel complete | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
without being finished? | 0:29:45 | 0:29:46 | |
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
A stately pleasure dome decree | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
Through caverns measureless to man | 0:29:55 | 0:29:56 | |
Down to a sunless sea | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
So twice five miles of fertile ground | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
With walls and towers were girdled round: | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
And here were gardens bright with sinuous rills, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree; | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
And here were forests ancient as the hills, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
Kubla Khan is one of the most famous poems in the English language, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
memorable not just for its pulsing, musical originality, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
but for the opium-induced reverie in which it was conceived. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
According to Coleridge, Kubla Khan isn't actually finished at all. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
The story goes, that the entire work, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
some two or three hundred lines, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
came to him, unbidden, fully formed, in a dream, and upon awaking, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
flashing with inspiration, he sat down | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
and began transcribing this poem. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
But he only managed to get through a tantalising 54 lines | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
before he was interupted by a person on business from Porlock, he says. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
By the time that he returned to his desk, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
his majestic vision had evaporated. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
"Passed away," he wrote, "like images on the surface of a stream | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
"into which a stone is being cast." At least that's his line. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
The thing is, the whole story about this humdrum | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
mystery visitor from Porlock might just be the biggest tease | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
in English literary history. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
At the time, Coleridge considered Kubla Kahan a mere fragment | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
and not a serious work. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:42 | |
It was only published about 20 years later at the request of his friend, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
the poet, Lord Byron. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:50 | |
Andrew, Kubla Khan is such a beautiful poem, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
such a well-known poem, but this idea of its fragmentariness, | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
if we take his word, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
then he was interrupted by this fabled man from Porlock. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
I think someone once said that if anyone in the history of literature | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
deserves to be shot, it's this bloke from Porlock! | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
I mean, do you buy that story? | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
Perhaps it is an invention, but, actually, I have to say, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
it doesn't really bother me very much. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
It must be one of the best-known, best-loved poems in the entire English language, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
so people can't be feeling too cheesed off not getting what they paid for! | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
I guess the thing that intrigues me about Kubla Khan is this idea that, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
maybe it's not literally unfinished, maybe it is finished, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
-but it's masquerading as an unfinished poem. -Yeah. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
By advertising it as an unfinished poem, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
which he goes to some lengths to do, | 0:32:39 | 0:32:40 | |
he appears to want to get out of being responsible | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
for producing a more finished thing. "The dog ate my homework." | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
That would be one way of reading it. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
I think the other way of reading it, and this seems to me more important, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:53 | |
and certainly more powerfully to do with the purposes of the poem, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
is to regard it as something which, in completeness, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
is something IS the point of the poem, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
that what Coleridge is writing about is how our reach exceeds our grasp, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:08 | |
how our creative visions can never be realised entirely, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
and so on, and so forth. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
In other words, the fragmentary nature of it is the subject, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
it's not a failure, it is the subject. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
The shadow of the dome of pleasure floated midway on the waves. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
Where was heard the mingled measure, from the fountain and the caves. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:39 | |
It was a miracle of rare device, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
A sunny pleasure-dome with caves of ice! | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
For the Romantics, the creative process was something | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
mystical and elusive, it was sublime, it was almost God-like, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
so, it wasn't all that surprising if things couldn't be finished. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
In fact, it was testament to the power of imagination, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
that shadowy realm of make-believe inside all our minds, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
our heads, that you can never really tame, or transcribe, because, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
ultimately, it remains forever measureless to man. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
Another famous author left fragments behind him. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
By the time that the modernist writer Franz Kafka died in 1924, | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
he's produced manuscripts of 3 novels, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
The Castle, The Trial and Amerika, and not one of them complete. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
He left the manuscripts in the hands of his friend Max Brod, | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
with instructions to burn them, which Brod ignored. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
They're now regarded as masterpieces of 20th-century fiction, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
their fragmentary nature a reflection of an anxious | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
and uncertain modern world, where neat endings, or resolutions, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
no longer had a place. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
Obviously I'm relieved, for the sake of literary history, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
that Brod disobeyed his instructions, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
isn't there a bigger issue here? Coleridge and Gilbert Stuart, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
they knowingly published their unfinished, fragmentary works, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
but Kafka himself never intended his novels to be read. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:18 | |
It's pretty clear from everything we know about Kafka's life | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
that he wanted to have a career as a writer, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
I suspect, and it was denied him. So, in those cases it's OK. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:37 | |
I think it is very different from, a writer dies inconveniently | 0:35:37 | 0:35:43 | |
to their family and their publisher, and so they just carry on, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
in whatever way they possibly can. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
I think with The Trial we have something different, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
because I think Kafka was, in some sense, deluded, | 0:35:52 | 0:36:00 | |
or at least hugely over-pessimistic about whether this thing | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
deserved to survive. I mean, that's the point, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
he didn't think it deserved to survive, | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
and I think he's simply wrong about that. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
So, that's OK then, Kafka just got it wrong, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
we're all the beneficiaries of his misjudgement, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
but what happens when artists or writers | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
suppress works that just aren't worthy of publication? | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
What should we do when we come across those? | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
I'm on my way to meet Dr Jean Moorcroft Wilson, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
an academic who recently made an important discovery - | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
seven previously unpublished poems, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
that could completely alter our understanding | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
of the First World War poet Siegfried Sassoon. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
Sassoon, like his contemporary, Wilfred Owen, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
has always been regarded as someone | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
who was against the glorification of war. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
Instead, he felt compelled to present | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
its bleak truth to the world. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
Sassoon arrived in the trenches in November 1915. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:20 | |
His first poem, The Redeemer, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
gives a particularly unsparing account of life on the front line. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
We lugged our clay-sucked boots as best we might along the trench. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
Sometimes a bullet sang, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
and droning shells burst with a hollow bang. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
We were soaked, chilled and wretched, every one. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
Darkness, the distant wink of a huge gun. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
Dr Moorcroft Wilson's discovery was of a series of Sassoon's | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
unfinished poems that were out of character, to say the least. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
One in particular, in contrast to his other work of the time, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
depicts war very differently. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
This one, Glory 1916, I think, was unpublished | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
partly because it was unfinished. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Certain decisions hadn't been made, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
and certain lines have been duplicated with different versions. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
But also because, he perhaps didn't want to be viewed as a man | 0:38:22 | 0:38:27 | |
who hadn't been firm in his movement towards anti-war poetry. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:32 | |
When you say they hadn't been published, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
this is his own self-censorship, effectively? | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
He'd written these poems during the war, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
and he'd deliberately decided to suppress the poems you've discovered? | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
That's all I can conclude. I don't know. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
I can't... I'm not in Sassoon's mind. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
But I would assume that that is the case, yes. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
Because it's not a bad poem, in fact, it's a rather nice poem. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
Can we have a look at it? | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
Yes, of course we can. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
So this is a facsimile of the diary itself? | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
Yes. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:01 | |
This is a facsimile and the poem is opposite the entry for Jan 25th. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:08 | |
You and the winds ride out together. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
Your company the world's great weather. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
The clouds your plume. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
The glittering sky a host of swords in harmony, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
with the whole loveliness of light, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
flung forth to lead you through the fight. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
So he's been in the trenches at this point... | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
Yes, he's been in the trenches. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
..And he's written about the experience as in a poem, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
like The Redeemer, which feels quite nightmarish, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
and he's suddenly writing glorified war poems? | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
Yes, and he's comparing himself and his young companion, | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
who happens to be the man he's in love with in real life, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
his young companion, to Sir Galahad. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
So, here he is writing Glory 1916. I could hardly believe it! | 0:39:46 | 0:39:52 | |
I had imagined, in my simplicity, that the line | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
went from glorying war to criticising war, but it doesn't. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
It goes backwards, forwards, backwards, forwards. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
You're a far cry from a tabloid journalist | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
rummaging around in someone's bins, but in literary biography, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
is this in any way similar? | 0:40:08 | 0:40:09 | |
Essentially, you've found these private notes and diaries | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
and poems which Sassoon didn't want to see the light of day, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
and effectively you are championing them and bringing them out, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
and allowing people to engage with them, read them, know them. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
That's going to change our understanding of Sassoon. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
Is that a morally right thing to do? | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
I think you're assuming that because he didn't want them published | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
means that he didn't want them seen. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
I don't think he thought they were worthy of publication | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
because the others were perhaps better. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
I think we're really only adding to our knowledge of Sassoon | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
when we publish this. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
And don't forget we only do so with the permission of his family. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:52 | |
We like to think of our artists | 0:40:52 | 0:40:53 | |
and writers as following career trajectories as they develop. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
But this suggests something very different. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
As a biographer, I love the fact that it suggests something very different. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
I much prefer it if he gives me a surprise. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
And this gives me the sense that I don't know Sassoon | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
as thoroughly as I thought I did. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
Good. I'm glad about that. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
It means I can go on indefinitely writing biographies of Siegfried Sassoon. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
You know, thinking about Siegfried Sassoon has made me reconsider | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
our whole attitude to unfinished works of art and literature. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
Because the poem Glory 1916 to me, just seems to creak a bit. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:40 | |
All that Arthurian rhetoric just feels false | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
and fanciful compared to the blunt and much earthier power | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
of other poems from the same period like The Redeemer. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:50 | |
So perhaps Sassoon didn't want to publish it for a reason. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
And perhaps we should respect those wishes? | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
Perhaps we don't automatically have the right to publish | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
an author's unfinished work after all. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
I always argue for publishing art | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
even when it isn't as good as it might be. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
There are two alternatives. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
One is that we destroy it, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
that we actually burn the manuscript ourselves, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
in which case I think we're basically Nazis. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
Or we lock it away in an archive | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
and what we say is only scholars can have access to it, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
only the rich can have access to it | 0:42:31 | 0:42:32 | |
because they can get on a plane and fly across the world to the archive. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
Or even if the archive becomes for sale, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
then private collectors can have it and really lock it away. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
So, actually publishing is a far more democratic mode | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
that says this will be available to anyone that can come up with a tenner | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
and then again we can make distinctions, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
we can make judgement calls about what its value might be. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:57 | |
There is a tendency to think that the dead person would have wanted what most suits us. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:02 | |
For example, Ernest Hemingway. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
Books have appeared posthumously | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
which he would never have imagined existing. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
They come from collections of notes or things that he left unfinished | 0:43:11 | 0:43:16 | |
and somebody else has shaped them into a book. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
I think you have to be so, so careful with that. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
In fact, I think it is wrong | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
because that is a form of literary necrophilia | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
in which you are completely altering the shape of an artist's life. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:35 | |
Literary necrophilia could also describe the phenomenon | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
of extending a writer's body of work after their death. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
I'm not talking about cobbling together notebooks or unfinished works. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:55 | |
I'm talking about hiring writers to create entirely new stories. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:59 | |
Recently, both Sherlock Holmes | 0:44:01 | 0:44:02 | |
and James Bond have been reincarnated to die another day. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:07 | |
Call me cynical but I'm assuming the reasons for extending franchises like that | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
are ultimately financial, commercial. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
The man I want to ask about this is Jonny Geller, | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
a literary agent who works here in central London. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
He looks after on of the biggest estates of them all, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
that of Ian Fleming, author of James Bond. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
MUSIC: "James Bond" by Scouting For Girls | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
# 007, Britain's finest secret agent, licensed to kill | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
# Mixing business with girls and thrills | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
# I've seen you walk the screen It's you that I adore | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
# Since I was a boy I've wanted to be like Roger Moore | 0:44:51 | 0:44:56 | |
# A girl in every port And gadgets up my sleeve | 0:44:56 | 0:45:01 | |
# The world is not enough For the both of us it seems | 0:45:01 | 0:45:06 | |
# So I wish I was James Bond Just for the day | 0:45:06 | 0:45:11 | |
# Kissing all the girls Blow the bad guys away... # | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
There's a tradition of inviting great writers to carry on the character | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
and the role of the estate and my help | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
is to try and keep the integrity of the character alive | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
with really the intention that people go back | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
to those great novels that he wrote. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
Bond saw luck as a woman, to be softly wooed | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
or brutally ravaged, never pandered to or pursued. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
But he was honest enough that he had never yet been made to suffer by cards or women. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:47 | |
One day, he accepted the fact | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
he would be brought to his knees by love or by luck. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
When you say "integrity of the character", do you mean | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
literally how we think about James Bond | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
or Ian Fleming's prose style? Because they could be slightly different things. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
It's mixture of both. Ian Fleming's prose style - | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
so that it's not written in a completely different way | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
because modern thrillers have a completely different tone and pace. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
And the other side of it is would James Bond, | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
in the way Ian Fleming wrote it, have done this thing? | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
How consistent is that with the character? | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
How do you go about choosing the writers who become Ian Fleming? | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
Actually, fundamentally a love of Ian Fleming's writing. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
There's no point just hiring someone who just thinks it'll be a good opportunity | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
because it will show through. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:38 | |
And every writer who has done the Ian Fleming continuation | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
including Charlie Higson who had a very successful series of Young Bond, | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
they grew up reading Ian Fleming and they love it. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
That is genuine and it comes through in the writing. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
You can't do this cynically, strangely. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
Very often authors finish a work | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
and then find that their audiences, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
their readerships won't let them finish it. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
So, for instance, Conan Doyle kills Sherlock Holmes, | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
has him fall in a fatal embrace into the Reichenbach Falls with Professor Moriarty | 0:47:10 | 0:47:18 | |
But then of course the readership, the Holmesians, | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
those who feel that life is meaningless | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
unless they have the sleuth of 221B Baker Street, demand that he comes back. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:31 | |
So he's brought back from the dead. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:33 | |
Sherlock is another character who seems to resist endings. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:44 | |
Having survived his own fictional death, | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
and that of his creator Conan Doyle, he's back. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
After almost a century, he's here again, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
re-born in Anthony Horowitz's new Sherlock mystery, The House of Silk. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
"Indeed, Watson. But there is one thing | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
"I would particularly like to know, | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
"for I am beginning to see great danger in this situation." | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
He glanced at the fountain of the stone figures in the frozen circle of water. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
"I wonder if Mrs Catherine Carstairs is able to swim?" | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
It's interesting that Holmes, Bond, they're genre fiction. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:19 | |
Genre fiction, even more than literary fiction, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
depends on the construction of believable characters. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
It's always character-driven. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
That means we get to know and like the characters. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
We do not want them killed off. We are cross if they are killed off. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
So, there's a kind of Houdini-like thing. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
What does Conan Doyle have to do to kill Sherlock Holmes? | 0:48:38 | 0:48:43 | |
How deep an abyss does he have to fall into not to be able to crawl out again? | 0:48:43 | 0:48:48 | |
It's absolutely fascinating. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
However completed a story be, we imagine what happens after it. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
Imagining what happens after it | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
is one of our most important responses to a story that has really gripped us. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:06 | |
You get to the end of The Odyssey and Odysseus is home | 0:49:06 | 0:49:12 | |
and he kills his rivals and he's back with his wife. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
End of story. Perhaps the greatest story even told. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
But for many people over the centuries, | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
it's not necessarily the end. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
Tennyson wrote a wonderful poem, Ulysses. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
Imagine what it would then be like for this epic hero after the end. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:33 | |
Because how could such a person settle down to suburban existence in Ithaca? | 0:49:33 | 0:49:39 | |
I feel quite nostalgic looking at these books in front of me. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
I didn't actually own these precise copies when I was little | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
but they're representative of a particular genre I enjoyed. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:51 | |
Adventure books in which you, as a kid reading the book, shaped the narrative. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:56 | |
So here are several examples. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
And one of the big things about these books is that they have many different endings. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:03 | |
Loads of different endings, tens of different endings. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
This one says choose from 28 endings. There's one here that has 39 endings. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:10 | |
There are as many as 42 endings. Look how small that book is. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
It must be nothing but endings, in a sense. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
I think part of the reason these appealed to me so much | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
is that... I'm trying to think of the purest, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
most innocent aesthetic response you could have ever | 0:50:24 | 0:50:28 | |
and it would have been when you're reading a book as a kid | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
and you're utterly immersed in that imaginary world that the author has created | 0:50:31 | 0:50:36 | |
and you don't want it to end. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:37 | |
The beauty of these adventure books is that they never really did have to end. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
You could almost anticipate when the narrative was trying to shape your response | 0:50:41 | 0:50:46 | |
and create an ending and you could defer it. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
You could deliberately complicate the narrative | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
so that it would never come to a conclusion. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
But, actually, as an adult these days it's no different. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:08 | |
Perhaps now the idea of never finishing, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
never letting go of our favourite characters | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
is as hard-wired into our narrative expectations | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
as the need for endings and closure was in Dickens' time. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
In fact, you begin to wonder if Dickens were alive today, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
whether he would be allowed to finish ANYTHING | 0:51:27 | 0:51:29 | |
or, like the writers of the Archers or EastEnders, | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
he'd be forever delivering endings that set up new beginnings. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:38 | |
One of the great unfinished works of art, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
and obviously I would claim it as this, is Coronation Street. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
That sense that you get the feeling it's never going to end. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
Corrie, EastEnders, Brookside in its day | 0:51:46 | 0:51:51 | |
or Frasier, Friends, whatever it is. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:56 | |
The point about these are that they're people. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
They become part of our lives, | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
we want them back and we won't let them go. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:06 | |
The television series promises the most, | 0:52:06 | 0:52:11 | |
I believe, remarkable expansion of the storytelling arts ever in history | 0:52:11 | 0:52:18 | |
and this ability to get it in a book or a box and download it | 0:52:18 | 0:52:24 | |
and watch at your convenience | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
and watch it season after season, hundreds of hours of material. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:34 | |
If the writers can create characters that are fascinating | 0:52:34 | 0:52:39 | |
and empathetic over a long period of years like that, | 0:52:39 | 0:52:44 | |
then the complexity of story will rival life. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:48 | |
Arguably the most influential TV drama series of the noughties, | 0:52:52 | 0:52:57 | |
described as the greatest pop culture masterpiece of its day, | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
The Sopranos was a story of everyday mafia folk. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
Tony Soprano wrestled with the conflicting demands | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
of being a mobster as well as an ordinary family man. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
The series lasted almost a decade before it ran out of steam. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:17 | |
Tony Soprano keeps fascinating us over and over | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
cos he's got relationships with his family, his professional family, | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
the FBI, the ducks on his pond, his psychiatrist, all of his mistresses. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:33 | |
And because of this incredible cast of characters, | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
Tony Soprano is endlessly surprising, | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
endlessly revealing. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
And just when you think you know Tony Soprano, you really don't. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
Until you do. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:45 | |
And when they reached that point after eight years, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
he was exhausted. There was nothing left in Tony to expose. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:54 | |
The series conclusion was feverishly anticipated. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
Would Tony finally get clipped? | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
A mafia assassination seemed on the cards | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
but it was a show that continually defied expectations. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
So what did happen to Tony Soprano? | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
Strangely, even after the final credits rolled, | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
many felt that the story was left unfinished. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
Those craving some kind of conclusion, | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
which they felt they deserved after eight years of watching this particular programme. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
They thought they didn't get it. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
For those of us weaned on Twin Peaks and The Prisoner, | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
programmes like this that ended without ending | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
but in a funny sort of way opened up all sorts of possibilities, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
it was the perfect happy ending. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:40 | |
I'm on my way to meet the British film director Mike Figgis | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
just to have a chat about that famously controversial ending of The Sopranos | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
because he directed a single episode in season five | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
and I'd love to hear his take. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:53 | |
I think he's... Ah, perfect. Thank you. He's just in here. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
Thanks. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:00 | |
I mean, obviously you didn't direct the final episode, | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
but it's famously controversial and I'd love to hear your take on it. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
Press play. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
In the final scene, the Soprano family are due to meet for dinner in their favourite restaurant. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
There's an uneasy sense, as there has been throughout the series, | 0:55:23 | 0:55:28 | |
that there may be a price to pay for Tony's violent Mafia lifestyle. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
Despite the apparent normality of the diner, the camerawork suggests | 0:55:32 | 0:55:37 | |
that every character who swims into vision could be an assassin. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:42 | |
Mm, onion rings... | 0:55:46 | 0:55:47 | |
Because we'd been brought up on The Godfather and Scorsese's Mean Streets and all the rest of it, | 0:55:47 | 0:55:54 | |
we understand the film genre called, you know, the Mafia. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
We expect them to get it. | 0:55:58 | 0:55:59 | |
And actually, given the history of The Sopranos, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
we expect them to get it in the most horrifically bloodthirsty way. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
The minute we see cars having a hard time parking, and backing in, | 0:56:06 | 0:56:14 | |
we expect a car bomb, or we expect someone to get out and go, | 0:56:14 | 0:56:18 | |
"Lady, can I give you a hand?" And then bombs through the window. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
You know what the shot will look like. It'll be shattered glass, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
blood sprayed on the glass. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:25 | |
There's only a small number of cliches about how Mafia killings are depicted in film. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:31 | |
As if the tension weren't ramped up enough, there's also the knowledge | 0:56:31 | 0:56:36 | |
that in a matter of minutes, the end must come | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
and the show must finish. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
MUSIC: "Don't Stop Believing" by Journey | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
Focus on the good times. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:45 | |
Don't be sarcastic. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:46 | |
The song that is used at the end of the entire programme | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
is Don't Stop Believing, the Journey version. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
And it actually ends on "don't stop". | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
You know, "stop" is the last word. And I do love that because it's using the classic example | 0:56:56 | 0:57:01 | |
of the song that would always be used for a big, joyous, climactic, | 0:57:01 | 0:57:05 | |
happy ending, closure, resolution. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
But it's using it at the exact moment...well, the exact opposite. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
# Street light people | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
# Oh-oh | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
# Don't stop... # | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
Whoa! | 0:57:22 | 0:57:23 | |
I've never seen that before. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
But I can see why it's controversial. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
How much more satisfying that was in the long term. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
-Why is it more satisfying? -Because we're still talking about it. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:35 | |
If you can come up with a device | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
where you, the writer, director and so on, the creators of this, | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 | |
can take the audience to somewhere where, almost like they close the last minute, | 0:57:41 | 0:57:45 | |
then your imagination can continue with those characters. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:48 | |
And somewhere in that virtual film space, we can conjecture ourselves, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:53 | |
rather like reading a book, what may or may not have happened to all of them. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:58 | |
# Somewhere in the night... # | 0:57:58 | 0:58:03 | |
So, is that it? | 0:58:03 | 0:58:05 | |
Today we have never-endings rather than conclusions. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
I think so. I get the sense that in the 21st century, | 0:58:08 | 0:58:13 | |
we want to keep the story expanding and keep the conversation going. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:18 | |
# Don't stop believing | 0:58:18 | 0:58:22 | |
# Hold on to that feeling | 0:58:22 | 0:58:26 | |
# Street light people | 0:58:26 | 0:58:31 | |
# Don't stop... # | 0:58:34 | 0:58:36 | |
# Street light people | 0:58:42 | 0:58:45 | |
# Oh-oh | 0:58:45 | 0:58:49 | |
# Don't stop believing | 0:58:49 | 0:58:52 | |
# Hold on to that feeling | 0:58:52 | 0:58:56 | |
# Street light people... # | 0:58:56 | 0:59:00 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 0:59:00 | 0:59:03 |