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In this former fishing village of Laugharne, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
is the shed where Dylan Thomas wrote his masterwork - | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
Under Milk Wood. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:10 | |
"To begin at the beginning." | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
This is legendary pop artist Sir Peter Blake. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
"It is spring, moonless night in the small town..." | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
And this is West London studio. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
Early art by Sir Peter defined an era. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
For more than 25 years, Sir Peter has been producing artworks | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
inspired by the words of Under Milk Wood. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
"See the titbits and topsyturvies, bobs and button tops, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:45 | |
"bags and bones, ash and rind and dandruff and nail parings, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:50 | |
"saliva and snowflakes and moulted feathers of dreams." | 0:00:50 | 0:00:55 | |
Take these words and interpret them, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
and that's precisely what he's done. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
"The dead come out in their Sunday best. Listen to the night breaking." | 0:01:00 | 0:01:06 | |
This extraordinary body of work includes | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
over 60 portraits of every character in the Dylan Thomas Play For Voices. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:14 | |
-"There's a husband for you. -Bad as his father. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
-"And you know where he ended. -In the asylum." | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
There are 27 watercolour dream sequences. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
"'Don't spank me, please, teacher,' whimpers his wife at his side." | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
Peter wants to love and adore the subject of his work. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:36 | |
That's important to him. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:37 | |
There are 50 new collages. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
"Nearly asleep in the field of nanny goats who hum | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
"and gently butt the sun, she blows love on a puffball." | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
And when words do that kind of lyrical thing, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
like they do in Under Milk Wood, it does kind of grab hold of you | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
and as an artist, you want to visualise it. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
It was the difficulty and impossibleness | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
that finally made it so exciting. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
But the Dylan Thomas centenary is approaching. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
An exhibition at the National Museum of Wales of Sir Peter's Under Milk Wood artworks | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
means a deadline on Peter's never-ending obsession. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
Sir Peter's London studio is a collection of past obsessions, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
from Elvis to Marilyn, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
from boxers to badges. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
But the words of Under Milk Wood appear to have cast | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
the ultimate spell. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:03 | |
I've probably played it 200, 300 times. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
"And all the people of the lulled and dumbfound town are sleeping now." | 0:03:11 | 0:03:17 | |
I've worn out about 30 pairs of scissors. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
But in spite of a museum curator and a publisher | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
breathing down Peter's neck, many of his artworks remain to be completed. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:34 | |
Word of Sir Peter's Under Milk Wood inspired art is spreading. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
'Right now it's Cerys.' | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
I've come across this artist who's as obsessed, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
probably more obsessed than me, about Dylan Thomas. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
In fact, he has had this project going for over 25 years, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
that is Peter Blake. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Cerys Matthews has long been a champion of the Dylan Thomas legacy. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
I know it might be a never-ending journey, this. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
The best art never gets finished, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
it just has to be put out where you can get it. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
Absolutely tremendous stuff. Louis Armstrong, Potato Head Blues... | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
Under Milk Wood begins in the pre-dawn hours of a village | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
where its inhabitants are introduced by their surreal dreams. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
"Young girls lie bedded soft or glide in their dreams, with rings and trousseaux, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:34 | |
"bridesmaided by glow-worms down the aisles of the organ playing wood." | 0:04:34 | 0:04:40 | |
It became a work of art rather than illustrations to a book | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
with a deadline. It went beyond that. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
Sir Peter's consuming passion for Under Milk Wood | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
began in 1986 with a modest proposal from book designer Michael Mitchell. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:57 | |
He was going to illustrate it with, say, a dozen wood engravings. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
He had turned it into really quite a considerable obsession | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
for a very busy man. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
It reached a point where I needed to go Laugharne | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
to take some photographs and just to see Laugharne, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
see this town that Llareggub was based on. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
It was during Sir Peter's first visit to Laugharne in 1986, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
accompanied by Michael Mitchell, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
that the Under Milk Wood obsession unexpectedly took root. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
While we were wandering around the town, we went into the bookshop | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
and to everyone's surprise, found Dylan Thomas's widow there. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:44 | |
It was the first time she had been back for Laugharne for 30 years. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
She had left Laugharne when Dylan Thomas died, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
never gone back until that day, and there she was in the bookshop. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
Caitlin Thomas was there to promote a new memoir | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
about life with Dylan Thomas. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
I mean, it is beyond understanding, really. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
And Peter saw this as a wonderful omen, so off we went. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:10 | |
It was as if Dylan Thomas was egging Peter on from the grave. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:16 | |
Somebody has left £1 and a penny. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
Tourists are used to throwing money into fountains and things. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
Laugharne was a remote and isolated fishing village | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
when Dylan Thomas first visited in 1934. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
I think that Dylan Thomas arrived in Laugharne | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
and felt quite at home, because he was a character | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
and here was a town full of characters as well. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
Laugharne was one of the inspirations | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
for Thomas's fictional town of Llareggub. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
I wonder if we are on Llareggub Hill here. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
You wonder whether this is what he would've looked up at from the boathouse. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
Eventually, Dylan and his wife Caitlin moved into this cliff-side boathouse. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:05 | |
Laugharne is a quirky place. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
Dylan called it this beguiling island of a town. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
Years ago, the whole community would meet up in the Brown's Hotel | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
and it was like having a party every weekend. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
"'Dancing isn't natural!' | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
"Righteously says Cherry Owen who has just downed 17 pints of flat, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
"warm, thin Welsh bitter beer." | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
Laugharne locals are believed to have inspired | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
some of the characters in Under Milk Wood. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
When Mr Thomas used to visit us here, he used to always tell me | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
that he were writing a play and I would be in that play. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
I would ask him, "What is the premise of it?" | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
"Oh, you wait and see." | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
"'Oh, you cat butcher!' | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
-"'Yesterday we had mole.' -'Oh, Lily! Lily!' | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
"'Monday, otter. Tuesday, shrews.' | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
"'Go on, Mrs Beynon! He's the biggest liar in town.'" | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
"And the inspectors of cruelty fly down to Mrs Butcher Beynon's dream | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
"to persecute Mr Beynon for selling owl meat, dogs' eyes, man chop." | 0:08:14 | 0:08:20 | |
He struggled to get the metres of the poetry just perfect. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
It's like a game, like a science, right? | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
Most of his poetry he had to read out loud in that writing shed. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
It's the sound of the poetry. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
If you walked past there and he was still there today, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
you'd hear this crazy man repeating his poetry | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
and getting it just right. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
"Only you can see in the blinded bedrooms, the combs | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
"and petticoats over the chairs, the jugs and basins, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
"the glasses of teeth, 'Thou shalt not,' on the wall | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
"and the yellowing dickie bird watching pictures of the dead." | 0:09:00 | 0:09:05 | |
The musicality in his work is just astonishing. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
He was probably the world's first hip-hop artist, without knowing it himself. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
"'Help!" cries organ Morgan, the organist in his dream. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
"'There is perturbation in music and Coronation Street | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
"'and the babies singing opera.'" | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
Don't want to spoil it, so I don't want... | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
"The cows from Sunday Meadow ring like reindeer | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
"and on the roof of Handel Villa, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:35 | |
"see the women's welfare hoofing, bloomered in the moon." | 0:09:35 | 0:09:41 | |
"Hoofing bloomered in the moon." | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
I'm sure if I listen to it again in a minute, I'd find another image. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:56 | |
The more I read it, the more layers there are | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
and there's extraordinary, kind of, innuendo. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
-Hello, Geoff. -'Yes.' -How are you? -'I'm good.' | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
Jeff is Jeff Towns, a friend of Peter's | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
and the ultimate Dylan Thomas know-it-all. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
Oh, how wonderful! | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
The first ever LP of Under Milk Wood was that. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
Jeff has collected almost every edition and translation | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
of Under Milk Wood since it was first published in 1954. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
It's been printed everywhere, so there are Danish and Yiddish... | 0:10:31 | 0:10:38 | |
He has got a tattoo inspired by a Dylan Thomas poem. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
He lives in a house where Dylan Thomas used to stay | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
and even drives across Wales in a mobile bookstore | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
filled with books about Dylan Thomas. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
Under Milk Wood is set in a Welsh sounding town called Llareggub. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
If you spell it backwards, it's "bugger all." | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
So, if you are researching sexual undertone in Under Milk Wood, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
Jeff should know where to look. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
I mean, obviously there's something going on when Nogood Boyo | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
is out in the boat, there's kind of dreams and apparitions. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:17 | |
Clearly there is a lot of sexual innuendo going on | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
and I've picked up on a lot of it, but I wonder if you'd do me a favour | 0:11:21 | 0:11:27 | |
and if you go through and find all the sexual innuendo you can. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:34 | |
-It's an odd request, I know. -'It's a wonderful challenge!' | 0:11:34 | 0:11:40 | |
That I think is the very latest edition, a copy of it done | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
for kids in school, but interestingly it's not been censored. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
It's still got all the innuendos that you would want to be in there, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
so it's a kids' edition with the full text. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
It's not pornographic, it's earthy. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
When you look at the text, and I have looked at it very hard | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
and Peter has looked at it even harder, the innuendo | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
and the double-entendre and the downright filth is on every page. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
"Tall as the town clock tower, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
"Samson-syrup-gold-maned, whacking thighed and piping hot. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
"'Ooh! You old mogul!'" | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
He got away with blue murder, I think. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
"'Don't spank me, please, teacher!' whimpered his wife at his side. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:31 | |
"But every night of her married life, she has been late for school." | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
Obviously she was into a little bit of mild S&M | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
and Pete has illustrated that and it's there in the text. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
"Only your eyes are unclosed to see the black and folded town fast and slow asleep." | 0:12:46 | 0:12:53 | |
"In Butcher Beynon's, Gossamer Beynon, daughter, school teacher, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
"dreaming deep, daintily ferrets | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
"under a fluttering hammock of chickens' feathers." | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
"In a slaughterhouse that has chintz curtains | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
"and a three-piece suite and finds, with no surprise, a small, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:16 | |
"gruff, ready man with a bushy tail winking in the paper carrier." | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
You are not even illustrating literature. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
You're illustrating the kind of barminess of poetry. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
"Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
"Time passes. Listen. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
"Time passes. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
"And the dawn inches up." | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
Eventually, all the dreaming characters in Under Milk Wood | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
wake up. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:52 | |
The poem unfolds as one day in the life | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
of a seemingly mad fishing village. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
The whole point about Dylan Thomas is this universal voice he has. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
Having travelled the world as a musician for all of my adult life, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
you go off any main route and find a small town, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
you're going to find mad places like Laugharne. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
By the late 1950s, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
the madness of Llareggub was already inspiring art students. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
When I was a student at the Royal College, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
some of the Welsh students did paintings about it. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
That's how I was introduced to it | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
and then I became interested in it later on. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
As a young British artist in the 1960s, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
Peter Blake's pop imagery and collages defined a generation. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
# Substitute your lies for fact... # | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
I can remember when I sat and wrote my first three or four songs | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
for The Who, I had Peter's pictures cut out of books | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
and magazines on my wall. That's what I wanted to live with, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
that was the image that I felt informed the way I wanted to write. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
I know there were chevrons on one of them. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
# ..I'm a substitute for another guy... # | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
And I had a picture of a self-portrait, I think it was, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
of him with medals. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
# ..I look pretty young But I'm just back-dated, yeah... # | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
With respect to Peter's work, I didn't think "album cover". | 0:15:28 | 0:15:34 | |
What I thought was "clothing". | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
In 1967, Peter was commissioned to design an album cover | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
for The Beatles. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
It would turn out to be one of the most influential rock albums | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
and one of the most memorable album covers in history. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
My main contribution was to make this kind of magical crowd. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
By using cut-outs and hand colouring them, the crowd could be anybody. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
So I asked all The Beatles to make a list of their heroes | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
and I made a list of mine, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
and amongst John's list was Dylan Thomas. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
This kind of magical crowd, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
which is something I've used again and again. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
"Down with the waltzing and the skipping!" | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
There are lots of crowd scenes in Under Milk Wood. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
"Dancing isn't natural!" | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
At the dance is a crowd and emerging from the dead is a crowd. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
"Dancing Williams. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
"Still dancing. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:49 | |
"Rosie, with God. She has forgotten dying..." | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
One of Peter's artist friends from the '60s | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
has dropped by his studio to see some of his newest artworks. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
Good to see you, mate. You find it all right? | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
Everybody gets lost coming here. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
He also happens to moonlight as a guitar player | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
for the Rolling Stones. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
It's like an organised version of my studio. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
Organised being the operative word. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
I just moved in here yesterday because I come in | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
and work in here in the winter. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
-Is that Sonny Liston? -Yes. -I thought so. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
-I have a signed glove from him. -Do you? -Given to me by Muhammad Ali. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
Before a glimpse of some of Peter's Under Milk Wood artworks, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
Ronnie gets the Peter Blake studio museum tour. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
-These are two of the cut-outs from Sgt Pepper. -That's Maxie boy. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
That's a painter called Richard Lindner. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
It's nice to see another fellow artist mix in the musical world. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
He's not a musician himself, Peter, but he is very akin to a musician. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:55 | |
So these are the unfinished ones. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
-They are the two old people who look like kippers in a box. -Flattened. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
"At the sea end of town, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:02 | |
"Mr and Mrs Floyd, the cocklers, are sleeping as quiet as death, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
"side by wrinkled side, toothless, salt and brown, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
"like two old kippers in a box." | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
-A wonderful challenge, innit? -Extraordinary. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
It must have been over at least 28 years or more. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
Some of mine remain unfinished | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
because I just can't get that last little bit in place | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
and I think, "Well, I'm not going to get hung up over that." | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
I carry on with the new one I've started, or | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
I've got one in my head that I can't sleep over and then get up and do it, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
-and then go back to bed. -And then come back to it maybe a year later. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:41 | |
This one is the dead coming out of the grave, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
so it's a bit like the Stanley Spencer resurrection. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
"Through the voyages of his tears, he sails to see the dead. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
"'Dancing Williams. Still dancing.'" | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
There are people crying, people upset, there are people obviously | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
having a great time when they died and they've just come | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
out of the graves and carried on kind of dancing about. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
"The dead come out in their Sunday best. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
"Listen to the night breathing." | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
It's very surreal. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:19 | |
I think it's not too far removed from that kind of Wizard Of Oz, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:24 | |
Alice in Wonderland... | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
um... | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
mood-altering chemicals and drugs and mushrooms and acid | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
and alcohol-induced thoughts. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
That's the one, without any explanation, he says, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:45 | |
"Be careful there, angels, with your knives and forks." | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
"Wedding-ring waist and bust like a black-cloth dining table | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
"suffers in her stays. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
"'Oh, angels, be careful there with your knives and forks.'" | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
I think this is one of my kind of ruralist hippie garments | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
that I now wear as a painting jacket rather than a shirt. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
The thing that will make it look like Dylan Thomas will be | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
somewhere around the mouth. I'm not sure yet what it is, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
whether it's a shadow on that side or a little highlight of some kind | 0:20:19 | 0:20:24 | |
on the lip, but right at the very end that happens and, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
hopefully, it's at that point that it really looks suddenly like him. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:33 | |
Peter will never know what Dylan Thomas thinks about his artworks, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
but he is about to find out from Dylan's granddaughter Hannah | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
what she thinks. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:43 | |
-Hannah. How are you? Nice to meet you. -I'm so sorry. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
That's OK. Everybody gets lost. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
I like...the little bow tie there | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
because it is giving it a little bit of character. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
A bit of detail, yes. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
You have caught the hair colour as well because... | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
Just like a casting director for a film, Sir Peter has drawn | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
portraits of every character who appears in Under Milk Wood. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
It's difficult because obviously you have an image of yourself. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
That's what's interesting, isn't it? | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
-I'm assuming that's Polly Garter. -No. -Lily Smalls, maybe? -No. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:25 | |
It's... | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
The images Peter drew were his ideas of what the characters looked like, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
but I have a very different idea of what the characters look like. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
I'm going to look at which one is Captain Cat now. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
-That must be Captain Cat. -Yes. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
"I'll tell you the truth. Seas barking like seals, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:50 | |
"blue seas and green, seas covered with eels and mermen and whales." | 0:21:50 | 0:21:57 | |
"# What seas did you sail? | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
"# Old whaler, when...? # | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
"Lie down, lie easy. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
"Let me shipwreck in your thighs." | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
He's not trying to disguise the fact that these are copies | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
of photographs, because you can tell from the drawings that he has done | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
that they are from photographs. They are real people. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
"Me, Lord Cut-Glass, in an old frock coat belonged to Eli Jenkins | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
"and a pair of postman's trousers from Bethesda Jumble." | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
Many of the portraits have anonymous origins, but not all. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
If you went through it as a game, you could find these elements. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
So one of the women is Terry Wogan for instance, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
so it's Terry Wogan's face but he is wearing a woman's hat. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
There is one character who has more than a passing resemblance | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
to Humphrey Bogart. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
Another, Beryl Bainbridge. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
Captain Cat is wearing my beard. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
It's someone else's face and someone else's hat, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
it's just my beard, so that's kind of a self-portrait, I guess. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
Like when you look at a Rembrandt painting, he's got | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
assistants playing the characters or somebody else. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
You never get a painting where somebody... | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
Even Bacon, where you have these ugly, grotesque heads, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
he's still getting an image from a newspaper and putting it in there. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
It's collage and how do you create reality and believability. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
"A green leaved sermon on the innocence of men. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:30 | |
"The suddenly wind-shaken wood springs awake | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
"for the second dark time. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
"This one spring day." | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
In all those collages, there's a kind of place | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
and then are things and then there are people and they are | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
in a kind of between two-dimensional and three-dimensional space. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
They're not flat. I mean, they are flat. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
If you turn them that way, it's a line of paper | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
and they are made from paper, a lot of them. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
But I think he touches on the real world and the dream world | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
and he kind of links the two. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
Under Milk Wood was never completed. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
I don't think Under Milk Wood would ever have been completed | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
because my grandfather would have kept wanting to add things | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
and improve it, and any good writer will want to look back | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
years later and think, "I could have done better," | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
and I suspect the same is with Peter. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
With Hannah in his studio, Peter's curiosity about the death | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
of her grandfather got the better of him. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
The pressure of people, you know... | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
I think there was an awful lot of pressure. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
He was in New York and he had a tour with vast amounts of reading | 0:24:33 | 0:24:39 | |
and work to be done and he still hadn't finished Under Milk Wood | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
-and it was due to go on. -Thirty-something? | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
39, just a few years older than me, which is very strange. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
-I should know this, but was he ill? -Yes, he had... | 0:24:47 | 0:24:52 | |
He had terrible bronchial pneumonia and I don't think he was eating. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
He was drinking more than he should do. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
People assume he died of drink, don't they? | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
I think he didn't die of alcohol poisoning. Probably the fact he was | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
drinking more and drinking whisky rather than beer and not eating. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
There was a doctor who gave him morphine, which was helping him | 0:25:11 | 0:25:17 | |
get through really, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:18 | |
but the injection had the impact of slowing his breathing, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
which then had the impact of having less oxygen going to his brain. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
-He was in hospital by then? -No, this was before. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
So, basically, the oxygen didn't go to his brain | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
and many, many things happened. It was a tragedy really. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:38 | |
Death is one of the many themes that permeate the quirky | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
and eccentric town of Llareggub. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
"Less than 500 souls inhabit the three quaint streets | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
"and the few narrow bylanes and scattered farmsteads that | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
"constitute this small, decaying watering place, | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
"which may indeed be called a bad water of life without | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
"disrespect to its natives who possess, to this day, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
"a salty individuality of their own. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
"The River Dewi is said to abound in trout, but is much poached. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
"The one place of worship, with its neglected graveyard, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
"is of no architectural interest." | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
The people that were in Under Milk Wood and in his poetry, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
they are still around today. You just have to look. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
Different to my Captain Cat, but very good. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
Underneath all this is me. It is actually my body. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
John Bradshaw, the mayor of Laugharne, may be the only | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
person in the world to model for and perform the part of elderly | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
Captain Cat and to also have once played a child character in Under Milk Wood. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
I was in the first live performance done in Laugharne in 1958. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
-As a child? -As a child, yes. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
But someone like Captain Cat would have been a professional seafarer | 0:27:09 | 0:27:15 | |
in the merchant Navy presumably. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:16 | |
Laugharne was certainly full of those. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
There were lots of retired sea captains living in the main street. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
-Oh, really? -The big Georgian houses. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
I think it was a place that people retired to. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
"From where you are, you can hear their dreams. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
"Steaming Gossamer and strip her to the nipples and the bees." | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
It's a long time for Peter to be working on this project. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
It's a good obsession. There are a lot worse obsessions to have. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
Obsessions and deadlines don't always get along, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
but for the museum exhibition of his Under Milk Wood artworks, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
Sir Peter has delivered. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
Peter said that he never finishes anything. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
I don't think I allowed myself | 0:28:06 | 0:28:07 | |
to think that he wouldn't meet the deadline. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
People would think of me as a pop artist, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
someone who does record covers. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
I think what has been particularly exciting | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
is that it has surprised people. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
He's done Under Milk Wood and done it credit. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:33 | |
We've waited too long, too long. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
I've got a feeling my grandfather has been here tonight. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
Suddenly, just before the big kick-off of the event, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
it went black. All the lights went down and I think my grandfather | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
was playing a little trick there, playing around. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
I've taken on the impossible in a way and done the best I can with it. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
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