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October 1943. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Japanese forces in Thailand | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
celebrate the completion of what would become known | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
as the Death Railway. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:23 | |
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They used to say, you know, fancy you buying a Japanese car | 0:01:08 | 0:01:14 | |
or buying a Japanese television or something like that. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
I thought that was a load of nonsense | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
because that didn't make any difference. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
I had my worst... | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
erm, nightmare... | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
ten days ago. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
Now that's... | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
70-odd years after. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
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A third of a million men were forced to work on the railway. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Over 100,000 died. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
My original group was 1,700-strong. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:08 | |
By the time that the railway was finished, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
erm, there were only 400 left. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
DRAMATIC MUSIC | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
By 1941, the Second World War had been raging across Europe | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
for several years and was not going the Allies' way. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
Setback followed setback. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
In the Far East, Germany's ally Japan | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
attacked US forces at Pearl Harbour, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
invaded territories across the Pacific and rapidly advanced | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
towards Malaya and the impregnable British fortress of Singapore. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
Thousands of British and Australian troops | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
were sent to defend the colony. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
For many, this was to be the defining moment of their lives. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
People ask me, how is it that you reached the age of 100? | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
I've said so many times, I have just missed death. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
This has happened to me so often | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
and I've said it's so much of my life that's been luck. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
I don't feel old. I don't want to feel old. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
I think it's preposterous when I suddenly have a 93rd birthday. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:36 | |
This is crazy. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
But...you know... | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
it's just that life is full and rich and interesting and I love it. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
I have never spoken about it | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
apart a bit with my family, but never really. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
There's a certain point where... | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
you don't, erm... | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
..want to talk about it. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
TRANSLATION: | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
LOUD AEROPLANE ENGINE | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:05:00 | 0:05:01 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
The Japanese were, I suppose, only about 100k up the Malay Peninsula | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
from Singapore when we got there. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
They were dropping bombs on the docks | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
and killed a lot of people in the ships that came in | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
and the docks were full of people trying to get away. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
It was absolutely tragic. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
We were the last ship in the convoy. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
It was about 11 o'clock in the morning | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
when we were going in there | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
and a flight of bombers come over... | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
..peeled off one at a time, come in, bomb us. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
EXPLOSIONS | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
We had got hit several times. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
She started to burn, like, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
and there was thick columns of black smoke coming along the deck. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
I said to my mate, Pat, "I'm going over the side." | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
So I leave him now... | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
we're crouched down by the cabins and I get up on the rail, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
stand up on the rail, I said to him, "Come on, Pat, I'm going." | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
It's the last I seen of him. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
-REPORTER: -"In the same dark, steaming, tropical jungle, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
"men of the British and Imperial forces go through | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
"an intensive training course to fulfil the need | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
"for officers of the Malayan Defence Force. Using collapsible boats, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
"they perfect themselves in the methods of jungle warfare." | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
It was terribly British stuff really, you know. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
Tremendously British. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
For a time when you should have been training, we didn't, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
and so we went really into war not well trained at all. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
I mean, we hardly trained. It was crazy. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
-REPORTER: -"The jungle holds many a secret to counter any move | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
"directed against Singapore or Australia." | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
Absolutely no preparation whatsoever had been done, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
even to clear a field of fire so you could see what you were doing. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
We just faced mangrove swamps. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
The Japanese, they had tanks. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
They had armoured cars. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
But they also had bicycles | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
and those bicycles won their war. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
They came down Malaya like a wire through cheese. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
36,000 Japanese soldiers closed in on Singapore. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
Facing them were almost 85,000 British and Allied troops. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:37 | |
But the Japanese were motivated, experienced | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
and expert at jungle warfare. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
The Allies found themselves constantly outflanked | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
and outfought. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
So we had this brief spell of fighting, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
and a certain amount of fairly close-contact fighting, | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
which is horrific. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
We were actually under mortar fire | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
and my colonel literally lost his head. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
There's no question I was always scared stiff... | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
when one had shells landing near one. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
Despite fierce and stubborn fighting, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
the Japanese advance continued to close in on Singapore. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
Winston Churchill warned his generals | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
that surrender was out of the question. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
We had heard rumours that the Japanese didn't take prisoners, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
so we didn't know what was going to happen, like, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
but it was a terrible, terrible reflection | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
of the, erm... the powers-that-be of ours | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
that were running that show out there. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
It should never have happened. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
February 15th 1942, | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
and the unthinkable did happen. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
The British commander General Percival surrendered Singapore | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
to the Japanese. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
The white flag went up at about four o'clock on the Sunday. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
Churchill would later describe this as the worst moment of the war. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
The extraordinary thing is that the Japs, of course, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:22 | |
were completely amazed at having captured so many prisoners. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
In all, 130,000 men were captured during this short campaign. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:35 | |
To add to the humiliation of defeat, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
they were forced to watch the victorious Japanese generals | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
drive by. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
The Allied prisoners were marched up to the northern tip of Singapore | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
to the military base Changi. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
We learnt that the... | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
that everyone was going out to this Changi area | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
and they marched us 18 miles. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
People say, what's it like being taken a prisoner of war? | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
Chaos. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
The fall of Singapore and every way in. No law or anything. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
When things began to break down, which they did very quickly, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
malaria started and then people got dysentery. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
The Japs, as part of this, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
they literally brought out lorry-loads of barbed wire | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
which they then told us to put up around a certain perimeter | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
and that was the first time you could say we were in a prison camp. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
You learnt Japanese, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
or pseudo-Japanese. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
I can still swear in Japanese, but I've forgotten all my Japanese. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
They would point to your shoes | 0:10:50 | 0:10:51 | |
-and say... -HE SPEAKS JAPANESE | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
..meaning, what is the name of it? | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
And so you would say, "shit", you see? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
And so they would go around pointing at other people's good boots, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
pointing and saying, "You number one shit", | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
meaning that you had a very good pair of boots, and it was hilarious. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
We had a lot of fun for about two weeks | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
and then they suddenly got the message through an interpreter | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
and then we had to learn Japanese orders. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
The Imperial Army had a very tight grip on Japanese society. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
They had been fighting a war in the Far East since the mid-1930s | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
and were the driving force behind Japan's territorial ambitions. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
All young men were conscripted at 21 | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
into a tough and brutal training programme. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
THEY ROAR | 0:12:17 | 0:12:18 | |
By June 1942, the Japanese advance had continued across the Pacific | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
and up into Burma, towards India. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
With an urgent need to move supplies, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
the solution was to dust off an old British plan to build a railway. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
The railway itself was only about 415km long. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
That's not an enormous distance | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
at all to link it up with Rangoon, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
So they could bring people to Saigon, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
across to Bangkok and then take them on the railway | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
right up to the Burmese frontier. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
So, really, the railway was not a long railway in those terms, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
but it was through the most hellish conditions to make it. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
The Japanese realised they had a vast pool of potential labour | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
in their prisoners at Changi. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
Things always changed in these camps, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
and some months later I was called to | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
the orderly office and told I was put on a draft | 0:14:18 | 0:14:23 | |
to go to a holiday camp. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
There was about 600 of us that were selected | 0:14:27 | 0:14:33 | |
and we were taken down to Singapore and loaded onto trucks. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
And then we had a train journey to Thailand from Singapore. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
There were 32 in my own particular truck and that meant that only | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
a certain small percentage could actually sit down at any one time. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
And you had all your kit was stuck in the centre, like, you know. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
There was no sanitary conditions and all, like, you know. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
Absolutely appalling. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:05 | |
This is where... the real degradation starts. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:11 | |
And that journey lasted five days. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
We went up to the first place we stopped in Thailand, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
was a place called Ban Pong. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
That was | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
an ex-Japanese camp there. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
The Japs had been stationed in there | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
but the camp was under about a foot of water. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
I had a large box of Winsor & Newton watercolours | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
and I had to throw the box away cos it'd have been too obvious | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
but I kept about six to eight or ten little palettes | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
and, of all things, | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
those little paints lasted me for as long as I wanted them. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
And we were taken up the river. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
We were going to start up the transit camps | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
and they dropped us off then at 20-mile intervals | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
to go into the jungle and start clearing the jungle, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
because there would be the main body of men coming from Singapore | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
and they would be marching up the jungle track | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
that followed the River Kwai. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
And then we were told, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
"All men march." | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
150km. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
I mean, the question of escaping | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
was something on occasion you thought about | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
but very quickly dismissed | 0:16:59 | 0:17:00 | |
cos you had at least 1,200 miles of sea, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
with lots of islands in between, admittedly, but 1,200 miles before | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
you'd get to safety or 1,200 miles up-country onto the Burma front. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
If you fell by the wayside | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
and couldn't go any further and nobody could help you, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
you were left to die, or they made sure you died. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
It's called the death march. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
The POWs, already weak and ill, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
were forced to build a railway track for the Japanese | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
through the mountainous jungle terrain. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
Then we had to climb up about 1,000 feet in this June monsoon, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
of course, and it was just appalling. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
You took two steps and slid back two in the thick jungle there. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
And we started clearing the jungle for where the railway trace was | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
going to go through. So that was the first introduction to the actual job. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
And so it gradually got worse from then on. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
They had so much cheap labour. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
Like, apart from us, they had the native populations of these places | 0:19:09 | 0:19:15 | |
that they took over, like, you know. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
They had brought up something like | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
about a couple of hundred thousand natives from down in Malaya | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
and that, like, you know, with promises of, oh, a great life, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
but lots of them died in the jungle. Yeah, yeah. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
I forget how long, but two or three months it was monsoon. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
For the first quite a few weeks at this camp that had no rooms, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
we just ate, worked, slept under the rain. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
It was really a problem of supply. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
The only communication was the river. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
And, being a time of the monsoon, the rivers tended to flood | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
and this rendered it almost impossible for supplies to get up. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
All we got was supposed to be 250g of rice. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:50 | |
That usually came in the form of rice full of weevils and so forth, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:57 | |
so we ate any vegetation that we could. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
Snakes were very good to eat if you could get them. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
The first one I killed was by accident and I just banged... | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
It takes a lot to kill a snake because they thrash, you know, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
a tremendous amount. I said, "We've got something to eat," you see. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
He said, "Do you know what you've just killed?" | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
And I said, "No." He said, "That's a king cobra." | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
And I haven't the faintest idea what this thing was. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
But it didn't matter, really. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
The lizards were quite nice. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
They were quite big. They were maybe up to about 18 inches long. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
Quite big, like, you know, and we'd just kill them, skin them | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
and cook them. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
Either grill them or put them in some water and cook them in a pot. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:47 | |
The men were now starving, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
but the Japanese had refused to sign the Geneva Convention, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
which protected the rights of prisoners of war. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
If our men misbehaved, if the Japanese said they did - | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
the misbehaviour was nearly always stealing food - | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
then we were all, as officers, lined up and had what's called bintos. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:15 | |
That is an officer, a Japanese officer, comes up | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
and gives you a really hard bang on your face and so on, in front | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
of all the men, to try and teach them that they shouldn't steal, you see. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
There's nothing wrong with the ordinary Japanese people. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
No, it was the Japanese army was the problem, like. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
Especially the army, like. They were taught to be brutal. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
That was part of their life. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
You know, it was no... | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
It was something that you have a job to understand | 0:23:26 | 0:23:33 | |
but right from the top of their headquarters, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
right the way down through the army, they were... | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
They were even brutal to one another. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
If somebody tried to escape and they were caught, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
they wasn't pleased with just shooting them. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
No, no. They had to torture. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
If you weren't working hard enough, one thing they would make you do | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
was you'd have to stand and hold a stone above your head. Once you... | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
I mean, when you're weak anyway, if you put both arms up, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
you start to feel faint really quickly. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
And so you would drop the stone. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
So we learnt you dropped the stone fairly quickly and picked it up, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
which was better than collapsing, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
because once you collapsed on the ground they knocked you about | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
and kicked you all over the place. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
So you'd probably get more damage through fainting than... | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
So, you had to play the game, really. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
I was coming back from the latrine one night | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
and one of these Korean guards started to be homosexual with me | 0:26:00 | 0:26:07 | |
and I... | 0:26:07 | 0:26:08 | |
Without thinking, I just kicked him in the spot where no man wants | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
to be kicked, and he fell to the ground screaming and hollering. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
I got beaten up for a night and a day | 0:26:17 | 0:26:24 | |
and the following night. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
Until I... | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
I no longer remember much, other than the pain and so on. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:36 | |
And then I was put in the black hole. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
That, really, was probably the one time when I felt this was the end. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:49 | |
Sweat boxes, they used to put them in. Put people in. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:57 | |
Made of bamboo, standing about that high off the ground, | 0:26:57 | 0:27:04 | |
and they were made of small, thin bamboos. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
Constructed... They were made | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
so they weren't long enough for a man to stretch right out in | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
and they were so low, you know, that you couldn't sit up properly | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
so that you were cooped up in there like, you know, and you could get, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
perhaps, you'd be sentenced to, perhaps, for sentence things, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:28 | |
you'd get a fortnight's punishment in there. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
By mid-1943, the Japanese were still fighting in the north of Burma. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
But, short of supplies and troops, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
the war was no longer going their way. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
We saw Japanese going up to the Burma front. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:26 | |
We watched the Japanese troops | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
and they were unbelievable in what they put up with. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
There were times where the treatment and even the food they got, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
perhaps it was generally better than ours but not much. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
It was such an urgent project to get a line through | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
so they could feed them all at the front, the troops. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
This is what the railway was about. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
So there was this urgency about the whole thing. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
It was called the speedo movement. It got worse and worse and worse. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
We had to work harder and harder and so on. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
As anxiety to get the railway finished grew within | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
the Japanese ranks, the death rate amongst the POWs | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
and native workers increased dramatically. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
If my sick parade got too large, a Japanese private... | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
Cos they wanted... Everyone had to work for the Japanese. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
A Japanese private would come along - a non-medical private - | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
take my sick parade and, as long as a man was fit enough to stand, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
then they were fit enough to work and off he would go. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
One of the most difficult sections of the construction | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
was an area called Hintok, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
better known as Hellfire Pass. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
When they were making these big cuttings, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
which were done largely with hammer and tap, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
they used a certain number of charges to blow the rock | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
and one of their games was occasionally | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
they would fire a charge without telling anybody. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
So some people got very badly injured with flying sharp rock. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:02 | |
I mean, why? You thought, "What's the sense of all this?" | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
We went out in the morning with all the tools that had been issued | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
and, after work, when we returned, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
there had to be a roll call of everybody, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
all the tools had to be handed in | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
and if one was short - there were usually a few short - | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
then we had to parade. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
Incidentally, with practically every day, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
the odd one or two dead who died out there, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
they had to be put down at the end, at the side, in order to prove | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
that the same number had returned as went out in the morning. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:52 | |
Every morning, I psyched myself up to survive that day. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:01 | |
That day only. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
Because every day was never as good as the last one. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:11 | |
It was never good. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:12 | |
There was never any hope. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
Never any hope. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:17 | |
In Konyu camps, I think, every disease imaginable was there, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:14 | |
but the worst one, with the most lives lost, was cholera. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:20 | |
And the Japanese themselves were scared... | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
..and we had to burn these bodies. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
That was, I think, perhaps the low point of my experience up there. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:38 | |
I mean, looking back now, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:39 | |
I can hardly believe I experienced all this. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
The medical officers, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
in my opinion, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
were absolute angels. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
They had no drugs to work with, not even an aspirin. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
A colonel in the hospital camp at Changi, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
Colonel Weary Dunlop, | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
an Australian, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
did fantastic work. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
Weary Dunlop, this most wonderful Australian surgeon. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
A man I can't praise enough. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
I had something on my forehead. He was going to take it off. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
There wasn't any anaesthesia for it, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
but I think it was melanoma or something he was worried about. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
And beside us was another table | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
and there was an Australian who was | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
really almost a skeleton, really, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
kneeling on it with his bum in the air because Dunlop wanted to use | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
a proctoscope, which was made in the camps, actually. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
And I remember him looking into this man's bottom, you see, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
and he had this lovely Australian voice and he said, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
"Oh, yes," he said, "I think I've seen you before." | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
And I nearly fell off the table. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
We were rolling about. What a lovely way to greet your friend, you know. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
At one camp alone, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
over 120 legs were amputated in a single year. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
Operations, mostly amputations, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
as a result of these jungle ulcers... | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
..were done with a saw borrowed from the Japanese, which they said | 0:36:26 | 0:36:33 | |
they wanted back cleaned after the operation or operations. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:38 | |
They did occasionally produce a bit of sake | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
so that people could be put out to some extent. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
I said to him, "I've got this ulcer. What can I do?" | 0:36:52 | 0:36:58 | |
He said, "Well, I'm sorry. I've nothing to give you. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
"I don't have any drugs. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:03 | |
"But if you go down to the latrine, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:09 | |
"pick up maggots, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
"count them, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
"put them on top of your ulcer | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
"and let the maggots do their work." | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
I said, "Well, what will they do?" | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
"They'll eat all the rotten flesh." | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
And he said, "There's a good chance you'll get a clean wound." | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
I'd been badly... They'd kicked my nose in. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
I had a bad fractured nose and a hole between my eyes | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
and I couldn't see anything. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
I was next to an Aussie who'd had his leg cut off that morning. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:45 | |
A big Aussie. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
And, I mean, it was routine stuff under the most crude circumstances. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
We were lying on bamboo. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
And, anyway, in the middle of the hut was another man | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
who was in my own regiment and he had an ulcer that was getting... | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
It was granulating quite well. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
It was in a far better condition to hundreds of the others round him. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
And he was kneeling up and hugging his knees | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
and rocking like so many of the ulcer patients did out of sheer agony | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
and pain and he kept on saying, | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
"I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die." | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
And this Aussie said, "Look, mate," | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
he said, "If you're going to die, hurry up and bloody do it. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
"I want some sleep," in this lovely Australian voice. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
And we were falling about. It was hilarious. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
But in two hours, he was dead. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
And I remember the Aussie in the morning, he said, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
"Oh, Christ!" He said, "The last thing anybody ever said to him." | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
The railway was finally completed in October 1943, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
on schedule, but at the cost of over 120,000 lives. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:11 | |
The POWs and local workers who died building the railway | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
were buried where they fell. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
One life lost for every sleeper laid. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
The jungle was full of British dead. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
You know, we buried them, a lot of them, where they fell. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
You know, we left 12,000 dead up there, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
quite apart from the wreckage that survived, you know. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
But it had all been for no purpose. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
Within months, the war had turned against the Japanese | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
and the Allies started to regain lost territories. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
NEWSREEL: These converted Hurricanes, now called Hurribombers, | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
carry two 500lb bombs tucked beneath the wings. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
Down there, somewhere in that tangled wilderness, lies their target - | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
or rather that's where their target lay. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
After this heavy pounding, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:34 | |
there'll not be much hospitality left in it for the Japanese invader. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
I think some of the officers... I think Weary Dunlop had had some | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
intimation from somewhere that things were getting pretty sticky. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:53 | |
We had this huge camp with huge pits around it | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
and a big band at one side | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
and they'd put a machine gun into the wall at one end, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:03 | |
which really told us | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
quite a lot about what they were intending to do, anyway. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
But, still, we didn't know. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
And then, of course, within about nine or ten days, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
they had Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and that finished it. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:19 | |
It was just saved by the bell, really. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
The Japanese had ceased to fight | 0:42:36 | 0:42:41 | |
from that time onwards. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
We knew then that we were officially free. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
Japan surrendered to the Allied forces | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
on the second of September 1945. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
The POWs were at last free men. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
The Allies had retaken Singapore and, a couple of days | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
after that, they were beginning | 0:43:19 | 0:43:20 | |
to march the Japanese - by then, prisoners. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
And one of our divisional people, soldiers, was, you know, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
like people do, sort of just watching what was going on | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
and at one point he turned to his pal and said, | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
"Look at those poor buggers. Now it's their turn." | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
And that, to me, sums up the attitude of the ordinary soldier. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:45 | |
We had a sergeant major, a British sergeant major, | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
that was in our camp. We didn't have any officers with us. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
And what he said was... He gave us a bit of good advice. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:58 | |
He said... | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
He advised us | 0:44:00 | 0:44:01 | |
not to take any action against the Japanese. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:08 | |
He said, "You've survived three and a half years of being prisoners." | 0:44:08 | 0:44:14 | |
He said, "Now think of your families. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
"Don't do anything stupid that might get you killed," like, you know. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
NEWSREEL: Japanese guards were made to carry the sick and wounded | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
to the quayside, where landing craft will take them | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
to the hospital ship near the bay. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
Other prisoners who are able to walk make their way to the landing | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
craft which will carry them on the first stage of a happy journey. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
From the Far Eastern shores, many have already started a longer voyage, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
taking them back to the land they have served so bravely. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
We... There was no-one there to meet us, you know, it was... | 0:46:17 | 0:46:22 | |
There was no bands there to meet us or anything like that. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:26 | |
But we were just taken off the boat | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
and taken to a transit camp there in Southampton. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:36 | |
And we were there for, oh, about a couple of days, like, you know. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:42 | |
And then we were just stuck on a train and sent home. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:47 | |
I used to go out in the morning | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
and I'd walk the streets of Aberdeen for hours and hours on end... | 0:46:52 | 0:46:57 | |
..looking... | 0:46:59 | 0:47:00 | |
..looking for somebody that I knew. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
I was forgetting I had been away six and a half years. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
When I got back, I decided I'd forget everything. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
"I'm going to start a new life." | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
I didn't join any ex-prisoner of war outfits or anything. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
I wouldn't have anything... | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
As far as I was concerned, although I'm talking about it now, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
I just wouldn't talk about any of my prisoner of war experiences | 0:47:25 | 0:47:31 | |
or anything. No, I'm going to start a new life and something quite new | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
and I'd have nothing to do with what's happened to me. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
That's just happened. It's finished. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
It was... | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
a bit overwhelming with having so many people coming to you | 0:47:41 | 0:47:46 | |
and wanting to know everything about you and all that, like, you know. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:51 | |
They had no understanding of what horrors we had lived through, | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
like, you know, and how the comparison between people's kindness | 0:47:55 | 0:48:02 | |
and the brutality that we had been experiencing. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
It's been very difficult with the family | 0:48:22 | 0:48:27 | |
because I never spoke about it. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
My wife died without knowing. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
Mind you, she must have seen and felt...the swinging of moods. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:40 | |
She must have done. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:41 | |
And one night, when I had a nightmare, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:48 | |
I finished up with my hands around her throat. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
So at that stage, I went into the spare bedroom, | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
where there was a chair, and I used to sleep in that for weeks. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
I couldn't sleep properly for about ten years. That sounds a long time. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:07 | |
I could only just sleep under the surface. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
In the camps, you just slept under the surface. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
You were ready to move off because | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
they might come in and start beating people up | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
or turn everybody out for a working party. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:20 | |
You didn't know what was going to happen by day or night, very often, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:24 | |
so you slept like that. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:25 | |
I knew exactly where everything of mine was | 0:49:25 | 0:49:29 | |
so that I could put my hands on it. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
Especially my little few drawing things. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
So you were always ready to move. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
And when I came home, it was much the same. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
I would fold my clothes up, and I still do it that way now, | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
and I know just where they are. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
Well, compensation. I think I'm right in saying that I got £30, | 0:49:53 | 0:50:01 | |
we all did, several years after the war. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
We were certainly the worst country of the lot of doing | 0:50:07 | 0:50:11 | |
anything at all to get compensation from the Japs. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
I blame it most, well, on politicians | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
and, above all, the Treasury because we finally got, I think | 0:50:19 | 0:50:24 | |
the figure was £10,000, about, | 0:50:24 | 0:50:29 | |
I'm guessing, 15 years ago. Not much more. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
And... | 0:50:33 | 0:50:34 | |
..there weren't many left, | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
so the Treasury obviously saved a lot of money. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
When they talked of trying to get some financial benefit out of it, | 0:50:41 | 0:50:46 | |
that might have done a bit of good for to help to have healed | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
some of the things for the blokes | 0:50:50 | 0:50:51 | |
but, you know, for me, the... | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
I have no, as I said, no ill feeling against the Japanese at all. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:02 | |
I mean, I meet Japanese here now - no trouble. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
I mean, the Germans, for all what they did, | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
they have repented and the generation know what happened. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:43 | |
But in Japan, they don't. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
No, let the Emperor come and apologise to me. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:26 | |
That might be the answer. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
And I will decide whether he's sincere or not. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
And, actually, there are two reasons why I don't hate the Japanese. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
One reason is it would do them no harm, | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
but if I hate anyone, it does me harm. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:47 | |
And I've said that the other reason, I'm a Christian | 0:54:47 | 0:54:49 | |
and Christians are taught to love, not to hate. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
I can't stand this... The way we all, I suppose - I do it sometimes - | 0:54:52 | 0:54:57 | |
we generalise about people, nations or groups or... | 0:54:57 | 0:55:02 | |
..bankers or industrialists or whatever. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
Cos there are some good, bad and indifferent anywhere. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
In all, I think I've just been terribly lucky. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:16 | |
I'm very happy doing what I'm doing and I've no regrets, really. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:22 | |
It doesn't matter. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
I've been there and I've done it. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
All the things I've ever wanted to do. And I have no regrets. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:34 | |
I mean, the fact that I was a prisoner of war | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
was just a blip in my life, like, you know. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
I am determined to live and beat the Japanese, | 0:55:41 | 0:55:47 | |
because I'll outlive them all, I hope. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
All those who were involved. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
One of the most interesting parts of this was the sheer ingenuity. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
You put a lot of people together - there are tent smiths, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
there are pharmacists, chemists, all sorts of people. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
So you put all these people together and you can begin to start moving | 0:56:05 | 0:56:10 | |
half the mountain and I think that was the sort of corporate magic | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
of the whole thing, which was so important. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
Thank you to them! | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
MUSIC: "The River Kwai March - Colonel Bogey March" by Mitch Miller | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 |