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Over 30 years ago, a battle began for the final frontier of British television. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
Hello, good morning and welcome. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
It was a battle fought by titans of broadcasting... | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
Breakfast Time. Britain's first ever regular early-morning television programme. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
..supported by a loyal band of foot soldiers. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
SHE LAUGHS Hello. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
This epic contest for the hearts and minds of the bleary-eyed | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
British public was a war between two very different institutions. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
The BBC was fiercely competitive. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
It was a shambles. Absolute financial shambles. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
Between 1983 and 1991, our TV screens | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
witnessed a war of the sofas that saw technological innovation... | 0:00:39 | 0:00:44 | |
Here is our clock. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:45 | |
That's the time and there it will stay. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
-..sexual chemistry... -Can you hear me? | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
Can't wait to see you in a survival suit. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
..woollen sweaters... | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
I could have made a million selling jumpers. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
-..astrology... -Hello and how are you? | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
-..and a sarcastic rodent. -Yeah! | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Weapons deployed in an uncompromising conflict. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
Auntie was behaving badly. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
People would come in my office and cry. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
I've never seen anything like it. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
This is the story of the battle for Britain's breakfast. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
# When two tribes go to war | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
# A point is all you can score | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
# When two tribes go to war | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
# A point is all you can score | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
# Working for the black gas... # | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
Into today's world of rolling news, endless channel choice | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
and 24-hour-a-day broadcasting, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
it's hard to imagine a time where before lunch | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
the only visual offerings were the test card... | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
-HIGH PITCHED BEEP -..and physics. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
This is the only point for which we've shown both the routes. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
What about the other ones? | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
Britain before breakfast television was a civilised place. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
People had breakfast at breakfast time and read a newspaper. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
There was a feeling if you wanted news in the morning | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
you should turn on Radio 4 and listen to the Today programme. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
Television in the morning was outrageous. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
It was just decadence beyond belief. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
But breakfast in Britain was about to become | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
a very different place when in 1980, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
the Independent Broadcasting Authority | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
offered up the franchise of a new station | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
that would broadcast on ITV - | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
a tantalising challenge that attracted David Frost... | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
Thank you very much indeed. Hello, good evening and welcome. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
..who immediately recruited an elite unit of broadcasting behemoths. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
King of the chat show Michael Parkinson... | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
After 11 years I've decided to get a proper job. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
..ITN's Anna Ford... | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
It's the highest security lab in this country | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
working on genetic manipulation. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
..the BBC's first ever news anchorwoman Angela Rippon... | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
Oil producing and exporting nations have begun a series of meetings | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
to decide the price of oil in 1978. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
-..and grizzled news veteran Robert Kee. -Good evening. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
Completing the line-up as chairman | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
was former ambassador to Washington Peter Jay. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
Their brave new venture was to be known as TV-am. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
There's no doubt about who's walked off with the biggest prize. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
TV-am have got the breakfast television contract | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
and they were all set to go on the air next January | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
but a cautious IBA has told them to wait until sometime in 1983. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
It's, I think, the happiest day of my life | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
I can recall professionally, you know, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:36 | |
because this group came together, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
excited by the challenge | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
of breakfast television | 0:03:40 | 0:03:41 | |
and to have the opportunity of doing it as well, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
we hope we don't let the side down. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
But the celebrations of this glitzy new enterprise | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
awoke a sleeping giant. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
The BBC was fiercely competitive. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
The BBC believed that it had the right to broadcast | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
to the British people and these upstarts in commercial television. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
You know, if they got a toehold in the door well, fine, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
but this is our terrain. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
The BBC huffed and puffed until ITV said they were going to do it | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
and announced a start date and then the BBC was very much in the market. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
There was no question that the BBC screens could be dark | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
when the ITV screens were lit up in the morning. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
Of course, the moment when we announced we were going on air | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
the BBC said, "We will do it two weeks earlier." | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
I'd always known the BBC would do that | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
and if I'd been the BBC that's what I would have done. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
The instruction was, get on the air first. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
They weren't supposed to start before TV-am. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
They snuck in. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
Auntie was behaving badly. That was a really big surprise. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
With the battle date set for early 1983, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
both sides established breakfast base camps. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
Egg Cup House was a fantastic statement | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
of the fact that TV-am was going to do things differently. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
It was a beautiful space in which to work | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
because it was on a canal, it had a tremendous amount of natural light. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
It was a big space, you know. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
Inside it felt like an aircraft hangar. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
So, that kind of open plan was very inspirational and very energising. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:20 | |
Lime Grove was a pretty grim building. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
And we were in one of the grimmest rooms in that building. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
Our production office was a grotty, dark, windowless little room | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
behind the Lime Grove canteen | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
with the permanent smell of stale chips and Irish stew. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
But there was nothing stale | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
about the brave and bright new world of TV-am. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Central to the entire enterprise were the famous five | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
who were not just the public face, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
they were also shareholders of the company. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
-Good morning. -Good morning. -Good morning. -Good morning. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
Good morning, Britain. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
We'll be live on the "ITV-1" button from February 1. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
With all these very famous personalities, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
there was a huge media appetite to come and interview them, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
come and talk to them about what breakfast television would be like. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
Frosty was being interviewed everywhere, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
talking about sexual chemistry. This lit a light under the tabloids. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
I think everybody thought, "How interesting. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
"TV-am has the serious newsy people. What will the BBC do?" | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
Simple. The enlisted the safest hands in British broadcasting. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
I was approaching my 50th birthday. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
When I got wind of Ronald Neil starting this breakfast show, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
I must say I badgered him for a month or two saying, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
"Look, if you don't give me a job on this new programme I'll never speak to you again." | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
About three or four months before we actually launched, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
I got a handwritten note from him which said, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
"My dear Frank. Last time we had dinner. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
"Can we now have lunch to talk about breakfast?" | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
And I've kept that little bit of paper. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
I was delighted. Whoop-de-do! And I was on. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
He had a huge amount of experience in presenting long, live programmes. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
And I thought that experience was going to be crucial. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
Joining Brigadier Bough were ITN reporter Selina Scott... | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
My name's Selina Scott and this, quite literally, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
is the most northern point of Britain. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
..and young newshound Nick Ross. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
This programme is about creating baby girls and baby boys to order. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
Winter 1983, and as a bleary-eyed British public | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
went about their morning business, in the bunkers of Egg Cup Towers | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
and Lime Grove, both production teams finalise their strategies | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
for the impending visual onslaught. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
With the BBC going over the top first, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
their rehearsals seemed to be going smoothly. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
OK? Yeah. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
-NICK ROSS: -Frank Bough was hugely reassuring. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
I'd never done anything like this before. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
Frank had done a lot of sports programming. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
And I remember about 30 seconds before we went on air | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
on the first day, you could hear the chatter upstairs. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
There was nervousness. The crew were nervous. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
We were nervous on the sofa and Frank went... | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
"Calm down, everyone. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
"It's going to be great." | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
Well, I wasn't nervous. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
I had long since in my career stopped being nervous | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
about being live on television. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
Run VT. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:17 | |
-'This is BBC One. In a few moments, it'll be Breakfast Time.' -Five, four, three, two, one, zero. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
We're on the air, everyone. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
We're on the air. Good luck. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
And so, on the morning of 17th January 1983, BBC Breakfast Time | 0:08:25 | 0:08:32 | |
gently stormed the final frontier of British broadcasting. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
It's 6:30, Monday January 17th, 1983. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
You are watching the first edition of BBC Television's Breakfast Time, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
Britain's first ever regular early-morning television programme. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
A very good morning to you all. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
It was a brand-new world that we were going into. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
We didn't know whether it would work on air, whether it would fall apart, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
and we didn't know whether the audience would like it or hate it. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
It was very exciting. It really was. Because we'd been working at it for months. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
And now I'd like you to meet the other faces | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
whom we hope will become regulars over your breakfast table. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
An intrigued British public turned on in the millions, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
witnessing the expected fare of news and sport... | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
I've never had it so early in my life, all this sport. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
There's no answer to that, Frank, actually, is there? | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
There was an unexpectedly casual approach to weather. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
Francis Wilson will be taking regular looks | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
through his Window On The Weather. Hello, good morning. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
-Good morning. -What's the view like this morning? | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
Well, it's rather gloomy, rather monotonous. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
I decided we wanted our own weatherman because the Met Office | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
weather people were slightly grey, I thought. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
We'll go on to the weather now. Francis. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
Sun up, sky is blue, not a cloud to spoil the view... | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
If only that were true. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:57 | |
But such meteorological innovations were as nothing when, at 6:50am, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:04 | |
an unsuspecting public got their first glimpse of the Green Goddess. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
One, two. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
One, two. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
One, two. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
Anybody else like to join us? | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
Anybody standing around there? Come on in and join us! | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
Anybody over here? Come on, sir. Come and join us. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
With Frank at the helm and Selina exuding a dreamy | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
early-morning charm, the British public expressed their approval. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
I've actually just got one I want to say, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
from Trevor Dixon from Penge, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
or Penge-sur-mer in that part of the world. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
He says, "A brilliant show but it's an unexpected choice of presenters." | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
Good. I tell you what, we would like to hear from you | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
if you think it's a complete waste of time as well. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
Do ring us up. Take your time. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
As the show got into its stride, so the novelty continued. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
Mr Russell Grant will be with us as the resident astrologer, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
meeting our guests and reading their signs. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
This was innovation. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
This was, you know, Auntie lifting up her skirts | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
and showing us a little bit of petticoat. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
Or, in my case, a bit of an old mohair jumper. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
The thing is, for all Virgos watching and yourself, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
the next year is a very, very important year | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
but I want you to take it easy. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
And so, as Britain acclimatised to such hearty breakfast fare, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
a jubilant and relieved cast celebrated a smooth, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
hitch-free first transmission. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
Oh, my giddy aunt! | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
The programme took over. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
It just seemed to go really well and spontaneously, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
when the red lights went off at the end of the first show, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
we were all cheering. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
We just knew we'd got this. We knew it had worked. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
I watched Breakfast Time when it went on air and I thought, "Wow! | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
"That's really nice programming." They got it dead right. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
It was a very ITV sort of programme on the BBC. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
You've been watching the first edition | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
of BBC Television's Breakfast Time. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
I hope you'll join us again from time to time. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
God bless and good morning to you. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
We came off the air and we'd survived. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
There was quite a large party and quite a lot of sherry was taken. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
For the last few months we've been thinking only of today, January 17th. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
We have to now think of tomorrow and Wednesday and next week | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
and Easter and the summer and the winter and it goes on and on and on. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
The BBC's opening salvo proved to be a hit | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
with a broad range of the Great British public. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
Can I ask you what you think of the idea of breakfast television? | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Marvellous. You can have a drink | 0:12:26 | 0:12:27 | |
and watch the television and go back to bed when it's finished. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
-I thought it was good. -What did you like about it? | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
Well, it tells you sports, tells you the latest news, weather. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:40 | |
So you can bring an umbrella out or what. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
But also keeping a close eye on proceedings were the TV-am big guns, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
knowing that in just two weeks' time, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
they would enter the fray. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
Breakfast Time got off to a very good start and quite clearly, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
the BBC was regarded as a strong if not overly strong competitor | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
to this new, commercial child which TV-am was. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
But I think TV-am, in the first instance, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
had such a very, very strong team leading it | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
that there was a great deal of confidence. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
We all knew that however good our programme was, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
we were going to be trounced by TV-am. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
I remember a journalist coming up to me and saying, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
"Look, you're a very steady, reliable broadcaster but look at them! | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
"They've got David Frost, they've got Michael Parkinson, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
"they've got Anna Ford, they've got Rippon, they've got Kee. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
"They're going to bury you. Let's face it. They will bury you." | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
For two whole weeks, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:39 | |
Breakfast Time had sole occupancy of the battlefield, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
where they had not only honed and refined their machine, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
they had also acquired an audience. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
While the public had shown there was an appetite for breakfast telly, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
the famous five got ready to open fire. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
It's good fun getting up this time of day, isn't it? | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
-AS DAVID FROST: -Hello, good morning and welcome! | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
And so, after two years of preparation, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
they were at last unleashed upon the world. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
OK, gentlemen. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
-Now, this time... -20 seconds. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
Sh, sh, sh. OK, guys. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
In contrast to the BBC's modest opening, TV-am went big. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
An opening befitting the famous five. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
Hello, good morning and welcome to TV-am. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
New studios, a new news service and a new national network. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
We'd just like to say thanks very much for joining us | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
this morning on what's obviously a very, very important day for us | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
and we do hope that you are going to stay tuned to us | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
not just for this morning's programmes but every morning, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
every day of the week at least for the next eight years. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
Good morning, Britain. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
Where the BBC presented an unashamedly magazine-driven format, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
TV-am kicked off with a hard news agenda, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
opening with the programme Daybreak. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
Hello. Good morning if you've just joined us. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
It's just after 6:00am on Tuesday, 1st February and this is Daybreak. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
I turned on at 6am to watch TV-am and there was Robert Kee | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
as though he was presenting Panorama! At six in the morning! | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
The Soviet Union has not reacted yet to President Reagan's offer | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
to meet the Soviet leader, Mr Andropov, to sign an agreement | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
banning all medium-range land-based nuclear weapons. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
However, after the unrelenting first hour of hard news, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
at 7am the fun began with magazine show Good Morning Britain. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
Good morning. Good morning. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
Welcome to Good Morning Britain for the very first time. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
First up, though, some more news. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
It's just after seven o'clock here, of course. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
It's just after ten o'clock in Moscow. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
There's still no reaction from the Soviet Union | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
to President Reagan's offer to meet the Soviet leader, Mr Andropov. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
Then the weather with ex-Navy Commander Philpott. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
We're going to bring order to the weather today, David. Thank you. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
In spite of which, it is going to be extremely windy over most of | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
the country and the wintry showers in the north are going to move southwards. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
The show seemed to be all right, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
although I certainly felt that it had been a bit heavy at times. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
Did you think, in that earlier story, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
that there is any hope in that Reagan initiative or more of the same? | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
I think it's frightfully difficult to work out. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
I'll never forget that long interview - I think with Norman Tebbit. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
Yes, after an hour of hard news, at 7:12am, to brighten up the day, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
a short film about unemployment | 0:16:42 | 0:16:43 | |
followed by a 12-minute-long interview | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
with the man in charge of it. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
There was no point, for example, going on in British Steel, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
where it was taking 15 man hours per tonne of steel. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
It's under ten now. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
However, it wasn't all news. There were celebrity guests... | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
It's a great pleasure to have you here, sharing this one. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
It's nice to be here on this relatively historic occasion. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
-HE LAUGHS -..heart-warming animal stories... | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
There's a very nice, mad story in the Mirror this morning, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
about a family watching their pet budgerigar levering open | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
the bars of his cage with his beak and squeezing through. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
Unfortunately, he died the next day. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
Obviously, the effort from the daring escape affected his heart. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
-Isn't that sad? -..and a live-action comic strip. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
Just imagine, ours is the only village in the country | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
where under a royal dispensation from Edward VII, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
public executions are still officially allowed. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
From the very beginning, there was this tremendous mix of genres | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
within the framework. So, for example, Through The Keyhole | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
was one of the first elements to be broadcast on TV-am. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
This doesn't belong to a wimp at all, this room. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
It's very much a room that someone who read James Bond | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
and took him seriously in the '60s would have. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
So, there was always an intention to mix things up | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
yet to have a sort of serious and fairly robust approach | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
to news and current affairs. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
And that seemed to work on day one. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
We'd just like to thank you for joining us this morning | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
and if it's all right with you, we'd like to come again tomorrow. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
-Good morning. -Good morning. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
Show over, the famous five cracked open the bubbles. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
To our viewers. To our viewers. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
On the day of the launch, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
this is a bit like a Formula One victory parade, as it were. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
There's a lot of excitement, there's a lot of self-congratulation, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
there's a log of pretty girls and lights and champagne | 0:18:40 | 0:18:45 | |
and everybody is celebrating. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
That's terrific. You've finally got on air. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
This is the day we've been working to for two or three years | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
and things seem to be working. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
A view echoed by Grub Street's finest the next morning. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
With both sides having launched their assaults, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
the press declared the victor. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
I remember being very surprised at the press reception | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
of the first TV-am programme. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
Because I thought it was rubbish. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
I mean, I was so relieved when I saw it. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
I thought, "They've just got this wrong." | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
But actually, the press gave them a pretty good write-up | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
and I thought, "Well, OK, fine. I've misjudged this." | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
I think one of the most surprising things about the launch | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
of breakfast television in this country was that the two stations | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
seemed to be doing exactly the opposite to what you expected. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
You expect from the BBC a very serious, heavy programme | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
full of analysis et cetera, et cetera, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
and you got fluffy jumpers, a stargazer and keep-fit classes. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
And you expected from TV-am exactly that | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
and what you got was this rather ponderous, arrogant sort of - | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
and, I have to say, rather boring at times - programme. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
I think people thought, "First day. Of course it's going to be serious. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
"Second day they'll do that for the reviewers | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
"and then they'll become something else." | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
When they didn't, that surprised us all | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
and certainly surprised the tabloids, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
who thought it was going to be jokey and sexy and like us. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
And it wasn't. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
Where once there had been nothing, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
viewers of all ages were now confronted with a stark choice. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
To wake up to the frothy Breakfast Time... | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
Question. How do you get a pint of milk through a letter box? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
Clearly not in a bottle or indeed one of these plastic containers, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
which is, of course, the other way of containing milk these days. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
But if you do that, that, that and that and spread it, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:34 | |
then quite clearly, that would go through a letter box. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
..or to pledge allegiance to the occasionally ponderous TV-am. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
It was evidence of what a proletarian society Russia was | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
because he was the... | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
For him to become the boss of the party because he was the only | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
former KGB man who didn't go to Oxford or Cambridge. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
-A sort of good thing. Anna. -Thank you, David. You're so well educated. | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
Television is about the content. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
You know, average presenters can make... | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
Can be fine if the content is good. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Very good presenters die if the content is rubbish and in this case, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
the content was rubbish. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
I don't know. The idea of donating your body to medical science... | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
-Have you thought of that? -I don't know. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
We had that line when we were doing that promotion | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
about Norman Tebbit had donated his body to medical science | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
but that medical science was contesting the will. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
Perhaps they might do the same in my case. I don't know. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
The real problem started when the BARB ratings came in. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
By the end of the second week, it became clear that Breakfast Time | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
was wiping the floor with us for audience. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
As the weeks and days went by and the famous five tried to struggle on, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
our ratings went up and up and up and theirs went down and down | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
and down and that was a very, very happy time for Breakfast Time. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
One of the things I've enjoyed this week is the fashion spot | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
-and speaking to people outside, they too. -I love fashion. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
-I thought it's brightened up our whole programme, Frank. -It has. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
What happened in the first weeks of battle | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
can only be described as a morning massacre. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
Breakfast Time's dawn raids had seen them | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
completely overwhelm the forces of TV-am, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
forcing the fledgling company into a hasty, disorganised retreat. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
Very soon there was an element of fear and trepidation | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
within the building that ratings were bad | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
and therefore advertisers weren't exactly flocking in. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
And therefore the money wasn't flocking in and there was a problem. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
Advertising revenue had been projected to be | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
at least 18 million, 20 million, and it was actually 3 million. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:40 | |
The viewing audience had been projected to be | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
something like 6 million. It was 300,000. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
Clearly, you know, for the shareholders | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
who had put a lot of money up, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
to see ratings at that level was a worry. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
The presenters were grossly overpaid by themselves, of course, | 0:22:53 | 0:23:00 | |
and costs were allowed to run away with themselves, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
partly through managerial inexperience. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
Peter Jay had many fine qualities | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
but being an executive was not one of them. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
That took some time to dawn. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
Up until the moment we went on air, there was great unity, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:19 | |
optimism and cohesion in the group. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
And indeed, a few days before we went on air, the board, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
on a motion proposed by Jonathan Aitken, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
congratulated me on these achievements | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
and bringing the thing to this point of fruition. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
Things changed after we went on air because the programmes were very bad. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
The board of TV-am, the company behind ITV's breakfast programmes, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
meet this morning amid pressure for changes at the top. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
Some of the big shareholders are said to want the chairman | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
and chief executive, Peter Jay, to give up one of these positions. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
"TV-am chief Jay is facing the axe." | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
That's on the front page of the Sun. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
But no crowing from you. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
I haven't said a word! | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
At a meeting in the City of London, instigated by two key investors - | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
cousins Jonathan and Timothy Aitken - | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
Peter Jay was being asked | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
to surrender his position and name Jonathan as his successor. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
One of the stories in this morning's papers | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
is of course about intrigue at TV-am. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
High dramas going on in the boardroom this morning. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
We gather, apparently, that our chairman Peter Jay is going to be asked to resign. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
We want to send him a message from everybody here this morning | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
simply saying, Peter, if you're watching, don't resign. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
We like you very much and would much rather you stayed. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
Despite presenter support, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
in reality Jay was in a no-win situation. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
He could stay and see investors pull the plug on the company | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
or leave and allow it a chance of survival. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
I thought, "If Jonathan wants it that much - to be the top guy - | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
"that he is prepared to threaten the ruin of the company | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
"and all that we have worked to do, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
"then it would be wholly irresponsible and wrong for me | 0:25:01 | 0:25:07 | |
"to fight him over this because what would we have | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
"but a sort of a playground squabble | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
"between two guys who wanted to be top chap?" | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
I hadn't the slightest wish to be top chap. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
I didn't want to run a television company. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
I was an emergency stand-in because I was the only person | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
on the board who had any previous television company experience. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:32 | |
Before news of any decision had filtered through, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
Anna Ford and Angela Rippon took to the ramparts | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
to express their support for Peter Jay. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
Little did they know they were marking their card | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
with the new regime. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
We think the board is panicking and Peter is being made a scapegoat. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
Peter has done magnificently with this company. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
He's held it together under difficult times. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
You referred to treachery earlier this morning in the interview. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
-Yes, I did. -Treachery by whom? | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
I can't say, I'm afraid, but I can say there have been | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
acts of enormous treachery behind the scenes. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
It sounds as if this is the end of TV-am. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
-Don't be silly! -It's the beginning! -THEY LAUGH | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
-Rubbish! -Bye-bye! | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
Bye-bye! | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
I think Peter's departure was a shock because he was such | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
a significant figure, such a major and important figure. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:22 | |
But we soon got used to the revolving door. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
Having ousted Peter Jay, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
the Aitkens' plan was to relaunch the channel. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
Their first move was to shunt the honeymooning David Frost | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
from the sofa, giving a battlefield promotion | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
for sports reporter Nick Owen. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
But that was only the beginning of the changes, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
as within a month, Jonathan's cousin Timothy was to take the reins. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
I knew that Timothy, my cousin, was a rougher diamond than I was | 0:26:47 | 0:26:53 | |
and was likely to cut more sharply | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
and brutally than I ever would have done but he did the job. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
We've got about 30 seconds left so we can both say goodbye | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
and all those people who've rung in all week and said, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
"When are you going to get rid of Angela Rippon?" | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
Your dream has come true because I'm not going to be here next week. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
But make the most of it cos I shall be back a week after. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
But Angela was never to return to the field of battle. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
I presented with Anna and Angela for a week each, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
and then suddenly they were sacked. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
It was so dramatic. I had no idea about... | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
I got a call from a friend of mine at ITN and he said, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
"What's this about Anna and Angela being sacked?" I said, "What?" | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
Here were ITN telling me, and I was in the same booming building! | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
I've got nothing to say. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
I've simply been given a letter saying I've been sacked | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
and I've given it to my lawyer so I can't say anything. He said, "Don't say anything." | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
I was called in and told I was sacked. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
-What did they say to you? -I can't tell you that. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
-Were you given any kind of reason? -No. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
Unfortunately, both Angela Rippon and Anna Ford technically | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
breached their contracts by speaking out | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
at the time of Peter Jay's departure. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
My problem was that I didn't have time to do anything | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
except reduce the costs in the company if it was going to survive. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
It was not a personal... | 0:28:05 | 0:28:06 | |
..involvement on my part. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
I didn't realise that Anna | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
and Angela would have taken this very wonderful | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
but very risky action in demonstrating | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
against the Aitken takeover, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
which then very considerably damaged their careers. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
And I regret bitterly for the rest of my life | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
that I didn't foresee that danger and didn't forestall it | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
by calling Anna and Angela and saying, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:37 | |
"Look, I have decided to stand down for these reasons." | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
For the famous five, the dream of breakfast telly domination lay in ruins. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
I remember one moment we were standing on the third floor | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
of this building in Camden Town and there was a canal beneath us | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
and I was standing there, looking out the window. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
I turned around and David was looking at me and he said, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
"Who jumps first?" I think if we'd gone together it'd have been about right. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
From the very beginning, the famous five had been headline news. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
But even after their exit from the battlefield, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
they were still able to hold the front page. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
For those who haven't yet gone down to the newsagent's | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
and seen the papers, Anna Ford went up to her former boss | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
when she met him at a party for the first time since she was sacked | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
and threw a glass of wine in his face. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
I was enjoying the cocktail party and then from some distance away, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
some wine was thrown. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
And it seemed at the time a rather trivial incident | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
but it was then written up two or three days later | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
in a hugely dramatic way. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
The whole of the front page of the Daily Mail was, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
"Anna's Grapes Of Wrath." | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
# I can feel it coming in the air tonight... # | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
I had my wine glass filled up and walked over | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
and threw it at him because that's how I was feeling. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
And I don't regret it at all. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
How many people have congratulated you on your actions over the years? | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
Quite a lot. Quite a lot. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Is it really vital to us | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
when civilisation's on the razor's edge that we know about Anna Ford? | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
She's everywhere. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
-It's quite an amazing story! -Is it? | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
Well, isn't it? | 0:30:14 | 0:30:15 | |
Even as a freelance, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
I just felt that I was in the middle of this insanity. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
And what was kind of destabilising, I guess, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:26 | |
is the fact that as someone who knew nothing about television, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
I looked around me and there was absolute pandemonium. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
And when I glanced at the people who should have known something about | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
television, I could see that they thought it was pandemonium as well. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:41 | |
As the ship was sinking at Camden Lock, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
-the BBC wallowed in their surprising victory. -Lovely. Will you excuse me? | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
-Certainly. -I've got an engagement on the other side of the studio. Nice to meet you. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
The fact is that we began to realise that we were going to bury them | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
and we did bury them. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:55 | |
Good morning. How are you? | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
'We obviously won the ratings battle' | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
and there was big explosions coming from the other side. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
I mean, red wine was thrown. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:04 | |
Presenters disappeared into the far distance, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
or the near distance, or were never seen again. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
We were very chirpy and cheerful and, dare I say, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
a little bit pleased with ourselves for the first six months because | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
we couldn't believe just how strong the audience was in our favour. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
But, you know, you've got to be careful about that. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
Anyway, I've now got to learn how to reverse. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
-I think I'll just pull out and leave you to the weather. -OK. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
By mid-May, the battle for Britain's breakfast | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
had reduced TV-am to tatters. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
Having lost two of their presenters and their general, who had | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
guided them from inception to the battlefield, all seemed lost. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
In what had been nothing short of a breakfast blitzkrieg, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
the BBC revelled in the 90% share of the audience. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
As a last-ditch measure, TV-am appointed a new general | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
to lead the fight back - LWT producer Greg Dyke. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
Well, the day I arrived... | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
I arrived on the Monday and that was the same day that | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
Timothy Aitken sacked Anna and Angela. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:07 | |
I went in, a happy bloke, smiling a lot... | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
People would come in my office and cry. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
I've never come across anything like it. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
People were literally crying around the office | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
because they'd worked themselves to death to get this thing on air, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
it was then a disaster and of course, it was known as "ailing TV-am", | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
and my job was to pick it up and turn it around. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
How do we get an audience for this thing and make some money? | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
From the beginning of Breakfast Time, the on-screen | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
relationship between Frank Bough and Selina Scott had blossomed. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
Selina Scott, if you're smiling at me, I will never speak to you again! I did get one bubble. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
-One bubble! -One big bubble! -I didn't see it. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
I'll come over there and check later. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
I said to Ron Neil, "Why have you put Selina and me together?" | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
He said, "With you and Selina, I regard you as beauty and the beast. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
"She's so beautiful and you're so bloody ugly," he said. And that worked! | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
Quite simply, you are a beautiful woman. Everybody knows that. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
You're making me blush, Frank! Honestly! | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
Over at TV-am, Field Marshal Dyke's first move was to find replacements | 0:33:04 | 0:33:09 | |
for the decommissioned big guns of Anna Ford and Angela Rippon. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
Feet. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
After your head, they're probably the most important part of your body. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
But they're prone to all sorts of ailments and disorders | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
and we all know, when your feet hurt, life can be hell. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
So you go to a chiropodist, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
but what sort of treatment can you expect when you get there? | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
Greg Dyke called me and said, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
"Tell me about this Anne Diamond." And I said how good she was | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
and how close we were | 0:33:35 | 0:33:36 | |
and what a great relationship we'd had on regional television. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
And he said, "Can you arrange for me to meet her?" | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
They met in a pub that night and six weeks later, she was on the sofa. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
Greg sat down and just explained to us his philosophy | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
and he said that he thought it was about a mission to entertain. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
And he said, "This isn't going to be a champagne building any more," | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
because that's what they used to do. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
They'd spent a lot of money on champagne launches | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
and things like that. He said, "This is a beer-and-skittles company now. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
"This is the sort of television we're going to produce. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
"It's going to be fast and furious and, by the way, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
"do you mind reading the bingo numbers out?" | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
Now, another lovely face. Annie with the bingo numbers. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
It's about time I had a compliment! Right, it's bingo time. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
For all you newspaper bingo addicts, we're going to give you the numbers | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
in today's Sun, Daily Star and Daily Mirror, so here goes. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
And first of all, it's the Sun numbers. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
The great advantage of having a television show where there's | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
nobody watching is you can try all sorts of things. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
And some work and some don't. And if you think they work, keep them in. If they don't work, don't bother. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:38 | |
No-one's going to know cos there was no audience anyway. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
We just started trying things. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
It was pretty populist stuff. We had to get an audience quickly. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
Now, for all Popeye fans, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:48 | |
we'll be joining the muscle-bound mariner in a few minutes, but first, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
did you know that today is the start of National Brownie Tea Making Week? | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
With a new presenting team in place, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
the axe next fell on the programme content. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
Battlefield casualties included the hard news agenda and Robert Kee, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
the comic strip soap opera The Secret Life of Melanie Parker, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
and Commander Philpott, who was banished to the weekends. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
Greg's recipe was to bring in just people who weren't stars. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:18 | |
All the people he brought in were sidekicks. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
-You're taking this very seriously. -I am indeed, Nick. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
I've got a clipper board. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:25 | |
I said, "I don't need you to do sport. What do you know about?" He said, "I don't know." | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
I said, "What do you do with your time?" He said, "I watch telly." I said, "That's it! | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
"You're going to do television every week!" | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
Tonight, The Golden Girls. Actually, it's very funny. I like it. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
Some of the ladies watching the programme, Greg discovered, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
were a little bit overweight, so let's get Diana Dors in. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
Let's lose weight with Double D Diana Dors! | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
Something for the dads there with Diana, something for the grandparents, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
and something for the lady who wants to lose weight. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
-Peggy, step forward. -I think we should have a drum roll. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
-She is beautiful, isn't she? -Hello, Peggy. -Hello. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
You started at 11 stone 13. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
-Yes, something like that. Nearly 12 stones. -How do you feel now? | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
-Fantastic. -Has it made any difference to your life? -Oh, yeah. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
-I've got a great sex life. -A great sex life? | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
We've got to move on to the scales now. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
I think it's a bit early in the morning for that. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
I'm very pleased for you! I'm very pleased for everybody! | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
Wincey Willis was... We just liked her because of her name. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
How can you have a weather person called Wincey Willis?! | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
Down in the south-western corner, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
into the Channel Islands, one or two showers coming in, some heavy, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
and one or two thundery showers about as well. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
By midday today, temperatures scorching again. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
Every presenter had to have some sort of strange trademark. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
Ready? Here we go! | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
Bounce! | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
'She was my PA's fitness teacher, so I got her in' | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
and her name was Lizzie. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
I said, "That's boring, isn't it? We'll call you Mad Lizzie. You go and do this," and she did that. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
The recipes were done by a retired vicar called the Cooking Canon. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
Who cares about figures? I don't! I'm working on mine - it's getting better every week. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
There was a fishing correspondent called the Codfather. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:37:07 | 0:37:08 | |
Who loves skate and chips? | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
'Greg was devil may care. He just wanted to be Snap, Crackle and Pop.' | 0:37:10 | 0:37:15 | |
Can you spot the new look? Yes, you've got it. No woolly jumper. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
Instead, a suit, a tie | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
and an altogether more sophisticated approach. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
'It was done by the seat of the pants, day in, day out.' | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
Trying to get things that would work. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
Competition time. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
While the innovations of TV-am kept pouring in... | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
One slices a bagel in a transverse way to the axis. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
..over at Breakfast Time, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
it was very much a case of "carry on as you were". | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
But with one crucial difference - no Frank and no Selina. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
-Beautifully dressed this morning. -Thank you very much. Good morning. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
While Selina is away on hols, Sue Cook is here with us again. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
And with the BBC big guns on leave, for the first time, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
TV-am sensed a chink in their opponents' armour. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
# Get a great big blanket and a cool pair of shades... # | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
Having noticed that TV-am's viewing figures went up during half-term, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:09 | |
General Dyke literally fought the Battle of Breakfast | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
on the beaches, with new recruit Chris Tarrant. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
Good morning. Are you all right? | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
CROWD: Yes! | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
'What we couldn't believe was that the first time' | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
we crossed live to Chris Tarrant on the beach in Blackpool, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
which was like at about 6:20 in the morning... | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
Don't forget at 8:15, we shall be talking to Keith Harris and Orville. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:37 | |
We crossed there live and there was a big crowd there already. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
So the audience was hungry for what we were trying to sell them. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
Look at the state of this! | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
Chris Tarrant, the Lebanon, News At Ten. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
What a sight! Still looking out for the ferret! | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
If this battle of the beach bulge was helping TV-am to find | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
an audience, one of its surviving presenters was helping to | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
lead the resurgence. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
Ha-ha-ha! | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
Hello, good morning and welcome. Ha-ha-ha! | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
'Not only did I like Roland Rat, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
I liked the guy behind Roland Rat,' | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
who said to me almost on the first day when we met in make-up, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
I said, "Why does it work so well, Roland Rat?" He said, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
"Because Roland Rat's heart and soul are there, in the palm of my hand." | 0:39:16 | 0:39:21 | |
I thought, "Here is a puppeteer who actually believes in it." | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
He was a strange man because he was the most boring man in the world | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
until he put his arm up this rat's arse, in which case he became funny. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
Can you tell us exactly when we're going to see you again on this television programme? | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
All the time! Non-stop! Yeah! | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
'He was just so irreverent, so rude, so unusual in those days.' | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
Sort of quite arsey with people. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
And very arrogant. Very cheeky. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
And absolutely brilliant. Called me "Nic-oh-lars"! | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
-Morning, Nic-oh-lars! -Good morning, Roland. What are you wearing this lot for? | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
He called John Stapleton "Staple Gun" the whole time he was on | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
and poor old John is trying to be a news presenter and having a | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
puppet calling you Staple Gun is not the best means of giving gravitas. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:04 | |
-Give it to old Staple Gun there. -Thank you, Roland. -Morning, John. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
I'm most impressed. That's very kind. Good morning, Roland. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
'Roland Rat... Yeah.' | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
As one wag said at the time, "I've heard of a rat deserting | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
"a sinking ship, I've never heard of a rat joining one." | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
And we'll come back after the break to meet our new presenter, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
who is called Roland Rat, would you believe? | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
What we'll do to stem the ratings. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
-What? -Roland Rat. -And that's going to be a presenter, is it? | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
Nick and I didn't have to feel threatened by Roland Rat | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
cos we'd all come in at the same time | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
and we were all just trying to build an audience. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
I can see that the original famous five might have thought that | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
Roland Rat did not belong because he didn't belong in their master plan. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
But the master plan had completely changed by the time I arrived | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
and Roland Rat was a very important part of it. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
-I am a fan. I've got one of your T-shirts. -Have you? -Yeah. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
Do you wear it all the time? | 0:40:50 | 0:40:51 | |
-Not quite all the time. -Why haven't you got it on today? -Well, you know. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
She wanted to look smart. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:55 | |
I mean, that looks a right mess you got on there. What's that, then? | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
Some cheap thing, innit, eh? | 0:40:58 | 0:40:59 | |
'I like to think I did my bit.' | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
I like to think we all did our bit conveying a more sort of | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
serious news edge. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
At the end of the day, we were probably saved by the rat. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:41:09 | 0:41:10 | |
When you start from a base of nil, you move up. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
Oh, we've hit 30,000 viewers. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:15 | |
50, 100, half a million, a million. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
And I suddenly get a phone call from Clive Jones saying, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
"We've overtaken the BBC." | 0:41:21 | 0:41:22 | |
With Frank and Selina | 0:41:24 | 0:41:25 | |
having been granted leave for the summer holidays, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
TV-am's end-of-the-pier-show counteroffensive had | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
re-established them in the battle for breakfast. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
TV-am started to recover. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
They began to claw back the ratings and do rather better | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
and, well, it was a question of, will their station survive? | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
And it did survive. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
The war for an audience for TV-am suddenly seemed winnable. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
But it didn't have the certainty of the BBC's licence fee | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
and it was wracked by advertising disputes. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
So many doubted its ability to last what would be a long campaign. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
It was a shambles. Absolute financial shambles. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
There were times when we didn't get paid | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
and Anne and I used to go to the accounts department or wherever | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
and say, "Our money hasn't gone in." | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
They'd say, "Sorry, it's the computers." | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
You'd have to go to the head of finance every month | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
and plead for your paycheque. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
No-one was paid and they came up with the usual fib about it | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
being a computer problem, you know. Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
They'd no money. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:25 | |
Nobody in television had ever come across this. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
Television had always been well paid with lots of money flashing around. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
Suddenly, there was a whole station that had no money at all. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
So it was...different. As I say, I enjoyed it. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
I thought it was very stimulating to see what you could do without money. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
There was one day Anne and I were actually on air, | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
chatting away to camera, and I went into a film report or something. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
The director came into our ears and said, "Don't be alarmed but you | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
"might find all the lights go out in a minute and the whole place comes to a standstill." | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
I said, "Why?" He said, "We haven't paid the electricity bill | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
"and they're in reception now, about to turn the power off." | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
And that was true. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
And I think Greg came in and paid a whacking great cheque, | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
which later bounced, but it just staved off the problem immediately. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
There was an advertising agency working for us who phoned me up | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
one day and said, "If we don't get paid... | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
"..we're not going to do any more work." | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
And I said, "I wouldn't do that." | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
They said, "Why?" I said, "There's two piles here. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
"There is the ones who still work for us. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
"They've got a chance of being paid. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
"The other lot have got no chance at all." | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
And they carried on working and in the end they got paid. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
While TV-am remained in the financial mire, the BBC, | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
despite losing some ratings, | 0:43:38 | 0:43:39 | |
still had cause to celebrate what had been a momentous year. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
# Mornings used to be oh, so boring | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
# Nothing to do except stretching and yawning | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
# But then a year ago | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
# Came the birth of a brand-new show | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
# So happy birthday, Breakfast Time | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
# You're one year old and you're looking fine | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
# A new institution A small revolution | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
# Happy birthday, Breakfast Time. # | 0:44:07 | 0:44:14 | |
But as the BBC machine rumbled on relentlessly | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
despite the occasional mishap... | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
I had an encounter with the M4 this morning. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
-I hope my wife's not up. -What do you mean an encounter? | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
Well, there was nobody about but I hit a patch of ice | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
and I spent 200 yards trying to decide | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
whether the car was going into the central reservation or the ditch. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
Oh, heavens. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:32 | |
..things were even more accident prone over on the other side. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
TV-am kind of felt like being a citizen of a banana republic | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
at one stage because every time you | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
looked around there was someone new in the presidential palace. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:44 | |
With losses of over £1 million a month threatening TV-am | 0:44:44 | 0:44:48 | |
with financial oblivion, they turned to Australian tycoon Kerry Packer. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:53 | |
He, in turn, ensured that one of his own was there | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
to oversee the investment. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
Step forward Bruce Gyngell. | 0:44:58 | 0:44:59 | |
Bruce was walking testosterone. Bruce was walking ambition. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
Bruce was not a little wallaby, he was a kangaroo. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:09 | |
He leapt into our world, he led from the front, | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
he was wanting to achieve and he was wanting to...the opposition. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
While Greg Dyke had turned round the viewing figures for TV-am, | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
Packer's appointment was charged | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
with making the operation financially viable. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
Now, the first week he was there, he took me out for lunch. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
We did numerology. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
I didn't know what was but basically it's about coins and numbers | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
and all this. Cos he was a bit cranky. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
And we did all this and he said, | 0:45:34 | 0:45:36 | |
"Boy, this tells me wonderful things. We're going to get along so well." | 0:45:36 | 0:45:41 | |
And I'd gone within a month. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
You have two enormously successful TV guys | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
with two reasonably sized egos | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
and Greg did, I think, feel, | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
"They're kicking me out of my own house and home," | 0:45:54 | 0:45:58 | |
but sensibly didn't think, | 0:45:58 | 0:45:59 | |
"Would this work? Wouldn't this work?" He just went. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:03 | |
Bruce thought about things so carefully. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
It was always a philosophy for him. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
He believed that if you were going to switch on | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
the breakfast television set, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:10 | |
it had to have this lovely, warm glow to it. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
'So he made sure that the set was oranges and pinks | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
'and that my wardrobe had to be pink, frankly. Pink or red.' | 0:46:17 | 0:46:22 | |
Or maybe yellow and orange but never blue. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:26 | |
And he made it very clear to me that he would sack me if I wore blue. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
He insisted, absolutely insisted, that we were bright. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
He went into the make-up room and said, "These kids, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
"they're looking pasty-faced. Brighter. More orange." | 0:46:36 | 0:46:40 | |
Bruce had this wonderful kind of | 0:46:40 | 0:46:41 | |
post-hippie guru type of aura about him. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
You know, the whole thing, his whole belief in pink, | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
the way he had a trampoline in his office. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
He used to bounce on the trampoline every morning | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
and make other people bounce on the trampoline | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
cos it got rid of stress levels. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
There was a lot of sort of funny, | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
quite humorous goings-on. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
He was the first man I ever met who saw me wearing one | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
of my ludicrous jumpers and said to me, meaning it, "I like your style." | 0:47:07 | 0:47:12 | |
With the colour contrast now turned up to 11, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
TV-am continued to close the ratings gap. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
Do you like it? It's fabulous, isn't it? | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
-I'm not going to say no, am I? -No. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
And while historians would declare | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
the years of 1984-86 as a golden age for breakfast television, | 0:47:24 | 0:47:29 | |
in reality, the battle was to become like trench warfare, | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
with neither side able to achieve dominance. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
During this stalemate, viewers could turn on the TV | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
and be forgiven for thinking they were watching the same show. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
-It really does look dreadful. -Well, it looks dreadful, it does. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
SHE STUTTERS AND CHUCKLES Hello. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
And then shrugging up the shoulders to the ears. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
Amid this deluge of daily features, | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
the stalemate continued through to the very fibre of each programme. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:03 | |
We had jumpers for every day of the year. There was an Easter jumper. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
Not just one Easter jumper but a host of them with bunnies, Easter eggs. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
Christmas jumpers, Valentine's Day jumper. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
Whatever the time of year, whatever the season, there was a jumper. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
I could've sold jumpers, you know. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
I could have made a million selling jumpers. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
BBC Wardrobe were looking everywhere for sweaters. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:24 | |
'The great British public started to knit for me.' | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
But not just sweaters. You would get willy warmers that were knitted. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
It was perceived as a battle of the sofas | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
and of course that's what it was. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
I mean, outrageously, I suppose, when we'd come in, we had said, | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
"Right, we're not going to do what the famous five initially did. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
"We're going to out-sofa Breakfast Time." | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
They were doing us. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
TV-am was doing us. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:48 | |
TV-am were BBC Breakfast Time. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
They were doing us. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
They were being us. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:55 | |
By 1986, with their constant bombardment of fun and frivolity, | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
TV-am were consistently achieving 60% of the breakfast audience. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:06 | |
In the face of this assault, the BBC retreated. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
The BBC decided to relaunch Breakfast Time with a desk. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
Good morning and a very warm welcome to BBC Breakfast Time. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
It's Monday, November the 10th and today we start a new look | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
but I hope you'll find us as welcoming as ever. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
It was a sort of round, curved wooden affair | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
with the hint of a pot plant. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:39 | |
Frank was there with his sports jacket on and his tie | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
and I had shoulder pads that almost filled the screen. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:47 | |
As you can see, we've got a splendid new desk here, | 0:49:47 | 0:49:49 | |
from which we'll be giving you all the news of the day | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
and comment on the important stories of the morning. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
And very smart you look, too, in your jacket. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
Somebody up above said, | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
"I think Breakfast Time should be a bit more cerebral than it is. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
"You know, let's have a bit more news." | 0:50:01 | 0:50:03 | |
And in today's programme... | 0:50:03 | 0:50:05 | |
The teachers' dispute - is an end in sight? | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
And beating the terrorists - | 0:50:07 | 0:50:08 | |
can the Europeans come up with a common approach? | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
So, what happened was you got terrific success on your hands | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
and somebody comes and punches it. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
A lot of people in the BBC are much more comfortable | 0:50:17 | 0:50:19 | |
if you're behind a desk and you've got a suit and tie on. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
And that is not what I think breakfast television was ever about. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:28 | |
But it's a tendency in the BBC - just toughen it up, old boy. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
It was I think what the BBC secretly wanted. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
It bored the pants off the nation | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
but it was what the BBC hierarchy secretly wanted. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
The general public, who had come to love the woolly jumper approach, | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
vented their fury. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:46 | |
I'm afraid it's not Breakfast Time. It's not. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
The mood isn't the same. It's gone. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
I felt, if I ate my breakfast while I was watching, | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
I'd end up in detention. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:55 | |
I'd like to see something that makes me feel relaxed and watching | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
Sally Magnusson and Frank Bough behind a desk | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
does not put me at ease. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
You've got a great success on your hands, | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
like Ronald Neil produced for the BBC, | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
it seems to me a terrible thing to change, to want to change it. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:11 | |
But they did. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
Bruce Gyngell said to us, "This is a gift." And it was, of course, a gift. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:17 | |
I can see why people at the BBC might have said, | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
"They've out-sofaed us so therefore | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
"we go back to what the BBC is good at and there will always be | 0:51:21 | 0:51:25 | |
"an audience for that." | 0:51:25 | 0:51:26 | |
But it was a gift to us and we ran and ran with it. Of course we did. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
For the next 12 months, the morning breakfast battle | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
saw the bright-eyed and bushy tailed TV-am firmly | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
in the ascendancy, often hitting audience figures of 2.7 million - | 0:51:37 | 0:51:42 | |
double that of the BBC. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
For one man who'd overseen the early BBC triumphs, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
the breakfast war was over. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
I just thought the management moved the goalposts a little early | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
after the first version. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:54 | |
I think it had a lot more life in it and could've been adapted. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
But there you go. I mean, the BBC calls the shots | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
and they have the right to make the decision. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
I decided I would leave and, indeed, of course, | 0:52:02 | 0:52:06 | |
I didn't leave the programme that I'd started. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
It was an entirely different programme so the departure wasn't | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
particularly painful. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
I had three heroes in broadcasting. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
One was David Frost, | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
another was Michael Parkinson, who I ended up working with, | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
and a third was Frank Bough, who was on the other side. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
I thought Frank Bough was the ultimate broadcaster. And still do. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
Frank Bough's retirement from the battlefield saw the BBC become | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
even more entrenched behind their desks, enlisting such | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
hard-hitting journalists as Kirsty Wark and Jeremy Paxman. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:39 | |
Good morning. It's seven o'clock on Tuesday the 1st of November. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
This is the BBC's Breakfast Time | 0:52:43 | 0:52:44 | |
and these are the main news stories overnight. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
Meanwhile, TV-am continued as a lean, mean sunshine machine, | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
which, despite the departure of breakfast veteran Nick Owen, | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
was not only winning the ratings war, | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
with audiences of nearly 3 million, it was also properly making money. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
But it then picked a fight with itself. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
With most unions now on their knees, | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
Margaret Thatcher saw TV as the last bastion of restrictive practices | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
and, when the technical union ACTT called a strike, | 0:53:15 | 0:53:19 | |
Bruce Gyngell retaliated by locking them out. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
Bruce had clearly pledged to himself and to Margaret Thatcher, I think, | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
that he would beat the unions even if it took locking them out and using | 0:53:25 | 0:53:30 | |
non-union labour to man the cameras and work all the gizmos and gadgets | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
that a television studio has and, ultimately, he kept his word. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
He led from the front. He was in there behind the cameras. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
You know, the management took over. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
There we were, professional presenters sitting on the sofa | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
but behind that camera was a lady who, last week, was head of accounts | 0:53:47 | 0:53:51 | |
and behind the camera over there was somebody who was advertising manager. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
And working all the buttons in the background was somebody else | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
who, you know, was a management figure. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
We are prepared to keep manning the cameras | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
and operating the studios and VTs | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
until such time as they accept the ten-point plan we've put forward. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
Start off on camera two. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:09 | |
The latest national and international news from Sam Hall in Washington | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
and Gordon Honeycombe here in London. Gordon. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
Hello. I'm still here. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
On to the newspapers this morning. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
We did have Gordon Honeycombe a moment or so ago. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
We thought it would damage the franchise but it didn't at all, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
actually. It just shows what the audience want, doesn't it? | 0:54:38 | 0:54:40 | |
Thank you, David, and good morning. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
The news headlines on Sunday, March the 20th. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
The Army has named the two soldiers... | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
Even amid the chaos, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
TV-am could do no wrong, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
with audience figures during the strike actually going up. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
For the BBC, languishing with 30% of the audience share, | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
the darkest hour was before and just after the dawn. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
Where is this man, whatever his name is, who's talking about seals? | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
Where's Dr John Harwood? Quick, quick, quick, quick. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
-Where is Dr Harwood, please? -Somebody get him in there. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
Is he here? Or is he in a studio somewhere? | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
Somebody talk to me, for Christ's sake! | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
With Breakfast Time having become | 0:55:17 | 0:55:18 | |
an uneasy mix of hard news and fluff, | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
in 1989, the BBC ditched the breakfast magazine show experiment | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
for some unrelenting hard news. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
A very good morning to you and welcome from Jill and me. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
The time is eight o'clock. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
You're watching the first edition of the BBC's Breakfast News. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
He'd triumphed in the ratings and defeated the union. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
Now, counting Margaret Thatcher as a personal friend, | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
Bruce Gyngell's technicolor TV-am just had to secure the renewal | 0:55:47 | 0:55:52 | |
of the original franchise to ensure another glorious eight years. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:56 | |
The first seven years of TV-am were quite extraordinary. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
From nothing, it went to something huge and, under Bruce Gyngell, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
the rocket really took off | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
and I think Bruce thought that he was unbeatable. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
He'd beaten the unions, he'd beaten the BBC, he was the golden boy. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:12 | |
And he assumed that he was going to have the franchise renewed. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
Good evening. Mrs Thatcher has told TV-am | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
she's heartbroken that it will lose | 0:56:22 | 0:56:24 | |
its licence to broadcast breakfast television. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
In 1990, the Conservative government had revised the rules | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
on bidding for independent television franchises. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
Despite Gyngell turning TV-am into the very model of Thatcherism, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
well, rules are rules. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
"I'm only too painfully aware that I was responsible for the legislation. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:45 | |
"Yours sincerely, Margaret Thatcher." | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
And in the "all's fair in love and war" world of breakfast telly, | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
it was Sunrise Television, led by a TV-am exile, who took the spoils. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:57 | |
When we won it... | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
..there's always a degree of revenge is a dish best delivered cold. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:06 | |
And there's a few people in your life | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
you'd like to get your own back on and Bruce was one of them and we did. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
The battle for Britain's breakfast of 1983-91 | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
was a unique chapter in British broadcasting, | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
with the upstart commercial venture of TV-am giving the mighty BBC | 0:57:23 | 0:57:28 | |
a run for its money before fading from the battlefield. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:32 | |
We now have to say it finally. Thank you and goodbye. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
ALL: Goodbye. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
In this war of the sofas, there were many casualties but both | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
the victors and the losers had changed the TV landscape for ever. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:45 | |
If you look back now at Britain before breakfast television, | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
it was fairly stiff and starchy and formulaic. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
Breakfast Time worked because you couldn't quite | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
predict as a viewer what you were going to see next. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
SHE GIGGLES AND SHRIEKS | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
It was the unexpectedness of it, you know. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:00 | |
It made television more accessible to people. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:03 | |
It was cosy, it was chatty, | 0:58:03 | 0:58:04 | |
we invited viewers to give us their opinion. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
"Nick is not boring," says Francis of London. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:09 | |
Thank you, Francis. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:11 | |
And they felt a part of it and I think that was a big, big difference it made. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:14 | |
You can have a really, really personal relationship with your audience. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:18 | |
Even more so now they can tweet and text in and things like that. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
I think it's brilliant. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:23 | |
I think breakfast television has done us all a power of good. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:25 | |
I think, certainly, breakfast television did introduce | 0:58:25 | 0:58:29 | |
a much greater degree of informality to the media. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:35 | |
Was that a good thing or not? I don't know. | 0:58:35 | 0:58:39 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, live, all the way from George Square, Glasgow, | 0:58:39 | 0:58:44 | |
Mr Tony Ferrelli singing Memories | 0:58:44 | 0:58:46 | |
inside a washing machine. | 0:58:46 | 0:58:49 | |
# Memories | 0:58:49 | 0:58:53 | |
# Like the corners of my mind | 0:58:53 | 0:58:57 | |
# Misty, watercolour memories | 0:58:58 | 0:59:05 | |
# Of the way we were. # | 0:59:05 | 0:59:08 |