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Many, many years ago, I left Liverpool from this very station | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
to enrol at the Chelsea School of Art in London, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
and what inspired me to become a painter was the Walker Art Gallery | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
and one of the city's greatest ever cultural achievements - | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
The John Moores Painting Prize. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
Put together all the names | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
and art movements represented by John Moores winners and you've | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
pretty much got the story of the best of post-war British painting. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
David Hockney won the top prize, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
Peter Blake won a junior prize, Howard Hodgkin came second twice, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
Bridget Riley won a pink fluffy elephant... | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
Well, actually, she won 100 quid. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
But who will join that illustrious company this year | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
and become a future art star? | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
'I'm following this year's competition, meeting all the | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
'shortlisted artists and speaking to some famous art world figures, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
'before we find out who joins | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
'the pantheon of John Moores prize winners. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
'So, if you want to know why painting is not dead, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
'not even vaguely poorly, watch this film.' | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
In 1971, when I got on that crowded train to London, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
Liverpool was at rock bottom, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
but I was certain I would become the most celebrated painter | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
of my generation - | 0:19:05 | 0:19:06 | |
I'm mean, look at the quality of the work I was producing at the time... | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
But I fell out of love with painting, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
and became the world's first fat, angry, balding, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
tight-suited, Liverpudlian, Marxist-Jewish comedian, instead. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
Shut up! | 0:19:21 | 0:19:22 | |
Meanwhile, Liverpool was being regenerated by art, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
and I've been wondering what I've missed. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
Today, the arts add £85 million per year to Liverpool's economy, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
and you could say John Moores kicked it all off. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
He was a post office messenger boy, forced to work in conditions | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
as cramped and devoid of world-class British painting as these. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
Undaunted, he went on to create the Littlewoods pools, catalogue | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
and retail empire, and as a very rich man, he developed | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
a love of painting. And from that grew the John Moores Painting Prize. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
My heroes are Cezanne, Van Gogh and Matisse, etc... | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
As a child of communist parents, I should have hated him, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
and in fact my mum actually worked for Littlewoods Pools, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
and somehow we couldn't hate a man | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
who sold his Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow in an act of solidarity | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
for his workers, but kept his chauffeur | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
to drive him around in a Mini Metro, because he didn't want to sack him. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
When John Moores founded his prize, in 1957, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
he wrote a letter to the Times which stated that he felt | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
the decline in the quality of British art galleries was due to | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
"the concentration of arts shows, art criticism and the like | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
"being in London." He wanted the biggest, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
best, most inclusive British art prize to be held in Liverpool. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
And to be held here, at the Walker Art Gallery. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
In my first week at Chelsea School of Art, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
we had an art history lecture, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
and the lecturer put up a slide of a Van Gogh painting, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
and a girl in my class said, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:11 | |
"Oh, I know that, it's in the hall of our flat in Rome." | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
And I thought, bloody hell, it's not even in the living room, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
it's in the hall where they hang the coats. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
'Now, obviously, most of us can't live surrounded by Van Goghs. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
'But this was my version of that. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
'It's where I learned to appreciate great art, like the Holbein | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
'and the Rembrandt, and also to enjoy the bad stuff, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
'like When Did You Last See Your Father?' | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
It's terrible! | 0:21:38 | 0:21:39 | |
I suppose it's typical of Liverpool that one of the biggest events | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
in the social and artistic calendar | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
should have been a prize for contemporary art. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
The competition is anonymous and open to anyone. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
Over 2,500 painters sent in their work, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
and these were whittled down by a jury of leading contemporary artists | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
and the Royal Academy's Tim Marlow. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
The 50 paintings they've chosen to be exhibited | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
are going up on the walls today. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
Now, it's widely believed that the conceptualist mafia, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
with their unmade beds and pickled sharks, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
snuffed out painting years ago, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
but the vitality of the stuff on show here | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
makes a mockery of that notion. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
That idea that it's died is a nonsense, it's still resilient. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
I'm not sure it even needs defending any more. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
Tim Marlow's in charge of the hang, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
and, as the artists seem to have painted on every surface | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
known to man this year, it's going to be tricky. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
There's a particular problem with this one, painted on a crisp packet. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
It's called 80 Calories. It's fabulous. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
It is. Do you know, I thought it was a vast, epic painting, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
then when you see it in the flesh it's a complete surprise. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
Do you know why it's painted on a crisp packet? | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
No! I tell you what though - it's a bastard to hang, this one. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
I know, where are you going to put it? | 0:23:03 | 0:23:04 | |
'Where else in the world would a painting on a crisp packet | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
'hang in the same room as a picture such as this?' | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
This is fabulous, lovely. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
Lovely wouldn't be my description. ALEXEI CACKLES | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
You see, I see the raw beauty in these things. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
I see this as lovely. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
This must be to do with contemporary conflict, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
with innocent victims of war. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
Do you feel manipulated when you look at this? I do, slightly. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
That's not necessarily a bad thing. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
Whichever of these paintings wins, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:29 | |
it will join some of Britain's greatest ever works of art | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
in the permanent exhibition | 0:23:33 | 0:23:34 | |
of John Moores first prize winners at the Walker. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
In the art world, a place here is premium real estate. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
The first-ever prize-winner is here, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
Jack Smith's Creation and Crucifixion, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
and Mary Martin's Cross. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
She came joint first with Richard Hamilton, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
but died before getting the prize. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
Peter Doig won, so did Peter Davies, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
with the controversial Superstar *** | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
And Sarah Pickstone's 2012 winner is exquisite. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:04 | |
No less exquisite is Peter Getting Out Of Nick's Pool, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
by David Hockney, which John Moores actually hated. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
Why did this win the first prize? | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
After accepting his £1,500 cheque from John Moores, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
Hockney used the money to send his mum and dad on holiday. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
But not all the winners were as nice. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
Roger Hilton, who won in 1963, was a veritable enfant terrible. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:33 | |
After aiming a high kick at his own painting, | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
he said all the other painters in the show were crap, which is harsh, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
considering Bridget Riley and RB Kitaj were amongst the runners-up. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
Then he violently accused Alderman Jack Braddock of wearing a wig! | 0:24:46 | 0:24:51 | |
Later that night, Braddock died! | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
What Hilton didn't know was he'd just offed one of the most | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
powerful and connected men in Liverpool, | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
and allegedly had to flee the country to escape the heat. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
Now, you don't get that kind of shenanigans at the Venice Biennale! | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
I have actually won a John Moores art prize - | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
it's an honour I share with Sir Peter Blake. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
That's because John Moores also sponsored the Littlewoods | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
Little Woody kids club drawing competition, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
which I won in 1961 - and I got a pencil case. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
That same year, young Peter Blake won the Junior John Moores | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
Painting Prize for his Self-Portrait With Badges. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
He got £250. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:33 | |
-Hello. -Hello. -Nice to meet you. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
And you. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:37 | |
The painting you won with is very iconic, you know... | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
-It's become iconic. -Yes, extraordinary. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
I'm wearing a blue denim suit, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
which wouldn't have been worn in '61, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
it would be very rare. The other thing is I'm wearing trainers. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:56 | |
Us young artists then wore them because Pollock wore them. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
-Really? -It was iconic because it was so weird. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
Did it feel like a big deal, winning the John Moores? | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
Yes, at the time. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
It was just getting into its stride, so '61 was a key year, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
in a way - all the artists then... | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
The old boy was around, John Moore was still around, presented it. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
It wasn't just the future hero of pop art | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
that the John Moores prize spotted early. That year, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
Leon Kossoff and RB Kitaj came first and second in the main prize. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:34 | |
And even Lucian Freud won £40. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
A beautiful picture | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
of him standing in a room in Paris, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
with his wife Caroline Blackwood in bed, a famous picture, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
and I'm pretty sure it was 40 pounds. If you could imagine that now. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
That £40 for what is considered one of Freud's early period | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
masterpieces would have earned you a profit of over £27 million by now. | 0:26:54 | 0:27:01 | |
The very first time I met The Beatles and had | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
a conversation with John Lennon, his first words to me were, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
"You shouldn't have won the John Moores, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
"Stuart Sutcliffe should have got that." | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
-Really? -Yes, absolutely! | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
Although Sutcliffe never won a prize, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
John Moores bought one of his paintings. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
He used the money to buy a bass guitar, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:22 | |
and helped form a band called The Beatles. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
So, today's the day the short list of five is being announced, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
and I'm told 49 out of the 50 artists have turned up. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
They are laying on a buffet, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
so that might have something to do with it. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
In my day, painters were a scruffy load of sods. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
These days, everybody looks very elegant, and so are the paintings. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
Which painting is yours? | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
The one over there with all the thousands of people in it. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
'Over 60,000 individually drawn people, to be precise.' | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
-How long did that take? -About nine months. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
Nine months on one painting. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
Then about 12 months to recover! | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
There's more people here than there are artists. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
I also haven't got me glasses on! | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
'I love the sense of surprise you get at the John Moores. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
'One amazing image follows another. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
'I found the person behind my favourite painting so far...' | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
It's about creating something memorable, and of beauty, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:33 | |
which is essentially tragic. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
'But after a while, the atmosphere gets tense. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
'What they really want to know is which of them has been short listed | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
'down to the final five. And in no particular order they were...' | 0:28:43 | 0:28:48 | |
-Mandy Payne. -'..For her brutalist urban landscape.' | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
-Alessandro Raho. -'..For his enigmatic full-length portrait.' | 0:28:54 | 0:29:00 | |
-Rose Wylie. -'..For her huge, delirious group of ladies.' | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
-Juliette Losq. -'..For an equally epic watercolour.' | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
And Rae Hicks. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:19 | |
'..Who was late.' | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
Was that overweening arrogance, or just bad geography? | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
I started in Whitstable, this morning. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
Is that a kind of artist thing, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
you started out from Whitstable as a kind of performance art piece? | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
That's right, I walked to Liverpool! | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
Ha-ha-ha! | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
Tell me about the painting. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:41 | |
It all came out as a kind of fascination with landscape | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
manufacture. Everything here is made to look like a prop. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
-You've just kind of invented... -Absolutely, it wasn't done from | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
-observation, exactly. -Do you feel there's a beauty contest, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
X-Factor kind of feel to this? | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
Um... I've only been on The X Factor once... | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
ALEXEI LAUGHS | 0:30:02 | 0:30:03 | |
You're going to win this. You're going to be the boy. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
'If Rae wins, he'll be the youngest ever winner. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
'His painting, by the way, in the terms of contemporary | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
'European art world discourse, is as cutting edge as you can get. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
'So, the five shortlisted prize winners get £2,500 each, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:25 | |
'and their paintings will now go on to inanimately fight it out | 0:30:25 | 0:30:30 | |
'for £25,000 first prize money.' | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
Juliette Losq has entered a view of a back yard. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
It's an intimate subject, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
but painted on a gigantic scale | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
and in watercolour. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
It's an intellectual and technical tour de force. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
She won the Jerwood Drawing Prize in 2005, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
so will she bag another top prize this year? | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
Your paper bill must be gigantic! | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
It's huge, it's one sheet, the biggest sheet of paper | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
I could actually find in one piece. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
Why do you think you work so big? | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
It's the idea a watercolour is traditionally something small | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
and delicate, and it's portable and like a study. I just wanted | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
to say, well, actually, it can be as big as a history painting, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
as big as an oil painting. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:15 | |
The subject doesn't have to be as grand either. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
-Would you like to win? -I'd very much like to win. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
Are you the best here? | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
I'm not, but that doesn't stop me wanting to win. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
'The other shortlistees then got tangled up with the press, | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
'but I wanted to catch up with them. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
'I started off in Hastings, home of Alessandro Raho.' | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
If you were a betting man, you'd put your money on Alessandro to win it. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
He was a student of Goldsmiths College in that crucial period, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
and he exhibited in the Brilliant! exhibition, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
which was full of young British artists, and gave the world | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
the moniker...Young British Artists. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
You could say he's a player. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
-Hello. -Hello, come in. -Thank you. After you. It's your studio. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:14 | |
-Are you excited about the John Moores? -Really, yep, thrilled. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:19 | |
There's a few flights of steps here. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
-I'm right at the top in the little studio. -It smells of cloves. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
That's very knowledgeable. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
You're one of the only people to have ever noticed that - | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
even painters, it's a trade secret. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
'I get the feeling Alessandro and his young family moved away | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
'from the London art scene, so he could practise his trade in peace. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
'His repetition of cool, stark portraits smacks of a painter | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
'creating images for posterity to look back on, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
'and painstakingly mastering his craft.' | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
People sometimes say to me, why don't you take it up again? | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
It would take me five years to get back to the physical skill I had | 0:32:55 | 0:33:01 | |
when I was 18 or 20 years old. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
-Yeah. -It's a physical activity, it's a craft - | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
-that's, in the end, what's thrilling about it. -Yeah. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:12 | |
I'm trying to make the marks that irritate me the least. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
Often I'll paint these up and they quickly look quite nice, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
sketching them in, but then I find that mark irritates me, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
because it's showy, or it likes its cleverness. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
Oil paint is such a sensitive medium, there's nowhere to hide. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
It'll pick up everything, but you do learn to get used to it. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
There's still some bits on here - I don't know if it's...still there. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:42 | |
I'm just taking... Can you see those slight lines? | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
I'm just starting to... | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
-So this is pushing around paint that's on the surface. -Right. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
So that creates feelings that are different to if I had a brush | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
-and did this. -Right. -You know, I'm able to modulate it | 0:33:55 | 0:34:01 | |
while it's on there. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
This surface is meant to entice, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
meant to be seductive as a painted surface, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
it's creamy, very thick paint, actually, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
that I've just kind of pushed down. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
Who's this? | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
This is a commission, this is something new. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
I haven't done many commissions. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
'Alessandro proves that the John Moores prize is still | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
'a beacon for the very best of British painting. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
'His paintings are masterful, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
'and there's no doubt they'll become more important as they age.' | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
You know, I have thought - not to be too morose - | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
this would be an interesting room when we're all dead. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
What happens, you know, when you become these ghosts? | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
That's how painting exists, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
that's one of the beautiful aspects. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
You look at communities that have gone, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
and cultures that have gone, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
and the paintings are still there. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
'Later, I'm going to meet Mandy Payne and Rose Wylie, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
'but first, I'm off to meet the Chapman Brothers, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
'to accuse them of being despotic.' | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
You see, in 1965, none other than Clement Greenberg was | 0:35:08 | 0:35:13 | |
the chair of the John Moores jury. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
This great American critic could make or break a painter's career | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
with a Caesar-like wag of his thumb, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
and his latest cause was colour-field painting. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
So, what sort of painter won, I wonder? | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
None other than prominent British colour-fieldist Michael Tyzack, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:34 | |
who was closely followed by fellow abstract colourist | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
Michael Kidner. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
What if there weren't one, but two Clement Greenbergs on the jury? | 0:35:39 | 0:35:44 | |
Jake and Dinos Chapman, collectively known as the Chapman Brothers, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
are the scourge of the British middle-class. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
Their work is puerile, highly irritating and brilliant. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
I actually paid for two brothers. Where's the other one? | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
The other one's gone missing. Doesn't actually exist. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
I should have his face painted on the back of my head. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
'I wanted to confront Jake with an uncanny description | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
'of a painting he and his brother short listed for the 2008 prize.' | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
Jake, if I could just read one of the descriptions | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
of one of the paintings what you chose - Grant Foster, Hero Worship. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
"Painting indicates inhuman and barbaric practices. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
"The characters are both victim and villain, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
"self-portrait and fiction." | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
Does that sound like anybody you know? | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
-Let me see that. I didn't pick that. -You saying you didn't pick that? | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
No, no, I did. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
When you and your brother were on the jury, did you feel | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
compelled to pick work like yours? | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
Your tendency towards things is going to be governed | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
by similarities in ideas. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
So, as a fully paid up pessimist, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
you don't often find yourself gravitating towards things | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
that are optimistic. | 0:36:58 | 0:36:59 | |
You didn't feel compelled as a jury member to be more... | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
Even handed? The problem is that the way in which we judge | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
works of art is often by whether a child can like it. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
I think Matisse has to be defended from the idea that | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
little Tarquin can cut out pieces of tissue and stick them on paper. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
That there's any similarity between the two is absurd. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
It's like saying walnut's good for you because it looks like a brain. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
You know? There's no connection. ALEXEI CHUCKLES | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
There's no connection. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
'In a desperate attempt to bring him around to the point of the interview | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
'I asked Jake to pick a winner.' | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
I don't know, really, what do you think? | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
'Typically, he was more interested | 0:37:35 | 0:37:36 | |
'in the back of the images than the front.' | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
-Have you got any preferences? -That one. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
ALEXEI LAUGHS | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
-There's always a dark underbelly. -'Should have known better.' | 0:37:43 | 0:37:48 | |
'The next stop on my John Moores odyssey was Rose Wylie.' | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
Rose! | 0:37:56 | 0:37:57 | |
'When we set up the interview with her, | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
'she decided that she'd like to see me paint rather than paint herself.' | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
-Hello. -Hi, Rose. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:06 | |
I've got you for an art class. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
'After seeing Alessandro, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:10 | |
'I'd actually like to give it another go.' | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
They're not girls' gloves, so they should fit OK. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
I use these to pick up the cat's poo. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
They're very good, and then you throw them away. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
Rose is British painting's Cinderella. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
She has been painting since 1956, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
and is admired by fans such as Germaine Greer. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
For the last 20 years, she's been on the verge of a big prize, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
but never quite got there. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
She's pretty rugged, isn't she? | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
'In its own quiet way, Rose's work is pretty rugged. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
'It has to be to withstand the jibes of people like Brian Sewell, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
who called Rose "a mad old bat in second infancy, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
"whose scribbles, scrawls and daubs are deplorable rubbish." | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
He doesn't realise the paintings are done with huge difficulty. | 0:38:55 | 0:39:02 | |
You don't feel annoyed with him? | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
-No. -Let's let that dry and talk about one of your pictures. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
Your model was Joe Hart, England footballer and dandruff model? | 0:39:08 | 0:39:14 | |
It was Joe Hart for quite a long time, four months, six months, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:19 | |
and then I turned him into a Nazi. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
Do you think your paintings are actually saying something? | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
They're saying the picture. They're saying what they look like. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
That's all. There's no politics. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
Not really, no. I quite like the message to be how it looks. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:37 | |
I think Rose is more radical than that. If you look closely, | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
you'll see her paintings satirising the act of painting itself. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
She's a real punk, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
and deserves to be one of the art world's most admired painters. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
And she's helped me paint Kinki Nazi Leg, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
my first painting since art school. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
So, do you think painting is a compulsion? | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
I think it probably is. Why do we go on doing it when nothing happens? | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
You just keep doing it. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
What making this programme has brought up for me | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
is how much I've lost by being what I am, because the way | 0:40:09 | 0:40:15 | |
you painters are is this wonderful kind of self-contained | 0:40:15 | 0:40:20 | |
sense of satisfaction. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
'Rose first entered the John Moores Painting Prize in 1990. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
'If she wins, nearly 25 years after her first attempt, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
'she'll be the oldest and most subversive ever winner. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
'I'm beginning to miss painting. But it's never too late to start. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
'Mandy Payne only became a full-time painter in 2013. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
'Her inclusion on the short list | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
'is what makes the John Moores so unique. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
'She's new to the game, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
'but her images of Sheffield's Park Hill flats have the power | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
'and presence that most artists fail to achieve in a lifetime.' | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
So, Mandy, one day people will visit this site as they now visit | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
-Giverny for water lilies. -I doubt it, but, yes. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:08 | |
-Is it celebratory? -I think it is. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
Celebratory of the architecture, the history, memories. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:15 | |
'Technically, Mandy's paintings are astonishing. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
'Out in her garden shed, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
'she sprays with aerosols onto her concrete canvases.' | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
Where did that impulse come from? | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
I wanted to use materials integral to the site, so that's why I started | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
using concrete. This is the mould I used for Brutal, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:35 | |
and I think I possibly used one of these old baking trays, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
which have got the little feet on | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
which you can use to hang the piece of concrete when it's finished. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
'Mandy works on her images section by section. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
'And, like every streetwise tagger knows, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
'it's all about varying the pressure.' | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
You actually have the picture in your head? | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
MUFFLED: Yeah, I know what... | 0:41:56 | 0:41:57 | |
You know what you're doing. I can't hear a word you're saying. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
What, I'm the greatest comedian of all time? | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
That's nice of you to say! | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
There's only been three women have won the prize since 1957. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
The odds are not great then, are they, really? | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
Sarah Pickstone was the last one, wasn't she? That was last year. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
Mind you, there are three women in the final. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
I'm going to go to the betting shop | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
and wager a sovereign on Mandy Payne! | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
OK, that's all the five shortlistees - | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
Rae Hicks, Juliette Losq, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
Alessandro Raho, Rose Wylie and Mandy Payne. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
'But who's going to win? | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
'And what will winning do for them? | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
'I went to the artistic capital of western Europe - | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
'Hackney in East London - to ask Peter Doig, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
'who, when he won in 1993, didn't have two pennies to rub together.' | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
Bloody... | 0:42:49 | 0:42:50 | |
This is a beautiful space. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
Not too bad, yeah? | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
'When Peter Doig's White Canoe | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
'was sold at Sotheby's for £5.73 million in 2007, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
'he entered the super league, but, unassuming as he is, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
'he is unarguably one of the world's greatest living painters. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:11 | |
'In 1993, he was on the verge of giving up painting | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
'when he got a £20,000 reprieve through the post, | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
'care of John Moores.' | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
I just assumed it was a rejection letter, | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
because I had entered a number of times before and never been accepted | 0:43:23 | 0:43:28 | |
even into the exhibition phase. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
So I just assumed it was a rejection letter. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
But I opened it up, and it was a shock. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
It seems to me that winning the John Moores Painting Prize with Blotter | 0:43:36 | 0:43:41 | |
means more to Peter Doig than the millions he's got for his paintings. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:45 | |
To be part of the group of artists that have won the John Moores - | 0:43:45 | 0:43:50 | |
you knew Bridget Riley had won it, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:51 | |
Richard Hamilton had won it, you knew Hockney had won it. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:55 | |
I have the five shortlistees here, and I'd like your opinion. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:59 | |
You could say it comes from kind of a British tradition of, you know, | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
Spencer, Freud. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
This looks quite knowing, in current trends of painting. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
I know this guy, I used to teach him at Goldsmiths years ago. Interesting. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:15 | |
Don't recognise that austere looking... | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
It's actually painted on concrete, as well. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
That to me is a real achievement, | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
someone is able to handle scale in a very sophisticated way. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
If you see a Rose Wylie painting, you know it's a Rose Wylie painting, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
and that's special. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:31 | |
So which do you think would be your choice? | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
Well, I'm going to sit on the fence a little bit | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
and say I'd like one of these three to win. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
So, today is the day when the winner is announced. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
I'm actually very excited. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
Through making this programme, I've actually become very fond | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
of all those who were shortlisted, and this is my last chance to talk | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
to them before one of them has their lives changed completely for ever. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
Just a bit. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
This bit is quite stressful, the last bit was nothing to lose. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:08 | |
It's something that will be on my CV for ever | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
and I'm pleased to have got as far as I did. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
I've always put in for it, then you get rejected, | 0:45:13 | 0:45:15 | |
then you get in and you're one of the prize-winners. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
Totally fine. Quite mellow. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
I'm trying not to focus on it, really, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
-just blank it out of my mind. -Where do you think you are, then? | 0:45:23 | 0:45:27 | |
Who knows! | 0:45:27 | 0:45:28 | |
The announcement of the John Moores Painting Prize 2014. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
And that winner is Rose Wylie. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:45:37 | 0:45:38 | |
Sort of like a proud parent, even though she is a lot older than me. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:44 | |
Brian Sewell is going to go bat shit. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
-He won't know what to say about it. -So, how do you feel now? | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
I feel terrific. You know, it's very unexpected. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
My daughter was quite sure I would win it | 0:45:59 | 0:46:01 | |
and I was quite sure I would not. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
Well, that's it. I feel weirdly emotional, really. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
I'm thrilled for Rose, but I feel sorry for the other four, in a way. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
It's been interesting. I think being a painter is a wonderful life. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:18 | |
It does make me want to get my paint out again, | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
but, on the other hand, I don't know if I could take the tension. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 |