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Many, many years ago, I left Liverpool from this very station

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to enrol at the Chelsea School of Art in London,

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and what inspired me to become a painter was the Walker Art Gallery

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and one of the city's greatest ever cultural achievements -

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The John Moores Painting Prize.

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Put together all the names

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and art movements represented by John Moores winners and you've

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pretty much got the story of the best of post-war British painting.

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David Hockney won the top prize,

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Peter Blake won a junior prize, Howard Hodgkin came second twice,

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Bridget Riley won a pink fluffy elephant...

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Well, actually, she won 100 quid.

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But who will join that illustrious company this year

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and become a future art star?

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'I'm following this year's competition, meeting all the

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'shortlisted artists and speaking to some famous art world figures,

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'before we find out who joins

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'the pantheon of John Moores prize winners.

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'So, if you want to know why painting is not dead,

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'not even vaguely poorly, watch this film.'

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In 1971, when I got on that crowded train to London,

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Liverpool was at rock bottom,

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but I was certain I would become the most celebrated painter

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of my generation -

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I'm mean, look at the quality of the work I was producing at the time...

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But I fell out of love with painting,

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and became the world's first fat, angry, balding,

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tight-suited, Liverpudlian, Marxist-Jewish comedian, instead.

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Shut up!

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Meanwhile, Liverpool was being regenerated by art,

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and I've been wondering what I've missed.

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Today, the arts add £85 million per year to Liverpool's economy,

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and you could say John Moores kicked it all off.

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He was a post office messenger boy, forced to work in conditions

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as cramped and devoid of world-class British painting as these.

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Undaunted, he went on to create the Littlewoods pools, catalogue

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and retail empire, and as a very rich man, he developed

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a love of painting. And from that grew the John Moores Painting Prize.

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My heroes are Cezanne, Van Gogh and Matisse, etc...

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As a child of communist parents, I should have hated him,

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and in fact my mum actually worked for Littlewoods Pools,

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and somehow we couldn't hate a man

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who sold his Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow in an act of solidarity

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for his workers, but kept his chauffeur

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to drive him around in a Mini Metro, because he didn't want to sack him.

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When John Moores founded his prize, in 1957,

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he wrote a letter to the Times which stated that he felt

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the decline in the quality of British art galleries was due to

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"the concentration of arts shows, art criticism and the like

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"being in London." He wanted the biggest,

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best, most inclusive British art prize to be held in Liverpool.

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And to be held here, at the Walker Art Gallery.

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In my first week at Chelsea School of Art,

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we had an art history lecture,

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and the lecturer put up a slide of a Van Gogh painting,

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and a girl in my class said,

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"Oh, I know that, it's in the hall of our flat in Rome."

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And I thought, bloody hell, it's not even in the living room,

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it's in the hall where they hang the coats.

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'Now, obviously, most of us can't live surrounded by Van Goghs.

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'But this was my version of that.

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'It's where I learned to appreciate great art, like the Holbein

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'and the Rembrandt, and also to enjoy the bad stuff,

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'like When Did You Last See Your Father?'

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It's terrible!

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I suppose it's typical of Liverpool that one of the biggest events

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in the social and artistic calendar

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should have been a prize for contemporary art.

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The competition is anonymous and open to anyone.

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Over 2,500 painters sent in their work,

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and these were whittled down by a jury of leading contemporary artists

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and the Royal Academy's Tim Marlow.

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The 50 paintings they've chosen to be exhibited

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are going up on the walls today.

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Now, it's widely believed that the conceptualist mafia,

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with their unmade beds and pickled sharks,

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snuffed out painting years ago,

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but the vitality of the stuff on show here

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makes a mockery of that notion.

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That idea that it's died is a nonsense, it's still resilient.

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I'm not sure it even needs defending any more.

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Tim Marlow's in charge of the hang,

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and, as the artists seem to have painted on every surface

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known to man this year, it's going to be tricky.

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There's a particular problem with this one, painted on a crisp packet.

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It's called 80 Calories. It's fabulous.

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It is. Do you know, I thought it was a vast, epic painting,

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then when you see it in the flesh it's a complete surprise.

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Do you know why it's painted on a crisp packet?

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No! I tell you what though - it's a bastard to hang, this one.

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I know, where are you going to put it?

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'Where else in the world would a painting on a crisp packet

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'hang in the same room as a picture such as this?'

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This is fabulous, lovely.

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Lovely wouldn't be my description. ALEXEI CACKLES

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You see, I see the raw beauty in these things.

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I see this as lovely.

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This must be to do with contemporary conflict,

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with innocent victims of war.

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Do you feel manipulated when you look at this? I do, slightly.

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That's not necessarily a bad thing.

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Whichever of these paintings wins,

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it will join some of Britain's greatest ever works of art

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in the permanent exhibition

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of John Moores first prize winners at the Walker.

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In the art world, a place here is premium real estate.

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The first-ever prize-winner is here,

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Jack Smith's Creation and Crucifixion,

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and Mary Martin's Cross.

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She came joint first with Richard Hamilton,

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but died before getting the prize.

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Peter Doig won, so did Peter Davies,

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with the controversial Superstar ***

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And Sarah Pickstone's 2012 winner is exquisite.

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No less exquisite is Peter Getting Out Of Nick's Pool,

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by David Hockney, which John Moores actually hated.

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Why did this win the first prize?

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After accepting his £1,500 cheque from John Moores,

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Hockney used the money to send his mum and dad on holiday.

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But not all the winners were as nice.

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Roger Hilton, who won in 1963, was a veritable enfant terrible.

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After aiming a high kick at his own painting,

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he said all the other painters in the show were crap, which is harsh,

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considering Bridget Riley and RB Kitaj were amongst the runners-up.

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Then he violently accused Alderman Jack Braddock of wearing a wig!

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Later that night, Braddock died!

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What Hilton didn't know was he'd just offed one of the most

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powerful and connected men in Liverpool,

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and allegedly had to flee the country to escape the heat.

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Now, you don't get that kind of shenanigans at the Venice Biennale!

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I have actually won a John Moores art prize -

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it's an honour I share with Sir Peter Blake.

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That's because John Moores also sponsored the Littlewoods

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Little Woody kids club drawing competition,

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which I won in 1961 - and I got a pencil case.

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That same year, young Peter Blake won the Junior John Moores

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Painting Prize for his Self-Portrait With Badges.

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He got £250.

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-Hello.

-Hello.

-Nice to meet you.

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And you.

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The painting you won with is very iconic, you know...

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-It's become iconic.

-Yes, extraordinary.

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I'm wearing a blue denim suit,

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which wouldn't have been worn in '61,

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it would be very rare. The other thing is I'm wearing trainers.

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Us young artists then wore them because Pollock wore them.

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-Really?

-It was iconic because it was so weird.

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Did it feel like a big deal, winning the John Moores?

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Yes, at the time.

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It was just getting into its stride, so '61 was a key year,

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in a way - all the artists then...

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The old boy was around, John Moore was still around, presented it.

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It wasn't just the future hero of pop art

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that the John Moores prize spotted early. That year,

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Leon Kossoff and RB Kitaj came first and second in the main prize.

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And even Lucian Freud won £40.

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A beautiful picture

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of him standing in a room in Paris,

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with his wife Caroline Blackwood in bed, a famous picture,

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and I'm pretty sure it was 40 pounds. If you could imagine that now.

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That £40 for what is considered one of Freud's early period

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masterpieces would have earned you a profit of over £27 million by now.

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The very first time I met The Beatles and had

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a conversation with John Lennon, his first words to me were,

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"You shouldn't have won the John Moores,

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"Stuart Sutcliffe should have got that."

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-Really?

-Yes, absolutely!

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Although Sutcliffe never won a prize,

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John Moores bought one of his paintings.

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He used the money to buy a bass guitar,

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and helped form a band called The Beatles.

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So, today's the day the short list of five is being announced,

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and I'm told 49 out of the 50 artists have turned up.

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They are laying on a buffet,

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so that might have something to do with it.

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In my day, painters were a scruffy load of sods.

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These days, everybody looks very elegant, and so are the paintings.

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Which painting is yours?

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The one over there with all the thousands of people in it.

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'Over 60,000 individually drawn people, to be precise.'

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-How long did that take?

-About nine months.

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Nine months on one painting.

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Then about 12 months to recover!

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There's more people here than there are artists.

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I also haven't got me glasses on!

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'I love the sense of surprise you get at the John Moores.

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'One amazing image follows another.

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'I found the person behind my favourite painting so far...'

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It's about creating something memorable, and of beauty,

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which is essentially tragic.

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'But after a while, the atmosphere gets tense.

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'What they really want to know is which of them has been short listed

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'down to the final five. And in no particular order they were...'

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-Mandy Payne.

-'..For her brutalist urban landscape.'

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-Alessandro Raho.

-'..For his enigmatic full-length portrait.'

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-Rose Wylie.

-'..For her huge, delirious group of ladies.'

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-Juliette Losq.

-'..For an equally epic watercolour.'

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And Rae Hicks.

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'..Who was late.'

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Was that overweening arrogance, or just bad geography?

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I started in Whitstable, this morning.

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Is that a kind of artist thing,

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you started out from Whitstable as a kind of performance art piece?

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That's right, I walked to Liverpool!

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Ha-ha-ha!

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Tell me about the painting.

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It all came out as a kind of fascination with landscape

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manufacture. Everything here is made to look like a prop.

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-You've just kind of invented...

-Absolutely, it wasn't done from

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-observation, exactly.

-Do you feel there's a beauty contest,

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X-Factor kind of feel to this?

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Um... I've only been on The X Factor once...

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ALEXEI LAUGHS

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You're going to win this. You're going to be the boy.

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'If Rae wins, he'll be the youngest ever winner.

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'His painting, by the way, in the terms of contemporary

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'European art world discourse, is as cutting edge as you can get.

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'So, the five shortlisted prize winners get £2,500 each,

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'and their paintings will now go on to inanimately fight it out

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'for £25,000 first prize money.'

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Juliette Losq has entered a view of a back yard.

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It's an intimate subject,

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but painted on a gigantic scale

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and in watercolour.

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It's an intellectual and technical tour de force.

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She won the Jerwood Drawing Prize in 2005,

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so will she bag another top prize this year?

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Your paper bill must be gigantic!

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It's huge, it's one sheet, the biggest sheet of paper

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I could actually find in one piece.

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Why do you think you work so big?

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It's the idea a watercolour is traditionally something small

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and delicate, and it's portable and like a study. I just wanted

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to say, well, actually, it can be as big as a history painting,

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as big as an oil painting.

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The subject doesn't have to be as grand either.

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-Would you like to win?

-I'd very much like to win.

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Are you the best here?

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I'm not, but that doesn't stop me wanting to win.

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'The other shortlistees then got tangled up with the press,

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'but I wanted to catch up with them.

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'I started off in Hastings, home of Alessandro Raho.'

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If you were a betting man, you'd put your money on Alessandro to win it.

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He was a student of Goldsmiths College in that crucial period,

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and he exhibited in the Brilliant! exhibition,

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which was full of young British artists, and gave the world

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the moniker...Young British Artists.

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You could say he's a player.

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-Hello.

-Hello, come in.

-Thank you. After you. It's your studio.

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-Are you excited about the John Moores?

-Really, yep, thrilled.

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There's a few flights of steps here.

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-I'm right at the top in the little studio.

-It smells of cloves.

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That's very knowledgeable.

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You're one of the only people to have ever noticed that -

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even painters, it's a trade secret.

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'I get the feeling Alessandro and his young family moved away

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'from the London art scene, so he could practise his trade in peace.

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'His repetition of cool, stark portraits smacks of a painter

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'creating images for posterity to look back on,

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'and painstakingly mastering his craft.'

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People sometimes say to me, why don't you take it up again?

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It would take me five years to get back to the physical skill I had

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when I was 18 or 20 years old.

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-Yeah.

-It's a physical activity, it's a craft -

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-that's, in the end, what's thrilling about it.

-Yeah.

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I'm trying to make the marks that irritate me the least.

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Often I'll paint these up and they quickly look quite nice,

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sketching them in, but then I find that mark irritates me,

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because it's showy, or it likes its cleverness.

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Oil paint is such a sensitive medium, there's nowhere to hide.

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It'll pick up everything, but you do learn to get used to it.

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There's still some bits on here - I don't know if it's...still there.

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I'm just taking... Can you see those slight lines?

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I'm just starting to...

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-So this is pushing around paint that's on the surface.

-Right.

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So that creates feelings that are different to if I had a brush

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-and did this.

-Right.

-You know, I'm able to modulate it

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while it's on there.

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This surface is meant to entice,

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meant to be seductive as a painted surface,

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it's creamy, very thick paint, actually,

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that I've just kind of pushed down.

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Who's this?

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This is a commission, this is something new.

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I haven't done many commissions.

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'Alessandro proves that the John Moores prize is still

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'a beacon for the very best of British painting.

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'His paintings are masterful,

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'and there's no doubt they'll become more important as they age.'

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You know, I have thought - not to be too morose -

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this would be an interesting room when we're all dead.

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What happens, you know, when you become these ghosts?

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That's how painting exists,

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that's one of the beautiful aspects.

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You look at communities that have gone,

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and cultures that have gone,

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and the paintings are still there.

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'Later, I'm going to meet Mandy Payne and Rose Wylie,

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'but first, I'm off to meet the Chapman Brothers,

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'to accuse them of being despotic.'

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You see, in 1965, none other than Clement Greenberg was

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the chair of the John Moores jury.

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This great American critic could make or break a painter's career

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with a Caesar-like wag of his thumb,

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and his latest cause was colour-field painting.

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So, what sort of painter won, I wonder?

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None other than prominent British colour-fieldist Michael Tyzack,

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who was closely followed by fellow abstract colourist

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Michael Kidner.

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What if there weren't one, but two Clement Greenbergs on the jury?

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Jake and Dinos Chapman, collectively known as the Chapman Brothers,

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are the scourge of the British middle-class.

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Their work is puerile, highly irritating and brilliant.

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I actually paid for two brothers. Where's the other one?

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The other one's gone missing. Doesn't actually exist.

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I should have his face painted on the back of my head.

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'I wanted to confront Jake with an uncanny description

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'of a painting he and his brother short listed for the 2008 prize.'

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Jake, if I could just read one of the descriptions

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of one of the paintings what you chose - Grant Foster, Hero Worship.

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"Painting indicates inhuman and barbaric practices.

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"The characters are both victim and villain,

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"self-portrait and fiction."

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Does that sound like anybody you know?

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-Let me see that. I didn't pick that.

-You saying you didn't pick that?

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No, no, I did.

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When you and your brother were on the jury, did you feel

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compelled to pick work like yours?

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Your tendency towards things is going to be governed

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by similarities in ideas.

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So, as a fully paid up pessimist,

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you don't often find yourself gravitating towards things

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that are optimistic.

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You didn't feel compelled as a jury member to be more...

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Even handed? The problem is that the way in which we judge

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works of art is often by whether a child can like it.

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I think Matisse has to be defended from the idea that

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little Tarquin can cut out pieces of tissue and stick them on paper.

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That there's any similarity between the two is absurd.

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It's like saying walnut's good for you because it looks like a brain.

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You know? There's no connection. ALEXEI CHUCKLES

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There's no connection.

0:37:240:37:26

'In a desperate attempt to bring him around to the point of the interview

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'I asked Jake to pick a winner.'

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I don't know, really, what do you think?

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'Typically, he was more interested

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'in the back of the images than the front.'

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-Have you got any preferences?

-That one.

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ALEXEI LAUGHS

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-There's always a dark underbelly.

-'Should have known better.'

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'The next stop on my John Moores odyssey was Rose Wylie.'

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Rose!

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'When we set up the interview with her,

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'she decided that she'd like to see me paint rather than paint herself.'

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-Hello.

-Hi, Rose.

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I've got you for an art class.

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'After seeing Alessandro,

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'I'd actually like to give it another go.'

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They're not girls' gloves, so they should fit OK.

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I use these to pick up the cat's poo.

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They're very good, and then you throw them away.

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Rose is British painting's Cinderella.

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She has been painting since 1956,

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and is admired by fans such as Germaine Greer.

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For the last 20 years, she's been on the verge of a big prize,

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but never quite got there.

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She's pretty rugged, isn't she?

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'In its own quiet way, Rose's work is pretty rugged.

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'It has to be to withstand the jibes of people like Brian Sewell,

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who called Rose "a mad old bat in second infancy,

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"whose scribbles, scrawls and daubs are deplorable rubbish."

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He doesn't realise the paintings are done with huge difficulty.

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You don't feel annoyed with him?

0:39:020:39:04

-No.

-Let's let that dry and talk about one of your pictures.

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Your model was Joe Hart, England footballer and dandruff model?

0:39:080:39:14

It was Joe Hart for quite a long time, four months, six months,

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and then I turned him into a Nazi.

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Do you think your paintings are actually saying something?

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They're saying the picture. They're saying what they look like.

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That's all. There's no politics.

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Not really, no. I quite like the message to be how it looks.

0:39:310:39:37

I think Rose is more radical than that. If you look closely,

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you'll see her paintings satirising the act of painting itself.

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She's a real punk,

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and deserves to be one of the art world's most admired painters.

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And she's helped me paint Kinki Nazi Leg,

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my first painting since art school.

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So, do you think painting is a compulsion?

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I think it probably is. Why do we go on doing it when nothing happens?

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You just keep doing it.

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What making this programme has brought up for me

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is how much I've lost by being what I am, because the way

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you painters are is this wonderful kind of self-contained

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sense of satisfaction.

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'Rose first entered the John Moores Painting Prize in 1990.

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'If she wins, nearly 25 years after her first attempt,

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'she'll be the oldest and most subversive ever winner.

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'I'm beginning to miss painting. But it's never too late to start.

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'Mandy Payne only became a full-time painter in 2013.

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'Her inclusion on the short list

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'is what makes the John Moores so unique.

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'She's new to the game,

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'but her images of Sheffield's Park Hill flats have the power

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'and presence that most artists fail to achieve in a lifetime.'

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So, Mandy, one day people will visit this site as they now visit

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-Giverny for water lilies.

-I doubt it, but, yes.

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-Is it celebratory?

-I think it is.

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Celebratory of the architecture, the history, memories.

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'Technically, Mandy's paintings are astonishing.

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'Out in her garden shed,

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'she sprays with aerosols onto her concrete canvases.'

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Where did that impulse come from?

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I wanted to use materials integral to the site, so that's why I started

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using concrete. This is the mould I used for Brutal,

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and I think I possibly used one of these old baking trays,

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which have got the little feet on

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which you can use to hang the piece of concrete when it's finished.

0:41:400:41:44

'Mandy works on her images section by section.

0:41:440:41:47

'And, like every streetwise tagger knows,

0:41:470:41:50

'it's all about varying the pressure.'

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You actually have the picture in your head?

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MUFFLED: Yeah, I know what...

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You know what you're doing. I can't hear a word you're saying.

0:41:570:42:00

What, I'm the greatest comedian of all time?

0:42:000:42:02

That's nice of you to say!

0:42:020:42:04

SHE LAUGHS

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There's only been three women have won the prize since 1957.

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The odds are not great then, are they, really?

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Sarah Pickstone was the last one, wasn't she? That was last year.

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Mind you, there are three women in the final.

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I'm going to go to the betting shop

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and wager a sovereign on Mandy Payne!

0:42:200:42:23

OK, that's all the five shortlistees -

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Rae Hicks, Juliette Losq,

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Alessandro Raho, Rose Wylie and Mandy Payne.

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'But who's going to win?

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'And what will winning do for them?

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'I went to the artistic capital of western Europe -

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'Hackney in East London - to ask Peter Doig,

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'who, when he won in 1993, didn't have two pennies to rub together.'

0:42:450:42:49

Bloody...

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This is a beautiful space.

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Not too bad, yeah?

0:42:550:42:57

'When Peter Doig's White Canoe

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'was sold at Sotheby's for £5.73 million in 2007,

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'he entered the super league, but, unassuming as he is,

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'he is unarguably one of the world's greatest living painters.

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'In 1993, he was on the verge of giving up painting

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'when he got a £20,000 reprieve through the post,

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'care of John Moores.'

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I just assumed it was a rejection letter,

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because I had entered a number of times before and never been accepted

0:43:230:43:28

even into the exhibition phase.

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So I just assumed it was a rejection letter.

0:43:300:43:33

But I opened it up, and it was a shock.

0:43:330:43:36

It seems to me that winning the John Moores Painting Prize with Blotter

0:43:360:43:41

means more to Peter Doig than the millions he's got for his paintings.

0:43:410:43:45

To be part of the group of artists that have won the John Moores -

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you knew Bridget Riley had won it,

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Richard Hamilton had won it, you knew Hockney had won it.

0:43:510:43:55

I have the five shortlistees here, and I'd like your opinion.

0:43:550:43:59

You could say it comes from kind of a British tradition of, you know,

0:43:590:44:03

Spencer, Freud.

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This looks quite knowing, in current trends of painting.

0:44:060:44:10

I know this guy, I used to teach him at Goldsmiths years ago. Interesting.

0:44:100:44:15

Don't recognise that austere looking...

0:44:150:44:17

It's actually painted on concrete, as well.

0:44:170:44:20

That to me is a real achievement,

0:44:200:44:22

someone is able to handle scale in a very sophisticated way.

0:44:220:44:26

If you see a Rose Wylie painting, you know it's a Rose Wylie painting,

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and that's special.

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So which do you think would be your choice?

0:44:310:44:34

Well, I'm going to sit on the fence a little bit

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and say I'd like one of these three to win.

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So, today is the day when the winner is announced.

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I'm actually very excited.

0:44:430:44:45

Through making this programme, I've actually become very fond

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of all those who were shortlisted, and this is my last chance to talk

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to them before one of them has their lives changed completely for ever.

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Just a bit.

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This bit is quite stressful, the last bit was nothing to lose.

0:45:010:45:08

It's something that will be on my CV for ever

0:45:080:45:10

and I'm pleased to have got as far as I did.

0:45:100:45:13

I've always put in for it, then you get rejected,

0:45:130:45:15

then you get in and you're one of the prize-winners.

0:45:150:45:19

Totally fine. Quite mellow.

0:45:190:45:21

I'm trying not to focus on it, really,

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-just blank it out of my mind.

-Where do you think you are, then?

0:45:230:45:27

Who knows!

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The announcement of the John Moores Painting Prize 2014.

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And that winner is Rose Wylie.

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APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

0:45:370:45:38

Sort of like a proud parent, even though she is a lot older than me.

0:45:390:45:44

Brian Sewell is going to go bat shit.

0:45:500:45:52

-He won't know what to say about it.

-So, how do you feel now?

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I feel terrific. You know, it's very unexpected.

0:45:550:45:59

My daughter was quite sure I would win it

0:45:590:46:01

and I was quite sure I would not.

0:46:010:46:03

Well, that's it. I feel weirdly emotional, really.

0:46:050:46:09

I'm thrilled for Rose, but I feel sorry for the other four, in a way.

0:46:090:46:13

It's been interesting. I think being a painter is a wonderful life.

0:46:130:46:18

It does make me want to get my paint out again,

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but, on the other hand, I don't know if I could take the tension.

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