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Preserve, don't demolish! | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
Preserve, don't demolish! Preserve, don't demolish! | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
Preserve, don't demolish! | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
Demolish the Victorian, the Edwardian, the Georgian. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
Replace it with skyscraper blocks. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
Lambeth Council wants to demolish | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
the estate in Tulse Hill and rebuild. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
Down with the old, up with the new. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
'The Wellington Rooms today are handled by Liverpool Corporation. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
'One of the problems we were having | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
'was getting enough time in the building...' | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
Howdy! '..because of health and safety regulations.' | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
So what... is there a problem over here? | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
Yeah, well, obviously there's falling plaster... | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
What, just down this way? | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
..from the height and weight of it is a little bit dodgy. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
Gosh, the water is ruining the Adam ceiling. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
Yeah. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
Just up here. Just try and avoid that column there. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
-That column? -Mm. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
And you couldn't just let us, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
-um, just stay here for an hour or two and... -I couldn't, no. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
I mean, have you signed anything with Kevin or an indemnity form? | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
I don't mind signing an indemnity form. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
I haven't got anything on me at the minute. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
If we sign an indemnity form that if we fell through the floor, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
we wouldn't sue Liverpool Corporation, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
would that make any difference? | 0:03:28 | 0:03:29 | |
It would certainly help. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
-So this is the really bad area? -It is. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
The problem with this is whilst there's been previous | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
moisture ingress, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
when you dry a place out, you've got expansion | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
and contraction of material, so the plaster has shrunk | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
and it's just dried and come away. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
Right. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
And whilst the individual small pieces doesn't feel as though | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
they're heavy, if they fall from a decent height, | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
they're going to hurt. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
-When it lands on your head? -Yeah. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
Well, we won't sue Liverpool Corporation anyway. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
You might not sue, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:09 | |
but we could be... civil proceedings in terms of manslaughter or anything | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
like that, couldn't we, so... | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
But it feels very solidly constructed. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
HE JUMPS UP AND DOWN | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
It doesn't move when I do that. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
As I say, we've got joist ends here which are potentially rotten. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
So... it's... we... | 0:04:25 | 0:04:26 | |
we don't want to take that risk, hence... | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
why it's a supervised visit. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
Yeah. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:33 | |
'It was hard for me to imagine now, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:40 | |
'but when I last knew the Wellington Rooms, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
'it was the Irish centre, full of dancing and light. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
CEILI MUSIC PLAYS | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
MUSIC CONTINUES | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
MUSIC ENDS | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
You can't really understand what's happened to the Wellington Rooms | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
today in its isolation, without first understanding | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
what happened to the local community that once surrounded it. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
MUSIC: Feel Like Jumping by Marcia Griffiths | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
When I first knew this area in the heart of Liverpool, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
it was full of people - Irish, Italians, Greek, Somalis, Chinese, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
all living side-by-side. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
It was a real community then. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
# Feel like jumping | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
# I feel like shouting now | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
# I feel like moving... # | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
It was called the Abercromby community | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
and existed for over 300 years. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
Most of the buildings predate the Wellington Rooms themselves. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
The community that surrounded the Wellington Rooms | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
has now disappeared. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
I made my first student film here, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
told through the eyes of Ruth and Bertha | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
about their friends and neighbours. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
It was the street fit to live on, I'll be truthful. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
When I came to live here, you could leave your doors open | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
and you wouldn't miss a thing. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
I'll tell you how good it was. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
At that time, I lived in the basement. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
I used to open my basement window. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
Well, it'd be my turn one day to make a pot of tea. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
And buy cake, and pass it through the window | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
and they'd all sit around my window. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
Well, then, it would be someone else's turn the next day | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
and that's the way it went on. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:35 | |
And harmless times, they were. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
You understand what I mean. There was no badness. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
No badness at all, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
just dancing and... | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
..making a fool of ourselves. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
But the decision was made to demolish the housing, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
a lot of it Georgian, as seen here, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
with no regard for the community. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
LOUD BOOM | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
CHILDREN SHOUT EXCITEDLY | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
This is the exact spot where we filmed. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
And this is what has replaced it. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
The people from here, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:13 | |
in this area now taken over by the university, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
were moved out to places like Cantril Farm or Kirkby, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
miles from the city centre. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
'We met with George Scully, who grew up here and who answered | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
'a radio appeal we made for the old community to come forward.' | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
All the beautiful houses like this on that side... | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
all the way up, demolished. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
Beautiful houses on that way up, demolished. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
The Faculty of Law in 1949-50 was one house on this corner. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:54 | |
Now it's a massive department up there on the corner | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
of Chatham Street and Myrtle Street. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
Are there streets that have gone completely that were here? | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
Cambridge Street ran through there into Grove Street | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
with beautiful houses there. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
They were demolished. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
And the people were kept totally uninformed. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
When we lived here, when there was a community here, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
working class community... | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
there were no amenities but it was still a very rich community | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
but now there is just nothing | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
because the students have no affinity with this area. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
Most of them come from other towns in England. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
Most of them come from abroad so they have no affinity | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
and for half of the year, you know, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
if you just take the academic year into account, they're not even here. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
They go away, so all of this area is a ghost town. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
'The irony is that George ended up as a student at the university.' | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
In fact, the English Department was built on my... my house! | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
Which I couldn't get my head around, you know. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
It interfered with my studies! | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
When I was sitting in the common room, of a day, you know, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
I was saying, the Lloyds used to live here | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
and the McNamees used to live here. We lived here. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
And I was daydreaming all the time, you know. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
So your house on Heath Street used to be right there? | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
And that is the English Department. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
Now there's only the university left. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
REGENCY DANCE MUSIC | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
This is the Wellington Rooms when they were built in 1815, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
when the columned entrance was still open. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
Sedan chairs brought the men and women | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
to separate entrances on either side of the building. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
They met in the ballroom. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:40 | |
HOOVES GALLOP | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
Each year, the horse that won the Grand National | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
would be brought to the ballroom to drink from a bucket of champagne. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
CORK POPS AND HORSE NEIGHS | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
The only balls to be cancelled during those years | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
were for the Boer War and the death of Queen Victoria. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
It didn't seem to put anyone off that the Wellington Rooms | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
were built next to the biggest workhouse in Britain. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
Built in 1769, the workhouse had 4,000 people. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
In 1923, much of the wealth had left Liverpool | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
and the building was sold. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
For many years, it became the Rodney youth centre | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
and served the local community. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
In 1965, the Wellington Rooms became the Irish Centre | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
and the spiritual home of Irish life in Liverpool. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
There was massive Irish immigration to Liverpool | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
during the 19th century. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
By 1860, 20% of Liverpool's population was Irish, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
mostly the poorest and worst paid. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
There was a lot of anti-Irish feeling. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
You were involved with this place for years and years and years. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
I was. I was involved from when it opened in '64 | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
until about three years before it closed down, late '80s. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
And I used to work here regularly. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
Virtually every Sunday night, I did the reception desk here. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
-The reception desk? -Which was this failte reception, yes. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
So show us around. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
And you met your wife here? | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
-Let's go into the big room. -Yes. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
I... | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
I came here from the time it was opened. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
At the same time as I was coming here, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
my wife was helping out in the kitchens and we met here. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
-And... -And fell in love? | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
Fell in love and got married and had our reception in this room. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
This ballroom, and... You can see the remains of the frieze | 0:15:38 | 0:15:43 | |
along part of it and you can imagine that, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
beautifully painted and decorated | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
and all the rest of it. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
And this was the dance floor here | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
and down at the back, you had chairs and tables where people sat. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
IRISH WALTZ | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
-Hello! -Hello. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
Hello! | 0:16:21 | 0:16:22 | |
-Say bye-bye. -Bye-bye. -Bye-bye. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
During the '80s, this ballroom was absolutely full every Friday | 0:16:37 | 0:16:45 | |
and Saturday night because big bands like Big Tom And The Mainliners | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
and Brendan Shine and people like that | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
were coming over from Ireland... | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
Because there's a stage over there, isn't there? | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
And that's the stage there. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
BAND PLAYS DIRE STRAITS' WALK OF LIFE | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
# Here comes Johnny and he'll tell you the story | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
# Hand me down my walkin' shoes | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
# Here comes Johnny with the power and the glory | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
# Backbeat the talkin' blues | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
# He got the action, he got the motion | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
# Oh, yeah, the boy can play | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
# Dedication, devotion | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
# Turning all the night-time into the day | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
# He do the song about the sweet lovin' woman | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
# He do the song about the knife | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
# He do the walk | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
# He do the walk of life | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
# He do the walk of life. # | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
HAPPY CHATTER | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
Francie, you all right? | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
SHE GIGGLES | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
People came here | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
because this was the place where the Irish community on Merseyside met. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:19 | |
And this was the place where they, er, carried on their cultural, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
-social... -It was a happy place? -A very, very happy place. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
And, um... | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
It was also a place where people could come in and feel at home. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
-Yeah. -They... | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
I mean, I, as you can hear from me, my Irish accent has not left me. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
And you could come in here and talk whatever way you would talk | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
and nobody would be passing remarks and things like that. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
-Those kind of little things that mean so much. -Yeah. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
These are future plans submitted for the Wellington Rooms. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
-Do you think it has a future, the building? -No. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
I don't think the building has a future, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
unless some multimillionaire comes along | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
and has got a few millions to spare and he can do it up | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
but I don't know what it could be used for. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
It certainly could not be used again ever as an Irish centre | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
because the Irish community could not support it. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
There are not enough people here at the moment. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
You said there were so many strict rules with English Heritage | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
that made it very difficult? | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
Well, it's a Grade II listed building | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
so every time you want to get anything done, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
you have got to get the approval of English Heritage. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
And what we've found, when I was on the executive committee here, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
was that as soon as English Heritage were involved, | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
the cost of everything went up. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
There has, however, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:12 | |
been some recent talk of the University taking over the building. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
So, which was the spot? | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
'Sean fell in love with his wife the first moment he saw her | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
'in the Wellington Rooms.' | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
And what happened? | 0:20:47 | 0:20:48 | |
I walked across the room, having consumed a couple of pints of beer, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
and said, "I saw you across the crowded room," and all that shit, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
and she thought I was some sort of drunken eejit. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
But to cut a long story short, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:02 | |
we had a dance before the end of the night | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
to The Ballad Of James Connolly... | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
..and we're together since. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
That's fantastic. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
And you saved a ticket or something. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
Yeah, that's correct. It was from the night. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
She gave me her phone number. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
Still got that. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
Yeah, there's the ticket and there's the phone number. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
The ticket from the night. And we've still got the same phone number. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
And it's great that you've been in love ever since. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
Well, he phones me at least once a day in work and then I say, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
"I love you, Sean. Love you, love you," | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
and everyone goes, "Oh, God..." | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
But, yeah, I do. Still very close. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
You do everything together. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:46 | |
-We do everything together, don't we? -Yeah. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
Not sad, we have got lots of friends as well, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
but we do do everything together. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
# A great crowd had gathered | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
# Outside of Kilmainham | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
# Their heads all uncovered | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
# They knelt to the ground | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
# For inside that grim prison | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
# Lay a brave Irish soldier | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
# His life for his country | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
# About to lay down | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
# He went to his death | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
# Like a true son of Ireland | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
# The firing party | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
# He bravely did face | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
# Then the order rang out | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
# Present arms and fire | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
# James Connolly fell into... # | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
It's a building that has inspired a lot of love. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
When the Irish Centre closed, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
people literally took to the roof to protest. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
The staff here will stay on the rooftop protest | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
as long as necessary. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:46 | |
The rooftop protest lasted six months, but it failed... | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
..and the Wellington Rooms have been empty since. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
That's it, just come towards me a little bit more. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
We got a call from Liverpool Planning | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
that they were about to announce a potential £8 million scheme | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
with the University to save the Wellington Rooms. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
But it didn't seem to actually add up to much. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
Well, we've still yet to define the detail of it all, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
so we've started that process. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
We will get a 12-month exclusivity which will allow us | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
to go through the architectural, the costings, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
and then to look at potential sources of funding. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
And then we'll take all of that back to the city council | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
and see where we are. We're very lucky, I think, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
having the universities very keen on being involved, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
cos that answers the big question | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
of how are you going to use this building? | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
It all sounded very hazy to me. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
I got the distinct feeling they made the announcement | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
just to keep us happy. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
THUNDER RUMBLES | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
WATER DRIPS RAPIDLY | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
'Barbara and Ellen met 70 years ago at the Wellington Rooms | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
'and they're still best friends.' | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
Hello! | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
-So, have you come to go dancing today? -Pardon? | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
-Are you going to come and do some dancing? -Yes, we are. -Yes. -You are? | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
Yes, we are. We're looking forward to it. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
And so, for how many years did you dance here? | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
From...1961 | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
until it closed. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
-Until it closed. -Yeah. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
-So, were you teenagers then? -Yes. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
All right. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:24 | |
-Oh, here's where we had our fun. -Oh, yeah. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
-Do you remember? -Oh, yeah. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
Do you know, it's lovely to see it again, though. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
Even though it's not usable, it's lovely to see it. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
It brings back everything. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
-It hasn't deteriorated, really. -No. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
-Look at the chandelier. -I know, yeah. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
Think of all the dancing I did here when I was young. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
We didn't have a care in the world then. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
-I haven't now, thank God. But, erm... -All friends together. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
You can just hear that music from years ago. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
You know, just being here. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
And the laughter, the fun. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
Oh, fantastic. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:49 | |
-This is where we used to sit, over here. -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
Actually, on that picture, that's where we were sitting. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
Bet you can remember everything about it. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
Look at that. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
SHE GASPS | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
-Gosh, the roof is leaking. -Oh, look at that. -Wow. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
You'd wonder how they could let it go into such a state of disrepair. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
-Yeah. -And do nothing about it. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
'I really hope the university plans work out. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
'In the meantime, I just had to see dancing | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
'and hear music again in the Wellington Rooms.' | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
CEILI MUSIC PLAYS | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
Wow, look at that. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:23 | |
It's really screwed up. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
'The Coal Exchange was my favourite building | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
'when I lived in Cardiff and when I recently read that it was | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
'faced with demolition, I came back to visit my old friend.' | 0:30:36 | 0:30:41 | |
-Hi. -Hi, come on in. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
-Nice to see you. -I'm Louisa. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
Through here is the main hall, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
which we're not allowed into any more. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
The council has put a restrictive order on it | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
because they believe it is dangerous. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
-But we can't go in. -Unfortunately, no. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
You don't get to argue with the council | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
health and safety department. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
They say it's dangerous, they're the bosses. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
Why do you think they wanted to close it? | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
I think that's a very long story. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
Let's take you upstairs to the office and we can tell it. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
-All right. -Come on into our office - "Save The Coal Exchange". | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
-And this is Ian, who is one of the other directors. -Hi. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
-Pleased to meet you. -So, what have we got here? | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
This is some of the stills of the building in occupation | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
and that is the floor of the exchange full of the traders. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
ECHOING VOICES | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
BELL DINGS | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
TYPEWRITERS CLACK | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
BELL DINGS | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
Albert Alexander, the last working member of the Coal Exchange, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
was 99 when this interview was given. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
I was 24, so that would have been 1925. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
And I was the youngest member on the floor of the Exchange by 30 years. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
I was really a kid. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
It was fabulous, you know. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
I had to dress in striped trousers, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
spats - black shoes - spats and striped trousers, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
and my membership was 323. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:39 | |
I finished up number three. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
And I saw the thing finish. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
When I knew it in later days, it had become a live events venue. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
Then in 2013, it was suddenly closed. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
Why do you think the council actually closed the hall down? | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
They closed it to allow developers | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
to make a large lot of money out of it. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
At one point the idea was to build a 21-storey tower block here, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
a facade retention scheme, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
which would keep three quarters of the outside wall up | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
and then basically just build a tower block in the middle | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
with flats and apartments. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
Which is pretty vile, really. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
And I guess that's where the money is, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
that's where they think the money is. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:27 | |
The money is per square metre. The more floors you've got, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
the more square metres you've got, the more profit you make. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
I so admire what you're doing. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:34 | |
It must take a lot of time and energy and... | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
Ian is the man who's here five days a week, unpaid, in the office. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
But it has been really interesting. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
I've done a lot of campaigning over the years, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
I've never come across something where | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
there is so much public sentiment locally, so much support, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
so much emotional attachment to the idea that this place | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
should rise again, effectively. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
So this has taken a lot of your life. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
All of it, really, at the moment, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:02 | |
-yeah, about the last eight or nine months. -All of it? -Yeah. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
It's called obsession, really. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
-Ian is working here full-time. -Yes. -And the rest of us help out. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
I don't know how long I can carry on. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
-Just physically it's getting a bit difficult... -Is it? | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
..and emotionally. Yeah. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:17 | |
The Coal Exchange was also like a club for the hoorays of its day. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
Champagne bottles were used as skittles. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
It had its own vintners, tailors, and a dining club. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
It's in the last historical area of Butetown, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
the dock area of Cardiff, and that's all in a bad state of decay. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
It's not just the Coal Exchange that has been left to rot | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
for the last 30 years. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
It's also buildings like this, the Old Post Office, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
built in 1881 by EJ Rivers in glorious Italian style | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
and now in serious decay. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
The Cory Building, built in 1889, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
architects Bruton and Williams, empty now for 20 years. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:24 | |
This magnificent former bank, built in 1926 by Palmer and Holden | 0:35:28 | 0:35:34 | |
in classic Greek style, empty for over 20 years | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
and in a bad state of neglect. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
The railway station, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
built in 1843 and left to rot for the last 30 years. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:50 | |
All of these buildings, like the Coal Exchange, face an uncertain | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
future, even though they have a Grade II listing for preservation. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
If they are left to rot long enough that they can be declared unsafe, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:20 | |
Cardiff Council can knock them down. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
It's so expensive to develop a listed building that the council | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
put on an order which allowed them to come in, declare | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
it a danger to the public and then they can bring the bulldozers in. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:36 | |
Simple as that. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
And then they can develop it without going to Cadw, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
without going to the Assembly and things like that. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
So you think, in the last few years, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
there's been a sort of deliberate policy of not fixing the building? | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
-Yes. -One of the councillors actually said to us that, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
after they got the report, they were just told to | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
pray for a high wind and hope the place fell down. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
-Really? -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
But you can't really understand the threat facing the Coal Exchange | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
without first looking at what has already | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
happened to the nearby docks in the Butetown community. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
It was a gold rush equivalent in coal. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
Enormous fortunes were made at the Coal Exchange, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
where the first million-pound deal in the world was struck. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
At its peak, the docks exported 14 million tonnes of coal a year. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
But then the coal boom ended. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
The Coal Exchange closed in 1958. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
But no attempt was made to renovate it for some other use | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
or, for that matter, the historical buildings around it, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
which have some of the best architecture in Cardiff. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
There was far quicker and easier money to be made by filling in | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
the docks and tearing down the old warehouses and dock buildings. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
There was absolutely no incentive to renovate. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
New streets like this were built where the docks had been, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
now lined with new houses. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
And here's the development team, who decided to fill the docks in. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
Here's another example of their work in the exact spot where | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
the Pierhead dock used to be. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
I also discovered they're not too keen | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
on having their handiwork examined. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
-I'm the manager of the site. -Oh, good for you. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
And it's a licensed-premises site, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
so obviously you have to have permission to film. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
-We can't just film here? -No, sorry. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
How strange. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:12 | |
No, sorry, it's a licensed-premises site, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
so obviously you've got to go through our media department, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
which is Tim Powell. You'll have to speak to him to confirm first. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
Obviously, because I don't know what you're filming. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
Well, we're just filming where the dock used to be. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
-Yeah. -What do you think of the development? | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
What do you think of this... | 0:39:29 | 0:39:30 | |
..yourself? | 0:39:32 | 0:39:33 | |
-Nothing. I don't think anything. -You don't think anything? | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
-No. So if you want to speak to Tim Powell first. -All right. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
OK. We will. All right, thank you. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
'The fight to save the Coal Exchange makes even more sense | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
'when I realise what has already been lost. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
'Here are some examples of then and now.' | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
# Tiger Bay, Tiger Bay | 0:39:56 | 0:40:03 | |
# It's not very far from the docks | 0:40:05 | 0:40:11 | |
# When you get to Loudoun Square | 0:40:13 | 0:40:19 | |
# Turn to the right and you're not far from there | 0:40:20 | 0:40:28 | |
# Tiger Bay, Tiger Bay | 0:40:28 | 0:40:34 | |
# It's just like a fancy-dress ball... # | 0:40:35 | 0:40:41 | |
Butetown was a community made up of over 50 nationalities, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
seen here in the film Tiger Bay. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
-Whey! -Whey! | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
Butetown was exceptional. There was absolutely no racial tension. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
One of the quickest ways of finding a community's attitude to | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
racial discrimination is to see what it thinks of mixed marriages. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
The sight of a white girl married to a coloured man can release | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
the most violent prejudices. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
Does it happen in Butetown? | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
Why do you think things are so peaceable down here? | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
Why are things so peaceful? | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
This was all races mixing in together, was it? | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
This incredible community of over 50 nationalities was destroyed | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
in the rehousing, as was the Georgian Loudoun Square seen here, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:10 | |
which looks like this today. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
So back to the Coal Exchange. What chance did it really have? | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
It slowly deteriorated until the late '70s | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
when it was decided to make it the home of the Welsh National Assembly. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:31 | |
But far from being its saviour, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
this was when the building was really abused. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
'I went to ask Ian if we could finally get into the hall, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
'which I understood had been drastically changed | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
'since I had last seen it.' | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
No, you can't go in there. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:49 | |
We have actually had surveys done of our own to say it's safe | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
but, unfortunately, health and safety and the council has | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
so far refused to accept them. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
Supposing you let us in there, what would happen? | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
If we let them in there and anyone knew about it, then | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
I would be liable for a £20,000 fine | 0:43:06 | 0:43:10 | |
and also six months of imprisonment. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
Are you seriously, like, intimidated by that? | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
Erm... Yes, definitely, in some ways. I mean, intimidated enough. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
I'm not intimidated by it, no, but I'm equally not going to | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
take you out on the balcony with a camera. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
'It's hard to make a film about saving a building | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
'when you're not allowed to see it.' | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
It's down this way. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
This is the place you're not allowed to go, I'm afraid, | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
which is the balcony. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
That's actually the balcony? | 0:43:41 | 0:43:42 | |
On the second floor, yeah. So if you... | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
The wall in front of you also went in in 1970 or whatever and... | 0:43:46 | 0:43:51 | |
..there's actually a balcony here, like the one downstairs, | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
and they've put a wall in front of it to... | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
Just to fill in this space, basically, because now... | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
-It looks safe in there, though, doesn't it? -No, it's not really. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
-It's not safe? -Yeah, no, no. -Really? All right. -Sorry. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
All right. You're standing there to stop me going in? | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
That's right, yeah. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:14 | |
-All right. -OK. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:17 | |
-OK, all right. -Good. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
OK, let's do it. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
-I'm not going to make a run for it. -OK, all right. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
Well, if you do, we'll get some good workout | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
-because I'll rugby tackle you. -You will what? | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
-I'll rugby tackle you. -Oh, will you? | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
It would be a very good... good cinema. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
I'm almost tempted to do it. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
'It is frustrating, though. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
'Ian had actually been pointing out the false wall that had been | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
'put up in the '70s covering up the second gallery | 0:44:49 | 0:44:53 | |
'and putting in a false ceiling covering the glass roof.' | 0:44:53 | 0:44:58 | |
When I had last seen it as a student in the '60s, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
the Coal Exchange looked like this, | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
with a second gallery and a glass roof. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
There were offices all around the galleries | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
and people would shout their bids to the exchange floor. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
In the '70s, the glass roof was covered in, | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
as well as the second gallery and the offices surrounding it. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:24 | |
This shows the exterior of the Coal Exchange up until the 1970s. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
This is the main entrance. There was a restaurant to the right | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
and steps leading to the Exchange from the street. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
Then it was decided to put in a car park, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
which would double as a nuclear air-raid shelter. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
The restaurant and main approach from the street were covered in. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
The unique exchange floor, seen here, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
a foot and a half below the normal floor where the bids were taken, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
I learned had also been filled in. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
Also, during the '70s development, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
the original ornate wooden staircases were removed | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
and these put in their place. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
'I've been talking to the council about getting into the building. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
'A building I love and remember so well. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
'But weeks of phone calls have got me nowhere.' | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
Urgh, jeez! | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
Lucky I do these push-ups in the morning. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
CLATTERING GLASS SMASHES | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
'Cardiff Council say they've spent £900,000 on this scaffolding | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
'and the surrounding fence.' | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
Bit of a rickety old ladder, this. Jesus. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
'I'm beginning to realise that my optimistic thoughts - | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
'that making an architectural piece would be easy and not so stressful - | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
'are wrong.' | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
Anyway, I can't get in. It's in terrible condition. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
GLASS SMASHES | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
It's estimated that it will cost £35 million | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
to renovate the Coal Exchange. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
Here are recent plans backed by the council. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
Plans for a 21-storey tower block with 168 apartments. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:27 | |
These plans were obtained under the Freedom of Information Act | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
with much difficulty. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:32 | |
Cardiff Council have been accused of abusing the Emergency Powers Act. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:41 | |
These powers are normally used in a situation of real emergency. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
For example, if you have an articulated lorry hitting a building | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
and it's looking perilously close to actually falling down. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
Whereas, clearly, they've been drawn upon to... | 0:48:50 | 0:48:56 | |
facilitate certain... | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
actions or certain activity | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
and then no evidence of work going for many weeks and months. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:05 | |
So there are some issues here that don't add up. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
'The sound of the capital city, Radio Cardiff.' | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
'Not everyone on the council supports what is happening | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
'to the Coal Exchange. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:15 | |
'I went to talk to councillor Neil McEvoy | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
'at the local radio station.' | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
So it's back to the chat. I've got councillor Neil McEvoy. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
I've got DJ Silver and I've got Nick, back to the chat with Nick. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:30 | |
-Before I ran out and left you all... -SHE LAUGHS | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
..we were talking about the Coal Exchange and other beautiful | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
buildings that are potentially going to be demolished. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
Is that true, councillor? Is that in the council's policy at the moment? | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
It's not in the policy but it's certainly on the agenda. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
In Cardiff, in Wales, there is | 0:49:48 | 0:49:49 | |
a complete lack of respect for our heritage and our history | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
and these great buildings are assets which should be cherished | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
and saved and used, like you said, for different purposes. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
I think it would be criminal, | 0:50:00 | 0:50:01 | |
absolutely criminal, to demolish the Coal Exchange. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
It any other country in the world it would be celebrated, | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
they'd have a museum, they'd have a visitor centre. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
'This is the council's head of planning, Pat Thompson. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
'He told me why he thinks the Coal Exchange should be demolished.' | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
Of course its purpose was as it is, a coal exchange, which meant | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
it was for the money men. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:24 | |
So there is this issue that in actual fact people whose | 0:50:24 | 0:50:29 | |
history and heritage is in the docks actually resent the people | 0:50:29 | 0:50:34 | |
who were making all the money on the back of them who were coal trimmers | 0:50:34 | 0:50:39 | |
in the docks or, of course, digging the coal up in the valleys. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:44 | |
Because they hate it because they see it as an example | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
of the people that made money on the back of their families. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
This seemed like a bad excuse. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:54 | |
In fact, born and bred Butetowners like Betty Campbell | 0:50:54 | 0:50:58 | |
love the Coal Exchange. | 0:50:58 | 0:50:59 | |
When I was a child we used to look at it and think, | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
"What a wonderful building." But we never entered it. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
And then times changed, and when I had been married 50 years | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
I had my Golden Wedding celebrations in this building. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
And I stood in the middle of the floor and I said to myself, | 0:51:15 | 0:51:20 | |
"I bet you never thought you'd see | 0:51:20 | 0:51:21 | |
"so many black people in this place in one go." | 0:51:21 | 0:51:25 | |
So it was like a little victory for me. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
But another evening that I had here was | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
when I retired as head teacher of Mount Stuart School in 1999. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
And I didn't have an inkling of what was going to happen. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
We were supposed to meet here to meet some staff, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
we were going to go out. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:41 | |
When I came here, when my husband brought me here, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
I could hear steel pans | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
and it was the children from Mount Stuart School who were playing | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
the steel pans as we walked in and when I went into the hall | 0:51:50 | 0:51:55 | |
and saw the people there, I just couldn't believe it. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
STEEL PAN MUSIC | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
And I think that, with the Golden Wedding here, | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
were two of the most memorable evenings of my life. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
The hall was opened in 2001 as an events venue. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
FAST ROCK MUSIC PLAYS | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
# The trumpet sounds within my soul... # | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
UPBEAT ROCK MUSIC PLAYS | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
Then suddenly in August, 2013, in the middle of a concert, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:54 | |
Cardiff Council and the fire department closed the hall down. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
It's been closed ever since. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
I finally get permission to go inside the exchange hall. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
LIGHTS POWER ON | 0:54:41 | 0:54:42 | |
'It's great to see Ian's enthusiasm for the building.' | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
So I would be bidding to you from here, for example? | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
This was the trading floor or just the floor. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
This was the place where if you were standing you could actually | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
trade with people up there on the balcony. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
So a man out there could come out and say, "I've got a ship | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
"going to Norway, leaving within two days, taking 1,000 tonnes of coal. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:43 | |
"What's the best price for it?" And people down here would bid for that. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
And then at the same time other people would come in and do | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
deals with them about supplies for them and things like that. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
Railway companies, paint companies for ships now. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:57 | |
People who sold pit props. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
Because the boats went out with coal | 0:56:00 | 0:56:02 | |
and came back with pit props from Norway. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
Often the boats went out and they didn't have a load to bring back. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
Everyone wanted coal so they had agents all over the world | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
and one ship at least came back from New York full of tinned peaches. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:18 | |
An American came here to write about Cardiff | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
and he said you could buy tinned | 0:56:21 | 0:56:22 | |
peaches on the streets of Cardiff cheaper than you could in America. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
Wow. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
So this is how important Cardiff was in those days. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
And the price of world coal was set here, at that time. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:35 | |
Ian has also agreed to show us | 0:56:38 | 0:56:39 | |
the back of the clock from the first-floor gallery | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
which up to now has been a no-go area. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
Step this way. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:55 | |
This clock was made by a man who by then was called Spiridion. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:03 | |
He was a Polish refugee, possibly Jewish. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
And they came over, I think, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:11 | |
when the Russians were expanding into Eastern Europe and... | 0:57:11 | 0:57:17 | |
Wow! It still works. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
-It still works. It still keeps good time. -Does it? | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
Yeah. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
It's worth just listening to for a minute. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
CLOCK TICKS | 0:57:27 | 0:57:28 | |
Six months after we left, | 0:57:55 | 0:57:57 | |
an investor came forward with serious plans | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
to develop it as a boutique hotel. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
The people of Butetown deserve to see their community restored. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
Let's hope it can get back some of the old magic it once had. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:12 | |
# Tiger Bay, Tiger Bay | 0:58:12 | 0:58:20 | |
# It's not very far from the docks | 0:58:20 | 0:58:26 | |
# When you get | 0:58:28 | 0:58:32 | |
# To Loudoun Square | 0:58:32 | 0:58:35 | |
# Turn to the right | 0:58:36 | 0:58:40 | |
# And you're not far from there | 0:58:40 | 0:58:43 | |
# Tiger Bay. # | 0:58:43 | 0:58:45 |