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In 1944, a young man called Milton Ernest Rauschenberg | 0:00:05 | 0:00:10 | |
embarked on a journey that would take him a million miles away | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
from the sprawling oil refinery town where he'd been born | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
to working-class parents in 1925. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
His escape from Port Arthur, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:24 | |
a cultural desert on the steamy Gulf Coast of Texas, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
would eventually lead him to paradise. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
By the time Rauschenberg came here in 1970 | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
and settled on this beautiful and remote island of Captiva in Florida, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
he'd completely transformed his life. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
He'd even changed his own name. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
Robert Rauschenberg, as he now called himself, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
was by then a world-famous artist, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
with a retinue of assistants helping him create some of | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
the most inventive and celebrated works of the 20th century. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:59 | |
Today, Rauschenberg isn't really a household name like, say, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
Jackson Pollock or Andy Warhol, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
but he really should be because no-one else | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
came close in working with such a bewildering array | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
of different styles, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:16 | |
constantly experimenting with new and surprising materials | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
during the course of a career that spanned six decades. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
Bob always was looking for the new. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
As soon as he mastered one thing, | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
he would look for something else that would inspire him. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
I'm not interested in doing what I know I can do | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
or what I think I can do. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
Rauschenberg was a new type of artist, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
one who embraced popular culture in all its trashy glory, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
and expanded the possibilities of what an artwork could be, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
from paintings and sculptures, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
to paintings and sculptures combined. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
He was able to break all these rules and dissolve all of these boundaries | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
because he wasn't afraid of the consequences. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
From silk-screens and blueprints | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
to works on metal and glass. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
Bob is the wind blowing through the art world for almost a century now, | 0:02:11 | 0:02:18 | |
pollinating everything. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
From set and costume design to collaborations with musicians, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
dancers and even scientists, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
Rauschenberg's endless curiosity saw him rewrite the artistic rule book | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
and anticipate every major art movement from the '50s onwards. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
Rauschenberg once said that the whole world was his canvas. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
He was always a scavenger, collecting life's flotsam and jetsam | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
to create his wildly raucously inventive works of art. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
And anything and everything could be a material for him - | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
socks, old bedspreads, | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
light bulbs, fans, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
mangled car parts, metal signs, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
even a common car tyre... | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
..made of rubber, made of petroleum, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
made from crude oil. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
However far he travelled from his home town of Port Arthur, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
it was the product of those dirty Texan oil refineries | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
that would fuel the best of his art and keep him grounded. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
He could make art from anything, you know, whether it's dirt or gold. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
There was no such thing as low or high, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
there was no hierarchy of art | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
or material or people. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
By talking to those who knew Rauschenberg best, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
I'm hoping to find out what drove this man | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
in his restless quest for reinvention, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
which saw him come from small-town America | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
to become one of the first truly global artists. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
Now, there is one person | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
who I've been really, really desperate to talk to, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
and that's Rauschenberg's younger sister, Janet, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
his only sibling. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:28 | |
Now, the only trouble is that she lives in Louisiana | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
and unfortunately she hasn't been able to fly out to meet me. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
However - and I'm hoping that Rauschenberg | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
would've approved of this - | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
my solution to the problem is to try and harness | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
21st-century technology to talk to her via a video call. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
So that's what I'm going to attempt to do now. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
There we go. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:48 | |
-Janet! -Hey. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
There's so much that I want to ask you, Janet, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
but the thing that I've been really trying to find out about is | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
a little bit about Port Arthur | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
and what life was like in Texas. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
Port Arthur is a blue-collar city, for sure. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
Not that there's anything wrong with blue-collar, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
except that there was no art stuff going on. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
Let me ask you about that because I wonder how easy was it | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
for a young man who wants to be an artist | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
to pursue his dreams in a place like that? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
It was impossible. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
And, of course, my daddy did not understand art at all, not ever. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
People did that for a hobby. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
He had no encouragement ever. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
But Mother was always totally behind Bob. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
She was a delightful little lady - | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
pretty and silly and just a lot of fun. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
And, you know, Bob was silly. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
I mean, he was silly-silly. We used to have the best time, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
cos I'm silly. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
If you couldn't have a good time then you couldn't go with him. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
You had to just go by yourself, go do something else. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
But I do think that Mother had a tremendous influence on Bob. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
For all he'd learnt from his mother about making light of life, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
Rauschenberg was determined from the very start to forge a career in art. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
After a stint in the Navy, he used his GI Bill to get himself | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
to art school in Paris in 1948. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
But by the early '50s, there was only one place to head to | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
if you wanted to be taken seriously as an artist - | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
New York, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:38 | |
which, by then, had taken over from Paris | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
as the centre of the world's avant-garde. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
And the fact that he eventually managed to gain a foothold there | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
and make a name for himself was largely down to this woman. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
-Susan. -Hi, Alastair. -Hello. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
-Come in. -It's great to meet you. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
-Thank you very much. -You too. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
-I'm in the right place. -You are. | 0:06:58 | 0:06:59 | |
So this is your studio, right? | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
This is my studio. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
VOICEOVER: Susan Weil, who, at the age of 86, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
continues to paint in her New York studio, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
met Rauschenberg in the late '40s. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
And it was she who led him to a place that would stimulate | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
the unique way he went about making art. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
-Hi, Alastair. -Hello. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
This is nice and natural now, isn't it? | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
Let's start at the very beginning. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:27 | |
I mean, how did you meet Rauschenberg? | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
Well, when I graduated from high school, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
I was young, 18, very juvenile, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
and I was enrolled in the Academie Julian in Paris | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
and in the pension where I was living, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
there was a very huge laugh that boomed out now and then, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
and it was Bob. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
He had the biggest booming laugh you could imagine. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
Do you remember what you found so attractive about Bob to begin with? | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
Well, he was so easy and friendly and wonderful | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
and I loved his enthusiasm about art and his wonder at it | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
because he grew up with people who were horrified about art | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
and we kind of explored about art together in Paris. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
In late 1948, when Susan returned to America to continue her studies | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
at Black Mountain College, Rauschenberg followed her. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
Nestling in the remote hills of North Carolina, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
Black Mountain was a haven for progressive minds, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
offering interdisciplinary classes to those who wished to experiment | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
and expand the boundaries of art. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
It had that feeling at Black Mountain | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
that you could do anything you wanted to do - | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
you just tried to do it in your own way. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
So I'm so glad he found Black Mountain | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
because Bob grew up so fast about art, he really did. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
I think that was the first place he had ever been where | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
his nonconformism was echoed in almost everybody else. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:12 | |
He was in a nest of nonconformers, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
and I think he loved the place, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
he absolutely felt supremely happy there. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
But while Rauschenberg took to Black Mountain immediately, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
his stern art teacher, Josef Albers, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
a former member of the Bauhaus, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
didn't think much of his new student. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
Bob always said that Albers was the most important teacher | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
he ever had and he was sure that Albers felt | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
he was the worst student that he'd ever had. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
He started every class with saying, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
"I don't want to know who did that." | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
And everybody would turn and look at me. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
Josef Albers recognised ego when he saw it. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:01 | |
And he didn't think we had any right to an ego, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
as we were young students, and so he had to wrestle with Bob | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
in the best way he could, which was to put down his work and so on. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
But he was also a very powerful teacher. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
Albers was incredibly expansive in what he thought | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
could be included in a work of art, so his students at Black Mountain | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
would run out and gather natural materials, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
they would gather cigarette butts, they would gather trash from | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
the dump heap and all of these things would become a work of art. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
In fact, in Albers' classes, the word "combination" was a mantra, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
so it was a kind of tutoring in collage procedures. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
Along with Albers, Rauschenberg met two men at Black Mountain, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
choreographer Merce Cunningham and composer John Cage, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
who'd become instrumental in helping him forge | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
a collaborative approach to art. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
With the help of Cage and his Model A Ford, his wheels were inked black | 0:10:58 | 0:11:04 | |
before being driven over 20 sheets of paper laid on the road. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
Rauschenberg created a piece of conceptual art | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
that marked him out as a pioneer. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
And together, the three friends would go on to produce | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
some of the most ground-breaking performances of the '50s and '60s. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
With Rauschenberg providing the sets and costumes, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
Cage the music... | 0:11:28 | 0:11:29 | |
..and Cunningham the choreography. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
But it was an earlier collaboration with Susan, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
who Rauschenberg had married in the summer of 1950, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
that first got him press attention. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
This is Life magazine with an article about our blueprints. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
-So this is the collaboration that you did together? -Yes. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
And it got featured in Life? | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
I mean, that's quite a big deal to begin with. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
I know, we were still students. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
I mean, it was crazy to get that attention. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
Well, maybe you could just describe how it worked. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
So, this is one of the big blueprints and the thing, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
whether it's a person or a flower, is covering the sensitive paper | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
and when she gets up, you put it under the shower and it turns blue. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:18 | |
-And what about these photographs. This is you - and him! -Yeah. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
-And this is your bathroom, basically? -Yeah. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
And we had to share the bath and share the kitchen. It wasn't easy. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
So when we did blueprints, our neighbour was fuming around, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
because he couldn't go to the bathroom. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
And, of course, 60-odd plus years on, these are major masterpieces. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
Do you feel proud? | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
Well, I mean, what I feel is the wonder of finding a new way to work. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:49 | |
It was exciting, you know? | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
And when you were making them, you were just so anxious | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
to see how they came out. It was just very exciting. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
The editors of Life magazine weren't the only ones | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
to spot the originality of these works. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
One was bought by the Museum of Modern Art | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
and included in their Abstraction In Photography exhibition in 1951, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
providing both the money and recognition | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
the young Rauschenberg craved. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
But just as his career seemed to be taking off, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
his relationship with Susan, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
who'd by then given birth to their son, Christopher, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
was coming to an end. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
After Christopher was born, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
Bob went back to Black Mountain to do some teaching and so on, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
and I went there that summer with Chris, he was a new-born baby, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
and then I left Black Mountain and I was on my own after that. | 0:13:55 | 0:14:01 | |
While teaching at Black Mountain, Rauschenberg had fallen in love | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
with a young painter called Cy Twombly. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Bob and Cy were gorgeous-looking. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
They were just drop-dead beautiful, both of them. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
Was Black Mountain the kind of place | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
where, if you were two young, gay men in a relationship, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
you could be fairly open about it? | 0:14:25 | 0:14:26 | |
Well, you know, homosexuality during the '50s | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
was different than it is now. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
It was so hidden. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
And I think it was hidden by homosexuals to themselves. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
Bob evidently didn't realise the degree | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
to which he was a homosexual until then. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
Were you aware, when you got married, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
of Rauschenberg's openness in terms of sexuality? | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
I didn't really understand it, because I was a dopey teenager. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
The most he ever said about it was, "I find men attractive." | 0:15:03 | 0:15:09 | |
So the marriage fell apart, but forever, we were very dear friends. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
We cared about each other a great deal and he adored Christopher, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
so that was all very positive. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
By the mid '50s, Rauschenberg's relationship with Twombly had ended | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
and he returned to New York, intent on making a name for himself. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
But he wouldn't find it easy to fit in. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
The contemporary art scene was then dominated | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
by the Abstract Expressionists. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
And compared to their non-figurative paintings, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
full of brooding introspection, Rauschenberg's exuberant works, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
brimming with references to real life, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
seemed totally left-field. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
In a pioneering film by Emile de Antonio, Rauschenberg | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
explained his approach to art that marked him out as a renegade. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:17 | |
You have to have time to feel sorry for yourself, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
if you're going to be a good Abstract Expressionist. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
And, er... | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
..I think I always considered that a waste. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
It wasn't that he rejected them, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
he didn't reject what they were doing, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
he just wanted to open it up. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
And most of them were very contemptuous of him, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
because they felt he wasn't serious. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
They felt he was doing things that were just silly, childish antics. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
No wonder, perhaps, when he was creating works like this. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
In his Erased de Kooning Drawing, made - | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
or rather unmade - in '53... | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
..Rauschenberg acquired a drawing from the high priest | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
of Abstract Expressionism, Willem de Kooning, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
and then proceeded to rub it out. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
But de Kooning, captured here on film by Robert Snyder, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
didn't make it easy for him. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
He said, "I'm going to give you | 0:17:22 | 0:17:23 | |
"something really difficult to erase." | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
And he gave me something that had charcoal, oil paint, pencil, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:36 | |
crayon and I spent a month erasing that little drawing that's this big. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:42 | |
I think that that's one of the greatest conceptual documents | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
in the history of art. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
It was the first time that somebody created | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
a work of art by subtraction. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
That's an amazing thing to have done. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
In his rebellion against the old guard, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
Rauschenberg soon found a willing accomplice, Jasper Johns, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:14 | |
another young hopeful hailing from the South | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
who'd become the most important person in his life. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
I think at the beginning it was primarily love at first sight. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
There was a poetic quality to Johns that was very appealing to him. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
It's amazing to me that they ever had a relationship, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
because Bob is so opposite to Jasper. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
Bob is so flamboyant and Jasper is more contained. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:42 | |
Despite their different temperaments, Rauschenberg and Johns | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
united in rejecting Abstract Expressionist angst. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
Their playful works, which instead celebrated popular culture, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
paved the way for pop art | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
and eventually turned them into top-selling artists. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
But when Rauschenberg and Johns got together in the mid '50s, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
they were still penniless and hungry. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
Rauschenberg was surviving on this minuscule food budget | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
of just 15 cents a day. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
He said that he couldn't even afford the ticket | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
of a ride on the subway. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:18 | |
And they were living together in this condemned building | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
in downtown Manhattan without even hot water. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
So Rauschenberg began to scour the streets for discarded junk | 0:19:24 | 0:19:30 | |
that he felt certain could be the raw - and crucially, free - | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
materials for his art. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
During the '50s, some American artists realised what the Dadaists | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
in Europe had known about 30 years before. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
Mainly that societies reveal themselves in what they threw away. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
Street junk was, to these men, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:54 | |
what the flea market had been to the Surrealists. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
And among them, there was one budding master, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
a man in his 20s from Texas, named Robert Rauschenberg. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
I actually had kind of a house rule. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
If I walked completely around the block | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
and I didn't find enough to work with, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
I could pick one other block in any direction | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
to walk around, but that was it. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
He once described it, he said, "I have a peculiar kind of focus. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
"I tend to see everything in sight." | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
He could look at the world around him uncritically. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
He could see that, as subject matter, a torn comic strip | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
lying on the street could be as usable as a Renaissance painting. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
All of these things could be a source of imagery. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
Rauschenberg came up with a new term | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
for these pioneering strange hybrid works of art | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
he started creating in the '50s out of things he'd scavenged. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
And that term was "the combines". | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
And that's because they're part painting, part sculpture | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
and this is one of the very first combines of all. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
It's called Bed and there's a brilliant story attached to it | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
about its creation. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Here he is, spring 1955 - a destitute, penniless artist | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
and he runs out of canvas, yet he still feels compelled to paint. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
So what does he do? | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
He looks around him and he finds this old quilt and thinks, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
"Aha, I can use that. I can paint on it." | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
But the thing he kept coming up against | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
was that it always looked like a quilt. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
So his light bulb moment, if you like, was to say, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
"Well, why don't I just create a painting of a bed?" | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
So he added the pillow, he added the sheet. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
And he was very happy with the results, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
but when it was first exhibited in the late '50s, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
people were utterly shocked. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
Some of the reviews thought it looked violent, disgusting. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
One critic compared it to a police photo of a murder scene. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
But that's not how Rauschenberg saw this work at all. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
He later said that this is one of the friendliest works of art | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
that he ever created. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
He said his biggest fear was that people might actually crawl in | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
and want to have a little sleep. And I think that's key. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
It tells us exactly what Rauschenberg was all about | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
as an artist. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
He was about inclusiveness, welcoming in the world. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
Welcoming in reality to bridge that gap between art and life | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
and make this something that we, ordinary people, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
can understand and relate to. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
It's part of our world, rather than some elite zone of high art. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
At a very young age, he was clear in what he didn't want to be, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
which was a, you know, wishy-washy, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
second-generation Abstract Expressionist painter. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
He just dispensed with this whole idea | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
that paint served as a marker for someone's psychic state. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:09 | |
I mean, he always insisted that things were just things | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
and that was a key distinction between him and an older generation. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
I'll tell you something that I find slightly puzzling | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
about the '50s work. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:20 | |
You know, you've characterised the way Rauschenberg | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
went about trying to dismantle Abstract Expressionism. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
At the same time, these combines are intensely personal, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
autobiographical works. Here's his son. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
There's the reading of the homoerotic content | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
of one of the most famous combines, Monogram. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
You know, there's that famous Robert Hughes line that | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
this is almost one of the most witty and compelling images | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
of homosexual love, of the goat penetrating the tyre. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
Oh, I guess I haven't thought about that, I'm sorry, Alistair! | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
-SHE LAUGHS Really? -Yes. -Amazing! | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
-Do you think it's got some credibility? -I'm sure it does. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
I mean, Rauschenberg is an artist creating works of art | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
and his interests and the things in his life come in, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
and therefore sexuality is part of it. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
He is a young, gay man in a pre-Stonewall world | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
and he's signalling his relationships | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
in various ways through his work. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
By the early '60s, Rauschenberg's combines had earnt him a reputation | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
as the bad boy of the New York art world. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
But, by then, his relationship with Jasper Johns was over. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
It ended because of a very trite lovers' quarrel. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
To be specific, one day, Jasper came back and found Bob | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
in a compromising position with a dancer from the Cunningham Company. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
I think it was very painful for them and for their close friends | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
for quite a long time afterwards. Because it had been | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
an extraordinarily electrifying relationship. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
Some consolation for the mess in his personal life | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
came in the form of the most prestigious professional recognition | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
that any artist could hope for. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
In 1964, Rauschenberg became the first American to win | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
the grand prize for painting at the Venice Biennale. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
And in that same year, he was given his first British retrospective | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
at London's Whitechapel Gallery. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
An event important enough to be covered by the BBC. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
-Brian. -Yes? -Did you check the bulbs? | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
Well, the bulbs are all right and I know it'll work at the moment. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
The fantastically inventive scope of his work | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
was quickly picked up by the British press. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
This is a piece from the Observer and it's headlined, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
"Rauschenberg: new pace-setter in art." | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
Here's another piece, "Not Just A Joker." | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
"An artist who solemnly presents us with a stuffed and grubby chicken | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
"perched on a box is a sitting target for mockery." | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
"Yet," he says, "I'd warn against dismissing him | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
"as a pretentious joker. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:16 | |
"In my view, this 38-year-old Texan is the most important artist | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
"America has produced since Jackson Pollock in the 1940s." | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
Rauschenberg has lived and worked in New York since 1951 | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
and even now he's painting more, he still likes mixed techniques. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
On Barge, he's used silkscreen quite a lot, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
his latest idea, a printed transfer process which imposes | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
a real photographic image on the canvas, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
but has an unreal printed texture to offset the oil paint around it. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
It was for his early silkscreen paintings, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
started around the same time that Andy Warhol seized on the technique, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
that Rauschenberg had won the prize in Venice. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
But rather than cash in on his success, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
he did something most people would find incomprehensible. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
His response to winning was to make a call to home | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
to tell a friend to destroy all of his silk screens. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
So he was determined that once he was celebrated | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
with a certain kind of work, that he wasn't going to repeat it any more | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
and he pushed himself to reinvent himself wholly again. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
Perhaps not surprising, then, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
that just does Rauschenberg was attracting international praise | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
as a painter, he decided to head off in a completely different direction. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:43 | |
There's a biographical fact about Rauschenberg | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
that I find particularly fascinating, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
and that is he was a superb dancer, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
despite the fact that, growing up as a boy, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
his parents were fundamentalist Christians. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
They'd been part of a very austere sect that banned drinking | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
and gambling and dancing as well. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
But, in the '50s, he started collaborating regularly | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
with Merce Cunningham, who had an experimental dance company. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
But it wasn't until the '60s that his passion for dancing, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:15 | |
for performing, really took flight. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
MUSIC: Boogie Nights by Heatwave | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
He's always worked at lots of different things, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
likes to get away from painting for periods, mostly into the theatre. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
In Pelican, his own roller-skate ballet, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
Rauschenberg reassured the other dancers | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
by trying out the movements himself. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
Even the music is his own sound combine. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
Some of the performances he did were stunning. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
The dance on roller skates - | 0:28:49 | 0:28:50 | |
every time, it just had you, your heart was in your throat. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
You were scared that something bad was going to happen, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
because it looked so dangerous - and it was. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
Um... Oh, my God! | 0:28:59 | 0:29:00 | |
He would move around this roller-skating rink | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
and pick up a ballerina and the contrast | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
between her delicacy and grace and these two guys on roller skates | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
with their parachute wings galumphing around, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
it was hilarious. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
It was always a lot of fun to be in Bob's pieces. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:27 | |
They were playful, imagistic... | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
What was he doing in terms of designing costumes | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
and designing sets? | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
In one piece of his, I had a harness that had a screen over my head. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:41 | |
Preposterous! You know, in terms of a costume. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
Bob was shooting images of the Empire State Building | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
onto the screen and I was holding a watermelon | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
covered with a small cloth | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
and I pulled the cloth back and it exposed the head of the watermelon | 0:29:53 | 0:29:58 | |
to the audience and then drop it over again, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
so it had a kind of pornographic quality to it. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Sounds utterly outrageous! | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
It seems very natural to me, when I think about the way he saw. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
Everything would be included as part of his art-making. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
You know, from Bob, everything was acceptable, always. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
It never felt too radical, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
because it was him and he just kept opening doors. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
-Wow, Julie. It's so big. -I know, it's amazing, isn't it? | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
-I mean, you could really imagine this... -150 feet. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
In 1966, the 69th Regiment Armoury in New York became the venue | 0:30:36 | 0:30:42 | |
for one of Rauschenberg's most ambitious ventures. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
A multimedia event held over the course of nine evenings | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
that would blow the minds | 0:30:51 | 0:30:52 | |
of the 10,000 curious visitors assembled there. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
PSYCHEDELIC ROCK MUSIC PLAYS | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
In January 1966, ten artists from New York | 0:31:00 | 0:31:05 | |
and 30 engineers from Bell Telephone Laboratories | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
began a collaboration that resulted | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
in a series of dance, music and theatre works. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
The events began with a piece choreographed by Rauschenberg | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
called Open Score. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:25 | |
It started with a tennis game. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
Frank Stella and his tennis partner came out and she measured the net, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
totally serious, and then they started playing. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
RINGING CHIME | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
The racquets were fixed in such a way | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
that in the handle of the racquet was an FM transmitter, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
so every time the racquet hit a ball, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
the sound was transmitted to an FM radio and then to the sound system, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
so every time the ball was hit, you heard this very loud bong. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:00 | |
One of the things about the armoury which we discovered very quickly | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
was that there was a five-second echo. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
SHE CLAPS | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
CLAP ECHOES | 0:32:07 | 0:32:08 | |
It's very... It is acoustic mayhem, isn't it? | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
We knew about how this sound was going to reverberate. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
This natural, beautiful sound. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
And so he took full advantage of it. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
CHIMES ECHO | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
Each time the ball was hit, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
one of the lights around the armoury went out. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
-What happened towards the end? -They kept playing. -Did they? -They did. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:32 | |
And once it was dark, completely, the second part started. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
500 people came onto the floor in the darkness and as they came in, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
they each said, "My name is, my name is..." | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
I am Walter Segal. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
I am Barbara Wold. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
And then as the crowd's part finished, a spotlight went on to | 0:32:48 | 0:32:53 | |
a figure in a sack and you began to hear this voice singing. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
CHORAL SINGING | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
And Bob would pick her up and put her down at a certain point, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
let her sing a bit longer, pick her up and put her down somewhere else. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
It's pure performance art. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
It's very, very simple, very human gestures. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
Helping Rauschenberg bring his performance to life was | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
a visionary scientist from Bell Laboratories called Billy Kluver. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
Through the organisation they formed - | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
Experiments in Art and Technology - | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
the pair would go on to produce inventive, interactive work | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
that married art with cutting-edge technology. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
You know, looking back - EAT and the collaborations with Bob - | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
it really was part of the utopian enterprises of the '60s, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:50 | |
certainly with the election of JFK and then with the moon travel, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
it was incredible optimism for America. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
So the promise of technology was quite strong and the promise | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
that the individual working with the technology could make a difference. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
And I think Bob was supremely committed to that idea. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
# OK, friends, it's time for the Fatback Band | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
# Yeah | 0:34:12 | 0:34:13 | |
# Wicky-wacky... # | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
By the mid '60s, Rauschenberg had enough money to buy himself | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
a large studio in a converted Catholic orphanage | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
on Lafayette Street in downtown Manhattan. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
And it quickly became a favourite hang-out for all the people | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
Rauschenberg was collaborating with at the time. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
It was like every day was a party. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
It was always, you know, hilarious. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
I mean, I just remember that we just laughed a lot. You know? | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
You felt you were part of a family, when you're sitting round the table, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
Lafayette Street, you're part of Bob's family. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
I think a lot of people felt that. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
Another regular visitor to Rauschenberg's Lafayette studio | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
was his teenage son, Christopher. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
So this is the kitchen. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
This is the part of the house where, really, everything happened. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
I mean, yes, work was made in the studio but, basically, everything... | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
This was the conviviality in here? | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
So, you... I mean, as a boy, you must remember this really well. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
-Yeah. -You'd come in here, this is where you'd see your dad. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
And this is within walking distance of my mom's house in Chinatown, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
so I would just get off the subway at Astor Place | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
and come in and hang out. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
He always had Haagen-Dazs ice cream in there, so that was OK. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
Was this the original range that was...? | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
Yeah, from the orphanage. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
-BAGPIPE-LIKE DRONE What a noise! -There you go. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
John Cage wouldn't want me to turn that sound off. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
But maybe we will need some hot holder here. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
And who would you...? | 0:35:48 | 0:35:49 | |
I mean, if you walked up the stairs and came into the kitchen | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
-as we have just done... -Yes? -..who typically might you run into? | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
Pretty much anybody. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
So, you must have felt very glamorous to be coming over here, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
because here was this space, centre of parties, this charismatic man | 0:36:00 | 0:36:05 | |
who was always at the centre of attention, also dating other men. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
Sure, yeah. He had great boyfriends. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
You would meet them, interact with them? | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
They were terrific friends and wonderful grown-ups for me to be | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
around when I was a young adult or teenager, so it was all good. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
So, I get the impression that your memories of your dad | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
-sound remarkably positive. -Yeah. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
But there is another element about him that is very well-known, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
which I imagine could have been quite disruptive in a dad, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
which is that he was an alcoholic. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
What are your memories of that? | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
It depended. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
I mean, there were periods of his life | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
where he drank a lot and it was OK. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
There was a period later in his life where it was really a problem | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
and he was really struggling and not, you know... | 0:36:47 | 0:36:52 | |
-You witnessed this? -Oh, absolutely, yeah. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
As in, he couldn't work? | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
Well, he always could work, but he was really, sort of, tortured by it. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
I don't think he made much of his art while he was drunk. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
I mean, I think if he was drunk, he was drunk. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
He was not in a position to make art. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
I mean, Bob had an enormous ability to drink. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
I've never seen anybody drink like that in my life. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
I think he became dependent on it. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
Did you see a change in his personality as well, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
the way he interacted with other people? | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
He became less considerate of others when he was drunk. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:33 | |
He was never nasty to me. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
He could be cutting to people when he was drunk. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:42 | |
But what was it that was driving him to drink that much? | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
I don't...I don't know. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
I only know that Bob was a perceptual machine. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
Everything that was happening in the world | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
was being loaded through every pore of his skin. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
That's a very heavy burden to carry. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
In 1970, with his drinking out of hand | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
and his creativity at a low ebb, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
Rauschenberg decided it was time to clean himself up, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
get out of New York and make a fresh start elsewhere. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:21 | |
# Sunday morning | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
# Brings the dawn in... # | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
The beautiful island of Captiva, off the coast of Florida, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
where Rauschenberg lived for the next 40 years, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
would provide the haven he'd need to start working again. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
Not a bad place in the world, is it? | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
-Can we just stay here? -Yeah, I think we're done, right? | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
-Exactly. -Where's the towels and...? | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
-The cocktails. -Yeah. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
So, I mean, this is the place where there are all of these... | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
-I can see them already. -Oh, absolutely. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
This is famous for people collecting shells. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
Yeah, one of the best shelling places in the world. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
And the fishing's amazing. Bob, you know, every day. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
-So, he'd be like this man? -Absolutely. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
There's pictures of him. That pose is perfect. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
When did he first come here? | 0:39:29 | 0:39:30 | |
Well, someone had told him about this island and so he said, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
"I'm going down there to check it out," and what he told me was, | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
he got on the island, he had to stop the car for a turtle | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
to cross the road and he just loved that. That was it. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
So then he bought this house. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
Come on in to the beach house. This place is great. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
If these walls could talk... | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
I'll tell you what I love about it, it's not grand. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
-It's not massive, yeah. -It's not huge. -Simple, yeah. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
-It's humble living. -Absolutely. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:07 | |
-And that's clearly part of the thing - just keep it relaxed. -Right. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
He had no furniture, cos he wanted it very minimal | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
and he actually added this wall, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
because everything was about hanging art, right? | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
So he needed more wall space. So that was built and added. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
-If I was staying here, Matt, I'd get nothing done. -Exactly. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
I'd sleep, I'd swim, I'd snooze, I'd read. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
-Yeah. -What was he doing? | 0:40:26 | 0:40:27 | |
His routine was, you know, he worked late. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
So he wasn't exactly an early riser, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
but he would always get up, take care of any of the business | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
that was going on - correspondence, those kinds of things. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
-Kind of lunchtime this is going on? -Yeah, around ten. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
Young And The Restless, had to see the soap opera, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
-that was a definite. -Well, it's just wonderful. You know, there he is. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
That's one of my favourite photos of him. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
And that smile, if you look at all the pictures throughout his life, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
that's what you see, is that smile. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
So this was like the centre of his universe for a long time, right? | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
Yeah. From 1970, he made 99% of his art, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:03 | |
if not a little bit higher, here on this island. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
So this, I think, might have saved his life. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
I think that coming here, just giving him that licence | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
to just stop worrying about business and things and make art. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
I went to an astrologer once. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
I was having some kind of serious psychological dilemmas | 0:41:23 | 0:41:29 | |
and he said, "I'll tell you one thing, don't go to the mountains. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:35 | |
"Hit the sun and the water." | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
I was worried about how I would adjust to it. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
I thought, "I'm going to miss New York so much," | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
and it turned out that I love it. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
Today, thanks to a scheme run by the foundation set up in his name, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
Rauschenberg's multifaceted approach to art is kept alive | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
by a new generation of artists. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
Bob had envisioned a residency in Captiva being used for artists. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
He was really about creative exploration and I think that | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
the foundation has this natural tendency to try different things, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
to keep it very creative and test some of those boundaries. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:27 | |
The fact that we are able to have his studio full of these | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
really interesting artists, in all fields from all over, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
we are able to continue doing the things he would do. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
Yeah, he's gone, but he is still in conversation with millions of people | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
and they all come away deeply moved by his spirit | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
and the generosity and, "Let's all work together." | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
I already knew that Captiva was a really special place, | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
but coming here to the fish house, it's so surprising, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
because Rauschenberg made art that was frenetic, it was urban. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:16 | |
He had this restless spirit and this place, | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
its magic is all about stillness and tranquillity. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
And I find it really moving, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
thinking of this mercurial man whose soul was in perpetual motion, | 0:43:27 | 0:43:32 | |
if you like, who needed to come here, seeking peace, craving peace. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:37 | |
And it was this place that provided him with that solace | 0:43:37 | 0:43:41 | |
that he clearly always craved. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
I think that Captiva really was a parting of the seas, | 0:43:46 | 0:43:51 | |
of the noise of urban life and allowing him to be a part of nature. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:56 | |
It was a place where he could find his own ideas | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
and look at the natural environment in a new way. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
With his drinking now under control, | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
Rauschenberg started creating new works | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
that, even on the tropical island of Captiva, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
were inspired by the everyday materials he'd always been drawn to. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
"A desire built up in me to work in a material of waste and softness. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:27 | |
"Something yielding with its only message a collection of lines | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
"imprinted like a friendly joke. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
"A silent discussion of their history exposed by the new shapes. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:38 | |
"Laboured, commonly with happiness - boxes." | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
So any kind of imagery | 0:44:41 | 0:44:44 | |
on the cardboard series is what was on the boxes when he found them - | 0:44:44 | 0:44:49 | |
"This side up," or "Handle with care," whatever. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
It's not like he commissioned them. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
These are boxes that have genuinely been used. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:56 | |
So, when you see the writing on them... | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
What does this say? "Phillips plated." | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
It's just totally commercial things, which he's turned into art. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
-Right. -What are these at the far end of the room? | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
This is a series that is called Early Egyptians, | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
and those are cardboard boxes | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
that he then took out to the beach in front of the studio | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
and covered them with an adhesive and put sand on them | 0:45:18 | 0:45:23 | |
and then he painted the backs with Day-Glo paint, | 0:45:23 | 0:45:27 | |
which then reflects in colour against the wall. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
You can see little hints of red or other colours on them. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
That's really hiding the light under a bushel. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
I mean, this is bright orange here. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
I would never have known that if you hadn't told me. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
Can we look at some of the other work? | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
This is an incredible sculpture. What's this? | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
This specific work is called Global Chute | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
and obviously with the globe in the top | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
and what looks like a chute from a rooftop or whatever. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
This must be... I mean, it genuinely looks like | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
-a piece of architecture that he salvaged. -Right. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
It's fallen off the top of the building. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
It's almost as though the Earth is heading this direction, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
towards the garbage. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
How much was he thinking about, from the '70s on, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
real ecological, environmental issues? | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
He was very concerned with environmental issues. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
There was a Captiva conservation organisation, | 0:46:14 | 0:46:16 | |
so he was both concerned locally with what was just around his house | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
and his studio and then globally - | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
if he could support a major cause worldwide, he would do that as well. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:26 | |
In the early '80s, | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
the social and environmental concerns underpinning all of his art | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
saw Rauschenberg shift his focus beyond Captiva's calm shores. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:41 | |
He now embarked on an ambitious humanitarian project, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
crisscrossing the globe to promote world peace through his art. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
ROCI - the Rauschenberg Overseas Culture Interchange - | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
would take him to 11 countries and consume all his energies | 0:46:57 | 0:47:02 | |
for the best part of a decade. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
Bob said, "I know what I want to do. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
"I want to go to various countries, | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
"countries that are challenged and look at the art of that country, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:17 | |
"meet with the indigenous people, speak to students, | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
"sense the political situation and gather information and objects | 0:47:20 | 0:47:25 | |
"to produce work as an offering to the people of the country." | 0:47:25 | 0:47:31 | |
OK, important distinction. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:32 | |
Yes, "to the people of the country." | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
So, was this more about art or perhaps | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
more about a kind of activism? | 0:47:37 | 0:47:38 | |
Well, I think it's both. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
Many of the countries were oppressive | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
and he wanted to offer to tradition-bound people | 0:47:43 | 0:47:48 | |
an alternative way of seeing, of feeling, of thinking. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:53 | |
It's a peace mission without a missionary. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:59 | |
Through information about each other, around the world, | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
we might be able to stop some of the stupidity | 0:48:03 | 0:48:08 | |
that are controlling us, because I'm being controlled | 0:48:08 | 0:48:13 | |
by probably an equal amount of stupidity as you are. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
These paintings were all from his exhibition in Cuba. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
Oh, you can see, for instance, there are some of the stars of there, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
-but this is this old Cuban classic car. -Right. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
And this looks like a skull. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
Bob felt that a work wasn't finished until the viewer finishes the work | 0:48:40 | 0:48:46 | |
by coming to it and bringing his reaction. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
To show that in a physical way, he put a mirror in it | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
and then there's the viewer in the picture. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
And particularly disconcerting that here, | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
my head is almost directly parallel with the skull. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
If you stand in the right place. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:03 | |
That seems to be Rauschenberg's funny joke. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
They're always incredibly serious, but very light-hearted | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
and humorous often and just pretty much everything caught his eye. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
These are some negatives from when Bob was in Moscow. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
So this is an example of what he did in ROCI? | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
He'd go to a country and... | 0:49:23 | 0:49:24 | |
Walk around, take pictures, pick up debris. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
Pick up whatever seemed to him to speak of the place. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:31 | |
So what's caught his eye here? | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
There's architecture of the city, is that an old woman on a bus? | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
-Yes, I think that's the driver. -That's the driver, maybe. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
Oh, yeah, so it is. And this is just broken fencing or something, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
but there's a great sense, just looking at this, | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
it gives you that idea of he's there presumably | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
with a camera the whole time - click, click, click. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
Now, I may be biased, because I'm a photographer, but to me, | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
his whole way of looking at the world is the way a photographer | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
looks at the world. They look at things that other people | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
would just walk by and say, "Oh, that's nothing." | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
I think photography really was very, very central. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:03 | |
I mean, I guess you've pulled this out, | 0:50:03 | 0:50:05 | |
because is this him writing about it? | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
-Yes, yes. -What does he say about it? | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
"My preoccupation with photography in the beginning, 1949, was first | 0:50:09 | 0:50:15 | |
"supported by a personal conflict between shyness and curiosity. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
"The camera functioned as a social shield. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
"In 1981, I think of the camera as my permission | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
"to walk into every shadow or watch while any light changes. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
"My concern is to move at a speed within which to act. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
"Photography is the most direct communication | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
"in non-violent contacts." | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
Bob was not naive. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:44 | |
He certainly didn't think that he was going to produce peace | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
in our time through the ROCI exhibition. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
But I listened and watched the dialogue between Rauschenberg | 0:50:50 | 0:50:54 | |
and people on the street. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
He made a difference. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
If you were on the street with him and you realised how he | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
physically and literally touched people with his humanity. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:07 | |
I mean, he exuded humanity. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
He exuded caring. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
Is Rauschenberg almost this one-man United Nations? | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
Absolutely. He wanted a purity to this and, in the end, | 0:51:13 | 0:51:18 | |
there was a decision on Bob's behalf that he could not be seen | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
as taking funding from any organisation or government. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:27 | |
And so he funded himself. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:29 | |
He sold his Twomblys and his Jasper Johns, all to fund ROCI. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:35 | |
-It's a testament to the integrity of ROCI. -Absolutely. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
For Rauschenberg, ROCI was a labour of love | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
and one that cost him a personal fortune of up to 10 million. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:48 | |
But to others, it seemed a naively idealistic project. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:53 | |
I lost most of my dealers. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
They thought this was a... | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
Sort of an extravagant waste of time and talent. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
But that was its function. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
How best I could world-widely waste my time and talent and money. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:13 | |
We did all three very well, didn't we, Don? | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
That's a really good one. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
With his professional fortunes at an all-time low, | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
Rauschenberg retreated to his vast studio in Captiva | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
and, regardless, made new work based on imagery | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
from his travels for ROCI. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
This is, essentially, the fabrication studio downstairs | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
-and the upstairs was where he would create the works. -Mm-hm. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
Imagine, if you will, | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
it was a wall of racks of silk-screens and there was | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
probably 500 silk-screens and they were all lined up vertically. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:02 | |
But it was unique, because Bob would be upstairs | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
and he would have this large book, | 0:53:05 | 0:53:06 | |
and he would say, "Bring me Chile 203," | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
or, "Japan 506," or whatever and we would bring the screens up. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
Then he would work on them. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
But though Rauschenberg continued to be inspired by his global adventure, | 0:53:15 | 0:53:19 | |
by the early '90s, New York's art world felt he'd lost his way. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
There was a pretty general wave of turning against Bob | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
and the same thing happened to Picasso | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
in the later stages of his career. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
Critics began saying he hadn't done anything good since 1938, | 0:53:40 | 0:53:45 | |
but with Bob, I think what happened was that he's such a producer | 0:53:45 | 0:53:50 | |
and in Captiva, with a team around him, and a lot of resistance, | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
the production got larger and larger. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
And in that situation, you can't possibly expect everything | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
to be at the highest level. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
But there was always three or four or five | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
that were absolutely dead on top flight Rauschenberg. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:10 | |
In the last decade of his life, | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
the rest of the art world seemed to catch up with this thinking. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
And the man who had become something of an unsung prophet in his own land | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
was awarded with a major retrospective | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
at New York's Guggenheim Museum - | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
recognition for an artist who'd consistently | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
broken new ground over six decades. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
But in 2002, aged 76, America's arguably most prolific | 0:54:36 | 0:54:41 | |
and original artist suffered a stroke | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
that left his right arm paralysed. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
It was the beginning of the end for a man who'd lived for his art. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
I remember being in the studio one day with him and we were looking at, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
I think, the last set of paintings that he made. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:03 | |
And it became kind of still | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
and sweet... | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
..and he began to cry. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
And he said to me, "Ernie, I have lost so much." | 0:55:15 | 0:55:21 | |
What did you say to him? | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
I told him that he had given us so much | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
and that it would always be with us | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
and that, for a man who had lost so much, | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
it was a pretty fabulous set of paintings. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
What can you say to someone you love, but be realistic? | 0:55:37 | 0:55:42 | |
Bob knew that his life was soon to be over, | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
that he couldn't continue to live like that. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
By 2008, Rauschenberg's health had dramatically declined. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:57 | |
And following heart disease, he was put on a life-support machine. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:01 | |
Bob had been really almost sick to death three other times, | 0:56:05 | 0:56:11 | |
in the intensive unit and whatever, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
and he got well. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
So I always felt that he could make it through this one, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
but then, he was so sick | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
and he wanted to go back to Captiva. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
He did not want to die in a hospital. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
What happened at the very end, Janet? | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
Because, as I understand it, | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
he took a conscious decision to end things, didn't he? | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
He had a trachea thing and they would not be able | 0:56:37 | 0:56:42 | |
to ever get him back breathing on his own. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:46 | |
And so he didn't want to... | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
That was not the way he wanted to live. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
And I was just mortified by it and I told him, I said, "Let's just wait. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:56 | |
"Maybe you'll get better." | 0:56:56 | 0:56:57 | |
And so he just kind of squeezed my hand and he said, | 0:56:57 | 0:57:01 | |
"Let me go, please." | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
So, we had to do that. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
I still miss him so much. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
I think the best job in the whole world was being Bob's little sister. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:15 | |
It was so much fun. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
It was entertaining, but it was meaningful, too. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
I learned a lot from him. A lot. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:22 | |
He was such an amazing person - | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
his sense of humour, he was such a giver. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
And everybody would say that, you know, there was just something. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:34 | |
One of a kind, broke the mould. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
All those cliches, if you will, that was Bob. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
I would think from time to time, as an art student, | 0:57:41 | 0:57:45 | |
that I wish I could have been around the likes of Leonardo or Cezanne | 0:57:45 | 0:57:51 | |
or Picasso and then I realised, especially towards the end, | 0:57:51 | 0:57:57 | |
that I had been in the presence of that kind of genius. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
He was profound, simply profound. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:03 | |
And we were all the beneficiaries because of it. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:06 | |
So much of the work we see today has its roots in things | 0:58:06 | 0:58:11 | |
that Rauschenberg did. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:13 | |
Every corner of his work can be mined and used by younger artists, | 0:58:13 | 0:58:18 | |
as a starting point or as an opening point. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
He opened everything up. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:24 | |
He opened the world up. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:26 | |
And it's still going on. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:29 | |
# Hey, hey, hey, hey | 0:58:44 | 0:58:49 | |
# This is a perfect work | 0:58:49 | 0:58:53 | |
# Your photograph. # | 0:58:53 | 0:58:58 |