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A life is made up of a great amount of small incidents. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:16 | |
And a small amount of great ones. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
An autobiography must therefore, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
unless it is to become tedious, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
be extremely selective... | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
..discarding all inconsequential incidents | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
..and concentrating upon those that have remained vivid in the memory. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
I went flying with the RAF in the Second World War. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
Gloster Gladiators cooperate with the ground forces. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
I flew straight to the point | 0:01:13 | 0:01:14 | |
where 80 Squadron should have been. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
It wasn't there. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
Below me there was nothing but empty desert, and rugged desert at that, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
full of large stones and boulders and gullies. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
It was nearly dark now, I had to get down somehow. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
I chose a piece of ground that seemed to be as boulder-free as any. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
My wheels touched down, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:52 | |
I throttled back and prayed for a bit of luck. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
I didn't get it. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:02 | |
I was unconscious for some moments, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
but I must have recovered my senses very quickly, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
because I can remember... | 0:02:09 | 0:02:10 | |
LOUD WHOOSH | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
..a mighty whoosh as the petrol tank exploded. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
Roald is on his way to his first day of active service flying for the RAF | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
against the Italians, in the desert of northern Libya. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
He hadn't got to the base where he was supposed to be. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
He hit a boulder. The whole thing burst into flames. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
He pulled himself out, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
and then lay on the ground while the plane was burning and while these | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
extraordinary guns started to go off. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
The crash was so bad the plane was completely totalled, he nearly... | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
I mean, he nearly died. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
I think he was very, very lucky to come out of that alive. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
My face hurt most. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
I slowly put a hand up to feel it. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
It was very sticky. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:04 | |
My nose didn't seem to be there. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
In the hospital in Alexandria, he lived in this world for six weeks, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
I think, of total darkness, of uncertainty about where he was, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
about what was going on. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
The blindness must have been very frightening. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
You're in hospital, and all you can hear are voices. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
And then when the bandages come off, you know, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
"Am I going to be able to see?" You know. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
Blindness, not to mention life itself, was no longer too important. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
The only way was to accept all the dangers and the consequences | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
as calmly as possible. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
The crash clearly was incredibly important, because it became | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
the subject of his first piece of published work. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
But I think it also may well have changed his personality. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
He thought, and often said, that, um... | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
he felt something had changed in him as a result of this crash. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
They were the head injuries that made him into a writer. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
He exaggerated the crash quite a bit. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
You know, this was a drama. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:26 | |
This was something fantastic to write about! | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
These extraordinary ideas, how do they develop? | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
Where do they come from? | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
They always, of course, start with some tiny germ. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
Somewhere. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
And you rattle it around, and... | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
..hope for the best, and build up a story. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:48 | |
I don't know, it's got to start with something. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
When I was seven my mother decided I should go to a proper boys' school. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
It was called Llandaff Cathedral School, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
and it stood right under the shadow of the cathedral. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
The sweet shop at Llandaff was the very centre of our lives. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
To us it was what a bar is to a drunk, or a church to a bishop - | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
without it, there would have been little to live for. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
But it had one terrible drawback, this sweet shop. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
The woman who owned it | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
was a horror. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
I've forgotten, for the moment, what the horrible woman in the shop was, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
-but... -Mrs Pratchett. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:42 | |
Oh, she was Mrs Pratchett, that's right, yes. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
She never welcomed us when we went in. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
And the only times she spoke were when she said things like... | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
"I'm watching you, | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
"so keep your thieving fingers off them chocolates." | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
I think it was in school cap days. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
It's very nice, because it's a sort of early version of a lot of things | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
that happen in the books later. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
You know, these ingenuities. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
Some kind of suitable revenge goes on, which is...which is very nice. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
My four friends and I had come across a loose floorboard | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
at the back of the classroom. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:30 | |
One day, we lifted it up and found a dead mouse. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
It was an exciting discovery. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
"Hold on a tick," I said, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
"why don't we slip it into one of Mrs Pratchett's jars of sweets? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
"Then, when she puts her dirty hand in to grab a handful, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
"she'll grab a stinky dead mouse instead." | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
When you're old enough to... | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
..and experienced enough to be a competent writer, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
by then, you've become pompous and... | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
..adult, grown-up and...you've lost all your jokiness. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
You don't have any... | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
And so, unless you are a kind of | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
undeveloped...adult, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
and you still have an enormous amount of childishness in you, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
and you giggle at funny stories and jokes and things, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
I don't think you can do it. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:30 | |
The five of us left school and headed for the sweet shop. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
We were tremendously jazzed up. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
We felt like a gang of desperadoes setting out to rob a train. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
We were the victors now, and Mrs Pratchett was the victim. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:52 | |
She stood behind the counter, and her small, malignant pig eyes | 0:07:52 | 0:07:58 | |
watched us suspiciously. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
When I saw Mrs Pratchett turn her head away for a couple of seconds, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:07 | |
I lifted the heavy glass lid of the gobstopper jar, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:12 | |
and dropped the mouse in. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:15 | |
Well, I think Roald thought they'd got away with it. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
But, in fact, of course, he hadn't. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
The consequences, of course... | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
..hit hard. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:29 | |
We didn't speak as we made our way down the long corridor into | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
the headmaster's dreaded study. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
He raised the cane high above his shoulder, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
and as he brought it down... | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
..it made a loud swishing sound. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:44 | |
SWISH-CRACK! | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
And there was a crack like a pistol shot as it struck Thwaite's bottom. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:53 | |
"Harder! Harder!" shrieked a voice from over in the corner. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
We looked around, and there was the loathsome figure of Mrs Pratchett. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
GRUFF VOICE: "Lay into him!" | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
SWISH-CRACK! | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
SWISH-CRACK! | 0:09:07 | 0:09:08 | |
SWISH-CRACK! | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
You could hear your fellow... | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
..friends being caned. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
And you knew you were next. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
I mean, that's pretty tough. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
I think it affected him a lot. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
And, of course, it went through a lot of his children's literature. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
Vicious people are much more interesting than nice, good people. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
There's nothing more boring than a totally good person. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
They've got to have quirks and bad habits and things like that. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:44 | |
You can have a nice one as well, chucked in there, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
but if you had a book full of nothing but nice people, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
it would be awfully boring. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
"It's like a war!" Matilda said. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
"You're darn right, it's like a war," Hortensia cried, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
"and the casualties are terrific. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
"We are the Crusaders, the gallant army fighting for our lives | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
"with hardly any weapons at all. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
"And the Trunchbull | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
"is the Prince of Darkness. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
"The foul serpent. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
"The fiery dragon with all the weapons at her command." | 0:10:15 | 0:10:20 | |
Mrs Trunchbull in the movie is very, very like | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
Mrs Trunchbull in the book. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
She's larger than life, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
a grotesque adult who absolutely hates children and finds them | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
the most revolting things in the world. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
Her way of punishing them is rather different, however, to the norm. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
She likes to whirl them around her head and throw them out the window. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
CHILDREN GASP | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
Aaaaargh! | 0:10:45 | 0:10:46 | |
I never liked authority. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
I've never got on very well in institutions. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
Always...er, difficult. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
But it's wrong, of course, to be like that, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
because you couldn't run schools and institutions like that | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
if everyone was like that. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
There shouldn't be too many rebels around. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
There shouldn't be. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:08 | |
But you are one? | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
Well, I... Yes, but you get much mellower as you get older, you know. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
I'm still a rebel in some respects, yes. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
Very much so. I don't like conformists, people who conform. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
At school, every boy in our house used to be given, each term, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
a plain brown cardboard box with 12 chocolate bars in it. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
And every... | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
Each of these, except for the one, which was the control bar, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
and was always a coffee creme bar, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
they were new inventions from | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
a famous chocolate manufacturer, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
and we were meant to taste them. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:52 | |
We were given them free, and we tasted them, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
there was a bit of paper in there | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
and we marked them all from 0 to 10. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
I realised then, you see, | 0:11:58 | 0:11:59 | |
that this vast chocolate factory had in it a room, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
a secret room, where fully grown men and women spent their entire time | 0:12:04 | 0:12:10 | |
trying to think up and invent new chocolate bars for children. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
And I've never been in one or seen one | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
or met anyone who's worked in one, but they clearly must exist, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
mustn't they? | 0:12:22 | 0:12:23 | |
-ARCHIVE: -Every big industry has its backroom boys, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
where research and science take over. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
The fascination of chocolates became immense when he was at Repton. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:43 | |
That was the seed, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
the cocoa bean, that was planted for Charlie And The Chocolate Factory. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
Willy Wonka was partially my father. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
I think he based most of his adult heroes | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
on parts of himself. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:03 | |
Parts of his dreams of glory. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
Parts and characteristics of himself that he liked in himself. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
The inspiration that I've had from Willy Wonka, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
it's just the idea that there should be no limits to your creativity. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
Let free rein happen, and... | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
just try introducing all sorts of | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
wild and wacky ingredients, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
and see what happens. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
-Mmm! -It's nice? -Yeah, really good. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
-That's certainly got the crunchy cricket. -Yes. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
Did you know that he's invented chocolate ice cream so that it | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
stays cold for hours and hours without being in the refrigerator? | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
"That's impossible," said little Charlie, staring at his grandfather. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
"Of course it's impossible," said Grandpa Joe. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
"It's completely absurd." | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
"But Mr Willy Wonka has done it." | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
Somehow, he conjured up, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
time after time, these magical stories, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
and I think he did believe... | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
..that you have to believe in magic. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
Roald wrote the screenplay | 0:14:34 | 0:14:35 | |
for the movie of Charlie And The Chocolate Factory, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
and had very high hopes for it, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
but he was very disappointed when they came to shoot it. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
He thought Wonka was more mercurial and more weird, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
and he had Spike Milligan in mind, and, in fact, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
insisted that the producers do a screen test with him. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
And Spike Milligan even shaved his beard. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
They didn't like him, so it ended up with Gene Wilder. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
He thought Gene Wilder just wasn't eccentric enough. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
He was too soft. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
Invention, my dear friends, is 93% perspiration, 6% electricity, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:12 | |
4% evaporation and 2% butterscotch ripple. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
That's 105%. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
Any good? | 0:15:19 | 0:15:20 | |
Yes. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
Everything that happened in his life coloured what he wrote. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
Everything. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
When you finished school, you were very anxious | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
to get a job that would bring you to exotic places in the world. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
-Yes. -Why was that? | 0:15:40 | 0:15:41 | |
Well, I think... If you think of the time, which was 1933, or '4, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:49 | |
there were virtually no aeroplanes flying you anywhere. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
There weren't any. No commercial airline. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
FOG HORN BLARES | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
It's impossible for young people today to understand the excitement | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
of getting on a boat and travelling solidly for three or four weeks | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
and finishing up in Africa among the coconut palms. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
He joined Shell, he was a trainee oil executive of some description, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:14 | |
but he'd only joined Shell so that he could get to go to Africa. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
That's where he wanted to go. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:18 | |
To me it was all wonderful, beautiful and exciting. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
And so it remained for the rest of my time in Tanganyika. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
Oh, I loved it all. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
There were no furled umbrellas, no bowler hats, no sombre grey suits. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
And I never once had to go on a train or a bus. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
Finding himself in Africa must have been a revelation, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
an incentive as well, I'm sure. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
Of course, he could not know at that stage that he was going to be | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
the writer he was, but I'm sure that that sort of stuff silts down | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
in the consciousness and comes out later. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
-Now, these black mambas are real -BLEEP. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
Not only are they one of the few snakes that will attack without | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
provocation, but if they bite you, you stand a jolly good chance | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
of kicking the bucket in a few hours. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
The black mamba is extraordinary, and I'm not sure if I know how to... | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
to draw a black mamba, but they're | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
pretty hefty and serious. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:25 | |
One morning, I was shaving myself in the bathroom, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
and I was gazing out into the garden. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
I was watching Salimu, as he methodically raked the front drive. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
And then I saw the snake. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:45 | |
It was six feet long and thick as my arm. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
It had seen Salimu and was gliding fast, straight towards him. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
I yelled in Swahili, "Salimu! | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
"Beware, huge snake, behind you." | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
It would reach him in another five seconds. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
I lent out of the window, and held my breath. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
He waited until the very last moment, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
when the mamba was not more than five feet away, and then... | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
..he brought the rake down hard, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
right on the middle of the mamba's back. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
I rushed down the stairs, absolutely naked, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
grabbing a golf club as I went. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
I shouted to Salimu, "What shall I do?" | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
"Stand away, Bwana! Leave it to me." | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
The boy hit it accurately, and very hard, on the head. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
Salimu let out a great sigh, and passed a hand over his forehead. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
"Oh, thank you, Bwana, thank you very much." | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
The first book I did was The Enormous Crocodile, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
which, I suppose... | 0:18:53 | 0:18:54 | |
I mean, when I got it, it was the first book I'd done, you know, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
and I was just sort of amazed to look at it, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
but, of course, he had that background in Africa, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
so that if it was, you know, this great, greasy river that he was in. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
That, to him, was a real river. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
It says he had hundreds of teeth, I think. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
So I sort of came to do it with hundreds... | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
I mean, I started off drawing real crocodiles, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
but real crocodiles are not like this at all. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
They don't have teeth like that. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:27 | |
Real crocodiles have sort of wobbly mouths like that, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
and they have a tooth here and there, you know, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
sort of thing. But this has... | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
And of course, what it is... | 0:19:35 | 0:19:36 | |
..you know, it's specially for eating children. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
CHANTING AND SINGING | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
"Soon," he thought, "one of them is going to sit on my head, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:49 | |
"and I'll give a jerk, and a snap. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
"And after that, it will be - yum, yum, yum!" | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
SQUAWK | 0:19:57 | 0:19:58 | |
At that moment there was a flash of brown. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
It was Muggle-Wump, the monkey. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
"Run!" Muggle-Wump shouted to the children. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
"All of you, run, run, run! | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
"That's not a seesaw! It's the enormous crocodile, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:13 | |
"and he wants to eat you up." | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
I'm quite prepared to have them | 0:20:17 | 0:20:18 | |
killed in the most grisly possible way, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
like having little boys from Eton pulled out of the windows | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
and eaten by giants, bones crunched up and everything. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
That's fine as long as there is a whopping great laugh | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
at the same time. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:34 | |
Will you warn your controller that this looks like yet another attack? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
VOICE OVER RADIO - INDISTINCT | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
At exactly ten o'clock, I was strapped into my Hurricane, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
ready for takeoff. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:02 | |
Well, six months after his crash, he found himself in one of these, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
a Mk I Hurricane, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:08 | |
with only two hours flying experience in this, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
flying to Greece. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
Two days after he got there, he found himself flying in combat | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
for the first time. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
I took off and climbed to 5,000 feet. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
I cruised around, admiring the blue sea and the great mountains. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
I'm just beginning to think to myself that this was a very nice way | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
to fight a war, when the static erupted. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
STATIC BUZZES | 0:21:35 | 0:21:36 | |
Bandits over shipping at Chalcis. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
I cleared the top of the mountain range with 500 feet to spare, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
and as I went over, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
I saw a solitary goat, brown and white, wandering on the bare rock. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
GOAT BLEATS | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
"Hello, goat," I said aloud, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
"I bet you don't know the Germans are going to have you for supper | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
"before you're much older." | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
To which, as I realised as soon as I'd said it, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
the goat might very well have answered, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
"And the same to you, my boy, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:16 | |
"you're no better off than I am!" | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
Suddenly, I spotted the bombers. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
They were Junkers, 88s. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
I counted six of them. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
All six rear gunners began shooting at me. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
Quickly, I turned the firing button from "safe" to "fire". | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
The odds for the British pilots in Greece at that time were terrible. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
There were about 15, they had about 15 planes when Dahl arrived, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
they had 14 before. | 0:22:58 | 0:22:59 | |
And there were over 1,000 German planes, you know, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
and so they were totally onto a loser. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
It's a very nice aeroplane to fly. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
It handles really well. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
They say it's a very good gun platform, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
but I wouldn't want to get shot at in one. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
I think he's a very brave man. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:25 | |
Only seven hours on type, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:28 | |
to then go into combat with it would be very scary. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
The Hurricane gave a shudder | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
as the eight Brownings in the wings all opened up together, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
and a second later, I saw a huge piece of his metal engine cowling, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
the size of a dinner tray, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
go flying up into the air. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
Dear Mama, thanks for your telegrams. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
We had great fun in Greece | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
although I must admit I was pleased to get away safely. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
I arrived at the house here looking like a tramp, with nothing but | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
my flying suit and a pair of khaki shorts. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
Incidentally, I got three German aircraft confirmed, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
and two unconfirmed. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
Lots of love to all, Roald. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
We know they... | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
They flew alone and they came back, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
or in many cases, didn't come back. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
So that was extraordinarily, um... | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
That was old-fashioned heroism, really, I think. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
The guilt that he was a survivor lay with him, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
and in his ideas book, you can still see the names of the pilots | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
who flew there, which he's obviously written down much later, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
and put an X against the ones who died. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
Timber Woods, Oofy Still. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
I mean, there were probably only two or three of the 30-odd pilots | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
in that squadron, around that time, who survived. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
Those years... | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
..must have been terrifying. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
And again, the losing of your friends, you know, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
you come back and they're dead. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
They've gone. They've been shot down. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
And, again, it comes back to his books, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
when you think of the children who lose their parents. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:32 | |
You know, and the lives that they have to cope with, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
after the loss of a father or mother, or a great friend. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:41 | |
And he learnt to cope with that. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
Did you like being a pilot when you were in the war? | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
Um, only the training part, really. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
It's not much fun to fly an aeroplane and be shot at | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
at the same time. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
So the answer, really, the honest answer, is no. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
In fact, you started to write | 0:26:11 | 0:26:12 | |
when you were assistant air attache in Washington. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
How, in fact, did it come about? | 0:26:16 | 0:26:17 | |
To be quite honest, I had no thought of writing at all, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
right up to the age of, what, 20...something. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
And I was wounded, a bit, in the war, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:29 | |
and sent to Washington. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
And it was early days and, erm... | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
I was sitting in my rather grand office in the British Embassy, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
wondering what to do, and there was a knock on the door, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
and I said, "Come in." | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
And a tiny little man came in, with thick glasses, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
and said, "Excuse me, are you busy?" | 0:26:52 | 0:26:53 | |
And I said, "Not in the least, no. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
"Do come in." And I thought he was going to ask for a job. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
And he said, "My name's Forester. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
"CS Forester." | 0:27:04 | 0:27:05 | |
I said, "Get on," you know, "You can't be that." | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
-One of my heroes. -Really? | 0:27:09 | 0:27:10 | |
A great...one of the great writers at that time, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
Captain Hornblower and everything else. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
The only pleasure I seem to get from life these days | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
is when you come home from one of your confounded adventures. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
He said, "Now, you've been in the war. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
"America's only just coming in. You've been in action. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
"I'll take you out to dinner..." Lunch, it was. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
"..tell me your most exciting exploit, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
"and I'll write it up in the Saturday Evening Post | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
"and we'll get the British a bit of publicity." | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
Roald would be there, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
looking very young and handsome at the time. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
Of course, in uniform. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
So we went out to lunch and... | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
I remember we had roast duck. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
And he was trying to take notes and eat this bloody duck | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
at the same time, you know, and he couldn't do it. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
And I said, "Well, why don't I scribble it down for you | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
"this evening in sort of a rough way, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
"and then you can put it right when I send it to you?" | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
And he said, "Ooh, that would be super." | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
"Would you do that?" And I said, "Of course I will." | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
So we finished our duck, and I went home that evening | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
and I wrote the thing out and sent it to him. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
And I got a letter back, about a week later, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
saying, "I asked for notes, not a finished story. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
"I didn't touch it." | 0:28:31 | 0:28:32 | |
The Saturday Evening Post had bought it at once for 1,000, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
the agent takes 10%. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:36 | |
-Here's my cheque for 900 bucks, you see. -Amazing stuff. Superb. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
I thought, my God, it can't be as easy as all that! | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
If they hadn't had such a good lunch, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
and had so much in common to talk about... | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
Who knows? He might never have been a writer. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
I don't know. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:53 | |
But that was definitely a turning point. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
Down once more, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:00 | |
squirting lorries all along | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
and watching the bullets making little flashes | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
where they hit the metal, and throwing up little spurts of sand | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
where they missed. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
Time to be going now, up and home. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
Hell's bells! What was that? | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
It felt like she was hit somewhere. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
Flying high, high above the Earth, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
gave him the feeling that he could write. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
It gave him something to write about, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
and that whole world of pilots, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
the sky, the air... | 0:29:37 | 0:29:38 | |
The sort of sense of magic and escape, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
and almost entering a different world, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
like, a world of his imagination, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
would all figure very strongly in those first stories he wrote. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
I was met by Walt's number-one artist, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
and taken to the Beverly Hills Hotel. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
And after a bath and a shave | 0:30:08 | 0:30:09 | |
was driven up to the studio and ushered up to Walt's room. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
The room itself is very magnificent, with sofa, armchairs | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
and a grand piano. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
Almost the first story that he wrote | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
after Shot Down Over Libya was called Gremlin Law. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
And this was a story about these little creatures, the gremlins, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
they were what the pilots and the engineers blamed | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
for unexplained mechanical failures. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
Walt wanted to make a film of The Gremlins. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
I think, suddenly being next to Walt Disney in a studio SO famous... | 0:30:42 | 0:30:49 | |
Ah! I mean... Fantastic. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
Just fantastic. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:55 | |
He would give me all his best artists to work with, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
and anything else I wanted. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
"Oh, and by the way, I've put a car at your disposal | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
"for the whole time you're here." | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
I said, "Thank you very much," | 0:31:09 | 0:31:10 | |
and followed him down to an enormous room where half a dozen | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
of his best artists were waiting with pencils poised | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
to be told what a gremlin looked like. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
Let me see. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
What do I think they look like? | 0:31:24 | 0:31:25 | |
I always like people who have... | 0:31:27 | 0:31:28 | |
..little horns... | 0:31:30 | 0:31:31 | |
'Terrifying odds, terrifying situations, and you had to be... | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
'..cool about it, you know.' | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
What happened if somebody was killed? They "bought it", | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
I think was the expression at the time. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
Really, gremlins were a piece of fiction, if you like, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
they were a piece of mythology that could move that off, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
so you could talk about it but not have to talk about it with quite | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
the drama or seriousness that it would actually have, I think. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:04 | |
ENGINE ROARS | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
Every pilot knows what a gremlin is, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
and every one of them talks about gremlins every day. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
These little tykes with horns and a long tail, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
who walk about on the wings of our aircraft, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
boring holes in the fuselage. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
SHRILL DRILLING | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
TINKING | 0:32:31 | 0:32:32 | |
And urinating in your fuse box. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
Well, the film got quite a long way into production, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
but the urgency to make the film fell away, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
from Disney's point of view, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:41 | |
and, in fact, it never got finished. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
Disney published a book based on the drawings and illustrations that had | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
inspired the animators, with Roald's original story. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
And so, with the help of the gremlins, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
a pilot was able to return to his flying. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
But he was only one of many hundreds who have come to know and understand | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
the truth about these little people, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
who have learned to love them, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
to fear them, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
and respect them. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
He is, indeed, an unhappy man | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
who goes up into the sky to fight saying, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
"I do not believe in gremlins." | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
MUSIC: James Bond Theme | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
My first little book I wrote was called The Gremlins, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
which was bought by Walt Disney. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
And Eleanor Roosevelt read it to her grandchildren, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:52 | |
and loved this book. And so I got invited to the White House. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
And we got to know each other a bit, you know, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
and I would go for weekends. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
FDR had...his country place was called Hyde Park, a vast place. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
And we used to go there. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
I got to know him. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
I was only a young chap of 26 in an RAF uniform, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
and I had no business around there, really. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
Didn't I read that you were a spy? | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
No, that's an ugly word. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
Spy! | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
No, I did. I worked for British...SIS, yes, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
the last half of the war, when I was injured and couldn't fly. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
Sure I did. Yeah. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
We were going to have a picnic lunch in the garden with Franklin. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
At one o'clock, an old Ford car came bouncing over the grass, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:53 | |
driving furiously, with two other cars, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
full of the toughest looking thugs I've ever seen, in hot pursuit. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
The President was driving the old Ford, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
which is especially built so that the throttle and the clutch, | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
and everything else, can be operated with his hands. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
In it was also Crown Princess Martha of Norway. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
The President was relaxing, and seemed to be enjoying himself. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
What he was doing was working in that very grey area | 0:35:22 | 0:35:27 | |
where British interests and American interests did not mesh, | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
and making sure that the British knew what was going on | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
behind the scenes in America. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
-ARCHIVE: -Winston Churchill has crossed and re-crossed the Atlantic | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
to confer on strategy and to plan future offence, not defence. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
When Roald discovered that the Americans | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
were planning to destroy British civil aviation after the war, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
that definitely got to Churchill, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:51 | |
who was... Roald was quite proud of the fact that Churchill was | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
incandescent with rage when he read it. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
My job was to try to help Winston Churchill to get on with FDR. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:05 | |
And tell Winston what was in the old boy's mind in America, you know. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:11 | |
I was really not spying against the Americans, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
I was trying to create amity. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
So we move in very high circles. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
So bloody high that sometimes it's difficult to see the ground. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
There was this tall, good-looking RAF English guy. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:41 | |
And the Americans, of course, love the English. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
So he had a ball. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
But, also, he was fascinated by the politics. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
He was definitely finding out information | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
for the British government. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
That was exciting. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:58 | |
So he was... | 0:37:00 | 0:37:01 | |
He was the perfect spy, I think. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
MUSIC: James Bond Theme | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
Roald met Ian Fleming when the two of them | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
were working in intelligence in New York | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
and thought he was good fun, he was naughty, he was dangerous, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:19 | |
he had a bit of edge to him. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
Roald had no idea that he would later go on to write | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
all the James Bond books. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
Then in London they saw each other from time to time, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
and it was no surprise, | 0:37:29 | 0:37:30 | |
when it came to writing a screenplay of You Only Live Twice, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
that the producers turned to Roald | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
rather than someone else to write it. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
MUSIC: You Only Live Twice theme | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
-ARCHIVE: -Did you have a certain number of things that you had to do? | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
For example, Bond normally goes through three women in a film, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
doesn't he? How many women does he go through? | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
I don't know what you mean by going through them. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
Well, he disposes of them, they get killed, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
they sacrifice themselves, you know? | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
-Yes. -Are you up to ration? | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
There's no question that you must stick to that sort of formula, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
I think. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:11 | |
I asked that when I went in, first. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
They said, "Oh, yes." | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
I said, "He wants a woman, doesn't he? | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
"To chase around and fall in love with," | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
and they said, "Well, three would be better." | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
MUSIC: You Only Live Twice theme | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
-Action! -I'm a spy. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
I know that. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
He had a pretty devastating effect on women. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
I remember speaking to one person and she just said he was | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
the most attractive man in Washington. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
He was 6'6" tall, he had these matinee idol looks, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
he was in uniform. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:04 | |
He was, you know, a serving officer. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
These famous actresses, these beautiful models, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
these wealthy, influential beauties, they wanted to sleep with him. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:17 | |
He was perfectly happy to do that. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
I remember a twinkle in his eye about Ginger Rogers. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
I drove out to have dinner with Ginger Rogers. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
Very nice girl. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:41 | |
But then it's also interesting that he gives it up. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
-FILM NARRATOR: -The kind of woman who could enslave any man. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
Except one. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:53 | |
Patricia Neal was a very celebrated stage actress at that point. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
She'd been in successful movies like The Fountainhead, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
and The Day The Earth Stood Still. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
They're the kind of things that are, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
you know, a bit weird, a bit offbeat. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
Gort. Klaatu...barada...nikto. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
The two of them fell into a very easy relationship. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
They decided to get married, I think, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:20 | |
because they felt they would make beautiful children. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
They were both, sort of, eager for marriage and it seemed a good bet. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
During this part of his life he started writing short stories, and | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
is now an acknowledged master of the craft. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
Collections of his stories like Kiss Kiss | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
and Someone Like You have become bestsellers all over the world. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
How do you arrive at these plots? | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
I mean, what gives you the idea for a short story? | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
-Obviously, the spark has got to come from something you see... -Yes. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
..somewhere, or something you hear. It's got to. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
She carried the meat into the kitchen, placed it in a pan, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
turned the oven on high and shoved it inside. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
Then she washed her hands, ran upstairs to the bedroom. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
She sat down before the mirror, tidied her hair, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
touched up her lips and face. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
She tried to smile. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
It came out rather peculiar. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:17 | |
It made very good television, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:24 | |
which lots of people got to know in the 1970s | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
as Roald Dahl's Tales Of The Unexpected. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
I ought to warn you, if you haven't read any of my stories, that you may | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
be a little disturbed by some of the things that happen in them. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
He'd spot a, sort of, psychological situation | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
and then insert a pretty convoluted plot, say, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
like a woman murders her husband with, you know, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:51 | |
with a frozen leg of lamb and then serves...then cooks the leg of lamb | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
and serves it to the police officers, for lunch, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
who are looking for the murder weapon. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
It's just a matter of looking. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
Find the weapon, find the man. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
Hello, hello, who's putting in for promotion, eh? | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
So many of them are... | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
..husbands treating their wives badly. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
I mean, I find that rather interesting, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
because he's so often accused of not liking women, you know, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
which was quite the reverse! | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
When I walked into his house for the first time, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
it was filled with women. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
He had daughters, stepdaughters, you know, a wife. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
He had sisters. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:33 | |
They were... It was this one man, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
almost like a lion surrounded by a pack of lionesses. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
He preferred the company of women to the company of men, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
funnily enough. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
And I think he got on with them better than he got on with men. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
Cos your own story itself is | 0:42:52 | 0:42:53 | |
stranger than fiction, isn't it? | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
I mean, it really is a remarkable story. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
I mean, one minute you're a successful writer, | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
you're married to a beautiful film star, Patricia Neal, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
and then a series of accidents, a chain of tragedies, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
that are absolutely extraordinary... | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
Let's talk about Theo, your boy. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
What were the sequence of events leading to that? | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
When he was a baby, his nurse pushed his pram into a taxi in New York, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:16 | |
and he got severe head injuries, which developed into hydrocephalus. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
It's too much cerebrospinal fluid in the ventricles, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
and you get pressure in there. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
Your brain suffers damage unless you are very swift and quick | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
to relieve the pressure, and then you have to... | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
This was 16 years ago, and they did have a shunt, | 0:43:32 | 0:43:37 | |
or a tube with a valve in it, | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
where you could take...drain the fluid out of the ventricle and down | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
and put it in the place you hoped it would be all right in. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
But they weren't very competent, the shunts they had in those days. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:53 | |
He had to keep going back and having new operations. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
He had five. Because the shunts kept blocking, and I said, "Well, I mean, | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
"bugger this, we must be able to make a better shunt than this." | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
And so I thought of a lovely man who | 0:44:02 | 0:44:08 | |
I knew was an inventor, who I'd been flying model aeroplanes with. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:13 | |
Stanley Wade, his name was, in Wickham. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
Well, who was Stanley Wade, then? | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
He was a very skilled engineer | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
who was very interested in model aircraft. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
And what I'd admired so much about him was that, instead of buying | 0:44:25 | 0:44:30 | |
these tiny model aeroplane engines, he made them all himself. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
He turned them in his workshop. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
I said, "How about you doing this?" | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
He's an eccentric fellow, with nothing much to do, and he said, | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
"Yes, all right." | 0:44:42 | 0:44:43 | |
So the actual thing he used in | 0:44:43 | 0:44:44 | |
a brain would be very much smaller? | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
Yes. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:47 | |
And the tolerances that he was working to were probably | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
plus or minus 1/1,000th of an inch. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
And if you don't have good tolerances like that | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
in something like a valve, | 0:44:55 | 0:44:56 | |
it's just not going to work. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:57 | |
We had the enormous advantage of the head of neurosurgery | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
at Great Ormond Street, | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
Kenneth Till, was a tremendous co-operator in this, you see. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
And he told me exactly what was wanted, and I told Stanley, | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
and Stanley slaved away over his thing and we... | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
He, you know, he really did it, not me. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
ENGINE HUMS | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
Who was going to think like that? | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
And what doctor would actually listen to him and think, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:32 | |
"Well, that's quite a good idea, let's have a go"? | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
You know... That, to me... | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
Well, he never gave up. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
He really believed that Theo could... | 0:45:41 | 0:45:46 | |
..have a normal childhood and become... | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
...a good person, | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
which, indeed, Theo is. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
It saves the lives of thousands of kids all over the world. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
He made sure it was never sold for profit. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
That's just the kind of way he looked at a difficult situation. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:10 | |
"Well, what, practically, can one do to think one's way out of it?" | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
Sadly, Theo's accident was just the beginning, you know, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
two years after that, his eldest daughter died | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
from meningitis following measles. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
Eventually he picked himself up, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
only to have, three years later, another disaster, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
which was that Pat suddenly struck down by the most terrible stroke, | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
while making a movie in LA. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
When she woke up from consciousness, she could neither speak nor, | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
of course, read or write or walk, | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
having a good deal of paralysis down the right side. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
I was out for two and a half weeks, I think. | 0:46:53 | 0:47:00 | |
And the first thing I remember is singing songs. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:06 | |
And I was in the hospital, I think, a month altogether. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:12 | |
And then Roald, my husband, took me out one night. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:21 | |
And then I started trying to get well. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:26 | |
But I'm not well. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
I must spend a year and hope to get well at that time. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
My mother was three months pregnant with me | 0:47:33 | 0:47:35 | |
when she had three massive strokes. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
She had just won | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
the Oscar for Best Actress | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
for Hud with Paul Newman, so she was at the top of her career. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
She could not walk, she couldn't talk, she couldn't read, | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
she couldn't write. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
He was determined that he was going to get his wife back. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
And so he flew everybody back to...the whole family back | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
to England, and he got everybody in the village in Great Missenden, | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
all his friends and volunteers, teaching her how to move her hands, | 0:48:01 | 0:48:07 | |
how to walk, and really, Mum and I learned | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
how to walk and talk together. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
And what about words, as well? She obviously had a vocabulary, | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
-a retained memory? -She didn't have any, no. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
When she started to pick up words, she made them up. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
She, she used to... | 0:48:23 | 0:48:24 | |
When she used to say, wanted to say... | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
I made a whole list of them once and I don't know where they are. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
She used to want to say, "You drive me crazy," | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
she used to say, "You jake my diagles." | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
Which is a splendid phrase, you know. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
I had all my words mixed up. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
I said words that didn't exist. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
She used to call a dry martini a red screwdriver. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:46 | |
Now I talk properly, I hope! | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
I think Dad thought, "Wow," you know, "There is, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
"there's a whole other vocabulary here that hasn't been explored, | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
"but I could have a little bit of fun with," which he did, | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
in the Big Friendly Giant. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
"I is not a very know-all giant, myself. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
"But it seems to me that you is an absolutely know-nothing human bean. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:08 | |
"Your brain's full of rotten wool." | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
"You mean cotton wool?" Sophie said. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
"What I mean and what I say | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
"is two different things," the BFG announced, rather grandly. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:23 | |
Please don't eat me! | 0:49:25 | 0:49:26 | |
You think because I'm a giant that I'm a man-gobbling canniable? | 0:49:26 | 0:49:32 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
Aar. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:35 | |
That's a good onion, isn't it? | 0:49:42 | 0:49:43 | |
I grew 100 of these this year. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:47 | |
We've just dug them up, and they're drying out now. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:53 | |
I wouldn't live anywhere else except in the country. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:58 | |
Here. I've never lived in the city. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
And, of course, if you live in the country, | 0:50:02 | 0:50:06 | |
your work is bound to be influenced by it. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:10 | |
I suppose the most... | 0:50:10 | 0:50:11 | |
The one that was most dependent, | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
purely on this countryside around here, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
is Danny, The Champion Of The World. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
Except for the swift fluttering of its wings, the hawk remained | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
absolutely motionless in the sky. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
It seemed to be suspended by some invisible thread, | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
like a toy bird hanging from the ceiling. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
Then, suddenly, it folded its wings | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
and plummeted towards the earth at an incredible speed. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
Oh, this was a sight that always thrilled me. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:53 | |
Dad knew every little nook and cranny of our village. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
He knew every rabbit hole. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
He knew every mole hole. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
He knew... He knew everything about it and he loved it. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
He had great admiration for all of it. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
My father learned about the countryside because he had | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
a great friend that he met in the '40s | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
when he first moved to our village in Great Missenden, | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
called Claude Taylor. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:18 | |
Claude taught me everything. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
His knowledge of the habits of wild animals, | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
be they rats or pheasants or hares, was very great. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:32 | |
And he was happiest when he was out in the woods, in the dead of night. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:38 | |
I think Claude gave him a lot of inspiration | 0:51:38 | 0:51:45 | |
for Danny, Champion Of The World, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:50 | |
Ah, Sweet Mystery Of Life, | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
Fantastic Mr Fox... | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
He liked the way they cheated, | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
the way they outdid the wealthy farmers... | 0:51:57 | 0:52:02 | |
..who probably treated them quite badly, and they had devious ways of | 0:52:04 | 0:52:11 | |
feeding their family. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
I think the idea of poaching pheasants by feeding them raisins | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
with mashed up sleeping pills inside them was undoubtedly Roald's idea. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
He did it with Claude Taylor, but it's a totally, totally Dahl idea. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:27 | |
BIRD SQUAWKS | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
This is ideal for pheasants. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
This is just where they like. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:33 | |
There's a nice bit of thick cover there for them to go into, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
out of sight of predators, and some nice open spaces for them. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
Is this Roald? Or Claude? | 0:52:42 | 0:52:43 | |
This is Roald. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
I can't remember what Claude looks like. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
-Do you know what he looks like? -I think he was more... He was butcher, | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
-I think he was quite a big man. -Yes. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
But it's lovely to draw these things in the dark. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
What is very nice and very atmospheric is to do that torchlight | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
in the middle of the darkness. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
Here's a little... | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
..little drugged pheasant. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
Not quite flying. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:10 | |
This is a typical tree that they'd roost in. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
And the poachers know that, probably better than we do. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
GULPING | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
They gobble the raisins, | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
then feel sleepy, | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
then go up to roost. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:29 | |
And then the little buggers sleep so hard that they fall off their bough, | 0:53:31 | 0:53:36 | |
and we catch 'em on the way down. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:37 | |
I look at it this way, if anyone poached me, | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
that's how I'd like it to be done. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:46 | |
He and Claude got up to these tricks in the early 1950s, | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
and then you see it, more than 20 years later, | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
it comes out in Danny, The Champion Of The World. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
One of the things he liked about the movie version of that was that | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
it caught the...the delight in simple pleasures of the countryside. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:09 | |
And it has a very cosy, simple, warm heart to it. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:13 | |
What do you think we should do with them, Danny? | 0:54:16 | 0:54:18 | |
Let them go. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:24 | |
Well said, lad. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:26 | |
I just have that feeling that in some ways, in the children's books, | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
or in some places in the children's books, he was able to express | 0:54:31 | 0:54:36 | |
feelings that he wouldn't have expressed coldly, as in... | 0:54:36 | 0:54:40 | |
just like that, I think. So you come to it innocently, | 0:54:40 | 0:54:44 | |
in a children's book and, in a way, | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
I think it gave him a bigger gamut of emotional feelings | 0:54:48 | 0:54:54 | |
than he might have done anyway. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:55 | |
Dear Mama, we are planning a gigantic fire balloon, | 0:55:03 | 0:55:08 | |
to be 18 feet high and 12 feet wide. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
It should lift at least one boy. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
Huge sheets of tissue paper cut into sections, | 0:55:20 | 0:55:25 | |
and then you glued them together, | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
you'd paste...with glue, and then at the end, | 0:55:27 | 0:55:34 | |
he had a little round tin with methylated spirit... | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
Cotton wool soaked in methylated spirit, and that was tied on, | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
you know, like a parachute. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
And then that was lit and it filled the tissue paper balloon. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:47 | |
We did it from our garden, and there are fields all around. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
And we would just watch in awe every single time. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
We would say, "Look at it! Look at it! | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
"Look at it go! Do you think it's going to go left? | 0:56:00 | 0:56:02 | |
"Do you think it's going to go right? Will it go backwards? | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
"Which way do you think it's going to go?" | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
And then the light would go further and further | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
and further away until it would fade away. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
Both a man, a father and a mother, | 0:56:13 | 0:56:17 | |
should be sparky with their children, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
and invent things and go places with them, you know, and... | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
Make bows and arrows or balloons, I don't know what. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
But you have to do things with your children. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
On looking back, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:37 | |
I think he knew his life was not going to be very much longer. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:44 | |
The Minpins, it was his swansong, I think. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
The thought of being able to get on the back of a bird and fly, what... | 0:56:48 | 0:56:55 | |
..what... Nothing more wonderful could a child wish for, than that. | 0:56:56 | 0:57:02 | |
There was a brightness like sunlight below them. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
And little Billy could see a vast lake of water, gloriously blue, | 0:57:07 | 0:57:14 | |
and on the surface of the lake, | 0:57:14 | 0:57:16 | |
thousands of swans were swimming slowly about. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
The pure white of the swans against the blue of the water | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
was very beautiful. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
It was...it was surprising to me, | 0:57:32 | 0:57:37 | |
when he wasn't there any longer. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
Because he seemed kind of battered, | 0:57:40 | 0:57:44 | |
but as though he would go on and on. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
So it was something of a shock when... | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
when he wasn't there any longer. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
But, at the same time, I think he's still there. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:55 | |
I mean, he's very present for everybody, really, I think. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
There's a wonderful quote at the end of The Minpins, | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
one of Dad's stories, and it says, | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
"If you don't believe in magic, you will never find it." | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
His spirit was so large and so big, um... | 0:58:14 | 0:58:18 | |
It might sound a bit mad, | 0:58:20 | 0:58:21 | |
but because he taught us to believe in magic, | 0:58:21 | 0:58:24 | |
I feel like, in some magical way, he's always with me. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:27 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:58:27 | 0:58:29 |