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It's almost like if you spend enough time with Hull and it trusts you | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
enough to open itself up to you, all of these gems start coming out. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
Hull has this really interesting history of community spirit and | 0:00:34 | 0:00:39 | |
community connection | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
and working with tools and working with materials and hand making. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:46 | |
Not everybody can use these sophisticated machines but everybody | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
can use their hands to make something. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
As with anything handmade, people are not just buying the product. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
It becomes an obsession, while you're working. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
It's a fever, sort of thing. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
There's only one way to do it and that's properly. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
I don't think we get a lot of help from anybody. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
They just get on with it in Hull. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:15 | |
For me, the most interesting thing about Hull and the most special part | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
about Hull are the people that make it. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
I am fascinated by people using tools and people who find their | 0:01:51 | 0:01:58 | |
sense of belonging through using their hands. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
And I wanted to look at different ways, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
different craft techniques or different materials can relate and | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
give a sense of place. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:10 | |
It's all about stories, isn't it? | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
That's what makes it important. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:17 | |
HUMMING | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
Any particular job, if you are engrossed in it... | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
..you can get lost in what you're doing. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:04 | |
And everything else doesn't matter. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
Because there's a lot of pressures in life, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
it can become a therapy. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:16 | |
-VOICEOVER: -The Mariner's compass is distracted by other magnetic bodies | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
and some corrective means have to be found. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
In front of the compass is the Flinders bar | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
which rectifies the magnetic pull of the ship's funnel. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
And around it is grouped a massive iron to counteract the pull from | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
other metallic parts of the ship. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
It's a scientific job for the compass adjuster. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
A final examination, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:46 | |
a little adjustment here and there and the compass is ready for a | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
practical test under working conditions. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
In our heyday, we used to make about 80 of these a year. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
Every time you come in the door, there's something different to do. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
So I might be a week on the lathe downstairs, turning the big castings. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
Then a week on the small lathe downstairs turning the small parts. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
And then after that, I'll be assembling for a week. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
And then I'll be finishing off and spraying. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
So it's a process that's from start to finish, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
so you're never going to get bored of it. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
The compass has a liquid in it | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
to stop the directional system from vibrating. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
If you didn't have it in spirit, it would be vibrating all over the place, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
picking up every movement of the ship. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
So I put it in the test rig and I'm able to view it from eyelevel, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
to see that it's completely balanced | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
and it's also central. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
And that it's pointing the right direction. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
When I left school... | 0:05:38 | 0:05:39 | |
..I sort of had a choice of about three or four jobs but this was the | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
only job where I could do an instrument from start to finish. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
That's the main thing because very few jobs where you get that | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
satisfaction. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:55 | |
I started in 1968 here. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
So that's... | 0:06:14 | 0:06:15 | |
68... 50... | 0:06:17 | 0:06:18 | |
I can't work it out. It's a long time. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
A very long time. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
It was a five-year apprenticeship then | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
and by the age of 21, you was expected to be able to make one, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
you know, from start to finish. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
To me, apprenticeships was a good thing because... | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
..if you was learning from a chap who had all the knowledge, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
you was obligated to that chap and you would respect him because you | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
wanted his knowledge. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:09 | |
So you learnt character from that chap... | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
..and that's how apprenticeships worked. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
So if you didn't do your job, you got a right... | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
Well, you got a right telling off in them days. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
And that's how you got respect for the job. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
Before they built that building, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
I used to be able to see the adjusters going up and down the river on the | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
boats. They used to give us a wave when they went down the Humber. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
And I could see them | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
and we used to wave to each other. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:12 | |
And you could see them as clear as day waving away. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
We used to say, it makes men out of boys, when they go to sea. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
You either get used to it and you adapt to it and you toughen up, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
or you don't go to sea any more. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:00 | |
You had to watch yourself what you was doing, you could soon get | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
knocked over the side. But in general, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
the major loss of life obviously was to the weather conditions, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
to the ships capsizing because they iced up and ran aground | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
and that kind of thing, you know. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
We went to the Arctic, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:08 | |
so you obviously were going to get bad weather conditions. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
And you got a lot of icing up | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
where the superstructure on the ship bridge, the masts and everything, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
used to collect ice due to the conditions. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
Difficult to clear it off, could become dangerous. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
You were fishing the Arctic so you weren't going to get | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
Caribbean weather, were you? | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
From starting as a young deckhand, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
the things you had to know was how to gut a fish, how to clean the fish. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
How to repair the net and fix the net together and the main thing was | 0:10:47 | 0:10:52 | |
actually hauling and shooting the gear because it was a dangerous | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
thing in lots of respects. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
And it was the most important thing, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
that you got the gear up and down as quickly as possible. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
You know, cos time meant money. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
When the trawl get snagged on the bottom, you can do considerable damage. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
You know, you might have a rip down the trawl that's about 20-25, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
30ft long and you've got to start repairing that. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
The whole purpose of this is to make sure that you repair the hole and | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
that every mesh has got four sides to it, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
as it should have. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
If you've done a lifetime at sea, on board of a trawler, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
you mend nets regularly, you repair nets regularly, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
so it just becomes second nature. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
It's automatic. Probably do it with my eyes closed, you know. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
Fishing, it brought prosperity to Hull. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
In particular West Hull. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:01 | |
West Hull was the hub of the fishing industry, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
and Hull Hessle Road. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
It was such a vibrant area, you know. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
There's a saying by a local author, it's a village within a city. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:17 | |
You know, this was the place where, you know, every fisherman... | 0:12:36 | 0:12:41 | |
I wouldn't say everyone was born and bred on this road but once you | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
entered the fishing community, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
this was where you gravitated to most of the time. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
We didn't think of ourselves as being heroic for going to sea. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
We didn't think about it or talk about it much. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
And I don't know anybody who did. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
No, no. But we lost many, many friends. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
-Yes. -I should imagine I lost maybe a third to half of the people that, you know, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:10 | |
I'd grown up with and first gone to sea with. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
If we could turn the clock back, we'd all probably do it again, you know. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:17 | |
Even knowing what we know now. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
We would probably do it again, wouldn't we? | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
Yeah, yeah. If you could get a Zimmer frame aboard the trawler! | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
People have always had fish in Hull. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
Part of their identity, right? | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
Filleting is a specialised job. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
You might not think it, but it is a specialised job. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
Once you've learnt a trade, it's just like riding a bike, isn't it? | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
It's no different to riding a bike. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
You learn them skills, you can always get work. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
And that's how it is, that's how life is. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
It took me round about three years. That was to get to do it properly | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
and cut every type | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
of fish that was available to cut. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
So it's not a quick process. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
But that's just the way I was brought up. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
The key thing about a knife is never to be frightened of it. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
You know, get a good grip on the handle. | 0:14:58 | 0:14:59 | |
Don't be frightened of the knife. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
If you're going to get a cut, you get a cut. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
I've had some really bad cuts in my time. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
I've took the full top of my thumb off once. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
You know. That's how it goes. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
But you know... | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
Get on with it, do you know what I mean? | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
Just get on with the job and that's it. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
Done. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
-What are you after darling? -Who, me? | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
-Yeah, what do you want? -Er, can I just have two boxes of batter, have you got any? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:32 | |
-Yeah, one here. How many do you want? One? -Two. -Two. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
-Nice morning. -Lovely. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
-Going anywhere good? -No. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
-Oh, well. -Not today. -Don't be mardy. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
People love shopping round this area. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
You get a personal touch, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
you get a conversation about the fish, if you want it. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
You can ask any question. | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
But we are struggling, competing with supermarkets. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
I mean, things move on in life, do you know what I mean? | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
But it is sad in a lot of ways. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:15 | |
And, you know, especially Hull now, just like... | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
It's a crying shame because, you know, it could be better. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
I first started when I was 15. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
That's all the work there was at that time. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
Either an apprenticeship or go down the docks. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
I chose to go down the docks. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:42 | |
That's where I ended up. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
It was hard work but I enjoyed it. It was good. It was good fun. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
And it was exciting, do you know what I mean? | 0:16:54 | 0:16:55 | |
You felt... You weren't stuck in a factory, you felt free. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
Actually. Do you know what I mean? | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
There was a great community spirit, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
especially if you were from this side of the town. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
You'll have heard people talk about Hessle Road and that was a big community. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
We've had the whaling industry, we've had the fishing, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
and I suppose it's bred a sort of tough type of person here. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:51 | |
The gentleman that used to do this job before me, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
I was so fascinated with what he did, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
I mistakenly asked if I could just try it when he was on a quiet period. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
And once he retired, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
"Julie, can you go do this?" | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
And I've been doing it ever since. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:18 | |
I always find when I'm talking to people, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
they might ask me, "Well, where do you work?" | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
And I tell them. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:36 | |
"I've seen that place." | 0:18:36 | 0:18:37 | |
"What do they do there?" | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
And people have thought... | 0:18:40 | 0:18:41 | |
At one time, somebody thought the place manufactured eggs because it's | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
got the lion - British Lion - eggs. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
No, no. We do heraldry. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
I'm actually carving a centrepiece for a large coat of arms that's | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
going to be on the side of a train. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
It's going to be actually cast in metal and we are just doing a | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
master mould, if you want, for the resin centrepiece. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:22 | |
I suppose I'm one of the old hands here now, you know, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
doing all this sort of thing. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
I suppose after 44 years, I should know it now. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
Although, you can learn something new all the time, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
like most jobs. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
It's rather a strange job it is, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
in the fact that I don't know anybody that does this sort of thing. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
And the difficulty is looking at the picture and realising which part is | 0:20:02 | 0:20:09 | |
going to be the most prominent and that's got to be the deepest part in | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
the plaster. So it's a little bit trial and error sometimes, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
especially with the eyes. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
I get them like that... | 0:20:42 | 0:20:43 | |
..and then I've got to put all the detail on. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
So I get them as a silhouette and I've got to put all the detail on... | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
..and I have to cover up all the mistakes. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:56 | |
And I'll ink it on because it gives it a finer detail. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
That's how it goes. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:13 | |
What was I doing? | 0:21:13 | 0:21:14 | |
Hull has its good points and its bad points. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
It's no different to anywhere else. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
Everywhere has its scruffy places, everywhere has its posh places. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
I don't think we get a lot of help from anybody. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
They just get on with it in Hull. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
You know. We just don't whinge. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:45 | |
We just get on with it. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
I personally think everybody's got some sort of artistic skill. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
I know you hear people say, "I can't do that." | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
But there's some artistic skill in everybody, whatever it is, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
even if it's a piece of abstract art or anything. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
I'd like to be a lot better than I am but I've still got the interest | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
to carry on learning and trying to find out new things. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
I've always worked next to the Humber. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
I was born here. I feel its moods, as well. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
It's a moody river. It's the most beautiful river in the world for me. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
It's a big sky and it's never the same. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
Ever the same. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
I'm often called a sculptor and I'm not. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
I'm called an artist, I'm not. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
I do what I do. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:31 | |
In the old days, there were the shipyards, where there were always ship's carvers. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
Great furniture workshops. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:45 | |
They're all gone. They're not fashionable now. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
You see there are not facilities for carvers, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
it's just a decorative thing nowadays, mostly. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
The first thing anybody ever says is, "Oh, how long does it take you?" | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
And the answer is I don't know. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
And the other thing they ask me, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
"What happens if you knock a bit off and you shouldn't?" | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
I've got it all planned in me head. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
In order to make a real mistake, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
I've got to give it 20 or 30 blows in order to make that mistake, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
haven't I? | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
So... | 0:24:28 | 0:24:29 | |
And now the finger is starting to go under, very nicely now. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
When I'm doing the detail and I'm doing the under carving and the bits | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
that I like to show off with and people think, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
"How the devil has he got in there?" | 0:24:56 | 0:24:57 | |
I've made a tool to do it and just for a few cuts. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
And I have a lot of tools. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
I recognise them all, I know where they all are, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
and I recognise them. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:06 | |
I don't know how. But by the handles and whatnot. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
I love my tools and I do take great care of them. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
I have to. And they are an extension of me. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
This particular piece is part of a 600-year tribute to the | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
Agincourt archers. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
I had the privilege to shoot on my birthday at Agincourt for the 600th | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
anniversary. So I am an archer and that was the inspiration. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:41 | |
I do like to see beautiful things and I like to express myself in wood | 0:26:18 | 0:26:24 | |
but I don't think that I'm an artist, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
from most of the artists I've met I'm completely different. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
When I'm working, I work to the radio. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
I work to music or I work to Radio 4, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
unless there's some daft plays on that drive me mad. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
But I can't work in complete silence. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
Sometimes I go back to the work and I remember the piece of music. | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
So there must be something instilled in the wood. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
Plus the other thing is it helps with the thinking process | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
As I'm working, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
I'm working it out because it's not always obvious where I'm going to go | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
with it. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:13 | |
It sort of reveals itself. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
Rather like a crossword puzzle. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
You get a clue here and a clue there and eventually it all gradually comes together. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
It becomes an obsession while you're working. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
It's a fever sort of thing. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
But I quite enjoy it really. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
It's not a bad thing. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:47 | |
I guess it all started with my dad because my dad restored an 1884 Hull | 0:28:13 | 0:28:18 | |
sailing trawler. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
And I guess my dad, with having wooden boats, maybe angled me | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
towards Lowestoft College | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
so he had a son that good fix his boats. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:26 | |
The actual building process is pretty... | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
You know, it's one foot after another because that's the traditional way, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
you know. But then there's a final approach where you just say, "That's | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
right," you know. And it's an eye thing and so that's where I think the | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
artistry comes in. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:49 | |
It's nice that people are interested in it. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
The fact there is still people wanting to spend money on vessels like this, really. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
You know, I'm lucky in that respect. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
And everyone here who works here actually likes what they do. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
Projects like this, it's got to pulse with the owner's wallet, really. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
And you know, we're into this just over two years now. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
So yeah, this one is | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
probably going to span five years, actually, in the end. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
It's the first time we've copper-bottomed such a big vessel. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
And they chose to do it, A, because it was originally coppered, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
and B, because it's the best anti-fouling you can have. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
There's what, 29,000 copper nails in that. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
12,500 pounds worth of copper. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
Expensive to do, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:15 | |
but in the long term, it will probably last about 30 years. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
The fact that it's actually a machine that you're making and it is going | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
to go to sea and people's lives depend on it then, means that there's only | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
one way to do it and that's properly. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
MUSIC: Coming Home by Leon Bridges | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
It's a hard thing to do is to keep that, you know, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
positive attitude about what you're doing, because it is a big project. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
They are all big projects, you know. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
But you get big satisfaction out of bringing something to completion, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
for sure. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:47 | |
I think if somebody said you had to either make boats or go sailing and | 0:32:01 | 0:32:06 | |
you couldn't do both and what would you do? | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
I think I would make boats, you know. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
Flowerpots are quite different to sort of studio pottery. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:07 | |
Most flowerpot makers are able to easily turn out half a tonne of clay a day. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
Half a tonne of pots. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:12 | |
If they had to, they'd be able to do a tonne of clay in an eight-hour, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
nine-hour day. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:16 | |
People would look at this and go, "It's a very creative job", but it isn't, really. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
I'm an artisan. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:44 | |
There's no art in what I do, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:47 | |
it's just craftsmanship. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
It's just, you know... | 0:33:49 | 0:33:50 | |
I'm making things that other people want. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
Although, yeah, you do take care and you've got pride in your work... | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
It's a flowerpot at the end of the day. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
You'd make around about 500 of these in a day. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
Something like that. Depends on the size of the pot you're making. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
So, these are a very quick and simple pot. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
Got to try and do it in so many moves. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
Sometimes it's quite a difficult pot to talk to because you | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
lose slight concentration and you lose the pot. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
There's pots that are suited to our clay. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
This is quite a rough and ready... | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
Our clay is a wild clay. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
We use it as dug. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
So this is pretty much straight from the ground. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
The main tool we use is the rib, which... | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
The name is derived from the fact we would have used animal ribs, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
originally. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:40 | |
The ones that I use in particular are titanium | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
and they were made unofficially in the Jaguar factory many years ago by | 0:35:44 | 0:35:50 | |
an apprentice's father-in-law, who was a panel beater there. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
So I've got some quite special ribs. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
Normally we'd use | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
the end of a stainless steel spade, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
and cut that. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
As you come across the bridge, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
you'll see a myriad of ponds all over the place. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:22 | |
So there was at one point up to 18 yards. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
And most of the yards were on the banks. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
So coal would come in for firing the kilns | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
and tiles would be taken away, all by boat. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
MUSIC: River by Leon Bridges | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
Those machines are what we call stupids. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
So, originally they would have had where you saw the small... the crank handle, where the | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
electric motor is now. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:38 | |
The guy would have cranked that round. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
So that probably | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
would have had to be quite stupid | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
to do that. So hence the name stupids. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
So if you go to any tile works, what machines do they use? | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
Do they use an extruder, wod box or a stupid? | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
And everybody will know what it is. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
There is still a call for this type of tile, so we'll get a small premium | 0:38:28 | 0:38:34 | |
because it is a handmade product. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
As with anything handmade, people are not just buying the product, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
not just buying that, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
they are buying also a little bit of their experience of having been here, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
met you, talked to you, seen the clay that you use, how you use it, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:58 | |
what you make it in, and what you make. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
If yards like this cease to exist, you'd be losing a lot of skills, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:10 | |
skills to actually manipulate clay, to move clay. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
There's not many people with my sort of levels of skills left. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
You know, we're all getting old and there's no-one really | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
coming up behind us. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
It will be a real shame if that's lost, if that's gone. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
My work generally consists of making tools | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
and doing an artwork that is based around traditional heritage craft | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
or a traditional material from the location where I am. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
Tools are the best way, for me, to make objects that talk about caring | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
for a public space. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
So I'm interested in this rallying cry of looking after things and working | 0:40:42 | 0:40:47 | |
with your hands and finding a sense | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
of yourself and finding a sense of yourself, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
and finding a sense of place through working with your hands. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
Making tools and showing them in an exhibition... | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
..can be problematic, because you're making an art object, almost a | 0:41:01 | 0:41:06 | |
fetish object of something that's practical, | 0:41:06 | 0:41:11 | |
so there's a balance there, there's a line to walk really. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
But my fond memories of Hull are the | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
people that I've met and the chats with people I've had so what I wanted to do | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
is to make a tool for each of the people that I've met and to make | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
something that's actually useful for them, so it's not an art object, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
so to speak. It is something that actually they want | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
and it's useful for them. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
For Julie, it's a bit of a hybrid | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
between carving tools and ceramic tools | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
and you know she's kind of borrowing from lots and lots of different | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
disciplines, which is quite interesting because she's got that freedom and | 0:41:55 | 0:42:00 | |
that kind of spirit to just grab what she needs from | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
lots of different places. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
So I want to work with that and make some tools for her that fit | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
the bill perfectly. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
I'm making Brian a | 0:42:16 | 0:42:17 | |
set of vessels which he will use to pour the liquid that he uses to fill | 0:42:17 | 0:42:24 | |
the compasses. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:25 | |
Brian is a man who knows what he wants and can probably make it | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
himself in lots of instances. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
So it needs to work really well for him so actually all of that kind of | 0:42:32 | 0:42:37 | |
design element is quite important because you can't have something that | 0:42:37 | 0:42:42 | |
looks beautiful that basically doesn't do the job properly. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
And then Gabriel has some tools that he really likes, which are called ribs | 0:42:48 | 0:42:55 | |
and he has a set of them that are titanium. | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
But he's missing some of the shapes that he now wants with the different | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
things that he's making. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:04 | |
You can look at something and you can unpick it, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
you can understand what it could have been for. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
You know, even if you've never seen it before, | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
you can imagine what's been made with that or what you could make with that. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
And so they're really special objects. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
People feel quite emboldened to just interact with things in Hull. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:40 | |
So, there's this incredible spirit of no-nonsense, | 0:43:40 | 0:43:45 | |
for sure, no-nonsense, | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
and resourcefulness and just a practical nature. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:53 | |
Having that sense of power and sense of strength to be able to use your | 0:43:56 | 0:44:02 | |
hands to make things if you want to, means that you can connect with an | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
environment in a different way. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
And you are more of an active participant in the world, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
rather than a consumer. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
Hull is this really, really knotty ball and it actually takes a little | 0:44:17 | 0:44:22 | |
while to get through that first layer and as soon as you do, you know, | 0:44:22 | 0:44:27 | |
it rewards you. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 |