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It's 100 years since the word "surreal" was first used. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
And now, you hear it everywhere. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
What a riot of surreal slapstick! | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
Last night in Cleveland was surreal! | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
I'm just shaking and it's just surreal. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
A woman from Brighton who was mistaken for Ivanka Trump on Twitter | 0:00:16 | 0:00:21 | |
by none other than the US President-elect himself | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
says it's all rather surreal. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
For many people, surreal just means bizarre. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
If you think of Surrealist art at all, you'll maybe think of those | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
lonely landscapes littered with melting clocks, | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
floating businessmen in bowler hats, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
a woman who looks like a violin, a lobster where a telephone should be! | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
But Surrealism didn't start out like that. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
I'm a psychotherapist. I'm no stranger to the world of dreams. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
In this film, I'm going to take you back to the beginnings | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
of the Surrealist movement and trace how their interest | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
in the unconscious mind sparked an explosion of revolutionary ideas | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
that transformed art and cinema and the world around us. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
Surrealism was never just a visual style. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
It was a state of mind and a way of life. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
I'll meet some contemporary artists | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
who can still channel their inner Surrealist, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
and see how the experimental ideas of a group of young artists | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
reaching for the absurd in response to a world in crisis | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
would create some of the most recognisable | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
and popular art of the 20th century. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
And I'll delve into the original Surrealist writings | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
for inspiration and have a go for myself... | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
Can you tell me your dreams that you dream when you're asleep? | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
..to find out what being a Surrealist is really about. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
You know, I might put some clothes on. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
In 1920s Paris, there were lots of artists and writers and thinkers, | 0:01:54 | 0:02:00 | |
and they were, on the whole, pretty disillusioned with society. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
The society that had produced World War I. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
Put aside for a moment the moustachioed showman Dali | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
and the bowler-hatted illusionist Monsieur Magritte. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
At the beginning, the hero of the story was not a painter, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
but a poet, Andre Breton. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
Breton was a member of the absurdist art movement Dada. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
But he left, like everyone else, as the group imploded. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
In his 1922 poem Lachez Tout, he wrote, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:36 | |
"Drop everything. Drop Dada | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
"Drop your wife. Drop your mistress | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
"Drop your hopes and fears | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
"Park your children in the woods | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
"Drop the substance for the shadow | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
"Drop your comfortable life | 0:02:47 | 0:02:48 | |
"What you have been given for the future, and set off on the roads." | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
I know it sounds a bit bleak, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
but Breton had his reasons for wanting to rearrange world order. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
Breton had been a medical student during the First World War. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
He worked at a psychiatric hospital in France | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
with men suffering from shellshock. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
He saw people whose minds had responded to the trauma of war | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
in unexpected ways. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
Breton took a special interest in their dreams | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
and kept records of them. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
He wrote, "I believe in the future resolution of these two states - | 0:03:23 | 0:03:28 | |
"dream and reality, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
"which are seemingly so contradictory, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
"into a kind of absolute reality. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
"A sur-reality." | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
He set out his ideas in a sort of handbook, the Surrealist Manifesto. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
He defined Surrealism as, "Psychic automatism in its pure state, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:50 | |
"by which one proposes to express verbally, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
"by means of the written word, or in any other manner, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
"the actual functioning of thought. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
"Dictated by thought, in the absence of any control exercised by reason, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:07 | |
"exempt from any aesthetic or moral concern. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
"The following have performed acts of absolute Surrealism..." | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
And he goes on to mention his mates, who are Messrs... | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
Isn't it funny, he talks about doing away with order and things | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
and he's putting this lot in alphabetical order! | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
Now, you'll notice there's some | 0:04:41 | 0:04:42 | |
very famous names of Surrealism not there. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
That's because they hadn't joined yet. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
In fact, that list is a list of poets. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
At the beginning of Surrealism, | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
the group contained very few artists. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
But it wouldn't stay that way for long. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
So, how do you be a Surrealist? | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
Well, you can try this at home, everyone. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
"After you have settled yourself in a place as favourable as possible | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
"to the concentration of your mind upon itself, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
"have writing materials brought to you." | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
Because we've all got servants, haven't we(?) | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
"Put yourself in as passive or receptive | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
"a state of mind as you can. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
"Write quickly, without any preconceived subject, fast enough | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
"so that you will not remember what you're writing, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
"and don't be tempted to reread what you've written." | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
You can see that it was a simple step from automatic writing | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
to automatic drawing. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
Breton's idea was to produce work that was not controlled by reason. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
He had said that it should be totally free from aesthetic concerns | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
and it wasn't important to him what it looked like. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
As long as it channelled the unconscious, it would be of value. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
In this 1925 drawing by Andre Masson, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
you can see he's added little details onto the freeform doodle. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:07 | |
People have tried to interpret these drawings. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
They've said that, "Oh, it's because he was | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
"a soldier in the First World War | 0:06:11 | 0:06:12 | |
"and these are all the dismembered parts". | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
Or other people say, "Look at the fluidity of it | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
"and all the bits of bodies. It's obviously to do about sex." | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
Whatever you read into it, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
it will tell you more about you than it will about Masson. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
When I look at it, the first thing I see is this shape here, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
which, to me, looks like a pair of hairy testicles. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
Masson moved beyond drawing and started to experiment | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
with other materials, including paint and sand. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
Masson had a studio next to Joan Miro. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
HIS experiments with Surrealism took on a different form. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
He developed his automatic drawings into paintings | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
full of strange symbolism and biomorphic shapes, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
creating dream-like images that were the beginnings | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
of what we might recognise today as Surrealist art. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
This is the thing about Breton's rules. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
He was trying to encourage people to tap into their unconscious mind | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
and to follow whatever they might find there. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
So anyone who truly followed his rules would also have to break them. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
Our understand of our unconscious mind is grounded in the work | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
of the Austrian neurologist Sigmund Freud, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
the founding father of psychoanalysis. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
Freud described dreams as "the royal road to the unconscious". | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
I can't believe I've been allowed to come and sit in Freud's chair, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
in Freud's office and look at Freud's couch. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
I'm not actually allowed to lie on the couch because that is | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
just too sacred, but to sit here, for me, a psychotherapist, is... | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
Well, it's quite intimidating. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
You'd think, wouldn't you, because the Surrealists | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
were so keen on the unconscious | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
and Freud was so keen on the unconscious, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
that they were a sort of match made in heaven, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
but Freud just wanted to use the unconscious to cure madness, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
rather than to explore madness. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Freud always wanted to come to conclusions. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
He wanted to come to interpretations, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
whereas the Surrealists were more about opening things out | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
and playing with what you opened out. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
Our gang of young Surrealists, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
intrepid explorers of the mind's creative possibilities, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
did conduct their own experiments, but of a different kind to Dr Freud. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:34 | |
This apartment block on the Rue de Grenelle on the Left Bank in Paris | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
was the site of their first office, the Bureau of Surrealist Research, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
opened on 11th October 1924. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
And it was here that Breton and his friends | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
were open for business every day, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
Monday to Saturday, 4.30-6.30, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
in order to take confessions from members of the public, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
in order to release their unconscious minds | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
and free them from the mores of society | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
and the conventions of the bourgeois. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
Fellow poet Louis Aragon wrote, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
"At 15 Rue de Grenelle, we've opened romantic lodgings | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
"for unclassifiable ideas and revolutions in progress". | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
They made brightly-coloured flyers known as "papillon", | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
that they distributed on the streets of Paris with slogans like, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
"If you love love, you'll love Surrealism", | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
and, "Parents! Tell your children your dreams!" | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
They held Surrealist seances and invited people to come in | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
and share stories of dreams and coincidences. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
I rather like this idea, so I'm going to set up my own | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
pop-up Bureau of Surrealist Research in a nearby street. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
That's the thing about relying on random chance, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
sometimes nobody turns up. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
Could you tell me the last dream you had? | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
I can't, because I can't remember it. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
-That's odd. -I slept very well last night. -Yeah. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
But I actually can't remember my last dream. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
Can you tell me "vos reves", | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
your dreams that you dream when you're asleep? | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
And what I'd really like to know is about your inner reality. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
What's...the images that are coming to the fore for you? | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
A car. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
Fabulous! | 0:10:55 | 0:10:56 | |
A dream where I would fly. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
I would just open my arms, I would sort of glide all over the city, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
all over wherever I was in the country. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
And it was an absolutely wonderful feeling. I used to love it. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
Once, I was driving a car and behind me, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
there was a dead guy and I didn't know if I'd been doing that or not. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
It wasn't the fact that it was, like, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
people were dying or something, it was just... It was, like, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
severely eerie and it was just very, very silent. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
'In his description of the original Bureau of Surrealist Research,' | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
Louis Aragon said, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
"We've suspended a woman from the ceiling of an empty room | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
"and worried men come there every day, bearers of weighty secrets. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
"We're working on a task that's enigmatic, even for us." | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
I did have a recurring dream in childhood, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
which was about a train travelling very fast through a desert. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
Perhaps also a sense of something going to go wrong, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
some imminent catastrophe and then it never happens, I wake up. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
OK. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
I would like you to draw a picture of your dream. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
And as you draw your dream, can you tell me about it? | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
Yeah. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
HE SPEAKS FRENCH | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
So it's scary outside, but it's not so scary when you get inside? | 0:12:18 | 0:12:23 | |
-No. -OK. -No. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
'The Surrealist experiment was about trying to discover | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
'the unconscious mind in an inclusive way, without boundaries, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
'without judgment, for whoever was brave enough | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
'to set foot through the door.' | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
How does it feel to drive the car? | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
Er...dangerous, because I don't drive. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
I dream of people I literally have not been thinking about | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
for 50 years. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
And they were absolutely, er...the same as ever, you know? | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
As though, er...many, many years hadn't passed. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
It's a premonition of a soon-to-come death? I don't know. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:07 | |
It's really weird. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:08 | |
Oh, my God! It's all pulsating now, the whole thing. Look at that. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:19 | |
They were onto something, these Surrealists, I think. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
The last dream was I had a... We have a Danish guy that makes | 0:13:24 | 0:13:30 | |
a lot of television programmes. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
Then he said in the newspapers he will die. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
-The sickness is called... with the lungs. -Uh-huh. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
And I also have a problem with my lungs, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
so I was crying when I saw this newspaper. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
-So I have, like, a nightmare about this one. -Yeah. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
-Is that the man? -Yeah. And his ship here. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
I think you can feel your sadness | 0:13:59 | 0:14:00 | |
for you through your sadness for him. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
Each one of these pieces of paper represents a person | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
that's come in here today and told me what they dreamt of in the night. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
And what can be more personal than that? | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
And I'm feeling quite sort of flooded with it all. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
This is, er... This has been, er... | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
it's been a bit more than I expected, actually. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
It's not a game. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
It feels...like we ARE going somewhere real | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
when we ask people to tell us their dreams. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
And I feel like I've been trusted with sort of people's | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
sort of raw and precious insides, actually. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
The Surrealist experiments with dreams | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
are not the same as psychotherapy. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
They're not supposed to be therapeutic, for a start. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
But crucially, they're not private. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
For the Surrealists, dreams were a rich source material. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
They'd publish the accounts they'd gathered alongside | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
other Surrealist experiments in a magazine - | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
La Revolution Surrealiste. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
But it wasn't some brightly-coloured book of Surrealist art, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
it was a sober and highly-intellectual effort | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
modelled on the scientific journals of the day. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
Art historian and curator Dawn Ades | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
is a leading voice in the study of Surrealism. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
She has reproductions of all the original magazines | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
and is going to help me make sense of | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
the early Surrealist experimental work. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
There's a comment here, just underneath the inner title page, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
saying that the first number of La Revolution Surrealiste | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
doesn't offer any definitive revelation. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
It... It presents the results of automatic writing, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
the narration of dreams, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
but they're not actually claiming to draw any conclusions from it yet. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
They are, really, experimenting. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
And in a way, they kind of carry on | 0:16:02 | 0:16:03 | |
in the same line right the way through this | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
wonderful journal which has all kinds of exciting discoveries, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
but never laying down the law. Never saying, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
"Well, this is what you have to do and this is how you have to do it". | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
'That first issue has really striking examples of drawings | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
'and photographs, but no trace yet of those uncanny dreamscapes | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
'that one thinks of as Surrealist art.' | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
The illustrations in the magazine are very interesting. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
They're there in their own right, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
they're not just illustrating something else. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
They had terrific debates about what visual Surrealism might be. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
One of them said there can never be | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
any such thing as Surrealist painting. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
Why was that? | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
It's one of the ironies of Surrealism that now it's much | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
better known for the artists, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
but the artists were only in a footnote in the first manifesto. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
But for the artists, it was really important | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
to belong to a movement that was not just concerned with the formal, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:58 | |
with the visual, with abstraction, for example. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
Um... But each of the Surrealist artists responded to | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
the kind of ideas - to automatism, for example - in different ways. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
And so there is no such thing as a Surrealist style. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
Surrealism was never just a visual style. Surrealism was a way of life. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
It was, you know, a state of mind and a way of life. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
One of the artists most dedicated to the Surrealist life was Max Ernst. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
His spontaneous response to the ideas of Surrealism | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
might be mistaken for some pretty basic art techniques. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
But then, that was the point. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
Max Ernst said he found it really difficult to make a mark | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
on a virgin piece of paper. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
He said he had a virgin phobia. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
One afternoon, in a seaside inn on a rainy day in 1925, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:50 | |
he noticed the whirls in the floorboards of this inn. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:56 | |
And he just took up a piece of paper and rubbed his pencil over it. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:03 | |
And the image jumped out on the paper | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
and suggested all sorts of things to him. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
And he thought this was a great way | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
of using the philosophy of Surrealism, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
of working with what comes to you, and a way in. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
And he said it got him over his fear of virgin pieces of paper. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:24 | |
'The art critic Adrian Searle has agreed to help me | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
'try this technique, known as frottage. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
'Now, the word "frottage" also has a sexual meaning, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
'and if you really want your internet search history | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
'to look colourful, you can look that up, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
'but Adrian and I are talking about art.' | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
Were the Surrealists the first to try and discover | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
their unconscious through art? | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
It's not at all new. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
Nothing... Nothing is new, really. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
Leonardo da Vinci suggested that you stare at stains on the wall, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:59 | |
or cracks in the pavement and use that as sort of a beginning | 0:18:59 | 0:19:05 | |
of a way of inventing a landscape or a... Or some kind of forms. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:12 | |
Nothing comes from nothing, you know? | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
No, I don't think the Surrealists were the first at all. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Obviously, they were people of their time | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
and what was current, they could talk about the unconscious | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
perhaps in ways that would have been unfamiliar | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
to someone 100 or 200 years ago. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
But it was always happening whether or not people...dressed it up... | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
-Gave it a name, or... -Or dressed it up, like they dressed it up. -Yeah. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
I think the surreal has always been with us, hasn't it? | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
-People use the word very casually now. -Yeah, they do. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
And anything that's a little bit wacky is somehow surreal. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
But, of course, there was rather more to it than that. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
It wasn't just about unlocking the subconscious | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
and seeing the world in novel and peculiar ways. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
It wasn't just about the irrational. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
But they saw it as a sort of revolutionary, um... | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
way of not just looking at the world, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
but unpacking how banal it was, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
how, er...ludicrous and repressive society was. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
They saw it as actually having an even more, um... | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
It was like a bomb for them. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
They're very Ernst-like, these creatures. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
I think I might have been spending too much time with Ernst lately. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
Ernst had been drafted into the German army | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
in the First World War. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:28 | |
He'd been a founding member of the Dada movement in Cologne. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
For Max Ernst, it wasn't just about rubbing leaves under a page. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
Making art in this way was a revolutionary act. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
When you are born into a period where so many... | 0:20:40 | 0:20:46 | |
events invite you to get revolted | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
over what is going on in the world | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
and be disgusted with it and so on, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
it is absolutely natural that the work you produce is revolutionary. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:02 | |
The painting is the mirror of, er...time. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:09 | |
It must be mad | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
to have the true image of what time is. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
Those subversive undertones are also there in the work | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
of the Belgian artist Rene Magritte. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
It's easy to forget now that these readily-reproduced, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
easy-on-the-eye images contain their own brand of revolution. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
His paintings showed everyday things that we can all understand | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
and, at the same time, we know to be impossible. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
He said, "The mind loves the unknown. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
"It loves images whose meaning is unknown, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
"since the meaning of the mind itself is unknown." | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
In this 1965 BBC documentary, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
Magritte seems to enjoy playing the part of | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
the bowler-hatted businessman he so often painted, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
but the presenter has rumbled his disguise. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
He's a secret agent. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
His object - to discredit bourgeois reality. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
Like all saboteurs, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:08 | |
he avoids detection by dressing and behaving just like everybody else. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
His keen eye for the absurd was drawn to the relationship | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
between objects, words and images. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
His most famous painting of all, The Treachery of Images, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
shows a picture of a pipe with the words written underneath | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
reminding you, "This is not a pipe, it's just a picture of a pipe". | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
Sometimes, he puts a picture in place of a word. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
So this sentence reads, "I do not see the woman hidden in the forest". | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
At other points, he labels images | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
with the wrong words entirely. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
By untethering objects from their labels, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
or upsetting the rules of reality, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
Magritte's work tries to undermine the very idea | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
that one can impose logic and order on the world. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
It's a bit unsettling. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:34 | |
I enjoy Magritte's illusions and the games he plays with our mind. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
It's just a pity the way he depicts women seems so stark. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
Is there any place for me in an art movement | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
who thinks of women like this? | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
Ghislaine Wood is a curator who's also a bit uncomfortable | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
about Surrealism's seedy side. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
I'm hoping she can show me how a good feminist can enjoy | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
a guilt-free relationship with Surrealism. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
The difficulty with a lot of Surrealism in its earliest phase | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
was that it was very male-dominated and it was very patriarchal. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
And a number of the male Surrealists had problems with that, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
as well as a number of the women. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
There has to be a bit of licence, I think, for the historical period, as well. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
-Oh, sure, sure. -That perhaps feminism as we understand it now | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
didn't really exist then. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
For many of the Surrealists, women become a conduit to something else. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
-Yeah. -And women were perceived as being closer to nature, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
closer to this idea of childhood, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
these ideas that really fascinated the Surrealists. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
And that's why women are such a common subject matter. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
In some respects, you could argue | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
that women ARE the subject matter of Surrealism. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
And I think one of the most interesting subject matters, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
certainly in the late '30s, is the idea of the mannequin. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
So, for instance, here, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
we've got Andre Masson's Mannequin | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
from the Surrealist Exposition in Paris in 1938, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
which was this extraordinary event | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
where 16 of the Surrealist men all chose a kind of mannequin | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
and then dressed it up, um... | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
-you know, sort of created objects from mannequins... -Yeah. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
..that were very different | 0:25:11 | 0:25:12 | |
and were really sort of seen as being quite shocking at the time. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
In fact, Man Ray talked about them as women and them being raped | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
and violated by the Surrealist men. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
She looks like she's actually gagged or something here. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
She's got a scarf or something around her mouth. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
She is, yeah, she's gagged and her head is put into a cage. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
In some respects, it's the ultimate image of objectification. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
It is quite extraordinary. There's a sort of, you know, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
quite feminine moment of putting the pansy over the mouth. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
So very erotic, you know, the idea of the mouth being an erotic zone. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
But it was one of the most powerful images from that mannequin alley | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
and I think, really, did much to establish | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
the mannequin as the ultimate sort of Surrealist object. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
And then, of course, it moves on into much more | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
disturbing territory with someone like Hans Bellmer | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
who, of course, um...dismembers the mannequins, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
-puts them together in all sorts of new ways. -They just become composite parts. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
Yeah. And with very disturbing sort of overtones of violence, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
um...eroticisation and also, of paedophilia, as well. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
-Very often, these are children's... -Yeah. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
Um...you know, this mannequin wears children's shoes. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
I mean, they are very disturbing, Bellmer's. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
But I don't think we can be too judgmental | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
about it being done for titillation. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
I think they were very bravely showing the inner workings | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
of their mind without editing it. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
I think... | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
-Yeah. -You know, when you do have... | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
When one has sexual fantasies, quite often, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
you only think of a part of a body and the head doesn't exist | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
because it's not with the person, it's... | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
You know, in the unconscious, it can be completely objectified. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
And so, they were showing for the first time, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
that reality of the inner mind. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
Yeah. I think that's very true. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
I think they were trying to get to, you know, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
an essential representation of unconscious thoughts, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
um...no matter how disturbing that might be. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
Of course, women weren't just there | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
as representations of unconscious thought. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
They were accepted into the movement as artists. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
Did they get accepted into the movement via the route of muse, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:24 | |
then mistress before they are taken seriously as a painter? | 0:27:24 | 0:27:30 | |
Can they come in as a painter, or a sculptor or a photographer, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
or is it like, "Oh, my girlfriend's really good". | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
Well, it's a bit of both, actually. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
Someone like Meret Oppenheim is really interesting, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
from that point of view because obviously, she's this, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
you know, fantastic sort of model for Man Ray. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
A very beautiful woman who was photographed by him | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
in a number of different shoots, but this one in the printing press | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
is one of the most famous and extraordinary. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
The handle of the printing press is at her very sex centre, isn't it? | 0:27:58 | 0:28:04 | |
It is, it is, yes. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
Almost disguising it, but at the same time, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
encouraging you to look at it. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
Here she is at the printing press and yet she herself | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
is what is covered with ink, as though she is the subject here | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
of a work of art, rather than creating a work of art. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
But, of course, she then went on and became | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
a very important Surrealist artist in her own right. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:31 | |
And most famously produced the fur-covered teacup, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
which is one of THE most iconic Surrealist objects ever created. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
And it was exhibited in the first Surrealist object exhibition | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
in Paris in 1936. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
And it is an extraordinary work because it is so powerful. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
It's an extraordinary erotic object | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
and kind of comes to represent the idea of woman. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
Of course, the fur-covered spoon is put into the cavity, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
it penetrates the cavity of the teacup. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
The teacup, as you put it to mouth, is like, you know, | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
touching a woman's, you know... | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
-Fanny. -Fanny. Exactly. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:02 | |
So, you know, it's this object that works in all sorts of | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
extraordinary ways and created by a woman. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
Oppenheim spoke later on about where she got her inspiration. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
Wherever it came from, Meret Oppenheim made some | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
striking and extraordinary examples of Surrealist sculpture. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
The idea of making sculpture from found objects | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
was not a Surrealist invention, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
but they applied their ideas of chance | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
and the juxtaposition of incongruous things to the art of the readymade. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
As early as 1921, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
Man Ray had begun making sculptures with combinations of things. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
I pick something which in itself has no meaning at all, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
but I combine it with a second element. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
In the early days in Paris when I first came over and I passed by | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
a hardware shop and I saw a flag iron in the window, I said, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:24 | |
"There's an object which is almost invisible - | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
"maybe I could do something with that." | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
What could I do is to add something in it that was provocative, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
so I got a box of tacks and glued on a row of tacks to it, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
to make it useless, as I thought. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
But nothing is really useless. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
You can always find a use even for the most extravagant object. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:47 | |
I disregard completely the aesthetic quality of the object. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:54 | |
I'm against craftsmanship. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
They say the world is full of wonderful craftsmen, | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
but there are very few practical dreamers. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
'To make my own Surrealist object, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
'I've picked one of the most practical dreamers I know - | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
'the writer and improvisation teacher John-Paul Flintoff.' | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
The horns are quite phallic, aren't they? | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
There's a lot of power in that thing. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:18 | |
This is very powerful, the whole thing. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
'We've come to the Surrealists' old stomping ground.' | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
Oh, whoa! | 0:31:24 | 0:31:25 | |
'The flea markets north of Paris.' | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
Oh, look - this is good. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
-A mechanism for making a thing happen. -Oh! -More things go in. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:36 | |
It's the reverse of what you expect. They don't fall out. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
Really feeling the letters. I've got to have some letters. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
I think letters are really important. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
The power of the Surrealist objects | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
is often in their surprising combination | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
of the domestic and the wild, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
making everyday things into objects of threat or desire. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
It's perfect, and you can unscrew all this and screw other things on! | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
-Quarante-trois. Quarante-trois. -Conclu. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
-Ha-ha-ha! -Yes! | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
Look at that. Just look at that! You know what that is. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
-It's not difficult to work out. -Look, what is this? -I can't think! | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
Is this speaking to you at all? | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
HE LAUGHS Oh, look - more ladies! | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
Oh, lots of ladies. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
-Great implement of torture. -It's great, isn't it? | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
If that had our doorknobs on it, it would be a face enclosed by... | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
It's so good, actually. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
It's so good. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:31 | |
Look, we've got to make something with all these things we've bought. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
-Let's do it. -OK. This looks like a good, empty space. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
No-one will mind if we start assembling this stuff here. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
Are you happy with the ladies being like this? | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
Yeah, I think they look like they're having a really nice time. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
-I'd like to break the plate inside the handbag. -Go on, then. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
That's it. That's what we want. Little bits. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
You know what, I'm actually getting sort of carried away, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
-in a funny way now. -Yeah, I'm really enjoying this. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
-Are you feeling that as well? -Totally. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
Whether you make anything good or not, it's not really the point. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
'Man Ray thought the same.' | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
I've never been able to finish a detective story | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
because I don't give a hag who was the murderer. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
Oh, no. It doesn't interest me at all. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
It's the process - | 0:33:33 | 0:33:34 | |
the mental process that's involved that interests me. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
Process was key to them. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
Max Ernst wrote later about how difficult it was at the start | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
for painters and sculptors to find ways of working | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
that fitted Breton's vision of Surrealism. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
For some, the answer came | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
in literally taking a knife to the everyday - | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
cutting it into new visions of the world. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
In the early '20s, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
Ernst's fellow Dada artist Hannah Hoch made collages of images | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
and texts from the mass media | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
as a tool to critique the German Weimar government. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
Ernst had developed his own knack of combining found images | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
from encyclopaedia, department store catalogues and popular novels | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
to create an unsettling world that was grounded in the familiar | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
but rendered new and strange. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
Like found sculpture, his collages | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
worked to disrupt hierarchy and logic. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
The images from high and low culture were mixed up together, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
all cut loose from their original meaning. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
He invented the idea of a sort of collage novel. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
The last of these, Une Semaine de Bonte - A Week Of Kindness - | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
is a favourite of the English conceptual artist, John Stezaker, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
who's built his own work around collage from found photographs. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
I had a postcard collection ever since I was a young teenager, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:03 | |
and when I started to find film stills in the mid '70s, | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
it was obvious, I had these two collections - | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
to put a postcard on top of the film still seemed absolutely magical. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
It was a moment in which I suddenly thought, "A-ha! Yes! | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
"It works perfectly." | 0:35:15 | 0:35:16 | |
What do you think Ernst is trying to do in Une Semaine de Bonte? | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
Do you think it's something about...he was taking | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
Edwardian and Victorian imagery from prints and stuff | 0:35:25 | 0:35:30 | |
and by cutting it up, was he trying to cut up the old world order | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
-and create something new? -I imagine they probably were. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
So they come from a world that was before he was born, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
and I find that... | 0:35:39 | 0:35:40 | |
I'm attracted in a similar way to the 1940s, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
the world before I was born, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
and I think there is an interest in old or obsolete images | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
which relates to it belonging to a world you haven't experienced. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
But it's just before so you're always curious about it. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
There's definitely something Oedipal about it. I think you're right. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
I think it is about tearing up the world order. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
Funnily enough, I hardly ever dream. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
I know all these people say, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:07 | |
"Oh, you mean you don't remember your dreams." | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
After a spell in hospital | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
I found I was having these incredibly intense dreams, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
and these were the response in a sense | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
to this new power of the dream, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
and somehow the dream world and the cinema world | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
started to kind of merge with one another again, and I started... | 0:36:23 | 0:36:28 | |
Funnily enough, it was kind of re-excited... | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
re-animated my interest in Surrealism | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
because of that connection. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
Do you see the dream world as real | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
as what we think of as the real world? | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
I think it's probably more real. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
-You're a true Surrealist, then! -Perhaps I am! | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
Cos that's what they did. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
That's what surreality means - it means super real. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
It means as real as anything else. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
I like the idea of being a sub-realist, somehow. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
Going beneath reality. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
It wasn't just found images that appealed to them, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
but from the very beginning, the Surrealists used the camera | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
as a tool to unsettle you from the comfort of your own perceptions. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
In a similar way to Magritte, they wanted you to see that the world | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
you think you're living in isn't so solid, either, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
and it's already full of strange and marvellous things. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
Arno Minkkinen is a Finnish-American photographer | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
who is still finding ways | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
to use his camera to reveal impossible images taken from life. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
The most surreal things are attached somehow to photography. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
When you see something that you haven't seen before, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
the first expression inside you is one of astonishment and shock. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:59 | |
Ah, it's really come out, hasn't it? | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
Yeah. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
-This is all white. -Yeah. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
So it's right to my feet. I don't see the dock at all. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
So many of those great Surrealist women went from muse to model | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
to maker of work in their own right, so I might as well give it a go. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
-Do you want my coat off for the drawing purpose? -Er... | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
I mean, yeah, that might be better. Yeah, that's better. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
Yeah. Terrific. OK. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
Photography is to show us the truth. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
Reality is much more inventive than we are. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
We invent out of what we know. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
The photograph shows us what we don't know. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
What happens inside your mind can happen inside a camera. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
BIRDSONG | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
OK. I'm going to fire from here... | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
CLICK | 0:39:36 | 0:39:37 | |
-Great. OK. -Hm-mm. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
-Are we done? -Yeah, we're done. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
You know, I might put some clothes on! | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:39:47 | 0:39:48 | |
-There is a sauna in there, if you want to... -Oh, is there? Right. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
-Yeah. -I don't know where I'm going! | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
-More white. You can see the drawings. -Oh, yeah! | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
-Oh, it really works! -It worked. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
And we have the drawing at this stage, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
where we can see the little cartoon character. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
-It's my inner child, isn't it? -Yeah, that's the child. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:40:16 | 0:40:17 | |
The greatest affinity to Man Ray, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
for me, is in his desire to see something new. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
Man Ray had developed a technique which he called the Rayograph, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
named after himself, | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
where he placed the objects directly onto the photographic paper. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
The Surrealists admired the beauty | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
of these images produced by relying on random chance. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
So it's going to be a Rayograph... | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
This is wire, cos he likes wire. Wire. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
It would rattle a little bit like that, lift some of it up | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
so that some of it is out of focus, some of it's in focus... | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
That's beautiful. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:56 | |
Wired out of magnifying glass, right in there, | 0:40:56 | 0:41:01 | |
and we have this lovely Italian nutcracker here. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
We can put it right into the magnifying glass. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
See what happens to her. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
And, er, there could be this sort of a triangle there, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:15 | |
just like...something. And we'll take the match... | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
HE STRIKES MATCH | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
That's the exposure. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
Now we take all these things off and we lost the picture, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
can never get it back the same way. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
I'm going to use my bare hands, cos this is real primitive stuff. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
And now the whole paper will be... Have a black edge, certainly. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:53 | |
-Something's coming. -Yep. Oh, it's coming up. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
There she is, so there's the Rayograph. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
I love the wire going out of focus... | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
Oh, no, it's not... It's the magnifying glass - it's wonderful. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
Yeah. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:10 | |
So we take that out of here... I'll just put it right here. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
And now we can put the light on already. It doesn't really matter. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
And of course, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:27 | |
you have the opportunity of doing these kinds of things. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
-He was a master of these edges, not just the centre. -Yeah. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:39 | |
As well as stills photography, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
Man Ray was also experimenting with film. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
In this 1923 film Le Retour a la Raison - Return To Reason - | 0:42:47 | 0:42:52 | |
he extended his Rayograph technique to the moving image. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
He sprinkled salt and pepper | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
onto one piece of film, and pins onto another! | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
But the most radical piece of Surreal cinema | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
would come from a new direction. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
Luis Bunuel and Salvador Dali had been college friends. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
Neither of them had ever made a film before, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
but both were desperate to break into the tight-knit Surrealist gang. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
They set out to make a piece of cinema that would match | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
what they knew the Surrealists liked - random chance and dreams. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:26 | |
They tried to make their film a collage of dream-like images | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
and irrational associations deliberately without a story, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
using title cards to jump back and forth in time | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
and disrupt any possibility of it making sense. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
The film premiered in this cinema in Paris in June 1929. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
The great and the good of the Paris art world were there, | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
including Le Corbusier, | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
Picasso and Gala Eluard, who would later become Gala Dali. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
Luis Bunuel said that when this film first showed, | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
he was behind the projection screen with his pockets full of stones, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:45 | |
ready to throw them at the audience if they hated the film! | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
But much to his disappointment, they quite liked it! | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
We are meaning-making creatures. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
When we are presented with a collection of disjointed things, | 0:45:05 | 0:45:09 | |
our minds will always bridge the gaps. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
Even these art students that we showed the film to today | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
couldn't help but try to make sense of it. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
There were definitely underlying threads and themes that went | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
along with the whole thing. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:22 | |
Kind of reflects the way that spring and winter | 0:45:24 | 0:45:29 | |
are a balance of life and death. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
-I think it's about love. -OK! -Yeah. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
I wasn't quite sure what to make of all the different scenes, | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
but I was looking for threads. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
Other than that, it was just... gobsmacked and confused, | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
but I did enjoy it. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:44 | |
Whatever its successes and failures as a piece of cinema, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
the film certainly succeeded on winning Bunuel and Dali | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
their place in the Surrealist fold. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
After the premiere, they attended the Surrealist daily meetings | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
at the cafe or at Breton's studio. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
One of the striking things about how to be a Surrealist | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
is that you can't do it on your own! | 0:46:11 | 0:46:16 | |
The group was tremendously important to the early Surrealists. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
They met every day, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
they shared their experience of their unconscious with each other, | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
and I know from being a member of similar groups, | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
albeit psychotherapy groups, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
just how intense and bonding that experience can be. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
Breton dealt with differences by chucking out whoever | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
he thought transgressed Surrealist ideals. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
He tried to police Surrealism in so many ways! | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
He said, "You can't design for the ballet, | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
"you can't paint shit on trousers, you can't be a homosexual, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
"you can't take pictures of his wife, you can't be a Catholic..." | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
He wanted to control their politics, | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
their sexuality, their religion. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
But in the end, the big "can't" was that you can't police Surrealism. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:06 | |
Hear that, Breton? You can't police Surrealism. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
What had begun as the outpourings | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
of the unconscious mind of the artist - | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
a series of experiments and processes - | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
expanded into a dazzling mix of styles and techniques. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:23 | |
All under the umbrella of Surrealism. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
When the Surrealists came to London | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
for the International Surrealist Exhibition of 1936, | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
the Great British public didn't know quite what to make of them. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:37 | |
The world of dreams is a strange world, | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
which most of us visit only in our sleep. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
The whole aim of Surrealism is to explore this realm | 0:47:42 | 0:47:47 | |
and to bring it into relation with our daily life. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
Dali turned up with a deep-sea diving suit, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
all the better to descend into the subconscious mind, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
and the whole thing nearly ended in disaster when he tried to | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
deliver a lecture from inside the suit and nearly suffocated. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
He was only rescued at the last minute by a poet with a spanner. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
Later, of course, he would become the grand showman of Surrealism. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
Indeed, at one point, he was arguably the most famous artist | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
in the world, and he was rarely modest about it. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
Dali chose to execute his paintings in a hyperrealistic style. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
He was once a fervent believer in the artistic possibilities | 0:49:11 | 0:49:15 | |
of tapping into the unconscious. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
This work, The Metamorphosis Of Narcissus, | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
was the first example of his approach | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
to painting the unconscious mind. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
You know when you see a paper bag and at first it isn't a paper bag - | 0:49:35 | 0:49:40 | |
it's an incredibly detailed cat, and you're absolutely certain | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
it's a cat - you think, "Oh! It's a cat - it's about to get run over!" | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
And then your mind does a bit more processing and it's a paper bag... | 0:49:47 | 0:49:52 | |
We've all had that thing when we see something, | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
we're sure it's that thing or that person, and then it isn't. | 0:49:56 | 0:50:02 | |
Dali was really interested in this first impression we get, | 0:50:02 | 0:50:07 | |
which might be our lasting impression, but it's the one | 0:50:07 | 0:50:12 | |
we see through this lens of paranoia, | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
and he called this way of seeing his "paranoiac-critical method". | 0:50:14 | 0:50:19 | |
What he's done here is like two images that look very, very similar | 0:50:19 | 0:50:25 | |
but they're actually depicting completely different things. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
One's a thumb and a finger holding an egg with a narcissus coming up, | 0:50:28 | 0:50:32 | |
and the other is the actual figure of Narcissus himself | 0:50:32 | 0:50:37 | |
looking into the pond, but they look the same. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
It's trying to convey to the viewer that he wanted you to see | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
that one shape could be both things or many things, indeed. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:50 | |
It is showing us the unconscious, | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
not because the movement of the painting or the brush strokes | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
is an unconscious process like it is in automatic drawing, | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
but because he's showing you the tricks your mind plays on you. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:05 | |
In the summer of 1938, | 0:51:06 | 0:51:08 | |
he took this painting with him when he went to see Sigmund Freud. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:12 | |
Freud wrote afterwards in a letter to a friend, | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
"I really have to thank you for the introduction which brought me | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
"yesterday's visitors, for until then, | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
"I was inclined to look upon the Surrealists, who have apparently | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
"chosen me as their patron saint, as absolute cranks. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
"The young Spaniard, however, with his candid and fanatical eyes, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:36 | |
"and his undeniable technical mastery, | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
"has made me reconsider my opinion." | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
These enormous efforts they were making to overthrow the conventions | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
of society and find a truth beyond our lived reality | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
had been taking place against a backdrop | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
of the rise of fascism in Europe. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:56 | |
At the end of the '30s, | 0:52:02 | 0:52:03 | |
Europe was becoming a pretty dangerous place, | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
especially if you were, in the eyes of the incoming Nazis, | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
a degenerate artist, so many of the Surrealists came to America, | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
especially here, New York. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
JAZZ MUSIC | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
Art historian Robert Hobbs has written extensively about | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
the American art scene in the '40s. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
How were the Surrealists received in America? | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
Well, the Surrealists came in several different groups, | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
but they were received exceedingly well. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
Andre Breton came soon after Paris fell | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
and he was the great hope of Surrealism. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
Max Ernst came over and he ended up marrying Peggy Guggenheim. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
But mainly, the Surrealists mixed with very different circles | 0:52:59 | 0:53:04 | |
than the American artist, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
and so they were well-accepted by collectors, you know, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
any number of people in New York, er...but the young artists | 0:53:10 | 0:53:14 | |
-who were aspiring regarded them as old-fashioned. -Uh-huh. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
A bit fusty. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
They regarded them as not the most current avant-garde, even though | 0:53:20 | 0:53:25 | |
the galleries and museums regarded them as the ruling avant garde. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:31 | |
While the European Surrealists were busy swanning around | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
at Peggy Guggenheim's parties, Breton's original ideas were being | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
taken up by a new wave of American artists. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
I think when one looks at the abstract expressionists | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
in relation to the Surrealists, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:46 | |
one of the things that's very fascinating is the Americans | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
did go back to the very beginnings of Surrealism, | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
so rather than picking up Surrealism in the 1940s and saying, | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
we're going to continue with late Surrealism, | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
which they felt was out-of-date and old-fashioned, | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
as I've mentioned before, | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
they wanted to go back to the very beginnings of Surrealism | 0:54:05 | 0:54:10 | |
to create a truer, more authentic Surrealism, | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
and so the two really sprang from a common root, or common beginning. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:18 | |
While the next wave of modern art was borne in response to | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
Breton's ideas of pure psychic autonomism, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
a lot of the innovations they'd made in image-making, | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
combinations of incongruous things, | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
putting objects in impossible settings, wordplay - indeed, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
the whole iconography of that particular Surrealist style, | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
was adopted wholesale into the world of advertising. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
Magritte had been an ad man in his time, and he understood the pleasure | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
there is in connecting the dots, in getting the joke. | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
What would Breton say today if he saw his ideas being used not | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
to unsettle us from our bourgeois reality, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
but to sell credit cards?! | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
The funny thing is, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
that these artists who tried to do everything they could | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
to disrupt established ideas and to tear up social conventions | 0:55:15 | 0:55:20 | |
were now mainstream celebrities. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
First, it dissolves. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:24 | |
Happy bubbles, but dissolved bubbles. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
Breton called Dali "Avida Dollars", an anagram of Salvador Dali, because | 0:55:30 | 0:55:35 | |
he seemed to have sold out and would do anything for American money. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:41 | |
..so those beautiful places will be beautiful again. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
Alka-Seltzer is a work of art. Truly one of a kind, like a Dali. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:49 | |
Watching him later, this look-at-me eccentric, | 0:55:52 | 0:55:55 | |
it's hard to remember that he was once an earnest disciple | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
of the movement, and it's a shame that for many people, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
the image of Surrealism has got reduced to | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
that weird Sunday supplement kind of sexy | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
and posters in teenage boys' bedrooms, | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
because that is really the least interesting part of the whole thing. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
I think because of what has lingered of Surrealism, you know, | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
the paintings of Magritte and Dali, | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
people think that IS Surrealism, and it isn't - it's more than that. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:31 | |
It's about discovering the unconscious. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
What was amazing when I set up the pop-up bureau | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
was people off the street | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
and how quickly they got to their inner realities and what | 0:56:42 | 0:56:46 | |
they found out about themselves, you know, just in five minutes. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:51 | |
It was incredible. So I imagine it was pretty mind-blowing | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
for the Surrealists when they discovered similar things. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
I'm thrilled by what I've found out about the Surrealists. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:02 | |
It isn't a style. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
It is a philosophy, | 0:57:04 | 0:57:05 | |
and it's a philosophy that we might go back to from time to time to help | 0:57:05 | 0:57:09 | |
us with our own discovering of our own outer lives and our inner lives. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:15 | |
The Surrealists tried to tap into that huge wellspring | 0:57:18 | 0:57:22 | |
of creativity that we have in our unconscious minds, and they | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
did that in reaction to the crisis of world politics of 100 years ago. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:30 | |
I can't help but feel that this art form, borne of troubled times, | 0:57:33 | 0:57:38 | |
is actually relevant to where we are today. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
Looking around, it's no wonder | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
that so many people think the world is a little surreal. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 |