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It's 100 years since the word "surreal" was first used.

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And now, you hear it everywhere.

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What a riot of surreal slapstick!

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Last night in Cleveland was surreal!

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I'm just shaking and it's just surreal.

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A woman from Brighton who was mistaken for Ivanka Trump on Twitter

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by none other than the US President-elect himself

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says it's all rather surreal.

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For many people, surreal just means bizarre.

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If you think of Surrealist art at all, you'll maybe think of those

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lonely landscapes littered with melting clocks,

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floating businessmen in bowler hats,

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a woman who looks like a violin, a lobster where a telephone should be!

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But Surrealism didn't start out like that.

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I'm a psychotherapist. I'm no stranger to the world of dreams.

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In this film, I'm going to take you back to the beginnings

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of the Surrealist movement and trace how their interest

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in the unconscious mind sparked an explosion of revolutionary ideas

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that transformed art and cinema and the world around us.

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Surrealism was never just a visual style.

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It was a state of mind and a way of life.

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I'll meet some contemporary artists

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who can still channel their inner Surrealist,

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and see how the experimental ideas of a group of young artists

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reaching for the absurd in response to a world in crisis

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would create some of the most recognisable

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and popular art of the 20th century.

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And I'll delve into the original Surrealist writings

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for inspiration and have a go for myself...

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Can you tell me your dreams that you dream when you're asleep?

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..to find out what being a Surrealist is really about.

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You know, I might put some clothes on.

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LAUGHTER

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In 1920s Paris, there were lots of artists and writers and thinkers,

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and they were, on the whole, pretty disillusioned with society.

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The society that had produced World War I.

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Put aside for a moment the moustachioed showman Dali

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and the bowler-hatted illusionist Monsieur Magritte.

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At the beginning, the hero of the story was not a painter,

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but a poet, Andre Breton.

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Breton was a member of the absurdist art movement Dada.

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But he left, like everyone else, as the group imploded.

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In his 1922 poem Lachez Tout, he wrote,

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"Drop everything. Drop Dada

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"Drop your wife. Drop your mistress

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"Drop your hopes and fears

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"Park your children in the woods

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"Drop the substance for the shadow

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"Drop your comfortable life

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"What you have been given for the future, and set off on the roads."

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I know it sounds a bit bleak,

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but Breton had his reasons for wanting to rearrange world order.

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Breton had been a medical student during the First World War.

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He worked at a psychiatric hospital in France

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with men suffering from shellshock.

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He saw people whose minds had responded to the trauma of war

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in unexpected ways.

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Breton took a special interest in their dreams

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and kept records of them.

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He wrote, "I believe in the future resolution of these two states -

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"dream and reality,

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"which are seemingly so contradictory,

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"into a kind of absolute reality.

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"A sur-reality."

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He set out his ideas in a sort of handbook, the Surrealist Manifesto.

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He defined Surrealism as, "Psychic automatism in its pure state,

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"by which one proposes to express verbally,

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"by means of the written word, or in any other manner,

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"the actual functioning of thought.

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"Dictated by thought, in the absence of any control exercised by reason,

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"exempt from any aesthetic or moral concern.

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"The following have performed acts of absolute Surrealism..."

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And he goes on to mention his mates, who are Messrs...

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Isn't it funny, he talks about doing away with order and things

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and he's putting this lot in alphabetical order!

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Now, you'll notice there's some

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very famous names of Surrealism not there.

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That's because they hadn't joined yet.

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In fact, that list is a list of poets.

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At the beginning of Surrealism,

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the group contained very few artists.

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But it wouldn't stay that way for long.

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So, how do you be a Surrealist?

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Well, you can try this at home, everyone.

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"After you have settled yourself in a place as favourable as possible

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"to the concentration of your mind upon itself,

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"have writing materials brought to you."

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Because we've all got servants, haven't we(?)

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"Put yourself in as passive or receptive

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"a state of mind as you can.

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"Write quickly, without any preconceived subject, fast enough

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"so that you will not remember what you're writing,

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"and don't be tempted to reread what you've written."

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You can see that it was a simple step from automatic writing

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to automatic drawing.

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Breton's idea was to produce work that was not controlled by reason.

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He had said that it should be totally free from aesthetic concerns

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and it wasn't important to him what it looked like.

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As long as it channelled the unconscious, it would be of value.

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In this 1925 drawing by Andre Masson,

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you can see he's added little details onto the freeform doodle.

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People have tried to interpret these drawings.

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They've said that, "Oh, it's because he was

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"a soldier in the First World War

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"and these are all the dismembered parts".

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Or other people say, "Look at the fluidity of it

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"and all the bits of bodies. It's obviously to do about sex."

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Whatever you read into it,

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it will tell you more about you than it will about Masson.

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When I look at it, the first thing I see is this shape here,

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which, to me, looks like a pair of hairy testicles.

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Masson moved beyond drawing and started to experiment

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with other materials, including paint and sand.

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Masson had a studio next to Joan Miro.

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HIS experiments with Surrealism took on a different form.

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He developed his automatic drawings into paintings

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full of strange symbolism and biomorphic shapes,

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creating dream-like images that were the beginnings

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of what we might recognise today as Surrealist art.

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This is the thing about Breton's rules.

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He was trying to encourage people to tap into their unconscious mind

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and to follow whatever they might find there.

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So anyone who truly followed his rules would also have to break them.

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Our understand of our unconscious mind is grounded in the work

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of the Austrian neurologist Sigmund Freud,

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the founding father of psychoanalysis.

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Freud described dreams as "the royal road to the unconscious".

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I can't believe I've been allowed to come and sit in Freud's chair,

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in Freud's office and look at Freud's couch.

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I'm not actually allowed to lie on the couch because that is

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just too sacred, but to sit here, for me, a psychotherapist, is...

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Well, it's quite intimidating.

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You'd think, wouldn't you, because the Surrealists

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were so keen on the unconscious

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and Freud was so keen on the unconscious,

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that they were a sort of match made in heaven,

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but Freud just wanted to use the unconscious to cure madness,

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rather than to explore madness.

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Freud always wanted to come to conclusions.

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He wanted to come to interpretations,

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whereas the Surrealists were more about opening things out

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and playing with what you opened out.

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Our gang of young Surrealists,

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intrepid explorers of the mind's creative possibilities,

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did conduct their own experiments, but of a different kind to Dr Freud.

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This apartment block on the Rue de Grenelle on the Left Bank in Paris

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was the site of their first office, the Bureau of Surrealist Research,

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opened on 11th October 1924.

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And it was here that Breton and his friends

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were open for business every day,

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Monday to Saturday, 4.30-6.30,

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in order to take confessions from members of the public,

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in order to release their unconscious minds

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and free them from the mores of society

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and the conventions of the bourgeois.

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Fellow poet Louis Aragon wrote,

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"At 15 Rue de Grenelle, we've opened romantic lodgings

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"for unclassifiable ideas and revolutions in progress".

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They made brightly-coloured flyers known as "papillon",

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that they distributed on the streets of Paris with slogans like,

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"If you love love, you'll love Surrealism",

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and, "Parents! Tell your children your dreams!"

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They held Surrealist seances and invited people to come in

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and share stories of dreams and coincidences.

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I rather like this idea, so I'm going to set up my own

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pop-up Bureau of Surrealist Research in a nearby street.

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That's the thing about relying on random chance,

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sometimes nobody turns up.

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Could you tell me the last dream you had?

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I can't, because I can't remember it.

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-That's odd.

-I slept very well last night.

-Yeah.

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But I actually can't remember my last dream.

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Can you tell me "vos reves",

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your dreams that you dream when you're asleep?

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And what I'd really like to know is about your inner reality.

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What's...the images that are coming to the fore for you?

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A car.

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Fabulous!

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A dream where I would fly.

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I would just open my arms, I would sort of glide all over the city,

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all over wherever I was in the country.

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And it was an absolutely wonderful feeling. I used to love it.

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Once, I was driving a car and behind me,

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there was a dead guy and I didn't know if I'd been doing that or not.

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It wasn't the fact that it was, like,

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people were dying or something, it was just... It was, like,

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severely eerie and it was just very, very silent.

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'In his description of the original Bureau of Surrealist Research,'

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Louis Aragon said,

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"We've suspended a woman from the ceiling of an empty room

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"and worried men come there every day, bearers of weighty secrets.

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"We're working on a task that's enigmatic, even for us."

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I did have a recurring dream in childhood,

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which was about a train travelling very fast through a desert.

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Perhaps also a sense of something going to go wrong,

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some imminent catastrophe and then it never happens, I wake up.

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OK.

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I would like you to draw a picture of your dream.

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And as you draw your dream, can you tell me about it?

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Yeah.

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HE SPEAKS FRENCH

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So it's scary outside, but it's not so scary when you get inside?

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-No.

-OK.

-No.

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'The Surrealist experiment was about trying to discover

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'the unconscious mind in an inclusive way, without boundaries,

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'without judgment, for whoever was brave enough

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'to set foot through the door.'

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How does it feel to drive the car?

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Er...dangerous, because I don't drive.

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I dream of people I literally have not been thinking about

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for 50 years.

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And they were absolutely, er...the same as ever, you know?

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As though, er...many, many years hadn't passed.

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It's a premonition of a soon-to-come death? I don't know.

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It's really weird.

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Oh, my God! It's all pulsating now, the whole thing. Look at that.

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They were onto something, these Surrealists, I think.

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The last dream was I had a... We have a Danish guy that makes

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a lot of television programmes.

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Then he said in the newspapers he will die.

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-The sickness is called... with the lungs.

-Uh-huh.

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And I also have a problem with my lungs,

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so I was crying when I saw this newspaper.

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-So I have, like, a nightmare about this one.

-Yeah.

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-Is that the man?

-Yeah. And his ship here.

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I think you can feel your sadness

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for you through your sadness for him.

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Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

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Each one of these pieces of paper represents a person

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that's come in here today and told me what they dreamt of in the night.

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And what can be more personal than that?

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And I'm feeling quite sort of flooded with it all.

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This is, er... This has been, er...

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it's been a bit more than I expected, actually.

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It's not a game.

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It feels...like we ARE going somewhere real

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when we ask people to tell us their dreams.

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And I feel like I've been trusted with sort of people's

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sort of raw and precious insides, actually.

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The Surrealist experiments with dreams

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are not the same as psychotherapy.

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They're not supposed to be therapeutic, for a start.

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But crucially, they're not private.

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For the Surrealists, dreams were a rich source material.

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They'd publish the accounts they'd gathered alongside

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other Surrealist experiments in a magazine -

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La Revolution Surrealiste.

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But it wasn't some brightly-coloured book of Surrealist art,

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it was a sober and highly-intellectual effort

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modelled on the scientific journals of the day.

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Art historian and curator Dawn Ades

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is a leading voice in the study of Surrealism.

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She has reproductions of all the original magazines

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and is going to help me make sense of

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the early Surrealist experimental work.

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There's a comment here, just underneath the inner title page,

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saying that the first number of La Revolution Surrealiste

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doesn't offer any definitive revelation.

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It... It presents the results of automatic writing,

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the narration of dreams,

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but they're not actually claiming to draw any conclusions from it yet.

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They are, really, experimenting.

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And in a way, they kind of carry on

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in the same line right the way through this

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wonderful journal which has all kinds of exciting discoveries,

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but never laying down the law. Never saying,

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"Well, this is what you have to do and this is how you have to do it".

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'That first issue has really striking examples of drawings

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'and photographs, but no trace yet of those uncanny dreamscapes

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'that one thinks of as Surrealist art.'

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The illustrations in the magazine are very interesting.

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They're there in their own right,

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they're not just illustrating something else.

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They had terrific debates about what visual Surrealism might be.

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One of them said there can never be

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any such thing as Surrealist painting.

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Why was that?

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It's one of the ironies of Surrealism that now it's much

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better known for the artists,

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but the artists were only in a footnote in the first manifesto.

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But for the artists, it was really important

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to belong to a movement that was not just concerned with the formal,

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with the visual, with abstraction, for example.

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Um... But each of the Surrealist artists responded to

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the kind of ideas - to automatism, for example - in different ways.

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And so there is no such thing as a Surrealist style.

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Surrealism was never just a visual style. Surrealism was a way of life.

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It was, you know, a state of mind and a way of life.

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One of the artists most dedicated to the Surrealist life was Max Ernst.

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His spontaneous response to the ideas of Surrealism

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might be mistaken for some pretty basic art techniques.

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But then, that was the point.

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Max Ernst said he found it really difficult to make a mark

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on a virgin piece of paper.

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He said he had a virgin phobia.

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One afternoon, in a seaside inn on a rainy day in 1925,

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he noticed the whirls in the floorboards of this inn.

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And he just took up a piece of paper and rubbed his pencil over it.

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And the image jumped out on the paper

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and suggested all sorts of things to him.

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And he thought this was a great way

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of using the philosophy of Surrealism,

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of working with what comes to you, and a way in.

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And he said it got him over his fear of virgin pieces of paper.

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'The art critic Adrian Searle has agreed to help me

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'try this technique, known as frottage.

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'Now, the word "frottage" also has a sexual meaning,

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'and if you really want your internet search history

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'to look colourful, you can look that up,

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'but Adrian and I are talking about art.'

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Were the Surrealists the first to try and discover

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their unconscious through art?

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It's not at all new.

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Nothing... Nothing is new, really.

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Leonardo da Vinci suggested that you stare at stains on the wall,

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or cracks in the pavement and use that as sort of a beginning

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of a way of inventing a landscape or a... Or some kind of forms.

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Nothing comes from nothing, you know?

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No, I don't think the Surrealists were the first at all.

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Obviously, they were people of their time

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and what was current, they could talk about the unconscious

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perhaps in ways that would have been unfamiliar

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to someone 100 or 200 years ago.

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But it was always happening whether or not people...dressed it up...

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-Gave it a name, or...

-Or dressed it up, like they dressed it up.

-Yeah.

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I think the surreal has always been with us, hasn't it?

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-People use the word very casually now.

-Yeah, they do.

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And anything that's a little bit wacky is somehow surreal.

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But, of course, there was rather more to it than that.

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It wasn't just about unlocking the subconscious

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and seeing the world in novel and peculiar ways.

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It wasn't just about the irrational.

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But they saw it as a sort of revolutionary, um...

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way of not just looking at the world,

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but unpacking how banal it was,

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how, er...ludicrous and repressive society was.

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They saw it as actually having an even more, um...

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It was like a bomb for them.

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They're very Ernst-like, these creatures.

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I think I might have been spending too much time with Ernst lately.

0:20:180:20:22

HE CHUCKLES

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Ernst had been drafted into the German army

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in the First World War.

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He'd been a founding member of the Dada movement in Cologne.

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For Max Ernst, it wasn't just about rubbing leaves under a page.

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Making art in this way was a revolutionary act.

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When you are born into a period where so many...

0:20:400:20:46

events invite you to get revolted

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over what is going on in the world

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and be disgusted with it and so on,

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it is absolutely natural that the work you produce is revolutionary.

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The painting is the mirror of, er...time.

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It must be mad

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to have the true image of what time is.

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Those subversive undertones are also there in the work

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of the Belgian artist Rene Magritte.

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It's easy to forget now that these readily-reproduced,

0:21:240:21:26

easy-on-the-eye images contain their own brand of revolution.

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His paintings showed everyday things that we can all understand

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and, at the same time, we know to be impossible.

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He said, "The mind loves the unknown.

0:21:390:21:42

"It loves images whose meaning is unknown,

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"since the meaning of the mind itself is unknown."

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In this 1965 BBC documentary,

0:21:490:21:53

Magritte seems to enjoy playing the part of

0:21:530:21:55

the bowler-hatted businessman he so often painted,

0:21:550:21:58

but the presenter has rumbled his disguise.

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He's a secret agent.

0:22:010:22:03

His object - to discredit bourgeois reality.

0:22:030:22:07

Like all saboteurs,

0:22:070:22:08

he avoids detection by dressing and behaving just like everybody else.

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His keen eye for the absurd was drawn to the relationship

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between objects, words and images.

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His most famous painting of all, The Treachery of Images,

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shows a picture of a pipe with the words written underneath

0:22:530:22:57

reminding you, "This is not a pipe, it's just a picture of a pipe".

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Sometimes, he puts a picture in place of a word.

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So this sentence reads, "I do not see the woman hidden in the forest".

0:23:060:23:11

At other points, he labels images

0:23:110:23:13

with the wrong words entirely.

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By untethering objects from their labels,

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or upsetting the rules of reality,

0:23:210:23:24

Magritte's work tries to undermine the very idea

0:23:240:23:28

that one can impose logic and order on the world.

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It's a bit unsettling.

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I enjoy Magritte's illusions and the games he plays with our mind.

0:23:360:23:40

It's just a pity the way he depicts women seems so stark.

0:23:400:23:45

Is there any place for me in an art movement

0:23:450:23:48

who thinks of women like this?

0:23:480:23:50

Ghislaine Wood is a curator who's also a bit uncomfortable

0:23:520:23:55

about Surrealism's seedy side.

0:23:550:23:57

I'm hoping she can show me how a good feminist can enjoy

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a guilt-free relationship with Surrealism.

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The difficulty with a lot of Surrealism in its earliest phase

0:24:050:24:08

was that it was very male-dominated and it was very patriarchal.

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And a number of the male Surrealists had problems with that,

0:24:120:24:15

as well as a number of the women.

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There has to be a bit of licence, I think, for the historical period, as well.

0:24:180:24:21

-Oh, sure, sure.

-That perhaps feminism as we understand it now

0:24:210:24:24

didn't really exist then.

0:24:240:24:26

For many of the Surrealists, women become a conduit to something else.

0:24:260:24:30

-Yeah.

-And women were perceived as being closer to nature,

0:24:300:24:33

closer to this idea of childhood,

0:24:330:24:36

these ideas that really fascinated the Surrealists.

0:24:360:24:39

And that's why women are such a common subject matter.

0:24:390:24:41

In some respects, you could argue

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that women ARE the subject matter of Surrealism.

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And I think one of the most interesting subject matters,

0:24:450:24:48

certainly in the late '30s, is the idea of the mannequin.

0:24:480:24:51

So, for instance, here,

0:24:510:24:53

we've got Andre Masson's Mannequin

0:24:530:24:55

from the Surrealist Exposition in Paris in 1938,

0:24:550:24:58

which was this extraordinary event

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where 16 of the Surrealist men all chose a kind of mannequin

0:25:010:25:05

and then dressed it up, um...

0:25:050:25:08

-you know, sort of created objects from mannequins...

-Yeah.

0:25:080:25:11

..that were very different

0:25:110:25:12

and were really sort of seen as being quite shocking at the time.

0:25:120:25:15

In fact, Man Ray talked about them as women and them being raped

0:25:150:25:19

and violated by the Surrealist men.

0:25:190:25:22

She looks like she's actually gagged or something here.

0:25:220:25:26

She's got a scarf or something around her mouth.

0:25:260:25:29

She is, yeah, she's gagged and her head is put into a cage.

0:25:290:25:32

In some respects, it's the ultimate image of objectification.

0:25:320:25:35

It is quite extraordinary. There's a sort of, you know,

0:25:350:25:37

quite feminine moment of putting the pansy over the mouth.

0:25:370:25:40

So very erotic, you know, the idea of the mouth being an erotic zone.

0:25:400:25:44

But it was one of the most powerful images from that mannequin alley

0:25:440:25:47

and I think, really, did much to establish

0:25:470:25:51

the mannequin as the ultimate sort of Surrealist object.

0:25:510:25:54

And then, of course, it moves on into much more

0:25:540:25:56

disturbing territory with someone like Hans Bellmer

0:25:560:25:59

who, of course, um...dismembers the mannequins,

0:25:590:26:03

-puts them together in all sorts of new ways.

-They just become composite parts.

0:26:030:26:06

Yeah. And with very disturbing sort of overtones of violence,

0:26:060:26:10

um...eroticisation and also, of paedophilia, as well.

0:26:100:26:14

-Very often, these are children's...

-Yeah.

0:26:140:26:16

Um...you know, this mannequin wears children's shoes.

0:26:160:26:18

I mean, they are very disturbing, Bellmer's.

0:26:180:26:21

But I don't think we can be too judgmental

0:26:220:26:25

about it being done for titillation.

0:26:250:26:27

I think they were very bravely showing the inner workings

0:26:270:26:31

of their mind without editing it.

0:26:310:26:34

I think...

0:26:340:26:36

-Yeah.

-You know, when you do have...

0:26:360:26:38

When one has sexual fantasies, quite often,

0:26:380:26:41

you only think of a part of a body and the head doesn't exist

0:26:410:26:46

because it's not with the person, it's...

0:26:460:26:48

You know, in the unconscious, it can be completely objectified.

0:26:480:26:52

And so, they were showing for the first time,

0:26:520:26:55

that reality of the inner mind.

0:26:550:26:57

Yeah. I think that's very true.

0:26:570:27:00

I think they were trying to get to, you know,

0:27:000:27:02

an essential representation of unconscious thoughts,

0:27:020:27:07

um...no matter how disturbing that might be.

0:27:070:27:10

Of course, women weren't just there

0:27:100:27:12

as representations of unconscious thought.

0:27:120:27:15

They were accepted into the movement as artists.

0:27:150:27:18

Did they get accepted into the movement via the route of muse,

0:27:180:27:24

then mistress before they are taken seriously as a painter?

0:27:240:27:30

Can they come in as a painter, or a sculptor or a photographer,

0:27:300:27:34

or is it like, "Oh, my girlfriend's really good".

0:27:340:27:37

Well, it's a bit of both, actually.

0:27:370:27:39

Someone like Meret Oppenheim is really interesting,

0:27:390:27:42

from that point of view because obviously, she's this,

0:27:420:27:45

you know, fantastic sort of model for Man Ray.

0:27:450:27:47

A very beautiful woman who was photographed by him

0:27:470:27:51

in a number of different shoots, but this one in the printing press

0:27:510:27:55

is one of the most famous and extraordinary.

0:27:550:27:58

The handle of the printing press is at her very sex centre, isn't it?

0:27:580:28:04

It is, it is, yes.

0:28:040:28:06

Almost disguising it, but at the same time,

0:28:060:28:08

encouraging you to look at it.

0:28:080:28:10

Here she is at the printing press and yet she herself

0:28:100:28:14

is what is covered with ink, as though she is the subject here

0:28:140:28:19

of a work of art, rather than creating a work of art.

0:28:190:28:23

But, of course, she then went on and became

0:28:230:28:26

a very important Surrealist artist in her own right.

0:28:260:28:31

And most famously produced the fur-covered teacup,

0:28:310:28:34

which is one of THE most iconic Surrealist objects ever created.

0:28:340:28:37

And it was exhibited in the first Surrealist object exhibition

0:28:370:28:41

in Paris in 1936.

0:28:410:28:43

And it is an extraordinary work because it is so powerful.

0:28:430:28:47

It's an extraordinary erotic object

0:28:470:28:49

and kind of comes to represent the idea of woman.

0:28:490:28:51

Of course, the fur-covered spoon is put into the cavity,

0:28:510:28:54

it penetrates the cavity of the teacup.

0:28:540:28:57

The teacup, as you put it to mouth, is like, you know,

0:28:570:28:59

touching a woman's, you know...

0:28:590:29:01

-Fanny.

-Fanny. Exactly.

0:29:010:29:02

So, you know, it's this object that works in all sorts of

0:29:020:29:06

extraordinary ways and created by a woman.

0:29:060:29:09

Oppenheim spoke later on about where she got her inspiration.

0:29:090:29:12

Wherever it came from, Meret Oppenheim made some

0:29:380:29:42

striking and extraordinary examples of Surrealist sculpture.

0:29:420:29:45

The idea of making sculpture from found objects

0:29:480:29:52

was not a Surrealist invention,

0:29:520:29:54

but they applied their ideas of chance

0:29:540:29:56

and the juxtaposition of incongruous things to the art of the readymade.

0:29:560:30:00

As early as 1921,

0:30:000:30:03

Man Ray had begun making sculptures with combinations of things.

0:30:030:30:08

I pick something which in itself has no meaning at all,

0:30:080:30:12

but I combine it with a second element.

0:30:120:30:15

In the early days in Paris when I first came over and I passed by

0:30:150:30:19

a hardware shop and I saw a flag iron in the window, I said,

0:30:190:30:24

"There's an object which is almost invisible -

0:30:240:30:27

"maybe I could do something with that."

0:30:270:30:29

What could I do is to add something in it that was provocative,

0:30:290:30:33

so I got a box of tacks and glued on a row of tacks to it,

0:30:330:30:37

to make it useless, as I thought.

0:30:370:30:40

But nothing is really useless.

0:30:400:30:42

You can always find a use even for the most extravagant object.

0:30:420:30:47

I disregard completely the aesthetic quality of the object.

0:30:480:30:54

I'm against craftsmanship.

0:30:540:30:56

They say the world is full of wonderful craftsmen,

0:30:560:31:00

but there are very few practical dreamers.

0:31:000:31:03

'To make my own Surrealist object,

0:31:050:31:08

'I've picked one of the most practical dreamers I know -

0:31:080:31:11

'the writer and improvisation teacher John-Paul Flintoff.'

0:31:110:31:15

The horns are quite phallic, aren't they?

0:31:150:31:17

There's a lot of power in that thing.

0:31:170:31:18

This is very powerful, the whole thing.

0:31:180:31:21

'We've come to the Surrealists' old stomping ground.'

0:31:210:31:24

Oh, whoa!

0:31:240:31:25

'The flea markets north of Paris.'

0:31:250:31:28

Oh, look - this is good.

0:31:280:31:30

-A mechanism for making a thing happen.

-Oh!

-More things go in.

0:31:300:31:36

It's the reverse of what you expect. They don't fall out.

0:31:360:31:38

Really feeling the letters. I've got to have some letters.

0:31:380:31:41

I think letters are really important.

0:31:410:31:43

The power of the Surrealist objects

0:31:450:31:47

is often in their surprising combination

0:31:470:31:49

of the domestic and the wild,

0:31:490:31:51

making everyday things into objects of threat or desire.

0:31:510:31:54

It's perfect, and you can unscrew all this and screw other things on!

0:31:560:32:00

-Quarante-trois. Quarante-trois.

-Conclu.

0:32:000:32:04

-Ha-ha-ha!

-Yes!

0:32:040:32:06

Look at that. Just look at that! You know what that is.

0:32:080:32:10

-It's not difficult to work out.

-Look, what is this?

-I can't think!

0:32:100:32:13

Is this speaking to you at all?

0:32:130:32:16

HE LAUGHS Oh, look - more ladies!

0:32:160:32:18

Oh, lots of ladies.

0:32:180:32:21

-Great implement of torture.

-It's great, isn't it?

0:32:210:32:24

If that had our doorknobs on it, it would be a face enclosed by...

0:32:240:32:28

It's so good, actually.

0:32:280:32:30

It's so good.

0:32:300:32:31

Look, we've got to make something with all these things we've bought.

0:32:310:32:35

-Let's do it.

-OK. This looks like a good, empty space.

0:32:350:32:38

No-one will mind if we start assembling this stuff here.

0:32:380:32:41

Are you happy with the ladies being like this?

0:32:460:32:49

Yeah, I think they look like they're having a really nice time.

0:32:490:32:52

-I'd like to break the plate inside the handbag.

-Go on, then.

0:32:540:32:58

That's it. That's what we want. Little bits.

0:33:000:33:04

You know what, I'm actually getting sort of carried away,

0:33:050:33:09

-in a funny way now.

-Yeah, I'm really enjoying this.

0:33:090:33:12

-Are you feeling that as well?

-Totally.

0:33:120:33:14

Whether you make anything good or not, it's not really the point.

0:33:180:33:22

'Man Ray thought the same.'

0:33:220:33:24

I've never been able to finish a detective story

0:33:240:33:27

because I don't give a hag who was the murderer.

0:33:270:33:30

Oh, no. It doesn't interest me at all.

0:33:300:33:33

It's the process -

0:33:330:33:34

the mental process that's involved that interests me.

0:33:340:33:36

Process was key to them.

0:33:420:33:45

Max Ernst wrote later about how difficult it was at the start

0:33:450:33:48

for painters and sculptors to find ways of working

0:33:480:33:51

that fitted Breton's vision of Surrealism.

0:33:510:33:54

For some, the answer came

0:33:540:33:56

in literally taking a knife to the everyday -

0:33:560:33:59

cutting it into new visions of the world.

0:33:590:34:01

In the early '20s,

0:34:010:34:03

Ernst's fellow Dada artist Hannah Hoch made collages of images

0:34:030:34:07

and texts from the mass media

0:34:070:34:09

as a tool to critique the German Weimar government.

0:34:090:34:12

Ernst had developed his own knack of combining found images

0:34:120:34:16

from encyclopaedia, department store catalogues and popular novels

0:34:160:34:20

to create an unsettling world that was grounded in the familiar

0:34:200:34:23

but rendered new and strange.

0:34:230:34:25

Like found sculpture, his collages

0:34:280:34:31

worked to disrupt hierarchy and logic.

0:34:310:34:34

The images from high and low culture were mixed up together,

0:34:340:34:38

all cut loose from their original meaning.

0:34:380:34:40

He invented the idea of a sort of collage novel.

0:34:430:34:46

The last of these, Une Semaine de Bonte - A Week Of Kindness -

0:34:460:34:51

is a favourite of the English conceptual artist, John Stezaker,

0:34:510:34:54

who's built his own work around collage from found photographs.

0:34:540:34:58

I had a postcard collection ever since I was a young teenager,

0:34:580:35:03

and when I started to find film stills in the mid '70s,

0:35:030:35:07

it was obvious, I had these two collections -

0:35:070:35:09

to put a postcard on top of the film still seemed absolutely magical.

0:35:090:35:12

It was a moment in which I suddenly thought, "A-ha! Yes!

0:35:120:35:15

"It works perfectly."

0:35:150:35:16

What do you think Ernst is trying to do in Une Semaine de Bonte?

0:35:170:35:21

Do you think it's something about...he was taking

0:35:210:35:25

Edwardian and Victorian imagery from prints and stuff

0:35:250:35:30

and by cutting it up, was he trying to cut up the old world order

0:35:300:35:33

-and create something new?

-I imagine they probably were.

0:35:330:35:36

So they come from a world that was before he was born,

0:35:360:35:39

and I find that...

0:35:390:35:40

I'm attracted in a similar way to the 1940s,

0:35:400:35:42

the world before I was born,

0:35:420:35:44

and I think there is an interest in old or obsolete images

0:35:440:35:48

which relates to it belonging to a world you haven't experienced.

0:35:480:35:53

But it's just before so you're always curious about it.

0:35:530:35:56

There's definitely something Oedipal about it. I think you're right.

0:35:560:35:59

I think it is about tearing up the world order.

0:35:590:36:03

Funnily enough, I hardly ever dream.

0:36:030:36:06

I know all these people say,

0:36:060:36:07

"Oh, you mean you don't remember your dreams."

0:36:070:36:09

After a spell in hospital

0:36:090:36:11

I found I was having these incredibly intense dreams,

0:36:110:36:14

and these were the response in a sense

0:36:140:36:17

to this new power of the dream,

0:36:170:36:20

and somehow the dream world and the cinema world

0:36:200:36:23

started to kind of merge with one another again, and I started...

0:36:230:36:28

Funnily enough, it was kind of re-excited...

0:36:280:36:30

re-animated my interest in Surrealism

0:36:300:36:32

because of that connection.

0:36:320:36:34

Do you see the dream world as real

0:36:340:36:38

as what we think of as the real world?

0:36:380:36:41

I think it's probably more real.

0:36:410:36:43

-You're a true Surrealist, then!

-Perhaps I am!

0:36:430:36:47

Cos that's what they did.

0:36:470:36:49

That's what surreality means - it means super real.

0:36:490:36:52

It means as real as anything else.

0:36:520:36:55

I like the idea of being a sub-realist, somehow.

0:36:550:36:58

Going beneath reality.

0:36:580:37:00

It wasn't just found images that appealed to them,

0:37:060:37:09

but from the very beginning, the Surrealists used the camera

0:37:090:37:13

as a tool to unsettle you from the comfort of your own perceptions.

0:37:130:37:16

In a similar way to Magritte, they wanted you to see that the world

0:37:160:37:21

you think you're living in isn't so solid, either,

0:37:210:37:23

and it's already full of strange and marvellous things.

0:37:230:37:27

Arno Minkkinen is a Finnish-American photographer

0:37:310:37:34

who is still finding ways

0:37:340:37:36

to use his camera to reveal impossible images taken from life.

0:37:360:37:40

The most surreal things are attached somehow to photography.

0:37:420:37:46

When you see something that you haven't seen before,

0:37:510:37:54

the first expression inside you is one of astonishment and shock.

0:37:540:37:59

Ah, it's really come out, hasn't it?

0:38:280:38:31

Yeah.

0:38:310:38:33

-This is all white.

-Yeah.

0:38:330:38:36

So it's right to my feet. I don't see the dock at all.

0:38:370:38:42

So many of those great Surrealist women went from muse to model

0:38:450:38:49

to maker of work in their own right, so I might as well give it a go.

0:38:490:38:53

-Do you want my coat off for the drawing purpose?

-Er...

0:38:550:38:59

I mean, yeah, that might be better. Yeah, that's better.

0:38:590:39:02

Yeah. Terrific. OK.

0:39:020:39:04

Photography is to show us the truth.

0:39:080:39:12

Reality is much more inventive than we are.

0:39:120:39:16

We invent out of what we know.

0:39:160:39:18

The photograph shows us what we don't know.

0:39:180:39:21

What happens inside your mind can happen inside a camera.

0:39:210:39:25

BIRDSONG

0:39:260:39:28

OK. I'm going to fire from here...

0:39:330:39:36

CLICK

0:39:360:39:37

-Great. OK.

-Hm-mm.

0:39:370:39:40

-Are we done?

-Yeah, we're done.

0:39:420:39:44

You know, I might put some clothes on!

0:39:440:39:47

THEY LAUGH

0:39:470:39:48

-There is a sauna in there, if you want to...

-Oh, is there? Right.

0:39:490:39:52

-Yeah.

-I don't know where I'm going!

0:39:520:39:54

-More white. You can see the drawings.

-Oh, yeah!

0:39:580:40:02

-Oh, it really works!

-It worked.

0:40:020:40:05

And we have the drawing at this stage,

0:40:050:40:08

where we can see the little cartoon character.

0:40:080:40:12

-It's my inner child, isn't it?

-Yeah, that's the child.

0:40:120:40:16

SHE LAUGHS

0:40:160:40:17

The greatest affinity to Man Ray,

0:40:190:40:22

for me, is in his desire to see something new.

0:40:220:40:25

Man Ray had developed a technique which he called the Rayograph,

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named after himself,

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where he placed the objects directly onto the photographic paper.

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The Surrealists admired the beauty

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of these images produced by relying on random chance.

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So it's going to be a Rayograph...

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This is wire, cos he likes wire. Wire.

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It would rattle a little bit like that, lift some of it up

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so that some of it is out of focus, some of it's in focus...

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That's beautiful.

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Wired out of magnifying glass, right in there,

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and we have this lovely Italian nutcracker here.

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We can put it right into the magnifying glass.

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See what happens to her.

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And, er, there could be this sort of a triangle there,

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just like...something. And we'll take the match...

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HE STRIKES MATCH

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That's the exposure.

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Now we take all these things off and we lost the picture,

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can never get it back the same way.

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I'm going to use my bare hands, cos this is real primitive stuff.

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And now the whole paper will be... Have a black edge, certainly.

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-Something's coming.

-Yep. Oh, it's coming up.

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There she is, so there's the Rayograph.

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I love the wire going out of focus...

0:42:040:42:07

Oh, no, it's not... It's the magnifying glass - it's wonderful.

0:42:070:42:09

Yeah.

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So we take that out of here... I'll just put it right here.

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And now we can put the light on already. It doesn't really matter.

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And of course,

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you have the opportunity of doing these kinds of things.

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-He was a master of these edges, not just the centre.

-Yeah.

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As well as stills photography,

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Man Ray was also experimenting with film.

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In this 1923 film Le Retour a la Raison - Return To Reason -

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he extended his Rayograph technique to the moving image.

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He sprinkled salt and pepper

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onto one piece of film, and pins onto another!

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But the most radical piece of Surreal cinema

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would come from a new direction.

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Luis Bunuel and Salvador Dali had been college friends.

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Neither of them had ever made a film before,

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but both were desperate to break into the tight-knit Surrealist gang.

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They set out to make a piece of cinema that would match

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what they knew the Surrealists liked - random chance and dreams.

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They tried to make their film a collage of dream-like images

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and irrational associations deliberately without a story,

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using title cards to jump back and forth in time

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and disrupt any possibility of it making sense.

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The film premiered in this cinema in Paris in June 1929.

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The great and the good of the Paris art world were there,

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including Le Corbusier,

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Picasso and Gala Eluard, who would later become Gala Dali.

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MUSIC PLAYS

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Luis Bunuel said that when this film first showed,

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he was behind the projection screen with his pockets full of stones,

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ready to throw them at the audience if they hated the film!

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But much to his disappointment, they quite liked it!

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We are meaning-making creatures.

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When we are presented with a collection of disjointed things,

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our minds will always bridge the gaps.

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Even these art students that we showed the film to today

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couldn't help but try to make sense of it.

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There were definitely underlying threads and themes that went

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along with the whole thing.

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Kind of reflects the way that spring and winter

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are a balance of life and death.

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-I think it's about love.

-OK!

-Yeah.

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I wasn't quite sure what to make of all the different scenes,

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but I was looking for threads.

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Other than that, it was just... gobsmacked and confused,

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but I did enjoy it.

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Whatever its successes and failures as a piece of cinema,

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the film certainly succeeded on winning Bunuel and Dali

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their place in the Surrealist fold.

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After the premiere, they attended the Surrealist daily meetings

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at the cafe or at Breton's studio.

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One of the striking things about how to be a Surrealist

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is that you can't do it on your own!

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The group was tremendously important to the early Surrealists.

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They met every day,

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they shared their experience of their unconscious with each other,

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and I know from being a member of similar groups,

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albeit psychotherapy groups,

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just how intense and bonding that experience can be.

0:46:300:46:34

Breton dealt with differences by chucking out whoever

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he thought transgressed Surrealist ideals.

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He tried to police Surrealism in so many ways!

0:46:420:46:45

He said, "You can't design for the ballet,

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"you can't paint shit on trousers, you can't be a homosexual,

0:46:480:46:52

"you can't take pictures of his wife, you can't be a Catholic..."

0:46:520:46:55

He wanted to control their politics,

0:46:550:46:58

their sexuality, their religion.

0:46:580:47:01

But in the end, the big "can't" was that you can't police Surrealism.

0:47:010:47:06

Hear that, Breton? You can't police Surrealism.

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What had begun as the outpourings

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of the unconscious mind of the artist -

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a series of experiments and processes -

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expanded into a dazzling mix of styles and techniques.

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All under the umbrella of Surrealism.

0:47:230:47:25

When the Surrealists came to London

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for the International Surrealist Exhibition of 1936,

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the Great British public didn't know quite what to make of them.

0:47:320:47:37

The world of dreams is a strange world,

0:47:370:47:40

which most of us visit only in our sleep.

0:47:400:47:42

The whole aim of Surrealism is to explore this realm

0:47:420:47:47

and to bring it into relation with our daily life.

0:47:470:47:51

Dali turned up with a deep-sea diving suit,

0:47:520:47:55

all the better to descend into the subconscious mind,

0:47:550:47:58

and the whole thing nearly ended in disaster when he tried to

0:47:580:48:02

deliver a lecture from inside the suit and nearly suffocated.

0:48:020:48:06

He was only rescued at the last minute by a poet with a spanner.

0:48:060:48:09

Later, of course, he would become the grand showman of Surrealism.

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Indeed, at one point, he was arguably the most famous artist

0:48:150:48:18

in the world, and he was rarely modest about it.

0:48:180:48:21

Dali chose to execute his paintings in a hyperrealistic style.

0:49:050:49:09

He was once a fervent believer in the artistic possibilities

0:49:110:49:15

of tapping into the unconscious.

0:49:150:49:17

This work, The Metamorphosis Of Narcissus,

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was the first example of his approach

0:49:270:49:30

to painting the unconscious mind.

0:49:300:49:32

You know when you see a paper bag and at first it isn't a paper bag -

0:49:350:49:40

it's an incredibly detailed cat, and you're absolutely certain

0:49:400:49:43

it's a cat - you think, "Oh! It's a cat - it's about to get run over!"

0:49:430:49:47

And then your mind does a bit more processing and it's a paper bag...

0:49:470:49:52

We've all had that thing when we see something,

0:49:520:49:56

we're sure it's that thing or that person, and then it isn't.

0:49:560:50:02

Dali was really interested in this first impression we get,

0:50:020:50:07

which might be our lasting impression, but it's the one

0:50:070:50:12

we see through this lens of paranoia,

0:50:120:50:14

and he called this way of seeing his "paranoiac-critical method".

0:50:140:50:19

What he's done here is like two images that look very, very similar

0:50:190:50:25

but they're actually depicting completely different things.

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One's a thumb and a finger holding an egg with a narcissus coming up,

0:50:280:50:32

and the other is the actual figure of Narcissus himself

0:50:320:50:37

looking into the pond, but they look the same.

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It's trying to convey to the viewer that he wanted you to see

0:50:400:50:44

that one shape could be both things or many things, indeed.

0:50:440:50:50

It is showing us the unconscious,

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not because the movement of the painting or the brush strokes

0:50:520:50:56

is an unconscious process like it is in automatic drawing,

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but because he's showing you the tricks your mind plays on you.

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In the summer of 1938,

0:51:060:51:08

he took this painting with him when he went to see Sigmund Freud.

0:51:080:51:12

Freud wrote afterwards in a letter to a friend,

0:51:120:51:15

"I really have to thank you for the introduction which brought me

0:51:150:51:19

"yesterday's visitors, for until then,

0:51:190:51:23

"I was inclined to look upon the Surrealists, who have apparently

0:51:230:51:26

"chosen me as their patron saint, as absolute cranks.

0:51:260:51:30

"The young Spaniard, however, with his candid and fanatical eyes,

0:51:300:51:36

"and his undeniable technical mastery,

0:51:360:51:39

"has made me reconsider my opinion."

0:51:390:51:42

These enormous efforts they were making to overthrow the conventions

0:51:440:51:47

of society and find a truth beyond our lived reality

0:51:470:51:50

had been taking place against a backdrop

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of the rise of fascism in Europe.

0:51:540:51:56

At the end of the '30s,

0:52:020:52:03

Europe was becoming a pretty dangerous place,

0:52:030:52:06

especially if you were, in the eyes of the incoming Nazis,

0:52:060:52:09

a degenerate artist, so many of the Surrealists came to America,

0:52:090:52:12

especially here, New York.

0:52:120:52:15

JAZZ MUSIC

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Art historian Robert Hobbs has written extensively about

0:52:300:52:34

the American art scene in the '40s.

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How were the Surrealists received in America?

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Well, the Surrealists came in several different groups,

0:52:400:52:42

but they were received exceedingly well.

0:52:420:52:46

Andre Breton came soon after Paris fell

0:52:460:52:50

and he was the great hope of Surrealism.

0:52:500:52:53

Max Ernst came over and he ended up marrying Peggy Guggenheim.

0:52:540:52:58

But mainly, the Surrealists mixed with very different circles

0:52:590:53:04

than the American artist,

0:53:040:53:06

and so they were well-accepted by collectors, you know,

0:53:060:53:10

any number of people in New York, er...but the young artists

0:53:100:53:14

-who were aspiring regarded them as old-fashioned.

-Uh-huh.

0:53:140:53:18

A bit fusty.

0:53:180:53:20

They regarded them as not the most current avant-garde, even though

0:53:200:53:25

the galleries and museums regarded them as the ruling avant garde.

0:53:250:53:31

While the European Surrealists were busy swanning around

0:53:310:53:34

at Peggy Guggenheim's parties, Breton's original ideas were being

0:53:340:53:38

taken up by a new wave of American artists.

0:53:380:53:41

I think when one looks at the abstract expressionists

0:53:410:53:45

in relation to the Surrealists,

0:53:450:53:46

one of the things that's very fascinating is the Americans

0:53:460:53:49

did go back to the very beginnings of Surrealism,

0:53:490:53:53

so rather than picking up Surrealism in the 1940s and saying,

0:53:530:53:57

we're going to continue with late Surrealism,

0:53:570:54:00

which they felt was out-of-date and old-fashioned,

0:54:000:54:03

as I've mentioned before,

0:54:030:54:05

they wanted to go back to the very beginnings of Surrealism

0:54:050:54:10

to create a truer, more authentic Surrealism,

0:54:100:54:14

and so the two really sprang from a common root, or common beginning.

0:54:140:54:18

While the next wave of modern art was borne in response to

0:54:220:54:25

Breton's ideas of pure psychic autonomism,

0:54:250:54:28

a lot of the innovations they'd made in image-making,

0:54:280:54:32

combinations of incongruous things,

0:54:320:54:34

putting objects in impossible settings, wordplay - indeed,

0:54:340:54:38

the whole iconography of that particular Surrealist style,

0:54:380:54:42

was adopted wholesale into the world of advertising.

0:54:420:54:45

Magritte had been an ad man in his time, and he understood the pleasure

0:54:530:54:56

there is in connecting the dots, in getting the joke.

0:54:560:55:00

What would Breton say today if he saw his ideas being used not

0:55:000:55:04

to unsettle us from our bourgeois reality,

0:55:040:55:06

but to sell credit cards?!

0:55:060:55:08

The funny thing is,

0:55:090:55:11

that these artists who tried to do everything they could

0:55:110:55:15

to disrupt established ideas and to tear up social conventions

0:55:150:55:20

were now mainstream celebrities.

0:55:200:55:23

First, it dissolves.

0:55:230:55:24

Happy bubbles, but dissolved bubbles.

0:55:240:55:27

Breton called Dali "Avida Dollars", an anagram of Salvador Dali, because

0:55:300:55:35

he seemed to have sold out and would do anything for American money.

0:55:350:55:41

..so those beautiful places will be beautiful again.

0:55:410:55:44

Alka-Seltzer is a work of art. Truly one of a kind, like a Dali.

0:55:440:55:49

Watching him later, this look-at-me eccentric,

0:55:520:55:55

it's hard to remember that he was once an earnest disciple

0:55:550:55:59

of the movement, and it's a shame that for many people,

0:55:590:56:02

the image of Surrealism has got reduced to

0:56:020:56:06

that weird Sunday supplement kind of sexy

0:56:060:56:09

and posters in teenage boys' bedrooms,

0:56:090:56:12

because that is really the least interesting part of the whole thing.

0:56:120:56:16

I think because of what has lingered of Surrealism, you know,

0:56:180:56:22

the paintings of Magritte and Dali,

0:56:220:56:25

people think that IS Surrealism, and it isn't - it's more than that.

0:56:250:56:31

It's about discovering the unconscious.

0:56:310:56:34

What was amazing when I set up the pop-up bureau

0:56:360:56:39

was people off the street

0:56:390:56:42

and how quickly they got to their inner realities and what

0:56:420:56:46

they found out about themselves, you know, just in five minutes.

0:56:460:56:51

It was incredible. So I imagine it was pretty mind-blowing

0:56:510:56:54

for the Surrealists when they discovered similar things.

0:56:540:56:58

I'm thrilled by what I've found out about the Surrealists.

0:56:580:57:02

It isn't a style.

0:57:020:57:04

It is a philosophy,

0:57:040:57:05

and it's a philosophy that we might go back to from time to time to help

0:57:050:57:09

us with our own discovering of our own outer lives and our inner lives.

0:57:090:57:15

The Surrealists tried to tap into that huge wellspring

0:57:180:57:22

of creativity that we have in our unconscious minds, and they

0:57:220:57:26

did that in reaction to the crisis of world politics of 100 years ago.

0:57:260:57:30

I can't help but feel that this art form, borne of troubled times,

0:57:330:57:38

is actually relevant to where we are today.

0:57:380:57:41

Looking around, it's no wonder

0:57:460:57:48

that so many people think the world is a little surreal.

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