Trump on Culture: Brave New World?


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America.

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Land of the free, home of the brave.

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For much more than fourscore and seven years now,

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this country has been a leading light of the world,

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the source of some of the greatest achievements

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in arts and science for generations.

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But something has changed in recent months.

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Something rather...tangible.

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Oh, yes.

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That.

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Over the past 18 months,

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Donald Trump has erupted

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onto America's political and cultural landscape

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with unprecedented force.

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His braggadocious personality was already familiar to Americans

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from his years as a reality TV star.

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For a long time, though, few seriously thought

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that he'd succeed in his bid for the White House.

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But as he gathered momentum in the closing months of the election,

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reactions to Trump were about as subtle as the man himself.

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Much of the creative community across the worlds of cinema,

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television, music and art seem united in their opposition to him.

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But what's his real impact upon culture going to be?

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Mr Trump.

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Quiet, quiet.

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Brash.

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No, not you.

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Got a fast mouth, unpredictable.

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Don't be rude.

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I like his cut.

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I've travelled across America

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meeting those who love

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and loathe the man in equal measure...

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We need a strong...a father figure.

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A masculine figure, finally, in the White House.

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-CHEERING

-Thank you.

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I don't think that Trump really cares about anybody.

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God bless America.

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I feel a storm brewing.

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..to find out what his own tastes can tell us about the man,

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how the arts and entertainment industries have responded

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to his first hundred days,

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and what the broader implications might be in the age of Trump.

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So hold on, because I think we may be in for a bumpy ride.

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So how on earth did we get here?

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The ascent of Trump to the White House was an event

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that next to nobody in the world of culture saw coming.

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Artists were blindsided when he took pole position

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in the electoral college last November.

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The pure divide between one half of the country and the other half,

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the inability for the two sides to talk,

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it feels very much like the pro- and anti-Vietnam War camps

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in the '60s in the United States -

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that we are so diametrically opposed in our thinking

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that there's no common ground on which to have any kind of discourse.

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I don't believe he has any real convictions.

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And therefore, he's capable of anything.

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I think that's what makes people so nervous.

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When someone has an ideology, then you can more or less predict

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what they're going to do in any given situation.

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With Trump, all bets are off.

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I think it is very much a pop culture sensibility.

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He watches television, he watches shows that he likes,

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he's concerned about ratings,

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so we have a pop culture president,

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in a way I think we've never had before.

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So far, a lot of the outrage about Trump

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has stemmed from this one big idea -

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that he's this gauche and brash vulgarian, a buffoon,

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this philistine who has zero feeling for and understanding of the arts.

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But I'm not sure it's quite so simple,

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and to understand a little more about the man,

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I've been reading this, his 1987 bestseller,

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The Art Of The Deal.

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Admittedly, not a word of it was written by the Donald himself -

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the entire thing was ghosted by the journalist Tony Schwartz,

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but nevertheless, it still contains plenty of insights

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into Trump's feelings for and attitude towards the arts.

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For one thing, he has a fanatical obsession with architecture,

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taking enormous pride in the skyscrapers

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he has scattered around Manhattan.

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Then there's the early desire to be an actor,

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an ambition that arguably came to fruition

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in his many, many film and television cameos.

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Look, without Derek Zoolander,

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male modelling wouldn't be what it is today.

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Or the bit where he gives his second grade teacher a black eye,

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because the young Donald didn't think the teacher

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knew enough about...music.

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Now, this may not be enormously popular, but actually,

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it is a little misleading to say that Trump

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is wholly uninterested in the world of culture.

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Take his towers.

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For the young property tycoon,

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his greatest achievement was the construction

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of his eponymous stronghold on Fifth Avenue.

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To make way for Trump Tower,

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another building that was on the same site,

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occupied by this department store called Bonwit Teller,

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had to be demolished, not without controversy.

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After agreeing to donate two historic Art Deco friezes

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to the Metropolitan Museum of Art,

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Trump baulked at the cost of saving them,

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and reneged completely on his promise,

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and he wrote in The Art Of The Deal

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that he ordered his guys to rip them down.

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The Bonwit Teller building had further significance in art history.

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In 1961, it was the site of an important display

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of Andy Warhol's breakthrough pop paintings.

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Two decades later, Andy was to come into the orbit of Trump,

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who was then midway through construction

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of his Fifth Avenue skyscraper.

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Encouraged by Trump,

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Warhol worked on this series of portraits of Trump Tower

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that he hoped one day would hang in the skyscraper's lobby,

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but unfortunately for him,

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the viewing of the eight finished paintings

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didn't really go very well.

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He recorded in his diary that,

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"Mr Trump was very upset,

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"because he didn't feel

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"that they were sufficiently colour-coordinated."

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So, much to Warhol's irritation,

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his paintings, sadly, remained unsold.

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# Ain't there one damn song that can make me

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# Break down and cry? #

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His own aesthetic is recognisable the world over

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for its gaudy, glittering bling.

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This house is an incredible piece of fantasy architecture

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in tropical South Florida.

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In 1999, Loyd Grossman visited Trump's palatial country club

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of Mar-a-Lago in Through The Keyhole.

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Now, the theme of this room is fairy tales,

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and particularly the tale of Sleeping Beauty,

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and it's a real tour de force.

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Just look at some of the details.

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With its full-length portrait

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of Trump in cricket gear, detractors see the building

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as a monument to his own ego.

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There's a fantasy about Mar-a-Lago.

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You walk into it, and...

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You feel as though you are in another place.

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It's, er...

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It's architecturally fascinating.

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Celebrated interior designer Carleton Varney

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not only maintains a residence minutes from Mar-a-Lago,

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but also has lived two floors below Donald Trump

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in New York's Trump Tower for the past three decades.

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All right, so, this is me with Rosalynn Carter.

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This is the Obama invite to the party.

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That's Jean Kennedy.

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Having redecorated the White House in the past,

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does he think that Trump's style tells us anything about the man?

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There's something in him that radiates to...

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..things that are...

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..not of the manner...

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..classically born.

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I think he is a person of fantasy in every way.

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Not only because of his personality,

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but because of his...de rigueur, his look.

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There's nothing mundane about Donald Trump.

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So Trump has always been the formidable presence

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we see on our screens today.

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But now that he occupies the highest office in the land,

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arguably even in the world,

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what does the art world make of him today?

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It might seem that the art world is in open revolt

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against America's new president.

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Some of New York's galleries have held exhibitions

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denouncing Trump in the immediate aftermath of his election...

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..while artists like Ai Weiwei and Shepard Fairey

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haven't held back, either.

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And away from the big cities,

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artists across the country are also responding.

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The bus I've been travelling on was once a campaign vehicle

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in the weeks after Donald Trump first announced his candidacy.

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But its purpose seems to have evolved a bit since then.

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Now it is owned and operated by artists

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who've been engaged in political activism for a decade.

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This, I have to say, is exceptionally surreal.

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You were, what, following him as he went around the country, or...?

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Well, the bus only goes 50mph and he has a jet!

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-THEY LAUGH

-So ...

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We would look at the primary schedule for what states that day

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was the primary, and we'd go to all the Trump rallies we could get to.

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And so, basically, it was kind of a protest artwork

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that had followed the Trump schedule around the country.

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I mean, it's fascinating,

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because I know you call it an artwork,

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but it also is clearly a piece of political protest, really.

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So, which is it primarily for you? Is it art, or is it protest?

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Oh, no, for me, it's mostly a piece of art.

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I mean, my work tends to focus on politics and economics,

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and so I think that art needs to be more present in those fields.

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We never say we're protesters, we always say we're artists,

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and this is an artwork about Donald Trump,

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so just by eliminating that word from the conversation,

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we were able to engage with people much more.

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What about the reactions that you got when you were driving

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around in the campaigns?

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Did it ever turn violent or aggressive?

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I'd say the last month, six weeks before the election,

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people would yell at us, "Kill them, bomb them,"

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things like that, it got very violent.

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'Prolific authors Paul Auster and Siri Hustvedt

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'also aren't fans of Donald Trump.'

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Why is it that, you know, many, many, the majority of artists,

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writers, cultural people, just instinctively dislike the man?

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SHE CHUCKLES

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-Uh...

-You mean, aside from the fact that he's a vulgar brute?

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SHE CHUCKLES

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I mean, his political positions are obnoxious, he's obnoxious,

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and he seems to have, as you say,

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nothing but a philistine's taste in art,

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so, why would artists think that he was someone interesting?

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He's not.

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Um, he's an appalling creature,

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and he's so unqualified to be president,

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he knows almost nothing.

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You are both writers, you are both artists in that broad sense -

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what should artists do?

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Is there a responsibility, a sort of moral obligation upon artists,

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do you believe, to react, to respond?

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Yes, I think that artists have,

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and will continue to ally themselves,

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with the resistance movement as a whole.

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And I think that agitprop can be valuable, overtly political art,

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but it's often, er, schematic, er, shallow...

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You can't dictate what kind of art artists should make,

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because, you know, a novel about a tea party on Fifth Avenue

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might be the most heartbreaking, important work of the decade.

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-It's impossible to know.

-Is there a...?

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In a funny way, is there a sort of...?

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This will sound perhaps perverse, paradoxical,

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-but might Trump be a force for good in the culture?

-I think so.

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I think the enlivening, not just of resistance,

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but of the kind of humour

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and creativity that is...made under pressure

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will be part of the Trump era.

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While writers see some reasons to be cheerful under Trump,

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readers are turning to dystopian fiction in their droves.

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Naturally, Nineteen-Eighty-Four is suddenly

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on the bestseller list.

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I think most readers who are resorting

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to dystopian fiction right now are from the left.

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It's just a way of comforting yourself with discomfort.

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It's saying there is a good reason that you are upset about this,

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you are on the side of right because you are trying to prevent

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this from happening to your country.

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The other thing that I think is a positive response to Trump

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is this new birth of activism across the country.

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I think, for the first time,

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women are leading the Resist movement,

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that there are more active women than ever before,

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and they are not followers, but actually leaders.

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-CHANTING:

-Hey-hey! Ho-ho! Donald Trump has got to go!

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Hey-hey! Ho-ho...

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Donald Trump's election has mobilised women across the world,

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incensed by the misogynistic comments he's made over decades.

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Even before last January's women's march,

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Trump had been inspiring feminist work,

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like this video from Pussy Riot's Nadya Tolokonnikova,

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who was imprisoned in Russia for her political protest art.

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# Listen to your women

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# Stop killing black children

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# Make America great again... #

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So, the video is about how, um,

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how America could look like

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under the Trump administration,

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and obviously, it will be pretty violent towards women.

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And under Trump, that suddenly...?

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Under Trump, it became a really big topic,

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but it's not just about America,

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it's about the whole world,

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and I honestly live without borders, so that's why I'm helping

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my American friends to bring up this issue,

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which is really important.

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And I was disappointed with Trump, too, and we just wanted to slap him.

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He just said that we don't need, actually,

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to fund programmes for women who are victims of domestic violence,

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we just don't need it.

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He said that it's a waste.

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I was watching the video, and, you know, because it is satire,

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in some ways, it is quite broad-brush,

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you know, women get branded.

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Now, clearly, that's not happening in America, so, is there a sense...?

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Oh, it is, it's happening.

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When you're a girl and you're 13 years old,

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and your President calls a woman "fat pig",

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she is branded.

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It is what is called stigmatisation.

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And the President is a big figure -

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every time when you watch the news, you see his face,

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and he is saying terrible things about women.

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What do you think artists should do in America, in a time like this,

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if they oppose Trump, personally, politically?

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Should they feel they have a responsibility

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to make protest art?

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I'm just trying to think, not just about what will happen tomorrow,

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or in one year,

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but what will happen after 50 years.

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I think you just have to take your hands and do something.

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Ah, I can see this Astroturf plinth, Brian...

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Brooklyn artist Brian Whitely found himself under

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the full scrutiny of the law when he provocatively erected

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a gravestone bearing Trump's name

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in Central Park last year.

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-With the Police Department sticker!

-Yeah. Evidence.

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-Oh, in fact, an evidence tag! Right, fantastic.

-Evidence tags.

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As I understand it, the Secret Service,

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they saw this thing as a death threat to Trump.

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Yeah. I get the knock on the door,

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and two Secret Service guys and two...

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Intimidating people?

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Yeah! Two NYPD officers in suits.

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I was fingerprinted, photographed,

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I'm on a Secret Service watchlist.

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Suddenly, it starts to sound kind of Kafkaesque, very dark.

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Yeah, it does, it becomes, um, a bit troubling.

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But at the same time, I was within my rights.

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At the end of the day, after the interrogation,

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the piece was, um...it was brought down to a littering fine,

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because that's all that they could actually get me on in New York.

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But do you not think - I mean, slightly to play devil's advocate -

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if a tombstone had appeared overnight during Obama's presidency

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saying, "Barack Obama, born...", you know, the same thing

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would have happened, surely?

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Or you feel that something has changed?

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I think something has changed.

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Everything, for me, ties back to what Trump's been campaigning upon -

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alternative media and alt-right people are now

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becoming more into the mainstream, so you see more hate crimes

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going on in this country and less denouncement of that.

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He was condemning the First Amendment, saying,

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well, maybe this First Amendment is a little too liberal for his taste.

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The First Amendment being, we can say...

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people in America are allowed to say whatever they wish.

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Freedom of speech.

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What about, more specifically,

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the issue of Trump's impact on the arts?

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Well, I think it's changed the dynamic, for sure.

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I mean, for me, being, like, one of the first artists

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to do a piece, like, I knew immediately

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when he was campaigning that I had to respond,

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and you're seeing it more so now than ever.

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I don't see a lot of artist peers of mine

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who are sitting in their studios, doing, you know,

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abstract expressionism or something like that.

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They are focused on politics now.

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Trump's first 100 days in office were a blizzard of activity...

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..with North Korea,

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travel bans,

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meetings with foreign leaders

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and the Syrian crisis dominating the news agenda.

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Apart from picking fights with Hollywood stars on Twitter,

0:18:420:18:46

Trump's only real engagement with the world of culture

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has been a series of quarrels over federal funding

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for the National Endowments for the Arts and the Humanities.

0:18:520:18:56

These agencies, roughly equivalent to the Arts Council in Britain,

0:18:560:18:59

were once located in this Washington building -

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now, ironically, a Trump Hotel.

0:19:020:19:05

In his draft budget last March,

0:19:060:19:09

the President proposed eradicating them entirely.

0:19:090:19:12

But, after much brinkmanship with Congress,

0:19:120:19:15

they have now been awarded almost 4 million extra,

0:19:150:19:19

though the threat of elimination still looms on the horizon.

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How would you characterise Trump's attitude

0:19:260:19:28

towards the arts in general?

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Americans For The Arts, among the things that we do,

0:19:300:19:33

we survey all the presidential candidates.

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Donald Trump's answer was that he loved the arts,

0:19:340:19:38

but when asked about funding of the arts, public money,

0:19:380:19:41

what he said was, "I would leave that to Congress."

0:19:410:19:44

So, that's pro-arts in attitude, unclear about public policy.

0:19:440:19:49

But how much money are we talking here?

0:19:490:19:51

Well, it's symbolic.

0:19:510:19:53

We're talking about 46 cents a person in America, that's tiny...

0:19:530:19:57

-In a year?

-Yeah, in a year, 46 cents per person.

0:19:570:20:02

Why should the government be funding the arts?

0:20:020:20:05

I think that the case for the advancement and the support

0:20:050:20:08

of the arts starts off with the fact that the American public wants it.

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89% of the American public in polling says they want art

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in the lives of their children.

0:20:160:20:18

They want art in schools as part of their curriculum.

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It's a small percentage of people

0:20:220:20:24

that actually are against public funding for the arts

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but they're very vocal.

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It's also very true that the arts are an economic impact benefit,

0:20:280:20:32

they're a jobs benefit, all the data shows that as well.

0:20:320:20:35

So this must feel like a very strange time

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to be forced to continue to make that case

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with Donald Trump as president.

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It comes up in the entire history of our country again and again.

0:20:440:20:49

There are forces that want things

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like the arts and culture in their lives,

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with the help of government,

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and there are forces that want everybody to be on their own.

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32 years ago, the Reagan administration

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put forward elimination of the arts.

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That was turned around and the funding of the arts was kept.

0:21:050:21:09

There have been many attempts to eliminate

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the National Endowments for the Arts and Humanities,

0:21:120:21:14

and there have been attacks on the corporate broadcasting system

0:21:140:21:16

all along - this is nothing new. These things go to Congress.

0:21:160:21:19

Congress ultimately decides what the budget is going to be.

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A lot of people felt somewhat complacent that Trump

0:21:220:21:25

wouldn't actually propose these cuts to begin with.

0:21:250:21:27

But anybody who's predicting anything about American politics

0:21:270:21:30

at this point is likely to be chastened by reality.

0:21:300:21:33

Throughout this political gridlock, many have rushed

0:21:330:21:37

to ridicule Donald Trump.

0:21:370:21:39

100 days in office, so many accomplishments -

0:21:430:21:46

lowered my golf handicap,

0:21:460:21:47

my Twitter following increased by 700,

0:21:470:21:50

and finally, we can shoot hibernating bears.

0:21:500:21:52

My boys will love that.

0:21:520:21:54

Sir, here's a new bill that you must read immediately.

0:21:540:21:56

It lowers taxes for only Republicans.

0:21:560:21:59

-Can't Fox News read it and I'll watch what they say?

-No.

0:21:590:22:02

You have to read it.

0:22:020:22:03

Oh, God, this is horrible.

0:22:050:22:08

This was supposed to last me the whole four years.

0:22:090:22:12

And he's caused more than a few family feuds.

0:22:140:22:18

I'm the one who's got all the heavy hitters supporting me.

0:22:180:22:21

I mean, I have got the cream of the crop.

0:22:210:22:24

I've got Sarah Palin.

0:22:240:22:26

I've got Chachi. And get this,

0:22:260:22:30

I've even got the best Baldwin brother -

0:22:300:22:32

Stephen Baldwin.

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LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

0:22:340:22:36

What do I think of my big brother's impersonation?

0:22:360:22:39

Erm... Brilliant.

0:22:390:22:41

Very funny...

0:22:410:22:43

Technically, when it comes to the comedy stuff.

0:22:430:22:47

I got in trouble when I said that

0:22:470:22:49

I didn't think his impersonation was funny.

0:22:490:22:52

What I really said in the context of it was I didn't think

0:22:520:22:56

some of the stuff they were doing was fair to other family members.

0:22:560:23:00

It started to get pretty creepy and personal.

0:23:000:23:05

Think of it this way. If a person you did not know came

0:23:050:23:08

from a foreign country

0:23:080:23:09

and just started flattering you, what would you do?

0:23:090:23:12

Marry them.

0:23:120:23:13

Stephen Baldwin first got to know Donald Trump

0:23:150:23:18

when he was a memorable contestant on Celebrity Apprentice.

0:23:180:23:22

I would hope that Hollywood

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would soften its tone towards President Trump

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cos the more they break him down,

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the more difficult they make his job.

0:23:280:23:31

And again - this is going to sound pretty sketchy, what I'm saying -

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I think Hollywood hates President Trump.

0:23:360:23:39

Not everybody. There are some organisations

0:23:390:23:41

in Hollywood that are conservative.

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But I think we're going to see a big movement,

0:23:430:23:45

the pendulum is swinging back the other way now, so, sure,

0:23:450:23:48

Hollywood is going to be kicking and screaming for quite some time.

0:23:480:23:51

And I even cast a foreshadowing here of Hollywood better be careful

0:23:510:23:58

about how much it makes fun of Donald Trump

0:23:580:24:00

cos I think it's going to lose a lot of its audience

0:24:000:24:03

if it doesn't, kind of, swing back

0:24:030:24:05

to the middle a little bit and lighten up.

0:24:050:24:07

When Baldwin undertook some artwork

0:24:070:24:09

as part of a surprising Apprentice task,

0:24:090:24:12

he was joined in the gallery by his agent Matt Rich

0:24:120:24:15

who'd also run the publicity for Trump's Miss America pageant

0:24:150:24:18

for two decades.

0:24:180:24:20

What I'm finding, and I think it's fair to say,

0:24:200:24:24

is a lot of people who work in the arts,

0:24:240:24:27

they feel a natural resistance, for whatever reason...

0:24:270:24:30

Why do you say natural of all things?

0:24:300:24:32

Well, they resist. There seems to be a lot of opposition

0:24:320:24:35

to Trump and the Republicans.

0:24:350:24:37

-I would certainly not call it natural.

-No.

-Not in any sense.

0:24:370:24:40

So the thing I'd love to get a sense from...from you

0:24:400:24:43

is whether or not you believe that that resistance is as widespread

0:24:430:24:47

as perhaps it's painted to be?

0:24:470:24:49

No, I don't believe so.

0:24:490:24:50

My sense, though, is that

0:24:500:24:52

someone who has something to lose

0:24:520:24:54

might feel threatened by a boycott

0:24:540:24:57

or by, "Gee, Meryl Streep, sort of the queen of our industry,

0:24:570:25:02

"is saying this, we must also believe it."

0:25:020:25:06

I don't think people believe it in their heart.

0:25:060:25:08

And I think there is, what's that great term from Spiro,

0:25:080:25:11

Vice President Spiro Agnew under Nixon?

0:25:110:25:13

"The great silent majority" of performers

0:25:130:25:17

probably feel differently, but keep their mouth shut.

0:25:170:25:20

There is no advantage in backing Mr Trump vocally

0:25:200:25:24

and there are perceived disadvantages.

0:25:240:25:26

What seems to outrage the cultural elite the most

0:25:280:25:31

is when one of their own goes rogue

0:25:310:25:33

and publicly declares support for the new president.

0:25:330:25:36

January's inauguration was a stunning case in point

0:25:380:25:42

because every four years, the tradition is you have

0:25:420:25:44

luminaries from the world of entertainment

0:25:440:25:47

who ring in the newly elected or re-elected president.

0:25:470:25:50

So Bill Clinton had Michael Jackson, Elton John.

0:25:500:25:53

George W Bush had Ricky Martin.

0:25:530:25:56

Barack Obama had Beyonce.

0:25:560:25:58

But Donald Trump...?

0:25:580:25:59

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:26:030:26:05

One star who did heed the call was Sam Moore,

0:26:050:26:08

of legendary Stax Records duo Sam And Dave,

0:26:080:26:11

who enlisted once he heard that Trump was in need.

0:26:110:26:14

Despite braving the cold January air

0:26:140:26:17

the backlash against Sam was immediate.

0:26:170:26:20

Rapper Snoop Dogg branded him an "Uncle Tom".

0:26:200:26:23

I'm not an uncle...

0:26:250:26:26

I'm a father, I'm a great-grandfather

0:26:260:26:28

and I'm a grandfather.

0:26:280:26:30

I'm none of the uncles, OK?

0:26:300:26:32

So...

0:26:320:26:33

But it was ridiculous.

0:26:340:26:37

'It was doing what I felt was right and I knew it was right.

0:26:370:26:40

'I just sang and then I turned and I walked off.'

0:26:400:26:43

# I'm talking about America... #

0:26:430:26:47

'I felt wonderful. I did. I felt wonderful.

0:26:470:26:51

'I felt like I was part of America.'

0:26:510:26:55

I am an American.

0:26:550:26:57

I was not an African-American,

0:26:570:27:00

I wasn't a coloured boy, I wasn't negro,

0:27:000:27:03

I was a man that loves his country

0:27:030:27:08

and I was doing something in honour of my country

0:27:080:27:12

'at a special time on a special day.

0:27:120:27:16

'And that's how I took it.'

0:27:160:27:18

# Oh...

0:27:180:27:22

# Yeah... #

0:27:220:27:24

Mr Trump...

0:27:260:27:28

Brash, says things, unpredictable.

0:27:300:27:34

He's accomplished something, whether you like it or not,

0:27:340:27:37

whether you want to give him the credit or not.

0:27:370:27:39

So why don't you stop, guys, ladies and gentlemen,

0:27:390:27:44

and let's just give it a chance?

0:27:440:27:46

You know what? If we get behind him to do well, to succeed...

0:27:460:27:51

..he'll do better.

0:27:540:27:55

I like his cut.

0:27:570:27:58

Trump's fan base also extends to younger enthusiasts,

0:28:030:28:06

some of whom signalled their support for the president through artwork.

0:28:060:28:10

-This is the new apartment.

-This is the new apartment.

0:28:120:28:15

-I am still just moving in.

-Yeah, OK.

0:28:150:28:18

Since the election Lucian Wintrich has become

0:28:180:28:20

a poster boy for the alt-right, following the exhibition

0:28:200:28:23

Daddy Will Save Us,

0:28:230:28:24

which he organised in support of Trump in New York.

0:28:240:28:28

His photography series, Twinks For Trump,

0:28:280:28:31

loomed large over the gallery.

0:28:310:28:33

And the name of the show was what? It was Daddy...

0:28:330:28:36

-Daddy Will Save Us.

-Daddy?

0:28:360:28:38

A joke that we,

0:28:380:28:40

a lot of gay Trump supporters were playing off of,

0:28:400:28:44

is we need a strong father figure, a masculine figure,

0:28:440:28:49

finally in the White House.

0:28:490:28:50

It feels like there's a satirical component there.

0:28:500:28:52

I'm still struggling to quite get what it is.

0:28:520:28:54

Before this... Before this project came along,

0:28:540:28:57

people would say, "Trump supporters, they are ignorant,

0:28:570:28:59

"they're old white men who work in the coal industry in the Midwest."

0:28:590:29:03

That is the declared premise of who supports Trump.

0:29:030:29:06

I personally thought it was very, very funny to take that imagery,

0:29:060:29:11

take this classic trucker hat and throw it into a new context.

0:29:110:29:17

Is there an irony that perhaps, well...I don't know.

0:29:170:29:21

You said many of the models wouldn't vote Trump.

0:29:210:29:24

Most of them rejected both of the candidates.

0:29:240:29:27

Almost everybody, I don't know anybody around my age

0:29:270:29:32

who is gay who really applauded Hillary.

0:29:320:29:34

What seems to have happened subsequent to the election

0:29:340:29:38

is a transformation for you

0:29:380:29:39

from artist to White House correspondent, right?

0:29:390:29:43

-Right.

-For The Gateway Pundit.

0:29:430:29:45

Just describe what The Gateway Pundit is.

0:29:450:29:47

The Gateway Pundit is a right-leaning website.

0:29:470:29:50

It's still fast news

0:29:500:29:52

so we're functioning in a fast news era.

0:29:520:29:54

How did you get into it? Because one of the things that...

0:29:540:29:57

My understanding - and you tell me if I'm wrong -

0:29:570:30:00

is that you sort of pitched up in Washington and,

0:30:000:30:03

what do you call it, the traditional media correspondents,

0:30:030:30:06

they do things in a different way,

0:30:060:30:07

and it seems like you're trying to goad, provoke them,

0:30:070:30:12

for reasons that maybe you'll explain.

0:30:120:30:14

I don't know. Is that fair?

0:30:140:30:15

I mean, it's relatively fair.

0:30:150:30:17

I thought I'd actually have to provoke them

0:30:170:30:19

and then I realised me just being in the same room as them

0:30:190:30:22

really bothers them, cos they know I got this position

0:30:220:30:25

after a series of erotic Trump photographs,

0:30:250:30:30

which is, in and of itself, I think, hilarious.

0:30:300:30:32

Vote The Deplorables - what is this?

0:30:350:30:38

So that was actually done by Sabo,

0:30:380:30:41

who he is a Los Angeles street artist

0:30:410:30:44

and he was wildly pro-Trump

0:30:440:30:46

so, yeah, we got the toupee here, which is wonderful.

0:30:460:30:49

Just explain how it's a positive image.

0:30:490:30:52

Um...because, again, we are the new punk rock.

0:30:520:30:56

Part of the fun of being a Trump supporter

0:30:560:31:01

is it is counterculture, it is like New Wave or, yeah,

0:31:010:31:07

the skinheads, before skinheads became Nazis.

0:31:070:31:11

Are you...? Do you share any of the concerns,

0:31:110:31:14

the fears that other people have about Trump?

0:31:140:31:16

We need to disrupt the federal government right now

0:31:160:31:18

and Trump is doing that.

0:31:180:31:21

He is doing it in such a wonderfully pop culture way.

0:31:210:31:26

'As Lucien demonstrates,

0:31:260:31:28

'arguably the biggest culture shock with the advent of Trump

0:31:280:31:30

'has been the administration's relationship with the media.'

0:31:300:31:34

These attempts to lessen the enthusiasm of the inauguration

0:31:340:31:37

are shameful and wrong.

0:31:370:31:39

Sean Spicer's beleaguered press conferences

0:31:390:31:42

have made headlines around the world.

0:31:420:31:44

This was the largest audience

0:31:440:31:46

to ever witness an inauguration - period.

0:31:460:31:49

One of the biggest changes has been the upending

0:31:490:31:51

of the usual pecking order.

0:31:510:31:53

In the past, outlets like CNN, the Associated Press,

0:31:530:31:56

they were given first dibs on questions,

0:31:560:31:59

but now, a new breed of correspondent

0:31:590:32:01

is making its way into the bear pit.

0:32:010:32:04

Some of them are known as Skyper fans,

0:32:040:32:06

because they ask these innocuous questions

0:32:060:32:09

that are sycophantic to the Trump administration

0:32:090:32:12

and get beamed into the White House press room

0:32:120:32:14

via online video messaging,

0:32:140:32:16

leaving those big beasts from the traditional media

0:32:160:32:19

groaning in frustration.

0:32:190:32:21

The whole media landscape is being reshaped,

0:32:210:32:24

with the administration even threatening earlier this year

0:32:240:32:28

to abolish funding for public service broadcasting.

0:32:280:32:31

There has been some speculation

0:32:310:32:33

that perhaps this gambit's motivated by a certain character

0:32:330:32:37

who pops up from time to time on PBS's beloved Sesame Street.

0:32:370:32:42

Grump!

0:32:440:32:47

# Who has more trash than anyone does?

0:32:470:32:49

-# Grump!

-Grump!

-Grump!

0:32:490:32:51

# Who has the best rubbish and scuzz?

0:32:510:32:54

-# Grump!

-Grump!

-Grump!

0:32:540:32:56

He's coming! Here he comes.

0:32:570:33:01

-# I'm the trashiest

-Grump!

0:33:010:33:03

-# I'm the grouchiest

-Gru-u-u-ump!

0:33:030:33:09

I am Donald Grump

0:33:090:33:11

and I have more trash than all of you

0:33:110:33:14

so nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah!

0:33:140:33:16

Of course, this was far from a real attack on Trump.

0:33:160:33:20

But the new POTUS's trash talk has seen a surge in hostilities

0:33:200:33:24

between the president and the mainstream media,

0:33:240:33:26

causing some to draw parallels with other regimes.

0:33:260:33:30

Trump himself said, in very chilling terms,

0:33:300:33:35

the press is the enemy of the public,

0:33:350:33:39

which is frightening.

0:33:390:33:41

I mean, this sounds like something we would have heard

0:33:410:33:45

under Hitler and Goebbels back in the day.

0:33:450:33:50

It was also the title of the play by Ibsen, for goodness sakes.

0:33:500:33:54

Enemy Of The People.

0:33:540:33:56

And so if he feels that he can start attacking the press in this way,

0:33:560:34:03

in other words, calling it fake, lies,

0:34:030:34:08

anything he doesn't like,

0:34:080:34:11

then I could see a moment, if things go in a certain way,

0:34:110:34:16

in which they can start taking away freedom of speech

0:34:160:34:20

and make it legal.

0:34:200:34:21

No, not you. Not you. Your organisation is terrible.

0:34:210:34:25

Today, it seems Trump's modus operandi

0:34:250:34:29

is to label all those who oppose him as liars or weaklings.

0:34:290:34:33

In no sector is this more pronounced than the world of news.

0:34:330:34:37

Some in Trump's administration say that the mainstream media

0:34:370:34:40

were too cosy with the old order.

0:34:400:34:44

Do you remember how, last year, "post-truth"

0:34:440:34:46

was the Oxford Dictionary's word of the year?

0:34:460:34:48

Maybe you've already forgotten

0:34:480:34:50

because it's now been superseded by another, related phrase -

0:34:500:34:53

fake news.

0:34:530:34:56

Don't be... I am not going to give you a question.

0:34:560:35:00

You are fake news.

0:35:000:35:01

"Fake news" first gained some currency

0:35:010:35:04

when Buzzfeed began investigating websites sprouting up online.

0:35:040:35:10

I think we saw

0:35:100:35:12

fake news start to bleed into the campaign

0:35:120:35:15

in the spring and summer of 2016

0:35:150:35:18

and really, what you saw were these sites

0:35:180:35:20

you had never heard of - Trump 365, trueconservative.com -

0:35:200:35:24

things you'd never heard of publishing stories that,

0:35:240:35:27

when we really dug into it, were the most widely shared stories

0:35:270:35:30

on Facebook that day.

0:35:300:35:32

They appear to be teenage entrepreneurs,

0:35:320:35:34

there have been questions about

0:35:340:35:35

whether there were any Russian... if there was anybody from Russia

0:35:350:35:39

anywhere near that operation but that hasn't been shown.

0:35:390:35:41

As soon as a lot of...what I would say the legitimate media

0:35:410:35:45

started reporting on this phenomenon of fake news,

0:35:450:35:47

the answer from people who are making up stories and spreading lies

0:35:470:35:50

was "No, you are fake news."

0:35:500:35:51

So he seized on fake news

0:35:510:35:53

and turned it around

0:35:530:35:54

so anything that is basically

0:35:540:35:56

negative about him is now fake news,

0:35:560:35:58

which was clever.

0:35:580:35:59

It's the same sort of...

0:35:590:36:02

That is the 1984 aspect.

0:36:020:36:04

During the election, when he first started saying "Crooked Hillary",

0:36:040:36:09

everybody said, "That's over the top, it won't have any impact."

0:36:090:36:12

It turned out to have enormous impact -

0:36:120:36:14

very simple phrases, just repeat them, repeat them.

0:36:140:36:18

Hillary is an unstable person.

0:36:180:36:20

There is no better place for short, catchy messages

0:36:200:36:23

than Twitter's 140 characters.

0:36:230:36:27

It is interesting, the tweeting. People think that it's a sign

0:36:270:36:31

he's crazy, but he's sort of crazy like a fox.

0:36:310:36:33

He sees it, I think, as his own TV network. He has got...

0:36:330:36:37

Between Twitter and Facebook and various other online mediums,

0:36:370:36:41

he claims to have between 50 and 100 million followers.

0:36:410:36:46

Now if you compare that to the number of people

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watching broadcast news every evening, it is much bigger.

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So whenever there is a big, unfavourable story about him,

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usually the Russian story,

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inevitably, he comes out with some sensational tweet.

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Like a lot of people,

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I think he's addicted to the online world and tweeting,

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but also sees it as an invaluable tool,

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so that is why he doesn't give it up.

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I have met so people who support...

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I hope President Trump succeeds at making America great again.

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..or oppose America's new president.

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The only person he believes in is himself.

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I'm not sure I can see these two sides ever reconciling.

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But I wonder what his ultimate impact on the arts will be.

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Perversely, having become this hate figure

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for many people on the left associated with the arts,

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Trump, paradoxically, seems to be stimulating creativity

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because he represents something, he's a symbol of something

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that artists can oppose and rail against.

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But at the same time, Trump, time and again

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has proven wrong those people who've dismissed him -

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at one stage, he was supposedly this vile clown,

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with zero chance of making it to the White House,

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and look what happened there.

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So I really believe this is no time for complacency.

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Any civilised society must cherish artistic expression

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and surely nowhere more so than in a country that prides itself

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on being the land of the free.

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Donald Trump is a very nice person. I am a nice person.

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