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And after I was only a week in the comfort, he died. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
He was buried where his people came from. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Oh, the day I heard that. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
That he was dead. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
The film of James Joyce's story | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
The Dead has a special meaning for me. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
The role of Gretta Conroy was a wonderful part to play. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
The screenplay was written by my brother, Tony, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
and the movie was directed by my father, John Huston. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
It was his cherished ambition to | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
film an adaptation of Joyce's story for many years, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
and this was the last of the many | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
classic movies that he made during his lifetime. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
I'd heard of the book Ulysses, and I read it, and it was just | 0:00:55 | 0:01:02 | |
an enormous influence it played on my life. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
Having read Ulysses, I proceeded to read everything else that | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
he'd written. And among that material was The Dead, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:14 | |
and of course, it's one of the most extraordinary | 0:01:14 | 0:01:19 | |
short stories | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
in the English language. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
One, two, three. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
My father was far from alone in his admiration of James Joyce | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
and his belief in Joyce's greatness as a writer. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
Joyce questions everything. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
He wants to know more about everything. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
And in that respect, I think he is the poet of revelation. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
I think in Ireland he's viewed as an heroic figure. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
And I don't think anybody now in | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
Ireland would take offence at anything he said. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
It all turned out to be true. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
You probably get to know Joyce most... | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
You know, you see his image in pubs. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
This is one of the complications of Ireland's projection on the world | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
is it's synonymous with good times and booze, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
and I suppose Joyce has been | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
subsumed into that in quite a big way, | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
which is probably quite appropriate. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
Growing up in Ireland, you just | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
can't not be aware of Joyce as a figure, as a spectre. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
He's everywhere, right? | 0:02:22 | 0:02:23 | |
I think he was cold | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
in the way that many great artists are cold. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
I think he was entirely self absorbed. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
If you're too celebrated or celebrated early in Ireland, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
clearly you're doing something wrong and you're going nowhere. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
It's like you should be annoying Ireland in some way. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
He asked himself the question once - does a writer have to be ruthless? | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
The answer is yes. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
James Augustine Aloysius Joyce was born in 1882 in Rathgar, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:06 | |
a suburb on the south side of Dublin. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
He was the oldest of ten surviving | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
children born to John Stanislaus Joyce and May Murray. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
His mother seems to have been a | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
submissive and deeply religious woman. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
She must also have been very tolerant, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
since her husband was an alcoholic and a spendthrift. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
He managed to run through a large inheritance and did not hold down a | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
regular job for the last 40 years of his life. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
As John Joyce's income fell, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
his family changed houses often to escape their creditors. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
In theory, this was a kind of | 0:03:41 | 0:03:42 | |
Catholic middle class family who desperately wanted to | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
be respectable, but they couldn't keep up that sort of pretence. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
You know, the tradesmen were always coming, looking to be paid, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
and were not being paid. They were hiding from the rent collectors. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
But John was determined that his son would be educated at Ireland's elite | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
schools. Those run by Jesuits and not by the Christian Brothers. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:06 | |
The Jesuits, in terms of Catholic education, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
were for the Catholic elite, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
and the Christian Brothers were for the lower middle classes, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
and the difference between one and the other was enormous. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
James first attended Clongowes Wood College, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
but had to leave when his father couldn't pay the school fees. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
However, he was soon offered free tuition at Belvedere College in the | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
heart of Dublin. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
I think the Jesuit education gave him a sense of himself as different. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
Joyce grew up during a period of | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
political uncertainty in Ireland that had | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
developed in the decades that | 0:04:44 | 0:04:45 | |
followed the fall and death of Charles Stewart Parnell, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
the uncrowned king of Ireland, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
who had brought the country to the verge of independence. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
But Parnell had been named as an adulterer | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
in a sensational divorce case, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
and the political party he led had split in two. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
Joyce's own home was split by this division, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
which he wrote about in his first novel. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
Joyce's novel was dramatized by Hugh Leonard in his play, Stephen D. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:23 | |
In one of its scenes, Stephen Dedalus is seven years old, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
and has been allowed to join the adults for Christmas dinner. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
Parnell's the only figure that Joyce doesn't mock. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:36 | |
This sense of him as a martyr. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
The sense of him as a sexual martyr. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
The sense of him as someone who had suffered deeply at the hands of the | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
worst elements in both Irish and English society. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
An argument breaks out about the | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
role of the Catholic Church in the fall of Parnell. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
And were we to desert Parnell at the bidding of the English people? | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
He was no longer worthy to lead. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:00 | |
He was a public sinner. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
-Yeah. -We are all sinners, Mrs Reardon, and black sinners. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
The row plants the first doubts in his mind | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
about the authority of the Catholic Church. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
Joyce was a brilliant student | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
who won awards and scholarships from an early age, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
and whose writing was first published | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
when he was just nine years old. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
His family is living in abject poverty, but when he's 12, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
Joyce wins a top prize in Ireland's national exams, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
a windfall for the family, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
and his father says Joyce can spend it as he chooses. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
He thinks it will teach his son the value of money. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
But Joyce uses it to visit expensive restaurants and pay for trips to the | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
theatre. Within a few weeks, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
the money is gone and the family is poverty stricken once again. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
Like his father, Joyce loved telling stories, singing and drinking. | 0:06:55 | 0:07:01 | |
When he had money, he spent it with abandon. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
When he had none, he borrowed shamelessly from his friends. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
Joyce was not only precocious in his academic achievements, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
he also became sexually active while he was still very young. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
Respectability is such a powerful force in Victorian society that if | 0:07:17 | 0:07:23 | |
you're going to follow your sexual desires, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
it means that you're going to place | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
yourself outside of that society very, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
very fast and Joyce seems, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
from what we can tell from his own versions of himself, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
to be actually pretty comfortable | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
early on with making that breach between | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
himself and the society around him. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
He frequented the prostitutes who | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
operated in the Monto district of Dublin, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
on the north side of the River Liffey, close to his school. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
Everything would begin to change for Joyce on the day he came across a | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
young woman recently arrived in Dublin from Galway. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
Her name was Nora Barnacle. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
Nora caught Joyce's eye as he was walking in the centre of Dublin. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
Nora claimed she mistook him for a Swedish sailor, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
with his electric blue eyes, yachting cap, and plimsolls. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:17 | |
But when he began to speak, she realised her mistake. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
"I knew him at once for just another | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
"Dublin jackeen chatting up a country girl." | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
She represented a part of Ireland that he, the Dubliner, did not know, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
and in fact feared. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
They met again six days later, on June 16, 1904. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
Nora and Joyce walked along the | 0:08:39 | 0:08:40 | |
River Liffey until they reached a secluded | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
spot, where they became intimate. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
Some years later, he recalled that day. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
"It was you who slid your hand down inside my trousers and frigged me | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
"slowly until I came off through your fingers, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
"all the time bending over me and gazing at me out of your quiet, | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
"saint-like eyes." | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
She literally took him in hand and literally made a man of him. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
In many ways, this was most important day of his life, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
and it would become known as Bloomsday, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
the day on which he set all the | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
action of his most famous novel, Ulysses. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
Nora might have seemed an unlikely match for Joyce. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
She'd been born in a Galway workhouse to illiterate parents. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
Her father was a drunkard. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Her upbringing was chaotic, and her education was rudimentary. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
She'd run away from home after a severe beating, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
and was working as a chambermaid when she met Joyce. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
He sees a woman who is not a prostitute, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
but who has sexual desires, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
and sexual desires that are probably as strong as his own. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
From the beginning, they trusted one another. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
Within a few weeks, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
they'd agreed to leave Ireland together and seek a new life abroad. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
They eventually settled in Trieste, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
at that time part of Austria-Hungary, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
where Joyce obtained a post teaching English, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
and where he believed he would become not just an Irish writer, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
but a world-famous writer. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
For the trams of Trieste, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:18 | |
even they can only add to the appeal of a city caught in the varying | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
fashions of various occupiers. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
Of course, the Romans were here, but later, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
Austrian rule must surely have given Trieste this taste of Vienna. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
Trieste at that time was the most | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
important port in the Habsburg Empire. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
It was a cosmopolitan city, and had | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
become a hub of languages, music, art, and literature. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
"They call it a ramshackle empire. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
"I wish to God there were more such empires." | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
It's not Dublin. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
It's completely unlike Dublin, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
and yet there's something about it that immediately was Dublinesque. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
I can see why Joyce loved it. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
He would have loved it for the | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
mixture of types and of races and of languages. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
Things really do change once he leaves Ireland. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
To get away from that world of craw thumping, of petty jealousy, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:18 | |
into a world where he could begin to miss Dublin. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
That instead of resenting it, wanting to leave it, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
he could think about it in a way which was more sonorous and kinder. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:32 | |
Almost exactly a year after they first met, Nora gave birth to a son, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
Giorgio. Two years later, she gave birth to a daughter, Lucia. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:44 | |
It is clear from the erotic letters they exchanged | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
that they enjoyed an intense physical relationship at that time. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
"My love for you allows me to pray to the spirit of eternal beauty and | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
"tenderness mirrored in your eyes. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
"Or to fling you down on that soft | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
"belly of yours and fuck you up behind | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
"like a hog riding a sow, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
"glorying in the open shame of your upturned dress and white girlish | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
"drawers and the confusion of your flushed cheeks and tangled hair." | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
Nora seldom read Joyce's work and claimed she would rather he'd been a | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
professional singer than a writer. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
But she gave him the support that he needed, and Joyce, in turn, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
remained committed to Nora for the rest of his life. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
You would never think seeing her separately, and seeing James Joyce, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
that these two would be a marriage, but they were. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
And a great one. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:39 | |
Nora had much to endure during their years in Trieste. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
They were often penniless and had to move from one miserable apartment to | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
another. Joyce was also subject to great physical pain, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
due to recurring eye and stomach problems. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
But this was a period of exceptional creativity for him. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
During these years, he completed his first collection of poems, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
his first novel, and his first and only play. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
He also published his first | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
collection of short stories, Dubliners. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
You don't get Joyce's great work | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
without the formation of a consciousness | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
that is utterly free of two things. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
One is shame, and the other is snobbery. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
And Nora liberates him, finally, from both of those things. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
Dubliners, his collection of 15 stories, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
each of which represents a different aspect of Dublin life in the opening | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
years of the 20th century. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
By the time we get to the end of that collection of short stories, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
you've been taught something about a place that is so visceral. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
You know, he caught it, you know. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
I never... When I read it, I'd never been to Dublin, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
and I certainly hadn't been to Dublin in that time, and never will, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
but I feel like I knew it. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
According to Joyce, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
Dubliners is written in a style of scrupulous meanness, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
to convey a sense of material hardship and emotional repression. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
When people in Dublin go on about our Jimmy Joyce, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
I never know the Jimmy Joyce they're talking about, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
because if you look at the work, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
he may have loved Dublin, but he disliked it intensely, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
and you can certainly see that in Dubliners, for instance. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
I mean, the portrait of Dublin in Dubliners is bleak, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
cold, grey, and grimy. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
The 15 stories are built around a | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
series of what Joyce termed epiphanies, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
moments of profound insight and revelation. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
Well, it is the one I can understand. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
Just the stories are extraordinary. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
The Dead is the final and most accomplished story in Dubliners, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
and it takes place on the feast of the Epiphany. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
I don't think art is a competitive field, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
but there is a case to be put for | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
The Dead as possibly the greatest short | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
story ever written. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
Its inspiration came from Nora Barnacle. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
She told Joyce that as a girl in Galway, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
she'd fallen in love with a boy who died while still very young. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
I don't know why The Dead is so good. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Everything about it is good. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
I thought it was the most devastatingly beautiful | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
short story I'd ever read. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
The language is so poetic and at the same time so grounded. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
It just spoke to my soul. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
The Dead has been adapted as a one-act play, as an opera, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
as a Broadway musical, and of course, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
as the movie directed by my father, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
-John Huston. -The movie of The Dead was so close to the original, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
it was so faithful, it is one of the few true kind of | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
proper acts of homage that you see to Joyce. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
The lead character in Joyce's story is Gabriel Conroy, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
who leads a carefully measured life. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
Oops, you'll never guess what he has me wearing now. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
Galoshes. That's the latest. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
He and his wife Gretta attend a | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
Christmas party given by two elderly aunts | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
who are music teachers in Dublin. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
The next thing he'll buy me will be a diving suit. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
In the story, we realise, of course, he's falling apart. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
He doesn't know who he is as a person, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
he doesn't know who he is as an Irish person. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
To tell you the truth, I'm sick of my own country. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
-I'm sick of it. -Why? | 0:16:38 | 0:16:39 | |
Superb. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
Why? | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
Of course you've no answer. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
He's challenged at every point and then as his... | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
The only thing he really knows is | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
his relationship with Gretta, his wife. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
What row had you with Molly Ivers? | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
No, no row. Why, did she say we had? | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
No, I noticed you carrying on, that's all. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
I'm trying to get that Mr Darcy to sing. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
He's full of conceit, isn't he? | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
There was no row. She wanted me to | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
go on a trip to the west of Ireland and I said I wouldn't. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
Oh, Gabriel, do go. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:13 | |
I'd love to see Galway again. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Well, you can go if you like. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:17 | |
I think there our great things in John Houston's film. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
I think that the central performances of Donald McCann and | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
Anjelica Huston are glorious. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
# Oh don't you remember. # | 0:17:28 | 0:17:35 | |
At the end of the evening, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
Gabriel watches Gretta as she stands at the top of the stairs and listens | 0:17:37 | 0:17:42 | |
to a haunting ballad, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
The Lass of Aughrim. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
It's remarkable how then it becomes | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
a story about her, because you thought it was a story about him. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
And he's able to do that with great economy, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
but also with great sympathy. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
# When we both met together. # | 0:18:02 | 0:18:10 | |
The real revolutionary in the story is Gretta. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
She has come from the working class, come from the peasant class. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
She has infiltrated the Dublin bourgeoisie | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
at its deepest, at its hardest. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
# My babe lies cold within my arms. # | 0:18:24 | 0:18:32 | |
And by the end of the movie, she's done a complete flip. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
He can't show vulnerability, and the moment that she shows vulnerability, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
she's the conqueror. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
Later, in their hotel, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
Gretta becomes upset and tells Gabriel | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
that the ballad was one a young boy | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
called Michael Furey used to sing to her. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
I used to go out walking with him when I was in Galway. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
And perhaps that was why you wanted | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
-to go with Galway with that Ivers woman. -What for? | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
How do I know? To see him, perhaps. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
He's dead. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
All of his expectations of her have somehow reversed, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
and she's become like a wild creature. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
She's become a wild swan again. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
I suppose you were in love with this Michael Furey, Gretta. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
I was great with him at the time. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
What was it he died of so young? | 0:19:32 | 0:19:33 | |
Consumption, was it? | 0:19:35 | 0:19:36 | |
I think he died from me. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
She then articulates the truth about her life in the most | 0:19:40 | 0:19:46 | |
perceptive and courageous way. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
Did you not tell him to go back? | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
I implored of him to go home at once | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
and told him he'd get his death in the rain. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
But he said did not want to live. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
He realises that he can't... He can't control her. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
He can only observe her as the free creature that she is. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:12 | |
So it's like he has to release her. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
Then, of course, it ends with the most astonishing prose that I don't | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
think an Irish writer has ever come out with, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
in those concluding paragraphs, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
with this vision of Ireland as a | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
place snowbound and possibly paralysed, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
but also with this potential for life, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
stirring brilliantly underneath this gorgeous, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
teeming imagery that he presents to you at the end. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
Snow is falling. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
Falling in that lonely churchyard where Michael Furey lies buried. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
Falling faintly through the universe and faintly falling | 0:20:52 | 0:20:58 | |
like the descent of their last end | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
upon all the living and the dead. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
The story is about a man's being revealed to himself. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
While we're watching that happen, I think, we're revealed to ourselves. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:20 | |
What we think we are and what we are, really, is... | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
Are two different things. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
A total labour of love. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
It was... There was nothing but love involved. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
Love for Ireland, love for the life we'd led there, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
love of Irish character. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
Oof. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:42 | |
And then deep understanding of... | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
..the kind of humanity that Joyce writes about in The Dead. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
And the best thing you can say about The Dead is that it is as great a | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
film as Joyce's story is a story. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
Dubliners was accepted for publication in 1905. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
However, the printer refused to set all of the stories. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
Three years later, the book was | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
again due to be published, but once again, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
the printers refused to set the type. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
But you can't really find anything in the stories to say | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
"Well, that's actually not publishable," | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
you know, because they're not filthy, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
but there's a general sense that this way of writing about Ireland, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
this way of writing about Dublin, is somehow offensive. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
When Dubliners finally appeared, it received critical praise, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
but failed to sell. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
A pathetic number of Dubliners were sold. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
After all the trouble of trying to get it done, then not a penny. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
It did not make him the fortune he'd hoped, but by then, | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
Joyce had already completed his first novel. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
He had written the first version of | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
as a short essay for a literary journal in Dublin. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
When it was rejected, he decided to develop the essay into a novel. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
He began his final attempt at | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
writing this novel in September 1907, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
but after the first three chapters, he found it impossible to continue. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
He did not resume work on his book for the next six years. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
At that point, he received an | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
unexpected letter from a total stranger. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
It came from the American Ezra Pound, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
who'd been told about Joyce by the poet WB Yeats. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
It was Pound's enthusiasm that | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
convinced Joyce to complete his novel. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
The complete novel was finally published in New York in 1916. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
The Irish reviews were scathing. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
One claimed that Joyce, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:06 | |
"Drags his readers after him into the slime of foul sewers." | 0:24:06 | 0:24:11 | |
"Out here, Dedalus. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
"You are a lazy little schemer." | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
charts the development of Stephen Dedalus | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
from a child into a gifted but self-absorbed young man, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
who is about to leave Ireland. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
It seems his character has much in common with Joyce. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
In the course of the novel, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
we witness the loss of Stephen's | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
religious faith as he comes to define God as, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
"A shout in the street." | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
The portrait is built around a number of set pieces. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:52 | |
In one of these, Stephen takes part in a religious retreat. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
When I was, say, seven or eight, | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
you would start going to the boys' confraternity, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
and they would lower the lights in | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
the big cathedral and the booming voice | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
of the priest would say, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
"Death comes soon and judgment will follow, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
"so now, dear boys, examine your conscience and find out your sins." | 0:25:14 | 0:25:20 | |
And there would be silence. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
In hell, all laws are overturned. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
There is no thought of family, country, its ties or relationships. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:31 | |
On the third day of the retreat, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
the priest's sermon focuses on the horrors of hell and describes its | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
torments in such relentless and visceral detail | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
that he terrifies Stephen into submission. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
Why did you sin? | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
Why did you lend an ear to the temptings of friends? | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
Why did you not shun the occasion of sin? | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
Why did you not give up that lured habit, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
that impure habit? | 0:26:03 | 0:26:04 | |
Stephen stops frequenting prostitutes, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
makes a full confession, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
and is granted absolution. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
It seems that he has been reconciled with mother church. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
And you will promise God now | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
that you will never offend him again by that wicked sin. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
-Yes, Father. -That wretched, wretched sin. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
But the priest's sermon also focused on the rebellion of the | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
intellect, which Lucifer raised against God, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
and the fallen angel's call of defiance | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
is the same as the young artist. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
Non serviam. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:43 | |
I will not serve. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
"Six years ago, I left the Catholic Church. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
"By doing this, I made myself a beggar, but I retained my pride. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
"Now I make open war upon the Church | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
"by what I write and say and do." | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
Despite that, Catholicism seeps into every aspect of Stephen's life. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:05 | |
Above all, it shapes his perception of himself as an artist. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:10 | |
"A priest of the eternal imagination, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
"transmuting the daily bread of experience | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
"into the radiant body of ever living life." | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
I thought this is the way to lead one's life, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
or in particular, my life. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
I want to be... I want to be an artist like this. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
The idea of the priestly idea of the modernist writer appealed to me. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
By the end of the novel, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
Stephen is ready to leave Ireland, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
and embrace a life of silence, exile, and cunning. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
He wants to spread his creative | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
wings and fly past the nets of family, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
church, and nationality that hold back his soul. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
Joyce completed the first draft of | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
the first episode of his new novel on | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
the same day that the school where he'd been teaching closed. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
Trieste was part of the Habsburg Empire. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
However, most of the inhabitants were Italian, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
and Italy had just declared war on Austria-Hungary. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
Ireland was still part of the British state, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
and therefore was also at war. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
Joyce was classified as an enemy alien, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
but he managed to escape from Trieste | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
with the help of some well-connected friends. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
He and his family arrived in Zurich at the end of June, 1915. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
Zurich was kind of a non-place. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
It was also safe. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
Like all artists, you know, he spent his time fleeing danger. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
He'd intended that Ulysses would be another short story, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
but it grew in his imagination. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
He mapped out a structure that would correspond to Homer's epic poem, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
the Odyssey, and found parallels | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
between modern Dublin and ancient Greece. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
I often wonder if you came into a publishing house to pitch Ulysses, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:15 | |
and say, "Well, it's going | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
"to be Homer, but it's going to be, you know, Dublin in a single day." | 0:29:18 | 0:29:23 | |
If people would have just said, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
"Get him out of here. We're not publishing that." | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
You know, you have to... You sort of have to execute it | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
for anyone to believe in it. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:33 | |
The rest of Europe may have seemed hell-bent on | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
destruction, but Switzerland was not at war. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
Joyce and his family lived in many different addresses in Zurich, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
as was their habit. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
But thanks to the influence of the WB Yeats, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
Joyce now received a stipend from the British Council. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
He also caught the attention of Harriet Shaw Weaver, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
a wealthy English woman. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:01 | |
Over the next 25 years, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
she would provide him with enough money to ensure that he could devote | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
himself to writing. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
On the 10th of October, 1916, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
Joyce wrote to Harriet Weaver to say he was busy writing a new book. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
"I am working at it as well as I can. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
"It is called Ulysses and the action takes place in Dublin in 1904. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
"I've almost finished the first part, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
"and have written out part of the middle and end. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
"I hope to finish it in 1918." | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
Joyce fell far short of that deadline, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
but he began to publish episodes from the book | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
before it had been completed. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:43 | |
It soon became clear that Joyce's ambitions and skills as a writer had | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
gone far beyond his previous work. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
He invented a form of English for himself. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
No sentence in Ulysses is straightforward unless he means it | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
to be, unless he means it to be cliche. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
That was his great revolution. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
In July of 1920, Joyce and his family moved to Paris. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:14 | |
It was meant to be a brief visit, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
but he stayed there for the next 20 years. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
It was in Paris that he completed Ulysses, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
and it was there that his book was published by Sylvia Beach, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
another of his female benefactors. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
Some people asked me, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
"Were you disappointed when you met James Joyce?" | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
And I always say, "Never at all, for he was anything but disappointing." | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
There were attempts to censor Joyce's book even before it had been | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
published. In 1920, The Little Review | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
had featured the Nausicaa episode, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
which includes references to masturbation | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
and the New York Society for the Suppression of Vice | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
took legal action to keep the book out of the USA. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
At a trial in 1921, the magazine was declared obscene, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
and Ulysses was banned. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
He used to tell me about what was going on in New York, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
and he was following this case where Ulysses was being suppressed, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:19 | |
and finally he came one day, to show me this Little Review, and he said, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
"You see, this is now being completely suppressed, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
"and my boo-ook," | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
as he pronounced it, "will never come out." | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
So he sat there with his head in his hands, and | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
I said to him, "Would you like me to publish Ulysses?" | 0:32:33 | 0:32:38 | |
And he said, "I would." | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
In the final months before publication, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
Joyce exhausted himself by rewriting numerous passages in the book. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
He was determined that every detail should be authentic. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
In November, 1921, he writes to his aunt Josephine. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
He wants to know if it's possible | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
for an ordinary person to climb over the | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
area railings of number seven Eccles Street, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
whether from the path or steps, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
lower himself from the lowest part of the railings, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
till his feet are within two or three inches of the ground and drop | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
unhurt. He needs to know because he | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
is revising one of the episodes in his | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
novel, in which someone enters his | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
house in Eccles Street by this method, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
and Joyce wants to make quite sure it is possible. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
Finally, on the 2nd of February, 1922, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
two copies of Ulysses were sent by | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
train from printers in Dijon to Paris. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
Joyce received the books on the morning of his 40th birthday. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
Those that could obtain a copy soon found that the novel posed something | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
of an existential challenge. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
Ulysses is a difficult book, | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
and it's a challenge for many readers. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
I think we don't usually get too far in a conversation before I say, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
"I've read Ulysses," because I'm still quite proud of it. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
Of having actually got through it. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
I think reading Ulysses is a bit like, you know, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
being punched in the head, repeatedly, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
and then finding after a time that you quite enjoy that. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
The novel begins at eight in the morning of June the 16th, 1904, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:33 | |
with three young men who are living in a Martello tower in Sandy Cove, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
a small coastal village south of Dublin. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
There's no plot. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
Days don't have plots. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
Life doesn't have a plot. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
And all the better for it. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
At the end of Joyce's first novel, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
Stephen Dedalus was about to leave for Paris. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
In this one, he's returned to Ireland. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
The novel also follows the path of an older man, Leopold Bloom, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:06 | |
as he goes about his business on that June day. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
Bloom is the son of a Hungarian Jew, and an Irish Protestant. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
He converted to Catholicism to marry his wife, Molly. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
In this TV production, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
Milo O'Shea gave what some | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
consider to be a definitive reading of the character. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
I think the fact that Bloom is Jewish | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
is at the very heart of Ulysses. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
I think it's so important. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
I think it was a very deliberate, very careful, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
very clever choice on Joyce's part. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
I belong to a race too that's hated and persecuted. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
At this moment, this instant. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
Robbed, plundered, insulted, persecuted. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
Taking what belongs to us by right, at this moment. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
Are you talking about the new Jerusalem? | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
I'm talking about injustice. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:56 | |
Stand up to it, then, with force, like men. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
But that's no good. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
Force, hatred. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
History and all that. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:03 | |
No, that's not the life of men and women. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
Hatred, insult. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:07 | |
Everybody knows that it's the very opposite of that that's really life. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
-What is? -Love. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
Having this complex identity for Bloom | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
allows Joyce to really wrangle with | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
all the themes of nationalism and identity and belonging. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:26 | |
And the saviour was a Jew and his father was a Jew, your God. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
-That'll do now. -Whose God? | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
..was a Jew and | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
your God was a Jew. And Christ was a Jew, like me. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
I'll brain that bloody Jew man for using the holy name. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
Bejesus, I'll crucify him! | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
I think he's saying just because we | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
don't have a big Jewish community does | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
not mean that we are not anti-Semitic | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
or have not been in the past. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
And also, that moment is kind of chilling as well, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
when you read it in the light of everything that followed. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
See now. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
There all the time without you. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
Ulysses may be based on a classical text, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
but everything that happens to | 0:37:14 | 0:37:15 | |
Stephen and Bloom is rooted in the everyday | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
experiences that make up the lives of ordinary people. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
And through his use of a stream of consciousness technique, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
Joyce is not only able to tell us what the characters are doing, | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
but what they are thinking. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
Funny, my watch stopped at half past four. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
What's happened? | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
Such a bad headache now. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
Oh, exhausted, that female has me. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
But will she come here tomorrow? | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
Murderers do. Write a message for her? | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
For Joyce, language was a lens. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
It distorted, it clarified, and it was very highly polished. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
What emerges as a portrayal of | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
Dublin that is both comprehensive and | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
precise. Joyce claimed that | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
if Dublin one day suddenly disappeared from the Earth, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
"It could be reconstructed out of my book." | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
Joyce had originally intended that there would be 17 episodes in his | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
novel, all of them devoted to Bloom and Stephen. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
But he added an 18th and final episode, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
in which the only voice we hear is that of Bloom's wife, Molly. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:31 | |
She's waited for her husband's return | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
like Penelope in the Odyssey. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
But unlike Homer's faithful wife, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
she has committed adultery that afternoon. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
Breakfast in bed. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
He has an idea about me and Boylan. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
Molly's final speech is written in eight paragraphs, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
without any dialogue, and without any punctuation. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
Men. I'd rather die 20 time over than marry another of their sex. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
As we follow her speeding train of thought, sometimes bawdy, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
sometimes fastidious, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
we gather that she's both a sensuous and an intelligent woman. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
Joyce had no problem getting into the minds of whoever, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
because the book was the world and the world was his mind, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
that he could do whatever he wanted, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
including getting into the mind of Molly. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
The day I got him to propose to me. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
Yes, I said, I was a flower of the mountain, yes. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
Every writer | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
needs one governing thing, one | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
governing emotion in their sensibility, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
that no matter what, you can see it | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
appearing in their work, and for Joyce, that idea | 0:39:37 | 0:39:42 | |
of adultery, of unfaithfulness, of being a man, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
and being weakened by the fact that | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
the woman who you desire, who you want, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
is actually with somebody else, really animates him, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
really gets him going. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
Much of Molly's thoughts are related to her personal sexual history, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
impulses and fantasies. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
The explicit detail of her words | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
greatly contributed to the novel's shock | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
impact when it was first published. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
"It begins and ends with the female word yes. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
"It turns like the huge Earth ball, slowly, surely, and evenly, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
"round and round, spinning, | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
"its four cardinal points being the | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
"female breasts, arse, womb, and cunt." | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
To say yes, my mountain flower. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
First I put my hands around him. Yes. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
I find the language itself tremendously sensual. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
I drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts so perfumed, yes. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
And physical and funny and overwhelming. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:47 | |
His heart was going like mad. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
And yes, I said, yes, I will. Yes! | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
TS Eliot described the publication of Joyce's book as having the | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
importance of a scientific discovery. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
It's incredible. You would look at the whole and think the certitude, | 0:41:02 | 0:41:07 | |
that he absolutely knew where he was going, which is hard, you know. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:12 | |
It's hard to see the end before you begin. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
It may be the hardest thing for a writer, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
and I don't think anyone did it better. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
But not everyone has appreciated Joyce's novel. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
By 1922, Ireland had achieved political independence, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:33 | |
but the new Irish state was imbued with a deeply conservative Catholic | 0:41:33 | 0:41:38 | |
ethos. Ulysses was never banned in Ireland, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
but Joyce was often portrayed as a pornographer. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
His aunt Josephine in Dublin steadfastly | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
refused to read Ulysses because | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
she believed it to be a dirty book. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
"If Ulysses isn't fit to read," Joyce said, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
"then life isn't fit to live." | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
In 1931, Joyce's father died. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
"No man could be worthy of such | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
"intense love as my father had for me." | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
Soon afterwards, his first and only grandchild was born. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
Joyce wrote a poem to mark the occasion of Stephen Joyce's birth. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:21 | |
A child is sleeping. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
An old man gone. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
Oh, father forsaken. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
Forgive your son. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
Joyce's reputation as a banned writer | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
made him a literary celebrity. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
He became a leader of the avant-garde, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
and he enjoyed to the full the cafe society of Paris. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
There were few royalties from Ulysses, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
because it was banned for many years. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
But Joyce continued to enjoy the patronage of Harriet Weaver. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:03 | |
He has enormously powerful, wealthy, and patient allies. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:09 | |
I mean, this was a golden time in the life of Paris, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
and he was at the very centre of this and, I mean, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
I think this gave him great pleasure. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
Within a few years, | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
Joyce had gone from being an impoverished language teacher in a | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
backwater of Europe to becoming a | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
respected writer with an international reputation. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
When Joyce goes to the restaurant, it's, you know, the full canonicals. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:34 | |
He lives a sort of, | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
you know, grand bourgeois life for a lot of the time, | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
and when he's not doing that, it's because he's spent all the money. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
He has his father's improvidence. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
The young Irishman Samuel Beckett will wait another 30 years for fame | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
as author of the controversial drama Waiting for Godot. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
At the moment, he is serving as secretary to his renowned and still | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
more controversial compatriot, James Joyce. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
Joyce's novel Ulysses is damned by | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
censors on both sides of the Atlantic, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
but finds an enthusiastic publisher and public in Paris. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:08 | |
In 1933, | 0:44:08 | 0:44:10 | |
Random House arranged for a copy of | 0:44:10 | 0:44:11 | |
the book they'd imported to be seized by customs. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
The publisher then contested the seizure. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
The US court of appeals ruled that the book was not pornographic. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:23 | |
It was a landmark decision that | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
would help to change attitudes on the | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
censorship of art throughout the world. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
Joyce's celebrity could not protect him from his worsening health. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
He suffered from a constant stream of eye problems, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
went through a number of complex surgeries, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
and spent long stretches when he was virtually blind. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
At times, he had to write with large | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
red crayons so that he could read his own words. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
There was something else that weighed on his mind during these | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
years. And that was the mental health of his daughter, Lucia. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
Lucia had been a sickly child, | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
and her earliest memories were of domestic chaos. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
Her relationship with her father was intense, and sometimes tortured. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:17 | |
Do you know an author who isn't manipulative? | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
That's what we do. We sit in our rooms and we manipulate language, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
we manipulate character, we manipulate the material we're given, | 0:45:24 | 0:45:28 | |
we manipulate our families and friends. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
We're cannibals, essentially. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:32 | |
Lucia had a strained relationship with Nora, | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
and on Joyce's 50th birthday, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
she attacked her mother. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
Lucia was admitted to a clinic and for the next few years, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
moved between hospitals and home. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
Carl Jung diagnosed schizophrenia, | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
but Joyce did not want to accept this verdict. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:53 | |
"I am in a minority of one, in my opinion, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
"as everybody else apparently thinks Lucia is crazy. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:01 | |
"But her mind is as clear and as unsparing as lightning. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:05 | |
"She is a fantastic being, speaking a curious language of her own. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
"I understand it. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
"Or most of it." | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
He came to love Lucia, probably more than anyone. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
And he felt | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
that his madness, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
that he had somehow escaped the worst of, | 0:46:22 | 0:46:26 | |
and in some etheric way, | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
he had transmitted it to his daughter. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
When she was 28, Lucia entered an asylum in France. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:39 | |
She would never live outside an institution again. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
Joyce was so exhausted by the time he finished Ulysses | 0:46:44 | 0:46:49 | |
that he was unable to write prose for over a year. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
However, in March, 1923, | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
he wrote to Harriet Weaver that he'd just completed two pages of a new | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
book. This would eventually become Finnigan's Wake. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
Joyce, after Ulysses, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
has gone into a certain zone where | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
he does what a shaman does in society, | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
which is sort of a shaman makes himself crazy. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
He goes out onto the extreme, has visions and talks in tongues, | 0:47:13 | 0:47:18 | |
and deranges himself. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
The Wake was his final book, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
and it took Joyce 17 years to complete. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
The novel is often considered to be one of the most difficult books to | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
read in any language. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
Like a lot of people, I got a | 0:47:34 | 0:47:35 | |
hundred pages into Finnegan's Wake and | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
couldn't find my way out. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
The opening line of the book is a | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
fragment of the sentence which is left | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
unfinished in the book's closing line, | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
making the work a never ending cycle. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
You can't really read it. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
It has to be spoken and has to be spoken by someone Irish and someone | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
probably a Dubliner. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
The book concerns the Earwicker family, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
but there is no conventional plot. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
Joyce builds layer upon layer of multilingual puns, wordplays, | 0:48:16 | 0:48:21 | |
and literary allusions upon a | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
foundation of standard or Hiberno English. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
I still don't know how to read it. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
The critical reaction, when the book appeared, was largely negative. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:36 | |
Ulysses may have been a demanding read, but for many, | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
Finnigan's Wake was a step too far. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
I consider Finnigan's Wake to be a great disaster, | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
with equal emphasis on both words. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
It is great but it's also disastrous. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
As TS Eliot in his gnomic way said, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
"One book like this is enough." | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
"I might easily have written the story in the traditional manner. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
"Every novelist knows the recipe. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
"It's not very difficult to follow a | 0:49:01 | 0:49:03 | |
"simple chronological scheme which the critics will understand. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:07 | |
"But I, after all, am trying to tell a story in a new way." | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
Perhaps Finnigan's Wake disappointed some readers | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
because they felt it was not the book Joyce should have written. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
People are slightly moral about what writers should or shouldn't do, | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
and you can see the progression in Joyce | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
so simply from Dubliners through to Finnigan's Wake. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
You say, "Oh, should he have done that now?" | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
So, should he have done Finnigan's Wake? | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
It's really, really hard to read and you say, | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
"Well the connection with the readership is obviously broken there | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
"or he didn't need to sell a book." | 0:49:37 | 0:49:39 | |
He had plenty of money. But I think that he was going so far out on the | 0:49:39 | 0:49:44 | |
limb that was nowhere else for him to go. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
But the reason that he's so good was that he was following his | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
own preoccupation with such integrity. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
The Wake maybe more often written about than read, | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
but it has come to assume an iconic role in English literature. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
The book has bequeathed new words to the English language, | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
and nuclear physicists have even found that its linguistic patterning | 0:50:09 | 0:50:13 | |
corresponds to complex fractals, | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
the geometric figures that that | 0:50:16 | 0:50:17 | |
feature in the structures of everything | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
from snowflakes to the galaxies of stars. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
I love that it exists, you know. It had to exist. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:28 | |
It's incredibly important that it exists. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
Someone had to do it and there's no-one else except for Joyce who | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
could have pulled it off and had the, you know, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
persistence and the intelligence and the vision to do it. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:42 | |
Some things need to be done just because they need to be done. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
By the time he finished the Wake, Joyce had, | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
in the words of one friend, | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
"Consumed almost all of his substance, physical and spiritual, | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
"moral and material." | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
Perhaps the years of illness coupled with excessive drinking and | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
creative struggle had taken their toll, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
and there were other urgent issues to be addressed. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
Germany's wild attack becomes more savage every hour. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
Down swoop their bombers on undefended towns, | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
down upon women and children. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
On May the 10th, 1940, | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
the German Wehrmacht launched a blitzkrieg across a wide front. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
The armies of France, Belgium, and the Netherlands were soon defeated, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:29 | |
and German forces were able to enter Paris. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
Joyce was still a British citizen, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:37 | |
and Great Britain was at war with Nazi Germany. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
He also represented everything in art that the Nazis despised. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
Beyond that, his daughter Lucia was in a psychiatric hospital, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
while his grandson Stephen was half Jewish, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
and Joyce knew how the Nazis dealt with mental patients and with Jews. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
Joyce decided to seek refuge once again in Switzerland. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:08 | |
But crossing the Swiss border this time proved more difficult. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
By the end of his life, Joyce was once again short of money. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
Eventually, he managed to cross the Swiss border with Nora, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
Giorgio and Stephen. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
Joyce arrived in Geneva in December 1940, | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
travelling on to Zurich a few days later. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
He arrived there broken and sick, | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
and wrote with relief to thank the mayor of Zurich for his help in | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
facilitating his family's entry. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
Less than a month after he arrived in Switzerland, | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
Joyce was overcome with stomach pains. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
He was admitted to hospital, and an X-ray revealed a perforated ulcer. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
At first, it seemed that an operation had been successful, | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
and he worried who would pay for it. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
The next day, he lapsed into a coma. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
At one o'clock in the morning of January the 13th, 1941, he woke, | 0:53:52 | 0:53:58 | |
and asked a nurse to call Nora at once. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
But before she could arrive at the hospital, Joyce was dead. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:05 | |
Joyce was the great escapologist. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
In the Portrait of the Artist, | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
he said, "I've got to fly the nets | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
"of nationality, religion, of family." | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
He gets away. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
He gets away from Ireland, he gets away from Dublin, | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
he gets away from his family, he gets away from Catholicism, | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
he gets away from the First World War, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
but he doesn't really get away from the second. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
In the end, history catches up with him. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
I mean, it's a very sad idea that | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
this great man who was taken from us so | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
young had achieved so much. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
I mean, it is really, really almost | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
sickening to think that he published Ulysses when he was 40. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
Joyce was still regarded by many in Ireland as a pornographer | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
and religious apostate. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
Nora's request to repatriate the | 0:55:05 | 0:55:06 | |
body to Ireland was refused by the Irish government. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
When Joyce was buried in Zurich, | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
the Irish Consul was instructed not to attend the funeral. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
A Catholic priest had approached Nora, | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
offering to provide a religious service, but she refused. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
"I couldn't do that to Jim," she said. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
When his daughter Lucia heard of his death, she said, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
"What's he doing under the ground, that idiot? | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
"When will he decide to come out? | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
"He's watching us all the time." | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
Perhaps Lucia's instincts were right, because since his death, | 0:55:47 | 0:55:52 | |
Joyce's presence has continued to be felt. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:55 | |
Not just in works of literature, but | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
also in art, in music, and in cinema. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
When I think of his reputation in the 1970s in Dublin, | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
and how his own family were ashamed that they were related to him, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
you cannot imagine what it would have been like 50, 70, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
80 years ago previously to that. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
I mean, it was just impossible for | 0:56:14 | 0:56:16 | |
someone to have lived in that Dublin. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:17 | |
What amazed me about Joyce is how much he changed over the | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
span of his career. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:27 | |
To me, it's like the Beatles going from their first album through the | 0:56:27 | 0:56:31 | |
White album. Like a relatively short span of time where every possibility | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
is used, exhausted, | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
and then chucked away, and something else has taken its place. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:42 | |
He was someone who could look deep into the human mind, | 0:56:42 | 0:56:47 | |
into all our nasty little secrets, and still find us wonderful. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:52 | |
Bloomsday, the day on which he first walked out with Norma Barnacle and | 0:56:53 | 0:56:58 | |
the day on which he set Ulysses, | 0:56:58 | 0:57:01 | |
is celebrated wherever Joyce's work is read, | 0:57:01 | 0:57:04 | |
which means all over the world. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
In Ireland, the country that once abhorred Joyce and his works, | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
the day has become something of a national festival. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
With an Irish writer, if she or he is any good, | 0:57:16 | 0:57:22 | |
make no mistake, he's also a European writer. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
There is an opinion that the | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
presence of Joyce especially cast a dark | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
shadow on all other fiction that | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
came after him in Ireland, but you know, | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
my response is, you know, look what happens in the shadows. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:42 | |
Badness. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:44 | |
Wonderful, wicked badness. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
Without Joyce's work, no modern literary canon can be complete. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:53 | |
He's read everywhere, taught everywhere, | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
and his influence is felt everywhere, | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
even by those who've never read his books. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
The Irish provenance of his work is indisputable, | 0:58:01 | 0:58:05 | |
but its compass is the world. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:06 |