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# I look at the trouble and hate that is raging | 0:00:21 | 0:00:27 | |
# While my guitar gently weeps | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
# As I'm sitting here doing nothing but ageing | 0:00:31 | 0:00:38 | |
# Still my guitar gently weeps | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
# Gently weeps | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
# Still my guitar gently weeps... # | 0:00:47 | 0:00:53 | |
I always felt really close to the public and where I grew up | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
and that's why, I suppose, I wrote some songs that were like, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
"Hey, you can all experience this," you know? | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
It is, it's available for everyone. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
Ravi, really, it was him who helped me | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
to get back into being a pop singer. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
# Da | 0:01:16 | 0:01:17 | |
# Da-da-da-da-da | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
# Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da... # | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
He was the one who said to me, you know, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
try to find my background, or some roots. What's my roots? | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
I mean, the first thing that meant something, really, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
that I could call a root was riding down the road on my bike | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
and hearing Heartbreak Hotel coming out of somebody's house. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
So, "Right, it's Heartbreak Hotel." | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
So from then, I went from Los Angeles, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
where I was with Ravi with my sitar, went to New York on my way home. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
That was the last time I really played sitar. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
I checked in the hotel in New York. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton happened to be staying there. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
Then I thought, well, maybe I'm better off to get back into being | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
a guitar player, songwriter, whatever I'm supposed to be. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Because I'm never going to be a sitar player, because I've seen | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
1,000 sitar players in India who's twice as better than I'll ever be. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
You want to hear the song I wrote last night? | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
-Yeah. -It's just a very short one. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
# ..doesn't last all morning | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
# A cloudburst doesn't last all day... # | 0:02:32 | 0:02:39 | |
If there's people joining in, I'd appreciate it too. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
It seems I've got... We can forget about the second part of it. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
The only thing... The main thing is... | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
"January 2nd. Started rehearsing at Twickenham. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
"Derek and I are going to do the musical Hey Man. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
"January 3rd. Rehearsing at Twickenham. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
"January 10th. Got up, went to Twickenham, rehearsed until lunchtime, | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
"left The Beatles, went home and, in the evening, did King Of Fuh at Trident Studios." | 0:03:02 | 0:03:08 | |
'January 11th. Got up. John and Yoko came and diverted me at breakfast.' | 0:03:08 | 0:03:14 | |
I just thought, "Well, what's the point of this?" | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
I thought, I'm quite capable of being relatively happy on my own, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:23 | |
And I'm not able to be happy in this situation. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
You know, "I'm getting out of here." | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
It's like... It's complicated now. See, if we can get it simpler... | 0:03:28 | 0:03:34 | |
and then complicate it where it needs complications. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
-But it's complicated in the bit... -It's not complicated. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
But, no, I mean, you know.... | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
I'll play just the chord if you like, and... | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
C'mon, you always get... Always get annoyed when I say that. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
I'm trying to help, but I always hear myself annoying you. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:52 | |
Shall we...try it like this, you know? | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
It's funny that I don't... | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
It's this one, it's like should we play guitar | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
through "Hey, Jude"? Well, I don't think we should. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
Yeah, OK, well, I don't mind. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
I'll play, you know, whatever you want me to play. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
Or I won't play at all if you don't want me to play. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
You know, whatever it is that will please you, I'll do it. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
I wish we could start hearing the tapes now. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
Like, do it and then hear what it is. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
It was just a very, very difficult, stressful time. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
And to be, you know, even under pressure, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
being filmed having a row as well. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
That's what happened. I just got up and I thought, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
"Well, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm out of here." | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
And so I got my guitar and I just went home. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
And wrote Wah-Wah. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:39 | |
Did you ever hear the thing about John Lennon saying, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
when George walked out of the Let It Be session in frustration, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
"Let's get Eric Clapton"? | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
-Yeah. -Did you ever think what it would be like to be in The Beatles? | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
Yeah. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
The pros and cons of being in a band like that... | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
were massively extreme. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
They were times when you just... | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
it was like the closest knit family you've ever seen in your life. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
But as that can be, too, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
the cruelty and the viciousness was unparalleled. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
We didn't underestimate George. We knew that he was peaking, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
you know, as we got to those records. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
He'd not been really interested in the beginning, I don't think. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
And because John and I did so much of the writing, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
he could just leave it to us. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:31 | |
But, erm... | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
I think he realised, you know, that there was something in this. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
That artistically and financially, it was a good thing to get into. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
So by that time, erm, yeah, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
we realised that he was really coming up with the goods. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
I think, you know, with George, you know, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
it wasn't his ambition to be in The Beatles for his whole life. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:54 | |
Sometimes it could be quite difficult to get a song on an album. | 0:05:54 | 0:06:00 | |
When you think that in Let It Be, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
they rehearsed All Things Must Pass and a couple of other | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
of George's songs that didn't make it on to Let It Be, right, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
and didn't make it on to Abbey Road, right, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
but made it onto his first solo album, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
he was stockpiling stuff. You know, stuff was building up. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
# Something in the way she moves | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
# Attracts me like no other lover | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
# Something in the way she woos me | 0:06:36 | 0:06:41 | |
# I don't want to leave her now | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
# You know I believe and how... # | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
I don't honestly believe that giving | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
Something to Joe Cocker, or giving My Sweet Lord to Billy Preston | 0:06:55 | 0:07:00 | |
had anything to do with his confidence as a songwriter. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
I think he was totally confident about the songs. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
The insecurity may have been if The Beatles kept going, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
"How many songs am I going to be able to get on each album?" | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
And with the backlog sort of mounting up of songs | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
that he had, get it out there and get something from it. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
# Somewhere in her smile she knows | 0:07:22 | 0:07:28 | |
# That I need no other lover | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
# Something in her style that shows me | 0:07:37 | 0:07:43 | |
# I don't want to leave her now | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
# You know I believe and how. # | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
Something was a great song, is a great song, | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
and John just said, "That should be a single." | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
And that was the first time that George's song was a single. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
It was usually Paul's, and George was usually the B-side. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
But, you know, he just said, "This should be the single." | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
Because he always cared about George. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
They had something going, you know. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
# You're asking me Will my love grow? | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
# I don't know, I don't know | 0:08:26 | 0:08:32 | |
# You stick around, now it may show | 0:08:34 | 0:08:40 | |
# I don't know, I don't know... # | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
Can you describe the scene at Apple Corps, a typical day? | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
It was a bit like spin the top and see where it goes. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
You know, George met the Hells Angels, right, and said, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
"Hey, if you're ever in London, pop in to Apple. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
"We'd love to see you." You know. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Never thinking it's going to happen. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
Six months later, you know, 30 motorbikes, you know, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
Harley Davidsons, are outside the offices in Savile Row, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
you know, with the Hells Angels. "Well, George said it was OK." | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
Right, they're all living in Apple. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
At a Christmas party, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
John and Yoko came as Father and Mother Christmas, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
and we had this 24-pound turkey | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
that only had to make it from here to that couch. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:35 | |
That's where the table was. Didn't make it, right? | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
Two guys were carrying it in, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
and the Hells Angels just ripped it to pieces. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
By the time it got to the table, there was nothing left. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
And then, you know, they were sleeping in the studio and stuff | 0:09:47 | 0:09:52 | |
and so we asked them to go. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
You know, "Could you please leave." And they said, "No. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
"George asked us. It's nothing to do with you. George said it was OK." | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
Right. "Well, George is going to have to tell them to leave." Right? | 0:10:01 | 0:10:07 | |
So... | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
George knew the situation and knew he would have to ask them to leave | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
but he had to figure out how he was going to ask them. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
And, er... | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
So he did it very well. He was talking to them and he said, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
"You know, there's yin and yang, in and out, up and down, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:30 | |
"you're here, you go." | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
And they said, "OK." And went. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
I think we'd kind of come to the end of our tether. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
We'd sort of done about all we wanted to do. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
We would get a bit testy with each other. It was like a marriage. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
You know, you love each other, but you're getting fed up. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
And then we'd solve it, and we're good friends. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
We'd realise we loved each other, and it was all cool. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
But then we'd argue again, you know. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
My house was like the reconciliation house. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
We all shouted at each other and talked it over | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
and then we went back to work. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
He comes in, he'd been to India again, I think, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
and he says, "I've got this song. It's like seven-and-a-half time." | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
"Yeah, so?" | 0:11:12 | 0:11:13 | |
You know, he might as well have talked to me in Arabic, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
you know what I mean? | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
# Here comes the sun, do-do-do-do-do | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
# Here comes the sun | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
# And I say, It's all right... # | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
-PATS HIS KNEES -Da-da! And that's how I come off. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
I had to find some way that I could physically do it, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
and do it every time so it came off on the time. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
That's one of those Indian tricks. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
I had no way of going, "One, two, three, four, five, six, seven." | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
It's not my brain. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
So as long as I did, "Der-der-ler, do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do da-da!" | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
"OK, that's seven. Good. Got it." | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
It was one of those beautiful spring mornings. I think it was April. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
We were just walking round the garden with our guitars. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
And that was... I don't do that, you know. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
I'd only ever do... This was what George brought to the situation. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
He was just a magical guy and he would show up with his guitar, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
get out the guitar, get out of the car with the guitar | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
and come in and you'd start playing. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
And we'd walk around the garden. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
We sat down at the bottom of the garden, looking out over the... | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
And the sun was shining and it was a beautiful morning | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
and he started to sing. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
Started to sing Here Comes The Sun, the opening lines, you know, and... | 0:12:29 | 0:12:35 | |
and I just watched this thing come to life. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
# Little darling | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
# It's been a long, cold, lonely winter | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
# Little darling | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
# It feels like years since it's been here | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
# Here comes the sun, do-do-do-do | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
# Here comes the sun | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
# And I say, it's all right... # | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
What would you say you learned from each other? | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
I'd say we just learned a bunch of stuff. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
What it was, we'll never know. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
And I always liken us to like, four corners of a square. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
People say, "You know, John was the impor..." | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
or "John and Paul were the important ones." | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
And so and so and so and so. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:26 | |
But I say, "No, no, no, it's a square." | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
Without any of those corners, you collapse. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
The days that we spent as these Beatles, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
and we'll probably die as Beatles, err... | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
you know, we understood it. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
No one else will ever understand that. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
And, you know, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
we actually understood it cos we experienced it. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
How did you feel when the band finally called it quits? | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
It was very difficult. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
We'd done this a long time, and as I said before, you know, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
no matter how bad it was - | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
and some days it was very bad in the studio, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
just the atmosphere and the tension and the distance - | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
but...we, you know... If the count-in came in, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
if someone counted it in, we all gave everything. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
It was quite obvious that the Beatles gave us | 0:14:11 | 0:14:16 | |
the vehicle to be able to do so much. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
When we were younger we grew right through that, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
but it got to a point where it was stifling us. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
There was too much restriction. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
You know, it had to self-destruct. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
And I wasn't feeling bad about anybody wanting to leave. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
I wanted out myself. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:37 | |
I could see a much, you know, better time for myself by, you know, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
being away from the band. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
# What I feel | 0:14:45 | 0:14:46 | |
# I can't say | 0:14:49 | 0:14:50 | |
# But my love is there for you any time of day | 0:14:52 | 0:14:58 | |
# But if it's not love | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
# That you need | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
# Then I'll try my best to make everything succeed | 0:15:07 | 0:15:13 | |
# Tell me, what is my life without your love? | 0:15:14 | 0:15:20 | |
# Tell me who am I without you | 0:15:22 | 0:15:29 | |
# By my side? | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
# What I know | 0:15:33 | 0:15:34 | |
# I can do... # | 0:15:36 | 0:15:37 | |
The band that I was in, we had more stress than everybody. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
And yet, it's all these other people who are all offing themselves | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
left right and centre. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:45 | |
And sometimes, I'd be in a crazy mode | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
and then Ravi would come and I'd think, "Oh, what am I going to do?" | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
But the moment you just go for it, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:53 | |
then it would turn out much better than you would expect. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
And I used to have the same feeling with... | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
I became quite friendly at one point with, erm, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
Swami Bhaktivedanta, who formed the Krishna temple. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
But I... You know, they'd call me up and say, "Come to the temple," | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
and, "The Swami's here and he'd love to see you." | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
And I'd be like, going through some private nightmare or something, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
and I'd think, "How can I go to the temple when I'm like this?" | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
But then I'd go. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:23 | |
I'd always walk out of there thinking, "Oh, thank you, Lord." | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
I think everything George did, including the songs that he wrote | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
that didn't have spiritual words directly in them, were spiritual | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
and that that was always on his mind. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
Even the song Something, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
that is considered one of the greatest love songs ever written - | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
I think Frank Sinatra said that - can be seen as a love song to God. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
What about the music makes it spiritual, aside from the words? | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
I think the thing about the music that makes it spiritual | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
is the person who's singing it, namely George. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
That he wanted to be spiritual, he had a spiritual dimension to him, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
he was known to be involved in spirituality. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
A mantra as we know it in English means | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
some phrase that's repeated again and again. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
Actually, mantra is a Sanskrit word originally. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
It meant a sacred chant, to this maha mantra. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
Maha means great in Sanskrit. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
It means the great chant for deliverance. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
In 1966, I had gone to San Francisco | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
and I'd heard that the devotees had recorded a record at that time. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
I had also heard that The Beatles had ordered 300 copies of that LP, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
33 1/3 LP vinyl recording. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
And it was a kind of thing where it just sort of passed. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
"OK, the Beatles got 300 copies, so..." | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
After about a week, we just sort of forgot about it. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
But I found out later that George had gotten that record himself | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
and that he and John had chanted the Hare Krishna mantra | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
while sailing somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
for so long that he said that his jaws were aching. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
I think that chanting helped George a lot | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
to overcome feelings of distress and anger. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
He once said to me... George once said that, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
"Once you start chanting, you don't want to stop." | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
I think that he was very attached to the chanting | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
and also to people like myself | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
who were of his age and who were on a spiritual path. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
Sometimes I called him a closet Krishna | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
because he didn't shave his head, he didn't wear robes. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
# Hare Krishna | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
# Hare Krishna | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
# Krishna Krishna | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
# Hare Hare | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
# Hare Rama | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
# Hare Rama | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
# Rama Rama | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
# Hare Hare | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
# Hare Krishna | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
# Hare Krishna | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
# Krishna Krishna | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
# Hare Hare... # | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
He wanted to make an album for the Radha Krishna Temple. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
All of these people in their white robes, bald heads, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
going round, hitting the Indian bells - | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
just trying to, at times, record all of them with them | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
not necessarily keeping still all the time, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
and some of the weird instruments that were being | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
brought in to be recorded, it was absolutely fascinating. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
# Hare Krishna | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
# Hare Krishna | 0:19:17 | 0:19:18 | |
# Krishna Krishna | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
# Hare Hare | 0:19:20 | 0:19:21 | |
# Hare Rama | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
# Hare Rama | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
# Rama Rama | 0:19:25 | 0:19:26 | |
# Hare Hare. # | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
I remember hearing it on a car radio somewhere in the east part of... | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
east London, and the disc jockey saying, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
"That was a song by a group of bald-headed Americans." | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
George said about taking on this project himself, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
recording the devotees singing the Hare Krishna mantra, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
was that he wanted to get across what he believed | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
through a medium that he was familiar with. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
And that was chanting, that was a 45 record. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
And it was quite amazing because myself and none of us thought | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
that this was going to be a popular record, | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
and yet it became very popular. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
It was played in the intermission at the Isle of Wight concert, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
when Bob Dylan was setting up. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
And then it was played at the intermission | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
in a football game in Manchester, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
where Manchester United was a very popular soccer team. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
All the fans, who were probably just there to watch the soccer, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
started singing along because it was only three words | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
and they could do it. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:22 | |
There were 5,000 football fans singing Hare Krishna. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
People always say I'm the Beatle who changed the most. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
But really that's what I see life is about. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
The point is, unless you're God-conscious | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
then you have to change, because... because it's a waste of time. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:40 | |
Everybody is so limited and so really useless | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
when you think about the limitations on yourself. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
And the whole thing is to change, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
try and make everything better and better. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
That's what the physical world is about, change. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
# Sunrise doesn't last all morning | 0:20:53 | 0:21:01 | |
# A cloudburst doesn't last all day | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
# Seems my love is up | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
# And has left you with no warning | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
# It's not always going to be this grey | 0:21:17 | 0:21:25 | |
# All things must pass | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
# All things must pass away... # | 0:21:34 | 0:21:39 | |
Well, I'm trying to, I think, but... | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
# Sunset doesn't last all evening... # | 0:21:45 | 0:21:51 | |
He just lived by his deeds. He was spiritual and you knew it. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
And there was no salesmanship involved. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
And it made you spiritual being around him. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
Uh, it made you like those Krishnas, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
who could sometimes be the biggest pain in the necks in the world, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
running around with their robes and their shaved heads | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
and their white powder all over their face. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
Scaring you half to death coming out of a dark studio, glowing. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
It was a very unusual choice, I thought, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
to work with Phil Spector | 0:22:20 | 0:22:21 | |
with the kind of songs you were making on that album. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
Yeah, I suppose it was, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
but he needed a job at the time. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
And I needed somebody to help me | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
because, you know, I mean, after being in a group all the time | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
with a producer suddenly to be a solo artist with no producer, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
-you know, and no group, you know? -Yeah. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
So it's like, you know, it's quite a big jump. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
John phoned me up in the morning. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:48 | |
He said, "I've just written this song and I'm going to record it today | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
"and have it out tomorrow. It's called Instant Karma. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
"Will you come and play on it?" I said, "OK." | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
Got my guitar, went into town, went in the office and Phil was there. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
And I said, "Come on, let's go and do this song with John." | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
And he said, "Whoa, no, no. I can't go. I haven't been invited." | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
And I said, "Don't worry. Just come on." | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
And so he stood at the back of the control room in studio three, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
it was, in Abbey Road. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
And he stood there, and like the engineer | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
was getting all paranoid and Phil wouldn't say anything. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
And after about a couple of hours, I said, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
"Come on, do something." | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
So then he started putting the echo on it. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
McCartney was making an album. John had a single ready to go. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
And now John was talking about making an album already. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
The Plastic Ono Band. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
And I said to George, "You know, you ought to consider making an album." | 0:23:39 | 0:23:45 | |
And I'd only been there 12 hours. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
I went to George's, Friar Park, which he had just purchased, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
and he said, "I have a few ditties for you to hear." | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
It was endless! He had literally hundreds of songs. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
And each one was better than the rest. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
He had all this emotion built up when it released to me. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
I don't think he had played it to anybody. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
Maybe Pattie. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:14 | |
# Wah-wah | 0:24:39 | 0:24:40 | |
# You've given me a wah-wah... # | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
We worked over and over on the songs in the studio | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
so that everybody got the right routine. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
And it sounded really nice and in the control room, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
Phil was in there with the engineer making it sound like this noise. | 0:24:54 | 0:25:00 | |
The first track we ever did was a song called Wah-Wah. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:05 | |
And it sounded really nice in the studio. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
All this nice acoustics and piano and no echo on anything. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
We did it for hours until we, you know, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
he had it right in the control room. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
-Yeah. -We went in to listen to it and I thought, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
I hate it. It's so horrible. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
-Did you say that to him? -Yeah, I said, "It's horrible. I hate it." | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
Eric said, "Oh, I love it." | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
So I said, "Well, you can have it on your album then." | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
But I grew to like it. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
He wouldn't let anything go until it was right. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
My Sweet Lord must have taken about 12 hours | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
to overdub the guitar solos. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
He had nine harmonies working on. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
Bwa, bwa, bwa, bwa, bwa, bwa, bwa. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
He must've had that in triplicate, six-part harmony | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
before we decided on two-part harmony. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
He had it metic... | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
He was a... Perfectionist is not the word. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
Anyone can be a perfectionist. He was beyond that. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
He just had to have it so right, and he would try and try | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
and experiment and experiment and experiment upon experiment. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
Whoa. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
One, two, one, two, three, four. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
# You don't need a love... # | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
You don't need a... HE HUMS | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
I was just going to bed and I was cleaning me teeth | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
and suddenly in me head came this | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
# You don't need a... # HE HUMS | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
All I had to do was pick up the guitar, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
find what key it was in and fill in the missing words. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
# You don't need a love in | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
# You don't need a bedpan | 0:26:59 | 0:27:00 | |
# You don't need a horoscope | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
# Or a microscope to see the mess that you're in | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
# If you open up your heart | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
# You know what I mean | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
# Been polluted so long | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
# Here's a way for you to get clean | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
# While the Pope owns 51% of General Motors | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
# And the stock exchange | 0:27:22 | 0:27:23 | |
# Is the only thing he's qualified to quote us | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
# But the Lord is awaiting on you all To awaken and see | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
# By chanting the names of the Lord And you'll be free | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
# You don't need a love in | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
# You don't need no bedpan | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
# You don't need a horoscope | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
# Or a microscope To see the mess that you're in | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
# If you open up your heart | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
# You will know what I mean | 0:27:59 | 0:28:00 | |
# We've been polluted so long | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
# Now here's a way for you to get clean | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
# By chanting the names of the Lord | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
# And you'll be free | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
# The Lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
# By chanting the names of the Lord and you'll be free | 0:28:16 | 0:28:23 | |
# The Lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see... # | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
The album took six months to make. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
And George had endless time. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
He never really knew if he wanted the album to come out. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
So the longer it took to make, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
the better George, the happier George was. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
I picked My Sweet Lord of all the songs. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
cos I told him that's the hit. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
And everybody fought me on that | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
cos they said it's got religious overtones in it. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
I just said it didn't matter. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
It's the most commercial song in it. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
And George was even nervous about it | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
because of Hare Krishna in it | 0:29:11 | 0:29:12 | |
and My Sweet Lord and was the public ready for it. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
I said, "It doesn't matter. It's a hit record." | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
I thought a lot about whether to do My Sweet Lord or not. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
Having written it, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
I thought it's really committing myself to something. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
There's going to be a lot of people are going to really hate me. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
Because people fear the unknown, you see. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
It's some sort of instinct in people. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
The point was that I was sticking my neck out on the chopping block. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:41 | |
-But at the same time, I thought, "Well, nobody's saying it." -Yeah. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
I wish somebody else was doing it. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
So that, you know, to represent, you know, cos everything | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
should be represented in a way. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
If everybody's just going "Be bop, baby" you know, OK. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
We were on tour with Bonnie & Delaney. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
They came over to England and George was a big fan. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
And one place we were, we had a piano in the dressing room. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
And, uh, the discussion was, how do you write a gospel song? | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
So I went to the piano and started playing some gospel changes. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
And I don't know if it was Delaney or Bonnie, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
but one of them starts, # Oh, my Lord. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
And then they went on # We say hallelu... # | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
# My sweet Lord Mmm, my Lord | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
# My sweet Lord... # | 0:30:30 | 0:30:31 | |
# Well, I really wanna see you | 0:30:31 | 0:30:36 | |
# I really want to be with you | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
# I really want to see you, Lord | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
# But it takes so long, oh, Lord | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
# My sweet Lord. # | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
VOICES IN HARMONY | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
# My sweet Lord | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
# Oh, my sweet Lord | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
# Oh, my... # | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
What is it about it that makes it so timeless? | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
Well, is it? Uh, first it's simple, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
you know, and the repetition. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
You know, really, I think, the thing about a mantra, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:25 | |
you see, it's got a mantra in there. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
And, uh, mantras are... | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
Well, they call it a mystical sound vibration | 0:31:31 | 0:31:37 | |
encased in a syllable. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
It has this power within it, and you know, it's just hypnotic | 0:31:39 | 0:31:45 | |
and it's kinda nice. You know, it's nice. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
I mean, I'd have done that mantra for ages. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
Once I chanted it for, like, three days non-stop | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
just driving through Europe. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
And you just get like hypnotised. You get a... | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
on some subtle level which makes you feel | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
so good that you don't want to stop. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
MUSIC: "My Sweet Lord" by George Harrison | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
George's huge commitment to Indian spirituality | 0:32:59 | 0:33:04 | |
and how that would lead him to be fairly dismissive of | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
the material things that we'd all come to enjoy, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
you know, and so he was trying to remove himself from that in some way, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
and even in a physical way, you know? | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
And I had become, bit by bit, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
more and more obsessed with his wife Pattie. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
And was making amateur kind of inroads | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
into finding out what was going on | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
and what was happening to their relationship. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
And at the same time trying to balance my relationship with him. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
And when we finally did start to act it out, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
I mean, I went to George right away and said, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
"Look, I think this is going to happen, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
"and I think, you know, it is already, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
"there's the feelings there. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:53 | |
I have to know what you feel about that." | 0:33:53 | 0:33:58 | |
It was almost like, well, if you want me to stop and go away, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:03 | |
I will, you know. But I need to know what... | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
And he was very kind of cavalier, you know? | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
He said, "Well, take her. She's yours," kind of thing, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
"But, in fact, can I have that, we'll swap." | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
And to be honest, it had kind of almost got to that before anyway. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:22 | |
There was a lot of kind of swapping going on, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
and a lot of fooling around. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:26 | |
And this is, you know, '60s free-love stuff. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
I mean, so... | 0:34:29 | 0:34:30 | |
And George's attitude seemed to have more wisdom in it than anyone else's, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:36 | |
in that this is all material, it's all Maya, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
it's all irrelevant to the bigger picture. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
Doesn't really matter, in other words. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
And I thought, phew, God, you know, well, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
that's almost like giving me carte blanche. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
-PATTIE: -From time to time, during the spring and summer of 1970 | 0:34:50 | 0:34:55 | |
Eric and I saw each other. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
One day we were walking down Oxford Street when | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
Eric said, "Do you like me, then, or are you seeing me | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
"because I'm famous?" | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
I replied, "Oh, I thought you were seeing me because I'm famous." | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
And we both laughed. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
He always found it difficult to talk about his feelings. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
Instead, he poured them into his music and writing. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
Another of our secret meetings took place at a flat | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
in South Kensington in London. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
Eric wanted me to listen to a song he'd written. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
He switched on the tape machine, turned up the volume, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
and played me the most powerful, moving song I'd ever heard. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
It was Layla, about a man who falls hopelessly in love with a woman | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
who loves him but is unavailable. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
My first thought was, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:37 | |
"Oh, God, everyone's going to know who this is." | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
I felt uncomfortable that he was pushing me in a direction | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
I wasn't certain I wanted to go. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
But the song got the better of me with the realisation that | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
I had inspired such passion and such creativity. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
I could no longer resist. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
That evening, I went to a party | 0:35:55 | 0:35:56 | |
at the rock manager Robert Stigwood's house | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
in Stanmore, North London. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
George had said he didn't want to go. Eric was there. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
And I felt elated by what had happened earlier in the day. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
But also felt deeply guilty. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
# Isn't it a pity... # | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
Much later in the evening, George appeared. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
He kept asking "Where's Pattie?" | 0:36:15 | 0:36:16 | |
# Isn't it a shame... # | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
He was about to leave when he spotted me in the garden with Eric. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
# How we break each other's hearts... # | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
He came over to us and said, "What's going on?" | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
# And cause each other pain... # | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
Eric said, "I have to tell you, man, that I'm in love with your wife. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
# How we take each other's love... # | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
George was furious. He turned to me and said... | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
# Without thinking any more... # | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
.."Well, are you going with him or coming with me?" | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
# Forgetting to give back... # | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
And I said, "George, I'm coming home." | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
# Isn't it a pity... # | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
# Wah-wah | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
# You've given me a wah-wah | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
# And I'm thinking of you | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
# And all the things that we used to do | 0:37:40 | 0:37:45 | |
# Wah-wah | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
# Wah-wah... # | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
George was always so in tune with people. He loved Ravi. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
When Ravi told him how bad it was, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
I think he just started making calls immediately. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
Ravi came to me and he said if he was to do a concert, maybe | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
play to so many thousand people, but to the size of the problem, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
the money, the funds that would be made would just be so small. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
So that's where I came along. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
I can generate money by doing concerts and by making records. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:33 | |
George, how much money do you hope to get from this? | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
Well, it depends really. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
Maybe through the concerts, we could estimate maybe about... | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
How much? | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
-Quarter of a million. -Maybe 250,000 from the concert. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
But if we record the concert and film the concert | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
then maybe that would be a greater way of making the money. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
You know, a record could possibly sell a million, two million. | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
Thank you. If you appreciate the tuning so much, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
I hope you'll enjoy the playing more. Thank you. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:28 | |
# Watch out now, take care | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
# Beware of falling swingers | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
# Dropping all around you | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
# The pain that often mingles | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
# In your fingertips | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
# Beware of darkness | 0:40:44 | 0:40:49 | |
# Watch out now, take care | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
# Beware of the thoughts that linger | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
# Winding up inside your head | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
# The hopelessness around you | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
# In the dead of night | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
# Beware of sadness | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
# It can hit you | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
# It will hurt you | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
# Make you sore and what is more | 0:41:37 | 0:41:42 | |
# That is not what you are here for. # | 0:41:42 | 0:41:47 | |
There were two concerts. One in the afternoon at two | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
and one at eight o'clock. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
It was the first of its kind, benefit by stars | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
for a relief concert and it was magical. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
That's the only word to describe it | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
because nobody had ever seen anything like that before, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
that amount of star power on stage since Woodstock. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:14 | |
And this was all in two hours on stage at one time. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
Eric was there. Leon Russell was there. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
Ringo was there. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
Dylan was a no-show up until the last minute. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
I had to go down to his apartment and literally get him. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:31 | |
It was chaos. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:32 | |
So we didn't know what we were doing, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
and mics were all over the place. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
We only had three hours to mic the band. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
Then the audience came in. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
We didn't know how to mic the audience. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
So the mixing took six months. The concert took, | 0:42:47 | 0:42:52 | |
the two concerts took four hours. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
And we had to put together what was a Grammy-winning album. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
George knew all these people. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
You know, they were his close friends. I got that second-hand. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:07 | |
You know, I got to meet the great Alla Rakha, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
the greatest tabla player who ever lived, you know? | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
George was always saying, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:14 | |
"Ask Alla Rakha to show you some things." | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
And so, I think he finally | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
got the picture that he oughta show me some things. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
-So he would hold his hands and he'd go... -HE HUMS | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
And he'd do this whole thing, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
this Indian-technique thing and George would be watching. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
I'd look up a few times and George would be watching | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
and laughing, you know? | 0:43:33 | 0:43:34 | |
How am I supposed to understand what it is he's doing. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
This genius trying to teach a rock drummer. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
I really appreciated in later days that he actually | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
went in front of that audience on the Bangladesh concert | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
because he did it for his friends. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
That he actually went up there and talked to an audience. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
I think that must have been about the first time he's ever done this. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
You see, a few things in English, or a few things in German | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
on the stage where it didn't matter, is a big difference than | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
to an audience where he knew it was going to be filmed and used. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
To talk to an audience was very, very difficult for him. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
There's somebody on bass who many people have heard about | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
but they never actually have seen him. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
Klaus Voormann. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
'And one day,' | 0:44:18 | 0:44:19 | |
I was pretty upset. And we walked in the garden. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
And we didn't say much for a long time. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
We sat down on a bench, and we really... | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
..went inside of me. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
He wanted to really find out what made me so sad. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:41 | |
And he did it in such a fantastic way. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
I can't repeat the words, or I can't tell you | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
exactly what it is, but he just, in a fantastic way, | 0:44:47 | 0:44:52 | |
made me feel good. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
Found out what the problem is in no time. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
You know, nobody's ever done this before and will never do it again. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:03 | |
George is a very extreme character. He always goes to the extreme. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:09 | |
If it's taking coke, you know, sniffing coke, | 0:45:09 | 0:45:13 | |
or if it is being open to meditation. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:18 | |
He was in New York, and one time I said, | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
"I'll come over and watch you." | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
And he said, "OK." And then he said, "Oh, Klaus is coming. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
"Hide the stuff." And that made me very, very sad. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
I lived first in the main house, in a room. Old Victorian house. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:36 | |
Beautiful old kitchen. In the early days, you had your servants. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:40 | |
They were going from the kitchen to the front room | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
and bringing you the food. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
They had to walk through five doors, "Oh, I left the spoons." | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
Had to go back. It was really crazy. It was not meant to be lived in | 0:45:49 | 0:45:55 | |
by normal people. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
So I at a certain point suggested to George, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
"Why don't you put the kitchen where you are? Just build a kitchen!" | 0:46:01 | 0:46:06 | |
He said, "That's a good idea." | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
So he actually built a kitchen downstairs where you look into the garden. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:13 | |
The man who built the house, he must have been a nutcase. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
Just a complete maniac. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
One thing, for example, | 0:46:19 | 0:46:20 | |
he has a picture of a friar with a frying pan in his hand. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:28 | |
And with holes in it. And it says underneath, "Two holy friars." | 0:46:28 | 0:46:33 | |
You know. Stupid stuff, in a way. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
It's not really very bright. But that's what the whole place was. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
It was like a joke, in a way. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
"Before I bought it, the house | 0:46:44 | 0:46:45 | |
"was going to be knocked down because the Catholics would not pay | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
"for the upkeep. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:50 | |
"What a thing to knock down a house like this. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
"Sir Frank helped my awareness. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:54 | |
"Whatever it was I felt became stronger or found more expression | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
"by moving into that house, | 0:46:58 | 0:46:59 | |
"because everything stepped up or was heightened. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
"There were disasters all around at that time. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
"Some were great, some were awful, some were drawn out, | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
"painful, miserable. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
"Some were not disasters after all. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
"But the thing about Sir Frank with his advice like, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
"'Scan not a friend with microscopic glass.' | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
"I mean, that helped me | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
"actively to ease up on whomsoever I thought I loved. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
"It gave me the consciousness not to hang onto the negative side | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
"of it, to be more forgiving." | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
One way of starting a day was for him to get up when the sun gets up, | 0:47:31 | 0:47:37 | |
sit down and meditate. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
For a long time he had a special room in the house | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
where he was going to meditate. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
And he was very proud of this. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:46 | |
He would come to me and tell me about it, how strong he was, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
and he was fighting the bad parts in his body and, uh, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:55 | |
he was really opening up. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
JOAN TAYLOR: George liked turning you on to things that he liked | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
and was interested in, whether you were a little kid | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
or whether you were a grown up. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
For our kids their first experiences at George's house were not unlike | 0:48:08 | 0:48:16 | |
the experience that Derek and I had | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
when we went on that weekend to Sussex, but without the drugs. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:23 | |
The impression it made upon them, it's such a wonderful place. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:28 | |
The caves, the lake, the shape of the house. Everything. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:33 | |
The detail. It was just a dream. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
# Give me love, give me love | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
# Give me peace on Earth | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
# Give me light, give me life | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
# Keep me free from birth | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
# Give me hope, help me cope | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
# With this heavy load | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
# Trying to touch and reach you | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
# With heart and soul | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
# Oh | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
# My Lord | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
# Please | 0:49:14 | 0:49:20 | |
# Take hold of my hand... # | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
He created an atmosphere in the studio. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
He put up joss sticks, make a nice smell. He put the lights down. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:29 | |
He really made it into a real tranquil, nice sort of surrounding. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:34 | |
Everybody felt just great. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
He would sit down with the guitar most of the time, | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
play the song to us. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:42 | |
And then slowly we'd start | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
picking up on what the feel of the song was. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
We could take our time, find our sound, | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
do what we wanted, make suggestions. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
George had such a beautiful touch | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
on the slide, you know. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:16 | |
George had that kind of sound that'd make you cry. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
When I hear certain songs he's played slide on, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
it just takes me right to a place. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
He loved to find the right note and, you know, if you listen to | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
anything he's playing the solo on, he certainly did. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
If I had him on my records, you didn't have to read it, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
"Oh, that's George." You know? | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
He found that incredible, it's like a haunting | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
and emotional sound he got from his slide-ish guitar. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:47 | |
-GEORGE: -With Ravi, the times when he's completely absorbed | 0:50:47 | 0:50:52 | |
so much into the music where he's forgotten | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
-that he's even sitting there playing. -Mm-hm. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
And he only remembers when he's finished the piece | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
and he comes out and the audience applaud. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
That's the moment when he realises he's transcended | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
and been somewhere, which is the same in meditation. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
Sometimes, I think great people can project their greatness. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:15 | |
They don't have to shout about it. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
The concert Eric did, | 0:51:18 | 0:51:19 | |
Eric Clapton at the Rainbow. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
Watching the concert, I was so aware of Eric. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
All he did was he had his eyes closed | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
and he was playing some fantastic guitar, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
and his foot was tapping. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
The thing was that the magic was coming out of Eric's... | 0:51:33 | 0:51:37 | |
-..soul, or whatever. -Mm. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:39 | |
-Through his guitar. -Yeah. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
And it was at that point where he just looked like an angel. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
-JIM KELTNER: -When George was ready to make a record, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
he'd just say he's got some new songs, | 0:51:48 | 0:51:50 | |
and, uh, would I be wanting to, you know, come and play on 'em. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
When he put out Living In The Material World, on the back | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
of the record he put, "Jim Keltner Fan Club - | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
"send a self-undressed elephant to Jim Keltner Fan Club." All that. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:06 | |
And so I saw that, I went, "George, what's that, man? | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
"What did you do?" | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
And he said, "Well, I figured if I'm going to do a fan club, | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
I'm going to make it about somebody who I'm a big fan of." | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
What a tremendous thing, you know? | 0:52:18 | 0:52:20 | |
It was a little embarrassing, but yet it just, you know, | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
George was always having fun. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
I was getting, uh, weird letters from crazy people. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
I got a couple of Polaroids from this crazy guy. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
There was an arrow through a piece of meat, | 0:52:34 | 0:52:36 | |
I think it was a heart, I think he bought a heart or something, | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
some kind of big piece of meat, and there was an arrow going through it. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
You know, and then there was like, | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
one with a knife and blood dripping, and that was | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
right about the time that I, uh, had bars put on our windows. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:53 | |
George stepped back. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
And that step back to me means that he got very heavily into drugs | 0:52:56 | 0:53:03 | |
and things, which, I don't know the reason why that happened. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:08 | |
# What I feel | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
-# I can't say -I can't say | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
# My love is there for you every time of day | 0:53:31 | 0:53:38 | |
-# If it's not love -If it's not love | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
-# That you need -That you really, really need | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
# I try my best to make everything succeed | 0:53:46 | 0:53:52 | |
# Tell me what is my life without your love? | 0:53:54 | 0:53:59 | |
# Hey, man | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
# Tell me who am I without you | 0:54:01 | 0:54:06 | |
# By my side? | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
# Oh, tell me... # | 0:54:11 | 0:54:12 | |
GEORGE GURGLES | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
Recommended by Eric Clapton, | 0:54:19 | 0:54:24 | |
Barbra Streisand and many other top-notch singers and entertainers. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:29 | |
Secret mixture of honey, vinegar and... | 0:54:29 | 0:54:34 | |
warm water. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
And your throat will never bother you again. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
You just won't have a throat! | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
But it coats what you don't have, so they tell me. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:53 | |
And... | 0:54:53 | 0:54:55 | |
Hey, the ex-Beatle himself. Get a programme! | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
Hey, today's two-head programme! | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
Hey, George, ex-Beatle, Harrison programme! | 0:56:13 | 0:56:17 | |
# You thought that you knew where I was and when | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
# It looks like you've been foolin' you again | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
# You thought that you had got me all staked out | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
# But, baby, looks like I've been breaking out | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
# I'm a dark horse | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
# I'm running on a dark race course | 0:56:42 | 0:56:44 | |
# And now I'm a blue moon | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
# Since I stepped out of the womb | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
# I've been a cool jerk | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
# Looking for the source | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
# I'm a dark horse. # | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
The critics were brutal. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 | |
I remember that about Ravi opening the show | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
and then about George's voice being gone and shot. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
Yeah, it probably, his voice probably was very weak or, you know, and beat-up. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 | |
And maybe a lot of people they saw bored with the Indian set. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
But that did not deter George. And, by the way, not everybody was bored with it. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
And not everybody thought that his voice sounded horrible. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
They just loved hearing those songs and him trying... | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
to deliver them the best he could. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:40 | |
My next move will be Madison Square Garden. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:45 | |
After that, I'll go back to the hotel, | 0:57:45 | 0:57:48 | |
then it'll be Madison Square Garden again. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
# Baby, looks like you...# | 0:57:51 | 0:57:52 | |
After that, I'll probably just collapse. I don't know. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:56 | |
He liked the moon. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:04 | |
You know, if the wind was blowing and the full moon was up, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
he'd put on Bing Crosby singing Sweet Leilani | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
and just make the moment even better. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:15 | |
And then he might hand you a gardenia. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
He just painted life like that. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:21 | |
He drew all the elements in. He was a very sensual person. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:25 | |
Sensual in the way that whatever you ate had to have a flavour. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:32 | |
You know, had to have some special flavour. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:35 | |
If there was a flower, he wanted it to smell or be bright. | 0:58:35 | 0:58:39 | |
When I first met him, he said, "I don't want you to think | 0:58:39 | 0:58:42 | |
"you've discovered something about me I don't know. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:45 | |
"I'm not claiming to be this or that or anything. | 0:58:45 | 0:58:49 | |
"People think they've found you out when I'm not hiding anything." | 0:58:50 | 0:58:54 | |
For whatever his, you know, faults were, and his.... | 0:58:57 | 0:59:01 | |
He had karma to work out. | 0:59:01 | 0:59:03 | |
And he wasn't going to come back and be bad. | 0:59:03 | 0:59:06 | |
He was going to be good and bad and loving and angry | 0:59:06 | 0:59:10 | |
and everything all at once. | 0:59:10 | 0:59:11 | |
You know, if someone said to you "OK, you can go through your life | 0:59:11 | 0:59:15 | |
"and you can have everything in five lifetimes, | 0:59:15 | 0:59:18 | |
"or you can have a really intense one and have it in one, | 0:59:18 | 0:59:20 | |
"and then you can go and be liberated", | 0:59:20 | 0:59:23 | |
he would've said, "Give me the one. I'm not coming back here." | 0:59:23 | 0:59:26 | |
I thought he was really... | 0:59:26 | 0:59:28 | |
somebody who was saying something that I connected with. | 0:59:28 | 0:59:31 | |
He was really a very captivating person. | 0:59:31 | 0:59:33 | |
And we seemed, he was working. | 0:59:33 | 0:59:36 | |
And I liked, uh, you know, I liked the music. | 0:59:36 | 0:59:39 | |
I liked what he was doing. We just seemed like partners... | 0:59:39 | 0:59:42 | |
from the very beginning. | 0:59:42 | 0:59:44 | |
-Jim Keltner's here? -Yeah. | 0:59:46 | 0:59:48 | |
About how long does it look like? | 0:59:49 | 0:59:52 | |
-About three minutes. -Good. | 0:59:52 | 0:59:54 | |
# Everyone has choice | 0:59:54 | 0:59:58 | |
# When to or not to raise their voices | 0:59:58 | 1:00:02 | |
# It's you that decides | 1:00:02 | 1:00:05 | |
# Which way you will turn | 1:00:05 | 1:00:08 | |
# While feeling that our love's not your concern | 1:00:08 | 1:00:12 | |
# It's you that decides | 1:00:13 | 1:00:15 | |
# No-one around you will carry the blame for you | 1:00:16 | 1:00:22 | |
# No-one around you | 1:00:22 | 1:00:24 | |
# Will love you today and throw it all away | 1:00:24 | 1:00:28 | |
# Tomorrow when you rise...# | 1:00:28 | 1:00:30 | |
'There was this amazing sunset. Just orange sky.' | 1:00:30 | 1:00:35 | |
And he said, "That is what I want to do." | 1:00:35 | 1:00:39 | |
Now...somebody might say, "What?" | 1:00:41 | 1:00:45 | |
You know, "What do you want to do?" | 1:00:45 | 1:00:47 | |
What? He wanted to make, he wanted to be able to create that sunset. | 1:00:47 | 1:00:52 | |
When we were first on tour, | 1:00:52 | 1:00:54 | |
and we were in customs and they were going through my baggage, | 1:00:54 | 1:00:57 | |
I hadn't revealed anything to George, really. | 1:00:57 | 1:00:59 | |
They're going through my handbag. He said, "Oh, you've got that book, do you..?" | 1:00:59 | 1:01:03 | |
He was like going through my bag with the customs. "You read that, you've read that. That's good." | 1:01:03 | 1:01:08 | |
He was approving of... | 1:01:08 | 1:01:12 | |
..of my journey, | 1:01:13 | 1:01:15 | |
and he, I think, considered himself a bit of an expert on spiritual matters. | 1:01:15 | 1:01:23 | |
Yeah, we had our differences. | 1:01:23 | 1:01:26 | |
I might have done a different technique than he did. | 1:01:26 | 1:01:28 | |
But we both had the same goal. | 1:01:28 | 1:01:30 | |
And I think that was really the key to everything in our lives. | 1:01:30 | 1:01:35 | |
He had this ability to bottom line everything by pulling focus | 1:01:35 | 1:01:40 | |
and showing you the cosmic world of this galaxy | 1:01:40 | 1:01:43 | |
and there you were suddenly, just this little person | 1:01:43 | 1:01:47 | |
with his own little problems, fretting away on the surface. | 1:01:47 | 1:01:50 | |
So, I had heard a little about George, uh, liking Python, | 1:01:50 | 1:01:53 | |
and I'd been a bit wary because, you know... | 1:01:53 | 1:01:56 | |
I don't want to know about somebody famous, you know. | 1:01:56 | 1:01:59 | |
We had the screening of The Holy Grail | 1:01:59 | 1:02:01 | |
and it went really well and suddenly there he was, going "Well, this is fucking great." | 1:02:01 | 1:02:06 | |
And he said, "Let's go upstairs." | 1:02:06 | 1:02:07 | |
And then we started a dialogue which went on for about 48 hours. | 1:02:07 | 1:02:11 | |
It was extraordinary. I mean, it was like bla, bla, bla... | 1:02:11 | 1:02:15 | |
Well, George was very fond of Rutland Weekend Television. | 1:02:15 | 1:02:19 | |
On Rutland Weekend Television, we did a send-up called The Rutles. | 1:02:19 | 1:02:24 | |
It was like a Hard Day's Rut. | 1:02:24 | 1:02:26 | |
We were on Abbey Road filming. | 1:02:26 | 1:02:28 | |
And I'm dressed as...Paul. | 1:02:28 | 1:02:31 | |
And then Neil was dressed as John with a huge big beard. | 1:02:31 | 1:02:38 | |
And we're there, we're on Abbey Road, and these people, "You're the Beatles! | 1:02:38 | 1:02:43 | |
"You're the Beatles!" It's 20 years later, you know. | 1:02:43 | 1:02:45 | |
"You think they're still here?" But George is standing with us, | 1:02:45 | 1:02:49 | |
and they don't recognise him. He's laughing his ass off. | 1:02:49 | 1:02:52 | |
We're getting signed autographs, and they don't notice it's George. | 1:02:52 | 1:02:56 | |
Existence is kind of funny because of our temporality. | 1:02:56 | 1:03:01 | |
Here we go round pretending to be kings and emperors, | 1:03:01 | 1:03:03 | |
and you're going to die. You're in a box in a minute or two. | 1:03:03 | 1:03:07 | |
So we are constantly undercut by our own physicality, | 1:03:07 | 1:03:11 | |
our own physical bodies, which let us down. | 1:03:11 | 1:03:15 | |
And you find all these evangelicals, | 1:03:15 | 1:03:17 | |
and suddenly they're having gay sex in Aspen. | 1:03:17 | 1:03:20 | |
"Oh, this body's letting me down all the time." | 1:03:20 | 1:03:22 | |
that's what makes us funny. | 1:03:22 | 1:03:24 | |
George's grounding in what was... | 1:03:24 | 1:03:27 | |
both true and what was, he would test things by what made him laugh | 1:03:27 | 1:03:31 | |
or what was close to his heart. | 1:03:31 | 1:03:34 | |
I've always been surprised Python's proved to be | 1:03:34 | 1:03:36 | |
as long living as it has, cos we were just having fun, | 1:03:36 | 1:03:41 | |
just like they were having fun. We were entertaining ourselves. | 1:03:41 | 1:03:45 | |
We weren't thinking about the audience. | 1:03:45 | 1:03:47 | |
It's like John Lennon said, "You're still fucking peasants to me." | 1:03:47 | 1:03:51 | |
Certain things... There was a kind of arrogance there that... | 1:03:51 | 1:03:54 | |
you're not out there to, you know, | 1:03:54 | 1:03:56 | |
want to be loved so desperately that you'll do anything. | 1:03:56 | 1:04:00 | |
It's about... | 1:04:00 | 1:04:01 | |
maintaining your own integrity and your own view of the world, | 1:04:01 | 1:04:04 | |
whatever that is, and trying to be truthful about it. | 1:04:04 | 1:04:07 | |
We'd written Life of Brian. | 1:04:07 | 1:04:09 | |
We had EMI putting up the money for the movie. | 1:04:09 | 1:04:13 | |
We had designed it. We were heading out on the Saturday | 1:04:13 | 1:04:17 | |
with the crew to Tunisia to start building. | 1:04:17 | 1:04:21 | |
And on Thursday, we get a call. | 1:04:21 | 1:04:23 | |
And Lord Delfont - Bernie to his friends - | 1:04:23 | 1:04:26 | |
had finally got around to reading the script apparently. He hadn't read it before. | 1:04:26 | 1:04:30 | |
He was shocked and horrified, | 1:04:30 | 1:04:32 | |
and said, "There's no way EMI's going to be involved in this blasphemous filth." | 1:04:32 | 1:04:37 | |
And pulled the plug on the Thursday. | 1:04:37 | 1:04:39 | |
And we were dead. | 1:04:39 | 1:04:41 | |
I'd be calling George and he said, "No, I'll pay for it." | 1:04:41 | 1:04:44 | |
So I thought, yeah! All the time he said, "No, I'll take care of it." | 1:04:44 | 1:04:47 | |
And I thought, yeah. We were looking for 4 million, | 1:04:47 | 1:04:52 | |
and nobody has that amount of money, you know. | 1:04:52 | 1:04:54 | |
Eventually, when we got to California, George says, "I've figured it out. | 1:04:54 | 1:04:58 | |
"We're going to create a company and we're going to give you the money." | 1:04:58 | 1:05:03 | |
And it's 4 million and he'd mortgaged his house | 1:05:03 | 1:05:07 | |
to put up the money for this movie, because he wanted to see it. | 1:05:07 | 1:05:11 | |
Which is still the most anybody's ever paid for a cinema ticket. | 1:05:11 | 1:05:14 | |
Thank God you've come, Reg. | 1:05:14 | 1:05:16 | |
I think I should point out first, in all fairness, that we are not, in fact, the rescue committee. | 1:05:16 | 1:05:21 | |
However, I have been asked to read the following prepared statement on behalf of the movement. | 1:05:21 | 1:05:26 | |
"We the People's Front of Judea, brackets, officials, end brackets | 1:05:26 | 1:05:30 | |
"do hereby convey our sincere fraternal and sisterly greetings to you, Brian, | 1:05:30 | 1:05:34 | |
"on this, the occasion of your martyrdom." | 1:05:34 | 1:05:37 | |
-What?! -Goodbye, Brian. And thanks. | 1:05:37 | 1:05:39 | |
If you care about what constitutes what we call western civilisation | 1:05:39 | 1:05:44 | |
and which now probably is coming to an end, | 1:05:44 | 1:05:47 | |
and you were to consider the role that's been played in that, | 1:05:47 | 1:05:52 | |
by this thing that you treat as a piece of buffoonery, | 1:05:52 | 1:05:56 | |
you would have a certain humility in saying | 1:05:56 | 1:06:00 | |
that you have been able, through making it, to shed light. | 1:06:00 | 1:06:05 | |
What we're saying is take a critical view, find out about it. | 1:06:05 | 1:06:09 | |
Don't just believe because somebody tells you to. | 1:06:09 | 1:06:12 | |
Somebody in the pulpit says something, question it. | 1:06:12 | 1:06:15 | |
You keep making the basic assumption that we are ridiculing Christ | 1:06:15 | 1:06:19 | |
and Christ's teaching. And I say that we are not. | 1:06:19 | 1:06:23 | |
Would you imagine your scene, for instance, the sermon on the mount, | 1:06:23 | 1:06:27 | |
-the scene in your film of The Sermon on the Mount... -Right. | 1:06:27 | 1:06:30 | |
..is not ridiculing one of the most sublime utterances | 1:06:30 | 1:06:33 | |
that any human being has ever spoken on this Earth? Of course it is. | 1:06:33 | 1:06:37 | |
A lot of people looking in will think we have actually ridiculed Christ... | 1:06:37 | 1:06:41 | |
-Yes. -..physically. Christ is played by an actor, Ken Colley. | 1:06:41 | 1:06:44 | |
He speaks the words from the sermon on the mount. It's treated absolutely respectfully. | 1:06:44 | 1:06:50 | |
The camera pans away, we go right to the back of the crowd to someone who shouts "Speak up!" | 1:06:50 | 1:06:54 | |
-Because they cannot hear him. Now if that utterly.... -No... | 1:06:54 | 1:06:58 | |
..undermines one's faith in Christ, then I think their faith cannot be terribly strong. | 1:06:58 | 1:07:03 | |
I think he enjoyed the scandal of the whole thing. | 1:07:03 | 1:07:06 | |
He pretended not to, but I think when you actually can alienate | 1:07:06 | 1:07:09 | |
Protestants, Catholics and Jews all at one go, you know, you're doing something. | 1:07:09 | 1:07:14 | |
# Let me in here | 1:07:14 | 1:07:16 | |
# I know I've been here | 1:07:17 | 1:07:18 | |
# Let me into your heart | 1:07:20 | 1:07:28 | |
# Let me know you | 1:07:30 | 1:07:31 | |
# Let me show you | 1:07:33 | 1:07:36 | |
# Let me roll it to you | 1:07:36 | 1:07:44 | |
# All I have is yours | 1:07:45 | 1:07:48 | |
# All you see is mine | 1:07:51 | 1:07:56 | |
# And I'm glad to hold you in my arms | 1:07:56 | 1:08:00 | |
# I'd have you any time... # | 1:08:00 | 1:08:05 | |
When we were editing Life of Brian | 1:08:08 | 1:08:11 | |
and we just had a screening, and George was there, | 1:08:11 | 1:08:15 | |
and we then had a meeting afterwards with all of us, | 1:08:15 | 1:08:17 | |
Denis O'Brien, who was our manager, George and his manager at the time, | 1:08:17 | 1:08:21 | |
and George and it was a shocking moment for him | 1:08:21 | 1:08:25 | |
because there we were disagreeing about everything. | 1:08:25 | 1:08:27 | |
We were arguing what should stay in, what should go out, what was working, what didn't | 1:08:27 | 1:08:32 | |
And I think he was genuinely disturbed | 1:08:32 | 1:08:35 | |
and I think it was the last meeting he ever came to | 1:08:35 | 1:08:37 | |
of the group cos I think after, I think he wanted to believe in something. | 1:08:37 | 1:08:41 | |
He may talk about the spirit of the Beatles going into Python, | 1:08:41 | 1:08:45 | |
but I don't think he wanted the divisive nature of the spirit. | 1:08:45 | 1:08:48 | |
In 1979 I'd finished... | 1:08:48 | 1:08:50 | |
a two-man tour with Elton John. | 1:08:50 | 1:08:54 | |
And, as always when George was around in my life, | 1:08:54 | 1:08:58 | |
the phone would ring. | 1:08:58 | 1:09:00 | |
"What are you doing?" I said, "Well, I'm not doing a lot." | 1:09:00 | 1:09:03 | |
And he said, "Well, I think I've got a film company." | 1:09:03 | 1:09:07 | |
He said, "You know all these theatre people, | 1:09:07 | 1:09:10 | |
"and you love all that stuff, why don't you be me in the office?" | 1:09:10 | 1:09:13 | |
And it was as simple a statement as that. | 1:09:13 | 1:09:16 | |
I said, "When can we start?" He said, "I've started. Life Of Brian's on its way. | 1:09:16 | 1:09:19 | |
"We're thinking about the next one, called Time Bandits. | 1:09:19 | 1:09:22 | |
"There's this madman called Terry Gilliam, you know. | 1:09:22 | 1:09:25 | |
"You'll love him." I said, "I know Terry." "I thought you might know him," | 1:09:25 | 1:09:29 | |
And off we went. | 1:09:29 | 1:09:30 | |
HandMade was called HandMade because we were handmade. | 1:09:30 | 1:09:33 | |
Everything was done in-house, | 1:09:33 | 1:09:36 | |
including, er, quite a lot of the marketing strategy. | 1:09:36 | 1:09:39 | |
We designed posters because we had people like Terry Gilliam who would do those designs. | 1:09:39 | 1:09:43 | |
We had people like Michael Palin and Derek Taylor, | 1:09:43 | 1:09:46 | |
who would come up with great by-lines, all in-house. | 1:09:46 | 1:09:49 | |
So this was again, this was like a giant band, and George loved being in a band. | 1:09:49 | 1:09:53 | |
He missed The Beatles. He missed his mates. | 1:09:53 | 1:09:56 | |
He missed working with people. | 1:09:56 | 1:09:58 | |
He was a great collaborator. He loved being there. | 1:09:58 | 1:10:02 | |
Why is minority music important? | 1:10:09 | 1:10:12 | |
All the music that isn't really sold in your local record store | 1:10:12 | 1:10:16 | |
-in the top hundred... -Well... You're asking me? | 1:10:16 | 1:10:20 | |
Everybody on the charts gets it from somewhere, don't they? | 1:10:20 | 1:10:23 | |
They get it from these little guys in other countries who invented the stuff. | 1:10:23 | 1:10:27 | |
That's how I feel about it. | 1:10:27 | 1:10:29 | |
So it's important purely so they've got something to steal and put in the charts? | 1:10:29 | 1:10:33 | |
No, it's important... LAUGHS That's a good answer. | 1:10:33 | 1:10:36 | |
-Hi, Liv. -Hi. | 1:10:38 | 1:10:40 | |
So why is it important to have all these people at our house? | 1:10:40 | 1:10:46 | |
It's important to have to worry about lots of things and make sure everything's right. | 1:10:46 | 1:10:49 | |
And, uh, well, it's nice to see everyone. | 1:10:49 | 1:10:53 | |
Wonderful people, good food. You like it, don't you, after all? See? | 1:10:53 | 1:10:57 | |
-Thank you. -Yes. | 1:10:57 | 1:10:59 | |
I feel very strongly about major issues. | 1:10:59 | 1:11:01 | |
I don't talk about them an awful lot. | 1:11:01 | 1:11:03 | |
But I feel, uh, very strongly about unfairness. | 1:11:03 | 1:11:07 | |
What do you think we should be doing to make our lives better? | 1:11:07 | 1:11:13 | |
Thank you. | 1:12:01 | 1:12:03 | |
# Give peace a chance | 1:12:03 | 1:12:06 | |
# All we are saying | 1:12:06 | 1:12:09 | |
# Is give peace a chance... # | 1:12:10 | 1:12:12 | |
Mr Chapman came up behind them and called to him Mr Lennon | 1:12:14 | 1:12:19 | |
as he arrived at that doorway. | 1:12:19 | 1:12:21 | |
And then in a combat stance, | 1:12:21 | 1:12:24 | |
he fired, he emptied the Charter Arms 38 calibre gun that he had with him | 1:12:24 | 1:12:29 | |
and...shot John Lennon. | 1:12:29 | 1:12:34 | |
# I bless the day I found you | 1:12:40 | 1:12:45 | |
# I want to stay around you | 1:12:45 | 1:12:52 | |
# And so I beg you | 1:12:53 | 1:12:56 | |
# Let it be me | 1:12:58 | 1:13:01 | |
# Don't take this heaven from one | 1:13:03 | 1:13:08 | |
# If you must cling to someone | 1:13:10 | 1:13:14 | |
# Now and forever | 1:13:15 | 1:13:18 | |
# Let it be me. # | 1:13:21 | 1:13:24 | |
I wonder what you felt, losing someone | 1:13:34 | 1:13:36 | |
who was close to you for all those years. | 1:13:36 | 1:13:40 | |
It's like, uh, losing your parents, | 1:13:40 | 1:13:43 | |
or anybody you know and love. | 1:13:43 | 1:13:45 | |
-He was no angel. -He wasn't. | 1:13:45 | 1:13:47 | |
But he was, as well. | 1:13:47 | 1:13:50 | |
-Was he? -Yeah. | 1:13:50 | 1:13:52 | |
He was really angry that John didn't have a chance | 1:13:53 | 1:13:58 | |
to leave his body in a better way. | 1:13:58 | 1:14:02 | |
Because George put so much emphasis and importance | 1:14:02 | 1:14:06 | |
on the moment of death, of leaving your body. | 1:14:06 | 1:14:09 | |
That was very, um... | 1:14:09 | 1:14:11 | |
That's really what he was practising for. | 1:14:12 | 1:14:15 | |
It's like the Dalai Lama said something that, | 1:14:16 | 1:14:19 | |
we really, um, made us smile. | 1:14:19 | 1:14:22 | |
He said, "What do you do in the morning?" | 1:14:22 | 1:14:25 | |
He said, "I do my practice, I do my mantras, | 1:14:25 | 1:14:27 | |
"I do my spiritual practice." | 1:14:27 | 1:14:29 | |
"How do you know it will work?" He said, "I don't. I'll find out when I die." | 1:14:29 | 1:14:33 | |
And, you know, it's so great. It's like that was it. | 1:14:33 | 1:14:37 | |
I'll, I'm practising this so that when I die I will know | 1:14:37 | 1:14:40 | |
how to leave my body and I'll be familiar and I won't be frightened. | 1:14:40 | 1:14:45 | |
George had a maximum amount of diversion in life. | 1:14:45 | 1:14:48 | |
And, you know, towards the end of his life, he'd say, like, | 1:14:48 | 1:14:51 | |
I'd say, "Oh, you know they want to give you this award thing". | 1:14:51 | 1:14:55 | |
And he said, "Well, I don't want it. | 1:14:55 | 1:14:57 | |
"Tell them to get another monkey." | 1:14:57 | 1:15:00 | |
I'd say, "Yeah, but, you know, it's really a nice one. | 1:15:00 | 1:15:03 | |
"You should have this." | 1:15:03 | 1:15:05 | |
And he'd say, "Well, if you want it so bad, you go and get it." | 1:15:05 | 1:15:09 | |
You know. "I'm not going. | 1:15:09 | 1:15:11 | |
"I'm not doing that any more. | 1:15:11 | 1:15:12 | |
"Because it's just a big diversion. "I want to plant trees. | 1:15:14 | 1:15:18 | |
"I want to be quiet. I want to meditate." | 1:15:18 | 1:15:21 | |
And he really did draw the line. | 1:15:21 | 1:15:24 | |
And I really admired him for that. | 1:15:24 | 1:15:26 | |
I mean, I've always been intrigued with George's "spirituality", | 1:15:26 | 1:15:31 | |
which is absolutely essential to him. | 1:15:31 | 1:15:33 | |
You know, living in the material world. | 1:15:33 | 1:15:35 | |
So he was caught in these two worlds of a very spiritual world | 1:15:35 | 1:15:39 | |
and a very material world. | 1:15:39 | 1:15:41 | |
And... And they're both, I think, related in the sense that | 1:15:41 | 1:15:45 | |
it's about finding the beauty in the real world. | 1:15:45 | 1:15:49 | |
To make the real world as beautiful as it can be. | 1:15:49 | 1:15:52 | |
And that's, I think, what he was doing in... | 1:15:52 | 1:15:55 | |
in Friar Park. | 1:15:55 | 1:15:57 | |
He created such, you know, exquisite beauty there. | 1:15:57 | 1:16:00 | |
But there was nothing airy-fairy about it. | 1:16:00 | 1:16:02 | |
And it wasn't about somebody snapping his fingers | 1:16:02 | 1:16:05 | |
and having somebody else do it for him. He had to do the work. | 1:16:05 | 1:16:08 | |
-OK, back up now. -Back up! | 1:16:16 | 1:16:19 | |
Our friends would joke, calling him Capability George, | 1:16:21 | 1:16:23 | |
you know, like after Capability Brown. | 1:16:23 | 1:16:26 | |
And he'd be like, "Get that pond... | 1:16:26 | 1:16:28 | |
"put it over there, move that hill... | 1:16:28 | 1:16:32 | |
"Don't like that hill." You know. | 1:16:32 | 1:16:33 | |
And the next week, it would be, pond over there, hill over there. | 1:16:33 | 1:16:38 | |
And it would look better, you know. | 1:16:38 | 1:16:39 | |
And he'd garden at night-time, he'd garden until... | 1:16:39 | 1:16:42 | |
you know, till midnight. | 1:16:42 | 1:16:44 | |
And he'd be out there squinting cos he could see, | 1:16:44 | 1:16:47 | |
at midnight, you know, he could see | 1:16:47 | 1:16:49 | |
the kind of moonlight and he could see the shadows. | 1:16:49 | 1:16:52 | |
And that was his way of not seeing any of the weeds and imperfections | 1:16:52 | 1:16:56 | |
that were, you know, that would plague him during the day. | 1:16:56 | 1:16:59 | |
So he'd be able to imagine what it was going to look like | 1:16:59 | 1:17:02 | |
when it was done. | 1:17:02 | 1:17:03 | |
LOUD GUITAR MUSIC | 1:17:03 | 1:17:05 | |
DHANI PLAYS A SOLO | 1:17:08 | 1:17:11 | |
# Well, I'm alone but that's all right... # | 1:17:14 | 1:17:18 | |
'He used to say to me every day, | 1:17:18 | 1:17:20 | |
'"You don't have to go to school today. | 1:17:20 | 1:17:22 | |
'"Do you want to just go on a yacht in the South Pacific | 1:17:22 | 1:17:25 | |
'"and run away forever?"' | 1:17:25 | 1:17:26 | |
# I'll be fine anywhere... # | 1:17:26 | 1:17:29 | |
'A lot of people would probably say, | 1:17:32 | 1:17:35 | |
'"You're an idiot for not doing that." | 1:17:35 | 1:17:37 | |
'And maybe in a way I am. But I....' | 1:17:37 | 1:17:39 | |
To rebel in my family was to go to school. | 1:17:39 | 1:17:41 | |
I went to like a semi-military school. | 1:17:41 | 1:17:43 | |
We did CCF one day a week, and that used to piss him off, | 1:17:43 | 1:17:48 | |
me walking around in an Air Force uniform. | 1:17:48 | 1:17:51 | |
I was...15, and then, er... | 1:17:51 | 1:17:56 | |
..had some, er, little run-in with some policemen. | 1:17:58 | 1:18:01 | |
And, er, he told the policemen to fuck off! | 1:18:03 | 1:18:07 | |
And, uh, that was when I realised that he was actually cool, | 1:18:07 | 1:18:10 | |
on my side, and not just a scary dad, you know. | 1:18:10 | 1:18:14 | |
And, er, he was very, very close to me after that. | 1:18:14 | 1:18:18 | |
And we kind of... | 1:18:18 | 1:18:20 | |
would run off down the garden and hide. | 1:18:20 | 1:18:23 | |
"Don't tell your mum" kind of stuff, you know. | 1:18:23 | 1:18:25 | |
He was really a free person | 1:18:27 | 1:18:30 | |
and he did not like to be bound by rules. | 1:18:30 | 1:18:33 | |
But he did like women. And he did, erm, he was... | 1:18:33 | 1:18:37 | |
Women did like him. And he was... uh... | 1:18:37 | 1:18:41 | |
Whether... | 1:18:41 | 1:18:42 | |
If he just said a couple of words to a woman, honestly, | 1:18:44 | 1:18:48 | |
he had a profound effect... | 1:18:48 | 1:18:50 | |
on people. | 1:18:50 | 1:18:51 | |
So that was always something that was, you know... | 1:18:51 | 1:18:56 | |
And I'm not the only one who's had to deal with this, | 1:18:56 | 1:18:58 | |
you know, person who's... well-loved. | 1:18:58 | 1:19:01 | |
So it was always a challenge. Uh... | 1:19:01 | 1:19:04 | |
Sometimes people say, you know, | 1:19:07 | 1:19:10 | |
"What's the secret of a long marriage?" | 1:19:10 | 1:19:13 | |
It's like, "You don't get divorced." | 1:19:13 | 1:19:15 | |
And I think, you know, | 1:19:18 | 1:19:20 | |
you go through challenges in your marriage and here's what I found. | 1:19:20 | 1:19:26 | |
First time we had a big hiccup in the road, I, you know, | 1:19:26 | 1:19:30 | |
you go through things, you go, "Wow." | 1:19:30 | 1:19:32 | |
There is a reward at the other end of it. | 1:19:32 | 1:19:35 | |
There's this incredible reward. You love each other more. | 1:19:35 | 1:19:39 | |
You...learn something. | 1:19:39 | 1:19:42 | |
You let go of something. | 1:19:42 | 1:19:44 | |
You get... Those hard edges get softened. | 1:19:44 | 1:19:47 | |
You know, you're that block of stone. | 1:19:47 | 1:19:50 | |
And, you know, life shapes you and takes away those hard edges. | 1:19:50 | 1:19:55 | |
You have kept to yourself, in recent years. | 1:19:55 | 1:19:58 | |
This led to some wild stories about the Howard Hughes of Henley. | 1:19:58 | 1:20:03 | |
Because I don't go discothequeing and things like that, | 1:20:03 | 1:20:07 | |
where people hang out with their cameras, | 1:20:07 | 1:20:10 | |
so they presumed that I was Howard Hughes, | 1:20:10 | 1:20:14 | |
with my big fingernails and Kleenex tissues and that kind of stuff. | 1:20:14 | 1:20:17 | |
Bottles of urine all around the house, and, uh.... | 1:20:17 | 1:20:20 | |
But I wasn't like that at all. | 1:20:20 | 1:20:22 | |
I go out all the time, or a lot of the time, see friends, | 1:20:22 | 1:20:26 | |
have dinner, go to parties... | 1:20:26 | 1:20:28 | |
I'm even more normal than, you know, normal people. | 1:20:28 | 1:20:32 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 1:20:32 | 1:20:34 | |
I've met you before. | 1:20:47 | 1:20:49 | |
-You know, all his lines about, "I was never at a discotheque..." -Well, I wasn't. | 1:20:49 | 1:20:53 | |
-We had to drag him out of them, you know. -LAUGHTER | 1:20:53 | 1:20:55 | |
-Well, that was back in '64, '65. -Before the limp. | 1:20:55 | 1:20:59 | |
Yeah. No, I stopped going to 'em around 1967, I think. | 1:20:59 | 1:21:03 | |
Yeah, I stopped in 1980. | 1:21:03 | 1:21:06 | |
What about now? What makes you cross with each other now? | 1:21:06 | 1:21:09 | |
Well, the last time we were cross was when George was suing me. | 1:21:09 | 1:21:13 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:21:13 | 1:21:14 | |
Er, the last time he calls me was to say, "I'm going to sue you." | 1:21:14 | 1:21:17 | |
I said, "No, George, don't be silly." | 1:21:17 | 1:21:18 | |
"No, I'm going to sue you. I don't like what you've done." | 1:21:18 | 1:21:20 | |
Cos he wrote this song and I had it mixed by somebody else... | 1:21:20 | 1:21:23 | |
and, er, he didn't like the mix. | 1:21:23 | 1:21:25 | |
So he was going to sue me. | 1:21:25 | 1:21:27 | |
So, in the end I have to... | 1:21:27 | 1:21:29 | |
I said, "Sue me if you want, but I'll always love you." | 1:21:29 | 1:21:32 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:21:32 | 1:21:33 | |
# I don't want you | 1:21:33 | 1:21:37 | |
# But I hate to lose you | 1:21:37 | 1:21:41 | |
# You got me in between | 1:21:41 | 1:21:45 | |
# The devil and the deep blue sea | 1:21:45 | 1:21:49 | |
# I forgive you | 1:21:49 | 1:21:53 | |
# Cos I can't forget you | 1:21:53 | 1:21:57 | |
# You got me in between | 1:21:57 | 1:22:00 | |
# The devil and the deep blue sea | 1:22:00 | 1:22:05 | |
# I want to cross you off my list | 1:22:05 | 1:22:09 | |
# But when you come knocking at my door | 1:22:09 | 1:22:13 | |
# Fate seems to give my heart a twist | 1:22:13 | 1:22:16 | |
# And I come running back for more... # | 1:22:16 | 1:22:20 | |
'You're going very fast. | 1:22:28 | 1:22:29 | |
'You're going at the absolute limit of the car's tyres | 1:22:29 | 1:22:32 | |
'and its suspension' | 1:22:32 | 1:22:33 | |
and you, yourself are right on the very edge of your limit, | 1:22:33 | 1:22:37 | |
taking it to the finest point. | 1:22:37 | 1:22:39 | |
When that happens, your senses are so strong | 1:22:39 | 1:22:43 | |
and, in my case, I relate it to a real experience, where I went... | 1:22:43 | 1:22:47 | |
came to a corner and before I got to the corner I smelled grass. | 1:22:47 | 1:22:52 | |
My senses were so... | 1:22:56 | 1:22:59 | |
so sharp, so exaggerated | 1:22:59 | 1:23:02 | |
that a car had gone off the road in front of me, out of my sight. | 1:23:02 | 1:23:05 | |
My senses told me there was something wrong. That was grass. | 1:23:05 | 1:23:10 | |
The car was on a tarmacadam road. | 1:23:10 | 1:23:12 | |
So, I immediately backed off. | 1:23:12 | 1:23:14 | |
The millisecond that you're talking about is so small. | 1:23:14 | 1:23:19 | |
Now, that's what I think George saw | 1:23:19 | 1:23:22 | |
and that was heightened senses to a point, | 1:23:22 | 1:23:24 | |
not only of your feel and your touch, | 1:23:24 | 1:23:26 | |
but your feet because of the pedals, the gas pedal, the brake pedal, | 1:23:26 | 1:23:30 | |
the sensitivity of the function of those. | 1:23:30 | 1:23:32 | |
It's the kind of thing if George and I talked about it, he would love that. | 1:23:32 | 1:23:36 | |
And if you listen to a really top guitarist, | 1:23:36 | 1:23:39 | |
how he can make that guitar talk, | 1:23:39 | 1:23:42 | |
that's another heightening of senses that is beyond the ken, the know, | 1:23:42 | 1:23:48 | |
the knowledge of any normal man or woman. | 1:23:48 | 1:23:51 | |
George had a huge circle of friends and I think I was kind of, er... | 1:23:51 | 1:23:55 | |
..I was just one of them, really. | 1:23:57 | 1:23:58 | |
I mean, I like to think that there was something special about our relationship. | 1:23:58 | 1:24:02 | |
In many ways there was, but after George died, when, you know, | 1:24:02 | 1:24:07 | |
and I, and we all got together, | 1:24:07 | 1:24:09 | |
"God," I thought, "he's got, how do these guys all fit together?" | 1:24:09 | 1:24:13 | |
And there was a whole other mob, | 1:24:13 | 1:24:14 | |
they used to call them the Thames Valley gang, | 1:24:14 | 1:24:16 | |
and these were all old, you know, ageing rock stars, if you like. | 1:24:16 | 1:24:20 | |
That had, you know, got little, nice little houses, | 1:24:20 | 1:24:24 | |
and he was... He had something going on with everybody. | 1:24:24 | 1:24:27 | |
Anything to do with racing and cars and motorbikes, | 1:24:27 | 1:24:29 | |
that was part of the world, | 1:24:29 | 1:24:30 | |
then there was the music side, and then there was the movie side, | 1:24:30 | 1:24:33 | |
and then there was the comedian side, and... | 1:24:33 | 1:24:36 | |
and there was always this wonderful crowd of people, | 1:24:36 | 1:24:39 | |
all pretending to be grown-ups! | 1:24:39 | 1:24:42 | |
That's what was really funny about it and we all just giggled a lot, | 1:24:42 | 1:24:45 | |
because, look at this, and we're all in this place. | 1:24:45 | 1:24:47 | |
He showed up one day and he came in with two ukuleles | 1:24:47 | 1:24:51 | |
and he gave me one. | 1:24:51 | 1:24:52 | |
He goes, "You gotta play this thing, it's great," you know, | 1:24:52 | 1:24:56 | |
"let's jam," you know. | 1:24:56 | 1:24:57 | |
And I said, "I have no idea how to play a ukulele." | 1:24:57 | 1:25:01 | |
"Ah, it's no problem, I'll show you," you know. | 1:25:01 | 1:25:05 | |
So we spent the rest of the day playing ukuleles | 1:25:05 | 1:25:10 | |
and, I mean, playing ukuleles... | 1:25:10 | 1:25:12 | |
Strolling around the yard playing ukulele - | 1:25:12 | 1:25:15 | |
my wrist hurt the next day! | 1:25:15 | 1:25:17 | |
But he taught me how to play it, you know, | 1:25:17 | 1:25:19 | |
and I learned the chord formations. | 1:25:19 | 1:25:23 | |
And when he was going, I walked out to the car and he said, | 1:25:23 | 1:25:26 | |
"Well, wait, I want to... | 1:25:26 | 1:25:28 | |
"I want to leave some ukuleles here." | 1:25:28 | 1:25:31 | |
And he'd already given me one, you know, | 1:25:31 | 1:25:33 | |
I said, "Well, I've got thi..." "No, we may need more." | 1:25:33 | 1:25:35 | |
HE LAUGHS | 1:25:35 | 1:25:38 | |
And he opened his trunk and he... | 1:25:38 | 1:25:40 | |
he had a lot of ukuleles in the trunk. | 1:25:40 | 1:25:42 | |
And I think he left four at my house | 1:25:44 | 1:25:47 | |
and he said, "Well, you know, you never know when we might need 'em | 1:25:47 | 1:25:50 | |
"because everybody doesn't carry one around." | 1:25:50 | 1:25:53 | |
# Yippie yi yaaaay | 1:25:53 | 1:25:57 | |
# Yippie yi ohhhhh | 1:25:57 | 1:26:02 | |
# Ghost riders in the sky... # | 1:26:02 | 1:26:10 | |
'He and Jeff had kind of pictured this group, The Traveling Wilburys,' | 1:26:10 | 1:26:14 | |
and George's idea was that he would hand-pick everybody in the band | 1:26:14 | 1:26:19 | |
and it'd be the perfect little band, | 1:26:19 | 1:26:22 | |
but I think the qualifications were more about who you could hang out with, | 1:26:22 | 1:26:28 | |
you know, more so than, like, trying to find the best guy that did this or that. | 1:26:28 | 1:26:34 | |
Though George liked to surround himself with people that were good... | 1:26:34 | 1:26:38 | |
at something, you know. | 1:26:38 | 1:26:40 | |
George rang my bell one night and came in and said, | 1:26:40 | 1:26:45 | |
"God, I just had dinner with Roy Orbison and Jeff," you know. | 1:26:45 | 1:26:50 | |
"I got this idea, I've got to do an extra side... | 1:26:50 | 1:26:54 | |
"for a single that I'm bringing out. | 1:26:54 | 1:26:56 | |
"I need a studio, so I called Bob Dylan, and... | 1:26:56 | 1:27:00 | |
"You know, Bob has a little studio out at his house | 1:27:00 | 1:27:03 | |
"and so he's agreed to let me use the studio. | 1:27:03 | 1:27:07 | |
"I'm going to try to write something tonight | 1:27:07 | 1:27:09 | |
"and we'd just do it, but I thought I'd have Roy on it, too, | 1:27:09 | 1:27:12 | |
"and if you want, you know, maybe you'd come too." | 1:27:12 | 1:27:15 | |
And I said, "Yeah, well, I'd love to come." | 1:27:15 | 1:27:19 | |
# Been beat up and battered around | 1:27:19 | 1:27:23 | |
# Been sent up and I've been shot down | 1:27:24 | 1:27:27 | |
# You're the best thing that I've ever found | 1:27:27 | 1:27:32 | |
# Handle me with care | 1:27:32 | 1:27:36 | |
# I'm so tired of being lonely | 1:27:36 | 1:27:40 | |
# I still have some love to give | 1:27:40 | 1:27:44 | |
# Won't you show me that you really care? | 1:27:44 | 1:27:50 | |
# Everybody's got somebody | 1:27:52 | 1:27:56 | |
# To lean on... # | 1:27:56 | 1:27:59 | |
'Bob said, "Well, what's it going to be called, George? | 1:27:59 | 1:28:02 | |
'"You gotta have a name for your song."' | 1:28:02 | 1:28:04 | |
And there was a packing crate that said, "Handle With Care," | 1:28:04 | 1:28:08 | |
and...I witnessed him look over at the crate and look back and say, | 1:28:08 | 1:28:13 | |
"Oh, it's Handle With Care." | 1:28:13 | 1:28:15 | |
HE LAUGHS | 1:28:15 | 1:28:16 | |
So, we cut the track and then we took a break to eat and... | 1:28:16 | 1:28:20 | |
he said, "OK, well, now we gotta write some words, guys." | 1:28:20 | 1:28:24 | |
You know, "I got these songwriters here... | 1:28:24 | 1:28:27 | |
"Time to write a song," you know, "let's write one," you know. | 1:28:27 | 1:28:31 | |
So, everyone... | 1:28:31 | 1:28:34 | |
Everyone'd just throw a line out and you'd get, "No!", | 1:28:34 | 1:28:37 | |
or, you know, sometimes a line'd come out and you'd get, | 1:28:37 | 1:28:40 | |
"Woo, that's good, that's a good one. Oh, I like that." | 1:28:40 | 1:28:43 | |
You know, and, so that's how we did it. | 1:28:43 | 1:28:45 | |
# It was in Pittsburgh | 1:28:49 | 1:28:51 | |
# Late one night | 1:28:52 | 1:28:53 | |
# I lost my hat | 1:28:55 | 1:28:56 | |
# Got into a fight. # | 1:28:57 | 1:28:59 | |
OK. That's sort of like... | 1:29:01 | 1:29:03 | |
-Yeah? -Yeah, if you ignore those chords, then just sing it over, | 1:29:03 | 1:29:07 | |
the same sort of phrasing over the next bit, we can change the chord. | 1:29:07 | 1:29:09 | |
Or, or if he... | 1:29:09 | 1:29:11 | |
Or the other thing would be, | 1:29:11 | 1:29:13 | |
you know, if we back it up now, don't play you that | 1:29:13 | 1:29:15 | |
and you sing the second off the lyrics of the same chords | 1:29:15 | 1:29:18 | |
and we'll copy it and put in, all right? | 1:29:18 | 1:29:20 | |
-All right. -Yeah, do that. Yeah. | 1:29:20 | 1:29:21 | |
-That'll be... Yeah. -Let's try that then... -Yeah, that sounded good... | 1:29:21 | 1:29:24 | |
You could have chosen to retire into contented middle age | 1:29:24 | 1:29:29 | |
and get together with a few friends in the musical business | 1:29:29 | 1:29:33 | |
and play together occasionally. | 1:29:33 | 1:29:35 | |
Well, that's what the real reason is! Really. | 1:29:35 | 1:29:39 | |
Contented middle age? | 1:29:39 | 1:29:41 | |
Yeah, I suppose so. | 1:29:41 | 1:29:43 | |
# Everybody loves your | 1:29:44 | 1:29:46 | |
# Electric dumplings | 1:29:46 | 1:29:48 | |
-# He loves your -Clothes that stretch | 1:29:48 | 1:29:51 | |
# He loves your | 1:29:51 | 1:29:52 | |
# Fuel injection | 1:29:52 | 1:29:53 | |
# He loves your | 1:29:53 | 1:29:54 | |
# Service charge | 1:29:54 | 1:29:56 | |
# He loves your | 1:29:56 | 1:29:57 | |
# Five-speed gearbox | 1:29:57 | 1:29:59 | |
-# He loves your -Long endurance | 1:29:59 | 1:30:02 | |
# He loves your | 1:30:02 | 1:30:03 | |
# Quest for junk food | 1:30:03 | 1:30:05 | |
# He loves your | 1:30:05 | 1:30:06 | |
# Big refrigerator. # | 1:30:06 | 1:30:08 | |
-That was all right. -It was OK. | 1:30:08 | 1:30:10 | |
I'm not mad about, "clothes that stretch." | 1:30:10 | 1:30:12 | |
It sounds very English, # Clothes that stretch. # | 1:30:12 | 1:30:15 | |
THEY LAUGH | 1:30:15 | 1:30:17 | |
It's a bit of a joke, the idea of a comeback, you know. | 1:30:17 | 1:30:20 | |
Especially to me, you know. Seems... | 1:30:20 | 1:30:22 | |
-Why? -I don't know, because I don't really see myself | 1:30:22 | 1:30:25 | |
as a fully-fledged showbiz star, anyway, you know, like that. | 1:30:25 | 1:30:31 | |
George, why do you play music? | 1:30:31 | 1:30:35 | |
-Why do you still play music? Just to enjoy? -Yeah. | 1:30:35 | 1:30:38 | |
Now, just, well, we gotta do something, you know, with our lives. | 1:30:38 | 1:30:42 | |
-Yeah. -That's the one thing that I know what to do, you know, how to do. | 1:30:42 | 1:30:47 | |
-Hello, Neil, how are you? -Hello, George. Very well, thank you. | 1:30:47 | 1:30:50 | |
Nice to see you. Very nice. | 1:30:50 | 1:30:52 | |
-Hello! -Oh, a vegetarian leather jacket! THEY LAUGH | 1:30:53 | 1:30:57 | |
-Yeah? -Yes. | 1:30:57 | 1:30:59 | |
-Oh, is that a filmer? -Yeah, I've got you! | 1:30:59 | 1:31:01 | |
Oh, I've seen that, that's the one I can see. | 1:31:01 | 1:31:03 | |
Go on, turn it off. You know, I can see... | 1:31:03 | 1:31:05 | |
No, I don't want to turn it off! | 1:31:05 | 1:31:07 | |
I've seen that, Sharp, you know, I've seen the adverts for those. | 1:31:07 | 1:31:10 | |
-And who is this? -It's Stephan. -It's John. -Oh, is it? | 1:31:10 | 1:31:13 | |
-John Lennon, of the Beatles. -Oh, that's what's her name. | 1:31:13 | 1:31:16 | |
-Pat! -Pat! -Who's this? -Cilla's friend. | 1:31:16 | 1:31:17 | |
-We don't know who that is. -Ho-ho-ho! -Some other lady, lady of the night! | 1:31:17 | 1:31:20 | |
They were horrible girls, weren't they? | 1:31:20 | 1:31:22 | |
No, George, it's a very fine leg, it's a nice bit of stocking top! | 1:31:22 | 1:31:26 | |
-Hmm. -Just cos you've graduated in the world. | 1:31:26 | 1:31:29 | |
They're fine ladies! | 1:31:30 | 1:31:32 | |
-# Ahh -Ahh | 1:31:34 | 1:31:39 | |
-# Ahh -Ahh. # | 1:31:39 | 1:31:47 | |
'You know, they say, | 1:31:48 | 1:31:50 | |
'in this life you have to perfect one human relationship | 1:31:50 | 1:31:53 | |
'in order to really love God.' | 1:31:53 | 1:31:55 | |
You practise loving God by loving another human | 1:31:55 | 1:31:59 | |
and by giving unconditional love. | 1:31:59 | 1:32:03 | |
George's most important relationships | 1:32:03 | 1:32:06 | |
really were conducted through their... | 1:32:06 | 1:32:09 | |
their music | 1:32:09 | 1:32:10 | |
and their lyrics. I mean, George, er... | 1:32:10 | 1:32:15 | |
that's, I'd Have You Anytime, | 1:32:15 | 1:32:17 | |
the song that George and Bob wrote together, you know, | 1:32:17 | 1:32:20 | |
"Let me in here, I know I've been here, let me into your heart." | 1:32:20 | 1:32:23 | |
He was talking directly to Bob because, you know, he'd seen Bob | 1:32:23 | 1:32:26 | |
and then he'd seen Bob another time and he didn't seem as open | 1:32:26 | 1:32:30 | |
and so, that was his way of saying, | 1:32:30 | 1:32:33 | |
"let me in here, let me into your heart." | 1:32:33 | 1:32:35 | |
And he was very unabashed and... | 1:32:35 | 1:32:39 | |
romantic about it, in a sense. | 1:32:39 | 1:32:42 | |
You know, I found that he was very, er... | 1:32:42 | 1:32:45 | |
he had these love relationships with his friends. He loved them. | 1:32:45 | 1:32:49 | |
It was very early in the morning when I think my wife took the call | 1:32:49 | 1:32:53 | |
and then woke me up and told me that Roy had passed away. | 1:32:53 | 1:32:57 | |
And then the next call was George. | 1:32:57 | 1:33:00 | |
I don't even know if I should say what he said to me, you know, | 1:33:02 | 1:33:06 | |
but I will anyway! | 1:33:06 | 1:33:08 | |
When I came to the phone, he said, "Aren't you glad it's not you?" | 1:33:10 | 1:33:14 | |
I said, "Yeah, yeah, I am," you know. | 1:33:16 | 1:33:19 | |
Just, you know, he said, "He'll be OK. | 1:33:19 | 1:33:23 | |
"He'll be OK. | 1:33:23 | 1:33:27 | |
"He's still around, so just listen, he's still around," | 1:33:27 | 1:33:31 | |
and then, that was all he had to say about it, you know. | 1:33:31 | 1:33:34 | |
We say farewell to the end of this reel. | 1:33:46 | 1:33:49 | |
You know, you want to just write it so that, you know, | 1:34:18 | 1:34:21 | |
I mean, you don't want to milk it into some huge big thing, you know. | 1:34:21 | 1:34:24 | |
No, of course. | 1:34:24 | 1:34:25 | |
-I mean, I prefer you were to be honest about it. -No. No, that's fine. | 1:34:25 | 1:34:28 | |
You know, there's nothing worse than, you know...bullshit. | 1:34:28 | 1:34:30 | |
-You know what I mean? -Yeah, I agree, I agree. | 1:34:30 | 1:34:32 | |
And then all it does is it means everybody else starts phoning up | 1:34:32 | 1:34:36 | |
-and then they want their version of it. -I know. | 1:34:36 | 1:34:38 | |
I'm sorry, I mean, we're all going to die one day, | 1:34:38 | 1:34:41 | |
but I'm not going to die for you quite yet. | 1:34:41 | 1:34:44 | |
We wouldn't want that. | 1:34:44 | 1:34:47 | |
Well...you never know. | 1:34:47 | 1:34:48 | |
I think it makes a good story, doesn't it? | 1:34:48 | 1:34:50 | |
W-what... When it was first... | 1:34:50 | 1:34:52 | |
When he was first diagnosed with cancer, he told me, | 1:34:52 | 1:34:58 | |
and in a way as, you know, his main thing was not to upset me. | 1:34:58 | 1:35:02 | |
I mean, there is a man who's, | 1:35:02 | 1:35:04 | |
who was not well, who's worrying about me | 1:35:04 | 1:35:07 | |
and all the people around him. | 1:35:07 | 1:35:09 | |
So, that was the measure of the man. | 1:35:09 | 1:35:12 | |
And then, of course, it was with great joy that, | 1:35:12 | 1:35:15 | |
that he actually got better initially | 1:35:15 | 1:35:19 | |
and so things were back on track | 1:35:19 | 1:35:21 | |
and we all put it to the back of our minds that this was gone now. | 1:35:21 | 1:35:27 | |
I woke up, I just heard smashing of glass. | 1:35:27 | 1:35:31 | |
I jumped up and woke up George. | 1:35:31 | 1:35:33 | |
It was about, it must've been about 4.30 in the morning... | 1:35:33 | 1:35:36 | |
and I said, "Somebody's smashed a window," | 1:35:36 | 1:35:41 | |
and he said, "How do you know?" I said, "I heard it!" | 1:35:41 | 1:35:44 | |
So he jumped up and I ran to the door and I locked the door. | 1:35:44 | 1:35:48 | |
And he said, "Why are you locking the door?" | 1:35:48 | 1:35:50 | |
I said, "Why?! Because I'm afraid. That's why I'm locking the door." | 1:35:50 | 1:35:53 | |
He said, "No, no, no, I'm going out there." | 1:35:53 | 1:35:55 | |
And so he ran downstairs, um... | 1:35:57 | 1:35:59 | |
..which he really didn't have to do, but he felt he had to do | 1:36:01 | 1:36:05 | |
cos my mother was upstairs, and he didn't want... | 1:36:05 | 1:36:09 | |
You know, he didn't know if she was OK. | 1:36:09 | 1:36:12 | |
We had a statue of Saint Michael. | 1:36:12 | 1:36:14 | |
And the wing from the statue of Saint Michael - | 1:36:14 | 1:36:17 | |
it was made of stone - had been thrown through the window. | 1:36:17 | 1:36:20 | |
And George was on one side and I was on the other | 1:36:20 | 1:36:24 | |
and we looked down and this maniac just ran in like Beelzebub... | 1:36:24 | 1:36:29 | |
..with a stick from Saint Michael in one hand - | 1:36:31 | 1:36:38 | |
you know, he slays the dragon with his spear. | 1:36:38 | 1:36:43 | |
He had that in one hand and I didn't see what he had in the other. | 1:36:43 | 1:36:47 | |
Anyway, George started chanting really loud at him, | 1:36:49 | 1:36:54 | |
and this guy was saying, "Get down here, get down here." | 1:36:54 | 1:36:58 | |
"What do you want?" | 1:37:00 | 1:37:01 | |
He said, "You know what I want," it was just horrible. | 1:37:01 | 1:37:04 | |
It was just like this voice from the bowels of hell. | 1:37:04 | 1:37:08 | |
And, uh...and then he just ran up, tore up the stairs. | 1:37:08 | 1:37:13 | |
He was in a florid psychotic state. | 1:37:13 | 1:37:16 | |
And he was tall and young. | 1:37:16 | 1:37:18 | |
And then they'd come closer to where the room was. | 1:37:18 | 1:37:23 | |
And this man was on top of George, um... | 1:37:23 | 1:37:27 | |
trying to kill him, just laying on him, | 1:37:27 | 1:37:31 | |
in just, I think, the worst way. | 1:37:31 | 1:37:35 | |
To have some, you know, physical contact with some horrible person. | 1:37:35 | 1:37:41 | |
Anyway, I just ran back in the room and, uh... | 1:37:41 | 1:37:45 | |
I don't know, something just took over, | 1:37:45 | 1:37:48 | |
and I grabbed a poker. | 1:37:48 | 1:37:51 | |
My dad was a big baseball fan and he used to always say, "Follow through." | 1:37:51 | 1:37:55 | |
That's all I could think of was, "Don't throw like a girl." | 1:37:55 | 1:37:59 | |
"Follow through." | 1:37:59 | 1:38:01 | |
I mean, it got worse, cos I hit the guy several times, you know, | 1:38:01 | 1:38:05 | |
I could see the blood spreading down his blond hair. | 1:38:05 | 1:38:07 | |
And then, he got up. | 1:38:07 | 1:38:09 | |
You know, he got up and he chased me and had me around the neck. | 1:38:09 | 1:38:12 | |
And then George got up and jumped on his back. | 1:38:12 | 1:38:15 | |
And, poor George, he said, "You know, God, | 1:38:15 | 1:38:17 | |
"just when he got off of me, I was thinking 'Oh, good,' | 1:38:17 | 1:38:20 | |
"then I had to get up and fight him again." | 1:38:20 | 1:38:22 | |
And he'd already been stabbed. | 1:38:22 | 1:38:24 | |
But we all fell into a big pile, and I managed to get out | 1:38:24 | 1:38:27 | |
from underneath, and George pinned him down. | 1:38:27 | 1:38:29 | |
And George said to me, "I've got the knife!" | 1:38:29 | 1:38:32 | |
And I thought, "What knife?!" | 1:38:32 | 1:38:33 | |
I didn't know, I thought he was just kidding. | 1:38:33 | 1:38:36 | |
I thought he was just trying to fake the guy out. | 1:38:36 | 1:38:39 | |
It's like, I hadn't seen that. | 1:38:39 | 1:38:42 | |
Afterwards, we were... | 1:38:42 | 1:38:44 | |
We were, um, taken to a good old National Health hospital | 1:38:44 | 1:38:49 | |
with these rickety wheelchairs at four in the morning | 1:38:49 | 1:38:53 | |
and it was like freezing, it was so cold, I was just shaking, | 1:38:53 | 1:38:57 | |
I didn't realise I was in shock. | 1:38:57 | 1:38:59 | |
But, you know, they were pushing us down and we were looking at each other | 1:38:59 | 1:39:03 | |
and they've got us in these beds and they put the curtain around us | 1:39:03 | 1:39:07 | |
and he had a collapsed lung, he had things in and out the other side and outside of his leg... | 1:39:07 | 1:39:13 | |
You know, I had my head open and, you know... | 1:39:14 | 1:39:17 | |
But just looking into each other's eyes, | 1:39:20 | 1:39:23 | |
our eyes must have been like... | 1:39:23 | 1:39:26 | |
I said, "What the hell was that?" | 1:39:27 | 1:39:29 | |
He said, "I don't know, it's like, I never tried to kill anybody before," | 1:39:29 | 1:39:32 | |
and I said, "No, neither did I." | 1:39:32 | 1:39:35 | |
It's like this... | 1:39:35 | 1:39:36 | |
you know, phew. | 1:39:36 | 1:39:38 | |
But what... | 1:39:41 | 1:39:43 | |
You know, honestly, we talked about it a lot, | 1:39:43 | 1:39:46 | |
and the next day George said, "You know, I was lying there | 1:39:46 | 1:39:50 | |
"and I was thinking, I can't believe it, | 1:39:50 | 1:39:52 | |
"after everything's that's happened to me, | 1:39:52 | 1:39:55 | |
"I'm going to be murdered, I'm being murdered in my own home. | 1:39:55 | 1:39:58 | |
"And since I'm being murdered and I'm going to die, | 1:39:58 | 1:40:03 | |
"I better start letting go of this life, | 1:40:03 | 1:40:08 | |
"and I better start doing what I've been practising my whole life | 1:40:08 | 1:40:13 | |
"so that I can leave my body the way I want to." | 1:40:13 | 1:40:16 | |
He was so defiant, and so determined. | 1:40:16 | 1:40:19 | |
Nothing was going to stop him from leaving his body | 1:40:19 | 1:40:24 | |
and leaping as high as he could go. | 1:40:26 | 1:40:29 | |
It was the millennium, | 1:40:29 | 1:40:30 | |
and we were staying in Santa Barbara with some friends, | 1:40:30 | 1:40:33 | |
and then this awful news came through. | 1:40:33 | 1:40:36 | |
I said to Tania, "We have to go," | 1:40:36 | 1:40:38 | |
and so I called up and said, "Should we come?" | 1:40:38 | 1:40:42 | |
And he said, "Where are you?" | 1:40:42 | 1:40:44 | |
OK, so, we got on a plane and came immediately, | 1:40:44 | 1:40:47 | |
and, um...it was very... | 1:40:47 | 1:40:51 | |
You know, it was very powerful. | 1:40:51 | 1:40:53 | |
I mean, they would walk us round where the various stages of the attack took place. | 1:40:53 | 1:40:58 | |
When they picked him up, they put him on this stretcher | 1:40:58 | 1:41:01 | |
and they're carrying him downstairs, | 1:41:01 | 1:41:04 | |
and there were two people who had just started work that weekend. | 1:41:04 | 1:41:09 | |
And he's being carried out, stabbed, | 1:41:09 | 1:41:11 | |
he'd eight stab wounds, and he looks over and he says, | 1:41:11 | 1:41:14 | |
"So what do you think of the job so far?" | 1:41:14 | 1:41:16 | |
Which is a great kind of...very George. | 1:41:17 | 1:41:20 | |
So Dhani and Livy and George... | 1:41:20 | 1:41:24 | |
came up to this house... | 1:41:24 | 1:41:28 | |
and he just was so distraught. | 1:41:28 | 1:41:32 | |
I've never, ever had a time when there's so many tears have been shed - | 1:41:32 | 1:41:37 | |
just total grief - of no death. | 1:41:37 | 1:41:42 | |
Just grief of what a horrible thing somebody could do | 1:41:42 | 1:41:47 | |
to another person, without actually killing them. | 1:41:47 | 1:41:52 | |
He was very, very badly attacked, and... | 1:41:52 | 1:41:57 | |
by the time he died, he didn't even have a single scar on him. | 1:41:57 | 1:42:00 | |
I mean, he was like a yogi. | 1:42:00 | 1:42:03 | |
He moved on from that, physically and mentally, | 1:42:03 | 1:42:06 | |
and didn't let it affect him. | 1:42:06 | 1:42:07 | |
But it definitely took years off his life, you know. | 1:42:07 | 1:42:10 | |
If you're trying to fight cancer | 1:42:10 | 1:42:12 | |
and then you're trying to stay alive for something like that, you know, | 1:42:12 | 1:42:15 | |
it's got to take it out of you, you know? | 1:42:15 | 1:42:18 | |
We went to Fiji to be, | 1:42:18 | 1:42:20 | |
"Take us to the island where there isn't anybody, | 1:42:20 | 1:42:24 | |
"and then take us in a boat and drop us off at the cove | 1:42:24 | 1:42:26 | |
"where there isn't anyone on the beach, where there isn't anyone." | 1:42:26 | 1:42:30 | |
And then he'd disappear. | 1:42:30 | 1:42:32 | |
It's like, he's only with me, and then he would go off on his own. | 1:42:32 | 1:42:35 | |
But he'd come out, like, dressed in banana leaves, or something, | 1:42:35 | 1:42:39 | |
you know, with, like, heliconias and things. | 1:42:39 | 1:42:42 | |
He liked to...for him, I think that was just like building a fort out of bracken. | 1:42:42 | 1:42:49 | |
I had an experience which, um... | 1:42:49 | 1:42:53 | |
..speeds up the whole idea of, um... | 1:42:54 | 1:42:57 | |
You know, if you have something happen to you physically, then, | 1:42:57 | 1:43:02 | |
you know, people go in hospital, or have, you know, something wrong with them | 1:43:02 | 1:43:07 | |
and, um, you know, have a shock or something like that, | 1:43:07 | 1:43:11 | |
and then you think, "Wow, yeah, I could be dying now." | 1:43:11 | 1:43:15 | |
Now, if I was dying now, what would I think? | 1:43:15 | 1:43:19 | |
What would I miss? | 1:43:19 | 1:43:21 | |
If I had to leave my body, you know, in an hour's time, | 1:43:21 | 1:43:25 | |
what is it that I would miss? | 1:43:25 | 1:43:28 | |
And I think, "Well, I've got a son who needs a father, | 1:43:28 | 1:43:33 | |
"So I have to stick around for him. as long as I can. | 1:43:33 | 1:43:37 | |
"But, um... | 1:43:37 | 1:43:39 | |
"other than that, I can't think of much reason to be here." | 1:43:39 | 1:43:44 | |
HE LAUGHS | 1:43:44 | 1:43:46 | |
We had this whole 30 years together, | 1:43:51 | 1:43:55 | |
and then at the end you're able to just decant that time. | 1:43:55 | 1:44:00 | |
We spent that summer together and we had so much fun. | 1:44:00 | 1:44:04 | |
It's amazing, you know, at the end of your life, here's the conversation - | 1:44:06 | 1:44:11 | |
"I hope I wasn't a bad husband." | 1:44:11 | 1:44:13 | |
"Well, I hope I was an OK wife. | 1:44:15 | 1:44:18 | |
"How did we do? How did we do?" | 1:44:18 | 1:44:22 | |
And then you think, "I'm so glad. | 1:44:22 | 1:44:26 | |
"I am so glad that we just kept walking this path together." | 1:44:26 | 1:44:30 | |
And all those other things that came and went | 1:44:30 | 1:44:33 | |
we just swatted away and batted away in between us, you know?" | 1:44:33 | 1:44:38 | |
He had a long battle with his cancer. | 1:44:52 | 1:44:55 | |
He's such a brave lad. | 1:44:55 | 1:44:57 | |
What do you miss the most about George? | 1:44:58 | 1:45:02 | |
Uh, his humour, his friendship... | 1:45:02 | 1:45:07 | |
his, um, love. | 1:45:07 | 1:45:09 | |
I've lost racing drivers, phew, so many of my friends have been killed. | 1:45:11 | 1:45:17 | |
I've been with them when they've died. | 1:45:17 | 1:45:19 | |
I've had an enormous exposure to emotional experiences. | 1:45:19 | 1:45:25 | |
And yet, I don't think there's much else that's ever given me | 1:45:25 | 1:45:30 | |
such a long-lasting... | 1:45:30 | 1:45:33 | |
bereavement as George's loss. | 1:45:33 | 1:45:37 | |
And I can't say that I was one of George's very best friends, | 1:45:37 | 1:45:41 | |
cos a lot more people spent a lot more time with him than I did. | 1:45:41 | 1:45:46 | |
But I, at least, felt such a closeness to him | 1:45:46 | 1:45:50 | |
that it still affects me to this day. | 1:45:50 | 1:45:52 | |
I could give you a dozen names, | 1:45:52 | 1:45:54 | |
and I'll bet you they would say the same as I'm saying. | 1:45:54 | 1:45:57 | |
It wasn't a skill. | 1:45:57 | 1:46:00 | |
It was just an aura which provided us with a feel-good factor | 1:46:00 | 1:46:05 | |
that we didn't get from very many people in our lives. | 1:46:05 | 1:46:09 | |
The last weeks of George's life, he was in Switzerland, | 1:46:09 | 1:46:14 | |
and I went to see him, and he was very ill. | 1:46:14 | 1:46:17 | |
And, you know, he could only lay down. | 1:46:17 | 1:46:20 | |
And while he was being ill and I'd come to see him, | 1:46:23 | 1:46:27 | |
I was going to Boston, | 1:46:27 | 1:46:31 | |
cos my daughter had a brain tumour. | 1:46:31 | 1:46:35 | |
And I said, "Well, you know, I've got to go, | 1:46:35 | 1:46:37 | |
"I've got to go to Boston," and he goes... | 1:46:37 | 1:46:40 | |
..it's the last words I heard him say, actually... | 1:46:43 | 1:46:46 | |
And he said, "Do you want me to come with you?" | 1:46:46 | 1:46:50 | |
Oh, God. | 1:46:51 | 1:46:53 | |
So, you know, that's the incredible side of George. | 1:46:54 | 1:46:58 | |
God, it's like Barbara fucking Walters here, isn't it? | 1:47:00 | 1:47:05 | |
HE LAUGHS | 1:47:05 | 1:47:07 | |
There was a profound experience that happened when he left his body. | 1:47:48 | 1:47:55 | |
It was visible. | 1:47:56 | 1:47:58 | |
Let's just say, you wouldn't need to light the room... | 1:47:58 | 1:48:02 | |
..if you were trying to film it. | 1:48:04 | 1:48:06 | |
You know, he, um... | 1:48:08 | 1:48:09 | |
He just... | 1:48:12 | 1:48:13 | |
He just lit the room. | 1:48:17 | 1:48:18 | |
# Namah Parvati | 1:48:32 | 1:48:36 | |
# Pataye Hare Hare Mahadev | 1:48:36 | 1:48:42 | |
# Namah Parvati Pataye Hare Hare | 1:48:44 | 1:48:50 | |
# Namah Parvati Pataye Hare Hare | 1:48:53 | 1:48:59 | |
# Shiva Shiva Shankara Mahadeva | 1:49:03 | 1:49:09 | |
# Hare Hare Hare Hare Mahadeva | 1:49:12 | 1:49:18 | |
# Shiva Shiva Shankara Mahadeva | 1:49:22 | 1:49:29 | |
# Shiva Shiva Shankara Mahadeva | 1:49:32 | 1:49:38 | |
# Shiva Shiva Shankara Mahadeva | 1:49:43 | 1:49:49 | |
MUSIC: "Long, Long, Long" | 1:50:08 | 1:50:11 | |
# It's been a long, long, long time | 1:50:15 | 1:50:21 | |
# How could I ever have lost you | 1:50:26 | 1:50:33 | |
# When I loved you? | 1:50:38 | 1:50:42 | |
# It took a long, long, long time | 1:50:46 | 1:50:52 | |
# Now I'm so happy I found you | 1:50:56 | 1:51:02 | |
# How I want you | 1:51:08 | 1:51:12 | |
# How I love you | 1:51:14 | 1:51:20 | |
# You know that I need you | 1:51:22 | 1:51:25 | |
# Oh, I love you... # | 1:51:27 | 1:51:30 | |
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