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programmes about Post-War Architecture. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
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This is either a godless building, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
or God. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:50 | |
But if God did exist, I could imagine him looking like this building - | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
in a way of having strength but...a lack of emotion. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:03 | |
When I first came here, I came here to study anatomy. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
I was doing life drawing at the art school | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
and then drawing from cadavers in here to make it all make sense. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:25 | |
The first time I went into the dissecting room and walked through, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
I thought I was going to vomit or pass out and die. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
Cos I spoke with a doctor who said to me, | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
"Have you dealt with corpses before?" And I said yes, when I hadn't. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
But, very quickly, that got normalised, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
and now going through the dissecting rooms, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
I don't really have any emotion, except maybe nostalgia. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
Buildings cut and dissect space | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
to create living environments for live people. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
This is a building for live people to cut and dissect dead bodies. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
That's why I like this building. I like that contradiction. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
I like the way that it's like a building getting its own back. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
It's almost as if the outside of the building, the exterior | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
is denying that it's part of the same processes of decay and destruction | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
and corruption as the human bodies inside the building. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
The dead bodies come and go and the living bodies come and go | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
and the building stays the same. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
I get a feeling from the building that it's more alive than me, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
which is terrifying. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
It dwarfs everything. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
I think the building ignores all the buildings around, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
and becomes...a focus. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
It's just relentless in what it is. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
Just formally it's very fascist, it's like a cube. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
A cube can represent a fascist idea of | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
"This is what we are and we're not backing down on any angle." | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
It's solid from all angles. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:32 | |
A solidity - and people always look for solidity - | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
I think is a great strength. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
I love the idea of solidity, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
but to actually find solidity in my body means that I will be a skeleton. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:52 | |
With a person, the most solid part of a person, physically, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
is the skeleton, | 0:03:58 | 0:03:59 | |
and that's on the inside. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:00 | |
Whereas, with a building, the most solid part of it is on the outside. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
The exterior of this building is incredibly strong, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
it's like armour, armour-plated. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
It's like a castle, or a castle keep, a fortress. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
Alongside the building, there are two enormous chimneys, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
which aren't part of the building, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:28 | |
but because they are such a simple form, and the building | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
is such a simple form, you visually connect them immediately. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
And wherever you are, round the building, up to a mile away, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
you see the chimneys and know that that's where the building is. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
And in a way they give it a very strong fascist feeling, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
like a concentration camp, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
or the gas chambers, which is very eerie for a place of study. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
I wouldn't be surprised if more dead people | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
had passed through the ninth floor than living people, which is weird. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
It's a building for dead people. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
For me, the ninth floor is the one floor where it is most apparent. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
And it filters out as you go up and below that floor. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
It's all related to bodies, the whole of the floors. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
Even if you're doing microbiology, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
there's still dead culture, dead tissues, dead blood cells. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
But on the ninth floor is where it's most apparent. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
To have a clinical building, I think is a great idea. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
The most unclinical thing about this building is the canteen. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
The difference between the mural | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
and what's actually going on in the mural | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
and what's actually going on in the rooms, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
is like the difference between loving somebody | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
and murdering somebody. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
But why do a painting of something when you can have the real thing? | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
I've always been obsessed by medical waste, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
much more than any other kind of waste, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:28 | |
because it's so clean, it's so organised, so clinical. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
The building consumes energy - light, heat, food, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
medical supplies, students, cadavers, tutors, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:45 | |
everything. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
Buildings have entrails - | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
for wires, for the pipes, the heating, the electricity, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
for the air conditioning. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
In this building, they're all contained inside | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
these convex features to keep more space on the inside for the students. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:05 | |
In the building, I like the idea that the services are all on the outside, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
so that even though, visually, it looks like it has this strength, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
it's like its most vulnerable parts | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
are actually very near to the surface, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
which is quite a fragile position. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
I was always fascinated by the NASA photographs of the moon - | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
the way that by laying a grid over an unknowable landscape, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
they create a kind of confidence, something solid and believable. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
But I always felt that the moon and the grid were never connected, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
they were always separate. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:37 | |
I see buildings like that - as a three-dimensional graph, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
or a grid, like a geometrical structure to live in, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
to give us meaning in our lives. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
And in the same way that the grid on the landscape of the moon | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
doesn't make sense and can never be combined, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
I think buildings never fully combine with us. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
I guess that's why they fall down. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
It's like, buildings are at their most perfect | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
before the people move into them, and then it's just a matter of time. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Looking at the building, I get torn between ugly and lovely. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:17 | |
There's a beauty in ugliness that I think exists in this building, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
along with its function. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:24 | |
So, for me, the first time I saw the building, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
it was instantly fused with that idea of death. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
There's a lot of different ways that I can see the way that | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
the outside and inside are connected, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
but in a way it's like I can't bring the function of the building | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
and way it looks on the outside together, and I can't take it apart. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
It's like one without the other doesn't make sense. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
For me, it completely affected my whole idea of death. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
Seeing bodies in this building with the mystery completely removed | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
made me realise that God didn't exist. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 |