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£18,500,000... £19,000,000 and £4,000,000...

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The art world, a place of outrageous fortune.

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95, selling at 95,000,000.

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But beneath the surface lurks danger.

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I probably turned out about 200 fakes over a six, seven year period.

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You're committing fraud on a grand scale.

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International art dealer Philip Mould uncovers sleepers,

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pictures with a secret past.

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Now he's bringing his detective skills to solve more mysteries locked in paint.

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In the past we looked at pictures,

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now almost you can look through them.

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I'm Fiona Bruce. As a journalist I'm used to hunting for facts.

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We're teaming up for a new series of investigations.

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This case will be one of the most challenging we've ever faced

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as we try and prove that this little dancer

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was painted by one of the world's most famous artists.

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Our investigation takes us from the ballet in Paris...

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That's it, isn't it? I mean, that is it.

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To Germany, and the biggest forgery scandal of modern times.

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When these paintings were thought to be genuine,

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how much were they worth?

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Millions.

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With cutting-edge science and new research,

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can we persuade the world's experts to accept it as a genuine work?

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If it is a fake, it's a very good one.

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This is, I think, on a knife edge.

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Mayfair, London.

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Where the very well-heeled come in search of jewellery,

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fashion and fine art.

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Fancy a bit of window shopping?

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I wouldn't say no.

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Many a multi-million pound deal has taken place behind these doors.

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So what do you think of that dreamy little Monet?

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That could look rather tasty above your fireplace.

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Now guess how much that is.

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I don't know, you know I hate guessing!

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What would you say?

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-North of a million pounds.

-Wow.

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It's amazing, isn't it, just think - it's a piece of canvas

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and just the power of the artist's imagination and you get a value like that.

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Yeah, but it's also because the art world's authorities

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agree on its authenticity.

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I mean, this can be a street of broken dreams.

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I mean, for every picture that's fully accepted

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there are hundreds with question marks above their head.

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Which is where we come in.

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Patrick Rice and his son Jonathan have made an appointment

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to show us a painting that has had a question mark over it for decades.

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-Hi there. You must be Patrick.

-Hello.

-Fiona, nice to meet you.

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But they believe it's an important work

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by one of the world's most sought-after artists.

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Here's the painting.

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So this is the painting. Can I unwrap it?

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Yes, please.

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Oh, my word!

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-Degas, it says.

-Yes.

-Gosh.

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It certainly looks like a Degas.

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One of his dancers. Well, that's a typical Degas subject, isn't it?

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-I think it is, yes.

-Well, dancers by Degas,

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I mean it's one of those great cliches out there, isn't it?

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Yes, well, it's interesting because obviously in some ways the main subjects

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are the double basses coming out at the front, you know,

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which gives it a rather dark quality

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but I think it's a very interesting painting.

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And how did you come by certainly what looks like a painting

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by one of the great Impressionist masters?

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Well, my father bought it at the end of the war from Knoedler's.

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-Which was an art dealer.

-Yes.

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And presumably it wasn't cheap?

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No, no, I think it probably was about the right sort of market price

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-for the time, £800.

-£800, just after the War.

-Yes.

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-That's the equivalent of £20,000 in today's money.

-Yes.

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Patrick's father, Edward Denis Rice, was a gentleman farmer from Kent

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who married an American heiress in the 1930s.

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The family fortune gradually disappeared at the end of the 20th century

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and the painting is one of the few surviving mementoes of a more prosperous age.

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But Danseuse Bleue, the Blue Dancer, doesn't appear

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in the official record of Degas works, the Catalogue Raisonne,

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and one expert who examined it in 2009 expressed doubts about its authenticity.

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What didn't he like about the painting?

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There were a few things.

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The face of the dancer, which I think he called trivial,

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the position of it, I think he said it was not a formal pose.

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And the draughtsmanship of the heads of the double bass and then,

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the other one, I guess the bigger one, would be the signature.

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Did he not think it looked like a Degas signature?

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He had problems with it.

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Without the Catalogue Raisonne,

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without the expert backup, it's extremely difficult to sell.

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If this is Degas, what's it worth?

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Well, it's easier to ask what it would be worth if it weren't by Degas -

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-probably a few hundred pounds.

-Yeah.

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-As a work by Degas, possibly half a million.

-Yeah.

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So, if you succeed in proving that this is by Degas,

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what do you have in mind for it?

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Well, it was handed on to me by my sister in order to help my side of the family.

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You know, it is very valuable and the best way that it can be useful

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to the whole family is to sell it. I think whatever happens,

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it's going to be extremely interesting to clear up the whole mystery of it.

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The stakes couldn't be higher for Patrick's painting.

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Degas is one of the most popular artists in the world.

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He's been the subject of blockbuster exhibitions

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and his works take pride of place in galleries such as the Courtauld Institute in London.

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I'm going to show you just how high the bar is set.

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I mean, if we're going to prove that Patrick's picture is by Degas,

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it's going to need to have all the hallmarks of the master who did this.

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Just beautiful, isn't it?

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Isn't that feeling of artificial lighting extraordinary?

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The shadow of the rose on her dress, is cast in that very dramatic way.

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It's almost like a snapshot, isn't it,

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frozen in mid-pose.

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I mean what I love about it is, I mean you know like so many women,

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I did a tiny bit of ballet, sort of clumping around the village hall,

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-when I was small...

-Clumping?!

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Absolutely, and it is every little girl's kind of dream,

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those impossibly frothy toile, lighter-than-air skirts.

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He used the ballet like some artists used landscapes,

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others used still lives, to conquer all the great quests in art -

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feeling of light, feeling of colour, feeling of atmosphere.

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Feeling of movement.

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And movement of course, yes.

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And do you think our painting can live up to that?

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I mean, it is a tall order, isn't it,

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however this is a much bigger picture.

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Probably you could say rather more ambitious

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and I think there's enough trace elements for us to take Patrick's picture seriously.

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I really don't think this rules it out.

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Trouble is, Patrick's picture is not in the Catalogue Raisonne,

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and this painting of course is.

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Yep, and there it is.

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425, stamped, numbered, provenance there written up.

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I mean, we've got to find a way of getting Patrick's picture into this.

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Back in Philip's gallery, it's time to assess the challenge ahead

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with the help of our head of research Dr Bendor Grosvenor,

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a man with an acute eye for art and a keen instinct for evidence.

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I've been having a look at a high-resolution scan of Patrick's picture here

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and I think once you get your head round the composition

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it's actually quite an intriguing prospect.

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So, we've obviously got a little ballet dancer on a stage

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and then I think to the right of her,

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seems to me like a sort of grotto, background scenery

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and then on the left what looks like a seascape.

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And those dark looming shapes in the foreground

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are in fact double bass heads.

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So, this is an orchestra pit and what we're seeing is a performance.

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Those double bass heads are rather awkward, aren't they?

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Or interesting, depending on your point of view.

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I mean, it would be good to know if Degas painted that kind of thing in that way.

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But he likes a challenge, Degas, he does awkward.

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OK, so what do we know about the picture's history, its provenance?

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Well, very helpfully for me, Patrick still has the original invoice

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from when his family bought the picture in 1945

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and at the bottom of the invoice it says "provenance."

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"This picture was bought direct from the Artist by Goupil & Co."

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They were a famous firm of art dealers in the 19th century,

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"In 1882, and sold by them to Monsieur Emile Heilbuth,

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"Founder and editor of the well-known art magazine

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"Kunst und Kunstler of Berlin, and now comes from his daughter."

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So, we've got a previous owner who was an editor of an art magazine

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who bought it from a dealer who bought it from Degas himself.

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That's pretty compelling, isn't it?

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It is if we can make it all add up.

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Unfortunately I think I've spotted a mistake already in this legend.

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It says here that the picture was bought in 1882 from Degas,

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but we know that Degas was only dealing with another dealer,

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Paul Durand-Ruel, until 1887, so the dates don't quite work.

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So, how worried should we be about that?

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Does that mean it's a fake?

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I don't think we should get too hung up on this.

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This was, remember, 50 years after Degas sold it, it was passed

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from father to daughter, you know, things get lost in that process.

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The crucial thing though is to find it physically written in the Goupil Stock Book.

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Philip, you're always saying that you can tell as much about a painting from the back as the front,

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so is there anything on the back of this painting that can help us?

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I'm glad you remembered that but I'm afraid, in this instance,

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it's a red herring. There is something on the back

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but it's a Christie's stencil.

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And Patrick's family took it to Christie's in the 1970s

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when he was trying to get it authenticated then.

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But it's not necessarily a bad thing that we haven't found

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exhibition labels and signs of it being out in the public.

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This was a private painting that didn't get that light of day.

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Hmmm, well OK, so putting the back of the painting

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and the provenance to one side then, is there anything else

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we can do to establish whether or not this is a genuine Degas?

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I mean this has had some serious accusations thrown against it.

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We need now to try and rebuff those.

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If there's any new evidence we can unearth at all,

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then it might just mean that the people who are compiling

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the Catalogue Raisonne will at last put it in.

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Our search begins in Degas's hometown.

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Paris.

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First stop, the Musee D'Orsay.

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Once a railway station, it now houses one of the world's finest collections

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of Impressionist art, including some of Degas's most important paintings and sculptures.

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So, this is the man, Edgar Degas.

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He was 21 when he painted this self-portrait,

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but he was looking back in those days,

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he's looking back to the Old Masters who really influenced him.

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So, how did this rather stiff, self-conscious looking

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young man turn into the artist who created paintings full of vibrancy

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and movement, and who may have created Patrick's painting?

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The son of a wealthy banker, Edgar Degas was born in Paris in 1834

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and briefly trained as a lawyer before becoming an artist.

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The seriousness of his early work gave way to something altogether more daring

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and expressive when he discovered the bohemian world of the stage,

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as curator Xavier Rey explains.

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Xavier, nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you and welcome at the Musee d'Orsay.

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Thank you.

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This particular painting, what can you tell us about it?

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This painting is one of the first ballet scenes by Degas

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and it's a view that was very unusual for that time,

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when you see the orchestra in the foreground

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and just the legs of the dancers of the background.

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But you notice something similar to Patrick's picture?

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Of course, the composition with the double bass sticking up

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into the stage area.

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But in the same way that the double basses

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somehow link you with the stage in Patrick's picture, so too this

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seems to sort of, almost like a ladder

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up into all the effervescent colour.

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Well, that's fascinating and it makes Patrick's picture

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seem slightly less outlandish.

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There's a continuity of thought there between this painting and Patrick's.

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You could see, exactly, you could see how the idea evolved.

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In 1874, a radical group of painters called the Impressionists

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staged their first exhibition in Paris.

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Alongside works by Monet and Renoir was a painting by Degas

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that showcased everything he was passionate about in art.

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So, this painting shows what the ballet scenes will be all Degas's career.

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A study of movement, of different poses of ballet dancers

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and also the study of the artificial light.

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Could Patrick's little Blue Dancer claim a rightful place

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on stage with the rest of Degas's ballerinas?

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We need to take our research a step further

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and find out more about how Degas painted his favourite subject.

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It was a real thrill to see the realism of the poses,

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of the dancers, you know, scratching, yawning,

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tying up a ballet shoe, fastening a ribbon, and I don't know enough

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about ballet to assess whether the dancer's pose in Patrick's painting

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is realistic in the way that Degas would have painted.

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No, that's something you need to check out further.

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I mean, we've seen a lot of evidence today, but provenance is an issue

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and it's something I'm going to need to tighten up.

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At the time we think Patrick's picture was painted,

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in the 1880s, Degas was frequently attending ballet performances

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here at the Palais Garnier, a spectacular opera house

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in the heart of Paris.

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I'm following in Degas's footsteps to get an insight into the world

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that inspired him, and to search for evidence that might help prove

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he painted our Blue Dancer.

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I want to find out if the scene depicted in Patrick's picture,

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bears any relation to a performance Degas would have seen here.

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Archivist Mathias Auclair has searched out visual records

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of two ballets that featured a grotto and seascape

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as part of the set, Sylvia and The Tempest.

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We have photographs of the set of Sylvia,

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and you can see it's Greek style with a temple.

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It's a bit of a stretch, isn't it, but I mean there is some water here,

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and a sense of an arch, but that's probably about it.

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The other one that's been suggested is possibly The Tempest,

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have you got anything about The Tempest from this time?

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-Yes, we have...

-From 1889.

-Design of the costumes.

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Gosh, this wasp waist here. Is that some designer's idealised version of a woman?

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Perhaps this one with the electric blue because it's...

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Yeah, yeah...and the shape and the style of the skirt,

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of the tutu, the headdress.

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Maybe.

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Possibly, yes.

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After a glimpse of the costumes in the archives,

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and those hanging now in the costume department,

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it's easy to understand why Degas once said his chief interest lay

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in rendering movement and painting pretty clothes.

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But I'm still hoping the ballet might provide us

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with more compelling evidence to support Patrick's picture,

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and on the other side of town, Philip is on the hunt for more clues

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about the painting's history.

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According to Patrick's invoice, we should be able to trace his painting

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right back to the moment it left Degas's studio.

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It's a tantalising prospect,

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but all I've got to go on are two names, Goupil and Heilbuth.

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To find out more, I've come to visit the archives of the man who managed Degas's business affairs,

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renowned art dealer Paul Durand-Ruel.

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He was well acquainted with all the players in the Paris art scene

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and his descendants Flavie and Paul-Louis have been searching

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his records for information about the names on our list.

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The first stage in our provenance is that we have a record of the picture

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being sold by Degas to Goupil. Now, who is Goupil?

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Goupil was mainly a seller and producer of lithographs and prints,

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but then Theo Van Gogh, the brother of the painter Vincent,

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worked with Goupil and was a very astute dealer

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and he brought quite a lot of business to Goupil.

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This is good news for us.

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Degas was notoriously picky about who he did business with

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but he trusted Theo Van Gogh

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and sold him some paintings of dancers between 1887 and 1891.

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So, there's a real chance that Van Gogh's brother would

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have bought our picture?

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-Yes.

-Well, there's a thought.

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The last owner of this picture was a chap called Emil Heilbuth,

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who had a German connection, can you tell us anything about him?

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Well, Durand-Ruel had quite a long and active relationship

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with Heilbuth, he was sort of an unofficial agent in Germany.

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He knew collectors there and acted as a middleman.

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This is intriguing stuff. Emil Heilbuth, the previous owner of Patrick's picture,

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wasn't just the editor of a German magazine, he was also an art dealer

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and he seems to have been a keen buyer of Degas's works.

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You have here Degas bought by Heilbuth on 25th of October 1895.

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Ah, now that's interesting, because it shows that Heilbuth

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has a particular interest in this artist Degas.

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With Fiona and I following up leads in Paris, Bendor and Jonathan

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turn their attention to the criticisms levelled at the painting.

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The auction house Christie's had expressed interest in the picture

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in 2009 until a Degas expert they consulted

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found fault with the dancer's face and the artist's signature.

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But are there grounds for a second opinion?

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So, we've got here three absolutely authentic Degas signatures

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on different pictures, but I don't know about you, but to me

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they look as if they could all perhaps be by a different artist.

0:21:490:21:52

-That one's very sort of rapidly painted, isn't it?

-Yeah.

0:21:520:21:55

And what I like about this one at the bottom is your expert

0:21:560:21:59

said that the G was a little bit problematic

0:21:590:22:01

but I find that quite similar to yours.

0:22:010:22:03

Yeah, absolutely.

0:22:030:22:04

And then here we've also got the sort of hook of the D.

0:22:040:22:07

Yeah. And I think with your picture it's quite interesting

0:22:070:22:11

because it's quite small it's different from doing a...

0:22:110:22:15

a signature on a big finished painting, and it's a little bit like

0:22:150:22:18

when you're trying to sign your own signature

0:22:180:22:20

on the back of a credit card. You always get it wrong, don't you,

0:22:200:22:23

it doesn't quite look like your normal signature,

0:22:230:22:25

but maybe that's what was going on with Degas here.

0:22:250:22:29

If I was forging that picture, I think I would go out there

0:22:290:22:32

-to make the signature look...

-Look really good.

0:22:320:22:34

More like a Degas signature. So, the fact that it looks peculiar,

0:22:340:22:37

-could actually be an argument in its favour.

-Hmm.

0:22:370:22:40

What else did the connoisseur not like about your picture?

0:22:410:22:44

He had concerns over the face of the dancer.

0:22:440:22:47

The face of the dancer, right.

0:22:470:22:49

He described it sort of "trivial features".

0:22:490:22:51

I mean, I suppose you can see what he means in a way,

0:22:530:22:56

because it is a little bit awkward, isn't it?

0:22:560:22:58

With that funny little sort of grimace

0:22:580:23:01

and that funny little pair of eyes.

0:23:010:23:04

Well, it's a very subjective thing.

0:23:040:23:06

Even though it is sort of very simply drawn

0:23:060:23:09

I think it's also very sort of competently drawn.

0:23:090:23:12

Well, I've been having a little look amongst other Degas.

0:23:140:23:16

What I think's really interesting is that the faces of these little figures

0:23:160:23:20

-are actually, you could call them trivialised too, couldn't you?

-Yeah.

0:23:200:23:23

I mean, this one here looks like it was drawn by a five-year-old.

0:23:230:23:25

Yeah, it does.

0:23:250:23:26

And we've got some more examples here.

0:23:260:23:28

Again you could say that these are rather trivial faces,

0:23:280:23:31

couldn't you?

0:23:310:23:32

So, I think what we're dealing with here is...

0:23:320:23:34

It's quite difficult to actually make a firm opinion on a little face

0:23:350:23:38

like that because in real life it's tiny,

0:23:380:23:42

isn't it, I mean look, it's not even half a centimetre big.

0:23:420:23:45

The Degas expert who examined Patrick's painting

0:23:550:23:58

was also critical of the dancer's pose.

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As an artist, Degas was meticulous about the way

0:24:020:24:04

he portrayed his dancers, depicting realistic ballet positions.

0:24:040:24:08

But can we prove that the dancer in Patrick's painting

0:24:100:24:13

is balanced in an authentic ballet pose?

0:24:130:24:16

Back in the Palais Garnier in Paris,

0:24:220:24:25

I enlisted the help of the head of ballet, a dancer, and a photographer

0:24:250:24:29

to try and recreate the scene.

0:24:290:24:31

We have here a picture which may or may not be by Degas,

0:24:360:24:40

but the important thing I wanted you to look at is the pose of this dancer.

0:24:400:24:45

Viviane, is this pose wrong?

0:24:450:24:48

Well, what we're wondering, Leonore, is if you could take that position,

0:25:000:25:03

we could catch a snapshot of it and then we could compare it with this.

0:25:030:25:07

-Yes.

-Yeah? Great.

0:25:070:25:09

Sebastian, do you want to, let's see if we can capture that.

0:25:090:25:12

Degas was fascinated by the new technique of photography.

0:25:210:25:26

He got his first camera in 1895

0:25:260:25:28

and used it to take photos of himself and his artist friends.

0:25:280:25:32

But in an age when taking a photo was a slow and laborious process,

0:25:350:25:39

Degas still had the edge in his art,

0:25:390:25:41

capturing the turn of a heel or the twirl of a skirt

0:25:410:25:45

in a way that the early photographers could only dream of.

0:25:450:25:49

Now I don't want to be fussy but I think she's looking down.

0:25:490:25:51

-Ah yeah, yeah, yeah.

-I think she's looking down like that.

0:25:510:25:54

C'est un problem?

0:25:540:25:57

Is that a problem, would you not naturally do that, or...?

0:25:570:26:00

Or it's OK? Oh, brilliant, OK.

0:26:000:26:04

SHE SPEAKS IN FRENCH

0:26:040:26:06

So, the position's not fixed, you're swaying.

0:26:060:26:08

IN FRENCH

0:26:080:26:09

So, so, yes, looking down, facing forward.

0:26:210:26:25

That's exactly it, I think. That's it, isn't it?

0:26:350:26:38

I mean, that is it.

0:26:380:26:39

Good.

0:26:410:26:43

Thanks very much.

0:26:430:26:45

The third one.

0:26:560:26:58

That's it.

0:26:580:26:59

I mean, that's real progress for us. Degas could have painted that.

0:26:590:27:03

Oh, look at that.

0:27:050:27:08

I have to say that is better than I expected.

0:27:080:27:10

Thank you, thank you, Leonore. That's just great.

0:27:100:27:13

After a fruitful trip to Paris, we reconvene back at Philip's gallery.

0:27:170:27:21

Bendor has been looking for hard evidence to back up the story

0:27:210:27:24

on Patrick's invoice and he thinks he's found it.

0:27:240:27:27

Now, I've been having a look in the Goupil & Co Stock Books

0:27:290:27:33

and there is a reference to what could be our picture,

0:27:330:27:36

it's here in 1889, stock number 19873

0:27:360:27:42

and the title of the picture is Danseuse Bleue Et Contrebasses,

0:27:420:27:45

which means Blue Dancer and Double Basses,

0:27:450:27:47

and it was bought from Degas for 600 francs.

0:27:470:27:50

Then in the final Goupil Stock Book instalment,

0:27:500:27:54

we find that the picture was sold to Heilbuth.

0:27:540:27:58

On paper the provenance is all very convincing, but we need to prove

0:27:580:28:02

that the painting Patrick has now was the same picture

0:28:020:28:05

that's in all these stock books from earlier on.

0:28:050:28:08

But I've been going through the Catalogue Raisonne here,

0:28:080:28:11

with which I've become very familiar, and unfortunately here's a picture

0:28:110:28:14

-I think you might recognise.

-Gosh, that's almost identical, isn't it?

0:28:140:28:18

-To Patrick's painting.

-Mm-hm.

0:28:180:28:20

It hangs in an art gallery in Hamburg

0:28:200:28:22

and it was given to them in the 1920s by a collector,

0:28:220:28:26

who bought it in the 1890s from our friend Emil Heilbuth.

0:28:260:28:32

Heilbuth?

0:28:320:28:33

That's extraordinary because we're dealing with the same provenance,

0:28:330:28:38

well, sounds like it, the same composition.

0:28:380:28:41

So, we have to ask ourselves, is that going to be a problem?

0:28:420:28:46

This is our first serious obstacle.

0:28:480:28:51

If the entry in the Goupil Stock Book actually relates to the Hamburg painting,

0:28:510:28:56

is Patrick's picture just masquerading as a genuine Degas work?

0:28:560:29:01

-Bendor, can we see both pictures side by side?

-Yes.

0:29:010:29:04

Because surely, I mean look at them, we have to at least consider

0:29:040:29:07

the possibility that Patrick's is a copy, you know, a fake?

0:29:070:29:11

Well, I share your concerns.

0:29:110:29:13

Though presumably if it was fake that would be before 1945,

0:29:130:29:16

because after that date it was in the possession of Patrick's family,

0:29:160:29:20

-we know that.

-Yes, although unfortunately the mention of that year, 1945,

0:29:200:29:24

slightly rings alarm bells in our world, wouldn't you say?

0:29:240:29:27

I have to say that chilling date can be the kiss of death

0:29:270:29:31

to an otherwise decent provenance.

0:29:310:29:33

I mean, if you can imagine you've got the end of the Nazi era,

0:29:330:29:37

the end of the Second World War chaos...

0:29:370:29:39

There are literally thousands of masterpieces that go missing

0:29:390:29:42

and it becomes a wonderful smokescreen for forgers

0:29:420:29:45

to try and pass off their fakes as those missing originals

0:29:450:29:49

and in fact in Germany the police have just been prosecuting

0:29:490:29:52

a master forger who was doing exactly that.

0:29:520:29:55

Well, maybe then we could talk to the German police about our painting

0:29:550:30:00

and see how they spotted their fakes.

0:30:000:30:02

I've come to Berlin, to follow up Bendor's lead

0:30:100:30:14

about a major investigation into fake artworks with stolen provenances.

0:30:140:30:19

I've secured a meeting in the grandly named

0:30:200:30:23

State Criminal Police Office Department of Art

0:30:230:30:27

with Marcus Schonfelder, one of the detectives who helped convict

0:30:270:30:30

Europe's most prolific modern forger, Wolfgang Beltracchi.

0:30:300:30:36

He was jailed for six years in 2011 for creating 14 fictitious works

0:30:370:30:43

by renowned modern artists, but police believe he faked many more.

0:30:430:30:47

We've got French, we've got Dutch, we've got German,

0:30:500:30:53

we've got Modernism, we've got Cubism, Surrealism.

0:30:530:30:58

I mean, he could turn his hand to anything, couldn't he?

0:30:590:31:02

Yeah, it seemed so.

0:31:020:31:04

When these paintings were thought to be genuine,

0:31:040:31:07

how much were they worth?

0:31:070:31:08

-Millions.

-Millions?

0:31:080:31:11

-Millions.

-Wow.

0:31:110:31:12

The most valuable I think is the Derain.

0:31:120:31:15

For more than 4,000,000.

0:31:150:31:19

Wow, and I mean he managed to trick art experts,

0:31:200:31:25

gallery owners, museums.

0:31:250:31:28

Yes. For a long time, I think for more than 20 years.

0:31:280:31:33

The genius of Beltracchi's crime lay in the way he researched paintings

0:31:340:31:38

that had gone missing during the Second World War.

0:31:380:31:41

He then created his own versions of them, claiming the paintings

0:31:410:31:44

had suddenly resurfaced from long-lost Jewish art collections.

0:31:440:31:48

He made fake labels for the collections,

0:31:500:31:52

soaking them in coffee so they would look old.

0:31:520:31:55

Beltracchi's partner Helene even posed beside the fakes

0:31:570:32:00

in period dress in a photograph that was doctored to look like it had been taken in the 1920s.

0:32:000:32:07

A trick that was only exposed when the police discovered

0:32:070:32:09

they'd bought the bronze sculpture in 2003.

0:32:090:32:13

And how many did he paint?

0:32:160:32:19

In the last interview I heard that he painted works from 50 artists,

0:32:190:32:24

so you could count..

0:32:240:32:27

-Dozens and dozens and dozens. Hundreds?

-Perhaps.

0:32:270:32:30

I don't know, really. That's his knowledge and his...

0:32:300:32:34

-And he's keeping it.

-And he's keeping it.

0:32:340:32:37

So, presumably there are Beltracchi fakes on museum walls still?

0:32:370:32:45

-In collections, in galleries?

-Perhaps.

0:32:450:32:48

The art world fell for Beltracchi's fakes

0:32:490:32:51

because they had the provenance of the original missing work.

0:32:510:32:55

Could someone have played the same trick on Patrick's father in 1945?

0:32:550:33:00

Looking at the possible Degas, the sale letter talks of,

0:33:020:33:07

it was sold in 1945 and it's written,

0:33:070:33:10

a history of who it belonged to.

0:33:100:33:13

-But that could be made up, we just don't know.

-Yes.

0:33:130:33:17

Beltracchi was finally caught when forensic tests

0:33:190:33:22

on a suspicious picture revealed the presence of a pigment

0:33:220:33:25

that didn't exist at the time it was supposed to have been painted.

0:33:250:33:29

My advice would be to go to a scientist to analyse the pigments,

0:33:320:33:37

the layers, everything.

0:33:370:33:39

-So, expert connoisseurship on its own is not enough?

-No, not really.

0:33:400:33:44

The Beltracchi case shows how important science can be in exposing fakes.

0:33:510:33:56

To be sure that there are no suspicious pigments

0:33:580:34:01

in Patrick's picture I've come to University College London

0:34:010:34:05

to meet Kathleen Froyen, an art historian with a high-tech gadget

0:34:050:34:09

that wouldn't look out of place in a James Bond film.

0:34:090:34:12

An art gun that can identify the chemicals in oil paint

0:34:150:34:19

and trace them right back to the artist's palette.

0:34:190:34:22

We're looking for chemical elements, and from the combination of elements

0:34:240:34:29

that we find we can deduct which pigments were used.

0:34:290:34:33

I see, so every pigment has its own, as it were,

0:34:330:34:35

DNA that this gun can pick up.

0:34:350:34:38

Yes. On average we'll find about ten to 15 elements.

0:34:390:34:43

This is good cos we've actually found mercury here

0:34:450:34:48

which means that he used vermillion to paint this very bright red.

0:34:480:34:52

I see, so mercury is the sort of bed-fellow of vermillion as it were.

0:34:520:34:57

-Yes, it is.

-What does vermillion tell us?

-Well, the Impressionists,

0:34:570:35:00

and Post-Impressionist painters, were particularly attracted to this pigment

0:35:000:35:03

because it was a brilliant scarlet, so they loved using it, it really caught their eye.

0:35:030:35:08

There is one pigment that we just don't want to find in Patrick's picture.

0:35:080:35:14

Titanium White.

0:35:140:35:17

Only in use a year after Degas's death in 1917,

0:35:170:35:21

its presence would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt

0:35:210:35:24

that the painting is a fake.

0:35:240:35:26

-So, you're going for the bonnet of the dancer?

-I am, yes,

0:35:270:35:30

it's the most obvious area where there's white present.

0:35:300:35:33

Well, this is very encouraging. As you can see here

0:35:500:35:53

the main elements found are lead, which is good because it indicates that probably lead white

0:35:530:35:59

was used and not titanium white.

0:35:590:36:01

-As opposed to the dreaded titanium.

-Yes.

0:36:010:36:03

Phew.

0:36:030:36:04

Also a combination of copper and arsenic, that we found here,

0:36:060:36:09

indicates that most likely he used emerald green,

0:36:090:36:13

which is fascinating because it was used a lot in Degas's time,

0:36:130:36:18

but throughout the 20th century, kind of phased out

0:36:180:36:21

because it was poisonous and the pigment was eventually banned in the 1960s.

0:36:210:36:27

Oh, right. Well, that helps us a bit.

0:36:270:36:29

The pigments in Patrick's painting seem to be consistent

0:36:330:36:36

with the Impressionist period.

0:36:360:36:38

There's even evidence of certain colours specific to Degas's palette.

0:36:390:36:44

But to be more confident that it isn't just a copy of the one in Germany,

0:36:500:36:55

I've brought Patrick and his painting to Hamburg's renowned art gallery.

0:36:550:36:59

For the first time in his life

0:36:590:37:01

Patrick will be able to compare the two paintings side by side.

0:37:010:37:06

Can his Blue Dancer hold its own next to a genuine work

0:37:060:37:10

with remarkable similarities?

0:37:100:37:13

Ah, there it is.

0:37:150:37:16

Ah, yes.

0:37:170:37:19

That's an extraordinary moment for me.

0:37:190:37:22

Yes, fascinating as the double basses are placed almost exactly

0:37:240:37:28

in the same position. It's extraordinary.

0:37:280:37:31

Yes, the most obvious

0:37:310:37:33

and sort of distinctive difference is in the tone.

0:37:330:37:36

This is possibly a more brightly lit scene

0:37:370:37:40

and that's a bit more twilight, wouldn't you say?

0:37:400:37:44

This has got a... Yes, it is a twilight, heavier look to it.

0:37:440:37:48

-This is much more modern looking, really.

-Yes.

0:37:520:37:55

-It's slightly brasher.

-Yes, yes.

0:37:550:37:58

There's a chunkiness about it which is very pleasing,

0:37:580:38:02

actually I think it's lovely.

0:38:020:38:04

You're about to say you prefer this.

0:38:040:38:06

No, no, no.

0:38:060:38:07

Comparing the pictures on the wall is one thing,

0:38:100:38:13

but the gallery have agreed to help us go one step further

0:38:130:38:17

and take their painting out of its frame for closer inspection.

0:38:170:38:21

Meanwhile, I've arrived in Hamburg with a mission of my own.

0:38:270:38:31

This was the hometown of the mysterious Emil Heilbuth

0:38:310:38:35

and I want to know more about the man who figures prominently

0:38:350:38:38

in the provenance of both paintings.

0:38:380:38:39

I've come to the gallery's archive to meet historian Dr Alex Bastek.

0:38:410:38:46

He's written about Heilbuth's life and career

0:38:460:38:49

and shows me the only known photo of him.

0:38:490:38:51

He attended the art college in Munich,

0:38:530:38:56

and we know that there must be paintings by Heilbuth as well

0:38:560:39:01

but we've no images of these at all.

0:39:010:39:05

We know him best as an art critic, he wrote for several art magazines

0:39:050:39:09

like Kunst und Kunstler, in fact Heilbuth was the first art critic

0:39:090:39:14

to write a favourable article about Claude Monet in Germany.

0:39:140:39:19

So, he was a supporter of Impressionism in Germany?

0:39:190:39:22

-Yes, right.

-Now you say he was an art critic but obviously,

0:39:220:39:24

I mean, he owned Patrick's painting, so he was, what was he, a collector?

0:39:240:39:28

He collected art to re-sell it, he was occasionally working

0:39:280:39:32

as an art dealer as well, but most of all to teach the public

0:39:320:39:37

what is modern art. He held lessons at the Weimar Kunst Academy

0:39:370:39:43

with his three Monet paintings he possessed.

0:39:430:39:46

So, he saw it as his mission, did he, to convert people

0:39:460:39:50

-to Impressionism and to painters like Degas?

-Yes, very much.

0:39:500:39:53

We have a quite interesting letter here written in 1893,

0:39:530:39:57

where he describes the painting of Degas.

0:39:570:40:01

"Greater beauty and achieved with these simple means

0:40:030:40:06

"I can not imagine".

0:40:060:40:08

That's what he wrote about Degas.

0:40:090:40:11

Heilbuth's passion for Degas made him a convincing salesman.

0:40:130:40:17

He sold the painting that now hangs in the Hamburg gallery

0:40:170:40:20

to a wealthy German collector who proudly displayed it

0:40:200:40:23

alongside his Old Masters.

0:40:230:40:25

You can just make out the double basses there,

0:40:280:40:30

can't you, in the foreground.

0:40:300:40:32

Without a photograph of Patrick's painting hanging on Emil Heilbuth's wall,

0:40:380:40:42

we can only assume that he kept it all his life

0:40:420:40:45

and passed it on to his daughter, as the original invoice suggests.

0:40:450:40:49

The fact that Heilbuth never sold the painting

0:40:490:40:52

that Patrick certainly believes is by Degas,

0:40:520:40:54

do you think that's unusual?

0:40:540:40:55

No, there might be several paintings he kept just to possess them,

0:40:550:40:59

and to be an art collector as you expect someone to be.

0:40:590:41:03

So, not necessarily because he couldn't sell them,

0:41:030:41:05

because he didn't want to sell them?

0:41:050:41:07

No, just because he loved this one and wanted to possess it.

0:41:070:41:11

Back in the gallery's library,

0:41:120:41:15

the moment of truth has arrived for Patrick

0:41:150:41:17

and me as curator Jenns Howoldt unveils their Degas dancer

0:41:170:41:21

and we get the opportunity to make a direct comparison with Patrick's painting.

0:41:210:41:26

Hello there, how nice to meet you,

0:41:260:41:28

and thank you so much for taking this painting out of its frame for us.

0:41:280:41:32

I have to say this is a terrific moment, isn't it,

0:41:380:41:40

I mean, there is no better way than comparing art

0:41:400:41:44

-than in the flesh like this, is there?

-No, absolutely.

0:41:440:41:47

I have to say something strikes me, now we're seeing the two,

0:41:500:41:54

the two patients, as it were, naked, without their clothes on.

0:41:540:41:58

Your picture is thicker, the paint has a little bit more depth.

0:41:580:42:03

Yes, I noticed that.

0:42:030:42:04

The Hamburg painting seems altogether more spontaneous,

0:42:040:42:08

even the ground layer of white paint that the surface has been primed with is doing some work.

0:42:080:42:15

This makes this picture so interesting,

0:42:150:42:17

because this has to do with light,

0:42:170:42:20

and he uses this areas of the priming as a light source.

0:42:200:42:28

And I get the impression that there's more...

0:42:280:42:32

..more of a sense of evolution in your painting

0:42:330:42:36

as if he's trying to arrive at the composition.

0:42:360:42:39

Yeah, I think so, it seems to have involved more of a struggle really.

0:42:390:42:43

The other one maybe came much more easily.

0:42:430:42:47

Yes, I mean, in your picture,

0:42:470:42:48

it looks as though the solution has been arrived at

0:42:480:42:51

and he's playing, you know, he's playing with ideas and colours.

0:42:510:42:54

Exactly, it's got a lighter touch altogether.

0:42:540:42:56

Degas was an experimental artist who liked to try out different

0:42:560:43:00

techniques and materials.

0:43:000:43:02

As an alternative to canvas,

0:43:020:43:04

he occasionally painted on wooden panels.

0:43:040:43:07

Patrick's picture is on mahogany, but what about the Hamburg painting?

0:43:070:43:12

Do you happen to know what wood yours is made from?

0:43:120:43:15

Yes, this is, um... Obviously, it's mahogany.

0:43:150:43:18

-It's mahogany?

-Yeah.

0:43:180:43:21

I mean, there are quite a few possible choices of wood,

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so the fact that they're both mahogany I find very encouraging.

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And although yours is covered with brown paper

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you can see that the edge has been similarly bevelled,

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which allows you to fit it into a frame better,

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apart from anything else.

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But one immediate thing that I've just noticed is this stamp

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on the back. Now I wasn't expecting to see that.

0:43:470:43:49

Do you know anything about that?

0:43:490:43:52

Not exactly, we can read one single word, this is "Paris".

0:43:520:43:59

-I should think it's the artist's supplier.

-I think that's quite possible.

0:43:590:44:04

-But it gives us a lead, another lead.

-Yes, yes, yes, it does indeed.

0:44:040:44:08

What we've seen today is actually really encouraging

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and we've seen two paintings that share very much the same characteristics,

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I mean, the same approach to the subject matter,

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the same support, seeing how they're both on mahogany.

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I have to say I'm slightly more optimistic than I was,

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but I still think we've got quite a way to go.

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How did you get on?

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INAUDIBLE RESPONSE

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We both had cause for optimism after our visit to Hamburg,

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but we still needed to find out why the painting suddenly appeared

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in a London art dealers at the end of the Second World War.

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If Patrick's picture is genuine, we have to believe it was in the hands

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of Emil Heilbuth's family until this point,

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and the only people who can confirm that are Heilbuth's descendants.

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But we've made a thrilling break-through.

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We've tracked down Heilbuth's great-granddaughter Hilary.

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She lives in America but she's flown over here to give us some answers.

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Hilary, thank you so much for coming.

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Oh, it's a delight, thank you.

0:45:220:45:23

Can you trace back the family connection for me?

0:45:230:45:26

Emil Heilbuth married an Englishwoman and they had a daughter, Katie,

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my grandma, and she had a son Claude, my father,

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and there he is when he was at Oxford.

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And then it ends with you, for the purposes of our story.

0:45:380:45:41

Yes, he had me.

0:45:410:45:42

So, is there any specific family memory about the sale of the picture

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we're looking into?

0:45:470:45:48

Oh, yes. My father specifically recalls

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my grandmother having to sell this Degas ballet dancer painting in 1945

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because she needed money.

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It's fascinating.

0:45:580:45:59

Hilary's grandmother Katie married an Austrian Jew, in 1933.

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They lived in Vienna until the rise of the Nazis forced them

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to flee with all their belongings.

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She had the foresight to get to London,

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because that was where her family was, and where my grandma went,

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the collection went, after Emil died and left it to her.

0:46:180:46:22

So, your grandmother inherited a whole collection from Emil Heilbuth?

0:46:220:46:25

-Hmm.

-So what sort of names are we talking about?

0:46:250:46:29

There were two Manet lithographs, large ones,

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there was a Munch painting.

0:46:320:46:35

We've still got this little Degas dancer,

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is what we've always known it as.

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This is a reproduction of it.

0:46:390:46:41

It's a very sweet-looking little sketch, isn't it?

0:46:410:46:44

It's charming.

0:46:440:46:45

So, in terms of the provenance of this painting then,

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we're doing pretty well, aren't we?

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I mean, if we're tracing it from Degas to Goupil, Degas's dealer, to your great-grandfather...

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Down through the family, to your grandmother,

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to your father who remembers this painting being sold,

0:47:020:47:05

we then pick up the trail at Knoedler's,

0:47:050:47:07

the dealers, where we have the document saying it was sold to the Rice family.

0:47:070:47:12

I mean, that is an unbroken line of provenance.

0:47:140:47:18

-Yes.

-Doesn't get much better than that, does it?

0:47:180:47:21

I mean it's the sort of evidence that would convince a jury,

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but will it convince the Catalogue Raisonne writer?

0:47:240:47:27

Hilary's story is compelling

0:47:290:47:31

but Bendor might just have found the hard evidence

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we need to back it up. A separate entry in the Goupil Stock Books

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that proves Emil Heilbuth did buy two virtually identical Degas dancers.

0:47:380:47:44

I've found a little nugget of provenance which I think is going to help our cause.

0:47:440:47:49

It turns out that the picture in Hamburg, which we know belonged to Heilbuth,

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has its own provenance going all the way back to Degas in 1889.

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So, there's no question of the provenance of Patrick's picture

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being muddled up with the picture in Hamburg.

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In fact, the Hamburg picture, ironically,

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could actually help us prove Patrick's,

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because it could easily be some sort of variance,

0:48:100:48:12

some sort of first idea, for the Hamburg painting.

0:48:120:48:16

I mean, we sell versions of things all the time.

0:48:160:48:18

I mean, Henry VIIIs and Nelsons, coming out of our ears.

0:48:180:48:22

Patrick's painting could be a study for the other one,

0:48:220:48:25

I mean artists did this, we know that Degas did this

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and added to which, they're both on almost identical panels.

0:48:270:48:31

Well, I've done some research into the label

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which you found on the back of the panel of the picture in Hamburg

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and it comes from a firm of artists' suppliers called Rey & Perrot

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and their headquarters were just round the corner from Degas's studio.

0:48:430:48:46

Annoyingly, we haven't got that stamp on the back of Patrick's picture,

0:48:460:48:50

but I have had Patrick's picture X-rayed

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and it shows at the very least that it was prepared with a base layer

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or a ground layer of lead white paint, which is just how people

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like Rey & Perrot used to prepare the panels they sold to artists in Paris.

0:49:010:49:06

OK, so both paintings are on the same professionally prepared

0:49:060:49:12

19th century artists' supplier panel.

0:49:120:49:16

Which is circumstantial at best really,

0:49:160:49:18

but then if we add in the pigment analysis that you did

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and the provenance, does this mean we are now ready to submit

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Patrick's painting to the people who write the Catalogue Raisonne then?

0:49:260:49:29

Nearly, but not quite.

0:49:290:49:31

There's a woman I would love to show this to - Anthea Callen.

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She's seen as an oracle on this whole subject of Impressionism.

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If we can get her blessing for this picture

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I'd feel so much more comfortable taking it out to France.

0:49:440:49:47

Getting an audience with Dr Anthea Callen hasn't been easy.

0:49:510:49:55

She divides her time between Britain, France and Australia

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and her expertise as an authenticator is always in demand.

0:49:590:50:04

She's reviewed the results of our forensic tests on the pigments

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and the panel but will she buy into our theories about the signature

0:50:090:50:14

and the face of the dancer?

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She agreed to meet us at the Courtauld Institute in London

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to offer her opinion.

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Anthea, hello. What do you make of our little painting?

0:50:260:50:32

It's an interesting problem. It's an interesting problem.

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There are all sorts of things that are good about it

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but I think there are definitely some serious queries as well.

0:50:380:50:42

So, you've seen the tests now we've had done,

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the chemical analysis of the pigments,

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and they all seem to suggest that they're late 19th century

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or were certainly used at that date, now how do you respond to that?

0:50:510:50:54

I think the pigments are very characteristic,

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both of the period and of Degas.

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What you find a good deal of in the results is the earth colours.

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Like red iron oxide, or yellow ochre for example,

0:51:060:51:10

which aren't characteristic of most of the Impressionist painters' palettes,

0:51:100:51:16

but nevertheless were regularly used by Degas, so that's all good.

0:51:160:51:21

What about the signature, how does that look to you?

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Because that has been raised as an issue in the past.

0:51:230:51:26

Yes, the signature goes very woolly after the D.

0:51:260:51:32

The D I can accept but between the D and the S it goes rather sort of blurred and woolly.

0:51:320:51:40

I mean, the signature did keep changing, though.

0:51:400:51:42

Oh, absolutely, yes, absolutely. It's possible but it's...

0:51:420:51:48

Give me something which you think is really against,

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because your expression suggests that you stand both sides of the line.

0:51:510:51:54

Well, I would be concerned both about the...

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in a sense, the draughtsmanship, the construction of it.

0:51:580:52:03

For example, in the heads of the double basses, for me the drawing is not quite right.

0:52:030:52:10

He hasn't fully articulated the forms of those bass heads

0:52:100:52:16

which he does in other work, so he clearly knows the instruments really well.

0:52:160:52:21

One of the least convincing elements is actually the face.

0:52:210:52:27

It's almost too cute, too pretty.

0:52:270:52:29

I have to say I love what I'm hearing in a way

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because this is connoisseurship in action.

0:52:320:52:34

Sure, but with the greatest respect to you, Anthea,

0:52:340:52:37

obviously connoisseurship is an opinion and there will be several opinions.

0:52:370:52:40

-Of course, but some people are more informed than others.

-Absolutely!

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With Anthea sharing some of the same concerns as the Degas expert

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who examined Patrick's painting in 2009,

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the idea that someone else had a hand in the work still can't be ruled out.

0:52:520:52:57

Have you ever seen other Degas in inverted commas,

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that look like this?

0:53:010:53:03

No, I haven't actually, I haven't.

0:53:050:53:07

So, I mean if it is a fake it's a very good one.

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Whoever has done this knows what they're doing.

0:53:100:53:14

-So, either Degas, or a master of crime.

-Exactly.

0:53:140:53:18

This is, I think, on a knife edge.

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With one of the world's leading Impressionist experts finding

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it too close to call, are Patrick and Jonathan still happy for us

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to submit the painting to the Degas Catalogue Raisonne in Paris

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for final judgement?

0:53:340:53:36

Given that we have this slightly double-edged response from Anthea,

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are you prepared now for us to go forward?

0:53:430:53:46

Oh, definitely yes and I think on balance it's good news

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and we have to just accept what happens at the next stage.

0:53:520:53:55

The case we've built up makes it a far easier judgement

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to say that it is by Degas than it's not.

0:54:000:54:03

The Blue Dancer is making the most important journey of her life.

0:54:040:54:09

All we can do is wait.

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The fate of the painting now lies in the hands of Galerie Brame and Lorenceau,

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the Parisian firm who control the Catalogue Raisonne.

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They have the sole right to rule on the authenticity of Degas's work,

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and in the art world, new and previously unknown Impressionist paintings are a rare discovery.

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But after more than a month of intense scrutiny,

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the Blue Dancer is back in England and a letter has arrived from Paris.

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Depending on what's in this letter

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Patrick's painting is either worth a few hundred pounds or a few hundred thousand pounds.

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-Are you ready?

-Mm-hm.

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Oh, my God, I'm trembling slightly.

0:55:040:55:06

"Brame and Lorenceau.

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"Nous avons le plaisir... We have the pleasure to confirm to you

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"That the painting described below, which you have submitted

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"For our appreciation is an authentic Degas."

0:55:200:55:23

-Oh, my God!

-That's fantastic.

-Oh, my goodness!

0:55:230:55:27

We've done it, we've done it!

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That's the shortest, sweetest, most fantastic letter I've ever read.

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Oh, my gosh. Oh, I just can't believe that. I was convinced...

0:55:320:55:35

-So was I.

-When I woke up this morning that...

-Ah, ye of little faith.

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Yeah, this was not going to be. Oh, my God!

0:55:380:55:41

And have you noticed it's already begun to change.

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THEY LAUGH

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It's shining.

0:55:460:55:47

Patrick and Jonathan are going to be here any minute,

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and I can't wait to tell them.

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After more than 60 years of uncertainty,

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Patrick and Jonathan are about to get the proof they've dreamed of.

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Hi there, nice to see you both.

0:56:050:56:07

The results are in here.

0:56:080:56:10

How are you feeling?

0:56:120:56:14

Well, I think we both feel absolutely on the edge,

0:56:140:56:18

because we know how tricky the whole business is.

0:56:180:56:21

We think it's unlikely that it got through.

0:56:210:56:24

Well, brace yourselves.

0:56:240:56:26

"We have the pleasure to inform you that the painting described below

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"That you have submitted for our appreciation

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"Is an authentic work by Edgar Degas."

0:56:330:56:38

That's absolutely fantastic. That is, thank you.

0:56:380:56:42

-Isn't that great? Are you shocked?

-Congratulations.

0:56:420:56:45

Thank you so much.

0:56:450:56:48

-It's congratulations to you actually, or everyone here.

-Here is your Degas.

-Brilliant.

0:56:480:56:52

-You're completely shocked.

-No I am, I am really shocked.

0:56:520:56:55

I mean, I think it's a real kind of lesson in not giving up

0:56:550:56:57

because I really didn't think it was possible.

0:56:570:57:02

With this letter, the line at the bottom here says

0:57:040:57:07

"This painting will be reproduced in the second supplement

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"Of the Catalogue Raisonne of the work of Degas."

0:57:100:57:14

Now that is the seal of approval that you need.

0:57:140:57:18

If you're going to sell this painting, that's what you need, you've got it.

0:57:180:57:22

I mean, what would that be worth now?

0:57:220:57:24

Well, I can see, you know, for a pocket-sized Degas

0:57:240:57:26

there would a lot of collectors out there who would love this.

0:57:260:57:29

A ballet image by the great name, I could see it being worth half a million if not more,

0:57:290:57:35

half a million pounds if not more.

0:57:350:57:36

Yes, yes. Obviously with my children the best thing would be that it were sold

0:57:360:57:42

-and it would help with their mortgages and everything else.

-Do you feel your dad should do that?

0:57:420:57:46

-I'm not going to tell him not to.

-That was the arrangement.

0:57:460:57:49

I think this calls for some champagne, I don't know about you.

0:57:490:57:52

Most definitely.

0:57:520:57:54

Cheers.

0:57:550:57:57

To the christening of the new Degas.

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I'm so thrilled for them.

0:58:050:58:07

You know, to think that one letter has made all the difference.

0:58:070:58:11

And you know so often in this world that I occupy,

0:58:110:58:16

I've seen people's dreams crushed,

0:58:160:58:18

but equally on occasions I've seen lives transformed.

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And do you know,

0:58:230:58:25

I'm already looking forward to the next painting that turns up.

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