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The art world - where paintings change hands for fortunes. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:08 | |
Selling at 95 million. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
But for every known masterpiece, there may be another waiting to be discovered. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
-Hello. -Fiona. Nice to meet you. Oh, my word! | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
They're known as sleepers. International art dealer | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
Philip Mould hunts them down. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:23 | |
In the past we looked AT pictures. Now, almost, you can look THROUGH them. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:28 | |
Using cutting-edge science and investigative research, we've teamed | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
up to find long-lost works by the great masters. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
Wow! | 0:00:37 | 0:00:38 | |
The problem is, not every painting is quite what it seems. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
-When these paintings were thought to be genuine, how much were they worth? -Millions. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
It's a journey that can end in joy... | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
Isn't that great! | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
..or bitter disappointment. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
I can't get my head round it, I really can't. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
In this episode, | 0:00:58 | 0:00:59 | |
we meet a family from Leeds who seized the chance to invest | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
in a painting that could be by a master of modern art - Marc Chagall. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
What did you pay for it? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
I paid about £100,000 for it. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:10 | |
Gosh. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
But it comes with a warning. It's never been officially | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
accepted as a genuine work. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
Our quest to prove that it's authentic plunges us into Chagall's Russian past | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
and the most shadowy corners of the art market. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
How many fakes would you say are out there in the market? | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
90%. Actually, I think it's more than that. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
Is this picture the bargain of a lifetime... | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
If it's by Chagall, well, that could turn out to be rather cheap. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
..or a very expensive gamble on the notorious Russian art market? | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
-Feeling confident? -We've come this far. We're going to go to the bitter end. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
In the sleepy village of Tudeley in Kent, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
there is a little church with rather a special feature. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
-Hi there. -Hi. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:08 | |
A complete set of stained glass windows | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
designed by one of the 20th century's greatest artists, Marc Chagall. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
-Wow. -It's like an ocean of colours, isn't it? | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
Picasso famously says that when Matisse dies, Chagall will be | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
the only one left who truly understands colour | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
and I have to say, it's quite extraordinary to encounter | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
such an explosion of modern design in a country Kent church. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:44 | |
These memorial windows were commissioned by a local family | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
but Chagall's works, from stained glass and murals | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
to oil paintings and watercolours, are more usually found | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
in the world's great opera houses, cathedrals and art galleries. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
A pioneer of modern art, Chagall spent a large part of his life in France. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
His pictures have a childlike dream quality and a playful | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
sense of the surreal, like this airborne depiction of his beloved wife Bella. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:13 | |
His work is almost always inspired by memories of his Jewish upbringing | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
in Russia, where he was born in 1887. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
So, a Russian Jew creating a window in an Anglican church | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
in the Garden of England. It's incredible...contrast, isn't it? | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
And actually, I've read about this window, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
though I've never seen it before, and it was commissioned because | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
the daughter of a very wealthy local family, she died age 21 - | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
tragically, she drowned - and that's her. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
See that floating in a swell of blue there? | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
And her mother grieving up on the left. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
And then she is climbing up the ladder to Christ, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
heavenwards, presumably, and that's the story there. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:57 | |
I mean, despite its modernity, it's a genuinely affecting image, isn't it? | 0:03:57 | 0:04:03 | |
He was a really visionary artist. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
Chagall's colourful, emotional works are highly prized in the art market | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
and we've received an intriguing e-mail from an English family in Leeds. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
-Have a look at this. -Hang on. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
"Hi, I believe I have a Chagall in my possession. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
"From my research, it is known as | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
"the Nude, 1909-1910, private collection, Moscow. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
"Please see attached picture of the painting." Which is that, I presume, is it? | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
"Would your programme be interested in pursuing the authentication of this work by a popular artist? | 0:04:32 | 0:04:37 | |
"Kind regards, Frazer Lang." | 0:04:37 | 0:04:38 | |
I mean, as usual it's very difficult to tell just from a photograph | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
but it's sort of got the appearance of a Chagall. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
These lovely blues as well - look. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
And there'd be a huge amount to play for. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
I mean, last year, I think, a Chagall made 13 million at auction | 0:04:50 | 0:04:55 | |
in New York. If we could get this through, that would be thrilling. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
That WOULD be something. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:01 | |
We're keen to find out more about the possible Chagall picture | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
so Philip and I have travelled to the suburbs of Leeds to meet | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
property developer Martin Lang, his wife, Jackie, and son, Frazer. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
-Hi, there. -Hello, there. -Pleased to meet you. -We've come to see your Chagall. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
Please come in. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
Could they really have a major piece of modern art | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
hanging in their hallway? | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
I saw a documentary on Chagall, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
and I realised we've got one of those hanging on the wall. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
I looked in Dad's paperwork | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
and I realised we haven't got a provenance on it, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
so I thought, "I'll phone Fake Or Fortune up. I'm sure they can help out!" | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
Well, at first glance from where I'm standing, it looks like a Chagall, doesn't it? | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
And you can't miss the boldness of that signature, can you - Chagall! | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
And there's all sorts of symbolism going on in there with | 0:05:57 | 0:06:02 | |
the faces on the left and the candelabra. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
Jackie, what do you make of it? | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
Your eyes go straight to the picture and you see this lady | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
but then as you look deeper into it, there's lots going on. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
It's almost like a mystery. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
And the way it all floats around in that dreamlike, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
discombobulated way. I mean, that's Chagall, and the colours as well. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
I mean, those very strident, quite almost shocking colours. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:28 | |
The picture is one of several the family bought in the early '90s | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
when they were putting the finishing touches on the decoration of their new home. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
Martin was interested in art that had begun to | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
emerge from Russia after the fall of Communism | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
and his interior designer knew how to get hold of it. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
We had an interior designer and she had a daughter, Debbie Hatchwell, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
a fine art consultant. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
And Debbie led us into Russian art. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
She explained to me what was happening with perestroika, | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
that there was an opportunity to get hold of new art coming to the west from Russia | 0:07:01 | 0:07:07 | |
that basically has never been on the market before - never been shown before. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
-Under the Communist regime. -That's right. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:12 | |
It was all pent up. All hidden away. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
I got a phone call from Debbie and she said, "Martin, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
"would you be interested in a Chagall?" | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
That knocked me back a bit. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
As it would! | 0:07:22 | 0:07:23 | |
Yeah, very much. And I said to her, I said, "Bring it along, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
"let's have a look at it," and I looked at it and I thought, wow! | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
She said don't get too excited - it hasn't got a provenance at this stage that has been verified. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:38 | |
Although Debbie Hatchwell had made clear that there was no proof that it was authentic, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
it did have a compelling piece of evidence in its favour. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
There's a book by a gentlemen called Kamensky, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
who wrote about this, who was a friend of Chagall. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
THAT Chagall painting was in this book by Kamensky? | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
Yes, and also the interesting thing to see is that | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
if you look very closely you'll notice there's a crease. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
That's in the painting and if you look at the book by Kamensky, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
the same crease is in that book. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
Actually, from time to time, I find damage on an old picture | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
can be rather reassuring. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
What did you pay for it? | 0:08:11 | 0:08:12 | |
I paid about £100,000 for it. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
-Gosh. -That is a lot, if it's a fake. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
I mean, it's worth a fraction of that. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:20 | |
But, of course, if it's by Chagall, well, that could turn out to | 0:08:20 | 0:08:25 | |
be rather cheap cos it might be worth three, four, five times that. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
And if it's fake, how will you feel about it? | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
We take it...we take it...we take it as it is. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
But hang on - it's a big loss! | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
-I'll be singing on the streets of London! -Yes. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
No, I think...we're prepared to take that risk. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
You take a risk in life on everything you do. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
After meeting the Lang family, Philip and I head back to London on | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
the train. It's a chance to compare notes on what we've seen and heard. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
So what do you think? | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
I...you know, I really like Martin and I really like the family | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
and I want to make it work for them | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
but there's a few issues with this picture. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
I mean, I'm not quite sure about the age of the picture, I'm not | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
a Chagall specialist, but it needs to be, what, 100 years or more old. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:15 | |
If I spent that kind of money on a painting with next to no provenance, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
it would keep me awake at night, but then, you know, I love his style! | 0:09:19 | 0:09:24 | |
Risk taker. Seize the day. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
But then, you know, the Russian art market is...well, it's not too much of an exaggeration | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
to say it is awash with fakes - and there was a big London | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
auction house not very long ago got sued for £2 million, I think it was, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
because they sold a Russian painting that turned out to be a fake. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
If we're going to progress this picture, we've got to find out as much as we can about its history. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
We need to get our head of research on the case, Dr Bendor Grosvenor. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
First port of call - the Courtauld Institute Library, a vast collection | 0:09:55 | 0:10:00 | |
of art-related documents, including many books on Marc Chagall. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
I've got here a copy of the book that Martin said his picture is in, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
and it's published in 1989, so it's three years before he bought it. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
It's called Chagall - The Russian Years, and it's by a chap called | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
Aleksandr Kamensky, who's a pretty eminent Soviet art critic and art historian. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:20 | |
In fact, there's rather a nice little photo here of Chagall | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
with Kamensky and apparently they were quite close - so on the surface | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
it would seem that this Kamensky book is a very good authority. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
And here on page 28 is Martin's picture. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:38 | |
And we can even see the crease that is still visible in Martin's painting today. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:44 | |
So it's definitely one and the same thing. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
"Nude, 1909-10, private collection, Moscow." | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
So that would appear to be pretty conclusive. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
So it would be really nice to know how this picture | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
got into Kamensky's very respected book. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
Someone must have given him a photograph, or perhaps he even saw it. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
And Kamensky was convinced we were dealing with a genuine Chagall. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
Chagall's Russian years spanned some of the most dramatic | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
events of the early 20th century, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
from the First World War to the Russian Revolution. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
He learned his craft in his hometown of Vitebsk in Russia, depicted | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
here with the figure of a beggar from Jewish folklore floating above | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
the rooftops, but I'm intrigued by the years he spent in Paris | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
between 1910 and 1914, when he created a rather familiar-looking picture. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
I've also got an exhibition catalogue of Chagall's works | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
from an exhibition in Germany in 1921 in Potsdam | 0:11:39 | 0:11:45 | |
and that includes this very similar watercolour of a reclining nude. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:52 | |
Painted in 1911, its stark lines and geometric patterns reveal the | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
influence of the Cubist artists that Chagall was rubbing shoulders with. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
But how does it relate to Martin's picture? | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
The one we're dealing with here in the exhibition in Germany is totally genuine. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
It's got a provenance that goes all the way back. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
We can be certain about this being by Chagall. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
So is Martin's picture a preparatory study, is it a second version, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
did Chagall do two versions of the same subject? | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
Or is it something that came after the event? | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
Is it a copy of this genuine work? | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
Bendor's been busy, and we're all meeting up in Philip's gallery. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
Martin has been digging up all the paperwork relating to his painting, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
and he's got one rather interesting letter - it's from Debbie Hatchwell, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
who was the fine art agent who brokered the sale of the painting | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
in the first place - and I quite like the look of this paragraph here. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
"This painting has been in the hands of a private collector | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
"for the last 20 years. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
"Before this, it was owned by a lady dancer called Kavarska..." Kavarska! | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
"..who was a very good friend of Chagall's first wife in Russia." | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
Chagall's first wife was called Bella Rosenfeld - I've got | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
rather a nice photograph of him painting her here. They were married | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
in 1915 and she came from Vitebsk, which was Chagall's home town. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
This Kavarska sounds interesting, though, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
because if that is true, she was the first owner | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
of the painting and that's a really good lead in terms of provenance. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
Kavarska gets another mention in this letter a bit further on here. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
"This painting was given to Kavarska before the Revolution | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
"and before Chagall emigrated to the West." | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
That's actually very helpful, isn't it? | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
Because we know the painting is purported to have been | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
done 1909-1910 and this gives us a provenance to back it up. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:45 | |
It was owned prior to 1917, the date of the Revolution. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
We've been in touch with this Debbie Hatchwell | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
and she has said that the painting originally | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
came from a Russian art dealer, a guy called Alexander Shlepyanov, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
who was working in London for an auction house called Phillips. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
Ah, Phillips, I remember it well. Together with the two main | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
auction houses, Sotheby's and Christie's, they were major | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
players until they were taken over by Bonhams in 2001. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
The only auctioneers, I gather, who actually managed to hold | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
a sale within Buckingham Palace. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
But this is reassuring, because that auction house had status. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
Someone who worked for them thus had it as well | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
and it lends a bit more credence to the attribution. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
Well, let's take stock for a minute. The painting is owned my Martin Lang at present. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
He bought it from the art consultant Debbie Hatchwell. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
SHE got the painting from this Russian Alexander Shlepyanov, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
who worked for Phillips at the time. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
He obtained the painting from a private collector, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
we don't know who, in Moscow. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
Before that, we think it was owned by this Russian dancer, Kavarska, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
and presumably before that, if all this is true, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
it was in the hands of Chagall himself. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
If we can make all this add up, then we can take the picture to | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
the only people who can authenticate a Chagall painting - the Chagall Committee, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
which is run in Paris by the artist's two granddaughters. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
But as we know, those academic committees are no pushover. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
And we've also got this other problem with this picture. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
It comes from a dark period in Russian history. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
Anything so associated with the Russian art world, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
I have to say, does come with a health warning. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
But what I want to do more than anything else is have a good look at those pigments, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
work out what the paint is. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
What I'd like to do is dig a bit more into the painting's history and see what I can find there. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
The hunt for evidence starts in the former Russian Republic of Belarus, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
where Chagall was born and raised at the turn of the 20th century. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
I've brought Martin here in search of information about his picture | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
and how it might fit into the story of the artist's life. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
One of the most important leads we can follow up lies in the very | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
title of Martin's painting - | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
Nude, 1909-10. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
That very specific set of dates places the picture at a key moment | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
in Chagall's life, when he left art school in St Petersburg | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
and returned to his hometown of Vitebsk. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
We've joined up with local journalist Ilya Kuzniatsou. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
He's brought us to the outskirts of town | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
for a glimpse of the world Chagall grew up in. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
So, we've stopped here on the outskirts of Vitebsk | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
because I wanted to show you the houses. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
Um, this is the shape of houses they would have in Vitebsk in the end of 19th century. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:38 | |
Back then it was mainly a Jewish town. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
More than half of the people were Jewish. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
And they were traders. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
Yes, because Chagall's father was in the herring trade, wasn't he? | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
-Right. -He was a labourer. -Yes. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
And Chagall talked about his father coming home with his clothes | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
glistening with herring brine, which is quite an image. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
And then his mother ran a grocery shop. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
-Right. -I mean, this, I imagine, is a bit more picturesque | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
than the poor side of town that Chagall lived in | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
with all the houses crowded together, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
everyone living on top of each other. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
In fact he described his paintings...he said, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
every painting is the spirit and reflection of Vitebsk. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
The thriving Jewish community | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
Chagall depicted in I And The Village | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
was almost was almost completely destroyed in the Second World War. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
But you can easily picture the mournful fiddlers | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
and toiling peasants he drew inspiration from | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
and immortalised in works such as The Green Donkey. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
Could Martin's picture be another of Chagall's scenes of Vitebsk? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:42 | |
If you look at the houses and the roofs... | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
Now, look at this place in particular, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
and then look at his picture here. Let's turn it upside down. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
The roofs, there. And the shapes of those roofs. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
-You get a real sense of that, don't you? What d'you think? -Very much. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
I do as well. It's... The colours stand out as well. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
You look at the colours as we walk past these properties. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
-These blues. -They're vibrant. Just vibrant colours. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
And these churches here are very much typical of the area. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
Back then in Vitebsk, there was, I think, 30 Orthodox churches, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:16 | |
and 60 synagogues. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:17 | |
So this looks like one of the Orthodox churches, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
maybe Uspensky Cathedral. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
Because they have these kind of shapes in the domes and architecture. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
And these are what Chagall talks about | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
when he was in his attic room that he shared with his brother | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
-and he would look out of the window... -Yes, yes. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
..and he would see the stars and the roofs and the fences and the beams and the courtyards, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
and he would wonder what was going on in the world within. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
Does this make a bit more sense to you? | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
-It does. -Seeing it here in situ? -Oh, very much. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
Before I came here, I wouldn't have got the picture in my mind | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
with how he lived his life. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
But since I came here, I've looked around, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
I've seen the properties, I've seen the people themselves, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
everything's coming together. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
Martin, I've brought along the letter that you were given | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
when you bought this painting, which talks about the provenance of it. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
And it mentions in particular that it was owned by a lady dancer called Kavarska... | 0:19:09 | 0:19:15 | |
-That's right. -..who was a good friend of Chagall's first wife. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
Ilya, you've been doing a bit of work into it, into Kavarska. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
What have you found out? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
In this spelling, this doesn't seem right. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
It could be slightly different. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
It could be misspelt. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
Because if it was "Kovarskaya", then it sounds more or less... | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
-"Kovarskaya." -Kovarskaya. It sounds more or less correct. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
-So we need to cast our net a bit wider, Martin. -I think so. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
-Because in Belarus, it's clearly not a name that belongs here. -Yes. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
At the end of our day in Vitebsk, Martin and I head for a cafe to take stock. | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
I've been researching Chagall's life | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
and I've got a theory about the possible identity of the mysterious nude. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:16 | |
I've been having a little think about who this woman could be, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
if this is by Chagall. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:22 | |
Now, 1909-1910, when Chagall was here in Vitebsk, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
he had girlfriend called Thea Brachmann. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
Her house was full of congeniality and music and laughter. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:35 | |
Now, he painted her nude a number of times. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
I guess, well, it's an artistic tradition but also | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
if you're a young man and you can get away with it, I'm sure you would! | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
-Yes! -So you've got Chagall, Red Nude, 1909. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
And this is Thea Brachmann here and she's... | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
she's the colour of borscht, isn't she? | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
A nice bit of beetroot soup! | 0:20:52 | 0:20:53 | |
And she's always described, Thea Brachmann, as broad-shouldered and big-boned. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
She is there. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
She is there. Now it's possible that this could be her. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
Since the dates of Martin's picture coincide with Chagall's relationship | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
with Thea Brachmann - could this be a lost portrait of her? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
While Fiona and Martin spend more time exploring Vitebsk, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
his son Frazer and I are on our way to the University College, London, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
to meet Dr Libby Sheldon, an art historian | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
who specialises in the forensic analysis of fine art. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
She's going to examine our possible Chagall to see how it was created. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
-Hi. This is Frazer. -Hello. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
Ah, and here is the picture. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
OK, Libby, so, what do you make of it? | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
It seems to me fairly confident and the colours are rather beautiful, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:56 | |
and rather well harmonised. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
Whoever put this together has made changes of mind | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
about what colour to use. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
Looking at it more closely under the microscope, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
I can see that there are quite a lot of differences in texture, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
and that's quite a good thing. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
Around the left-hand edge there's a red, bright red underneath | 0:22:15 | 0:22:21 | |
-one of the greens, so...entirely covered... -That's fascinating. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
..so that that's not really the sort of thing you might expect of a copyist or a pasticher. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:32 | |
OK. So nothing stands out that could be an obvious problem. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
No, no, and there's a confidence about it that's rather charming. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
Um, so if it is wrong, then it's a very clever, um...later pastiche. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:49 | |
Libby's initial impressions are encouraging | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
but I'm keen to know more about the medium - the paint itself. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
It looks like gouache, a kind of watercolour thickened with | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
gum arabic that Chagall frequently used - but is it? | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
What is this - what is it made from? | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
My impression of it is that it's a gouache, which is water soluble. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
OK, so it might be a watercolour but not watercolour that we're | 0:23:11 | 0:23:16 | |
used to - the transparent look - but a more pasty version of it. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
Exactly. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:22 | |
On the surface, Martin's picture looks to have been painted | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
with the same materials Chagall used in other works of this period | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
but Libby wants to test a sample to check that it's old enough to | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
have been done between 1909 and 1910. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
OK, you've got a lot of bottles there. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
What's the first test you're going to do? | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
The first test we could do is for acrylic, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
because that's critical in terms of date. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
And if it is an acrylic paint? | 0:23:47 | 0:23:48 | |
Then that would be wrong, because it would be later, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
because such acrylic paints were only manufactured after the Second World War. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
-I see. -So it would be a fake. -Yes. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
If acrylic paint IS present, it will dissolve when rubbed | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
with a solvent called xylene - and we'll see paint on the swab. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
OK, Frazer, so we really don't want this to dissolve. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
Right, so I'll just do a test on the very edge | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
at this damaged corner. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
And now I'm just rolling it very gently on the edge of the painting | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
so that I can see whether the paint is being taken up by this solvent. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:31 | |
And it isn't. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
And I don't know if you can see that there's no pigment on there. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
It's having no effect at the moment. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
Yeah. I mean, we're looking anxiously at your swab. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
It's still white, it hasn't turned blue - which is presumably | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
what would happen if it was acrylic. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
Er, yes. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
The absence of acrylic is a relief. Next, a swab with saliva. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
It's an art-world trick to confirm the presence of watercolour | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
without dissolving and spreading the paint, but it also reveals | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
tiny particles of blue pigment that Libby is concerned about. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
Now, the problem is that the blue | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
looks a very stainy sort of blue. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
Sorry - stainy blue? | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
It doesn't have individual particles, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
so it's either Prussian Blue, which would be fine for this period, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:27 | |
or it's Phthalocyanine Blue, which is a new blue that came in in the 1930s. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:34 | |
Which we so don't want it to be. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
No, so we'd have to do further tests on that to find out what it was. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:43 | |
So far, so good. I mean, we've established that it's painted | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
in gouache, we've established that it's painted | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
in layers, so whoever the artist is, is thinking carefully how to do it. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:57 | |
But there are pigments which if they prove to be wrong, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
if they prove to be later than they should be, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
it would shoot the Chagall attribution out of the sky. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
Back in Belarus, Martin and I have arrived in the capital, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
Minsk, for our return flight, but journalist Ilya has turned up | 0:26:14 | 0:26:19 | |
an old article he felt he had to share with us before we leave. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
I was doing my research and the first thing that popped out, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
a story in 2006. There's an English version of it. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:31 | |
-You might be interested. -Pravda, the old Soviet news agency, there's a name to conjure with. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
"Marc Chagall's painting auctioned for 650,000 is a fake." | 0:26:36 | 0:26:42 | |
So, this is back in 2005. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
"A scandal broke out in the capital of Belarus following the sale | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
"of a previously unknown painting by Marc Chagall at auction in Minsk. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
"The painting was purchased for 650,000 by an individual | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
"who remained anonymous. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
"The painting had been kept in Russia for the last 80 years." | 0:26:59 | 0:27:04 | |
How long has your painting been kept in Russia for? | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
I would say the same. 80 years. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
About 80 years. "The auction house representatives are reluctant to give away | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
"any details as to the painting's previous owner. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
"They just say the painting is an heirloom. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
"They claim the authenticity of the painting was verified by a private expert. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
"It was allegedly painted by Marc Chagall | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
"while he was in the town of Vitebsk, sometime during 1915 and 1920. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:29 | |
"Although Marc Chagall's paintings are not forged as frequently | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
"as other famous Russian artists, art crooks are no stranger to his works." | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
It's a worry, isn't it, when you see that? | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
Only for the faint-hearted. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
I like your style! | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
Nothing's going to deter you, is it? | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
No. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
We've come this far, we're going to go to the bitter end. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
When you're in Vitebsk, it's easy to get caught up | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
in the romance of Marc Chagall's life story. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
The atmosphere of the town, the streets in which he lived, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
and just begin perhaps to imagine the story of Martin's painting. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
I know as well as anybody that Chagalls are faked many times over, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
but that report is a reality check. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
It certainly gives you pause for thought. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
I mean, hopefully, that's where the similarities end. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
Back in Philip's gallery, we all meet up to take stock. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:31 | |
Looking at Martin's picture in Vitebsk, it was very interesting, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
it all began to make a lot more sense, but we drew a complete | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
blank with the dancer, Kavarska, didn't get anywhere with her. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
Well, I've been having a look at the other end of the evidence trail, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
trying to find out more about this Russian art dealer | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
who's supposed to have had Martin's painting before he bought it, Alexander Shlepyanov. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:51 | |
Now, I've got some video footage of him here which was shot quite recently in April 2012. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:56 | |
It's a programme about Russian expatriates living in London, called Moscow On Thames. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
Anyway, here he is talking about his passion for Russian art | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
and collecting Russian art. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
Schlepyanov still lives in London, but he can't talk to us | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
about Martin's picture because he's been rather unwell | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
but he does remember something about a dancer called Kovarskaya. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
That's interesting, because Kavarska doesn't appear to be | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
a genuine name in Belarus according to our researcher, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
but Kovarskaya is a genuine Russian name, he thought. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:27 | |
So did you get anywhere with trying to find out | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
-if anyone actually has that name? -We have a researcher in Russia who's looking into both | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
variants of Kovarskaya and Kavarska as the name of a dancer, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
and so far we've got nothing. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
-So you've drawn a blank? -Drawn a blank. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
Hmm, I wonder if that's a bit ominous. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
Because when I was in Belarus I came across this article in Pravda | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
and that was a very expensive fake and its provenance was | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
scarily similar to that of Martin's painting. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
I agree with you but let's not forget the scientific tests | 0:29:54 | 0:29:59 | |
have not disproved it yet, in fact there's still hope | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
that they could prove positive. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
But we are definitely moving into darker, less charted waters, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
and there are experts out there who I think might be able to help us. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
While Martin's picture awaits further tests, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
I've arranged to meet a London art dealer | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
who specialises in the Russian market, James Butterwick. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
I first went to the Soviet Union in 1985. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
He was buying art from Russia at the time Martin's picture | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
came on the market, but after 30 years in the business | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
he's learned to be exceedingly cautious. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
When it comes to Russian modern art, or avant-garde art, as it's sometimes called, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:41 | |
how many fakes are there out in the market compared to genuine works of art, would you say? | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
In a week's work, I will be sent quite a lot of pictures | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
for my expert opinion | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
and I would say that during a month, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
I will be sent maybe 30-35, you know, photographs, of which, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:04 | |
34.5 are worthless. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
After the fall of Communism, art from Russia flooded onto | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
the market, with collectors snapping up works by famous | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
names like Chagall and artists previously unknown in the West. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
As demand grew and prices rose, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
forgers infiltrated the market on an unprecedented scale. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
How come there are so many out there and so many people are taken in? | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
They are convinced that they can buy a picture for half a million pounds | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
and then sell it tomorrow for 20. They can't. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
It just doesn't happen, so that's number one - greed. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
Secondly, people want to believe it's genuine, and they | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
sort of convince themselves in every way, shape or form that it is genuine, without taking | 0:31:43 | 0:31:49 | |
a huge step back and analysing why it's genuine. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
We're looking at a painting that purports to be by Chagall. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
And it comes with some kind of provenance. What would sound | 0:31:57 | 0:32:03 | |
alarm bells for you? | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
First of all, if it had been purported to have been | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
a gift from Chagall to somebody, for example, in Vitebsk. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
It's awfully difficult to prove that. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
What if the painting had appeared in a book by a Russian art historian? | 0:32:16 | 0:32:21 | |
This is an extremely moot point, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
because the incidences of works by Russian painters appearing | 0:32:24 | 0:32:30 | |
in books that are purported to be genuine are, regrettably, legion. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:36 | |
-And these works then turn out to be fake? -Oh, yes. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
They were faked before they were even put in the book, it's | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
a really moot point, it's a big, big problem. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
What's going on there? Is that because the art historians | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
don't know, are they complicit in some way? | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
They are complicit sometimes, on other occasions I think | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
they're just simply extremely bad at their jobs. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
How naive would you have been, then, to buy a Russian work of art, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:06 | |
in the early 1990s? | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
A lot of people looked upon Russia and Russia's culture, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
slightly through rose-tinted spectacles, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
because it was glasnost, it was perestroika, it was a time | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
of enormous optimism, so I don't think it's necessarily that naive. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
From the way James describes the quantity of fakes out | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
there in the market, and the difficulties of buying a genuine | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
work, it's clear that if you're even thinking of buying a Russian | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
art work without its full provenance, you might as well just plunge | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
your hand into a tank of piranhas - it's that difficult and it's that risky. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
And even now there's an investigation going on, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
that stretches from Germany to Israel, where there is faking | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
going on on an industrial scale of modern Russian artists. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
James doesn't know about Martin's painting in particular, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
and we've still got a lot of work to do on it | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
and tests to come back, but it does give you a bit of a sinking feeling. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:05 | |
Those words of warning make our quest | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
for evidence in support of Martin's painting more urgent than ever. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
So Bendor is researching the important art collector who | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
helped to arrange the sale. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
I've been trying to find out a little bit more | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
about Alexander Shlepyanov. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
And I've got an article here written in 1989. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
He was quite a famous scriptwriter | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
and film-maker in the Soviet Union and then came to live in London, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
and he brought with him his quite important collection of Russian art, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
and in fact he lent some pictures to the first significant exhibition of | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
Russian art held in London in 1989 at the Barbican. There's one here | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
by an artist called Bogomazov, and the picture is listed as | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
Portrait Of The Artist's Wife from the collection of AI Shlepyanov. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:57 | |
Anyway, I think the most significant thing is that he says in this | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
article that his passion now, as before, is Russian art of the 1910s | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
and 1920s, so this is exactly the period | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
that Martin's painting is supposed to have been painted. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
And then he goes on to say, "There are still many fine pieces to | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
"be had in Britain." So this sounds like it's his area of expertise, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
and I think we need to get in touch with him to find out what else | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
he can tell us about Martin's painting, in particular | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
the name of the private collector who owned it before it came to England. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
I'm also getting in touch with our Russian researcher, | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
Elena, to see if she's found any references to a dancer called | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
Kavarska or Kovarskaya. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
'Zdravstvujte...' | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
Elena? Hello, it's Bendor in London. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
'Oh, hi, how are you?' | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
I'm all right, thank you for all your help. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
I wonder if you had any news about our mysterious dancer? | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
-Thank you so much, Elena. -'Cheery.' -Cheerio, bye. -'Take care, bye.' | 0:36:11 | 0:36:16 | |
I think that's a "nyet" on the dancer, isn't it? | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
While Bendor continues his research, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
I've arrived in America on business, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
and whilst here I've managed to secure a meeting with one of | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
the art world's most infamous characters, a forger called Tony Tetro. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:40 | |
A highly skilled painter in his own right, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
he made a fast buck in the '70s and '80s by faking Rembrandts, Miros | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
and Dalis to order, until he was jailed in the early '90s. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:52 | |
I've come to seek his unique perspective on the work | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
of an artist he faked scores of times in every medium - Chagall. | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
Tony, good to meet you. Great cars. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
You have impeccable taste! | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
You have history with Chagall, and you were at one point in | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
the courts with Chagall, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
and you faked his work, or you created works... | 0:37:17 | 0:37:22 | |
I faked his work. That was over 22 years ago. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:27 | |
1989 - longer - I'm losing track myself. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
So, you then had to get into the mind of Chagall... | 0:37:31 | 0:37:36 | |
To do it properly, yes. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
How do you get the technique right to begin with? | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
How do you go about painting a Chagall? | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
People who know Chagall, even art dealers, they can see | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
there's something wrong when the colours aren't just right. I did a Chagall one time, a gouache, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:53 | |
and the red was wrong, and a guy picked up on it, an art dealer | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
not an expert, and he said, "That red is wrong," and he was right, | 0:37:56 | 0:38:01 | |
and from that point on, I made sure my colours were correct, they have to be correct. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
So, how many works by Chagall that actually you did are out there | 0:38:06 | 0:38:11 | |
in museums and collections? | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
Hundreds, and that's including lithographs and etchings, of course. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:18 | |
So your hand is on all of these works | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
and where do you think they are now - museums...? | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
I have idea and I don't want to know. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
Of the hundreds of fake Chagall's | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
that Tony produced in Los Angeles, few have ever been found. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
So, I have to ask a pressing question about Martin's picture. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
So this purports, and may indeed well be, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
a Chagall of 1909-1910. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
I never did anything in 1910, that old. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
Well, that's a relief. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
You know, I thought maybe I did it when they were telling me about this. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
One of my questions to you was... | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
No, I didn't! | 0:38:57 | 0:38:58 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:38:58 | 0:38:59 | |
You can anticipate my question, can't you? | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
Tell me your thoughts about this. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:03 | |
It lacks some Chagall-ness, and the perimeter lines around the body seem to be | 0:39:03 | 0:39:09 | |
too thick, he would have done them thinner and more sporadic - see they're all connected, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:16 | |
it's one flow. He would have done shorter, jerky movements | 0:39:16 | 0:39:22 | |
The candelabra is nice, this is actually a nice piece. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
He developed his colour sense as time went by. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
In 1910, he didn't really have it. The colours he put together, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
the greens with purples and blues and everything... | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
Here, he hasn't developed it yet, so this could be on par. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
'When Tony was faking Chagall's work, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
'he spent hours practising one key element, the signature. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
'Chagall would change the way he signed his name | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
'depending on the type of work he was up to, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
'so what does Tony make of the signature on Martin's painting?' | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
It's a gouache, it's a gouache signature, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
it's a different medium, so we'd have a different signature. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
The 'A's do not look correct to me, the 'L' Chagall could have | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
done that way, too. I wouldn't be happy with those 'L's. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
Chagall would sometimes do a capital 'A' rather than a letter 'A' or handwritten A. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:16 | |
And, because it's gouache, you can only get it right once? | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
If I were to do this, to do a Chagall gouache, I would sit for hours | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
and hours practising the signature and sometimes I would choke. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:28 | |
What we've just seen has been a real revelation. I mean, we're no nearer | 0:40:28 | 0:40:34 | |
knowing whether Martin's picture is real or fake, but what it has shown, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:39 | |
in a rather worrying way, is just how easy it is to fake a Chagall. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:45 | |
Tony makes it look like karaoke, he stands up there | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
gets into the zone, into the spirit of the artist. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
Now, obviously, he's proficient, knows exactly how to paint and draw, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
but it makes you think. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
When Philip arrives home from America, we get together | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
and head to the Chemistry Department in University College, London. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
It was really fascinating going to LA and meeting Tony Tetro, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
but it was also worrying because this is a man who knows what a fake | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
looks like - he was after all doing them till the late 1980s. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
And he definitely had his doubts about the picture. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
Did he? | 0:41:25 | 0:41:26 | |
Well, I met a chap, James Butterwick, who's an art | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
dealer specialising in Russian art and he claims that 90% | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
of the work out there in the Russian art market is fake. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
90%! | 0:41:36 | 0:41:37 | |
So there is a lot riding on these scientific tests, that's for sure. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
We're meeting with Dr Tracey Chaplin. She's going | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
to analyse Martin's picture with a brilliantly incisive tool | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
that can pinpoint the exact pigments in a painting - a Raman laser microscope. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:57 | |
Martin and Fraser are joining us to witness the results. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
When Libby looked at your picture, she homed in on that | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
incredibly useful colour, blue. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
And she managed to establish that it was likely to be either | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
Prussian Blue, invented in 1704, or Phthalocyanine, which is a slightly | 0:42:12 | 0:42:17 | |
more problematic pigment because it was invented in the 1930s. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:25 | |
Now, if we think about what we know about the history | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
of your painting, you understand from the documentation you were given with your picture | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
that it was painted by Chagall, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
probably in Vitebsk between 1909 and 1910, and then given to this | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
mysterious dancer, Kavarska, before the Russian revolution in 1917, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
so if it is | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
Phthalocyanine Blue, invented in the 1930s, then that's very problematic. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:52 | |
Absolutely. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
So that's what we're not hoping to find. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
-Let's keep our fingers crossed, then. -Let's find out. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
Tracey, you're going to be doing the tests for us, thank you. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
How does this work? | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
We shine a very low-powered laser light onto the surface of the | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
painting, and we look at the light that's scattered back, and that | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
scattering will tell us exactly what material is present in the painting. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
Each pigment produces a unique spectrum of light, | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
a Raman spectrum, that can be plotted on a graph. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
The blue pigments we're testing might look similar to the eye, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:27 | |
but their Raman spectra are strikingly different when displayed on a graph. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
If it's Prussian Blue, we'll see a single sharp peak. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:36 | |
If it's Phthaolcyanine Blue, we'll see many smaller peaks. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
So we definitely don't want the mountain. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
Not really. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
Shall we start? | 0:43:45 | 0:43:46 | |
This is it - a single test that might mean | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
the difference between £500,000 and nothing at all. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:57 | |
Now, what are we seeing there? | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
What we're seeing is a series of very sharp peaks | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
which are indicative... | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
..of Phthalocyanine Blue. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
Ah. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
So that means, doesn't it, that this can only have been | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
painted after Phthalocyanine Blue was invented, effectively, which is the 1930s. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:51 | |
1930s, this is paint from the 1930s. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
So, Martin, I suspect that probably wasn't what you wanted to see. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:59 | |
Not at all, no. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
How do you feel about that? | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
Well, obviously I feel a bit knocked back on that. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:08 | |
It wasn't what we were expecting or hoping for. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
That paint could not have been put on in Vetebsk between 1909, 1910. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:16 | |
I'm in a turmoil at the moment. I keep thinking about Kamensky | 0:45:16 | 0:45:22 | |
and his book, and the date on that. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
"Has he made a mistake?" I keep thinking. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
Where is the journey leading us to? | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
What we do know is that Chagall is one of those target artists for fakers. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
I met this guy Tony Tetro who specialises in creating, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:42 | |
in duping people with Chagalls, was doing it right up till the late '80s. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:47 | |
So we have entered a very murky area of the art world. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:52 | |
Back in Philip's gallery, | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
we're coming to terms with the results of our scientific tests. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
I've had a more detailed breakdown of Tracy's pigment analysis | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
of Martin's painting, and I'm afraid it doesn't look very good. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
Not only is the blue a modern pigment, | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
but the green is a modern pigment as well, so out of period | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
for the painting, and there's even dodgy pigments in the signature. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:20 | |
This is getting worse and worse. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
We've hit the buffers on the actual materials used, and it | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
looks as though we've got nowhere to go on the provenance as well. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
And neither Debbie Hatchwell nor Alexander Shlepyanov can recall | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
the name of the private collector from whom Martin bought the picture | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
so the provenance trail is finished. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
What about this book, though? | 0:46:42 | 0:46:43 | |
Because we know that Martin's painting, | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
complete with crease, was in this book by the Soviet art critic | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
Alexander Kamensky, and Martin set enormous store by the fact | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
that his painting is reproduced in this book. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:54 | |
That was the key thing. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
I feel bad ruling out all this evidence | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
but if you look in this later edition, | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
published in 2005... | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
So it's not here. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
I'm afraid it's entirely disappeared from the book. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
Which is deeply worrying. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
I've never come across that before, in the edition of one but not the other. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
And why would anyone do that, other than having doubts | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
about the painting? Would there be other reasons why you'd take it out? | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
I mean, Alexander Kamensky's dead so we can't ask him. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
We're at the point now where it seems we've got very few avenues | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
to go down except there's the committee - let's see what they say. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
The Chagall Committee. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
The evidence against Martin's picture is stacking up. His last | 0:47:44 | 0:47:49 | |
hope is that a mistake has been made in the provenance | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
and Chagall actually painted it much later than we thought. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:57 | |
And the only people who might have some answers | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
are the Chagall Committee in Paris, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:04 | |
led by his two granddaughters, Meret and Bella Meyer. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
They have asked us to submit the painting to them for examination | 0:48:09 | 0:48:13 | |
and, with Martin's permission, Nude, 1909-10 makes the journey to France. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:20 | |
But just days after it arrives, we receive a response | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
from the Committee, and it's more shocking than we had ever imagined. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:28 | |
It's vital that we speak to Martin immediately, but he's on holiday in | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
a remote corner of Canada, so we'll have to contact him on-line. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
Martin, hi, this is Fiona | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
and Philip. I'm sorry to disturb you on holiday. We've had some news, | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
it's here in black and white from the Chagall Committee. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
We've only just had a cursory look but we need to give you now | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
-the details cos there's some decisions we need to make. -'OK.' | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
Yes, Martin, I've got the letter here from the Chagall Committee. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
Having looked at your work, and they go into details about it, Nude, 1909-1910. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:11 | |
And they are declaring that your painting is fake. I'm really sorry. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:18 | |
'It's a shame, absolutely. That's a shock, actually. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
'I wasn't expecting that. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:24 | |
'We've obviously been fooled same as everyone else but, you know, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
'it's very, very sad.' | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
I'm really sorry, Martin. I mean, this is the conclusion they've | 0:49:34 | 0:49:39 | |
come to and they go into details in this letter which, of course, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
we will share with you, but we've just had this in. I've literally just seen it. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:46 | |
The Committee state that Martin's picture is an imitation | 0:49:46 | 0:49:50 | |
of a genuine work done in 1911 called Reclining Nude. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:54 | |
Their detailed analysis argues how a forger could have copied many of its elements. | 0:49:54 | 0:50:00 | |
But this new information comes at a terrible price. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
The letter contains some truly devastating news. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
The Committee proposes to invoke an extraordinary measure under | 0:50:07 | 0:50:11 | |
French law. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:12 | |
Part of the reason why we wanted to get hold of you | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
so urgently is there's a bit of a bombshell at the end of the letter. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
On the basis, they say, that your painting is | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
fake in their opinion, "The heirs of Marc Chagall | 0:50:22 | 0:50:28 | |
"request that it - your painting - be seized and then destroyed." | 0:50:28 | 0:50:34 | |
'Right, we should talk about that further, in due course.' | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
We weren't expecting that. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
'No.' | 0:50:43 | 0:50:44 | |
Well, Martin, you've heard what they've said. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
There are options out there. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
We need to regroup, we all need to think about it, | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
and you particularly, | 0:50:52 | 0:50:53 | |
where we go from here. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
God, I feel sick about that, actually. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
I mean, poor Martin... I had no idea that that could happen, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:08 | |
did you? | 0:51:08 | 0:51:09 | |
I mean, you hear about it. It's one of those | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
things you know that it exists in the art world, | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
the power of certain individuals, particularly if you're contracted | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
to be able to destroy a picture. But the reality is it's so rare. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:21 | |
I've never known it personally, I don't know any colleagues | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
of mine who've encountered this. I mean, the response is so extreme! | 0:51:24 | 0:51:30 | |
You know, I keep thinking how Martin must be feeling. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
He looked devastated. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
Martin, whether it's fake or not, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
has spent £100,000 on this picture, and they're in a sort of cavalier | 0:51:39 | 0:51:44 | |
way saying, '"We do not think it's right, we shall therefore | 0:51:44 | 0:51:49 | |
"destroy the picture that you've just spent so much money on." | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
I mean, what sort of system, what sort of justice is that?! | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
The outcome is particularly shocking as the Chagall Committee's terms and | 0:51:56 | 0:52:01 | |
conditions made no specific mention that the picture could be destroyed. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
They have issued Martin with an ultimatum. Either | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
he agrees to the destruction or they fight him in the French courts. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:13 | |
We need some expert advice, so we're meeting Pierre Valentin, | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
a lawyer who specialises in art litigation. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
Pierre, in my experience and that of colleagues I've spoken to, | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
this has not happened before, so what are the precedents? | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
There were a couple of recent instances involving Joan Miro. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
On both occasions, these were two different owners, | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
the Miro Committee decided these works were fakes, and they proceeded | 0:52:35 | 0:52:41 | |
to have these works seized with a view to having them destroyed. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
The owners, as you can imagine, were not amused and they sued, | 0:52:45 | 0:52:50 | |
but on those two occasions they lost. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
But it's a complete catch 22, isn't it? | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
Because if you have a painting that you think might be by Chagall, | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
the way to get it authenticated, or not, is by submitting | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
it to the Chagall Committee, but then you run risk that they | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
might destroy it - it's just an impossible situation there, surely? | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
The problem, Fiona, is you don't really have a choice | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
because the market will look to the Chagall Committee. They'll tell you | 0:53:13 | 0:53:20 | |
if it's by Chagall or not, so if the Committee does not agree | 0:53:20 | 0:53:26 | |
that it's by Chagall, what you have is virtually worthless. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:31 | |
This power of destruction seems absolutely wrong on every level! | 0:53:31 | 0:53:36 | |
I mean, they will say, of course, that they have a duty to protect | 0:53:36 | 0:53:42 | |
to make sure that as few fakes circulate in the market as possible. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:48 | |
Assuming the Committee are right and | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
Martin's painting is a fake, what are his chances of getting it back? | 0:53:50 | 0:53:55 | |
Almost none. In terms of the Chagall Committee, | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
they will go ahead and destroy the painting, | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
they have the right to do that, and not to do it would set a precedent | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
which from their perspective would be very dangerous, | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
so I fully expect that they will destroy it. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:10 | |
And I think he would be losing his time, wasting his time, going to the French courts. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:16 | |
I hardly dare ask, but how would they destroy Martin's painting? | 0:54:16 | 0:54:21 | |
I think they would probably burn it. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
Goodness me. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
When Martin gets back from his holiday, we meet up with him and his son, Fraser, | 0:54:31 | 0:54:35 | |
to discuss Pierre Valentin's advice, and their options. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:40 | |
Martin, I was just wondering what's | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
happened in the interim between us having that terrible conversation with you on Skype and giving you | 0:54:46 | 0:54:51 | |
the awful news about your painting. What are your feelings now? | 0:54:51 | 0:54:56 | |
We've written to the Committee asking them | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
if they would please allow us to keep the painting. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
We don't even mind if they mark the back of the painting that | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
it's been turned down by the Committee. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
But what we do want, you know, is to keep it as a memento. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
So, worst case scenario, the painting is destroyed, | 0:55:11 | 0:55:16 | |
you've got nothing left, what next? | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
I don't particularly want to bear grudges against committees | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
or individuals, that's not my way of doing things. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
I wish to remain positive. I wish to look upon this as an experience. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:31 | |
I mean, Fraser, what are your feelings towards it now, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
as a piece of art? | 0:55:35 | 0:55:37 | |
I grew up with the painting on the wall. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
I might not have realised who it was at the time but... | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
Do you still like it? | 0:55:43 | 0:55:45 | |
Oh, yeah, I like it. Now, to me, it has a better story. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
You are remarkably sanguine about a hundred-grand loss... | 0:55:48 | 0:55:55 | |
Yes, but what would it have been if it had been a success? | 0:55:56 | 0:56:00 | |
You've got to weigh up. In life, you can't be negative all the time. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:05 | |
It doesn't pay. Life is too short to be destructive. You want | 0:56:05 | 0:56:10 | |
to be constructive, you want to say, "We've lost that, | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
"let's move on to something else." | 0:56:14 | 0:56:15 | |
The Chagall Committee won't decide | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
on Martin's appeal until their next meeting, so Martin | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
has a tense wait ahead of him... but it's time for us to say goodbye. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
This hasn't turned out how any of us would have wanted, | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
but I hope it hasn't put you off paintings for life. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
No, not at all. I think we have to be more careful in future! | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
So, you'll still buy a picture again? | 0:56:35 | 0:56:38 | |
Oh, yes, of course. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:39 | |
I salute your positive attitude! | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
It's been so lovely getting to know you and working with you. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
-Thank you. -All the very best. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
Just before we are due to hear the final verdict from the Chagall Committee, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
we receive a letter from Debbie Hatchwell and Alexander Shlepyanov, | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
who arranged the sale of the painting to Martin in 1992. | 0:56:56 | 0:57:00 | |
They reaffirmed that the painting was sold in good faith | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
and in the belief that it was genuine, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
and that Martin understood that the price paid was low, reflecting | 0:57:09 | 0:57:11 | |
the fact that it had not been verified by the Chagall Committee. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
They say they spoke to Alexander Kamensky about its appearance | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
in his book and they name two other Russian art dealers who helped | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
to source the painting - information we passed on to the Committee. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:28 | |
After examining this new information, | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
and Martin's appeal for the return of the work, the Chagall Committee | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
have reiterated their verdict that the picture is a fake and should be destroyed. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
They also reveal that a member of the Chagall family expressed | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
extremely serious doubts about the painting to | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
Alexander Kamensky as soon as his book was published, | 0:57:46 | 0:57:50 | |
which led to it being removed from subsequent editions. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
Martin has chosen not to contest the case in the courts | 0:57:53 | 0:57:57 | |
but has launched a last-ditch appeal and asked for a full refund | 0:57:57 | 0:58:02 | |
if it should ever be proven that the picture is in fact genuine. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
He awaits the committee's answer in two days from now. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:11 | |
This has been the most extreme outcome in four years | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
of our Fake Or Fortune investigations. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
Martin and his family have encountered the international | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
art world at its most ruthless. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:24 |