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In the 20th century something strange happened to art. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
Traditions that had held good for centuries | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
suddenly felt badly out of date. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
And a new breed of artists emerged to smash them to pieces. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:22 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
Now they've gone right in the shadow, though. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
Come back over here! | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
This new breed ripped apart the old categories of art. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
They embraced film and photography. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
And startling new materials. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
When the people ask me, "What does it mean?" | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
Art is not there to be understand. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
And something else had changed. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
For the first time television allowed artists | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
to talk about their work to a mass audience. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
What kept you going then? | 0:01:04 | 0:01:05 | |
I can't say, just I kept going, something made me keep on going. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
I couldn't stop, I couldn't stop when I was young. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
In this series, we'll be digging deep into the BBC archives | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
to hear the story of 20th century art first hand | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
from the artists themselves. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
Why did you choose to live as artists? | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
It was not our choice. We are driven to be artists. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
In this first episode, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
we'll meet the artists who came of age after the First World War. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
A generation who tore up the rule book of art | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
and began a revolution. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
Pablo Picasso, who reinvented painting. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
Salvador Dali, who stunned the world with surrealist fantasy. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
Dali is not crazy at all. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
Rene Magritte laid bare dark areas of the psyche. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
While Man Ray dreamt up new possibilities for photography. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
I never think about art | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
and I don't think the old masters ever thought they were creating art. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
In their wake art would never be the same. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
This is how they did it, in their own words. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
Paris - 1907. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
City of elegance, and capital of taste. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
Yet, in a street in a seedy part of town, a young man | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
was about to subject good taste to a full frontal assault. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
Set in a brothel, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
Les Demoiselles d'Avignon slashed to shreds polite ideals of painting. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
Five prostitutes stare out from a canvas | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
that deliberately sabotaged hallowed laws of decorum and beauty. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:35 | |
Painted in a fever of creativity, mostly at night, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
it was the work of an extraordinary 25-year-old. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
Pablo Picasso. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
Born in Malaga in southern Spain in 1881, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
he was precocious and explosively talented. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
But it was with his arrival in Paris as a young man | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
that Picasso began to redefine art for the 20th century. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
Picasso was amazingly prolific. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
This person, this kind of animal, that churns out ideas | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
and feelings, and playfulness, and changes their style, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
and has loads of relationships and sits in cafes and talks | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
about politics, and is constantly dabbling in all this stuff. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
He sort of set the standard about what it was | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
to be a contemporary artist. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
Picasso's cubist paintings shattered the laws of perspective. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
His portraits reached new levels of intensity. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
While more than any other artist of his age, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
he revelled in the power of sex. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
Picasso understood Spanish painting, he understood Italian painting, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
he understood the French tradition | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
and absorbed it all like this most fantastic kind of sponge | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
and then spat it all out again in his own absolutely inimitable way. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:18 | |
And then at the same time looked where nobody looked before, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
and managed to find, a kind of what we could almost say was, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
the equivalent of the fourth dimension. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
A born self-publicist with a flair for finding the spotlight, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
Picasso nonetheless rarely gave filmed interviews. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
On one occasion late in his career, a French film crew | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
managed to speak to the great man. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
Yet instead of his art, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
Picasso seemed happier discussing other subjects. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
But if Picasso rarely spoke on camera, there was one occasion | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
when he allowed a unique window onto his creative process. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
In 1956, legendary French director Henri-George Clouzot asked Picasso | 0:06:32 | 0:06:38 | |
if he could film him at work. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
The artist would paint onto translucent paper | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
so the camera could see his creativity unfold. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
Picasso agreed. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
-Attention. Tu es pret? -Oui. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
One of the things about Picasso was that he was quite a showman. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
He did like to present himself, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
He was very aware of his own image, I am Picasso, the great artist. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
And although he became more and more reclusive as he got older, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
I mean, he was never quite above, you know, a bit of showmanship. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
SPANISH GUITAR MUSIC | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
Tres bien. C'est fini. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:05 | |
But if Picasso set out to reshape art for the 20th century, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
he wasn't doing it alone. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
He had a rival. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:18 | |
Far from the Parisian metropolis, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
on the sun-drenched south coast of France, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
another artist was pursuing his own revolutionary vision. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
But he was to prove even more controversial. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
Henri Matisse was born in French Flanders in 1869. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
The son of a seed merchant, Matisse was introduced to art | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
when his mother brought him a box of paints while he was ill in hospital. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
His early paintings were conventional northern still lifes. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
But it was the 25-year-old Matisse's move to the south of France | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
that truly unlocked his dazzling gifts. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
Matisse always said he was painting his emotion. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
And what he was painting was something that came | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
from inside himself, it was an interior kind of painting. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
He was not at all interested in reproducing the surface of reality. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
He wanted to paint its inner reality. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
Matisse's new works were great hymns to harmony and tranquillity. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
But back in Paris they were anything but calmly received. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
He was rejected by the art schools, he was rejected by all the dealers, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
he was certainly rejected by the public. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
And people fell into the habit in Paris you would, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
for a Sunday outing, it was like going to the circus. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
Instead of going to the circus | 0:10:15 | 0:10:16 | |
you'd go to the Salon des Independants | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
and you'd take your girlfriend, and you'd tell her dress up, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
and when you got there and opened the door you could always tell | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
where the Matisses were because the jeers and the cat calls, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
the screams and the howls, and the roaring of laughter | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
were always loudest in front of the Matisse. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
Lacking Picasso's swagger, Matisse felt the abuse keenly | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
and shrank from public exposure. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
But an exception occurred late in his career | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
when, in 1946, he allowed a documentary film crew | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
the privilege of watching him at work. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
Matisse was asked when he'd been happiest in his career. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
Quelle est la periode de votre vie qui a ete pour vous la plus agreable? | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
It's a good analogy and he used it quite often, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
that of a mother and her unfavoured and unfortunate child. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
Yes, that can create a very intense bond between mother and child, | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
but it also causes very great suffering to the mother. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
Matisse suffered a lot from this absolute rejection by everybody, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
including the people whom he most respected. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
The criticisms continued throughout Matisse's career, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
and by his 70s, ill health meant he was too frail to stand at an easel. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
But neither of these stopped him reinventing himself once again. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
By cutting out paper, Matisse made his final voyages into pure colour. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:39 | |
This new way of seeing was a dazzling coda | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
to the rebellion begun in the very first years of the century. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
But there was one young artist | 0:13:30 | 0:13:31 | |
for whom Matisse and Picasso's revolutions hadn't gone far enough. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
In April 1917 a vast contemporary art exhibition | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
opened in New York City. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
The show's open admissions policy meant of the 2,500 works submitted, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
every piece was accepted and put on display. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
Every piece, that is, except one. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
The work that got the thumbs down was a porcelain urinal, laid flat | 0:14:01 | 0:14:06 | |
and signed with the mysterious name, R. Mutt. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
The title of the piece was Fountain. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
And it has become one of the most influential works of art | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
ever created. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
The initial thing to a lot of people is that it is a urinal | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
so, therefore, it is seen as quite transgressive | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
and it is literally, you know, taking the piss. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
The artist behind the anonymous work was Marcel Duchamp, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
a young Frenchman living in the city. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
So, he had that sort of initial idea of, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
I'm going to take this thing I've just bought from a plumber's merchant | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
and put it into the art gallery and challenge the art establishment | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
of the day, to see how liberal and accepting they can really be. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
Also he's making reference to the ideas of what is sculptural. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:56 | |
We can see the sculptural not just in things in an art gallery, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
but they're in everything. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
As well as his Fountain, Duchamp selected other ordinary objects, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
signed them, and declared them to be works of art. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
He called them the Readymades. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
And once this simple gesture had been made, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
the genie could never be put back in the bottle. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
Suddenly, the material of the world, virtually everything | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
becomes expressively potential material for artists | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
and that totally transforms the nature of human expression. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
Duchamp stunned his followers in the 1920s | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
by apparently abandoning art altogether | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
and turning his attention to chess. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
So who was this mysterious man, and what had been his intentions? | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
In 1968, the BBC arts programme, Late Night Line-Up, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
was given the opportunity to find out. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
The task fell to their young presenter, Joan Bakewell. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
They'd dumped us in what had been the weather forecasting studio | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
which was enormously tiny, very cramped, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
and you can see that he and I are knee to knee | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
and that this work of art of his, the Bottle Rack, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
is standing close up next to him. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
Very often every day... | 0:16:36 | 0:16:37 | |
I knew that he had given up art, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
so I thought he might be rather reluctant. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
I was delighted, in fact, that he was so voluble and talkative. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
What you were also attempting to do, as I understand it, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
was to devalue the art as an object simply by saying, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
"If I say it's a work of art that makes it a work of art". | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
Yeah, but the word, work of art, you see is not so important for me. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
I don't care about the word 'art' because it's been so, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
you know, discredited and so forth. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
But you in fact contributed to the discrediting, didn't you, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
quite deliberately. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
Deliberately, yes, so I really want to get rid of it. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
Because the way many people today have done away with religion. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:23 | |
'You can't make a statement about art, and remain within art.' | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
There was a paradox about what he was doing. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
He was destroying it, and he was remaining within it | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
and he knew that, and he knew that I knew, and so did the audience. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
His work may have seemed like a paradox, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
but to Duchamp it was very simple. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
The old art had been swept away, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
replaced by his idea that anyone could be an artist. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
You said in the '20s, you proclaimed - art is dead. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
It isn't, is it? | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
Yes, but that's what I meant by that, you see. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
I meant that it's dead | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
by the fact that instead of being singularised | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
in a little box like that, so many artists in so many squares, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
it would be universal in anyone's life to be an artist | 0:18:09 | 0:18:14 | |
but not noticed as an artist. You see what I mean, the difference? | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
-Marcel Duchamp, thank you very much. -Well, I'm delighted. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
The democratic ticket that Duchamp offers us | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
is that everything in the world that has been made by humans | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
is interpretable. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
And that actually true value comes from the fact | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
that we do half of the work and we have to continually interpret | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
those objects that we have made around ourselves | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
in order to derive that meaning. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:47 | |
That's our job and that's what, in a way, art can give us to do. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
That's a beautiful thought. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:56 | |
It's very generous. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
I think Duchamp was absolutely essential, you know, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
he literally kick-started a certain strand of thinking in art | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
and kind of hovered there the whole time. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
We are all the children of Duchamp in many ways. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
Duchamp's Fountain had begun a revolution that would become | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
known as conceptual art. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
But this revolution was put on hold by an event that threatened | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
to destroy art altogether. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
The First World War was tearing Europe apart. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
Could artists offer anything in the face of mechanised slaughter? | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
The answer was to come from the darkest moments | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
of the conflict itself. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
Max Ernst was a soldier in the German artillery. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
Born near Cologne in 1891, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
he served on both the Western and Eastern Fronts | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
and was wounded in action. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
Ernst had been a promising artist before the war. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
But the conflict changed everything. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
For Ernst, the art of the past was parlour decoration | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
for the generation that had marched its children to war. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
He was to take things in a startling new direction. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
It's easy nowadays | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
to not understand how original those pictures were, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
but when he made them in the early 1920s | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
they were like nothing anyone had ever seen before. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
As a student, Ernst had become deeply influenced | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
by the work of Sigmund Freud. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
When you look at Ernst he is accessing | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
some kind of collective unconscious. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
A kind of primeval world of fear and anxiety | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
dominated by sexuality and death | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
by the classic Freudian drives. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
He's trying to address the viewer's psyche and summon up darkness | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
in a very, very immediate way. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
Ernst's dramatic explorations of the unconscious | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
helped lay the foundation for one of the most important | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
artistic movements of the 20th century. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
Surrealism. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:54 | |
But what had driven Ernst to paint the way he did? | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
In 1961, Ernst was interviewed | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
on the BBC's flagship arts programme, Monitor. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
The British painter Roland Penrose was keen to understand | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
why Ernst made such apparently irrational art. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
Who made world history? | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
Not the most reasonable people. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
-The mad men did. -Yes, that's very true. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
So if a painting is the mirror | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
of a time, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
it must be mad to have the true image of what time is. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
When Ernst says that art needs to be mad | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
you have to bear in mind the kind of period that he was living through | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
and the kind of crucible of the interwar period in particular, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
where you had the rise of the Popular Front | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
to counter the rise of Fascism. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
I think that the early to mid point of the 20th century | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
is, in a sense, the kind of high watermark of seeming irrationality | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
and collective insanity on the part of social and political development. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
And I think individual artists like Ernst very much felt | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
they had to respond to that. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
So the irrational in art is an absolutely essential ingredient, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
-do you think? -It is essential. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
-Yes, that sounds a very dangerous... -Everything is dangerous. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
Because if art is to be mad as politicians are mad... | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
-No, no, no, we are mad in a very different way. -Yes, I suppose so. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
-Exactly the opposite. -That is the great difference, isn't it? | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
-To one madness we oppose another madness. -Yes. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
He didn't look like the average surrealist, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
he looked very respectable, and like an academic. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
He always wore a tie and a tweed jacket. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
And yet beneath that utterly respectable exterior, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
you know, a madness dwelled. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
I mean he was as mad as any surrealist. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
In fact, he said that his work was about exploring | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
the borderland between sanity and insanity, and he spent a lot of time | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
in mental asylums for this reason because he was so interested in it. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
So that there is something always of a game in it, is there? | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
There is a very strong game in it, of course. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
The one big danger is that you lose your mind. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
Madness is always in the background and menaces you. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
But that is a risk that is worth taking? | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
That is a risk worth taking, yes, sure. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
What would life be only, a life without any risk? | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
Ernst's surrealist painting and collage work | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
had unlocked a new visual world. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
In his wake, other artists would push his discoveries | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
well beyond the confines of traditional art. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
With films like Entr'acte, irrationality and dreams | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
started to flood the newer media of film and photography. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
In one scene, Marcel Duchamp can be seen playing chess on a rooftop. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:46 | |
His opponent was an artist who, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
more than any other figure in the 20th century, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
broke down the boundaries between visual art, photography and film. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
Man Ray. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
Born Emmanuel Radnitzky in Philadelphia in 1890, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
Man Ray was the son of Russian-Jewish immigrants. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
As a teenager he found work as an atlas designer | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
and engraver of umbrella handles. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
But his dream was to be an artist, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
and failing to find success at home, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
in 1921 Man Ray set sail for the capital of the avant garde world. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
By the early '20s, Paris was a magnet | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
drawing in radical artists from across the world. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
Interviewed on the BBC in 1972, Man Ray recalled his arrival. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:59 | |
What was Paris like when you arrived? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
Oh, for me it was a new world. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
I didn't speak a word of French when I came here in '21. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
And I felt like a newborn baby after my struggles in America | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
and rejections from the galleries and collectors. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
But from the very first day, Duchamp was already in Paris, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
and he took me around, and we met everybody. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
Looking back, I always have the feeling that the '20s and the '30s | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
and the Surrealist movement, it was a great deal of fun. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
No, not at the time. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
People look back to it and think it was a marvellous period, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
romantic and all that sort, but, no, it was very tense. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
It was very bitter and there was no humour in it. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
But what we did was really to upset things. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
Galvanised by his new surroundings, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
Man Ray began to work across many artistic forms. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
The objects he displayed combined simple items to unsettling effect. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
While his dazzling discoveries in exposure and light | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
transformed the possibilities of photography. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
The idea to go back and forth between photography, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
sculpture and painting was entirely new in the early 20th century. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:32 | |
Normally, when an artist used photography, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
as many artists did, many painters did, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
they would use it only from the point of view of studies. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
Man Ray didn't to it that way. He decided that photography | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
would be one of his arts, and he very often would sign | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
and present photographs as finished works in their own right. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
And there was one more area in which Man Ray's | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
surreal artistic creativity and technical brilliance could combine. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
Cinema. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:04 | |
With films like Emak Bakia, Man Ray brought his restless experimentation | 0:29:06 | 0:29:11 | |
and visual brilliance to bear on this still young medium. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
His incredible versatility dazzled his contemporaries. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
One described him as, "the man with the head of a magic lantern". | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
Were you ever conscious of creating art? | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
No. I never think about art. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
I don't think the old masters ever thought that they were creating art. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
They had to express the spirit of their times. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
'I think Man Ray was one of the people who gave us an idea | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
'that if you see what the orthodoxy is and you say no.' | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
Duchamp does the same thing. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
These are people who are engaged in resistance. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
They want to attack art | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
because of what they see as its unreasonable limitations. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
You said once that, fortunately, there is no progress in art. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
What did you mean by that? | 0:30:29 | 0:30:30 | |
Well, the only thing I, my answer to that was, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
just as there's no progress in the manner of making love. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
There are only different ways of doing it. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
I cannot do anything better than the old masters did. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
My only justification is that I do something different. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
When they ask me, "Do you still like the old masters?" | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
I say, "I think they're wonderful." | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
But my only justification is that I do something different. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
You ask the old masters what they think of my things, | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
it may be much more interesting to hear their opinion. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
Looking back at your life, what would you say satisfied you most? | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
I think women. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
Man Ray's photographs, films and unsettling objects | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
were part of a wave of extraordinary Parisian creativity. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
In a few short years, the avant garde | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
had revolutionised ideas of what it meant to be an artist. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
But how would such ideas go down across the Channel? | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
In the early 1930s, British tastes in art were deeply conservative. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:53 | |
The public had only just got used to Impressionism. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
And the exploits of Duchamp and the Surrealists | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
might have occurred in a different universe. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
But there was one artist who set his own unique course - | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
in a very British way. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
This is a film about a man who became an artist because he missed a train. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
This happened many years ago. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
He left the station in a Manchester suburb | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
and started to walk up the Bolton Road, wondering what to do. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
As he took in the scene, he was filled with the urge to paint it. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:37 | |
And at that moment, he decided to become an artist. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
His name is Lawrence Stephen Lowry. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
LS Lowry was born in Manchester in 1887. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
Although passionate about drawing as a child, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
he bowed to parental pressure and got a job as a rent collector. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
But for 15 years, Lowry studied art in evening classes. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:09 | |
And by the 1930s, he had begun to paint | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
some of the defining images of the British 20th century. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
In 1957, the BBC filmed Lowry in Manchester. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
I really don't know why I paint these streets. I just paint them. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:29 | |
That's all. As far as I can see. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
There's something about them that attracts me. A pictorial sense. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
But I do feel that the pictures that I like the best are | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
pictures done entirely from... | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
Call it imagination if you like. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
Building up scenes from the blank canvas. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
I like to do that the best, and I think myself that's more me | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
than the pictures painted from the drawings. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
A reclusive man, Lowry didn't want to speak on camera, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
but discussed his work in a sound interview. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
People call them matchsticks, matchstick figures, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
they may be, I don't mind, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:12 | |
if they like to call them matchstick figures, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
well, let them do it, I don't mind at all. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
Quite right, they're probably quite right, but it doesn't concern me. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
All I do is to paint figures as I see them. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
Lowry's paintings of everyday life were popular with the public. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
But perhaps for that reason, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
many in the art establishment treated him with disdain. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
One thing that people often say about Lowry is that he was | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
a naive painter, he was an amateur painter, he was a Sunday painter. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
That is absolutely not the case. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
He was trained, he went to art school, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
he knew what was going on in the art of his time, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
he knew about Surrealism and all these things, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
and he did not paint men like matchsticks | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
because he didn't know how to paint men properly. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
He was trying to find his own voice, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
and a voice that expressed what he was trying to say about the world. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
Like his cityscapes, Lowry's work in other forms - | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
such as his portraits - received little critical attention. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
Also less publicised was the encouragement Lowry gave | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
to young painters on his visits to art schools. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
Lowry was invited to come to the Slade | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
and I was one of the chosen ones, which was lovely. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
I took all my pictures into the room, and he stood there, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
with his belly, and he said - I can't do the accent - | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
"I can't do that. I can't do that. This is very good." | 0:35:50 | 0:35:56 | |
I liked that he liked what I was doing, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
it doesn't matter that it isn't modern or whatever. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
And he was very helpful to me. The only one, really. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
Lowry rarely spoke publicly about his own early years as a painter. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
But in a recently rediscovered BBC interview, originally shown in 1967, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:24 | |
he explained what it was that first drove him to paint. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
I started off with the intention - | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
I went to the industrial scene in Manchester and area | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
from a residential side | 0:36:34 | 0:36:35 | |
and I got very obsessed by it. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
And I felt that I'd like... I found that nobody had done it before, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
that was important, so I'd try and put it on the map | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
as a real subject matter, a real subject matter. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
And I think I did that by about 1948 or '51 | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
and I was going to get out and stop. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
But I kept on, unfortunately. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
What kept you going then? | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
I can't say. Just, I kept going, something made me keep on going, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
I couldn't stop, I couldn't stop when I was young. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
Eventually, Lowry found some acceptance | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
by the arts establishment. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
Yet in life and art, he always remained a solitary figure. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
Well, I spent the whole of my life wondering what it all means. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
I can't understand it, don't understand it at all. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
I don't see any point in it myself. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
Still, there it is, you still keep on working, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
and you still keep on wondering what it all means, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
and it goes on and on and on, and there you are. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
Lowry's paintings revealed a man trying to carve out | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
a style on his own defiantly original terms. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
Back in the London of the '30s, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
another painter was about to make an equally original debut. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
But this particular avant garde artist came from unlikely origins. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
The London season is getting under way, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
a fact that's important to the debutantes if not to you. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
So here's the exclusive picture | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
of the exclusive Debutantes' Ball at Grosvenor House. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
She was a debutante. Recently presented at court to King George V. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:25 | |
Leonora Carrington was the daughter of wealthy textile manufacturers, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
destined for a life of gilded confinement. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
But something else caught her eye. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
With the opening of a major exhibition in 1936 | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
the strange visual world of Surrealism | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
finally arrived in Britain. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
The world of dreams is a strange world, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
which most of us visit only in our sleep. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
The whole aim of Surrealism is to explore this world, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
and to bring it into relation with our daily life. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
The 19-year-old Carrington was one of the thousands | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
who flocked to the show. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
Inspired by the movement, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:18 | |
she began producing her own Surrealist paintings. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
It's said that Leonora Carrington didn't paint her pictures - | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
she brewed them up in a cauldron at midnight. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
And there is something of the dark arts about those paintings. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
It's almost like stepping onto the stage set | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
of an Alice in Wonderland adaptation. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
In 1992, the BBC's Omnibus travelled to Mexico, where Carrington | 0:39:56 | 0:40:01 | |
had been living in self-imposed exile for almost five decades. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:06 | |
They wanted me to conform to the life of horses and hunt balls | 0:40:06 | 0:40:12 | |
and being well considered by the local gentry, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:18 | |
I suppose, that sort of thing. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
And were you supposed to go out into society? | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
Yes, well, we... Don't you have debutantes in England still? | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
What a marvellous thing, I didn't know. They scrapped it, did they? | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
But if the Surrealists of the 1930s | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
had provided Carrington with inspiration, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
there was one among them who changed her life. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
At this time Max Ernst was the sage of Surrealism. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
Carrington became intoxicated with his art, | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
and met Ernst at a dinner party in 1937. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
She fell instantly in love with him, he fell instantly in love with her. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
And a few days later she went to see her father | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
and said, "I want to go to Paris and live with Max Ernst." | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
Her father said, "If you do I'll disown you." | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
So she did, and he disowned her, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
and they never spoke again for the rest of their lives. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
And in 1937 she went to Paris with Max Ernst. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
When I was with the Surrealists I didn't have to fit into anything. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
I was in love, | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
I was with someone who was also an extremely interesting person. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:38 | |
Ernst was equally smitten. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
His Robing of the Bride | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
is believed to have been inspired by his new lover. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
But was the former debutante being cast as yet another male stereotype? | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
There was a very strong feeling that people like Carrington | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
were kind of these creatures who inspired desire. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
They were just there to serve men's greater faculties | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
and powers of imagination. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
She was the incarnation of so much of their, now to us, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
rather perverted ideas of women, and women's place, women's inspiration, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:24 | |
the idea that the child woman, the "femme-enfant", | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
was a door through which men like Max Ernst could enter | 0:42:28 | 0:42:33 | |
these realms of gold | 0:42:33 | 0:42:34 | |
where there would be all this rich erotic symbolism. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
But despite the alpha male circles in which she moved, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
Carrington wasn't intimidated. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
There's a story that she had people to stay the night, | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
and when they were asleep she snuck into their room, cut off their hair, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
and then fed it to them in the form of an omelette the next morning. | 0:42:56 | 0:43:01 | |
So she really entered into the spirit of Surrealism in the 1930s, | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
and she was as strong a character as any of them. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
Shortly after painting this portrait of Ernst, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
Carrington's relationship with her lover was ended | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
by their separation during the Second World War. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
Surviving a breakdown, | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
Carrington went on to produce a series of extraordinary paintings, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
fuelled by her two years with the Surrealists. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
She was a national treasure in Mexico. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
She was a superstar in the United States. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
Her pictures fetched fortunes. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
And yet here in Britain, in the country of her birth, | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
she's been curiously neglected. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
And that is terrible | 0:43:52 | 0:43:53 | |
because Carrington was one of the great Surrealists, | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
and one of the great female artists of the century, without a doubt. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
In the Omnibus documentary, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
Carrington was asked what she'd learned from her life. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
I don't feel that I know anything. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
Be probably nice if I could sit back and say, "I know now." | 0:44:14 | 0:44:19 | |
But I don't. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:20 | |
I'm an old woman, | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
human species, | 0:44:24 | 0:44:25 | |
sitting in Mexico. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
Anything else? | 0:44:29 | 0:44:30 | |
No, I can't think offhand | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
of anything that I could really say was true. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
And I think that's true, I'm a female, old, sitting in Mexico. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:43 | |
Do you think that's a good story? | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
It gives one a lot to speculate on. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
Carrington's time in the Paris of the '30s | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
set the course for her life. | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
Another artist new to the city | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
was also taking Surrealism into uncharted waters. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
He came not from the frenetic atmosphere of avant garde France, | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
but the altogether calmer world of provincial Belgium. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
Rene Magritte was born in the town of Lessines in 1898. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:29 | |
The son of a merchant and a hat maker, | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
he was given a conventional bourgeois upbringing | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
and went to art school in Brussels at the age of 17. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
Supporting himself with a job designing wallpaper, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
the young Magritte began to develop the visual style | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
that would make him one of the most puzzling - | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
and most famous - painters of the 20th century. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
Magritte's painting is essentially a game of mysteries. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
He recognises what we're going to anticipate | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
when we see a particular scene | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
and then he gives us something shockingly different. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
There's an interesting poetry of ideas that goes on in Magritte | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
that I like a lot. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:21 | |
They're incredibly simple ideas that somehow touch | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
what it is like just to wake from a dream. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
Very familiar but just slightly wrong. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
Magritte spent much of his later life | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
living in a quiet Brussels suburb. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
In 1965 the BBC's Monitor | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
paid a visit on Magritte and his wife at their comfortable home. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:51 | |
But true to his enigmatic nature, the artist didn't speak on camera. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:59 | |
And yet, was this bowler-hatted bourgeois the real Rene Magritte? | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
Magritte put on a bit of an act. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
He wore a trilby hat, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:13 | |
but if he saw a photographer he put on a bowler hat. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
He would then walk down the street in his bowler hat. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
He played the game of being ultra orthodox in his dress | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
and the way he lived. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
But inside his brain he was seething | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
with rebellious, irrational thoughts. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
Although he never spoke to the BBC, in 1965 the master of mystery | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
granted a rare interview to Belgian television. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
But if Magritte's work was unknowable, | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
one of the dark sources of that work was revealed by the artist himself. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:35 | |
When he was 13 his mother, who was mad, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
had been trying to kill herself on a regular basis. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:48 | |
She even jumped into the water tank in the attic | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
to try and drown herself, and it didn't work, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
so Magritte's father had locked her in her bedroom | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
but she escaped one night, jumped in the river, | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
and according to Magritte, she took off her night dress, | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
wrapped it round her face and jumped into the river. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:03 | |
It's now believed that this idea | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
that the boy saw his mother's veiled face | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
when she was drowned is a fantasy, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
that in fact the body wasn't discovered for 17 days, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:21 | |
by which time her face would probably have rotted away. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
It's more likely that the boy was told | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
that his mother had lost her face | 0:49:29 | 0:49:33 | |
without knowing any details, | 0:49:33 | 0:49:34 | |
but it would have been sufficient, no doubt, to have preyed on him | 0:49:34 | 0:49:39 | |
and to have left him with a haunted mind. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
Like his paintings, Magritte remained impenetrable. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
But this most enigmatic of artists | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
was about to be usurped by a new arrival on the Surrealist scene. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
And he was no shrinking violet. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
From an early age, Salvador Dali had set his sights on global fame. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:01 | |
Born in Figueres, Spain, in 1904, | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
by his 20s, Dali was producing | 0:51:06 | 0:51:08 | |
some of the most intriguing surreal paintings of all. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
His pin-sharp dreamscapes rapidly gripped the popular imagination. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
Their contorted forms conjured up | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
by an exceptionally strange creative mind. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
In Paris, Dali befriended Surrealists like Ernst and Man Ray | 0:51:38 | 0:51:43 | |
and quickly became the poster boy of the movement. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
But where Magritte had shied away from television interviews, | 0:51:48 | 0:51:52 | |
for Dali, they were a chance to promote his favourite creation - | 0:51:52 | 0:51:56 | |
himself. | 0:51:57 | 0:51:58 | |
In 1955, the journalist Malcolm Muggeridge | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
interviewed the painter for the BBC's Panorama. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
The first question I want to put you, | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
it really ought to be about modern art but I can't help it, | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
there's some delicious frivolity in you which makes me ask it, | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
is, how did you manage to produce those marvellous moustaches? | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
In the last moment of dinner, not clean my fingers, | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
and put a little on my moustache, | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
and remain for all afternoon very efficient...efficient... | 0:52:34 | 0:52:39 | |
..efficiently. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
Mm. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:42 | |
Do you have any trouble with it at night, do you have to peg it | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
or anything like that, or does it stand up at night? | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
No, in the night, clean every night, and becoming soft, sleep. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:52 | |
So at night it droops down? | 0:52:52 | 0:52:53 | |
Completely, completely. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
And then in the morning up she goes again? | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
Three minutes. Only in three minutes, fix my moustache. | 0:52:57 | 0:52:59 | |
And then you feel you can face the world | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
with that wonderful moustache standing up? | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
Yes, because every day, becoming much more practical for my inspiration. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:08 | |
The global face of Surrealism | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
courted the attention of celebrities. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
Dali was a great talent, there's no doubt about it, | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
but ultimately, he was interested in fame and in fortune | 0:53:27 | 0:53:33 | |
and he sold out. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:34 | |
And, you know, his friends knew it, the Surrealists knew it, | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
he knew that he'd sold out. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
But Dali didn't care. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
First it dissolves. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
Happy bubbles, but devoted bubbles. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
Then the Alka-Seltzer shoots into the stomach. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
Here it neutralizes that bad excess acid. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
Meantime this special aspirin is speeding into your bloodstream | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
to all places of pain, | 0:53:59 | 0:54:00 | |
so those beautiful places will feel beautiful again. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
Alka-Seltzer is a work of art. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
Truly one of a kind. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
Like Dali! | 0:54:07 | 0:54:08 | |
Dali himself made no bones about his motivation, | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
as he revealed later in his career in a BBC Arena documentary. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
Salvador Dali, myself, is very rich | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
and Dali love tremendously money and gold. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:32 | |
And Dali sleep the best | 0:54:32 | 0:54:36 | |
after one day of work | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
receive one tremendous quantity of cheques. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
But did Dali's slavish pursuit of celebrity and wealth | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
finally damage his art? | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
Opinions are still divided. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
Dali didn't waste the talent he had, he corrupted it. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
What went wrong with Dali was not that his hands | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
couldn't do it any more. They always could. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
What went wrong with Dali was that his mind turned into the Dali mind. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
A beautiful, crisp apple has gone very, very rotten. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
I think Dali was much more important than most people realise. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:31 | |
It's his own fault, he acted the buffoon | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
and people remember that too much. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
But the fact is that Salvador Dali | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
is one of the most important artists of the 20th century. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
And if people belittle him | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
because of his weaknesses and his follies, it's a great mistake. | 0:55:56 | 0:56:00 | |
Because Dali alone, in front of a canvas, | 0:56:05 | 0:56:09 | |
could weave magic. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
But the magic of modern art had found some powerful enemies. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
The Nazis put so-called 'degenerate' modern artists | 0:56:30 | 0:56:34 | |
on their wanted lists. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
And with the start of the Second World War, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
many were forced to flee for their lives. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:42 | |
The first great wave of modern art was over. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
Yet the previous three decades had seen a total transformation | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
in the possibilities of what art could be. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
There is an explosion of possibility and of diversity in art. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:06 | |
The art today is a consequence of all those things | 0:57:08 | 0:57:13 | |
that happened during that time. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
This was a ripping apart of art, this was a complete restart. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:23 | |
Picasso comes along and he questions | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
the fundamentals of the image. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
Duchamp comes along and he questions what an art object is. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:35 | |
The Surrealists come along and they start exploring | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
the inner mind of the human being. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:43 | |
I mean, no-one's been down there before, you know, | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
it's dark, it's horrible, it's spooky. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
So the whole of this early period was spent going places | 0:57:49 | 0:57:53 | |
people hadn't been before in art. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
You can't look at this great art being made at that time | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
and not sense the excitement of the change and the difference of it, | 0:58:02 | 0:58:07 | |
all the avenues that were being opened up for the future. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
And as the artists dispersed, | 0:58:14 | 0:58:16 | |
many travelled to the city that was to take over from Paris, | 0:58:16 | 0:58:20 | |
and where the next chapter in the history of art would be written. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:24 | |
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