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This is Benjamin Grosvenor, playing at the first night of the Proms | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
just a few weeks ago. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
At 19, he's the youngest ever soloist to perform at the first night of the Proms, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:33 | |
and his virtuosity has dazzled both the audience and the critics. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:39 | |
RAPTUROUS APPLAUSE | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
Six years ago, Imagine discovered this musical prodigy in the making. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
This is an 11-year-old Benjamin Grosvenor on his way to winning the piano section | 0:01:20 | 0:01:25 | |
at the Young Musician Of The Year competition in 2004. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:31 | |
I'm absolutely bowled over by him. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
It was fabulous really. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
Completely natural feeling for colour and gesture, extraordinary. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
I really felt like I was witnessing some historic moment. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
Benjamin's very clear about his future. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
In about 10 years time or 20 years time, I'd like to be a concert pianist. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
It's what I want to do in life. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
But what does it mean to be a concert pianist today and what is Benjamin letting himself in for? | 0:02:10 | 0:02:16 | |
The idea of having to walk on stage and play the piano | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
in a packed concert hall is one of those universal fantasies, or is it nightmares? | 0:02:50 | 0:02:56 | |
Unfortunately, I can only play the piano in my dreams. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
Yet, I'm still magnetically drawn to the instrument. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
I can never resist sitting down at a piano and touching the keys. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
Unlike the violin, it is at least easy to get a sound from. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
But at the same time, there's something so improbable about serious piano-playing. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
The speed, the technique, the memory. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
Great piano players appear to be endowed with mystical qualities. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
What's more, the swaying, crouching, tormented figure hammering | 0:03:24 | 0:03:29 | |
and caressing the ivories is still one of those archetypal romantic images. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
It's not hard to understand why a young boy like Benjamin Grosvenor | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
might want to be a concert pianist. Who wouldn't? | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
Great! | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
Concert piano playing really began in the 1830s when the composer, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
Franz Liszt, first introduced the notion of the solo piano concert. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
Piano recitals rapidly became a widespread and highly popular form of musical entertainment. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
Liszt and his friend, Frederic Chopin, were the first | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
in a long line of great pianists who became the cultural heroes and pin-ups of their time. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
They were followed by such piano giants as Ignacy Paderewski, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:57 | |
whose fame as a pianist led him to become Prime Minister in his native Poland. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:03 | |
The Virtuoso pianist and composer, Sergei Rachmaninov and Artur Rubinstein, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:09 | |
who in his 70-year-long career, became the ultimate international superstar. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
The tradition of heroic pianists continued | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
throughout the twentieth century, with iconic figures like Horowitz... | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
Richter... | 0:05:53 | 0:05:54 | |
..and Glenn Gould. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:58 | |
In today's fiendishly competitive music world, the star pianist still retains an elite status. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:11 | |
'I went to see the leading British composer, George Benjamin, who both writes and performs at the piano, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:19 | |
'to talk about Benjamin Grosvenor's chances of success.' | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
When a young pianist like Benjamin Grosvenor, for instance, here he is, he's at the beginning of this. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:29 | |
It's a hugely competitive area. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
What is it that's going to make a concert pianist for today stand out | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
in this very competitive environment? | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
It's very difficult because there are thousands wanting to be concert pianists. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:44 | |
Obviously, natural virtuosity, the ability to learn and to conquer the instrument. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
All the obvious things. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
Depth of interpretation, understanding, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
the ability to listen to oneself, to hear the piano while playing it. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
Also, charisma for the audience, having that quality that forces | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
the listener to empathise with you while you're playing and to force the public to listen. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:08 | |
Essentially, if you want to master it, you have to start young. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
I think so, on the whole, there's always exceptions. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
Usually, people do start pretty young - six, seven, eight. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
To conquer music... | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
People can be extraordinarily brilliant at music at an early age. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
More than anything else, mathematics is the equivalent. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
One must be born with talent. That is the most important thing. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
You must be born with talent and then you can only develop it when there's nothing to learn. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:38 | |
You can't learn talent. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
There's no question, becoming a concert pianist is an olympian task | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
and it certainly helps to start young. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
Not all but most of today's top pianists began playing at an extremely early age. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:58 | |
Piano for me is like my childhood friend. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
My parents bought a piano, an upright piano for me | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
when I was one year and eight months, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
almost two years old. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
My mother tells me I started to play the piano when I was three. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
I was just a kid who played the piano. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
I guess nature decided for me from the beginning. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
I started to play the piano at aged two, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
or to be precise, when I was two years and two months old - | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
as soon as I was tall enough to reach the keyboard. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
Do you have a first memory of the piano? | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
When you first heard a piano? | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
No! | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
I don't think I was a Mozart | 0:09:10 | 0:09:11 | |
and went up to the piano and started playing when I was about three. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
I started when I was about six and a half. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
I think then I wasn't really | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
very determined and confident. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
I didn't want to practise a lot. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
I suppose a bit more like Beethoven, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
he tried to avoid music lessons when he was younger. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
Over the years, I got used to it and it grew on me. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
There has to be a moment when you think to yourself, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
-I want to do this. -I remember a couple of years ago, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:45 | |
playing on the stage at the local cricket pavilion, the concert hall, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
a charity ball or something. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
When I came off, I said to my mum, I really want to be a concert pianist. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
I had so much fun being on that stage and playing to the people. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
So there's definitely a performer in you, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
someone who likes the appreciation of the audience? | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
Likes that scary moment when you get up on stage? Is it scary? | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
No. It's fun, I suppose. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
When you receive the audience's applause it's... | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
..I suppose it gives you self-confidence. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
There's no doubt that Ben has the necessary enthusiasm as well as a huge dose of natural talent, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:36 | |
but he also needs to be immensely dedicated. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
He practises for up to eight hours a day, six days a week. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
On Sundays, he travels up to London with his mother | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
for lessons with Christopher Elton, head of the piano department at the Royal Academy Of Music. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:56 | |
There are different types of prodigy. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
In a way, I don't like using the word. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
There are those who're incredibly well developed physically. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
They can tear around the piano in a very gymnastic way. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
There are also people who are prodigious in, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
just somehow, and who knows where from, having a deep understanding, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:29 | |
sensitivity and even spirituality. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
For me, this is the more interesting one | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
and I would have to say that Benjamin is stronger on that front than the purely pianistic front for his age. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:41 | |
He's capable of giving a performance which is very moving, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
which has enormous integrity to it, which is natural. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
He finds his own voice in many ways, but he also works very hard | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
at the physical side of things, as has to be done, in order to be able | 0:11:53 | 0:11:59 | |
to deliver and to communicate what it is he wants to say. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
Change, change... | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
Good. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
Hold on... | 0:12:19 | 0:12:20 | |
That was fine, the pedalling there. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
The first time, there was almost none which is a fantastic way to practise it. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
There's no point evading the fact that playing the piano is physical to a large extent. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:33 | |
It's easier to train physically when you're young, to develop muscles | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
which are supple, to develop strength when you're young. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
If a pianist hasn't got the basic technique really sorted out by the time they're 15 or 16, they may | 0:12:40 | 0:12:46 | |
advance and get very good, but there are always going to be some hang-ups, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
feelings of insecurity, fillings that they aren't naturally developed enough. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:56 | |
How does this all fit into your school routine? I take it you still have to go to school. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
I have quite a lot of time off school. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
I have 16 free periods a week off. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
It's quite a lot of time. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
With school, I don't really get the amount of practice I want to get done. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:20 | |
I'd like to practice eight hours a day, but I can't do that because of school. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:26 | |
What do you do in your time off or don't you get any? | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
Most of the time, I'm practising. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
You get enough satisfaction without worrying about all the things you're missing. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
I don't really see what I am missing, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
because it's not like... I do do other things. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
I'm not always on the piano. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
Most of the time, I'm on the piano but I do do other things. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
For the moment, Ben is carrying on at his local grammar school | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
with just a weekly visit to London for a lesson. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
But for how much longer? | 0:14:00 | 0:14:01 | |
Most teenage wannabe pianists will sooner or later head off | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
for full-time piano education at one of the music hothouses. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
The Juilliard School in New York attracts piano students from all over the world. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
They come here often at huge personal and financial cost to study. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:26 | |
Unsurprisingly, there are no slackers at the Juilliard. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
Juilliard provides incomparable atmosphere for budding artists. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:35 | |
You have to be incredibly strong and confident in a certain way | 0:14:35 | 0:14:41 | |
to be able to survive the pressures of the school. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
It can ruin a person. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
It's notorious for being a competitive place because everyone plays at such a high level. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:51 | |
There are 25 students in this college class. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
All of whom come in here | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
with the wish to fulfil a dream, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
a dream that they've had since childhood, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
of being able to make music and share it with an audience. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
I would say that almost all of them want to be concert pianists. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
Many of them come in here having no idea what their potential is. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
Some come with inflated views of what they can do, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
some come with very little confidence. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
They all want to find out, find out how far they can take it, and that's what they're here for. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
The one common thread here is their love of music, which becomes almost their religion. | 0:15:53 | 0:16:00 | |
I was five and half and I started winning competitions after competitions. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
Finally, my piano teacher said | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
"There's no more room for her to grow artistically here. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
"I feel like I've taught everything I know. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
"You should take her to America where there are more opportunities and more... | 0:16:29 | 0:16:35 | |
"I guess, just a wider horizon for music." | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
My mother took me here when I was... I think I just turned 11. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:45 | |
She was always a very successful businesswoman in China. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
We had a very well established life and were comfortable. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
When we came here, all of a sudden, we were starting from the beginning. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
Given the incredible opportunity to do it and to have my parents go against all odds | 0:17:07 | 0:17:14 | |
to make that possible for me, has only fuelled this drive that I've always had to be successful at this. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:22 | |
I love playing and I love performing. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
Yeah, I basically just work! | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
Because of the enormous pressures, students need to be actively discouraged from overplaying. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:48 | |
An optimum number of hours for practising for a concert pianist is between four and five. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:59 | |
Six is a maximum and beyond that, the law of diminishing returns starts setting in. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:04 | |
The muscles are worn, they're depleted of blood | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
and fluid supplies and they're much more likely to become injured. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
At some point, it becomes apparent which students have the potential to make the transition into artists. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:29 | |
I know that a student has the making of an artist when you give them an idea and they fly with it. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:42 | |
They don't just... | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
simply reproduce what you tell them. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
They take the idea and take it a step further | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
and that step opens the door for them. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
Teachers in general can teach them what to do at this spot, what to do at that spot. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:06 | |
Once you get that down in your system, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
you have to go into a practice room | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
and think about it all over again from the first note to the last. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
I'm quite surprised when we have masterclasses | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
and somebody else is playing the same piece that I worked on. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:27 | |
We have the same teacher but it sounds totally different and I don't understand how that can be. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:33 | |
That's when the personality thing kicks in. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
The scene today is such that the percentages of the people who are actually going to make it is low. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:57 | |
They know realistically that their chances | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
of making it are slim statistically, but they want the chance to try so that there are no regrets later on. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:07 | |
They give it their best shot and some are lucky, some are not. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
In my last 20 to 30 years of listening to young pianists, I remember only | 0:20:19 | 0:20:27 | |
maybe a couple or three whom I say, I think you can make a big career. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:34 | |
So every year, hundreds of brilliant piano students get to the end of a training for which they've literally | 0:20:34 | 0:20:40 | |
given up the whole of their life so far, only to discover there's still a long way to go. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:46 | |
If they're serious about being a pianist on the concert stage, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
they'll need to continue studying, maybe with one of the great masters. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
I had a few very fine pupils. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
I have a passion for it. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
-I love it. -What do you try to communicate? | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
What is it that you want to teach, to instil into them? | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
I not so much communicate, I try to discover who they are for them. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:12 | |
I think that one has relied too much, too long on methods for everyone, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:18 | |
and that's very wrong in art. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
The great master, the great professor, the one who discovers possibilities and impossibilities | 0:21:21 | 0:21:29 | |
in his pupil. I have good results with it, I must say. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
You have to develop something powerful, authentic and original to say about the music that you play. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:40 | |
That means a profundity of soul and an insight into the music. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
That's something you can't tell if it's going to come. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
It can come along later than you expect or not at all. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
Just absolutely brilliant, pianistic, virtuosity is in the end uninteresting | 0:21:49 | 0:21:56 | |
and won't feed a whole life. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
The Portuguese pianist, Maria Joao Pires, is one of the great figures on the world concert platform | 0:21:59 | 0:22:06 | |
and an inspirational teacher, who gives masterclasses to a select group of exceptional students. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:13 | |
Now, what is the meaning of this? | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
What means this? | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
What do you feel? | 0:22:19 | 0:22:20 | |
I feel like it's not a clear image, like a ghost | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
that is passing by, that you can never really see what it really is. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
But after, you have felt this... | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
Then you cannot play, ba ba ba ba... | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
because it doesn't fit. Feel with your body, don't feel it here, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
don't hear what I am saying, I am not talking to you. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
I don't exist. You are... | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
You are...feeling now something. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
I'm just helping you to feel something. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
Feel it with all your being. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
(Go, go, go, go!) | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
Why is it staccato? | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
Who says? You? | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
You're feeling that it is staccato? | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
Really? Promise me? | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
My feeling of... | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
My brain says... | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
My sense of style says I have to play everything staccato. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:32 | |
-Also not good. -No! | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
We encounter most people trying to read literally what the score says. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
The score says a lot of things, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
but we're looking for that thing that is beyond the notes, the bars, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
the crescendo, the innuendo there. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
It is a safe haven for teachers. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
Most teachers rely on a literal reading, very accurate, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
exact reading of what's written. Then you hear this music | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
played this way and it's that - it doesn't express anything. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
It is very literal reading of the score. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
As Mahler used to say, the print of the score | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
has everything you need to know about the music except the essential. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
Time. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:23 | |
What is the difference between my way of playing and yours? | 0:24:40 | 0:24:45 | |
It is just one thing | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
and one little thing. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
I think it's something to do | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
with giving space | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
to certain notes. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:01 | |
The space is given by time. No time, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
all the world is mine. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
I have the space, I don't have to do. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
I just feel. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
Time. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
The paradox of being a pianist is that much of your life is spent in almost monastic isolation, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:37 | |
in the relentless soul-searching business of practising alone at the keyboard. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:42 | |
But eventually, you have to emerge in front of a large crowd of people | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
and perform for an hour or even two on a stage. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
There's no doubt that part of our fascination with the pianist, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
lies in witnessing something very private being revealed in public. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
The business of people playing music, for others listening to music, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
in the ceremony of a concert hall is incredibly important. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
Not only is it some form of social gathering and it's a ritual, but people love to be played to. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:15 | |
People who play music yearn to play for others, so there's an osmosis | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
between performer and audience, which is the heart of music. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
The recordings are fantastic things, incredibly useful, a wonderful gift to a musical civilisation, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:32 | |
but the truth is the danger of the concert, the risk of the theatre of a concert where so much | 0:26:32 | 0:26:38 | |
can go wrong and so much can go mysteriously right. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
Where in the best moments, a magic performer playing a great piece can hypnotise hundreds, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
if not thousands of people and take them to another world and move them very deeply. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
A young pianist who's recently joined the upper echelons | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
of the piano world, is the 22-year-old Chinese virtuoso, Lang Lang. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:02 | |
'Five minutes, please. Five minutes, thank you.' | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
Lang Lang now performs an exhausting schedule of concerts right around the world. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:16 | |
Tomorrow, he's playing in Berlin, but tonight, it's Symphony Hall in Birmingham. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
Talking about performance day which is a great subject to talk. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
It is a little bit hard because now I have 100 concerts a year. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:34 | |
And so basically three days, one concert, plus the travelling. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
It's very different between the performances. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
Before the concert, I rehearse a little bit and normally I like to eat some chocolate or fruit. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:58 | |
Also I just like to stand up, not playing piano, but just thinking about this music | 0:27:58 | 0:28:04 | |
and then start...not conducting, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
because I really don't know how to conduct, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
but something... | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
Look out to the moon and start touching the air. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:19 | |
Sometimes I start thinking about images, or thinking about | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
a good vacation, lying on a beach or in a mountain. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
Basically thinking about nature. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
Sometimes I even play with closed eyes and it's very helpful. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:40 | |
Very helpful. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:41 | |
'All soloists, this is your call to the stage, please. Thank you.' | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
Perhaps I don't think I need to be nervous. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:10 | |
Even when you're nervous, it can start to help you. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
Please go, I don't want to be late! | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Maybe the first time I performed, you're quite nervous when you walk the stage. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:32 | |
Then you see the audience, the piano, the light in the concert hall, it is very warm. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:39 | |
For me, that's the reason I love to perform. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
When I was five, I gave the first recital. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
In the beginning, I was nervous because I didn't know what the stage was like. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:04 | |
The stage lights are there, it's very beautiful. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
Basically it is big yellow shining lights | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
and then you don't feel any cold, or any nervousness. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
It feels like home sweet home. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
This piece, it's the Beethoven Piano Concerto Number Four. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
It's quite a religious piece. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
It is very mysterious and the second movement is like a mystery. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:16 | |
It's like how to solve mystery. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
It is like, kind of a pre-movement. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
Then I think the most sad thing is the end of the piece. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:47 | |
This note... | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
It is dead inside. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
I do find it easy to play, but I certainly find to play the piano | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
is such an enjoyable thing to do in life. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
Sometimes I'm tired, but after I play a few notes... | 0:34:32 | 0:34:38 | |
Those don't count, but I play something! | 0:34:38 | 0:34:43 | |
Then I'm like... It's like I get out from a vacation for 10 days. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:49 | |
It is that kind of freshness. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
Are you cultivating a personality for your concert performances? | 0:35:39 | 0:35:44 | |
I don't want to play concerts. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
I don't like to dress up. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
I don't imagine myself going on with tails and flapping out of the seat! | 0:35:48 | 0:35:55 | |
I play in a BHS shirt! | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
Totally casual I suppose. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
I tried all my life to find the best way of feeling well-disposed for a concert. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:09 | |
I spend the day eating a big steak at luncheon, I lie down to rest. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:15 | |
I read a book, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
I go for a short walk, I had slept 10 hours that night. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
Everything that a little good boy should do, yes? | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
In the evening, I come out and suddenly, something drops in me. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:31 | |
There is no inspiration, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
not a real wish to play. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
On other days, I arrive half dead from a trip. I hadn't slept, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:41 | |
it was very inconvenient, they didn't give me any good things to eat. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:46 | |
I'm nervous, very restless, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
I feel weak, I imagine some pains in my arm, a headache. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:56 | |
I come out to the audience and all those things drop from me | 0:36:56 | 0:37:02 | |
and I'm the highest of spirits. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
Jo MacGregor, one of Britain's most innovative and popular classical | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
musicians, is playing one of the keyboard masterpieces, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
Bach's Goldberg Variations, at London's Wigmore Hall. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
I've waited a long time to play this piece. I've had the score of it for 20 years. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:30 | |
I didn't think I was anywhere near ready to play this. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
Obviously, I've known the two Glenn Gould recordings since I was young. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
I have lots of recordings of people playing it. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
I just waited until I thought the time was right for me to start playing. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
I always think of these pieces as you make these friendships. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
You take them into your life, if nothing too bad goes wrong with the piece first time round, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:06 | |
you go, OK, you're part of my life and come back to them. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
Your relationship with them gets deeper and deeper. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
There's an element of... | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
a spiritual connection that you have with these pieces. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:19 | |
When you practise the piano for hours every day, for months and years, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
which is what you're doing, even when travelling, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
there are certain parts of you that become very focused. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
You learn to deal with solitude, learn to... | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
direct your time on your own. You become very self-sufficient. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
You also begin to have a strong fantasy life. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
You have a strong creative landscape. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
You become somebody who reacts strongly to pieces | 0:39:49 | 0:39:55 | |
and you extract things from them that can only come because you've spent hundreds of hours on these pieces. | 0:39:55 | 0:40:01 | |
That's what the audience sees on stage. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
You have to be not mad while you're doing it too. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
You have to keep things in proportion. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
You feel very cut off | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
sometimes when you're playing and become so... | 0:40:37 | 0:40:42 | |
self-critical, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:43 | |
so hard on yourself if things don't go well. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:48 | |
That can be hard. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:49 | |
I've always thought that pianists, like boxers, should have trainers in the corner. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:01 | |
You go back to them after each piece and they go, "You're doing really well!" | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
You don't have that, as a pianist, you're on your own. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
You do it for yourself and have to be very strong. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
It's interesting to me how you... | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
you think to yourself, "I want to be a pianist. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
"Lots of people have played this, lots of people I've admired." | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
How do you make it your own, the pieces? Is that easy to do? | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
Well, the Chopin Ballade, I've got about...ten recordings of it. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:28 | |
I listen to all of them. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
From them, I get my own interpretation of it. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
What do you think it is that you want to bring to those pieces when you listen? | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
What is it that you have to offer do you think? | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
-It's got to sound natural. -What do you mean by natural? | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
If it doesn't sound convincing, you can do anything, but if it sounds convincing it will sound all right. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:52 | |
So I suppose you think of your interpretation and keep practising it. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:58 | |
Make the piece your own. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
There's one bit... | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
Rubinstein goes like that. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
I prefer it to go... | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
So, we all do it differently I suppose. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
Rachmaninov's second piano concerto is one of the most popular | 0:43:51 | 0:43:55 | |
and frequently performed pieces in the repertoire. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
The challenge for every pianist is to somehow forge a fresh interpretation. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:03 | |
Top British pianist, Stephen Hough, received widespread acclaim for his recent Rachmaninov recording - | 0:44:12 | 0:44:19 | |
an interpretation in the spirit of the composer's own playing. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
Today he's rehearsing the work with conductor Richard Hickox and the National Orchestra Of Wales. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:28 | |
Rachmaninov's second is perhaps the most popular piano concerto | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
because it's just a most beautiful piece of music. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
It's filled with gorgeous tunes and everyone loves a great melody. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:43 | |
The piece is fascinating for all sorts of reasons, partly because of its popularity. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
Something that, 100 years after it was written, is still the most popular concerto. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:52 | |
It has to be doing something right. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
It's a very well-constructed piece. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
I don't think there are any bars in it that you feel could be cut. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
It's very exciting. It's a wonderful piece to sit in an audience and listen to. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:06 | |
We know that Rachmaninov was a nervous performer. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
We're told that sometimes he had to be pushed onto the platform. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
He was terrified of playing in public. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
I have a personal feeling about the piece. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
It's perfect for the nervous pianist because it begins with some chords to warm up, to feel the instrument. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:25 | |
You're sitting down at the piano and thinking, what's this like? | 0:45:25 | 0:45:29 | |
You're playing these chords to feel the instrument. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
Then you reach the big one. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:36 | |
From that moment, you can't hear the piano for another two minutes. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
He's playing lots of notes, warming his fingers, but he's given this luscious theme to the orchestra. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:55 | |
They're covering him, perhaps deliberately, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
because you always are nervous - am I warmed up enough? | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
Here you try the piano out, play for two minutes without anyone | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
hearing whether you're playing any wrong notes. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
Then you have a glorious melody to prove what a marvellous lyrical gift you have. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:22 | |
Whenever I learn a new piece for the first time, I've got to want to play it. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:49 | |
That is the first stage. If you want to play a piece because you love it | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
and feel you have something to say about it, it's a good start. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
It's not the sort of inspiration when you're sitting in a field, looking at the sky thinking | 0:46:59 | 0:47:05 | |
artistic thoughts. It's graft. It's sitting on a piano stool with a piano there, a pencil and a score, | 0:47:05 | 0:47:12 | |
cutting through the thicket of this music and finding your way to the heart of what the music is about. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:18 | |
This is hard work. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
For me, to avoid listening to too many other recordings or performances is essential. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:47 | |
To know the tradition and the tradition of Rachmaninov, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:52 | |
of the composer's own style of playing and the pianist that he liked, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
but once you have that language, you have to speak your own words with it. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
I hope that having something original to say makes it worth going to the other side of the world | 0:48:10 | 0:48:16 | |
and stepping out onto the stage and wanting to share what I feel about piece with the audience. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:23 | |
I think this burning quality, this compulsion to play, it should be there in every human being. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:39 | |
In order to live a full life, you have to burn about something. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:45 | |
Let's not pretend that this is a nicely air-conditioned room. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:55 | |
This is a furnace at times and so it should be. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
You're dealing with things which are at the heart of what it means to live a meaningful life. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
Fantastic. Thank you, Stephen. Bravo! | 0:49:34 | 0:49:38 | |
Stephen Hough is one of Benjamin Grosvenor's two favourite pianists, the other is Yevgeny Kissin. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:45 | |
I admire Kissin's phenomenal technique. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
It's amazing really. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
It's to be in awe of. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:54 | |
I like the sound he creates. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
He can play extremely fast and can get round notes octaves down the piano. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:04 | |
He's extremely confident on the stage. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
He is known to have nerves of steel! | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
Kissin started the piano earlier than I did. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
I know that he was always doing technical exercises like thirds and tenths. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:20 | |
I'm always preparing pieces and I don't get time to do the technical exercises. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
He did the two Chopin piano concerto's when he was 12. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
I'm going to do that next autumn. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
I'm trying to follow in his footsteps. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
I'm a bit behind him. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
Russian prodigy, Yevgeny Kissin, exploded onto the world stage | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
in the 1990s, astounding audiences with the physical virtuosity of his playing. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:54 | |
He was the first ever solo artist to perform an entire prom concert at the Royal Albert Hall. | 0:50:54 | 0:51:00 | |
For young players like Benjamin Grosvenor, Kissin is undoubtedly the pianist pin-up of the moment. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:06 | |
I've been very lucky because from since when I was a child, I was in very good hands. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:12 | |
My teachers as well as those of my parents. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
Looking back, I realised that... | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
..they brought me up in the right way. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:31 | |
I became famous quite early. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
And... | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
they realised how a child should be brought up in such circumstances. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:45 | |
They kept criticising me all the time, | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
and looking back I realised that was the right thing to do. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
However, I also know that by nature, | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
I have never been ambitious, let alone vain. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:03 | |
So... | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
As far as I can remember, I never really cared | 0:52:07 | 0:52:13 | |
when other people used to speak about me and my playing | 0:52:13 | 0:52:19 | |
in some lofty terms. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
As I say, what I cared about most was music itself, music as such. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:29 | |
Usually, the number... | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
..of my concerts remains below 50 per year. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:41 | |
The paradox is that I love playing in public. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:48 | |
On the other hand, | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
each concert...is an event for me. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
I could also say that each concert is a stress for me. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:59 | |
Kissin is notorious for his total dedication and note-perfect performances. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:06 | |
This afternoon, he's rehearsing hard in an empty Royal Festival Hall for the evening's recital. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:12 | |
I give a lot. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
I give everything I have at that particular moment during my concerts. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:48 | |
So, I need some time | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
to sort of refill myself. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
I often have problems falling asleep afterwards. Why? | 0:54:01 | 0:54:06 | |
Do I keep hearing the music I played a few hours earlier in my ears? | 0:54:06 | 0:54:14 | |
No, not necessarily. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
Do I keep thinking about it? No. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
During my concerts, my adrenalin boils | 0:54:23 | 0:54:28 | |
to such a high temperature that it takes a while for it to cool down. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:34 | |
Also, after my concerts... | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
..when I put on my trousers, I realise each time that I've lost weight. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:48 | |
Sometimes, I'm being asked if I ever want to escape from music | 0:54:58 | 0:55:05 | |
and my answer is no. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
I simply wouldn't find it possible. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:13 | |
Even if I don't touch the piano for several weeks in a row, that doesn't mean that I'm escaping from music. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:20 | |
Music is always in me | 0:55:20 | 0:55:24 | |
and will always remain there. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
This is the way I am. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
Why do we try to communicate something? | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
Why do people still come and want to be communicated, want to receive a message? | 0:56:14 | 0:56:19 | |
That is the main question. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
Art is not just entertainment. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
I never thought that from my childhood. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
Art is something terribly essential, terribly important. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
It communicates something eternal. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
When it doesn't, then it's entertainment. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:38 | |
When I make music, | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
it is so heavenly. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
I am in love with music. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
Actually, when I play, I make love. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
It is the same thing. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
If there's one thing that unites all of these pianists, it must be their absolute and obsessive commitment. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:08 | |
The great technical challenge of the piano, is that basically | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
it's a machine, you press a key and it makes a sound. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:20 | |
What pianists do, is dedicate their waking life, | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
practically their whole being, into battling with this machine, to make that sound their own. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:30 | |
It's a subtle and yet superhuman struggle | 0:57:30 | 0:57:34 | |
and it's this struggle that can make the performance of great pianists feel so close to musical perfection. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:40 | |
Benjamin, of course, will never need to find out how to be a great pianist. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:47 | |
He'll either be one or he won't. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
You can see more of Benjamin Grosvenor's Proms performance | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
when he returns to the Royal Albert Hall | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
and is joined by the National Youth Orchestra of Great Britain. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
That's on BBC2 on 13th August. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
E-mail [email protected] | 0:58:18 | 0:58:23 |