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This programme contains some strong language.

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MUSIC PLAYS

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Thank you.

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25 years ago I had the good fortune of playing a character in a film called Midnight Cowboy.

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I was rehearsing this speech here yesterday

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and I came in here today and just found out that the wonderful,

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lovely, talented man who sang "Everybody's Talkin'"

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in that movie, Harry Nilsson, died today.

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And it would seem weird not to have an appropriate moment for him.

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He was a great artist.

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# Everybody's talkin' at me

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# I don't hear a word they're sayin'

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# Only the echoes of my mind... #

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Most of the time when I mention him people go, "Who?"

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When you say, "Harry Nilsson, " everybody says, "No, Harry Nilsson?"

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Either they get it right away, or they have no idea.

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# Can't live... If living is without you

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# I can't live... #

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He was the closest thing to an American version of the Beatles.

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# I can't live

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# If living is without you... #

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Beautiful, beautiful voice.

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Soft, velvety.

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And you'd have your headphones on and that voice would come through.

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You almost couldn't play, cos it was so beautiful. Seriously beautiful.

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To me he was always like a fallen angel, so there was this weird combination of

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something heavenly and beatific about him, and then just dirt... and darkness.

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# One is the loneliest number

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# That you'll ever do... #

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Harry would turn up at your door,

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at four o'clock in the morning, and you kinda knew that the next three days of your life

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were going to be an adventure.

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I defer, Harry. Man, I don't know how far you want me to go with this!

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He spent most of his life in pursuit of a good time,

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and he caught it, and, uh, it caught him in the end.

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# The lime and the coconut You take them both together

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# Put the lime and the coconut and you'll feel better... #

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So who was Harry Nilsson, and why is everyone talking about him?

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Well, he was one of the most gifted and certainly the most wayward singer-songwriter of his generation.

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From the moment they first heard him sing, the Beatles declared him

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their soulmate, and their favourite American performer.

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But the man with the bewitching voice was also his own worst enemy.

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It was John Lennon who teamed up with Nilsson in Los Angeles in 1973,

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ostensibly to collaborate on a new album.

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But the pair of them promptly embarked on a notorious round of binge-drinking and drug-taking

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culminating in the now-infamous denouement at the Troubadour nightclub in West Hollywood.

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Tonight, the film-maker John Scheinfeld paints a vivid portrait

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for Imagine of a man known to many as "the missing Beatle".

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Our story begins here in Brooklyn, in Harry's troubled childhood home.

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'I was born Harry Edward Nilsson III on Father's Day, 1941.'

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# Well, in 1941 a happy father had a son

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# And by 1944 the father walked right out the door

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# And in '45 the mom and son were still alive

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# But who could tell in '46 if the two were to survive? #

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It seems to me that it's pretty clear that Harry

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was profoundly disturbed by the fact that he was abandoned by his father.

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To not have had all the conversations,

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with a father, that one would want,

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creates quite a longing heart.

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And he had that.

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Harry, I think, really fought for legitimacy,

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in many ways, fought hard for it.

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'My mother and I lived in an upstairs apartment with six rooms.

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'We lived with my grandmother, my grandfather, two uncles, and my sister, when she was born.

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'That's the way we lived.

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'Crowded, but busy enough not to get bored.

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'I think my mother was always like, she wasn't

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'a stage mother or anything, but I think she, herself, wanted to be in show business at one time.

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'I think that rubbed off on me and, uh, when I was a little child

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'they used to put me on the piano and have me sing songs to the adults, you know.

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'I used to lie in bed when I was about 10 or 11, in the solitude of the small, dark room in Brooklyn.

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'If I wasn't counting to a million or to infinity, I would put

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'a pillow over my head and put on a show for an invisible audience.

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' "And now presenting, me, doing my impression of the great Al Jolson."

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'Then I would mime Al Jolson, # Mammy, how I love you, now I love you... #

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' "Let me ask you, Harry Nilsson, can you do James Cagney?"

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-' "You dirty rat." '

-I know it was difficult for him.

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I mean, his mom was an alcoholic.

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She ultimately got sober and...very fascinating woman.

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When you met her you could see where Harry came from,

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cos she was like a bigger version of Harry in a lot of ways, that same kind of outwardness and interest.

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She did pretty much whatever she had to do to survive.

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She took whatever job she had to, she lived where she had to.

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She even had to write some checks

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that, uh, didn't always find their way to the bank and get paid.

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But at one point they needed the rent money and, uh, he held up a liquor store.

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I don't know if you know that story or not?

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For 17, and, "Give me 17dollars," you know.

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# The years went passing quickly

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# But not fast enough for him

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# So he closed his eyes till '55

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# Then he opened them up again

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# Then when he looked around he saw a clown

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# And the clown seemed very gay

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# And he said, "I'd like to join that circus clown and run away... #

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'It was 1957.

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'It was June, a hot June.

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'I lost my job as a caddy because of a fight - pushing and

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'shoving, nothing bad, but enough for the Caddy Master to fire me.

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'When I went home that night, I told my aunt and uncle what had happened.

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'And during dinner, my uncle said, "Skeeter, I don't know how to say

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' "this gracefully, but I don't think we can afford you."

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'I didn't hesitate.

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'I simply said, "You won't have to worry about me any more."

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'I left the house feeling like Holden Caulfield - half sad, half scared, half itching to get on the road

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'and start an adventure across country, which would last me a lifetime.

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'I was 15.'

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# Well, he followed every railroad track and every highway sign

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# And he had a girl in each new town

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# And the towns he left behind

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# And the open road Was the only road he knew

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# But the colour of his dream Was slowly turning into blue... #

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'I just turned 18 and I was a dropout.

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'I worked at the Paramount Theatre in Los Angeles for three years, as assistant manager.

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'Anyway, the cashiers were going to work for banks and I figured since I was their boss,

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'and I could reconcile books, so I went and made an application.

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'I wasn't actually a banker.

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'I used to run a computer centre where 132 people were working

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'on what we laughingly called the swing shift, you know.

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'But I supervised the handling of about 200 million a night in cheques.

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'I'd get off work around one o'clock in the morning and, uh, go to the bar...

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'They're open until two in Los Angeles.

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'And drink very quickly. I'd write songs all night.

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'In the daytime I'd hustle the songs.

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'I used to do demos, and did jingles,

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'and hung around with people who were in the business.

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'You meet one, he introduces you to a friend who knows a songwriter, and then knows a producer...

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'And then the ultimate test is when you say, "Can I play you this?" '

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The Monkees were recording an album called Headquarters.

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And, uh, it was the first album that we had been allowed

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to choose all our own material and record everything ourselves.

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I don't remember what happened behind the scenes, but this

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kid showed up, named Harry Nilsson, with a song called Cuddly Toy.

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# You're not the only cuddly toy

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# That was every enjoyed by any boy

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# You're not the only choo-choo train

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# That was left out in the rain The day after Santa came...

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# You're not the only cherry delight

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# That was left in the night And gave up without a fight

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# You're not the only cuddly toy

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That was ever enjoyed by any boy. #

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When Davy Jones said he would, uh, record Cuddly Toy,

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the music publisher that was there, Lester Sill was the guy's name,

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he says, we walked outside in the parking lot and Lester said, "You can quit the bank."

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Ladies and gentlemen, in the center ring, presenting Nilsson

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and his Shandimanium Shadow Po!

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LAUGHTER

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It was difficult to find the right niche.

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It wasn't until he went over to RCA and got with Rick Jarrard.

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I think that Rick Jarrard really played a very important part in his success.

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I felt that Harry had incredible potential,

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that Harry could be a monster artist.

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And frankly, I was probably the only one that really believed that, because he was so different.

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# Years ago I knew a man

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# He was my mother's biggest fan

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# We used to walk beside the sea And he'd tell me how life would be

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# When I grew up to be a man... #

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I think we were at least up to eight-track

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by then, if not 16-track, and he could overdub himself.

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And he was so good at that.

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Sang wonderful harmony lines off the top of his head.

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His voice blended great with himself

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and it just helped open up a whole new area for us to explore.

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A particular record was released, with a lot of these over-dubs,

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and a critic in reviewing the album said,

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"It was a wonderful album and I love the music, but Nilsson should have credited the background singers.

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"They were so great." Not realizing the background singers were Nilsson!

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BACKGROUND SINGING

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I remember at the time saying, "Harry, be careful crossing the street.

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"Be careful just walking around, cos this is going to be a big career and we need you around."

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SCREAMING

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# Get out those disco bonnets

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# Here comes the plane with the Beatles on it

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# Look at John, Paul, George and Ringo

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# One of them's taken but three are single

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# Two bits, four bits, six bits, a dollar

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# All for music... #

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I was still working at the bank. I hated the Beatles, because I thought, they're beating me to the punch.

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And then it was that moment when you said, you're either with 'em or agin 'em.

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I decided to go for the latter and I said "Yeah, they really are that good."

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We'd be arguing about The Beatles and he'd say, "The Beatles are the only band.

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"There's only one band.

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"That's the Beatles. No-one else matters."

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See, I just assumed that people would discover you.

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That they, they would spot in you the talent that I knew I had.

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So one day, I was early, this was five in the morning,

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I got a phone call and there's this voice, long distance,

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"Hello? Hello." "Who is it?"

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"This is John." "John who?"

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"It's John Lennon." "Is this really John?"

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And he says, "Yeah, I just wanted to say, you're fantastic, man,"

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I been listening to you all weekend, it's great, great, you're just fantastic."

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Uh, the following Monday, I got a phone call from Paul, "How are you?

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"Just calling to say you're fantastic, you know? You're great."

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"I really love what you did on all that stuff, you know,

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"Derek played it for us, and I hope to see you soon."

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Clunk. The next Monday morning I got up, combed my hair,

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five o'clock in the morning waiting for a call from Ringo. There was no call.

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But he ended up being our best man at our wedding, so that's OK.

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I would like to spend a few minutes and talk about song construction,

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which is one of the most important parts of songwriting.

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For any aspiring songwriters in the audience, I have a few comments to make.

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First of all, uh, in construction,

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I might say that you have to get to know your song.

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Take it apart, put it back together again,

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keep it clean cos someday in combat it might save your life.

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And that's the... Yes. LAUGHTER

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# Listen to the wailing of the willow

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# Listen to me crying on my pillow

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# Crying for I know my love has gone from me... #

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I thought this was going to be really easy,

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cos I just walked out of the bank, and into

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the recording business, and suddenly I was getting phone calls from Otto Preminger and John Lennon.

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And it was just, "Well, that all there is to it?

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"Nothing to it. Fantastic, I think I'll stay."

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He gained a lot of confidence from that first album,

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a lot of confidence.

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I think finally realised what he could do,

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and what he could be, as an artist, and still remaining honest

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and true to himself.

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There was always a whimsical quality to Harry,

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but the thing that I loved most is the sweetness.

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It was a sweetness and joy and sense of the world and nature,

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like when he writes about his desk.

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You know, he brings things to life. It had that sense

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of whatever he touched or wrote about suddenly sparkled.

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# Now my old desk never needs a rest

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# And I've never once heard it cry

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# I've never seen it tease

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# It's always there to please me from nine to five

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# Such a comfort to know

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# It's dependable and slow

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# But it's always there

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# Well, it's the one friend I've got

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# A giant of our times

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# My good old desk

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# Ooh, wah-wah, wah-wah Wah-wah-wah-wah... #

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I just made that up.

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Good Old Desk was G-O-D.

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That was Harry's way of talking about God.

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He had a lot of conflicts about all of that business

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and so he wrote a song called Good Old Desk.

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And that's the way his mind worked. And I loved that.

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I thought that was just so original.

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MUSIC: INTRO TO "One"

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I was dialling a telephone, I got a busy signal and it was going "beep, beep, beep..."

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# One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do... #

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I just let it stay busy and just wrote it on the phone,

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while I was listening to this busy signal.

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# It's the loneliest number since the number one... #

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He just came on the scene, you know, blasted onto the scene

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and he just started influencing people.

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I'm sure he influenced The Beatles as much as they influenced him.

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Well, everybody's records influence all the minds, you know, at once.

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Everything influences everything. Nilsson's my favourite group.

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# Dreams are nothing more than wishes And a wish is just a dream... #

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The Beatles endorsed Harry. They called him their favourite group.

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Harry was their favourite group.

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I think he was quite pleased about that.

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They, you know, pronounced him to the world and said,

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"Listen to this man" and we did.

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That's one of the first times I've ever seen him,

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kind of, patting himself on the back, and tooting his own horn.

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He said, "You know, they, they think I'm like the fifth Beatle.".

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I got a phone call, and it was from Derek Taylor.

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And, uh, Derek said,

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"Harry, the lads, the boys, would like you

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"to come over and join them at a session they're recording at Abbey Road."

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I thought, "My Jesus. This is about as good as it gets."

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That first night, in London, I spent at John Lennon's house.

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He gives me a hug and he smiled and he put me at ease instantly.

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So, for some reason I thought I could say anything in front of this man and it would be OK.

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That night we spent the entire night with a little help

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from our friends, talking, just sitting and talking,

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all night, till dawn, till seven or eight o'clock in the morning.

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And John and I are on, and on, and on

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about marriage, life, death, divorce, women,

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what's it all about? What are we doing?

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I think that Harry had an incredible respect for John.

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He was like a fan, you know.

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But, um...

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And John loved him too, so...

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it was a good kind of combination, I think.

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He said that he and John were a lot alike,

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that they'd had similar childhoods.

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And, um, I wasn't surprised by that.

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Cos it was clear that John had a lot of anger.

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He didn't hide that. Harry hid it, but John didn't.

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So, I thought that was very interesting.

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Harry, after he went over to England, and was with The Beatles,

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or with John - I really don't know which - he changed.

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He changed and became somebody else that I no longer knew.

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# The willow weeps And having wept can weep no more

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# But still it cries for me It cries in sympathy

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# It knows that you are gone

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# Don't leave me, baby... #

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Out of the blue, I got a telegram that said,

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"I'm finding another producer."

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And, basically, that was the end of Harry's and my relationship.

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And that's a pretty stunning statement to make,

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and I hesitated to say it, but facts are facts and that's what happened.

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I never saw Harry again after that telegram, never spoke to him, never saw him.

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Not out of malice from my point,

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we just never ran into each other or anything.

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I think if I did I would have said, "What was that all about?"

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# Everybody's talkin' at me

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# I don't hear a word they're sayin'

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# Only the echoes of my mind... #

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It was impossible not to be aware of Harry after Midnight Cowboy,

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because that song went everywhere.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. I was a big Nilsson fan. Ever since Midnight Cowboy.

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I mean, how could... His most famous song and he didn't write it.

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I love the irony of that and he would have appreciated that.

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# I'm goin' where the sun keeps shining

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# Through the pourin' rain... #

0:21:580:22:01

He was a brilliant interpreter.

0:22:010:22:04

So he could take that Fred Neil song and make it his own.

0:22:040:22:07

Everybody's Talkin' was not written for Midnight Cowboy.

0:22:070:22:12

It was Harry's single, and it had been out before the film.

0:22:120:22:16

I was approached by Jerry Hellman and John Schlesinger,

0:22:160:22:19

and asked if I'd be interested in writing a title song for Midnight Cowboy.

0:22:190:22:23

They showed me four reels of uncut material, and I thought, "What?

0:22:230:22:28

"This could be the best movie ever made! This is incredible!" I said, "You bet, you bet."

0:22:280:22:32

He wrote I Guess The Lord Must Be In New York City.

0:22:320:22:35

They also went to Bob Dylan, asked him to write a song.

0:22:350:22:38

I understand Dylan wrote Lay, Lady, Lay.

0:22:380:22:41

They also went to Joni Mitchell and asked her to write a song.

0:22:410:22:44

All of them submitted songs to the producers.

0:22:440:22:46

They listened to all the songs and after hearing all this...

0:22:460:22:50

They stuck with Everybody's Talkin', which they had been using as a temporary track

0:22:500:22:54

until they found a song for it. They just got so used to it

0:22:540:22:57

that they didn't want to drop it, and they left it in. Thank you very much.

0:22:570:23:01

Midnight Cowboy won the Oscar for the Best Picture of the year.

0:23:010:23:04

At the same time,

0:23:040:23:06

Harry won the Grammy for the Best Contemporary Vocal Performance.

0:23:060:23:10

# Everybody's talkin' at me

0:23:100:23:14

# Can't hear a word they're sayin'

0:23:140:23:18

# Only the echoes of my mind

0:23:180:23:24

# I won't let you leave my love behind

0:23:240:23:31

# No, I won't let you leave

0:23:320:23:39

# Ohhh, ahhh

0:23:390:23:47

# I won't let you leave... #

0:23:470:23:50

-Hello?

-'Hi, is this Harry?'

-Yes.

-'Hi, um, I was going to ask you something.'

0:23:500:23:55

Well, why didn't you?

0:23:550:23:57

-When are you going to have a concert?

-Oh, I don't do concerts That's for other people that want to.

0:23:570:24:01

-'Oh...you're not going to have a concert ever?'

-No.

0:24:010:24:04

Many, many people are curious why Harry never performed live,

0:24:050:24:11

didn't make touring a part of his career.

0:24:110:24:14

Didn't go on the road and all of those issues.

0:24:140:24:17

And there are many, many, many answers,

0:24:170:24:20

which are interesting and valid.

0:24:200:24:23

Harry was the most insecure person I've ever known.

0:24:230:24:26

He just didn't have any self-esteem.

0:24:260:24:29

He was quite shy. And I don't think he believed

0:24:290:24:31

that anyone would particularly want to see him on stage.

0:24:310:24:35

He was terrified.

0:24:350:24:37

And I... I don't remember exactly why,

0:24:390:24:43

but he was terrified to do a live performance.

0:24:430:24:48

If the way to become a rock star was to make an album,

0:24:480:24:53

and then go and promote the album, and then go out on tour,

0:24:530:24:56

Harry figured, "I'm going to do it another way.

0:24:560:24:59

"I'm going to find a way to do it. You don't have to go on tour."

0:24:590:25:02

Part of it was about just proving that you didn't have to do it.

0:25:020:25:06

There are very few guys that have had the success that he had

0:25:060:25:10

without doing that, and he almost pulled it off.

0:25:100:25:14

Well, he did pull it off. We're sitting here doing this documentary.

0:25:140:25:19

-I mean...!

-HE CHUCKLES

0:25:190:25:22

# Well, isn't it nice the parents would say

0:25:220:25:25

# Well, isn't it nice you've got someone

0:25:250:25:28

# Someone to idolise

0:25:280:25:32

# He must look twice his size

0:25:320:25:34

# I think it's great you're going through a phase... #

0:25:340:25:41

Harry was offered a BBC special, to be produced by Stanley Dorfman,

0:25:410:25:45

who was doing the In Concert series. And in concert means IN CONCERT!

0:25:450:25:49

That means there would be an audience, but Harry didn't do audiences.

0:25:490:25:53

And I said he could do anything he wanted.

0:25:530:25:55

this is BBC, it's not like American television.

0:25:550:25:58

You literally can have the freedom of the studio.

0:25:580:26:01

Once he realised he could come and play, have more of less control of what he wanted to do,

0:26:010:26:06

he said, "Yeah, why not?"

0:26:060:26:08

# Laa, la, la, la

0:26:080:26:12

# Oh, ra, ra-ra-ra-rah

0:26:120:26:14

# Ra, da, da, da Rah-da-da-dah

0:26:140:26:17

# Da, da-doh, da Da, doh-doh, da-dum... #

0:26:170:26:20

We went into a studio

0:26:380:26:40

and one afternoon we made up a show with Harry at the piano.

0:26:400:26:48

He'd do a song and say, "Well, what should we do now?"

0:26:500:26:53

Then he said, "Well, let's do three Harrys."

0:26:530:26:56

# Come on, baby Let the good times roll

0:26:560:27:00

# Come on, baby Let me thrill your soul

0:27:000:27:03

# Yeah, come on baby Let the good times roll

0:27:030:27:07

# Roll all night long

0:27:070:27:12

# Come on, baby Yes, this is real

0:27:120:27:15

# Come on, baby Show me how you feel

0:27:150:27:18

# Yeah, come on, baby Let the good times roll

0:27:180:27:22

# Roll all night long. #

0:27:220:27:24

It was extremely creative from Harry's point of view.

0:27:250:27:30

He was having fun and that's the only way he'd do television.

0:27:300:27:33

# Roll on, roll on, roll on roll on. #

0:27:330:27:37

Um, let's see. I think I'll tell stories about marriage.

0:27:470:27:51

# Life isn't easy when two are divided

0:27:530:27:55

# When one has decided to bring down the curtain

0:27:550:27:58

# And one thing's for certain

0:27:580:28:00

# There's nothing to keep them together. #

0:28:000:28:02

Most people don't know it, but in 1964, Harry got married for the first time.

0:28:020:28:07

The marriage didn't last long, and there were no children.

0:28:070:28:10

Her name was Sandy and I said, "What was that like?"

0:28:100:28:13

He said, "I just did that to get out of the war."

0:28:130:28:15

Obviously, you know, I mean, she was a nice girl.

0:28:150:28:18

I don't know what happened, but that's how he would meet.

0:28:180:28:21

"I just married her to get out of the war."

0:28:210:28:23

So, I guess that was another painful thing.

0:28:230:28:26

He just had a way of doing that.

0:28:260:28:27

If it was painful or he didn't want to talk about it,

0:28:270:28:30

he'd have one-liners that would dismiss it, subject closed.

0:28:300:28:33

# Love when it started was easy to measure

0:28:330:28:36

# Each day was a pleasure

0:28:360:28:38

# Each night an adventure

0:28:380:28:39

# Each morning was something that had to be shared together

0:28:390:28:45

# Love when it's growing is full of surprises

0:28:450:28:48

# Its temperature rises from higher to higher

0:28:480:28:50

# That turns into fire that has to be shared together. #

0:28:500:28:57

Harry got married for a second time New Years Eve of 1969,

0:28:570:29:01

in Vegas, when he married Diane.

0:29:010:29:04

Harry and Diane did have a child, a child named Zak.

0:29:040:29:08

Zachary Nine, N-I-N-E, Nilsson.

0:29:080:29:10

# Little fella, you're so tired you can hardly lift your head

0:29:100:29:19

# But you wanna hear a story before you go to bed

0:29:190:29:26

# So if you'll be quiet and listen patiently

0:29:260:29:34

# I'll sing you a song that my mother sang to me. #

0:29:340:29:43

My dad wrote this thing on a piece of paper,

0:29:430:29:46

for when I was a baby.

0:29:460:29:48

It was just a note to me, even though I couldn't read, or you know,

0:29:480:29:52

wasn't old enough to understand it or anything.

0:29:520:29:55

He wrote this note which basically told me how much he loved me,

0:29:550:29:59

and reading it now, uh, it just makes me realise that he really did.

0:29:590:30:05

"Dear Zak, I stood over you

0:30:050:30:07

"and watched you sleep for 30 minutes this morning.

0:30:070:30:11

"Someday you'll know how I feel as I write these words.

0:30:110:30:13

"You're beautiful.

0:30:130:30:15

"You moved your toes and feet proportionally to the noise I made.

0:30:150:30:19

"You were on top of your blanket, an orange blanket with yellow daisies.

0:30:190:30:22

"Your pacifier was an inch from your mouth.

0:30:220:30:25

"It had obviously been released with sleep.

0:30:250:30:27

"I love you, Big Daddy Schmilsson."

0:30:270:30:30

So, you know, to write something like that...

0:30:320:30:35

..obviously there's something there.

0:30:360:30:38

I don't think Harry was ready to be a father.

0:30:410:30:44

I think he liked the idea,

0:30:440:30:47

but the reality of parenting was just too much for him.

0:30:470:30:53

He didn't, he didn't have the time, or the capacity to do that.

0:30:530:30:59

And he just mostly was absent.

0:31:010:31:03

Part of him wanted to be a parent,

0:31:050:31:07

part of him wanted to be a partner and married,

0:31:070:31:10

but most of him didn't want to be.

0:31:100:31:12

He wanted to be out carousing with his buddies

0:31:120:31:15

drinking tequila every night.

0:31:150:31:17

He didn't want to be in a relationship.

0:31:170:31:20

There's the 1941 thing, almost mirrored his own life.

0:31:220:31:25

And it's...

0:31:250:31:27

I'm pretty sure that's not how he intended it to be, but it did.

0:31:270:31:32

You know, "In 1941, a happy father had a son,

0:31:320:31:35

in 1944, his father walked right out the door."

0:31:350:31:37

That's almost exactly what happened, except in the '70s.

0:31:370:31:41

He called me one morning and said,

0:32:010:32:03

"I got to come and talk to you."

0:32:030:32:05

So, he came over to my house in Laurel Canyon,

0:32:050:32:08

and asked me if I'd like to produce him,

0:32:080:32:10

and I said, "I would love to, under one condition,

0:32:100:32:14

"that he had to trust me and let me call the shots,"

0:32:140:32:17

which he agreed to.

0:32:170:32:19

One more, put it away.

0:32:190:32:22

-Put it away.

-Let's nail this mother to the wall.

0:32:220:32:25

Richard's a great producer, really talented guy.

0:32:250:32:27

And again, a tough guy in his own way.

0:32:270:32:31

But you needed a tough guy to deal with Harry.

0:32:310:32:35

He could, Harry could run over people,

0:32:350:32:39

and a lot of people he did run over.

0:32:390:32:41

And so he needed a counterweight and Richard was that.

0:32:410:32:44

Harry, don't smoke those.

0:32:440:32:46

THEY LAUGH

0:32:460:32:48

Oh, come on, Mom! I stayed home yesterday.

0:32:480:32:50

When you walked into the studio,

0:32:500:32:52

Richard was in charge and it was wonderful.

0:32:520:32:55

There's like several good takes.

0:32:550:32:57

And it's the kind of thing where, if there's a great second verse,

0:32:570:33:01

it can be used as the first verse of, uh, you know?

0:33:010:33:04

He had the brightness to handpick musicians

0:33:040:33:06

and then allow them to feel at least they were free,

0:33:060:33:09

but you were being

0:33:090:33:12

wonderfully, gently manoeuvred by Richard, you see.

0:33:120:33:16

And then there was Harry who also, you know, knew exactly what he wanted.

0:33:160:33:20

I felt that Harry could be my Beatles,

0:33:200:33:23

and he, in turn, I suppose felt that I could be his George Martin,

0:33:230:33:27

which, I think we did a pretty good job of accomplishing

0:33:270:33:30

on the Nilsson Schmilsson album.

0:33:300:33:32

That was the goal,

0:33:320:33:34

to make as close to a Beatles quality album as possible.

0:33:340:33:38

# Brother bought a coconut

0:33:450:33:47

# He bought it for a dime

0:33:470:33:48

# His sister had another one

0:33:480:33:50

# She paid it for the lime

0:33:500:33:52

# She put the lime in the coconut

0:33:520:33:54

# She drank 'em both up

0:33:540:33:55

# She put the lime in the coconut... #

0:33:550:33:58

He played it for me the first time on guitar

0:33:580:34:01

and he, he just sang it, it was like straight through,

0:34:010:34:05

no changes at all.

0:34:050:34:07

# Put the lime in the coconut

0:34:070:34:09

# You drink 'em both up

0:34:090:34:10

# Put the lime in the coconut

0:34:100:34:12

# You drink 'em both up

0:34:120:34:14

# Put a lime in the coconut

0:34:140:34:16

# And drink 'em both together

0:34:160:34:18

# Put the lime in the coconut

0:34:180:34:20

# Then you feel better. #

0:34:200:34:21

I thought to myself,

0:34:210:34:23

"This song really has the potential to be like a little animated cartoon

0:34:230:34:28

"There's like at least three different characters in the song I can think of."

0:34:280:34:32

I said, "Why don't you use different voices? Think of the doctor like this,

0:34:320:34:36

"'Now let me get this straight, you put the lime in the coconut.'"

0:34:360:34:39

# Now let me get this straight

0:34:390:34:42

# Put the lime in the coconut

0:34:420:34:44

# You drank 'em both up. #

0:34:440:34:45

He responded to it immediately

0:34:450:34:47

and then you get this marvellous theatrical performance

0:34:470:34:52

that has made that song a classic.

0:34:520:34:54

# Ain't there nothing I can take

0:34:570:35:00

# To relieve this belly ache?

0:35:000:35:02

# I said, doctor! Ain't there nothing I can take?

0:35:020:35:05

# I said, doctor!

0:35:050:35:06

# Ain't there nothing I can take? I said, doctor! #

0:35:060:35:09

About halfway through the album we had a difference of opinion

0:35:090:35:13

that didn't, sort of, settle itself easily.

0:35:130:35:16

So, like two proper gentlemen,

0:35:160:35:19

we decided to have a meeting over high tea at the Dorchester Hotel

0:35:190:35:24

to discuss what we were going to do.

0:35:240:35:27

I said, "Harry, you do remember that when you came to me

0:35:270:35:30

"and asked me to produce you, I asked you

0:35:300:35:33

"my only condition was that I would have control, creative control."

0:35:330:35:40

He looks me dead in the face and said,

0:35:400:35:43

"Well, I lied."

0:35:430:35:46

And then, with that, we both looked at our watch

0:35:490:35:51

and realised that we were late for the session

0:35:510:35:54

that he was supposed to do his vocal on Without You.

0:35:540:35:57

Without another word, we jumped into a taxi, ran down to the studio,

0:35:570:36:03

he went right out and sang the vocal that you hear on the record.

0:36:030:36:06

# I can't live

0:36:080:36:13

# If living is without you

0:36:130:36:16

# I can't live... #

0:36:160:36:18

We weren't thinking, "Grammy, here we come." But we thought it'd be nice.

0:36:180:36:22

And while we were in Japan the nominations had come out

0:36:220:36:25

and Album of the Year, Record of the Year,

0:36:250:36:29

Best Male Vocal Performance, Best Engineered Record.

0:36:290:36:32

I mean, whatever category it could have been nominated, it was nominated.

0:36:320:36:35

He was thrilled.

0:36:440:36:46

All of his dreams had come true.

0:36:460:36:50

You know, he wanted to have a huge success.

0:36:500:36:53

He had it.

0:36:530:36:54

After the Nilsson Schmilsson album I think he was, arguably,

0:36:540:36:58

the finest white male singer on the planet.

0:36:580:37:01

Nilsson Schmilsson is a masterpiece,

0:37:010:37:03

and he was pretty crazy,

0:37:030:37:06

but Richard had some control over the situation and that album came out beautifully.

0:37:060:37:12

It was really post Nilsson Schmilsson

0:37:120:37:17

that the troubles set in,

0:37:170:37:19

he didn't want Richard Perry in there.

0:37:190:37:21

He didn't want anybody telling him what to do.

0:37:210:37:25

He was going through a bad period in life,

0:37:250:37:27

and rather than using that to, you know, in a way inspire him,

0:37:270:37:34

or try to be creative with your pain,

0:37:340:37:36

he just let it start the downward spiral that ultimately destroyed him.

0:37:360:37:44

# Down to the bottom

0:37:440:37:46

# To the bottom of a hole

0:37:460:37:48

# I'm goin' down

0:37:480:37:53

# Goin' down. #

0:37:530:37:54

I don't think Harry handled success well.

0:37:540:37:57

I think that the more successful he became, the more he drank.

0:37:570:38:03

He didn't really feel that he deserved the applaud

0:38:030:38:08

and the accreditation he was getting

0:38:080:38:10

and became an alcoholic really,

0:38:100:38:12

just as a sort of a retreat, as a sort of hideaway from that.

0:38:120:38:16

It was frustrating because I... I didn't have enough of a power

0:38:160:38:21

in the relationship to say, "Stop!"

0:38:210:38:23

You know, but I wish I had.

0:38:250:38:27

I don't think Harry expected to live very long.

0:38:290:38:32

Both his parents died in their 50s.

0:38:320:38:36

So, you know, that somehow becomes a factor in how people look at life.

0:38:360:38:41

It was one of those things where he just went like 500mph

0:38:410:38:45

until he stopped, you know?

0:38:450:38:48

Whereas, most people just cruise and speed up and slow down and speed up...

0:38:480:38:53

and then you kind of peter off, and eventually you park.

0:38:530:38:56

But he was just like... Boom!

0:38:560:38:59

# I'm goin' down... #

0:38:590:39:01

We were best pals.

0:39:140:39:16

You know, we hung out together all the time. We travelled together.

0:39:160:39:19

We had a blast. We partied together.

0:39:190:39:23

I mean, there wasn't anything we didn't do together.

0:39:230:39:27

And worked together.

0:39:270:39:29

And I was looking at a lifetime of hits.

0:39:290:39:32

You know, I mean, you know, with the different things that he could do with his voice.

0:39:350:39:40

I mean, just when you... I mean there was no limitation

0:39:400:39:44

as to what, you know, we were capable of.

0:39:440:39:46

I mean, Nilsson Schmilsson was like, the warm up.

0:39:460:39:49

But the second one was Son of Schmilsson,

0:39:490:39:51

and I think the cracks had already started to appear by that time.

0:39:510:39:55

He had just separated and was going through a divorce from his first wife, Diane.

0:39:550:40:00

And it hit him really hard.

0:40:000:40:01

He nurtured it like a serpent to his breast.

0:40:030:40:06

He hated it.

0:40:060:40:08

I'm sure he took it as... if he was a good Catholic boy which I think he essentially was,

0:40:080:40:13

he, um...

0:40:130:40:17

took it as a failure,

0:40:170:40:20

that he ended, uh, in a divorce.

0:40:200:40:24

And it shows in his material, the songs that he would sing.

0:40:240:40:28

# You're breakin' my heart You're tearin' it apart

0:40:300:40:33

# So fuck you... #

0:40:330:40:35

Having a hit single was and still is the greatest promotional vehicle to selling an album.

0:40:370:40:42

And when you're more than capable of churning out material

0:40:420:40:46

that had vast commercial potential, and at the same time was loaded

0:40:460:40:50

with artistic integrity, what does he come up with as the strongest single possibility?

0:40:500:40:54

"You're breaking my heart, you're tearing it apart."

0:40:540:40:57

I won't give you the punch line. You know the song.

0:40:570:40:59

# But fuck you

0:40:590:41:02

# You're breakin' my heart

0:41:050:41:07

-# You're tearin' it apart Ooh ooh.

-#

0:41:070:41:11

Everybody knows the word. It's hypocrisy at its greatest.

0:41:110:41:15

Uh, and it's such a great way to send it up, you know?

0:41:150:41:19

-You're breaking my heart, so

-BLEEP

-you, you know.

0:41:190:41:22

And what do you say? "You're breaking my heart, darn it?"

0:41:220:41:26

That's what he offered as the best, you know, I mean,

0:41:260:41:29

that was his love song to his ex-wife.

0:41:290:41:33

# There's no-one to blame So fuck you! #

0:41:330:41:36

He would show up to the studio with a half bottle of cognac.

0:41:420:41:48

The first half had already been consumed that afternoon.

0:41:480:41:53

He would no longer allow my input into the songs.

0:41:530:41:56

I mean, he would just like come up with a song,

0:41:560:41:59

and I'd say, "Well, can we talk about this?"

0:41:590:42:01

"No. That's the song. That's the vocal."

0:42:010:42:06

And that's why you've got an album that still has

0:42:060:42:12

some lovely moments in it, but I mean, there's no real

0:42:120:42:17

depth or stature to it anywhere near what the Schmilsson album was.

0:42:170:42:22

and I was expecting it to be the next level.

0:42:220:42:25

And so, you know, what's missing here?

0:42:250:42:29

You know, why is this such a sad ending to what could be a tremendous story?

0:42:290:42:35

And it's because, in my way of interpreting it,

0:42:350:42:40

Harry, at that point in life, developed a death wish.

0:42:400:42:45

And, um...he was successful.

0:42:470:42:50

It took him 20 years, but he carried it out.

0:42:500:42:55

I was associated then with drinking and carousing.

0:42:590:43:02

Because Keith Moon's a friend and Ringo's a friend and we have good times.

0:43:020:43:06

People assume you're raising hell if you're having a good time,

0:43:060:43:09

but I promise you we don't raise hell, but we do have a good time.

0:43:090:43:12

Harry didn't stop at alcohol, you know.

0:43:120:43:15

There were dealers all over the city heading for Harry, I think,

0:43:150:43:19

helping him to spend his advances.

0:43:190:43:23

And, you know, Harry was like, he was going the full bore,

0:43:230:43:26

the full like rock n' roll life.

0:43:260:43:28

# You can shake me up

0:43:280:43:31

# Or I can bring you down

0:43:310:43:34

# Whoa

0:43:340:43:38

# Whoa

0:43:380:43:41

# We can make each other happy

0:43:410:43:44

# Oh, we can make each other happy

0:43:440:43:49

# We can make each other happy

0:43:490:43:52

# We can make each other happy Whoa

0:43:520:43:57

Harry would come around and trouble would follow very shortly.

0:43:570:44:01

Oh, dear, um, well,

0:44:010:44:05

I got that call many times.

0:44:050:44:07

I got the call, "What are you doing?"

0:44:070:44:09

That was... the call was a very bad thing.

0:44:090:44:11

I always knew that when Harry called I had to like,

0:44:110:44:14

OK, what am I doing? OK, I'm ready to take the Harry trip,

0:44:140:44:18

you know, get on the Harry ride, you know,

0:44:180:44:20

because it's like a ride where you had no idea where it's gonna go.

0:44:200:44:24

It's not on tracks.

0:44:240:44:26

Some of those Harry tales

0:44:260:44:27

I'll have to be like shock therapy to remember them, you know.

0:44:270:44:31

"Oh, remember that?"

0:44:310:44:33

"Oh! Woo!"

0:44:330:44:34

No, I mean, they're probably out there.

0:44:340:44:38

They're probably lodged somewhere in the cortex, but it'll take...

0:44:380:44:42

Probably years from now I'll go, "Did I really?"

0:44:420:44:45

Yeah. "A weed whacker?"

0:44:450:44:47

-# Oh, Lord!

-What is it?

-I'm full of it!

-Good

0:44:500:44:54

-# Tonight

-Right

0:44:540:44:56

# We'll I've had my share of bad times

0:44:560:44:59

# I've been shooting 'em up Drinking 'em down

0:44:590:45:01

# Takin' them pills Fooling around

0:45:010:45:04

# All my life... #

0:45:040:45:07

John was one of a kind. I mean, there was just no-one like him.

0:45:070:45:10

He was tough as nails.

0:45:100:45:12

He was just fearless and just said what he felt.

0:45:120:45:14

He was always ahead, he was always a couple of steps ahead of you.

0:45:140:45:18

I was just hanging around with Harry Nilsson and people in LA,

0:45:180:45:21

and getting into trouble and every time we go out I end up in the paper.

0:45:210:45:24

I don't know when that happened. It just sort of happened that

0:45:240:45:28

"Raising Hell With Harry" became the catchphrase of the month.

0:45:280:45:31

If he wants to go out to have a drink, it's party time.

0:45:310:45:33

He'll start it.

0:45:330:45:35

You'll get in trouble and he'll walk away scott free, but he started it.

0:45:350:45:39

We're making our big comeback and at the Troubadour

0:45:390:45:43

here in Hollywood and - major opening, I mean,

0:45:430:45:46

the stars were out to see the Smothers Brothers.

0:45:460:45:50

And I was counting on this as a big comeback

0:45:500:45:52

the Troubadour, all the people were invited,

0:45:520:45:55

the Smothers Brothers had been assassinated from television,

0:45:550:45:57

and here they are, they applauded like crazy, we walked on.

0:45:570:46:01

And we start working and there's Harry.

0:46:010:46:03

Harry comes in with John Lennon.

0:46:030:46:06

And he told John Lennon, he said,

0:46:060:46:08

"You know, Tommy's not very good, you know, heckling helps him."

0:46:080:46:13

So these guys came in coked up and really cognac-ing.

0:46:130:46:18

Every single moment there was a silence,

0:46:180:46:21

there would be the most disgusting,

0:46:210:46:23

I mean really the worst heckling in the world.

0:46:230:46:25

The Smothers Brothers were, of course, astounded and blindsided and all of that.

0:46:250:46:30

And Harry and John were going to help the show along,

0:46:300:46:34

and become part of the show.

0:46:340:46:36

That's what their idea was, four or five sheets to the wind.

0:46:360:46:41

-JOHN LENNON:

-I got drunk and shouted, you know.

0:46:410:46:43

It was the first night I had drank Brandy Alexanders,

0:46:430:46:46

which is brandy and milk, folks.

0:46:460:46:47

I was with Harry Nilsson who didn't quite get as much coverage as me,

0:46:470:46:51

the bum. And he really encouraged me.

0:46:510:46:55

I usually have somebody there who says, "OK Lennon shut-up."

0:46:550:46:58

And I take it. But I didn't have anyone around me to say shut-up

0:46:580:47:01

-and I just went on and on.

-Harry's going, "Let's say it some more."

0:47:010:47:05

I turned and looked at Harry and said, "Please stop."

0:47:050:47:07

"No, no the audience loves it." I said, "No they don't."

0:47:070:47:10

I was really pissed at them, totally pissed at them.

0:47:100:47:13

Well, Dick and I have a very tight act with great spaces in

0:47:130:47:16

for timing, and every one of them was wrecked.

0:47:160:47:18

The next thing you know, the manager came over

0:47:180:47:20

and grabbed John by the collar.

0:47:200:47:23

All of a sudden, John went back to his little Teddy Boy days

0:47:230:47:26

and says, "Wait a minute you don't pull me." And the next thing the table went flying.

0:47:260:47:30

Fists were flying and people were stumbling around, and people were, "Shut up!"

0:47:300:47:35

-and "Fuck you," and this constant thing.

-They got thrown out.

0:47:350:47:38

Finally, they were thrown out and it was just a disaster.

0:47:380:47:42

When it's Errol Flynn, you know, all them showbiz writers say,

0:47:420:47:45

"Those were the days when we had Sinatra

0:47:450:47:47

"and Errol Flynn socking it to the people," you know, the real men.

0:47:470:47:51

I do it and I'm a bum. So it was a mistake, but hell, you know, I'm human, you know.

0:47:510:47:56

'Hi ya, pussycat.

0:47:560:47:57

'You say you opened up a bicycle wash and the first six customers drowned.

0:47:570:48:01

'And they pick you up in the Wax Museum for trying to score

0:48:010:48:05

'with Marie Antoinette.

0:48:050:48:06

'Is that what's got you down, pussycat?

0:48:060:48:08

'Well, rise up!

0:48:080:48:09

'Get yourself Harry Nilsson's new album, Pussycats,

0:48:090:48:12

'produced by John Lennon.

0:48:120:48:14

'Nilsson's latest! Pussycats! On RCA records and tapes.

0:48:140:48:18

'Meow and purr.'

0:48:180:48:20

Some tracks are beautiful, some tracks are a bit weird,

0:48:200:48:23

but Harry Nilsson and John Lennon together is a pretty weird combination.

0:48:230:48:28

To have John was like giving Harry the best present he could have.

0:48:280:48:32

That almost made up for the fact that his father left him.

0:48:320:48:38

And, you know, there may be some of you out there, saying,

0:48:380:48:41

"Yeah, Webb's being the amateur psychiatrist now.

0:48:410:48:44

"But I think that that almost made up for it,

0:48:440:48:47

because Harry really wanted to be one of the Beatles.

0:48:470:48:51

Well, the relationship with John was...

0:48:510:48:54

like, if you see the album, Pussycats,

0:48:540:48:56

have you ever seen the cover? You know, they were like in each other's face.

0:48:560:49:00

This was like, it was like a duel.

0:49:000:49:03

They were a friendship made in hell, as far as I'm concerned.

0:49:030:49:07

John had his troubles. Harry had his troubles.

0:49:070:49:12

And they got together and really, that was,

0:49:120:49:16

that was when Harry totally blew his voice.

0:49:160:49:20

# Many rivers to cross

0:49:200:49:27

# But I just can't seem to find

0:49:270:49:33

# My way over. #

0:49:330:49:40

He and John Lennon were egging each other on

0:49:400:49:43

as to who could scream the loudest

0:49:430:49:47

and scream the longest and put the most ragged,

0:49:470:49:51

actually self-destructive vocals on tape, as possible.

0:49:510:49:57

It was kind of this one-upmanship, friendly kind of thing,

0:49:570:50:00

but like... # I can do anything you can do No you can't

0:50:000:50:03

# Yes, I can. No you can't. Aaaaah! #

0:50:030:50:06

I believe it was purposeful.

0:50:070:50:10

Not consciously,

0:50:100:50:12

but I believe that he was...

0:50:120:50:15

He was...

0:50:150:50:17

I can't believe that I'm getting into all this, first of all.

0:50:170:50:20

I really, I think he was, for some very bizarre reason, trying to self-destruct.

0:50:200:50:27

# Well I guess I'll have to try... #

0:50:310:50:39

He told me, one time, that there was blood on the microphone.

0:50:390:50:45

Harry told me. He said, "There was blood on the microphone."

0:50:450:50:50

I drove him to the hospital and he had the throat thing,

0:50:500:50:53

and the polyps and all that stuff.

0:50:530:50:56

And he called me up and he says, "Get me out of here.

0:50:560:50:58

"Bring me a bottle of brandy and a pack of cigarettes into the hospital."

0:50:580:51:03

"And I said, "Not the cigarettes.

0:51:030:51:06

"But I brought a bottle of brandy and he walked out in the green robe.

0:51:080:51:11

He just couldn't be bothered, you know.

0:51:110:51:14

I never sensed any kind of, "It's not really happening," denial.

0:51:140:51:19

It was just, "Oh, fuck it, give me a cigarette."

0:51:190:51:22

That was his kind of attitude about everything.

0:51:220:51:26

That was the saddest thing that ever happened to me in my life,

0:51:350:51:40

was when I realised that he...

0:51:400:51:43

that he was in that much trouble vocally,

0:51:430:51:49

and that he didn't know how to tell me,

0:51:490:51:53

and that he didn't want anyone to know.

0:51:530:51:55

And it's just hard for me to talk about it.

0:51:580:52:00

I just can't talk about it.

0:52:000:52:02

# Hey, baby

0:52:150:52:17

# Do you come here often?

0:52:170:52:21

# What's your sign? #

0:52:230:52:26

A girlfriend and I were working for the summer.

0:52:280:52:31

We were students at Rumpelmayer's Ice Cream Parlour.

0:52:310:52:34

And one evening, it was rather a quiet evening and both of us

0:52:340:52:39

were sort of leaning up against the wall, and in walked Harry.

0:52:390:52:42

Sunday night, half drunk, flask of brandy in one pocket,

0:52:420:52:47

a copy of US News in the other.

0:52:470:52:50

And as I walked to my hotel I noticed Rumpelmayer's ice cream parlour.

0:52:500:52:54

And there was Una.

0:52:540:52:59

Basically the first thing Harry ever said to me was,

0:52:590:53:01

"You've the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen.

0:53:010:53:03

"Will you marry me?"

0:53:030:53:06

Obviously, no-one had ever said anything like that to me before, but it was very special.

0:53:060:53:10

And, uh, he said, "No, no really," he said,

0:53:100:53:12

"What can I do to prove my intent?"

0:53:120:53:15

And we said, "Well, we like flowers and we like melons."

0:53:160:53:20

Now you might think that's a very odd thing to say,

0:53:200:53:22

but perhaps I'd never really...

0:53:220:53:24

Well, I'd never eaten a honeydew melon.

0:53:240:53:27

Right. Went to my hotel. I showered, sobered, changed.

0:53:270:53:32

The melons were easy, Smiler's Delicatessen.

0:53:320:53:36

But the flowers, that's another question.

0:53:360:53:39

11pm on a Sunday night, August 12th, 1973. Flowers at 11pm?

0:53:390:53:45

Hey, what about the docks? Right!

0:53:450:53:49

So we actually found a florist

0:53:490:53:52

and he was preparing for a funeral the next morning.

0:53:520:53:55

At the end of the evening, when my friend and I were leaving, the manager came over

0:53:550:53:59

and he said, "There's a man waiting for, for you outside the kitchen."

0:53:590:54:04

And we were very excited and we went outside and there was Harry,

0:54:040:54:08

leaning nonchalantly against a long limousine and on the pavement

0:54:080:54:15

beside him he had baskets of um, uh, flowers and melons and soft toys.

0:54:150:54:24

They were totally knocked out.

0:54:240:54:25

They hugged me and they hugged me.

0:54:250:54:29

It was the sweetest hug I'd ever had.

0:54:290:54:32

# And I feel like it's going to get a whole lot better

0:54:320:54:37

# Better than the night before the night I met her

0:54:370:54:42

# Feel like it's going to get a whole lot better

0:54:420:54:45

# Better than the night before the night I met her. #

0:54:450:54:50

The day of the wedding it was like hell day hangover.

0:55:020:55:05

The limo showed up.

0:55:050:55:06

Ringo gave me a toot for luck,

0:55:060:55:08

the limo driver gave me a gram for luck, and even the father,

0:55:080:55:12

the priest, a priest of the church of God-knows-what,

0:55:120:55:15

shared another gram.

0:55:150:55:17

Now I was shaking so much I could barely stand.

0:55:170:55:20

So I said, "To hell with it, you only marry thrice."

0:55:200:55:24

The wedding ceremony.

0:55:250:55:28

Phew!

0:55:280:55:30

We were married in... It was really a suite at the Marriott Hotel.

0:55:300:55:35

The wedding was organised very, very quickly.

0:55:350:55:37

Van Dyke Parks brought a priest, somebody else brought flowers

0:55:370:55:43

and somebody else hired an accordionist.

0:55:430:55:46

Ringo Starr was our best man.

0:55:460:55:49

And he was so funny.

0:55:490:55:51

He went to Tiffany's and took a tray of rings

0:55:510:55:55

because he didn't know our sizes

0:55:550:55:57

and he sort of held this tray of rings out for us to choose.

0:55:570:56:01

In two tries he found the right sizes.

0:56:010:56:04

Then it was my turn to place the beautiful golden circles

0:56:040:56:07

on the love of my life.

0:56:070:56:09

Ringo said, "Oh, look, he's shaking."

0:56:090:56:12

And he helped me steady my hands, with Una, and slip on the ring.

0:56:120:56:16

It was perfect.

0:56:160:56:18

In 1974 Harry renegotiated his record deal with RCA records

0:56:460:56:51

and at that time got what I understand to be one of

0:56:510:56:54

the biggest advances in the history of the record business.

0:56:540:56:58

PS, he did it with the help of John Lennon.

0:56:580:57:00

It was John and I with Harry, and we marched into the president

0:57:000:57:07

of RCA at that time.

0:57:070:57:08

And Harry says, "Do you know. look who's in your office?

0:57:080:57:15

"It's John Lennon in this piece of shit record company's office.

0:57:150:57:20

"John Lennon is here!"

0:57:200:57:21

And, and John says, "Do you know who's stand...

0:57:210:57:25

"This is Harry Nilsson, the greatest rock'n'roll singer!

0:57:250:57:29

"And you're fucking him over!"

0:57:290:57:30

There's John giving a speech saying,

0:57:300:57:33

"You're going to lose one of the greatest voices of all time.

0:57:330:57:37

You've got to re-sign this man. You got to give him a record deal.

0:57:370:57:42

John was just going right for it. He didn't care.

0:57:420:57:44

He believed in Harry that much.

0:57:440:57:46

The contracts that had sat there unsigned by them,

0:57:460:57:49

for over a year, he signed and sent them and Harry got his deal.

0:57:490:57:55

One, two, three, four.

0:57:550:57:58

Harry would go into a session with a sheet of paper and 15 musicians.

0:57:580:58:04

And just one sheet of paper that he has.

0:58:040:58:07

And we'd start. To us, I'm sure that he had it worked out in his brain,

0:58:070:58:10

but when it got to us, it was ideas.

0:58:100:58:13

One, two, three four.

0:58:140:58:17

Chris, could I have some Scotch, some water, some matches,

0:58:170:58:21

and some heroin, please?

0:58:210:58:23

There would be a lot of people around and it would be full on drug culture.

0:58:230:58:28

Harry, where's the shit, man?

0:58:280:58:30

And there would be a sort of a half-hearted attempt at making

0:58:300:58:33

a record going on, and a lot of confusion.

0:58:330:58:37

The line between, you know,

0:58:370:58:40

day and night and work and play.

0:58:400:58:44

It just disappeared entirely.

0:58:440:58:48

It, of course it was fun,

0:58:480:58:51

we were all in the bag and laughing and carrying on,

0:58:510:58:54

but it certainly was a silly way to make records.

0:58:540:58:57

OK, all right.

0:58:570:59:02

That's certainly worth risking. Let's go ahead.

0:59:020:59:04

We just ran out of tape anyway. Beautiful.

0:59:040:59:06

It was a very difficult time for him.

0:59:060:59:08

RCA was unhappy, um, obviously.

0:59:080:59:12

And he was unhappy.

0:59:120:59:13

You know, he was blaming them,

0:59:130:59:15

that they didn't know how to deal with his product.

0:59:150:59:17

And they were blaming him about the albums they were making.

0:59:170:59:20

And it got really uncomfortable

0:59:200:59:22

and they offered him money to buy him out.

0:59:220:59:24

I remember the day that Harry came over and said, yeah, he was laughing.

0:59:240:59:29

He was saying, "RCA Victor just gave me three million dollars.

0:59:290:59:32

"I'm going to retire. I'm buy an apartment building.

0:59:320:59:34

"I'm doing this and I'm doing that."

0:59:340:59:37

And he was bragging about it and pretending to be happy about it,

0:59:370:59:41

but the truth was, he was distraught because they had paid him off.

0:59:410:59:47

They had paid him off.

0:59:470:59:49

They wanted to get out from under the deal.

0:59:490:59:53

John Lennon was killed last night.

0:59:530:59:55

The former Beatle, 40 years old, was shot to death

0:59:550:59:58

as he and his wife, Yoko Ono,

0:59:581:00:00

were walking through the great arched entry way to The Dakota,

1:00:001:00:03

the landmark apartment building where they lived in New York.

1:00:031:00:06

I was with Harry on the night that John was shot.

1:00:131:00:17

And, he was in the studio.

1:00:181:00:21

It was that Monday night, cos we were all watching the football game,

1:00:211:00:25

and all of a sudden the flash came on the screen that said

1:00:251:00:29

John Lennon had been shot.

1:00:291:00:31

And we all freaked.

1:00:311:00:35

And it was like, "What?!"

1:00:351:00:39

You know, and everything just stopped for a minute

1:00:391:00:41

and people just looked at each other and shook their heads.

1:00:411:00:45

And I went in the bathroom and just put a wet towel on my face

1:00:461:00:50

and just said, "Jesus Christ, not him."

1:00:501:00:53

It devastated him,

1:00:531:00:56

because I don't think that Harry felt that they'd had their last conversation.

1:00:561:01:00

Well, it was so severe that we didn't talk about it,

1:01:001:01:05

between us.

1:01:051:01:07

# Cos nothing lasts forever

1:01:091:01:11

# But I will always love you. #

1:01:121:01:21

You know the old cliche, and most cliches are true.

1:01:331:01:37

Behind every great man is a great woman.

1:01:371:01:38

He was totally in love with Una, and it was very touching,

1:01:381:01:43

extremely touching.

1:01:431:01:45

I know he was married twice before and I don't,

1:01:451:01:47

I don't even know their names. I know nothing about that.

1:01:471:01:51

It seemed like when he found her that was it.

1:01:511:01:53

# Lean on me, lean on me

1:01:531:02:00

# You're the wind and I'm the sea

1:02:001:02:05

# Oh, lean on me... #

1:02:051:02:08

I found, uh, some sort of poem he wrote her, in which he said,

1:02:081:02:12

there have been, of all the great loves that have existed in history,

1:02:121:02:17

and he listed off a bunch of couples, maybe, um,

1:02:171:02:20

Romeo and Juliet and he said, Yoko and John, Harry and Una.

1:02:201:02:25

And Una had such a calm aura about her, she just...

1:02:251:02:29

Whatever he was doing crashing, bang or anything, she just was there.

1:02:291:02:34

It's nice when somebody finds the ballast in their life and I think Harry found it with Una.

1:02:341:02:38

She was the anchor, yeah. Good ole Mom.

1:02:381:02:41

And the other weird part about Harry, as outrageous as he was, he loved his children.

1:02:411:02:46

You know, and all these kids.

1:02:461:02:48

And he was very much about that.

1:02:481:02:51

When any of the children would walk into the room, he was just, he would light up.

1:02:511:02:55

They were climbing all over him. They were on his back, they were on his head...

1:02:551:02:59

They were, uh...adored, cherished,

1:02:591:03:03

treasured, pampered, uh...

1:03:031:03:08

Given every luxury imaginable

1:03:081:03:13

and every latitude, in terms of their behaviour.

1:03:131:03:16

I mean, he was absolutely one of the most doting, loving dads I've ever seen.

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He was really hands-on, being careful, being caring and,

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um, always talking about Una and his children.

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# There's nothing left to say

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# I'll pack up my memories Then I'll walk away... #

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A lot of things went domino at the end there. A very bad, uh...

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series of circumstances, including the threat of bankruptcy

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and lawsuits that might come from it. Once again, back where he began.

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In the early '90s, his business manager, who was his accountant,

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who he had trusted implicitly,

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and who had control over all of his money,

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embezzled virtually all of his money.

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His financial world, which he was so proud of, for his children

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and for his family, all fell apart.

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And, um, that was a cruel trick.

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And, um, and that's what broke my heart for him, you know.

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That shouldn't have happened, shouldn't have happened to anybody,

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shouldn't have happened to him.

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He got very caught up in trying to sell the house, trying to get money.

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He was selling off his library of music.

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It was a point that really made me sad, because he had all these CDs

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that he was going around to ad agencies

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trying to sell his songs for commercials to get some money.

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It was, um...

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an incredible blow to him.

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And I don't think he ever recovered.

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A man wants to be a success, he wants to be a good provider

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and the things that he had worked for, uh, were gone.

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So it was really, really hard.

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The last thing he recorded that was ever released was, uh...

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I Love New York in June, How About You? for Fisher King.

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# I like New York in June How about you...? #

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It was back in 1991, I had gotten a call from Harry

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saying he was going to London to do The Fisher King.

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And, uh, I asked him if I could go along with him.

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I don't think he was expecting that, but, uh, he said, "Yes."

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His voice had gone by then, I mean,

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but it was still quite wonderful cos he could always work it.

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It was his great instrument.

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And, uh, even his whistle was gone by then, but he still whistled in the thing.

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HE WHISTLES SONG

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That turned out to be not only the first, but the last time

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that we'd spend a significant amount of time together, just the two of us.

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I remember on the last night before I had to leave

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we agreed to stay up all night, in the hotel room, talking about whatever, and we did.

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Around 4am he got too tired and he had to go to sleep,

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so I left after that, but that's a good memory for me.

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# I like it, how about you?

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# Try, try, try...

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# You're a winner if you Try, try, try...

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# Give it all you have... #

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I never saw a nobler human being than Harry Nilsson

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in the final couple of years of his life.

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He was as happy and as brave and as confident

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as any man I've ever seen.

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As ill as he was, he pulled his family out of bankruptcy.

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He pulled himself together.

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He faced what he was facing with as much good humour as you could possibly imagine.

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This was 1993, when my dad had a heart attack.

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He'd felt these chest pains, tried to ignore it like it was nothing.

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Then he goes to the doctor and the doctor says, "You've had this major heart attack.

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"What are you doing not calling an ambulance?"

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After that first heart attack I called him and he said,

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"I've had hangovers that were worse."

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And it was a massive heart attack.

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He'd use a lot of it as a lesson.

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"Look, kids, this is what happens if you're a rock'n'roller all your life.

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And he blamed a lot of the health, he would express it to me, anyway,

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that, that fast living is not the key to longevity

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He just sort of told me, that's the odd thing about it.

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And he just said, "Doug, you know, they told me I got a year."

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And I went, "What?!"

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He said, "Yeah." Just like that.

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And that was that side of him I was talking about before.

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That what was painful, he wasn't going to let it out that way.

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I knew he was in bad shape.

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I knew he was trying to get better.

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I knew that he had to be connected to machines every now and then, you know?

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An oxygen tank. I knew it wasn't good.

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You know, his hair was getting grey and it was just this awful image.

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And so I think I really hid from him for the last few months.

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So I don't have strong memories of it.

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Except just, like...

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Just fear, and watching him sort of deteriorate, which I couldn't handle, you know?

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After a while, they communicated to him that it doesn't look good.

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So, my dad was able to use that opportunity to tell all of us anything that was on his mind.

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And we were able to tell my dad anything that was on our minds,

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on the days leading up towards the end.

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# Take a look around

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# See what you have found

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# It's so easy If you try, try, try... #

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The last night of Harry's life, we'd had a very busy day

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and we went to bed and we were watching a movie, Enchanted April.

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I wasn't able to stay awake to the end of the movie and I said,

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"Oh, I'm sorry, Harry, I'm going to fall asleep."

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And he said, "I want you to know I love you sooooo much."

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Making the "so" as long as he could.

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And that's the last thing he ever said to me.

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# It's the perfect way

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# To end a perfect day... #

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I just remember thinking, "Earthquake?!"

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Like, what's going on?

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You know?

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Who designed this series of events?

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I was at a friend's house in Topanga Canyon and it threw me half the way across the room.

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And it was like Harry saying, "Hey!"

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HE LAUGHS

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"I'm not going out like that."

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Throughout the day, including the service, there were aftershocks.

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And quite severe aftershocks.

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So, we're sitting there, and I thought, "Oh, that's really kind of fitting."

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Cos here's Harry, you know, even now he's gone, still shaking stuff up.

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Because we're just sitting there...

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and the casket would shake.

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You know, really surreal.

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There was a huge shake during the funeral.

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And I said, "It's Harry, just got to heaven and found the bar's closed."

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When we went to the actual gravesite, we're all standing around.

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And George Harrison is there, looking quite sad.

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And he looks at me and goes,

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"You know my favourite Harry song?"

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And I went, "It's tough to pick." He goes, "Fuck You."

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And I went, "What?" Thinking that he was like...

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And he goes, "No, Fuck You." Come on, let's sing it for Harry.

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And around the grave, six of us went...

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# You're breaking my heart

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# You're tearing it apart

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# So fuck you! # Looking at the casket.

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And when we did that, it was such a bittersweet sorrow.

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But there was not a man or a woman around the casket

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that didn't have that smile on their face, that you said to me,

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"Whenever I say Harry Nilsson, people go,

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"'Phew, Harry.'"

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And that smile, at that time,

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was all around.

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# He's a pretty nifty guy

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# Always looks you in the eye

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# Everybody passing by will sigh for Harry

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Oh, Harry!

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# I've known him for a little while

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# He always has a friendly smile

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# He doesn't give a damn For what's in style, this Harry...

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WHISTLING

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# Ooh, about that man called Harry

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# Want to marry, with Harry

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# Harry, Harry, Harry Harry, Harry. #

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