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Thank you. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
25 years ago I had the good fortune of playing a character in a film called Midnight Cowboy. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:28 | |
I was rehearsing this speech here yesterday | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
and I came in here today and just found out that the wonderful, | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
lovely, talented man who sang "Everybody's Talkin'" | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
in that movie, Harry Nilsson, died today. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
And it would seem weird not to have an appropriate moment for him. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
He was a great artist. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:55 | |
# Everybody's talkin' at me | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
# I don't hear a word they're sayin' | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
# Only the echoes of my mind... # | 0:01:09 | 0:01:14 | |
Most of the time when I mention him people go, "Who?" | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
When you say, "Harry Nilsson, " everybody says, "No, Harry Nilsson?" | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
Either they get it right away, or they have no idea. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
# Can't live... If living is without you | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
# I can't live... # | 0:01:29 | 0:01:30 | |
He was the closest thing to an American version of the Beatles. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
# I can't live | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
# If living is without you... # | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
Beautiful, beautiful voice. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:45 | |
Soft, velvety. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
And you'd have your headphones on and that voice would come through. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
You almost couldn't play, cos it was so beautiful. Seriously beautiful. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
To me he was always like a fallen angel, so there was this weird combination of | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
something heavenly and beatific about him, and then just dirt... and darkness. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
# One is the loneliest number | 0:02:04 | 0:02:10 | |
# That you'll ever do... # | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
Harry would turn up at your door, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:15 | |
at four o'clock in the morning, and you kinda knew that the next three days of your life | 0:02:15 | 0:02:22 | |
were going to be an adventure. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
I defer, Harry. Man, I don't know how far you want me to go with this! | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
He spent most of his life in pursuit of a good time, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
and he caught it, and, uh, it caught him in the end. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
# The lime and the coconut You take them both together | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
# Put the lime and the coconut and you'll feel better... # | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
So who was Harry Nilsson, and why is everyone talking about him? | 0:02:40 | 0:02:46 | |
Well, he was one of the most gifted and certainly the most wayward singer-songwriter of his generation. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:52 | |
From the moment they first heard him sing, the Beatles declared him | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
their soulmate, and their favourite American performer. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
But the man with the bewitching voice was also his own worst enemy. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:05 | |
It was John Lennon who teamed up with Nilsson in Los Angeles in 1973, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
ostensibly to collaborate on a new album. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
But the pair of them promptly embarked on a notorious round of binge-drinking and drug-taking | 0:03:12 | 0:03:18 | |
culminating in the now-infamous denouement at the Troubadour nightclub in West Hollywood. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:24 | |
Tonight, the film-maker John Scheinfeld paints a vivid portrait | 0:03:24 | 0:03:29 | |
for Imagine of a man known to many as "the missing Beatle". | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
Our story begins here in Brooklyn, in Harry's troubled childhood home. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:39 | |
'I was born Harry Edward Nilsson III on Father's Day, 1941.' | 0:04:09 | 0:04:16 | |
# Well, in 1941 a happy father had a son | 0:04:16 | 0:04:22 | |
# And by 1944 the father walked right out the door | 0:04:22 | 0:04:29 | |
# And in '45 the mom and son were still alive | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
# But who could tell in '46 if the two were to survive? # | 0:04:34 | 0:04:41 | |
It seems to me that it's pretty clear that Harry | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
was profoundly disturbed by the fact that he was abandoned by his father. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
To not have had all the conversations, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
with a father, that one would want, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
creates quite a longing heart. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
And he had that. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
Harry, I think, really fought for legitimacy, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
in many ways, fought hard for it. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
'My mother and I lived in an upstairs apartment with six rooms. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
'We lived with my grandmother, my grandfather, two uncles, and my sister, when she was born. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:23 | |
'That's the way we lived. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
'Crowded, but busy enough not to get bored. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
'I think my mother was always like, she wasn't | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
'a stage mother or anything, but I think she, herself, wanted to be in show business at one time. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
'I think that rubbed off on me and, uh, when I was a little child | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
'they used to put me on the piano and have me sing songs to the adults, you know. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
'I used to lie in bed when I was about 10 or 11, in the solitude of the small, dark room in Brooklyn. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:49 | |
'If I wasn't counting to a million or to infinity, I would put | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
'a pillow over my head and put on a show for an invisible audience. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
' "And now presenting, me, doing my impression of the great Al Jolson." | 0:05:57 | 0:06:04 | |
'Then I would mime Al Jolson, # Mammy, how I love you, now I love you... # | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
' "Let me ask you, Harry Nilsson, can you do James Cagney?" | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
-' "You dirty rat." ' -I know it was difficult for him. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
I mean, his mom was an alcoholic. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
She ultimately got sober and...very fascinating woman. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
When you met her you could see where Harry came from, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
cos she was like a bigger version of Harry in a lot of ways, that same kind of outwardness and interest. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:29 | |
She did pretty much whatever she had to do to survive. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
She took whatever job she had to, she lived where she had to. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
She even had to write some checks | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
that, uh, didn't always find their way to the bank and get paid. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
But at one point they needed the rent money and, uh, he held up a liquor store. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
I don't know if you know that story or not? | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
For 17, and, "Give me 17dollars," you know. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
# The years went passing quickly | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
# But not fast enough for him | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
# So he closed his eyes till '55 | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
# Then he opened them up again | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
# Then when he looked around he saw a clown | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
# And the clown seemed very gay | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
# And he said, "I'd like to join that circus clown and run away... # | 0:07:13 | 0:07:19 | |
'It was 1957. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
'It was June, a hot June. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
'I lost my job as a caddy because of a fight - pushing and | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
'shoving, nothing bad, but enough for the Caddy Master to fire me. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
'When I went home that night, I told my aunt and uncle what had happened. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
'And during dinner, my uncle said, "Skeeter, I don't know how to say | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
' "this gracefully, but I don't think we can afford you." | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
'I didn't hesitate. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
'I simply said, "You won't have to worry about me any more." | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
'I left the house feeling like Holden Caulfield - half sad, half scared, half itching to get on the road | 0:07:51 | 0:07:57 | |
'and start an adventure across country, which would last me a lifetime. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
'I was 15.' | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
# Well, he followed every railroad track and every highway sign | 0:08:05 | 0:08:11 | |
# And he had a girl in each new town | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
# And the towns he left behind | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
# And the open road Was the only road he knew | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
# But the colour of his dream Was slowly turning into blue... # | 0:08:23 | 0:08:29 | |
'I just turned 18 and I was a dropout. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
'I worked at the Paramount Theatre in Los Angeles for three years, as assistant manager. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
'Anyway, the cashiers were going to work for banks and I figured since I was their boss, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
'and I could reconcile books, so I went and made an application. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
'I wasn't actually a banker. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
'I used to run a computer centre where 132 people were working | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
'on what we laughingly called the swing shift, you know. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
'But I supervised the handling of about 200 million a night in cheques. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
'I'd get off work around one o'clock in the morning and, uh, go to the bar... | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
'They're open until two in Los Angeles. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
'And drink very quickly. I'd write songs all night. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
'In the daytime I'd hustle the songs. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:19 | |
'I used to do demos, and did jingles, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
'and hung around with people who were in the business. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
'You meet one, he introduces you to a friend who knows a songwriter, and then knows a producer... | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
'And then the ultimate test is when you say, "Can I play you this?" ' | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
The Monkees were recording an album called Headquarters. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
And, uh, it was the first album that we had been allowed | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
to choose all our own material and record everything ourselves. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
I don't remember what happened behind the scenes, but this | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
kid showed up, named Harry Nilsson, with a song called Cuddly Toy. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
# You're not the only cuddly toy | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
# That was every enjoyed by any boy | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
# You're not the only choo-choo train | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
# That was left out in the rain The day after Santa came... | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
# You're not the only cherry delight | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
# That was left in the night And gave up without a fight | 0:10:13 | 0:10:18 | |
# You're not the only cuddly toy | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
That was ever enjoyed by any boy. # | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
When Davy Jones said he would, uh, record Cuddly Toy, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
the music publisher that was there, Lester Sill was the guy's name, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
he says, we walked outside in the parking lot and Lester said, "You can quit the bank." | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, in the center ring, presenting Nilsson | 0:10:44 | 0:10:50 | |
and his Shandimanium Shadow Po! | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
It was difficult to find the right niche. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
It wasn't until he went over to RCA and got with Rick Jarrard. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
I think that Rick Jarrard really played a very important part in his success. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:18 | |
I felt that Harry had incredible potential, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
that Harry could be a monster artist. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
And frankly, I was probably the only one that really believed that, because he was so different. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
# Years ago I knew a man | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
# He was my mother's biggest fan | 0:11:37 | 0:11:42 | |
# We used to walk beside the sea And he'd tell me how life would be | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
# When I grew up to be a man... # | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
I think we were at least up to eight-track | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
by then, if not 16-track, and he could overdub himself. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
And he was so good at that. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
Sang wonderful harmony lines off the top of his head. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
His voice blended great with himself | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
and it just helped open up a whole new area for us to explore. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
A particular record was released, with a lot of these over-dubs, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
and a critic in reviewing the album said, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
"It was a wonderful album and I love the music, but Nilsson should have credited the background singers. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
"They were so great." Not realizing the background singers were Nilsson! | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
BACKGROUND SINGING | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
I remember at the time saying, "Harry, be careful crossing the street. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
"Be careful just walking around, cos this is going to be a big career and we need you around." | 0:12:40 | 0:12:46 | |
SCREAMING | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
# Get out those disco bonnets | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
# Here comes the plane with the Beatles on it | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
# Look at John, Paul, George and Ringo | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
# One of them's taken but three are single | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
# Two bits, four bits, six bits, a dollar | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
# All for music... # | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
I was still working at the bank. I hated the Beatles, because I thought, they're beating me to the punch. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:22 | |
And then it was that moment when you said, you're either with 'em or agin 'em. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
I decided to go for the latter and I said "Yeah, they really are that good." | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
We'd be arguing about The Beatles and he'd say, "The Beatles are the only band. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:37 | |
"There's only one band. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
"That's the Beatles. No-one else matters." | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
See, I just assumed that people would discover you. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
That they, they would spot in you the talent that I knew I had. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
So one day, I was early, this was five in the morning, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
I got a phone call and there's this voice, long distance, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
"Hello? Hello." "Who is it?" | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
"This is John." "John who?" | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
"It's John Lennon." "Is this really John?" | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
And he says, "Yeah, I just wanted to say, you're fantastic, man," | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
I been listening to you all weekend, it's great, great, you're just fantastic." | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
Uh, the following Monday, I got a phone call from Paul, "How are you? | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
"Just calling to say you're fantastic, you know? You're great." | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
"I really love what you did on all that stuff, you know, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
"Derek played it for us, and I hope to see you soon." | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
Clunk. The next Monday morning I got up, combed my hair, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
five o'clock in the morning waiting for a call from Ringo. There was no call. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:33 | |
But he ended up being our best man at our wedding, so that's OK. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
I would like to spend a few minutes and talk about song construction, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
which is one of the most important parts of songwriting. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
For any aspiring songwriters in the audience, I have a few comments to make. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
First of all, uh, in construction, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
I might say that you have to get to know your song. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
Take it apart, put it back together again, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
keep it clean cos someday in combat it might save your life. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
And that's the... Yes. LAUGHTER | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
# Listen to the wailing of the willow | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
# Listen to me crying on my pillow | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
# Crying for I know my love has gone from me... # | 0:15:06 | 0:15:12 | |
I thought this was going to be really easy, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
cos I just walked out of the bank, and into | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
the recording business, and suddenly I was getting phone calls from Otto Preminger and John Lennon. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:22 | |
And it was just, "Well, that all there is to it? | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
"Nothing to it. Fantastic, I think I'll stay." | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
He gained a lot of confidence from that first album, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
a lot of confidence. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
I think finally realised what he could do, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
and what he could be, as an artist, and still remaining honest | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
and true to himself. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
There was always a whimsical quality to Harry, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
but the thing that I loved most is the sweetness. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
It was a sweetness and joy and sense of the world and nature, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
like when he writes about his desk. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
You know, he brings things to life. It had that sense | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
of whatever he touched or wrote about suddenly sparkled. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
# Now my old desk never needs a rest | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
# And I've never once heard it cry | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
# I've never seen it tease | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
# It's always there to please me from nine to five | 0:16:09 | 0:16:15 | |
# Such a comfort to know | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
# It's dependable and slow | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
# But it's always there | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
# Well, it's the one friend I've got | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
# A giant of our times | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
# My good old desk | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
# Ooh, wah-wah, wah-wah Wah-wah-wah-wah... # | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
I just made that up. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
Good Old Desk was G-O-D. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
That was Harry's way of talking about God. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
He had a lot of conflicts about all of that business | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
and so he wrote a song called Good Old Desk. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
And that's the way his mind worked. And I loved that. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
I thought that was just so original. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
MUSIC: INTRO TO "One" | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
I was dialling a telephone, I got a busy signal and it was going "beep, beep, beep..." | 0:17:07 | 0:17:13 | |
# One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do... # | 0:17:13 | 0:17:19 | |
I just let it stay busy and just wrote it on the phone, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
while I was listening to this busy signal. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
# It's the loneliest number since the number one... # | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
He just came on the scene, you know, blasted onto the scene | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
and he just started influencing people. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
I'm sure he influenced The Beatles as much as they influenced him. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
Well, everybody's records influence all the minds, you know, at once. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
Everything influences everything. Nilsson's my favourite group. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
# Dreams are nothing more than wishes And a wish is just a dream... # | 0:17:50 | 0:17:56 | |
The Beatles endorsed Harry. They called him their favourite group. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
Harry was their favourite group. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
I think he was quite pleased about that. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
They, you know, pronounced him to the world and said, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
"Listen to this man" and we did. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
That's one of the first times I've ever seen him, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
kind of, patting himself on the back, and tooting his own horn. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
He said, "You know, they, they think I'm like the fifth Beatle.". | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
I got a phone call, and it was from Derek Taylor. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
And, uh, Derek said, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
"Harry, the lads, the boys, would like you | 0:18:30 | 0:18:36 | |
"to come over and join them at a session they're recording at Abbey Road." | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
I thought, "My Jesus. This is about as good as it gets." | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
That first night, in London, I spent at John Lennon's house. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
He gives me a hug and he smiled and he put me at ease instantly. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
So, for some reason I thought I could say anything in front of this man and it would be OK. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
That night we spent the entire night with a little help | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
from our friends, talking, just sitting and talking, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:11 | |
all night, till dawn, till seven or eight o'clock in the morning. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
And John and I are on, and on, and on | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
about marriage, life, death, divorce, women, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
what's it all about? What are we doing? | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
I think that Harry had an incredible respect for John. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
He was like a fan, you know. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
But, um... | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
And John loved him too, so... | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
it was a good kind of combination, I think. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
He said that he and John were a lot alike, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
that they'd had similar childhoods. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
And, um, I wasn't surprised by that. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
Cos it was clear that John had a lot of anger. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
He didn't hide that. Harry hid it, but John didn't. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
So, I thought that was very interesting. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
Harry, after he went over to England, and was with The Beatles, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:04 | |
or with John - I really don't know which - he changed. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
He changed and became somebody else that I no longer knew. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:17 | |
# The willow weeps And having wept can weep no more | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
# But still it cries for me It cries in sympathy | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
# It knows that you are gone | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
# Don't leave me, baby... # | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
Out of the blue, I got a telegram that said, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
"I'm finding another producer." | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
And, basically, that was the end of Harry's and my relationship. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:51 | |
And that's a pretty stunning statement to make, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
and I hesitated to say it, but facts are facts and that's what happened. | 0:20:54 | 0:21:00 | |
I never saw Harry again after that telegram, never spoke to him, never saw him. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:07 | |
Not out of malice from my point, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
we just never ran into each other or anything. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
I think if I did I would have said, "What was that all about?" | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
# Everybody's talkin' at me | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
# I don't hear a word they're sayin' | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
# Only the echoes of my mind... # | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
It was impossible not to be aware of Harry after Midnight Cowboy, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
because that song went everywhere. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
Oh, yeah, yeah. I was a big Nilsson fan. Ever since Midnight Cowboy. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:47 | |
I mean, how could... His most famous song and he didn't write it. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
I love the irony of that and he would have appreciated that. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
# I'm goin' where the sun keeps shining | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
# Through the pourin' rain... # | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
He was a brilliant interpreter. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
So he could take that Fred Neil song and make it his own. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
Everybody's Talkin' was not written for Midnight Cowboy. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
It was Harry's single, and it had been out before the film. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
I was approached by Jerry Hellman and John Schlesinger, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
and asked if I'd be interested in writing a title song for Midnight Cowboy. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
They showed me four reels of uncut material, and I thought, "What? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:28 | |
"This could be the best movie ever made! This is incredible!" I said, "You bet, you bet." | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
He wrote I Guess The Lord Must Be In New York City. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
They also went to Bob Dylan, asked him to write a song. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
I understand Dylan wrote Lay, Lady, Lay. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
They also went to Joni Mitchell and asked her to write a song. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
All of them submitted songs to the producers. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
They listened to all the songs and after hearing all this... | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
They stuck with Everybody's Talkin', which they had been using as a temporary track | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
until they found a song for it. They just got so used to it | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
that they didn't want to drop it, and they left it in. Thank you very much. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
Midnight Cowboy won the Oscar for the Best Picture of the year. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
At the same time, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
Harry won the Grammy for the Best Contemporary Vocal Performance. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
# Everybody's talkin' at me | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
# Can't hear a word they're sayin' | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
# Only the echoes of my mind | 0:23:18 | 0:23:24 | |
# I won't let you leave my love behind | 0:23:24 | 0:23:31 | |
# No, I won't let you leave | 0:23:32 | 0:23:39 | |
# Ohhh, ahhh | 0:23:39 | 0:23:47 | |
# I won't let you leave... # | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
-Hello? -'Hi, is this Harry?' -Yes. -'Hi, um, I was going to ask you something.' | 0:23:50 | 0:23:55 | |
Well, why didn't you? | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
-When are you going to have a concert? -Oh, I don't do concerts That's for other people that want to. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
-'Oh...you're not going to have a concert ever?' -No. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
Many, many people are curious why Harry never performed live, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:11 | |
didn't make touring a part of his career. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
Didn't go on the road and all of those issues. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
And there are many, many, many answers, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
which are interesting and valid. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
Harry was the most insecure person I've ever known. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
He just didn't have any self-esteem. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
He was quite shy. And I don't think he believed | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
that anyone would particularly want to see him on stage. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
He was terrified. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
And I... I don't remember exactly why, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
but he was terrified to do a live performance. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
If the way to become a rock star was to make an album, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:53 | |
and then go and promote the album, and then go out on tour, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
Harry figured, "I'm going to do it another way. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
"I'm going to find a way to do it. You don't have to go on tour." | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
Part of it was about just proving that you didn't have to do it. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
There are very few guys that have had the success that he had | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
without doing that, and he almost pulled it off. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
Well, he did pull it off. We're sitting here doing this documentary. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
-I mean...! -HE CHUCKLES | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
# Well, isn't it nice the parents would say | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
# Well, isn't it nice you've got someone | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
# Someone to idolise | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
# He must look twice his size | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
# I think it's great you're going through a phase... # | 0:25:34 | 0:25:41 | |
Harry was offered a BBC special, to be produced by Stanley Dorfman, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
who was doing the In Concert series. And in concert means IN CONCERT! | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
That means there would be an audience, but Harry didn't do audiences. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
And I said he could do anything he wanted. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
this is BBC, it's not like American television. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
You literally can have the freedom of the studio. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
Once he realised he could come and play, have more of less control of what he wanted to do, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
he said, "Yeah, why not?" | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
# Laa, la, la, la | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
# Oh, ra, ra-ra-ra-rah | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
# Ra, da, da, da Rah-da-da-dah | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
# Da, da-doh, da Da, doh-doh, da-dum... # | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
We went into a studio | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
and one afternoon we made up a show with Harry at the piano. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:48 | |
He'd do a song and say, "Well, what should we do now?" | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
Then he said, "Well, let's do three Harrys." | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
# Come on, baby Let the good times roll | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
# Come on, baby Let me thrill your soul | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
# Yeah, come on baby Let the good times roll | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
# Roll all night long | 0:27:07 | 0:27:12 | |
# Come on, baby Yes, this is real | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
# Come on, baby Show me how you feel | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
# Yeah, come on, baby Let the good times roll | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
# Roll all night long. # | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
It was extremely creative from Harry's point of view. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
He was having fun and that's the only way he'd do television. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
# Roll on, roll on, roll on roll on. # | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
Um, let's see. I think I'll tell stories about marriage. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
# Life isn't easy when two are divided | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
# When one has decided to bring down the curtain | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
# And one thing's for certain | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
# There's nothing to keep them together. # | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
Most people don't know it, but in 1964, Harry got married for the first time. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
The marriage didn't last long, and there were no children. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
Her name was Sandy and I said, "What was that like?" | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
He said, "I just did that to get out of the war." | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
Obviously, you know, I mean, she was a nice girl. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
I don't know what happened, but that's how he would meet. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
"I just married her to get out of the war." | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
So, I guess that was another painful thing. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
He just had a way of doing that. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:27 | |
If it was painful or he didn't want to talk about it, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
he'd have one-liners that would dismiss it, subject closed. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
# Love when it started was easy to measure | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
# Each day was a pleasure | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
# Each night an adventure | 0:28:38 | 0:28:39 | |
# Each morning was something that had to be shared together | 0:28:39 | 0:28:45 | |
# Love when it's growing is full of surprises | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
# Its temperature rises from higher to higher | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
# That turns into fire that has to be shared together. # | 0:28:50 | 0:28:57 | |
Harry got married for a second time New Years Eve of 1969, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
in Vegas, when he married Diane. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
Harry and Diane did have a child, a child named Zak. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
Zachary Nine, N-I-N-E, Nilsson. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
# Little fella, you're so tired you can hardly lift your head | 0:29:10 | 0:29:19 | |
# But you wanna hear a story before you go to bed | 0:29:19 | 0:29:26 | |
# So if you'll be quiet and listen patiently | 0:29:26 | 0:29:34 | |
# I'll sing you a song that my mother sang to me. # | 0:29:34 | 0:29:43 | |
My dad wrote this thing on a piece of paper, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
for when I was a baby. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
It was just a note to me, even though I couldn't read, or you know, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
wasn't old enough to understand it or anything. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
He wrote this note which basically told me how much he loved me, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
and reading it now, uh, it just makes me realise that he really did. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:05 | |
"Dear Zak, I stood over you | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
"and watched you sleep for 30 minutes this morning. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
"Someday you'll know how I feel as I write these words. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
"You're beautiful. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
"You moved your toes and feet proportionally to the noise I made. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
"You were on top of your blanket, an orange blanket with yellow daisies. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
"Your pacifier was an inch from your mouth. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
"It had obviously been released with sleep. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
"I love you, Big Daddy Schmilsson." | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
So, you know, to write something like that... | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
..obviously there's something there. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
I don't think Harry was ready to be a father. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
I think he liked the idea, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
but the reality of parenting was just too much for him. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:53 | |
He didn't, he didn't have the time, or the capacity to do that. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:59 | |
And he just mostly was absent. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
Part of him wanted to be a parent, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
part of him wanted to be a partner and married, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
but most of him didn't want to be. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
He wanted to be out carousing with his buddies | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
drinking tequila every night. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
He didn't want to be in a relationship. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
There's the 1941 thing, almost mirrored his own life. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
And it's... | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
I'm pretty sure that's not how he intended it to be, but it did. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:32 | |
You know, "In 1941, a happy father had a son, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
in 1944, his father walked right out the door." | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
That's almost exactly what happened, except in the '70s. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
He called me one morning and said, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
"I got to come and talk to you." | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
So, he came over to my house in Laurel Canyon, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
and asked me if I'd like to produce him, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
and I said, "I would love to, under one condition, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
"that he had to trust me and let me call the shots," | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
which he agreed to. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
One more, put it away. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
-Put it away. -Let's nail this mother to the wall. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
Richard's a great producer, really talented guy. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
And again, a tough guy in his own way. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
But you needed a tough guy to deal with Harry. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
He could, Harry could run over people, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
and a lot of people he did run over. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
And so he needed a counterweight and Richard was that. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
Harry, don't smoke those. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
Oh, come on, Mom! I stayed home yesterday. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
When you walked into the studio, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
Richard was in charge and it was wonderful. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
There's like several good takes. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
And it's the kind of thing where, if there's a great second verse, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
it can be used as the first verse of, uh, you know? | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
He had the brightness to handpick musicians | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
and then allow them to feel at least they were free, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
but you were being | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
wonderfully, gently manoeuvred by Richard, you see. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
And then there was Harry who also, you know, knew exactly what he wanted. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
I felt that Harry could be my Beatles, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
and he, in turn, I suppose felt that I could be his George Martin, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
which, I think we did a pretty good job of accomplishing | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
on the Nilsson Schmilsson album. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
That was the goal, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
to make as close to a Beatles quality album as possible. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
# Brother bought a coconut | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
# He bought it for a dime | 0:33:47 | 0:33:48 | |
# His sister had another one | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
# She paid it for the lime | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
# She put the lime in the coconut | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
# She drank 'em both up | 0:33:54 | 0:33:55 | |
# She put the lime in the coconut... # | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
He played it for me the first time on guitar | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
and he, he just sang it, it was like straight through, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
no changes at all. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
# Put the lime in the coconut | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
# You drink 'em both up | 0:34:09 | 0:34:10 | |
# Put the lime in the coconut | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
# You drink 'em both up | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
# Put a lime in the coconut | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
# And drink 'em both together | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
# Put the lime in the coconut | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
# Then you feel better. # | 0:34:20 | 0:34:21 | |
I thought to myself, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
"This song really has the potential to be like a little animated cartoon | 0:34:23 | 0:34:28 | |
"There's like at least three different characters in the song I can think of." | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
I said, "Why don't you use different voices? Think of the doctor like this, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
"'Now let me get this straight, you put the lime in the coconut.'" | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
# Now let me get this straight | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
# Put the lime in the coconut | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
# You drank 'em both up. # | 0:34:44 | 0:34:45 | |
He responded to it immediately | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
and then you get this marvellous theatrical performance | 0:34:47 | 0:34:52 | |
that has made that song a classic. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
# Ain't there nothing I can take | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
# To relieve this belly ache? | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
# I said, doctor! Ain't there nothing I can take? | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
# I said, doctor! | 0:35:05 | 0:35:06 | |
# Ain't there nothing I can take? I said, doctor! # | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
About halfway through the album we had a difference of opinion | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
that didn't, sort of, settle itself easily. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
So, like two proper gentlemen, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
we decided to have a meeting over high tea at the Dorchester Hotel | 0:35:19 | 0:35:24 | |
to discuss what we were going to do. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
I said, "Harry, you do remember that when you came to me | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
"and asked me to produce you, I asked you | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
"my only condition was that I would have control, creative control." | 0:35:33 | 0:35:40 | |
He looks me dead in the face and said, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
"Well, I lied." | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
And then, with that, we both looked at our watch | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
and realised that we were late for the session | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
that he was supposed to do his vocal on Without You. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
Without another word, we jumped into a taxi, ran down to the studio, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:03 | |
he went right out and sang the vocal that you hear on the record. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
# I can't live | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
# If living is without you | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
# I can't live... # | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
We weren't thinking, "Grammy, here we come." But we thought it'd be nice. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
And while we were in Japan the nominations had come out | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
and Album of the Year, Record of the Year, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
Best Male Vocal Performance, Best Engineered Record. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
I mean, whatever category it could have been nominated, it was nominated. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
He was thrilled. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
All of his dreams had come true. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
You know, he wanted to have a huge success. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
He had it. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:54 | |
After the Nilsson Schmilsson album I think he was, arguably, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
the finest white male singer on the planet. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
Nilsson Schmilsson is a masterpiece, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
and he was pretty crazy, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
but Richard had some control over the situation and that album came out beautifully. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:12 | |
It was really post Nilsson Schmilsson | 0:37:12 | 0:37:17 | |
that the troubles set in, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
he didn't want Richard Perry in there. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
He didn't want anybody telling him what to do. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
He was going through a bad period in life, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
and rather than using that to, you know, in a way inspire him, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:34 | |
or try to be creative with your pain, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
he just let it start the downward spiral that ultimately destroyed him. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:44 | |
# Down to the bottom | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
# To the bottom of a hole | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
# I'm goin' down | 0:37:48 | 0:37:53 | |
# Goin' down. # | 0:37:53 | 0:37:54 | |
I don't think Harry handled success well. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
I think that the more successful he became, the more he drank. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:03 | |
He didn't really feel that he deserved the applaud | 0:38:03 | 0:38:08 | |
and the accreditation he was getting | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
and became an alcoholic really, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
just as a sort of a retreat, as a sort of hideaway from that. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
It was frustrating because I... I didn't have enough of a power | 0:38:16 | 0:38:21 | |
in the relationship to say, "Stop!" | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
You know, but I wish I had. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
I don't think Harry expected to live very long. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
Both his parents died in their 50s. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
So, you know, that somehow becomes a factor in how people look at life. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:41 | |
It was one of those things where he just went like 500mph | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
until he stopped, you know? | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
Whereas, most people just cruise and speed up and slow down and speed up... | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
and then you kind of peter off, and eventually you park. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
But he was just like... Boom! | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
# I'm goin' down... # | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
We were best pals. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
You know, we hung out together all the time. We travelled together. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
We had a blast. We partied together. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
I mean, there wasn't anything we didn't do together. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
And worked together. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
And I was looking at a lifetime of hits. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
You know, I mean, you know, with the different things that he could do with his voice. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
I mean, just when you... I mean there was no limitation | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
as to what, you know, we were capable of. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
I mean, Nilsson Schmilsson was like, the warm up. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
But the second one was Son of Schmilsson, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
and I think the cracks had already started to appear by that time. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
He had just separated and was going through a divorce from his first wife, Diane. | 0:39:55 | 0:40:00 | |
And it hit him really hard. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:01 | |
He nurtured it like a serpent to his breast. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
He hated it. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
I'm sure he took it as... if he was a good Catholic boy which I think he essentially was, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
he, um... | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
took it as a failure, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
that he ended, uh, in a divorce. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
And it shows in his material, the songs that he would sing. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
# You're breakin' my heart You're tearin' it apart | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
# So fuck you... # | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
Having a hit single was and still is the greatest promotional vehicle to selling an album. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:42 | |
And when you're more than capable of churning out material | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
that had vast commercial potential, and at the same time was loaded | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
with artistic integrity, what does he come up with as the strongest single possibility? | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
"You're breaking my heart, you're tearing it apart." | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
I won't give you the punch line. You know the song. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
# But fuck you | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
# You're breakin' my heart | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
-# You're tearin' it apart Ooh ooh. -# | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
Everybody knows the word. It's hypocrisy at its greatest. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
Uh, and it's such a great way to send it up, you know? | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
-You're breaking my heart, so -BLEEP -you, you know. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
And what do you say? "You're breaking my heart, darn it?" | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
That's what he offered as the best, you know, I mean, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
that was his love song to his ex-wife. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
# There's no-one to blame So fuck you! # | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
He would show up to the studio with a half bottle of cognac. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:48 | |
The first half had already been consumed that afternoon. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:53 | |
He would no longer allow my input into the songs. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
I mean, he would just like come up with a song, | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
and I'd say, "Well, can we talk about this?" | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
"No. That's the song. That's the vocal." | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
And that's why you've got an album that still has | 0:42:06 | 0:42:12 | |
some lovely moments in it, but I mean, there's no real | 0:42:12 | 0:42:17 | |
depth or stature to it anywhere near what the Schmilsson album was. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:22 | |
and I was expecting it to be the next level. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
And so, you know, what's missing here? | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
You know, why is this such a sad ending to what could be a tremendous story? | 0:42:29 | 0:42:35 | |
And it's because, in my way of interpreting it, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
Harry, at that point in life, developed a death wish. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
And, um...he was successful. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
It took him 20 years, but he carried it out. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:55 | |
I was associated then with drinking and carousing. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
Because Keith Moon's a friend and Ringo's a friend and we have good times. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
People assume you're raising hell if you're having a good time, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
but I promise you we don't raise hell, but we do have a good time. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
Harry didn't stop at alcohol, you know. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
There were dealers all over the city heading for Harry, I think, | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
helping him to spend his advances. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
And, you know, Harry was like, he was going the full bore, | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
the full like rock n' roll life. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
# You can shake me up | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
# Or I can bring you down | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
# Whoa | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
# Whoa | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
# We can make each other happy | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
# Oh, we can make each other happy | 0:43:44 | 0:43:49 | |
# We can make each other happy | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
# We can make each other happy Whoa | 0:43:52 | 0:43:57 | |
Harry would come around and trouble would follow very shortly. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
Oh, dear, um, well, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
I got that call many times. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
I got the call, "What are you doing?" | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
That was... the call was a very bad thing. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
I always knew that when Harry called I had to like, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
OK, what am I doing? OK, I'm ready to take the Harry trip, | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
you know, get on the Harry ride, you know, | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
because it's like a ride where you had no idea where it's gonna go. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:24 | |
It's not on tracks. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
Some of those Harry tales | 0:44:26 | 0:44:27 | |
I'll have to be like shock therapy to remember them, you know. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
"Oh, remember that?" | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
"Oh! Woo!" | 0:44:33 | 0:44:34 | |
No, I mean, they're probably out there. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
They're probably lodged somewhere in the cortex, but it'll take... | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
Probably years from now I'll go, "Did I really?" | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
Yeah. "A weed whacker?" | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
-# Oh, Lord! -What is it? -I'm full of it! -Good | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
-# Tonight -Right | 0:44:54 | 0:44:56 | |
# We'll I've had my share of bad times | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
# I've been shooting 'em up Drinking 'em down | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
# Takin' them pills Fooling around | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
# All my life... # | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
John was one of a kind. I mean, there was just no-one like him. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
He was tough as nails. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
He was just fearless and just said what he felt. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:14 | |
He was always ahead, he was always a couple of steps ahead of you. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
I was just hanging around with Harry Nilsson and people in LA, | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
and getting into trouble and every time we go out I end up in the paper. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
I don't know when that happened. It just sort of happened that | 0:45:24 | 0:45:28 | |
"Raising Hell With Harry" became the catchphrase of the month. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
If he wants to go out to have a drink, it's party time. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
He'll start it. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
You'll get in trouble and he'll walk away scott free, but he started it. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:39 | |
We're making our big comeback and at the Troubadour | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
here in Hollywood and - major opening, I mean, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
the stars were out to see the Smothers Brothers. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
And I was counting on this as a big comeback | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
the Troubadour, all the people were invited, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
the Smothers Brothers had been assassinated from television, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
and here they are, they applauded like crazy, we walked on. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:01 | |
And we start working and there's Harry. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
Harry comes in with John Lennon. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
And he told John Lennon, he said, | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
"You know, Tommy's not very good, you know, heckling helps him." | 0:46:08 | 0:46:13 | |
So these guys came in coked up and really cognac-ing. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:18 | |
Every single moment there was a silence, | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
there would be the most disgusting, | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
I mean really the worst heckling in the world. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
The Smothers Brothers were, of course, astounded and blindsided and all of that. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:30 | |
And Harry and John were going to help the show along, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
and become part of the show. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
That's what their idea was, four or five sheets to the wind. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:41 | |
-JOHN LENNON: -I got drunk and shouted, you know. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
It was the first night I had drank Brandy Alexanders, | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
which is brandy and milk, folks. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:47 | |
I was with Harry Nilsson who didn't quite get as much coverage as me, | 0:46:47 | 0:46:51 | |
the bum. And he really encouraged me. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
I usually have somebody there who says, "OK Lennon shut-up." | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
And I take it. But I didn't have anyone around me to say shut-up | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
-and I just went on and on. -Harry's going, "Let's say it some more." | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
I turned and looked at Harry and said, "Please stop." | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
"No, no the audience loves it." I said, "No they don't." | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
I was really pissed at them, totally pissed at them. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
Well, Dick and I have a very tight act with great spaces in | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
for timing, and every one of them was wrecked. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:18 | |
The next thing you know, the manager came over | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
and grabbed John by the collar. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
All of a sudden, John went back to his little Teddy Boy days | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
and says, "Wait a minute you don't pull me." And the next thing the table went flying. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
Fists were flying and people were stumbling around, and people were, "Shut up!" | 0:47:30 | 0:47:35 | |
-and "Fuck you," and this constant thing. -They got thrown out. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
Finally, they were thrown out and it was just a disaster. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
When it's Errol Flynn, you know, all them showbiz writers say, | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
"Those were the days when we had Sinatra | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
"and Errol Flynn socking it to the people," you know, the real men. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
I do it and I'm a bum. So it was a mistake, but hell, you know, I'm human, you know. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:56 | |
'Hi ya, pussycat. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:57 | |
'You say you opened up a bicycle wash and the first six customers drowned. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
'And they pick you up in the Wax Museum for trying to score | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
'with Marie Antoinette. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:06 | |
'Is that what's got you down, pussycat? | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
'Well, rise up! | 0:48:08 | 0:48:09 | |
'Get yourself Harry Nilsson's new album, Pussycats, | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
'produced by John Lennon. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
'Nilsson's latest! Pussycats! On RCA records and tapes. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
'Meow and purr.' | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
Some tracks are beautiful, some tracks are a bit weird, | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
but Harry Nilsson and John Lennon together is a pretty weird combination. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:28 | |
To have John was like giving Harry the best present he could have. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
That almost made up for the fact that his father left him. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:38 | |
And, you know, there may be some of you out there, saying, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
"Yeah, Webb's being the amateur psychiatrist now. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
"But I think that that almost made up for it, | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
because Harry really wanted to be one of the Beatles. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:51 | |
Well, the relationship with John was... | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
like, if you see the album, Pussycats, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:56 | |
have you ever seen the cover? You know, they were like in each other's face. | 0:48:56 | 0:49:00 | |
This was like, it was like a duel. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
They were a friendship made in hell, as far as I'm concerned. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:07 | |
John had his troubles. Harry had his troubles. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:12 | |
And they got together and really, that was, | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
that was when Harry totally blew his voice. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
# Many rivers to cross | 0:49:20 | 0:49:27 | |
# But I just can't seem to find | 0:49:27 | 0:49:33 | |
# My way over. # | 0:49:33 | 0:49:40 | |
He and John Lennon were egging each other on | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
as to who could scream the loudest | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
and scream the longest and put the most ragged, | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
actually self-destructive vocals on tape, as possible. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:57 | |
It was kind of this one-upmanship, friendly kind of thing, | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
but like... # I can do anything you can do No you can't | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
# Yes, I can. No you can't. Aaaaah! # | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
I believe it was purposeful. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
Not consciously, | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
but I believe that he was... | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
He was... | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
I can't believe that I'm getting into all this, first of all. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
I really, I think he was, for some very bizarre reason, trying to self-destruct. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:27 | |
# Well I guess I'll have to try... # | 0:50:31 | 0:50:39 | |
He told me, one time, that there was blood on the microphone. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:45 | |
Harry told me. He said, "There was blood on the microphone." | 0:50:45 | 0:50:50 | |
I drove him to the hospital and he had the throat thing, | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
and the polyps and all that stuff. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
And he called me up and he says, "Get me out of here. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
"Bring me a bottle of brandy and a pack of cigarettes into the hospital." | 0:50:58 | 0:51:03 | |
"And I said, "Not the cigarettes. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
"But I brought a bottle of brandy and he walked out in the green robe. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
He just couldn't be bothered, you know. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
I never sensed any kind of, "It's not really happening," denial. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:19 | |
It was just, "Oh, fuck it, give me a cigarette." | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
That was his kind of attitude about everything. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
That was the saddest thing that ever happened to me in my life, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:40 | |
was when I realised that he... | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
that he was in that much trouble vocally, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:49 | |
and that he didn't know how to tell me, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
and that he didn't want anyone to know. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
And it's just hard for me to talk about it. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
I just can't talk about it. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
# Hey, baby | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
# Do you come here often? | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
# What's your sign? # | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
A girlfriend and I were working for the summer. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
We were students at Rumpelmayer's Ice Cream Parlour. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
And one evening, it was rather a quiet evening and both of us | 0:52:34 | 0:52:39 | |
were sort of leaning up against the wall, and in walked Harry. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
Sunday night, half drunk, flask of brandy in one pocket, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:47 | |
a copy of US News in the other. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
And as I walked to my hotel I noticed Rumpelmayer's ice cream parlour. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
And there was Una. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:59 | |
Basically the first thing Harry ever said to me was, | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
"You've the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
"Will you marry me?" | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
Obviously, no-one had ever said anything like that to me before, but it was very special. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
And, uh, he said, "No, no really," he said, | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
"What can I do to prove my intent?" | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
And we said, "Well, we like flowers and we like melons." | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
Now you might think that's a very odd thing to say, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
but perhaps I'd never really... | 0:53:22 | 0:53:24 | |
Well, I'd never eaten a honeydew melon. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
Right. Went to my hotel. I showered, sobered, changed. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:32 | |
The melons were easy, Smiler's Delicatessen. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
But the flowers, that's another question. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
11pm on a Sunday night, August 12th, 1973. Flowers at 11pm? | 0:53:39 | 0:53:45 | |
Hey, what about the docks? Right! | 0:53:45 | 0:53:49 | |
So we actually found a florist | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
and he was preparing for a funeral the next morning. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
At the end of the evening, when my friend and I were leaving, the manager came over | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
and he said, "There's a man waiting for, for you outside the kitchen." | 0:53:59 | 0:54:04 | |
And we were very excited and we went outside and there was Harry, | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
leaning nonchalantly against a long limousine and on the pavement | 0:54:08 | 0:54:15 | |
beside him he had baskets of um, uh, flowers and melons and soft toys. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:24 | |
They were totally knocked out. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:25 | |
They hugged me and they hugged me. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
It was the sweetest hug I'd ever had. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
# And I feel like it's going to get a whole lot better | 0:54:32 | 0:54:37 | |
# Better than the night before the night I met her | 0:54:37 | 0:54:42 | |
# Feel like it's going to get a whole lot better | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
# Better than the night before the night I met her. # | 0:54:45 | 0:54:50 | |
The day of the wedding it was like hell day hangover. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
The limo showed up. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:06 | |
Ringo gave me a toot for luck, | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
the limo driver gave me a gram for luck, and even the father, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
the priest, a priest of the church of God-knows-what, | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
shared another gram. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:17 | |
Now I was shaking so much I could barely stand. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:20 | |
So I said, "To hell with it, you only marry thrice." | 0:55:20 | 0:55:24 | |
The wedding ceremony. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
Phew! | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
We were married in... It was really a suite at the Marriott Hotel. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:35 | |
The wedding was organised very, very quickly. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:37 | |
Van Dyke Parks brought a priest, somebody else brought flowers | 0:55:37 | 0:55:43 | |
and somebody else hired an accordionist. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
Ringo Starr was our best man. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
And he was so funny. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
He went to Tiffany's and took a tray of rings | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
because he didn't know our sizes | 0:55:55 | 0:55:57 | |
and he sort of held this tray of rings out for us to choose. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:01 | |
In two tries he found the right sizes. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
Then it was my turn to place the beautiful golden circles | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
on the love of my life. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
Ringo said, "Oh, look, he's shaking." | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
And he helped me steady my hands, with Una, and slip on the ring. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
It was perfect. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
In 1974 Harry renegotiated his record deal with RCA records | 0:56:46 | 0:56:51 | |
and at that time got what I understand to be one of | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
the biggest advances in the history of the record business. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
PS, he did it with the help of John Lennon. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
It was John and I with Harry, and we marched into the president | 0:57:00 | 0:57:07 | |
of RCA at that time. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:08 | |
And Harry says, "Do you know. look who's in your office? | 0:57:08 | 0:57:15 | |
"It's John Lennon in this piece of shit record company's office. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:20 | |
"John Lennon is here!" | 0:57:20 | 0:57:21 | |
And, and John says, "Do you know who's stand... | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 | |
"This is Harry Nilsson, the greatest rock'n'roll singer! | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
"And you're fucking him over!" | 0:57:29 | 0:57:30 | |
There's John giving a speech saying, | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
"You're going to lose one of the greatest voices of all time. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
You've got to re-sign this man. You got to give him a record deal. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:42 | |
John was just going right for it. He didn't care. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:44 | |
He believed in Harry that much. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
The contracts that had sat there unsigned by them, | 0:57:46 | 0:57:49 | |
for over a year, he signed and sent them and Harry got his deal. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:55 | |
One, two, three, four. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
Harry would go into a session with a sheet of paper and 15 musicians. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:04 | |
And just one sheet of paper that he has. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
And we'd start. To us, I'm sure that he had it worked out in his brain, | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
but when it got to us, it was ideas. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
One, two, three four. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
Chris, could I have some Scotch, some water, some matches, | 0:58:17 | 0:58:21 | |
and some heroin, please? | 0:58:21 | 0:58:23 | |
There would be a lot of people around and it would be full on drug culture. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:28 | |
Harry, where's the shit, man? | 0:58:28 | 0:58:30 | |
And there would be a sort of a half-hearted attempt at making | 0:58:30 | 0:58:33 | |
a record going on, and a lot of confusion. | 0:58:33 | 0:58:37 | |
The line between, you know, | 0:58:37 | 0:58:40 | |
day and night and work and play. | 0:58:40 | 0:58:44 | |
It just disappeared entirely. | 0:58:44 | 0:58:48 | |
It, of course it was fun, | 0:58:48 | 0:58:51 | |
we were all in the bag and laughing and carrying on, | 0:58:51 | 0:58:54 | |
but it certainly was a silly way to make records. | 0:58:54 | 0:58:57 | |
OK, all right. | 0:58:57 | 0:59:02 | |
That's certainly worth risking. Let's go ahead. | 0:59:02 | 0:59:04 | |
We just ran out of tape anyway. Beautiful. | 0:59:04 | 0:59:06 | |
It was a very difficult time for him. | 0:59:06 | 0:59:08 | |
RCA was unhappy, um, obviously. | 0:59:08 | 0:59:12 | |
And he was unhappy. | 0:59:12 | 0:59:13 | |
You know, he was blaming them, | 0:59:13 | 0:59:15 | |
that they didn't know how to deal with his product. | 0:59:15 | 0:59:17 | |
And they were blaming him about the albums they were making. | 0:59:17 | 0:59:20 | |
And it got really uncomfortable | 0:59:20 | 0:59:22 | |
and they offered him money to buy him out. | 0:59:22 | 0:59:24 | |
I remember the day that Harry came over and said, yeah, he was laughing. | 0:59:24 | 0:59:29 | |
He was saying, "RCA Victor just gave me three million dollars. | 0:59:29 | 0:59:32 | |
"I'm going to retire. I'm buy an apartment building. | 0:59:32 | 0:59:34 | |
"I'm doing this and I'm doing that." | 0:59:34 | 0:59:37 | |
And he was bragging about it and pretending to be happy about it, | 0:59:37 | 0:59:41 | |
but the truth was, he was distraught because they had paid him off. | 0:59:41 | 0:59:47 | |
They had paid him off. | 0:59:47 | 0:59:49 | |
They wanted to get out from under the deal. | 0:59:49 | 0:59:53 | |
John Lennon was killed last night. | 0:59:53 | 0:59:55 | |
The former Beatle, 40 years old, was shot to death | 0:59:55 | 0:59:58 | |
as he and his wife, Yoko Ono, | 0:59:58 | 1:00:00 | |
were walking through the great arched entry way to The Dakota, | 1:00:00 | 1:00:03 | |
the landmark apartment building where they lived in New York. | 1:00:03 | 1:00:06 | |
I was with Harry on the night that John was shot. | 1:00:13 | 1:00:17 | |
And, he was in the studio. | 1:00:18 | 1:00:21 | |
It was that Monday night, cos we were all watching the football game, | 1:00:21 | 1:00:25 | |
and all of a sudden the flash came on the screen that said | 1:00:25 | 1:00:29 | |
John Lennon had been shot. | 1:00:29 | 1:00:31 | |
And we all freaked. | 1:00:31 | 1:00:35 | |
And it was like, "What?!" | 1:00:35 | 1:00:39 | |
You know, and everything just stopped for a minute | 1:00:39 | 1:00:41 | |
and people just looked at each other and shook their heads. | 1:00:41 | 1:00:45 | |
And I went in the bathroom and just put a wet towel on my face | 1:00:46 | 1:00:50 | |
and just said, "Jesus Christ, not him." | 1:00:50 | 1:00:53 | |
It devastated him, | 1:00:53 | 1:00:56 | |
because I don't think that Harry felt that they'd had their last conversation. | 1:00:56 | 1:01:00 | |
Well, it was so severe that we didn't talk about it, | 1:01:00 | 1:01:05 | |
between us. | 1:01:05 | 1:01:07 | |
# Cos nothing lasts forever | 1:01:09 | 1:01:11 | |
# But I will always love you. # | 1:01:12 | 1:01:21 | |
You know the old cliche, and most cliches are true. | 1:01:33 | 1:01:37 | |
Behind every great man is a great woman. | 1:01:37 | 1:01:38 | |
He was totally in love with Una, and it was very touching, | 1:01:38 | 1:01:43 | |
extremely touching. | 1:01:43 | 1:01:45 | |
I know he was married twice before and I don't, | 1:01:45 | 1:01:47 | |
I don't even know their names. I know nothing about that. | 1:01:47 | 1:01:51 | |
It seemed like when he found her that was it. | 1:01:51 | 1:01:53 | |
# Lean on me, lean on me | 1:01:53 | 1:02:00 | |
# You're the wind and I'm the sea | 1:02:00 | 1:02:05 | |
# Oh, lean on me... # | 1:02:05 | 1:02:08 | |
I found, uh, some sort of poem he wrote her, in which he said, | 1:02:08 | 1:02:12 | |
there have been, of all the great loves that have existed in history, | 1:02:12 | 1:02:17 | |
and he listed off a bunch of couples, maybe, um, | 1:02:17 | 1:02:20 | |
Romeo and Juliet and he said, Yoko and John, Harry and Una. | 1:02:20 | 1:02:25 | |
And Una had such a calm aura about her, she just... | 1:02:25 | 1:02:29 | |
Whatever he was doing crashing, bang or anything, she just was there. | 1:02:29 | 1:02:34 | |
It's nice when somebody finds the ballast in their life and I think Harry found it with Una. | 1:02:34 | 1:02:38 | |
She was the anchor, yeah. Good ole Mom. | 1:02:38 | 1:02:41 | |
And the other weird part about Harry, as outrageous as he was, he loved his children. | 1:02:41 | 1:02:46 | |
You know, and all these kids. | 1:02:46 | 1:02:48 | |
And he was very much about that. | 1:02:48 | 1:02:51 | |
When any of the children would walk into the room, he was just, he would light up. | 1:02:51 | 1:02:55 | |
They were climbing all over him. They were on his back, they were on his head... | 1:02:55 | 1:02:59 | |
They were, uh...adored, cherished, | 1:02:59 | 1:03:03 | |
treasured, pampered, uh... | 1:03:03 | 1:03:08 | |
Given every luxury imaginable | 1:03:08 | 1:03:13 | |
and every latitude, in terms of their behaviour. | 1:03:13 | 1:03:16 | |
I mean, he was absolutely one of the most doting, loving dads I've ever seen. | 1:03:16 | 1:03:22 | |
He was really hands-on, being careful, being caring and, | 1:03:22 | 1:03:28 | |
um, always talking about Una and his children. | 1:03:28 | 1:03:32 | |
# There's nothing left to say | 1:03:32 | 1:03:36 | |
# I'll pack up my memories Then I'll walk away... # | 1:03:36 | 1:03:41 | |
A lot of things went domino at the end there. A very bad, uh... | 1:03:41 | 1:03:45 | |
series of circumstances, including the threat of bankruptcy | 1:03:45 | 1:03:51 | |
and lawsuits that might come from it. Once again, back where he began. | 1:03:51 | 1:03:57 | |
In the early '90s, his business manager, who was his accountant, | 1:03:57 | 1:04:01 | |
who he had trusted implicitly, | 1:04:01 | 1:04:03 | |
and who had control over all of his money, | 1:04:03 | 1:04:05 | |
embezzled virtually all of his money. | 1:04:05 | 1:04:09 | |
His financial world, which he was so proud of, for his children | 1:04:09 | 1:04:13 | |
and for his family, all fell apart. | 1:04:13 | 1:04:15 | |
And, um, that was a cruel trick. | 1:04:15 | 1:04:18 | |
And, um, and that's what broke my heart for him, you know. | 1:04:18 | 1:04:21 | |
That shouldn't have happened, shouldn't have happened to anybody, | 1:04:21 | 1:04:24 | |
shouldn't have happened to him. | 1:04:24 | 1:04:26 | |
He got very caught up in trying to sell the house, trying to get money. | 1:04:26 | 1:04:29 | |
He was selling off his library of music. | 1:04:29 | 1:04:31 | |
It was a point that really made me sad, because he had all these CDs | 1:04:31 | 1:04:35 | |
that he was going around to ad agencies | 1:04:35 | 1:04:37 | |
trying to sell his songs for commercials to get some money. | 1:04:37 | 1:04:41 | |
It was, um... | 1:04:41 | 1:04:43 | |
an incredible blow to him. | 1:04:43 | 1:04:45 | |
And I don't think he ever recovered. | 1:04:45 | 1:04:47 | |
A man wants to be a success, he wants to be a good provider | 1:04:47 | 1:04:51 | |
and the things that he had worked for, uh, were gone. | 1:04:51 | 1:04:56 | |
So it was really, really hard. | 1:04:56 | 1:04:58 | |
The last thing he recorded that was ever released was, uh... | 1:05:10 | 1:05:13 | |
I Love New York in June, How About You? for Fisher King. | 1:05:13 | 1:05:18 | |
# I like New York in June How about you...? # | 1:05:18 | 1:05:26 | |
It was back in 1991, I had gotten a call from Harry | 1:05:26 | 1:05:30 | |
saying he was going to London to do The Fisher King. | 1:05:30 | 1:05:34 | |
And, uh, I asked him if I could go along with him. | 1:05:34 | 1:05:37 | |
I don't think he was expecting that, but, uh, he said, "Yes." | 1:05:37 | 1:05:40 | |
His voice had gone by then, I mean, | 1:05:40 | 1:05:42 | |
but it was still quite wonderful cos he could always work it. | 1:05:42 | 1:05:46 | |
It was his great instrument. | 1:05:46 | 1:05:48 | |
And, uh, even his whistle was gone by then, but he still whistled in the thing. | 1:05:48 | 1:05:52 | |
HE WHISTLES SONG | 1:05:52 | 1:05:54 | |
That turned out to be not only the first, but the last time | 1:06:03 | 1:06:06 | |
that we'd spend a significant amount of time together, just the two of us. | 1:06:06 | 1:06:10 | |
I remember on the last night before I had to leave | 1:06:10 | 1:06:12 | |
we agreed to stay up all night, in the hotel room, talking about whatever, and we did. | 1:06:12 | 1:06:16 | |
Around 4am he got too tired and he had to go to sleep, | 1:06:16 | 1:06:20 | |
so I left after that, but that's a good memory for me. | 1:06:20 | 1:06:23 | |
# I like it, how about you? | 1:06:23 | 1:06:31 | |
# Try, try, try... | 1:06:48 | 1:06:52 | |
# You're a winner if you Try, try, try... | 1:06:52 | 1:06:57 | |
# Give it all you have... # | 1:06:57 | 1:06:59 | |
I never saw a nobler human being than Harry Nilsson | 1:06:59 | 1:07:03 | |
in the final couple of years of his life. | 1:07:03 | 1:07:06 | |
He was as happy and as brave and as confident | 1:07:06 | 1:07:12 | |
as any man I've ever seen. | 1:07:12 | 1:07:13 | |
As ill as he was, he pulled his family out of bankruptcy. | 1:07:13 | 1:07:17 | |
He pulled himself together. | 1:07:17 | 1:07:19 | |
He faced what he was facing with as much good humour as you could possibly imagine. | 1:07:19 | 1:07:26 | |
This was 1993, when my dad had a heart attack. | 1:07:26 | 1:07:30 | |
He'd felt these chest pains, tried to ignore it like it was nothing. | 1:07:30 | 1:07:35 | |
Then he goes to the doctor and the doctor says, "You've had this major heart attack. | 1:07:35 | 1:07:38 | |
"What are you doing not calling an ambulance?" | 1:07:38 | 1:07:40 | |
After that first heart attack I called him and he said, | 1:07:40 | 1:07:44 | |
"I've had hangovers that were worse." | 1:07:44 | 1:07:46 | |
And it was a massive heart attack. | 1:07:46 | 1:07:48 | |
He'd use a lot of it as a lesson. | 1:07:48 | 1:07:51 | |
"Look, kids, this is what happens if you're a rock'n'roller all your life. | 1:07:51 | 1:07:54 | |
And he blamed a lot of the health, he would express it to me, anyway, | 1:07:54 | 1:07:58 | |
that, that fast living is not the key to longevity | 1:07:58 | 1:08:04 | |
He just sort of told me, that's the odd thing about it. | 1:08:04 | 1:08:08 | |
And he just said, "Doug, you know, they told me I got a year." | 1:08:08 | 1:08:11 | |
And I went, "What?!" | 1:08:11 | 1:08:13 | |
He said, "Yeah." Just like that. | 1:08:13 | 1:08:15 | |
And that was that side of him I was talking about before. | 1:08:15 | 1:08:19 | |
That what was painful, he wasn't going to let it out that way. | 1:08:19 | 1:08:22 | |
I knew he was in bad shape. | 1:08:22 | 1:08:25 | |
I knew he was trying to get better. | 1:08:25 | 1:08:27 | |
I knew that he had to be connected to machines every now and then, you know? | 1:08:27 | 1:08:30 | |
An oxygen tank. I knew it wasn't good. | 1:08:30 | 1:08:33 | |
You know, his hair was getting grey and it was just this awful image. | 1:08:33 | 1:08:37 | |
And so I think I really hid from him for the last few months. | 1:08:37 | 1:08:43 | |
So I don't have strong memories of it. | 1:08:43 | 1:08:47 | |
Except just, like... | 1:08:47 | 1:08:49 | |
Just fear, and watching him sort of deteriorate, which I couldn't handle, you know? | 1:08:49 | 1:08:55 | |
After a while, they communicated to him that it doesn't look good. | 1:08:55 | 1:09:00 | |
So, my dad was able to use that opportunity to tell all of us anything that was on his mind. | 1:09:00 | 1:09:05 | |
And we were able to tell my dad anything that was on our minds, | 1:09:05 | 1:09:09 | |
on the days leading up towards the end. | 1:09:09 | 1:09:11 | |
# Take a look around | 1:09:11 | 1:09:13 | |
# See what you have found | 1:09:13 | 1:09:16 | |
# It's so easy If you try, try, try... # | 1:09:16 | 1:09:20 | |
The last night of Harry's life, we'd had a very busy day | 1:09:21 | 1:09:25 | |
and we went to bed and we were watching a movie, Enchanted April. | 1:09:25 | 1:09:29 | |
I wasn't able to stay awake to the end of the movie and I said, | 1:09:29 | 1:09:32 | |
"Oh, I'm sorry, Harry, I'm going to fall asleep." | 1:09:32 | 1:09:36 | |
And he said, "I want you to know I love you sooooo much." | 1:09:36 | 1:09:42 | |
Making the "so" as long as he could. | 1:09:42 | 1:09:45 | |
And that's the last thing he ever said to me. | 1:09:47 | 1:09:50 | |
# It's the perfect way | 1:09:59 | 1:10:16 | |
# To end a perfect day... # | 1:10:16 | 1:10:30 | |
I just remember thinking, "Earthquake?!" | 1:10:30 | 1:10:32 | |
Like, what's going on? | 1:10:32 | 1:10:34 | |
You know? | 1:10:34 | 1:10:35 | |
Who designed this series of events? | 1:10:35 | 1:10:38 | |
I was at a friend's house in Topanga Canyon and it threw me half the way across the room. | 1:10:38 | 1:10:42 | |
And it was like Harry saying, "Hey!" | 1:10:42 | 1:10:45 | |
HE LAUGHS | 1:10:45 | 1:10:47 | |
"I'm not going out like that." | 1:10:47 | 1:10:49 | |
Throughout the day, including the service, there were aftershocks. | 1:10:49 | 1:10:53 | |
And quite severe aftershocks. | 1:10:53 | 1:10:55 | |
So, we're sitting there, and I thought, "Oh, that's really kind of fitting." | 1:10:55 | 1:10:58 | |
Cos here's Harry, you know, even now he's gone, still shaking stuff up. | 1:10:58 | 1:11:02 | |
Because we're just sitting there... | 1:11:02 | 1:11:04 | |
and the casket would shake. | 1:11:04 | 1:11:06 | |
You know, really surreal. | 1:11:06 | 1:11:08 | |
There was a huge shake during the funeral. | 1:11:08 | 1:11:12 | |
And I said, "It's Harry, just got to heaven and found the bar's closed." | 1:11:12 | 1:11:16 | |
When we went to the actual gravesite, we're all standing around. | 1:11:18 | 1:11:22 | |
And George Harrison is there, looking quite sad. | 1:11:22 | 1:11:26 | |
And he looks at me and goes, | 1:11:26 | 1:11:28 | |
"You know my favourite Harry song?" | 1:11:28 | 1:11:30 | |
And I went, "It's tough to pick." He goes, "Fuck You." | 1:11:30 | 1:11:34 | |
And I went, "What?" Thinking that he was like... | 1:11:34 | 1:11:37 | |
And he goes, "No, Fuck You." Come on, let's sing it for Harry. | 1:11:37 | 1:11:39 | |
And around the grave, six of us went... | 1:11:39 | 1:11:42 | |
# You're breaking my heart | 1:11:42 | 1:11:44 | |
# You're tearing it apart | 1:11:44 | 1:11:45 | |
# So fuck you! # Looking at the casket. | 1:11:45 | 1:11:48 | |
And when we did that, it was such a bittersweet sorrow. | 1:11:48 | 1:11:53 | |
But there was not a man or a woman around the casket | 1:11:53 | 1:11:58 | |
that didn't have that smile on their face, that you said to me, | 1:11:58 | 1:12:02 | |
"Whenever I say Harry Nilsson, people go, | 1:12:02 | 1:12:05 | |
"'Phew, Harry.'" | 1:12:05 | 1:12:07 | |
And that smile, at that time, | 1:12:07 | 1:12:09 | |
was all around. | 1:12:09 | 1:12:11 | |
# He's a pretty nifty guy | 1:12:26 | 1:12:28 | |
# Always looks you in the eye | 1:12:28 | 1:12:31 | |
# Everybody passing by will sigh for Harry | 1:12:31 | 1:12:35 | |
Oh, Harry! | 1:12:35 | 1:12:37 | |
# I've known him for a little while | 1:12:37 | 1:12:39 | |
# He always has a friendly smile | 1:12:39 | 1:12:42 | |
# He doesn't give a damn For what's in style, this Harry... | 1:12:42 | 1:12:46 | |
WHISTLING | 1:12:46 | 1:12:48 | |
# Ooh, about that man called Harry | 1:12:58 | 1:13:03 | |
# Want to marry, with Harry | 1:13:03 | 1:13:05 | |
# Harry, Harry, Harry Harry, Harry. # | 1:13:05 | 1:13:08 | |
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