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One of the most intriguing photographers of the 20th century

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took her first known pictures here.

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Her photos weren't seen in her lifetime.

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Most she didn't even print,

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but saw just once in her viewfinder as she took them.

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It was 3,000 miles away in America

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that Vivian Maier spent her life.

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She worked as a nanny

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and every day she took pictures -

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150,000 of them.

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She was a poet of suburbia.

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A secret street photographer,

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before the term was really invented.

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The shadows of the America of her time

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fall across Vivian Maier's photographs.

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Just before she died, four years ago,

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her life's work was discovered by accident

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in storage lockers in Chicago.

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It proved a treasure trove for the finders.

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People found it hard to believe

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that Mary Poppins with a camera could have taken these pictures.

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It's a classic parable of the artist, unsung in life.

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Van Gogh once said,

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"Stars are the souls of dead poets,

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"but to become a star, you have to die."

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I was the manager of a movie theatre here in Chicago.

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I noticed her, cos she was kind of an odd bird and er...

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she came probably three or four times a month

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for 13 years and she was also the type of person

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I think you could potentially wonder if she was a little crazy.

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I did notice her camera,

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but with her vintage clothing, I just thought it was part of the costume.

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The rest of my staff at the theatre thought she was mean.

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They would say, "Oh, I don't want to deal with her.

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"Jim, can you go talk to her?"

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I never saw her come with anybody and I never saw her talk to anybody.

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After the films, she would be leaving at 11 or midnight

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and I would wonder where she would go.

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Didn't seem homeless, but she seemed close.

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She loved seeing a Buster Keaton film with children in the room.

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They would be laughing and the piano would be playing

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and it was just a really magical moment.

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Did you know she was a nanny?

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No idea.

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To be honest with you, I was a little afraid to...

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try to know too much about her.

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Now, I sort of regret not prying a little bit

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and finding out about her life,

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it seems so interesting in retrospect.

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And I was just a little bit afraid to get deep with this woman, you know.

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This is Inger Raymond,

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one of Vivian Maier's charges.

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Vivian took hundreds of photographs of Inger,

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almost all of which she's never seen before.

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Many were taken on this beach.

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If Miss Maier was out here,

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she would wait until one of the kids was crawling

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right between that little ice cave hole.

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That was where she would take a picture.

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-When the printer was printing this...

-Mmm.

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..he didn't realise someone was hiding inside of the cupboard.

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Really? Oh, my God!

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All of a sudden, he saw this, this eyeball.

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It makes a very eerie look,

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but I know what it is, it's one of those large sewer pipes.

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I love that image because it is so dramatic, it's stark,

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it's er...film noir, almost.

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If you look at it closely,

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there is a cross right on the face,

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right on my face, and it's this almost caged-animal look with cross.

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It's very interesting.

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When she took her photos, she would be completely and utterly focused.

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I mean, it was just, you know, instant, you know, absolute,

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erm...concentration...

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..that it would be done.

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I think even if she was here,

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she couldn't explain her photography to us

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because she didn't like talking about her photography

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and most of the people who knew her,

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and there are very few people who knew her,

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she never talked about her photography.

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So everything that we can learn about her is going to come from pictures,

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because they show us what she liked,

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what she disliked, what she was drawn to.

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We really are just left with the images.

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Vivian Maier used to haunt this market

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with a movie camera as well as her stills camera.

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"Stare, pry, listen, eavesdrop, die knowing something,

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"you're not here long."

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The flea market is a shadow of its former self,

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but still the happy hunting ground of pickers, treasure hunters.

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And pickers love old photos and postcards.

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Oh, man, you get the trucker photos, I get the racing photos.

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Vivian Maier's work was brought to light

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by people just like those she used to photograph.

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-What do you think?

-I just got here this morning.

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Ron Slattery was the first to buy Vivian's work at auction in 2007.

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The Chicago stuff's great.

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Postcards?

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Yeah, these are old postcards.

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Roger Gunderson was the auctioneer who sold it to him.

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Oh, there you go. That's nice.

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There's Lake Street with the...

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That's pretty cool, isn't it?

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Vivian Maier had no home of her own,

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so she kept her life's work in storage lockers.

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But in her old age, she was no longer able to pay the rent,

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so the contents of the lockers were sold.

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What would she have paid

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to keep that stuff in storage over the years?

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Thousands of dollars, I would imagine.

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Is, isn't that sort of tragic, in a way,

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that she puts all her life's work into storage

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and she's paying out these huge sums of money for it

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-and then she loses it all?

-And, and it all goes away, yeah.

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When her lockers were put up for sale,

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half a dozen dealers turned up.

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All they saw were old suitcases and boxes.

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They'd open the door and you'd bid from the doorway, you'd look,

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you couldn't touch, what you see is what you get.

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And it was always a big gamble.

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You might end up with something worth nothing

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or you might end up with something worth millions,

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-which, as it happens...

-It happens.

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Roger bought five lockers full of Vivian Maier's stuff.

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It filled one and a half trucks,

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unloaded here in this auction room.

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'Had I known that this thing was going to get as big as it had,

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'I would have saved every crumb of paper I had.'

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And these are the trucks that you put all Vivian's stuff in?

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Yes, this one right here.

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'But we threw some away, personal writings and things like that,

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'some of that stuff that, hindsight being 20/20, had we known, we would have kept it.'

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But we, we sold it, we turned it, we made money - deal.

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The Vivian Maier phenomenon had begun.

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Now, New York galleries sell new prints, often made from negatives

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that Vivian never even developed, for upwards of 2,000.

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Vintage prints made in Vivian's lifetime go for 8,000.

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It's a complete accident that the world has stumbled on her work.

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It could very easily have been destroyed without anyone knowing about it.

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Vivian Maier, unlike any other photographer I can think of,

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made her work entirely for herself.

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She had no audience, she knew no other photographers,

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she didn't really print her work, except in the most rudimentary form.

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She didn't exhibit her work or publish her work.

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It was a project entirely self-motivated,

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entirely self-fulfilling

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and this creates a certain freedom, a certain independence.

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It's her own personal voice.

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Vivian Maier worked in a variety of genres -

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she took street photography,

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wandering around the streets of Chicago and New York,

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indigene people on the street, because they're on the street

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and just marvellously expressive moment.

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She does wonderful portraits

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that are of distinctive characters

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that she is able to capture in a moment,

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everything is moving very, very fast.

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She would definitely be very close

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in order to capture the way his hair is stuck to his forehead

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and this anxious expression.

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She's very much like a poet

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who's trying to just observe very carefully,

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for personal reasons - to look at the world

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and locate what's important to her,

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what interests her,

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capture it in a photograph.

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It's exceedingly personal.

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There is humour in her work.

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This is a picture of one of the children

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that Vivian Maier took care of.

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She photographed while she was working, moonlighting on the job.

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Some of those remain in the...realm of snapshots.

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But many of them transcend that genre

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and become more observations about children, about family,

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about the suburbs...

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Youth confronting age.

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Who's going to have the time and the space to be in somebody's backyard,

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taking that kind of picture?

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A nanny would, you know, who's also a great photographer.

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I mean, all her self-portraits intrigue me, cos er...

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..you know, they're her and she intrigues me.

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She was interested in seeing

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how she fit into the world.

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We believe that she never fully realised her work,

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so we are helping her to realise it,

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by printing it in a certain way, by editing it in a certain way,

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picking the pictures that have meaning to us,

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erm... You know, it's, it is what it is.

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It's a very unique case.

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Ron Slattery owns about 2,000 of Vivian's prints and negatives,

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which he is NOT selling.

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Let's start with this one.

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'Would you tell us what you paid for them?'

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250.

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And away we go.

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-'For how many photographs?

-'My whole collection.'

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For the same sum, the auctioneer got all five lockers.

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'Did you make a lot of money out of it?'

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Somewhere between 15,000 and 20,000.

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Do you wish on some days, when you wake up in the morning,

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that you'd actually kept it all?

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Well, hindsight being 20/20, sure.

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That's one of my favourites.

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'But when we first started selling this, nobody knew,'

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even the people buying I don't think knew.

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Did you see the photos before you bought them?

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Nah, I just kind of looked it was like, "Oh, neato - photos," and bought them.

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'At the time, I was buying so many photographs.

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'That is, putting them into boxes and putting them into storage,

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'much the same way Vivian did.'

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That's Vivian Maier.

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A very unique self-portrait.

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Vivian never saw anything like the beautiful large prints

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that are being made today.

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When she saw prints at all, they were usually small ones like these,

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supplied by the drugstore or made by her in her lodgings.

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Ron's collection would be dwarfed by others.

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There was a gentleman named Randy who bought some.

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One man, John Maloof, left an absentee bid on a box of negatives,

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just a little bit of everybody,

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so that's kind of where her work kind of went "Whoop!"

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When I went through some boxes in 2008,

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I pulled out the slides and went, "Wow, these are cool,"

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posted some on my website.

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John starts making prints from Vivian's negatives

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and selling them on eBay.

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Alan Secular, who's an art professor in California,

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contacted John and said, "This is very important."

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At this point was where he went, "Ding! OK."

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He started collecting as much of the work as he could.

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So Vivian's pictures were starting to appear online,

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but who was making the selection?

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It worries some people.

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I'll be the first to honour the quality of the work,

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but, at the same time, I'm concerned,

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because we're only seeing pictures

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that the people who bought the suitcases decided to edit

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and, and what kind of editors are they?

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What would she have edited out of this work

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and what would she have printed?

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How do any of us know who the real Vivian Maier is?

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So you were telling the world about Vivian -

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did you ever think to seek out Vivian yourself?

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John and I both googled up Vivian.

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And we're searching for her, we could find no information.

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The first thing that popped up was her obituary after she passed away.

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John Maloof now owns the lion's share of Vivian's work.

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He declined to take part in this film, because he's making his own.

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The second biggest owner is now Jeff Goldstein, an artist and carpenter.

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You've changed your entire life, Jeff -

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you've given up your vocation

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-and now you're just in the Vivian Maier business.

-Right.

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And you're not the only one in this genre, of course,

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there's John Maloof. What does that make you feel?

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Well, we spend half of our time trying to push our projects forward

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and I think we spend the other half

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trying not to look like public assholes.

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We're under global scrutiny.

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Her house is right around the corner up here.

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And this is a pretty tough neighbourhood to be.

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There was a fair amount of drug activity, a fair amount of crime takes place.

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So this was her, her last residence here.

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-That's the door?

-Yeah.

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Did she photograph a lot around this area?

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She did, along this stretch of Howard Street -

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there's a beautiful shot coming off the bridge,

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looking down in fact this way, the train tracks.

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She fell and hit her head actually right by those tracks.

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Really?

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And she was taken to a local hospital, resisted help

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and they thought she would recover,

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but, apparently, that was not the case.

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So during that period when the storage locker sales were happening,

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she was in hospital, recovering from this accident?

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That's my understanding.

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Yeah, I really came into this about a year later,

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which, in some ways, is nice for me.

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How do you mean by that?

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She went into arrears, her lockers came up...

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I'm thankful to be one step removed from all of that.

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Jeff bought the bulk of his collection from Randy Prow,

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who'd bought it at Roger's auctions.

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When these transactions take place,

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it's not for the faint of heart,

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it's not a standard art acquisition.

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People are on their guard.

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How did you get hold of these pictures?

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I initially went down to where Randy Prow lives, in Southern Indiana,

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it's a good eight-hour drive from Chicago.

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And I brought along someone with me, a retired fireman, Chicago fireman,

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er...pretty burly, good-size guy

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and I met up with Randy, who I had never, hadn't met before,

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in an abandoned warehouse in a run-down section in this town.

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Randy had somebody with HIM for backup,

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so we both came into this being pretty leery of one another.

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Randy's guy was much bigger than my guy.

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-You carried the money with you?

-Yeah.

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It looked like I had a vest with bricks attached to it,

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so like, the type they wear in the army for protection, I guess.

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Later, Randy was ready to sell even more of Vivian's work.

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More and more people were hearing about it,

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so the last purchase price was astronomical.

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It was something I couldn't handle alone,

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and so John Maloof and I got together

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to make the last purchase from Randy Prow.

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I went down with John and his friend Tony -

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I had my friend Rick, who was an off-duty Chicago cop.

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Rick comes armed, and Randy brought his brother, who came armed.

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There was a great deal of intensity in that room,

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cos you, you just don't know what may or may not happen.

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I was sweating some bullets in there.

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No pun intended.

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So who was this elusive woman

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who took these thousands of photographs...

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..often full of tenderness, like a parent's,

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but always from the outside?

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All these were taken in the '50s and '60s

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when she was working as a nanny in the suburbs north of Chicago.

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She worked in several houses,

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but for by far the longest time

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with a family called the Ginsbergs.

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Vivian's family,

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they were very much a hub of that neighbourhood

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and I think she probably enjoyed it...

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..enjoyed the erm...the energy that flowed from their family.

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It was a prosperous community,

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probably predominantly Jewish.

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It was really a neighbourhood in a very old-fashioned way.

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We ice-skated, we went to the beach.

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She rode a bicycle -

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we all rode bicycles, children,

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but...but grown-ups seldom did.

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And she always had her camera.

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I remember Vivian taking photographs of the kids

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as they were just lounging around

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and being surprised that there was no eye contact,

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she was just into her viewfinder.

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And...it was fascinating...

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to see somebody who was er...

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part of the group,

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but also had found a way to...to wall herself off from it.

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Her favourite camera helped with this.

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This is the same model as her first Rolleiflex, this opens...

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'Artist and lecturer Pamela Bannos showed us how.

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'She's been researching Vivian's life work and tools.'

0:24:450:24:50

So we look through this viewfinder.

0:24:500:24:52

You can see how difficult that is to see, to get accustomed to.

0:24:520:24:55

-She looked straight down...

-Yeah.

-..and out.

0:24:550:24:58

So this is a twin-lens camera,

0:24:580:24:59

you're actually looking through this upper lens

0:24:590:25:01

and the photograph is being made through the lower lens.

0:25:010:25:04

One thumb would turn this dial,

0:25:040:25:06

the other thumb would turn this dial,

0:25:060:25:08

we press that button and we've made the picture. Down in there to look...

0:25:080:25:11

'To look down in a camera

0:25:110:25:13

'means you're not making eye contact with people,'

0:25:130:25:16

and for a woman photographer,

0:25:160:25:20

it was a good disguise,

0:25:200:25:22

because, to be out on the streets,

0:25:220:25:25

you had to have the personality for it,

0:25:250:25:29

but you also needed a tool that allowed you to stay invisible.

0:25:290:25:35

And she looked like a schoolmarm,

0:25:350:25:38

she looked innocent -

0:25:380:25:40

it allowed her to get into the living space of lots of people.

0:25:400:25:47

When I look back at all the pictures,

0:25:510:25:55

she was clearly focusing in

0:25:550:25:58

on the relationship of children and their parents.

0:25:580:26:02

Some of it was very sweet,

0:26:040:26:08

but some of it was...I think maybe judgemental.

0:26:080:26:13

It may also have been

0:26:160:26:18

that she was noticing something about that community,

0:26:180:26:23

some kind of...edginess and picking up on it.

0:26:230:26:29

The camera presented this magical transition for her

0:26:310:26:39

that allowed her to see people and to get places

0:26:390:26:44

without being...caught doing it,

0:26:440:26:47

and people allowed it because she wasn't there.

0:26:470:26:52

She was just in the viewfinder.

0:26:540:26:57

In order to live in someone else's family and care for their kids,

0:26:590:27:04

you have to be both present and absent at the same time.

0:27:040:27:09

And she knew how to achieve that kind of balance

0:27:090:27:13

and she carried it out, it seems to me,

0:27:130:27:15

in her work on the street too - she's definitely non-threatening.

0:27:150:27:19

Her eye was so excellent for catching

0:27:230:27:29

not just the character of the people she was photographing,

0:27:290:27:35

but also the moment in history.

0:27:350:27:40

She got Chicago in the '50s and early '60s in a very precise way,

0:27:400:27:48

she got the things that...that made it that moment.

0:27:480:27:54

There was always a degree of separation

0:28:000:28:04

between Vivian and everyone else.

0:28:040:28:07

She was clearly a recluse.

0:28:070:28:10

The south here was er...my dad's dental office

0:28:120:28:16

and upstairs was a room that Dad had given to Miss Maier to stay.

0:28:160:28:22

She actually completely filled the room with newspapers

0:28:220:28:26

and pictures and stuff,

0:28:260:28:27

so much that my dad had to put a steel jack underneath

0:28:270:28:31

to hold the floor up

0:28:310:28:32

and he couldn't figure out why the ceiling was sagging.

0:28:320:28:34

She did hoard things

0:28:370:28:38

and she brought a lot of possessions into the house.

0:28:380:28:41

Her bedroom, initially, was very simple

0:28:410:28:45

and, in no short order,

0:28:450:28:47

she ended up bringing in all her possessions -

0:28:470:28:50

boxes, newspapers, er...lots of clothes,

0:28:500:28:56

lots of different items,

0:28:560:28:58

and it got to the point where this sparsely populated room was unbelievably crowded

0:28:580:29:06

and, in fact, you had to almost narrow your way in

0:29:060:29:10

on the occasions that she, you know, she'd let you in,

0:29:100:29:13

because she was very, very private.

0:29:130:29:15

It was really, really strange to see so many pictures of myself.

0:29:170:29:20

I saw a few pictures when I was very little...

0:29:200:29:24

..but after that, no, I mean, she, she kept them all to herself,

0:29:270:29:30

so no, I had no clue.

0:29:300:29:32

My mom was a photography editor for newspapers,

0:29:350:29:40

she worked with a lot of photographers,

0:29:400:29:42

but Miss Maier never, ever showed her any of the photos,

0:29:420:29:47

so it was kind of unusual that way.

0:29:470:29:49

I always called her Miss Maier

0:29:530:29:55

and that was what she wanted me to call her,

0:29:550:29:59

or my parents. Never Vivian,

0:29:590:30:02

and she would take your head off if you used anything else.

0:30:020:30:07

Sometimes she would hand her box camera to me

0:30:090:30:12

and she wanted me to take a picture of herself.

0:30:120:30:14

And I think you took that picture.

0:30:140:30:16

Let's see, half her head cut off and... Yeah, that would be me.

0:30:160:30:20

'She wanted that focus of that camera'

0:30:200:30:22

just so. And she'd be frustrated

0:30:220:30:25

because she didn't think I could get it to the point where she wanted it.

0:30:250:30:29

She told me about the importance of the contrast between dark and light.

0:30:310:30:36

When we'd go on our walks,

0:30:440:30:45

she'd take me all over the place.

0:30:450:30:47

After she got done the supper, she would leave,

0:31:130:31:16

and she would walk to this train station

0:31:160:31:19

headed towards Chicago area.

0:31:190:31:21

That's all we knew. I never heard where she went.

0:31:270:31:30

She never told anybody...

0:31:300:31:32

..and she would be very angry if we asked.

0:31:330:31:35

Whenever she could, Vivian would take the train

0:31:450:31:47

from the northern suburbs, where she worked, to downtown Chicago.

0:31:470:31:51

TRAIN TANNOY: Doors closing.

0:32:120:32:14

The pictures that we're looking at were all taken

0:32:150:32:17

within just a few blocks of here.

0:32:170:32:19

The man sitting by an old subway station

0:32:190:32:23

probably would have been taken right here. He was kind of panhandling.

0:32:230:32:27

It was such a contrast to the life that she was leading in the suburbs.

0:32:290:32:33

She was looking for people.

0:32:330:32:34

The best way to capture the energy of a city

0:32:360:32:39

and to understand the city is on the streets.

0:32:390:32:41

She wasn't on a tour bus, she wasn't from afar,

0:32:410:32:44

she was down at street level.

0:32:440:32:46

Some of them aren't quite down and out, are they?

0:32:490:32:51

Some of them are elderly people who are rather ornate in their own way.

0:32:510:32:57

It's funny because, as you look at these different pictures,

0:32:570:33:00

so many were taken on this corner.

0:33:000:33:02

The Marshall Field's clocks were kind of a meeting place -

0:33:020:33:05

people would say, "Meet me under the Marshall Field's clock."

0:33:050:33:08

"The camera is an instrument of detection.

0:33:160:33:19

"We photograph not only what we know, but also what we don't know."

0:33:190:33:23

We're going on to the South Side to meet Sara Paretsky,

0:33:430:33:46

a detective writer whose heroine also walked these mean streets.

0:33:460:33:50

The danger that this area, wandering around here - I mean,

0:33:530:33:56

how do you see that mystery woman side of Vivian?

0:33:560:34:00

My sense of her was that she didn't think about it,

0:34:000:34:04

that she was so focused on her quest

0:34:040:34:06

that she didn't think about whether she was personally at risk.

0:34:060:34:11

I think she had an intense interest in people who, in some ways,

0:34:140:34:20

were like her, and were on the margins

0:34:200:34:23

of the more glittery world

0:34:230:34:26

that she worked for but wasn't part of.

0:34:260:34:30

I think it can be reassuring

0:34:300:34:32

to know that you're not alone

0:34:320:34:35

in that kind of outsider world.

0:34:350:34:40

And also, you know, she worked hard for a living

0:34:400:34:43

and these are people who worked hard for a living.

0:34:430:34:47

I also get a sense of...

0:34:470:34:50

a kind of a loneliness or anomie that is, is really painful,

0:34:500:34:55

and I wonder if she selected those shots

0:34:550:34:59

out of her own sense of loneliness.

0:34:590:35:02

She must have felt

0:35:030:35:05

that there was something about her that was rootless,

0:35:050:35:07

that wasn't weighted down, and that

0:35:070:35:10

as many images as she could take somehow gave her weight.

0:35:100:35:13

Photography can be kind of a lonely profession,

0:35:150:35:19

and it's something that one actually

0:35:190:35:22

has a lot of alone-time with.

0:35:220:35:24

That's probably part of her success,

0:35:280:35:30

she had a lot of alone-time.

0:35:300:35:32

This is how she managed to do what she did.

0:35:330:35:36

She actually was the personification of finding art.

0:35:410:35:47

She walked into a picture, she saw it happening,

0:35:470:35:50

she took a picture and she left.

0:35:500:35:52

Camera shop staff like Pat were among the few

0:35:550:35:58

who ever got to see any of Vivian's pictures.

0:35:580:36:01

She mostly showed me street scenes,

0:36:020:36:04

sometimes some pretty bad neighbourhoods.

0:36:040:36:07

This woman was going on foot.

0:36:080:36:10

I'm also surprised that she just emerged unscathed.

0:36:100:36:14

She would have been prey to someone

0:36:140:36:16

who would have wanted the camera or something.

0:36:160:36:20

I've been here since I was 14

0:36:200:36:23

and I can remember her sort of coming in

0:36:230:36:25

as early as that. And...it didn't matter the weather outside,

0:36:250:36:30

but mainly, it was late in the afternoons.

0:36:300:36:34

Yeah, she wore heavy er...shit-kicker shoes,

0:36:340:36:39

long skirts, dark clothing, wintertime heavy coats,

0:36:390:36:42

lots of scarves.

0:36:420:36:43

She treated people as people and whether she liked people,

0:36:450:36:49

that was another story that day or she didn't like people that day.

0:36:490:36:52

And she did not like women who were trying to act like women.

0:36:520:36:56

If you had make-up on, I think she basically would cut you off.

0:36:580:37:02

Men - aggressive or too many questions.

0:37:020:37:05

"Goodbye - could someone else take care of me?"

0:37:050:37:08

I mean, she was right to the point.

0:37:080:37:10

Sometimes, very rarely, she would open up the roll, to decide...

0:37:100:37:15

She'd say, "Come here," and you know, "You can look at them with me."

0:37:150:37:19

But not too often, mainly it was private.

0:37:190:37:22

I don't honestly remember the pictures,

0:37:250:37:30

just that it was black and white and it was people things.

0:37:300:37:33

With a Rolleiflex, she had just 12 shots

0:37:410:37:44

and then had to reload the film -

0:37:440:37:46

not easy in the open air.

0:37:460:37:48

She shot about a roll of film a day.

0:37:480:37:51

She spent virtually all her earnings on film, equipment and storage.

0:37:510:37:56

Unlike most photographers,

0:37:590:38:01

Vivian tended to take just one shot and move on.

0:38:010:38:04

Her hit rate was phenomenal.

0:38:040:38:05

This is a roll of film, the order in which they were taken.

0:38:100:38:13

It's kids getting on a bus in the morning for school.

0:38:130:38:18

She drops them off,

0:38:180:38:19

and then she heads downtown and she starts photographing.

0:38:190:38:23

You really get this sense of a day in the life or of a diary here,

0:38:230:38:26

and you can see how she moves through the street.

0:38:260:38:29

If you put it all in a row

0:38:290:38:31

you would see one woman's life

0:38:310:38:33

unfolding on film in this way -

0:38:330:38:37

you'd have an unbroken string of images of what she saw,

0:38:370:38:42

of what her experiences were.

0:38:420:38:45

This is what her big project was, it was her life.

0:38:450:38:48

It was experiencing life through photography.

0:38:510:38:53

She'll come upon somebody

0:38:590:39:01

who seems to be either in crisis or contemplating something,

0:39:010:39:05

people who seemed to be kind of lost in, in a world of deep thought...

0:39:050:39:09

..and she was able to capture this image

0:39:120:39:14

and this is really a portrait, it's a portrait of a person,

0:39:140:39:18

it's not just a shot of a random person walking down the street,

0:39:180:39:21

she's captured a real, raw emotion here.

0:39:210:39:24

As interested as she was in other people,

0:39:290:39:31

she gave away very little about herself.

0:39:310:39:35

My father hired her in part because she had a European background,

0:39:350:39:39

which my father did as well.

0:39:390:39:41

Oftentimes, around the dinner table, for example,

0:39:410:39:44

they would speak in French.

0:39:440:39:45

Vivian was a rather opinionated woman.

0:39:470:39:52

She had political leanings

0:39:520:39:54

that I think were more on the left and feminist,

0:39:540:39:57

but I would say that, wholly apart from her political opinions

0:39:570:40:01

is perhaps the way that she carried them off.

0:40:010:40:04

She was an extremely abrasive person,

0:40:040:40:08

and often times it was pretty much in your face. And that was Vivian.

0:40:080:40:12

When people tried to elicit information about her,

0:40:120:40:15

she would quickly change the topic.

0:40:150:40:18

In terms of her upbringing and background,

0:40:180:40:20

there was nothing that I ever really...got to know.

0:40:200:40:24

She was creating a play for children in the backyard

0:40:270:40:31

and she would assign roles to all the children.

0:40:310:40:33

They said, "Well, what role are you going to play?"

0:40:350:40:38

And she just looked around and said, "I'll be the mystery woman."

0:40:380:40:41

There were times when the parents would ask her,

0:40:420:40:45

"So you lived in France, was that during the Occupation?"

0:40:450:40:51

And she'd respond, "Maybe."

0:40:510:40:53

So she really enjoyed having this air of mystery.

0:40:530:40:58

And I think the mystery is still there.

0:40:580:41:00

In just the area of Chicago where Vivian lived,

0:41:030:41:06

Pamela Bannos is doing forensic research

0:41:060:41:09

on what she calls Vivian Maier's fractured archive.

0:41:090:41:13

Split between the different owners.

0:41:130:41:16

These are ones that Vivian chose.

0:41:160:41:18

That she chose to save.

0:41:180:41:19

She's also digging deep into Vivian's mysterious past.

0:41:190:41:23

..Hold in her hand and look at...

0:41:230:41:25

I see Vivian Maier as a woman

0:41:250:41:27

who is the product of the legacy of the French women before her.

0:41:270:41:31

She is the daughter of a woman

0:41:330:41:37

who was the daughter of another woman

0:41:370:41:39

who were all live-in servants in New York.

0:41:390:41:42

She is also today somebody else entirely,

0:41:440:41:47

who I think has been invented by people who love a good story, maybe.

0:41:470:41:52

THEY CHUCKLE

0:41:520:41:54

Her grandmother, Eugenie Jaussaud,

0:41:540:41:56

had a child out of wedlock at the age of 16.

0:41:560:41:59

She left the Champsaur Valley, of France, sort of a shamed woman.

0:42:000:42:06

She arrives in New York in 1901,

0:42:080:42:11

leaving her baby behind,

0:42:110:42:13

and then essentially becomes a live-in cook

0:42:130:42:16

for the rest of her life.

0:42:160:42:17

So Vivian's grandmother Eugenie

0:42:170:42:19

leaves her illegitimate daughter behind in France

0:42:190:42:22

to become a cook - and then what happens?

0:42:220:42:26

In 1914, her daughter, Maria Jaussaud, arrives in Manhattan,

0:42:260:42:31

travelling with an American woman, as her private maid.

0:42:310:42:34

She's in New York, never having seen her mother.

0:42:360:42:39

In 1919, Vivian's mother married her father,

0:42:430:42:46

an Austrian-Hungarian, Charles Maier.

0:42:460:42:49

And on her marriage certificate,

0:42:510:42:53

she changes her parents' names

0:42:530:42:54

to make it look as though she's legitimate.

0:42:540:42:57

She corrects the family history,

0:42:570:43:00

so she sort of invents herself at this point, at least on paper.

0:43:000:43:03

This Vivian Maier story is filled with intrigue and secrecy

0:43:050:43:09

and deception and privacy,

0:43:090:43:11

which I think is a theme that goes throughout.

0:43:110:43:14

Vivian told people she was born in France,

0:43:160:43:18

but in fact

0:43:180:43:19

she was born in Manhattan in 1926.

0:43:190:43:22

Aged four, Vivian was living in St Mary's Street, in the Bronx,

0:43:260:43:29

with her mother, but without her father or her elder brother.

0:43:290:43:34

But, there's a woman living with them

0:43:340:43:35

from a neighbouring village in France -

0:43:350:43:38

a studio photographer, Jeanne Bertrand.

0:43:380:43:41

Maybe she had some influence on Vivian, the photographer to be.

0:43:410:43:45

Jeanne Bertrand had had an illegitimate child

0:43:470:43:50

whom she'd given up to adoption,

0:43:500:43:52

and she'd since had a mental breakdown.

0:43:520:43:55

We have these French women with no families,

0:43:570:44:00

we have babies with no fathers,

0:44:000:44:02

we have this connection of women who are displaced,

0:44:020:44:07

who then end up living with other families

0:44:070:44:10

or give their children to other families or give their children up.

0:44:100:44:14

Vivian Maier appears to have had very few personal relationships.

0:44:190:44:22

She certainly never got married,

0:44:220:44:24

we don't know of any, any other relationship.

0:44:240:44:26

So that would suggest this displacement

0:44:260:44:29

-comes from the circumstances.

-Yes.

0:44:290:44:32

In 1932, Pamela finds Vivian's mother,

0:44:400:44:44

using the Swiss Benevolent Society, home for single women,

0:44:440:44:47

as her address in an advert she places in the paper

0:44:470:44:50

for a job as a chambermaid.

0:44:500:44:53

She's now calling herself Mademoiselle Jaussaud.

0:44:530:44:56

Within months, she gives up

0:44:570:44:59

and they go to France for six years.

0:44:590:45:02

Vivian was to live in her mother and grandmother's village in France

0:45:100:45:13

from the age of six to 12.

0:45:130:45:15

She was seen as something of an outsider.

0:45:180:45:20

Later, Vivian was to take thousands of photographs here.

0:45:230:45:28

WOMAN SPEAKS IN FRENCH

0:45:280:45:32

TRANSLATION: She captured my attention because she made my imagination work.

0:45:320:45:35

She came from America.

0:45:350:45:40

It's El Dorado, especially for a little girl of ten.

0:45:410:45:47

For me, she was an extra-terrestrial

0:45:470:45:51

who had arrived from the United States.

0:45:510:45:54

She had a turned-up nose

0:45:560:45:58

and a runny nose.

0:45:580:46:00

The flat where they stayed was not very comfortable, or very warm.

0:46:010:46:07

MAN SPEAKS IN FRENCH

0:46:080:46:10

-TRANSLATION:

-She didn't think like us at all.

0:46:100:46:13

I remember one day, we noticed some chickens scratching in a farmyard.

0:46:130:46:19

She was disgusted, and decided never to eat eggs again.

0:46:190:46:23

All the boys in the village were very pleased to be in her company.

0:46:250:46:31

She was a bit reserved.

0:46:310:46:33

I'd often see her in the village square playing Marelle,

0:46:350:46:40

a game where you draw squares -

0:46:400:46:43

there's hell and heaven, paradise,

0:46:430:46:45

and you jump by throwing a stone.

0:46:450:46:48

I remember she threw it a long way.

0:46:510:46:53

We were all looking at her knickers.

0:46:570:46:59

SHE CHUCKLES

0:47:010:47:03

TRANSLATION: That's my mother, my mother!

0:47:030:47:07

In the shop,

0:47:080:47:13

we had a cake shop...

0:47:130:47:15

It's good, this photo. I'd like to have it.

0:47:170:47:19

Usually, she was preoccupied,

0:47:210:47:23

there was so much work,

0:47:230:47:24

but here, she looks calm.

0:47:240:47:26

-TRANSLATION:

-All that is very, very long ago.

0:47:360:47:40

After 12 more years in New York,

0:47:460:47:48

a 24-year-old Vivian visited the village again.

0:47:480:47:52

It was soon after the Second World War.

0:47:520:47:54

How she learned to use a camera remains a mystery,

0:48:000:48:03

but she knew what she was doing.

0:48:030:48:04

These are her first known pictures,

0:48:060:48:08

previously dismissed as snapshots.

0:48:080:48:11

When I started looking through these pictures,

0:48:110:48:13

I started wondering which photographs these people were talking about,

0:48:130:48:17

because what I was seeing was extremely different.

0:48:170:48:19

This is not a child working with an innocent machine,

0:48:210:48:23

this is a woman who knows how to work a camera.

0:48:230:48:26

This is the box camera, the humble snapshot camera.

0:48:270:48:30

Literally, it has one, one shutter speed, and no other adjustment.

0:48:300:48:34

-And the suggestion is that this is what she used in, in France.

-Right.

0:48:340:48:38

But she wasn't, in fact she might have been using a camera

0:48:380:48:41

-not dissimilar to this.

-Correct.

0:48:410:48:42

This particular camera is probably from the 1940s.

0:48:420:48:46

You can focus it, you can adjust the shutter speeds,

0:48:460:48:50

you can adjust the apertures,

0:48:500:48:51

you could fold it down

0:48:510:48:53

and it collapses into itself.

0:48:530:48:55

This could also be considered a traveller's camera.

0:48:550:48:58

She was developing the skills that would become her hallmark.

0:49:020:49:06

Right early on,

0:49:110:49:14

you see her observe a character sitting on a stoop or something

0:49:140:49:19

in a public space, and she works around him.

0:49:190:49:23

She followed her inner line of curiosity,

0:49:240:49:30

and it's that that establishes an artistic tendency,

0:49:300:49:36

cos the amateur doesn't do that.

0:49:360:49:38

Vivian was in France to sort out the sale of a farm

0:49:400:49:43

that belonged to her great-aunt, who'd died during the war.

0:49:430:49:47

It was called Beauregard, "beautiful view".

0:49:470:49:51

Her grandfather lived nearby.

0:49:540:49:56

He was poor, teased by the village boys, almost an outcast.

0:49:560:50:01

It was a horrible echo of what would happen to Vivian herself

0:50:020:50:06

and to her mother, who would end up in a seedy hotel in New York.

0:50:060:50:10

Nelly lived next door.

0:50:120:50:14

SHE SPEAKS IN FRENCH

0:50:140:50:15

TRANSLATION: It's me there,

0:50:150:50:16

like two sisters.

0:50:160:50:18

Wherever I went, she'd come with me.

0:50:180:50:22

What everybody said was, they all thought she was a spy,

0:50:220:50:26

because she took photographs all over the place.

0:50:260:50:29

My parents and I never thought anything like that.

0:50:320:50:35

Look at her there, she's beautiful, it looks just like her.

0:50:370:50:41

She was refined, and sincere above all.

0:50:410:50:45

That's what I remember about her.

0:50:450:50:48

On Sundays, we'd all go to dances, but she didn't go to dances.

0:50:510:50:55

SHE CLEARS HER THROAT

0:50:580:51:00

And she never married, she never made a life for herself.

0:51:020:51:06

Yet she's a pretty woman.

0:51:080:51:10

This morning, you've brought me something

0:51:140:51:17

which has made me very happy - to see her again.

0:51:170:51:20

It was a joy.

0:51:210:51:23

Vivian roamed the area, taking views of mountains and monuments.

0:51:280:51:31

She was, it seems, making postcards

0:51:310:51:34

through the camera shop in the village,

0:51:340:51:37

so maybe, at this point,

0:51:370:51:39

she was hoping to make photography into a career.

0:51:390:51:42

The spy story grew -

0:51:460:51:47

and the idea that she had a gun to defend herself.

0:51:470:51:51

A woman wandering alone is the stuff from which myths are made.

0:51:510:51:55

In the nearby town of Gap

0:52:020:52:04

she photographed a Communist Party rally,

0:52:040:52:07

and she was always seeking out people living on the edge.

0:52:070:52:11

In the spring of 1951,

0:52:170:52:19

she heads back across the ocean to New York.

0:52:190:52:22

It's as though Vivian was seeing the city

0:52:270:52:29

in which she'd spent most of her life for the first time.

0:52:290:52:32

'She's 26 years old when she's doing this -

0:52:350:52:38

'hopeful years, when you have your life ahead of you.

0:52:380:52:42

'She's learned everything so fast, she's learned how to look

0:52:420:52:45

'and she's going to places that are new.

0:52:450:52:47

'We're actually walking in her footsteps.

0:52:500:52:52

'It feels sort of uncanny to look through the camera

0:52:560:52:59

'and see the same things.'

0:52:590:53:00

And then, I guarantee you she shoots the East River right here.

0:53:050:53:08

This is obviously something that we can catch better on foot

0:53:080:53:11

than, than in a car.

0:53:110:53:12

She goes to these heights

0:53:200:53:22

and creates these vistas.

0:53:220:53:23

These reminded me of the photographs

0:53:230:53:25

that she had shot in the Alps, in France,

0:53:250:53:28

when she was there in 1950.

0:53:280:53:29

Now, like her grandmother and mother before her,

0:53:330:53:36

she turned to domestic service and started to work as a nanny.

0:53:360:53:39

And, ever more intensely, as a photographer.

0:53:410:53:44

She's on the balcony of the Hotel Astor for the Macy's Day Parade.

0:53:470:53:49

You can see from the right

0:53:490:53:51

she's actually standing with a bunch of children.

0:53:510:53:54

-These children might be her charges, mightn't they?

-They might be, right.

0:53:540:53:57

She gets access to these places

0:53:570:53:59

because she's working for wealthy families who get access to places.

0:53:590:54:02

But often, she creates her own access.

0:54:050:54:09

So she's standing in the shadow here, by this wall,

0:54:090:54:12

seeing Salvador Dali behind that post,

0:54:120:54:14

actually giving an autograph to a woman

0:54:140:54:17

at the doorway to the Museum Of Modern Art.

0:54:170:54:19

She actually walks down the street here following Dali,

0:54:220:54:25

and shoots the second photograph

0:54:250:54:29

and she's caught him in this moment.

0:54:290:54:32

She dates the photograph

0:54:320:54:34

to the 24th of January, 1952,

0:54:340:54:38

and this is the time when there's the exhibition

0:54:380:54:40

Five French Photographers at the Museum Of Modern Art.

0:54:400:54:43

So I'm assuming that she crossed that doorway

0:54:430:54:45

and she went into the museum and she saw this exhibition.

0:54:450:54:49

She was teaching herself about photography,

0:54:530:54:57

and it's now that Vivian made the switch to her trademark camera,

0:54:570:55:01

the Rolleiflex,

0:55:010:55:02

with its large square negative.

0:55:020:55:04

It's the first Rolleiflex picture I found

0:55:050:55:08

and it's taken on the 12th of July, 1952,

0:55:080:55:10

as she writes on the back of the print.

0:55:100:55:12

She's capturing the vivid contrast of the city.

0:55:130:55:17

She's found her subject matter.

0:55:170:55:19

In 1952, the hottest summer on record in New York,

0:55:240:55:28

Vivian is crossing the city with her new camera.

0:55:280:55:30

This is the Third Avenue train that she took up and down

0:55:390:55:42

and when it gets down below a certain point, it's the Bowery.

0:55:420:55:46

So by the time she leaves New York, the train has been dismantled.

0:55:510:55:54

Now, the Bowery is as gentrified as the rest of Manhattan,

0:55:580:56:02

but then, it was a byword for drunks and down and outs.

0:56:020:56:05

We're over by the Bowery bums,

0:56:060:56:08

where we have, like, people like this man,

0:56:080:56:10

who has been beat up and he's asleep or he's unconscious in his cart,

0:56:100:56:14

and men who are alcoholics and passed out on the sidewalk.

0:56:140:56:18

And this sunny summer day where she's here.

0:56:180:56:21

And she's actually standing over there

0:56:230:56:25

taking a photograph of this man, who's looking down at her

0:56:250:56:27

because she's got her Rolleiflex at her waist.

0:56:270:56:29

He's looking at us, but he's looking into the lens in this picture.

0:56:290:56:34

She had to be about three feet away to get a close-up.

0:56:340:56:37

To go up and photograph a stranger on the street,

0:56:440:56:48

you have to hold your ground and be fearless

0:56:480:56:51

and take what you want, because it's yours.

0:56:510:56:56

You could see that there was something that she was interested in,

0:56:580:57:02

that she was going to, drawn to, day after day.

0:57:020:57:07

She would keep on working certain themes - the underdog,

0:57:070:57:11

the cast-aside,

0:57:110:57:14

the worker.

0:57:140:57:16

"You are too young to fall asleep forever.

0:57:200:57:22

"And when you sleep, you remind me of the dead."

0:57:220:57:26

She has the tools, and her work is really taking off

0:57:300:57:33

and so is she.

0:57:330:57:36

She planned a whole year away, but she needed a new passport.

0:57:360:57:41

So these images show how she kept her own archive

0:57:410:57:44

by photographing her own documents.

0:57:440:57:46

This is the photograph of her 1959 passport application

0:57:540:57:59

that shows she's lied about her parents' death.

0:57:590:58:03

She checks that both of her parents are deceased.

0:58:030:58:05

-She checks...

-She checks that both of her parents are deceased

0:58:050:58:08

and, in fact, also eliminates her mother's name

0:58:080:58:11

from the application entirely.

0:58:110:58:13

'In fact, both her parents lived another ten years,

0:58:130:58:17

'but in 1959, they're dead to her.

0:58:170:58:20

'She's cut loose.'

0:58:200:58:22

She actually lists all the places she's going.

0:58:240:58:26

She's going to the Philippines, Hong Kong, Indochina,

0:58:260:58:29

Siam, East Indies, Malaysia -

0:58:290:58:32

and she did this tour.

0:58:320:58:35

-She actually did this tour?

-She did this tour.

0:58:350:58:37

-And did she take many photographs?

-She took thousands of photographs.

0:58:370:58:41

So more than 50 years ago,

0:58:430:58:45

a single nanny sets off on a world tour.

0:58:450:58:48

This is before motorways, before mass air travel, before gap years.

0:58:480:58:53

She fits in a second visit to her village in France

0:58:530:58:56

to pick up a cheque from her great-aunt's property.

0:58:560:58:59

This time, she also takes in Versailles and the Louvre.

0:58:590:59:02

People make an issue of her being untaught,

0:59:020:59:04

but she was teaching herself.

0:59:040:59:06

Her visit to Paris coincides

0:59:080:59:10

with that of the US President,

0:59:100:59:11

so she shoots that too.

0:59:110:59:13

She's like a reporter,

0:59:130:59:15

but with no newspaper, no outlet.

0:59:150:59:17

It's really about being alive to the world,

0:59:550:59:58

out in the world,

0:59:581:00:00

and seeing yet another moment of...of consciousness

1:00:001:00:07

in which an awakened state is what it's all about.

1:00:071:00:12

That you are privileged to see that yet again,

1:00:121:00:16

this life is doing this for me.

1:00:161:00:18

You're dealing with the disappearing moment.

1:00:181:00:22

It's there and it's gone,

1:00:221:00:24

and the only way that...it's recognised as having happened

1:00:241:00:29

is you observing it, knowing it and photographing it.

1:00:291:00:32

So you are the repository and, and I, I think that...you know,

1:00:321:00:39

it's great if you can make prints out of it and share this,

1:00:391:00:42

but, at a certain point, if you've done it long enough,

1:00:421:00:45

you don't really, you don't really have to,

1:00:451:00:47

it's for you, it's just for you.

1:00:471:00:49

But maybe working alone with no audience

1:00:531:00:55

was too much of a strain in the end.

1:00:551:00:57

It seems the centre would not hold.

1:00:591:01:01

The world had opened up,

1:01:051:01:06

but by the late '60s, was closing in for Vivian.

1:01:061:01:09

The shelter she'd found

1:01:211:01:22

with the Ginsberg family in Chicago

1:01:221:01:24

came to an end.

1:01:241:01:26

It wasn't until all the Ginsberg boys went to college

1:01:281:01:32

that finally Mrs Ginsberg said,

1:01:321:01:33

"Vivian, maybe it's time now for you to go on."

1:01:331:01:36

And breaking up was very hard for them and the family.

1:01:381:01:41

The Ginsberg family very prominently said that she was like Mary Poppins.

1:01:431:01:48

Almost all the other families that I've talked to

1:01:481:01:51

all say that Mary Poppins is about the last adjective...phrase

1:01:511:01:56

that they would use in talking about Vivian.

1:01:561:01:58

She did have her dark side and she had her light sides.

1:01:591:02:03

When she taught me, that was wonderful,

1:02:041:02:06

that was just wonderful.

1:02:061:02:07

But, you know,

1:02:091:02:11

her emotions could get better of her sometimes, and so...

1:02:111:02:14

just leave her be.

1:02:141:02:16

Oh, you didn't want her to get angry with you, believe me.

1:02:201:02:23

Where there'd been pleasure, excitement,

1:02:291:02:31

increasingly there was disappointment and dread.

1:02:311:02:34

She witnessed the Chicago riots, in 1968.

1:02:371:02:39

Bobby Kennedy being assassinated,

1:02:461:02:48

the chaos that was going on in '68

1:02:481:02:50

and her photography, very much, you get that sense of it.

1:02:501:02:53

Her work after that,

1:02:551:02:57

she would go to the same places, she would go,

1:02:571:02:59

take the same kinds of walks,

1:02:591:03:00

but instead of noticing beautiful abstractions on the sidewalk

1:03:001:03:04

and beautiful light coming through trees, she'd start to see garbage.

1:03:041:03:08

When you see the weight of all these images, thousands of images,

1:03:101:03:13

just the mildewing, wet newspapers and garbage cans...

1:03:131:03:17

..it, there's a weight to it and there's, there's a power to it

1:03:181:03:21

and I don't think you can deny that it somehow is linked to who she was.

1:03:211:03:26

It was all bad news.

1:03:281:03:30

It was as if she was drowning,

1:03:301:03:32

as if she'd given up on people.

1:03:321:03:36

As the years passed, her jobs got shorter,

1:03:531:03:56

her hoarding and secretive behaviour more extreme.

1:03:561:04:00

It was a little bit of a mystery, what she did during the weekends,

1:04:051:04:08

where she stayed.

1:04:081:04:10

She would, you know, take her belongings, her possessions,

1:04:101:04:13

often bags...of clothes that she would, she would have,

1:04:131:04:17

always with her camera,

1:04:171:04:19

and likewise, she would return sometimes with, you know,

1:04:191:04:23

new bags and more clothing.

1:04:231:04:26

No work exists beyond the 1980s,

1:04:341:04:37

but she was still carrying her camera,

1:04:371:04:39

still putting rolls of film

1:04:391:04:41

in her own personal bucket at Central Cameras,

1:04:411:04:44

rolls she couldn't afford to collect.

1:04:441:04:47

That was her major difficulty

1:04:471:04:50

in the last 15, 20 years -

1:04:501:04:52

economics, not having enough economics.

1:04:521:04:55

She couldn't afford all of the things that she wanted.

1:04:561:04:59

Maybe more work will still emerge,

1:05:001:05:02

but maybe she would have preferred if it didn't.

1:05:021:05:06

I don't think she would like it at all, no.

1:05:061:05:10

There's too much going on,

1:05:111:05:14

too much delving into who she was or what she was

1:05:141:05:17

and why was she this and so on,

1:05:171:05:19

and the trickle downs and the trickle ups and, hey,

1:05:191:05:22

I like taking pictures - that was her release, that was her world.

1:05:221:05:25

I didn't go to the shows to see the interpretation of other people

1:05:261:05:30

of what they felt about her, cos I have my own feelings about her

1:05:301:05:34

and I respect the way she was.

1:05:341:05:36

Maybe I would have learned something,

1:05:361:05:38

but would it have been the truth?

1:05:381:05:39

It would have been someone else's interpretation of a truth.

1:05:391:05:43

Yet she's caught the imagination of a world

1:05:461:05:48

captivated with taking pictures incessantly on their phones.

1:05:481:05:52

Vivian has gone viral.

1:05:541:05:55

She now lives on the web,

1:05:571:05:59

but she lived in her imagination.

1:05:591:06:02

Her compulsion to take pictures was her life.

1:06:021:06:06

It's what she has left behind.

1:06:071:06:09

Some of the pictures of Vivian's were from when I was a kid,

1:06:111:06:15

cos I was probably there, and I didn't even realise.

1:06:151:06:19

I probably walked past her,

1:06:211:06:23

but I never would have known.

1:06:231:06:24

Can you contact them

1:06:261:06:27

and see what's happening with the main show in Shanghai? Yeah...

1:06:271:06:31

'You see, our work isn't our work until it's shared,

1:06:311:06:35

'somebody else has to see it.'

1:06:351:06:36

She did have a very private life,

1:06:391:06:41

so I think she would not be very happy about that,

1:06:411:06:43

about people knowing about her.

1:06:431:06:45

As her story dissipates, and our stories dissipate as they should,

1:06:471:06:52

and the work remains, that's, I think she would be thrilled with it.

1:06:521:06:57

In 200 years, if people are looking at her work,

1:06:571:07:00

I'd be absolutely delighted and I think she would be also.

1:07:001:07:03

You know, at some point, I think I'm going to give some away,

1:07:051:07:08

maybe one a week for a bunch of weeks and see what happens.

1:07:081:07:12

Give them back to the streets, so to speak.

1:07:121:07:14

Look at all this, this is only one third of what I have.

1:07:141:07:17

There's three times this,

1:07:171:07:19

so there's more than enough.

1:07:191:07:20

There's people grabbing cameras right now,

1:07:221:07:24

they're doing a lot of street photography because of Vivian.

1:07:241:07:28

I can't give away the rabbits,

1:07:281:07:30

that's my favourite.

1:07:301:07:32

It must have been around 2007 or so, I was on my way to work

1:07:441:07:48

and I saw her walking down the street,

1:07:481:07:51

and I had a moment where I thought,

1:07:511:07:53

"Oh, should I...come over,

1:07:531:07:56

"walk over and say hello?"

1:07:561:07:58

And I just didn't, I was running a little late and I just thought...

1:07:581:08:01

So I stood there and I just kind of watched her walk,

1:08:011:08:04

and I thought, "Wow!

1:08:041:08:06

"Vivian's still going strong, that is strange."

1:08:061:08:10

Right at the end of her life,

1:08:191:08:20

a neighbour caught sight of her round the rubbish bins.

1:08:201:08:24

I first saw her in the neighbourhood

1:08:241:08:27

in the alleys.

1:08:271:08:28

She used to be carrying shopping bags, books.

1:08:281:08:32

I thought she was homeless.

1:08:321:08:34

When I swim, I started noticing her over here.

1:08:371:08:40

She used to sit over here behind these trees,

1:08:401:08:44

kind of a...I don't know, out of the way, she didn't really want,

1:08:441:08:48

she didn't want to be bothered, I think she knew she was different.

1:08:481:08:52

She'd just be staring at the lake.

1:08:531:08:55

I'd swim for a half hour out there and

1:08:581:09:00

I'd look up and she would be gone.

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