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One of the most intriguing photographers of the 20th century | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
took her first known pictures here. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
Her photos weren't seen in her lifetime. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
Most she didn't even print, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
but saw just once in her viewfinder as she took them. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
It was 3,000 miles away in America | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
that Vivian Maier spent her life. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
She worked as a nanny | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
and every day she took pictures - | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
150,000 of them. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
She was a poet of suburbia. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
A secret street photographer, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
before the term was really invented. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
The shadows of the America of her time | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
fall across Vivian Maier's photographs. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
Just before she died, four years ago, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
her life's work was discovered by accident | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
in storage lockers in Chicago. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
It proved a treasure trove for the finders. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
People found it hard to believe | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
that Mary Poppins with a camera could have taken these pictures. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
It's a classic parable of the artist, unsung in life. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
Van Gogh once said, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:52 | |
"Stars are the souls of dead poets, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
"but to become a star, you have to die." | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
I was the manager of a movie theatre here in Chicago. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
I noticed her, cos she was kind of an odd bird and er... | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
she came probably three or four times a month | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
for 13 years and she was also the type of person | 0:02:37 | 0:02:44 | |
I think you could potentially wonder if she was a little crazy. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
I did notice her camera, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
but with her vintage clothing, I just thought it was part of the costume. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:56 | |
The rest of my staff at the theatre thought she was mean. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
They would say, "Oh, I don't want to deal with her. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
"Jim, can you go talk to her?" | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
I never saw her come with anybody and I never saw her talk to anybody. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
After the films, she would be leaving at 11 or midnight | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
and I would wonder where she would go. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:18 | |
Didn't seem homeless, but she seemed close. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
She loved seeing a Buster Keaton film with children in the room. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
They would be laughing and the piano would be playing | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
and it was just a really magical moment. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
Did you know she was a nanny? | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
No idea. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
To be honest with you, I was a little afraid to... | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
try to know too much about her. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:55 | |
Now, I sort of regret not prying a little bit | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
and finding out about her life, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
it seems so interesting in retrospect. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
And I was just a little bit afraid to get deep with this woman, you know. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:13 | |
This is Inger Raymond, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
one of Vivian Maier's charges. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
Vivian took hundreds of photographs of Inger, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
almost all of which she's never seen before. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
Many were taken on this beach. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
If Miss Maier was out here, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
she would wait until one of the kids was crawling | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
right between that little ice cave hole. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
That was where she would take a picture. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
-When the printer was printing this... -Mmm. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
..he didn't realise someone was hiding inside of the cupboard. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
Really? Oh, my God! | 0:05:25 | 0:05:26 | |
All of a sudden, he saw this, this eyeball. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
It makes a very eerie look, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
but I know what it is, it's one of those large sewer pipes. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
I love that image because it is so dramatic, it's stark, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
it's er...film noir, almost. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
If you look at it closely, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
there is a cross right on the face, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
right on my face, and it's this almost caged-animal look with cross. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:57 | |
It's very interesting. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
When she took her photos, she would be completely and utterly focused. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
I mean, it was just, you know, instant, you know, absolute, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
erm...concentration... | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
..that it would be done. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:13 | |
I think even if she was here, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
she couldn't explain her photography to us | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
because she didn't like talking about her photography | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
and most of the people who knew her, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
and there are very few people who knew her, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
she never talked about her photography. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
So everything that we can learn about her is going to come from pictures, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
because they show us what she liked, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
what she disliked, what she was drawn to. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
We really are just left with the images. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
Vivian Maier used to haunt this market | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
with a movie camera as well as her stills camera. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
"Stare, pry, listen, eavesdrop, die knowing something, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
"you're not here long." | 0:07:28 | 0:07:29 | |
The flea market is a shadow of its former self, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
but still the happy hunting ground of pickers, treasure hunters. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
And pickers love old photos and postcards. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
Oh, man, you get the trucker photos, I get the racing photos. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
Vivian Maier's work was brought to light | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
by people just like those she used to photograph. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
-What do you think? -I just got here this morning. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
Ron Slattery was the first to buy Vivian's work at auction in 2007. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
The Chicago stuff's great. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:28 | |
Postcards? | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
Yeah, these are old postcards. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
Roger Gunderson was the auctioneer who sold it to him. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Oh, there you go. That's nice. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
There's Lake Street with the... | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
That's pretty cool, isn't it? | 0:08:43 | 0:08:44 | |
Vivian Maier had no home of her own, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
so she kept her life's work in storage lockers. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
But in her old age, she was no longer able to pay the rent, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
so the contents of the lockers were sold. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
What would she have paid | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
to keep that stuff in storage over the years? | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
Thousands of dollars, I would imagine. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
Is, isn't that sort of tragic, in a way, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
that she puts all her life's work into storage | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
and she's paying out these huge sums of money for it | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
-and then she loses it all? -And, and it all goes away, yeah. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
When her lockers were put up for sale, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
half a dozen dealers turned up. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
All they saw were old suitcases and boxes. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
They'd open the door and you'd bid from the doorway, you'd look, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
you couldn't touch, what you see is what you get. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
And it was always a big gamble. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
You might end up with something worth nothing | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
or you might end up with something worth millions, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
-which, as it happens... -It happens. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
Roger bought five lockers full of Vivian Maier's stuff. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
It filled one and a half trucks, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
unloaded here in this auction room. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
'Had I known that this thing was going to get as big as it had, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
'I would have saved every crumb of paper I had.' | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
And these are the trucks that you put all Vivian's stuff in? | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
Yes, this one right here. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:21 | |
'But we threw some away, personal writings and things like that, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
'some of that stuff that, hindsight being 20/20, had we known, we would have kept it.' | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
But we, we sold it, we turned it, we made money - deal. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
The Vivian Maier phenomenon had begun. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
Now, New York galleries sell new prints, often made from negatives | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
that Vivian never even developed, for upwards of 2,000. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
Vintage prints made in Vivian's lifetime go for 8,000. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:04 | |
It's a complete accident that the world has stumbled on her work. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
It could very easily have been destroyed without anyone knowing about it. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
Vivian Maier, unlike any other photographer I can think of, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:18 | |
made her work entirely for herself. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
She had no audience, she knew no other photographers, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:27 | |
she didn't really print her work, except in the most rudimentary form. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:33 | |
She didn't exhibit her work or publish her work. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
It was a project entirely self-motivated, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
entirely self-fulfilling | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
and this creates a certain freedom, a certain independence. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
It's her own personal voice. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
Vivian Maier worked in a variety of genres - | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
she took street photography, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
wandering around the streets of Chicago and New York, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
indigene people on the street, because they're on the street | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
and just marvellously expressive moment. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
She does wonderful portraits | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
that are of distinctive characters | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
that she is able to capture in a moment, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
everything is moving very, very fast. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
She would definitely be very close | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
in order to capture the way his hair is stuck to his forehead | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
and this anxious expression. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
She's very much like a poet | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
who's trying to just observe very carefully, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
for personal reasons - to look at the world | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
and locate what's important to her, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
what interests her, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:48 | |
capture it in a photograph. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
It's exceedingly personal. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
There is humour in her work. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
This is a picture of one of the children | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
that Vivian Maier took care of. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
She photographed while she was working, moonlighting on the job. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
Some of those remain in the...realm of snapshots. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:24 | |
But many of them transcend that genre | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
and become more observations about children, about family, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:34 | |
about the suburbs... | 0:13:34 | 0:13:35 | |
Youth confronting age. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
Who's going to have the time and the space to be in somebody's backyard, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
taking that kind of picture? | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
A nanny would, you know, who's also a great photographer. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
I mean, all her self-portraits intrigue me, cos er... | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
..you know, they're her and she intrigues me. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
She was interested in seeing | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
how she fit into the world. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
We believe that she never fully realised her work, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
so we are helping her to realise it, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
by printing it in a certain way, by editing it in a certain way, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
picking the pictures that have meaning to us, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
erm... You know, it's, it is what it is. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
It's a very unique case. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:30 | |
Ron Slattery owns about 2,000 of Vivian's prints and negatives, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
which he is NOT selling. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
Let's start with this one. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:46 | |
'Would you tell us what you paid for them?' | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
250. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
And away we go. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
-'For how many photographs? -'My whole collection.' | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
For the same sum, the auctioneer got all five lockers. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
'Did you make a lot of money out of it?' | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
Somewhere between 15,000 and 20,000. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
Do you wish on some days, when you wake up in the morning, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
that you'd actually kept it all? | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
Well, hindsight being 20/20, sure. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
That's one of my favourites. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
'But when we first started selling this, nobody knew,' | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
even the people buying I don't think knew. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
Did you see the photos before you bought them? | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
Nah, I just kind of looked it was like, "Oh, neato - photos," and bought them. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
'At the time, I was buying so many photographs. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
'That is, putting them into boxes and putting them into storage, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
'much the same way Vivian did.' | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
That's Vivian Maier. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
A very unique self-portrait. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
Vivian never saw anything like the beautiful large prints | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
that are being made today. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
When she saw prints at all, they were usually small ones like these, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
supplied by the drugstore or made by her in her lodgings. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
Ron's collection would be dwarfed by others. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
There was a gentleman named Randy who bought some. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
One man, John Maloof, left an absentee bid on a box of negatives, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
just a little bit of everybody, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
so that's kind of where her work kind of went "Whoop!" | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
When I went through some boxes in 2008, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
I pulled out the slides and went, "Wow, these are cool," | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
posted some on my website. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
John starts making prints from Vivian's negatives | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
and selling them on eBay. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
Alan Secular, who's an art professor in California, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
contacted John and said, "This is very important." | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
At this point was where he went, "Ding! OK." | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
He started collecting as much of the work as he could. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
So Vivian's pictures were starting to appear online, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
but who was making the selection? | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
It worries some people. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:07 | |
I'll be the first to honour the quality of the work, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
but, at the same time, I'm concerned, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
because we're only seeing pictures | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
that the people who bought the suitcases decided to edit | 0:17:22 | 0:17:28 | |
and, and what kind of editors are they? | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
What would she have edited out of this work | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
and what would she have printed? | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
How do any of us know who the real Vivian Maier is? | 0:17:38 | 0:17:44 | |
So you were telling the world about Vivian - | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
did you ever think to seek out Vivian yourself? | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
John and I both googled up Vivian. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
And we're searching for her, we could find no information. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
The first thing that popped up was her obituary after she passed away. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
John Maloof now owns the lion's share of Vivian's work. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
He declined to take part in this film, because he's making his own. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
The second biggest owner is now Jeff Goldstein, an artist and carpenter. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:23 | |
You've changed your entire life, Jeff - | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
you've given up your vocation | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
-and now you're just in the Vivian Maier business. -Right. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
And you're not the only one in this genre, of course, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
there's John Maloof. What does that make you feel? | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
Well, we spend half of our time trying to push our projects forward | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
and I think we spend the other half | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
trying not to look like public assholes. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
We're under global scrutiny. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:46 | |
Her house is right around the corner up here. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
And this is a pretty tough neighbourhood to be. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
There was a fair amount of drug activity, a fair amount of crime takes place. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
So this was her, her last residence here. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
-That's the door? -Yeah. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
Did she photograph a lot around this area? | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
She did, along this stretch of Howard Street - | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
there's a beautiful shot coming off the bridge, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
looking down in fact this way, the train tracks. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
She fell and hit her head actually right by those tracks. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:30 | |
Really? | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
And she was taken to a local hospital, resisted help | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
and they thought she would recover, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
but, apparently, that was not the case. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
So during that period when the storage locker sales were happening, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
she was in hospital, recovering from this accident? | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
That's my understanding. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:01 | |
Yeah, I really came into this about a year later, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
which, in some ways, is nice for me. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
How do you mean by that? | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
She went into arrears, her lockers came up... | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
I'm thankful to be one step removed from all of that. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
Jeff bought the bulk of his collection from Randy Prow, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
who'd bought it at Roger's auctions. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
When these transactions take place, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
it's not for the faint of heart, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
it's not a standard art acquisition. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
People are on their guard. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
How did you get hold of these pictures? | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
I initially went down to where Randy Prow lives, in Southern Indiana, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
it's a good eight-hour drive from Chicago. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
And I brought along someone with me, a retired fireman, Chicago fireman, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
er...pretty burly, good-size guy | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
and I met up with Randy, who I had never, hadn't met before, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
in an abandoned warehouse in a run-down section in this town. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
Randy had somebody with HIM for backup, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
so we both came into this being pretty leery of one another. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
Randy's guy was much bigger than my guy. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
-You carried the money with you? -Yeah. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:18 | |
It looked like I had a vest with bricks attached to it, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
so like, the type they wear in the army for protection, I guess. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
Later, Randy was ready to sell even more of Vivian's work. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
More and more people were hearing about it, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
so the last purchase price was astronomical. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
It was something I couldn't handle alone, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
and so John Maloof and I got together | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
to make the last purchase from Randy Prow. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
I went down with John and his friend Tony - | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
I had my friend Rick, who was an off-duty Chicago cop. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
Rick comes armed, and Randy brought his brother, who came armed. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:07 | |
There was a great deal of intensity in that room, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
cos you, you just don't know what may or may not happen. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
I was sweating some bullets in there. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
No pun intended. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
So who was this elusive woman | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
who took these thousands of photographs... | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
..often full of tenderness, like a parent's, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
but always from the outside? | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
All these were taken in the '50s and '60s | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
when she was working as a nanny in the suburbs north of Chicago. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
She worked in several houses, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
but for by far the longest time | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
with a family called the Ginsbergs. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
Vivian's family, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
they were very much a hub of that neighbourhood | 0:23:04 | 0:23:10 | |
and I think she probably enjoyed it... | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
..enjoyed the erm...the energy that flowed from their family. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:22 | |
It was a prosperous community, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
probably predominantly Jewish. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
It was really a neighbourhood in a very old-fashioned way. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:37 | |
We ice-skated, we went to the beach. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
She rode a bicycle - | 0:23:47 | 0:23:48 | |
we all rode bicycles, children, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
but...but grown-ups seldom did. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
And she always had her camera. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
I remember Vivian taking photographs of the kids | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
as they were just lounging around | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
and being surprised that there was no eye contact, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:11 | |
she was just into her viewfinder. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
And...it was fascinating... | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
to see somebody who was er... | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
part of the group, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
but also had found a way to...to wall herself off from it. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:32 | |
Her favourite camera helped with this. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
This is the same model as her first Rolleiflex, this opens... | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
'Artist and lecturer Pamela Bannos showed us how. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
'She's been researching Vivian's life work and tools.' | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
So we look through this viewfinder. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
You can see how difficult that is to see, to get accustomed to. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
-She looked straight down... -Yeah. -..and out. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
So this is a twin-lens camera, | 0:24:58 | 0:24:59 | |
you're actually looking through this upper lens | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
and the photograph is being made through the lower lens. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
One thumb would turn this dial, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
the other thumb would turn this dial, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
we press that button and we've made the picture. Down in there to look... | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
'To look down in a camera | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
'means you're not making eye contact with people,' | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
and for a woman photographer, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
it was a good disguise, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
because, to be out on the streets, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
you had to have the personality for it, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
but you also needed a tool that allowed you to stay invisible. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:35 | |
And she looked like a schoolmarm, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
she looked innocent - | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
it allowed her to get into the living space of lots of people. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:47 | |
When I look back at all the pictures, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
she was clearly focusing in | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
on the relationship of children and their parents. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
Some of it was very sweet, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
but some of it was...I think maybe judgemental. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
It may also have been | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
that she was noticing something about that community, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
some kind of...edginess and picking up on it. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:29 | |
The camera presented this magical transition for her | 0:26:31 | 0:26:39 | |
that allowed her to see people and to get places | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
without being...caught doing it, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
and people allowed it because she wasn't there. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
She was just in the viewfinder. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
In order to live in someone else's family and care for their kids, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:04 | |
you have to be both present and absent at the same time. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:09 | |
And she knew how to achieve that kind of balance | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
and she carried it out, it seems to me, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
in her work on the street too - she's definitely non-threatening. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
Her eye was so excellent for catching | 0:27:23 | 0:27:29 | |
not just the character of the people she was photographing, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:35 | |
but also the moment in history. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
She got Chicago in the '50s and early '60s in a very precise way, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:48 | |
she got the things that...that made it that moment. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:54 | |
There was always a degree of separation | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
between Vivian and everyone else. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
She was clearly a recluse. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
The south here was er...my dad's dental office | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
and upstairs was a room that Dad had given to Miss Maier to stay. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:22 | |
She actually completely filled the room with newspapers | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
and pictures and stuff, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:27 | |
so much that my dad had to put a steel jack underneath | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
to hold the floor up | 0:28:31 | 0:28:32 | |
and he couldn't figure out why the ceiling was sagging. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
She did hoard things | 0:28:37 | 0:28:38 | |
and she brought a lot of possessions into the house. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
Her bedroom, initially, was very simple | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
and, in no short order, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
she ended up bringing in all her possessions - | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
boxes, newspapers, er...lots of clothes, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:56 | |
lots of different items, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
and it got to the point where this sparsely populated room was unbelievably crowded | 0:28:58 | 0:29:06 | |
and, in fact, you had to almost narrow your way in | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
on the occasions that she, you know, she'd let you in, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
because she was very, very private. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
It was really, really strange to see so many pictures of myself. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
I saw a few pictures when I was very little... | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
..but after that, no, I mean, she, she kept them all to herself, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
so no, I had no clue. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
My mom was a photography editor for newspapers, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:40 | |
she worked with a lot of photographers, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
but Miss Maier never, ever showed her any of the photos, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
so it was kind of unusual that way. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
I always called her Miss Maier | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
and that was what she wanted me to call her, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
or my parents. Never Vivian, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
and she would take your head off if you used anything else. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
Sometimes she would hand her box camera to me | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
and she wanted me to take a picture of herself. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
And I think you took that picture. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
Let's see, half her head cut off and... Yeah, that would be me. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
'She wanted that focus of that camera' | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
just so. And she'd be frustrated | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
because she didn't think I could get it to the point where she wanted it. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
She told me about the importance of the contrast between dark and light. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:36 | |
When we'd go on our walks, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:45 | |
she'd take me all over the place. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
After she got done the supper, she would leave, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
and she would walk to this train station | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
headed towards Chicago area. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
That's all we knew. I never heard where she went. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
She never told anybody... | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
..and she would be very angry if we asked. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
Whenever she could, Vivian would take the train | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
from the northern suburbs, where she worked, to downtown Chicago. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
TRAIN TANNOY: Doors closing. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
The pictures that we're looking at were all taken | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
within just a few blocks of here. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
The man sitting by an old subway station | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
probably would have been taken right here. He was kind of panhandling. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
It was such a contrast to the life that she was leading in the suburbs. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
She was looking for people. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:34 | |
The best way to capture the energy of a city | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
and to understand the city is on the streets. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
She wasn't on a tour bus, she wasn't from afar, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
she was down at street level. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
Some of them aren't quite down and out, are they? | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
Some of them are elderly people who are rather ornate in their own way. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:57 | |
It's funny because, as you look at these different pictures, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
so many were taken on this corner. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
The Marshall Field's clocks were kind of a meeting place - | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
people would say, "Meet me under the Marshall Field's clock." | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
"The camera is an instrument of detection. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
"We photograph not only what we know, but also what we don't know." | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
We're going on to the South Side to meet Sara Paretsky, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
a detective writer whose heroine also walked these mean streets. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
The danger that this area, wandering around here - I mean, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
how do you see that mystery woman side of Vivian? | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
My sense of her was that she didn't think about it, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
that she was so focused on her quest | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
that she didn't think about whether she was personally at risk. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:11 | |
I think she had an intense interest in people who, in some ways, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:20 | |
were like her, and were on the margins | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
of the more glittery world | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
that she worked for but wasn't part of. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
I think it can be reassuring | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
to know that you're not alone | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
in that kind of outsider world. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:40 | |
And also, you know, she worked hard for a living | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
and these are people who worked hard for a living. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
I also get a sense of... | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
a kind of a loneliness or anomie that is, is really painful, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:55 | |
and I wonder if she selected those shots | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
out of her own sense of loneliness. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
She must have felt | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
that there was something about her that was rootless, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
that wasn't weighted down, and that | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
as many images as she could take somehow gave her weight. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
Photography can be kind of a lonely profession, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
and it's something that one actually | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
has a lot of alone-time with. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
That's probably part of her success, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
she had a lot of alone-time. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
This is how she managed to do what she did. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
She actually was the personification of finding art. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:47 | |
She walked into a picture, she saw it happening, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
she took a picture and she left. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
Camera shop staff like Pat were among the few | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
who ever got to see any of Vivian's pictures. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
She mostly showed me street scenes, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
sometimes some pretty bad neighbourhoods. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
This woman was going on foot. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
I'm also surprised that she just emerged unscathed. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
She would have been prey to someone | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
who would have wanted the camera or something. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
I've been here since I was 14 | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
and I can remember her sort of coming in | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
as early as that. And...it didn't matter the weather outside, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
but mainly, it was late in the afternoons. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
Yeah, she wore heavy er...shit-kicker shoes, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
long skirts, dark clothing, wintertime heavy coats, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
lots of scarves. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:43 | |
She treated people as people and whether she liked people, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
that was another story that day or she didn't like people that day. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
And she did not like women who were trying to act like women. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
If you had make-up on, I think she basically would cut you off. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
Men - aggressive or too many questions. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
"Goodbye - could someone else take care of me?" | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
I mean, she was right to the point. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
Sometimes, very rarely, she would open up the roll, to decide... | 0:37:10 | 0:37:15 | |
She'd say, "Come here," and you know, "You can look at them with me." | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
But not too often, mainly it was private. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
I don't honestly remember the pictures, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:30 | |
just that it was black and white and it was people things. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
With a Rolleiflex, she had just 12 shots | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
and then had to reload the film - | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
not easy in the open air. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
She shot about a roll of film a day. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
She spent virtually all her earnings on film, equipment and storage. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:56 | |
Unlike most photographers, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
Vivian tended to take just one shot and move on. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
Her hit rate was phenomenal. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:05 | |
This is a roll of film, the order in which they were taken. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
It's kids getting on a bus in the morning for school. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:18 | |
She drops them off, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:19 | |
and then she heads downtown and she starts photographing. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
You really get this sense of a day in the life or of a diary here, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
and you can see how she moves through the street. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
If you put it all in a row | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
you would see one woman's life | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
unfolding on film in this way - | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
you'd have an unbroken string of images of what she saw, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
of what her experiences were. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
This is what her big project was, it was her life. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
It was experiencing life through photography. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
She'll come upon somebody | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
who seems to be either in crisis or contemplating something, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
people who seemed to be kind of lost in, in a world of deep thought... | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
..and she was able to capture this image | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
and this is really a portrait, it's a portrait of a person, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
it's not just a shot of a random person walking down the street, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
she's captured a real, raw emotion here. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
As interested as she was in other people, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
she gave away very little about herself. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
My father hired her in part because she had a European background, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
which my father did as well. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
Oftentimes, around the dinner table, for example, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
they would speak in French. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:45 | |
Vivian was a rather opinionated woman. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:52 | |
She had political leanings | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
that I think were more on the left and feminist, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
but I would say that, wholly apart from her political opinions | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
is perhaps the way that she carried them off. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
She was an extremely abrasive person, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
and often times it was pretty much in your face. And that was Vivian. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
When people tried to elicit information about her, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
she would quickly change the topic. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
In terms of her upbringing and background, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
there was nothing that I ever really...got to know. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
She was creating a play for children in the backyard | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
and she would assign roles to all the children. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
They said, "Well, what role are you going to play?" | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
And she just looked around and said, "I'll be the mystery woman." | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
There were times when the parents would ask her, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
"So you lived in France, was that during the Occupation?" | 0:40:45 | 0:40:51 | |
And she'd respond, "Maybe." | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
So she really enjoyed having this air of mystery. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
And I think the mystery is still there. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
In just the area of Chicago where Vivian lived, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
Pamela Bannos is doing forensic research | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
on what she calls Vivian Maier's fractured archive. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
Split between the different owners. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
These are ones that Vivian chose. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
That she chose to save. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:19 | |
She's also digging deep into Vivian's mysterious past. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
..Hold in her hand and look at... | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
I see Vivian Maier as a woman | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
who is the product of the legacy of the French women before her. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
She is the daughter of a woman | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
who was the daughter of another woman | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
who were all live-in servants in New York. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
She is also today somebody else entirely, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
who I think has been invented by people who love a good story, maybe. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
Her grandmother, Eugenie Jaussaud, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
had a child out of wedlock at the age of 16. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
She left the Champsaur Valley, of France, sort of a shamed woman. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:06 | |
She arrives in New York in 1901, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
leaving her baby behind, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
and then essentially becomes a live-in cook | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
for the rest of her life. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:17 | |
So Vivian's grandmother Eugenie | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
leaves her illegitimate daughter behind in France | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
to become a cook - and then what happens? | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
In 1914, her daughter, Maria Jaussaud, arrives in Manhattan, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:31 | |
travelling with an American woman, as her private maid. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
She's in New York, never having seen her mother. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
In 1919, Vivian's mother married her father, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
an Austrian-Hungarian, Charles Maier. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
And on her marriage certificate, | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
she changes her parents' names | 0:42:53 | 0:42:54 | |
to make it look as though she's legitimate. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
She corrects the family history, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
so she sort of invents herself at this point, at least on paper. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
This Vivian Maier story is filled with intrigue and secrecy | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
and deception and privacy, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
which I think is a theme that goes throughout. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
Vivian told people she was born in France, | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
but in fact | 0:43:18 | 0:43:19 | |
she was born in Manhattan in 1926. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
Aged four, Vivian was living in St Mary's Street, in the Bronx, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
with her mother, but without her father or her elder brother. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:34 | |
But, there's a woman living with them | 0:43:34 | 0:43:35 | |
from a neighbouring village in France - | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
a studio photographer, Jeanne Bertrand. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
Maybe she had some influence on Vivian, the photographer to be. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:45 | |
Jeanne Bertrand had had an illegitimate child | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
whom she'd given up to adoption, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
and she'd since had a mental breakdown. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
We have these French women with no families, | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
we have babies with no fathers, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
we have this connection of women who are displaced, | 0:44:02 | 0:44:07 | |
who then end up living with other families | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
or give their children to other families or give their children up. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
Vivian Maier appears to have had very few personal relationships. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
She certainly never got married, | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
we don't know of any, any other relationship. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
So that would suggest this displacement | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
-comes from the circumstances. -Yes. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
In 1932, Pamela finds Vivian's mother, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
using the Swiss Benevolent Society, home for single women, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
as her address in an advert she places in the paper | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
for a job as a chambermaid. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
She's now calling herself Mademoiselle Jaussaud. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
Within months, she gives up | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
and they go to France for six years. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
Vivian was to live in her mother and grandmother's village in France | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
from the age of six to 12. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:15 | |
She was seen as something of an outsider. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
Later, Vivian was to take thousands of photographs here. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:28 | |
WOMAN SPEAKS IN FRENCH | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
TRANSLATION: She captured my attention because she made my imagination work. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
She came from America. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:40 | |
It's El Dorado, especially for a little girl of ten. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:47 | |
For me, she was an extra-terrestrial | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
who had arrived from the United States. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
She had a turned-up nose | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
and a runny nose. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
The flat where they stayed was not very comfortable, or very warm. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:07 | |
MAN SPEAKS IN FRENCH | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
-TRANSLATION: -She didn't think like us at all. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
I remember one day, we noticed some chickens scratching in a farmyard. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:19 | |
She was disgusted, and decided never to eat eggs again. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:23 | |
All the boys in the village were very pleased to be in her company. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:31 | |
She was a bit reserved. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
I'd often see her in the village square playing Marelle, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:40 | |
a game where you draw squares - | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
there's hell and heaven, paradise, | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
and you jump by throwing a stone. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
I remember she threw it a long way. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
We were all looking at her knickers. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
TRANSLATION: That's my mother, my mother! | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
In the shop, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:13 | |
we had a cake shop... | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
It's good, this photo. I'd like to have it. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
Usually, she was preoccupied, | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
there was so much work, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:24 | |
but here, she looks calm. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
-TRANSLATION: -All that is very, very long ago. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
After 12 more years in New York, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
a 24-year-old Vivian visited the village again. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
It was soon after the Second World War. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
How she learned to use a camera remains a mystery, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
but she knew what she was doing. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:04 | |
These are her first known pictures, | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
previously dismissed as snapshots. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
When I started looking through these pictures, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
I started wondering which photographs these people were talking about, | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
because what I was seeing was extremely different. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
This is not a child working with an innocent machine, | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
this is a woman who knows how to work a camera. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
This is the box camera, the humble snapshot camera. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
Literally, it has one, one shutter speed, and no other adjustment. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
-And the suggestion is that this is what she used in, in France. -Right. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
But she wasn't, in fact she might have been using a camera | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
-not dissimilar to this. -Correct. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:42 | |
This particular camera is probably from the 1940s. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
You can focus it, you can adjust the shutter speeds, | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
you can adjust the apertures, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:51 | |
you could fold it down | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
and it collapses into itself. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
This could also be considered a traveller's camera. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
She was developing the skills that would become her hallmark. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
Right early on, | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
you see her observe a character sitting on a stoop or something | 0:49:14 | 0:49:19 | |
in a public space, and she works around him. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
She followed her inner line of curiosity, | 0:49:24 | 0:49:30 | |
and it's that that establishes an artistic tendency, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:36 | |
cos the amateur doesn't do that. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
Vivian was in France to sort out the sale of a farm | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
that belonged to her great-aunt, who'd died during the war. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
It was called Beauregard, "beautiful view". | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
Her grandfather lived nearby. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
He was poor, teased by the village boys, almost an outcast. | 0:49:56 | 0:50:01 | |
It was a horrible echo of what would happen to Vivian herself | 0:50:02 | 0:50:06 | |
and to her mother, who would end up in a seedy hotel in New York. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:10 | |
Nelly lived next door. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
SHE SPEAKS IN FRENCH | 0:50:14 | 0:50:15 | |
TRANSLATION: It's me there, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:16 | |
like two sisters. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
Wherever I went, she'd come with me. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
What everybody said was, they all thought she was a spy, | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
because she took photographs all over the place. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
My parents and I never thought anything like that. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
Look at her there, she's beautiful, it looks just like her. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
She was refined, and sincere above all. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
That's what I remember about her. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
On Sundays, we'd all go to dances, but she didn't go to dances. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
SHE CLEARS HER THROAT | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
And she never married, she never made a life for herself. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
Yet she's a pretty woman. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
This morning, you've brought me something | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
which has made me very happy - to see her again. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
It was a joy. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:23 | |
Vivian roamed the area, taking views of mountains and monuments. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
She was, it seems, making postcards | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
through the camera shop in the village, | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
so maybe, at this point, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
she was hoping to make photography into a career. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
The spy story grew - | 0:51:46 | 0:51:47 | |
and the idea that she had a gun to defend herself. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
A woman wandering alone is the stuff from which myths are made. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
In the nearby town of Gap | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
she photographed a Communist Party rally, | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
and she was always seeking out people living on the edge. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:11 | |
In the spring of 1951, | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
she heads back across the ocean to New York. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
It's as though Vivian was seeing the city | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
in which she'd spent most of her life for the first time. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
'She's 26 years old when she's doing this - | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
'hopeful years, when you have your life ahead of you. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:42 | |
'She's learned everything so fast, she's learned how to look | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
'and she's going to places that are new. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
'We're actually walking in her footsteps. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
'It feels sort of uncanny to look through the camera | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
'and see the same things.' | 0:52:59 | 0:53:00 | |
And then, I guarantee you she shoots the East River right here. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
This is obviously something that we can catch better on foot | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
than, than in a car. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:12 | |
She goes to these heights | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
and creates these vistas. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:23 | |
These reminded me of the photographs | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
that she had shot in the Alps, in France, | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
when she was there in 1950. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:29 | |
Now, like her grandmother and mother before her, | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
she turned to domestic service and started to work as a nanny. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
And, ever more intensely, as a photographer. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
She's on the balcony of the Hotel Astor for the Macy's Day Parade. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
You can see from the right | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
she's actually standing with a bunch of children. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
-These children might be her charges, mightn't they? -They might be, right. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
She gets access to these places | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
because she's working for wealthy families who get access to places. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
But often, she creates her own access. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
So she's standing in the shadow here, by this wall, | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
seeing Salvador Dali behind that post, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:14 | |
actually giving an autograph to a woman | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
at the doorway to the Museum Of Modern Art. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:19 | |
She actually walks down the street here following Dali, | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
and shoots the second photograph | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
and she's caught him in this moment. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
She dates the photograph | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
to the 24th of January, 1952, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
and this is the time when there's the exhibition | 0:54:38 | 0:54:40 | |
Five French Photographers at the Museum Of Modern Art. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
So I'm assuming that she crossed that doorway | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
and she went into the museum and she saw this exhibition. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
She was teaching herself about photography, | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
and it's now that Vivian made the switch to her trademark camera, | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
the Rolleiflex, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:02 | |
with its large square negative. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
It's the first Rolleiflex picture I found | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
and it's taken on the 12th of July, 1952, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:10 | |
as she writes on the back of the print. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
She's capturing the vivid contrast of the city. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
She's found her subject matter. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
In 1952, the hottest summer on record in New York, | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
Vivian is crossing the city with her new camera. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
This is the Third Avenue train that she took up and down | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
and when it gets down below a certain point, it's the Bowery. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
So by the time she leaves New York, the train has been dismantled. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
Now, the Bowery is as gentrified as the rest of Manhattan, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
but then, it was a byword for drunks and down and outs. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
We're over by the Bowery bums, | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
where we have, like, people like this man, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
who has been beat up and he's asleep or he's unconscious in his cart, | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
and men who are alcoholics and passed out on the sidewalk. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:18 | |
And this sunny summer day where she's here. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
And she's actually standing over there | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
taking a photograph of this man, who's looking down at her | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
because she's got her Rolleiflex at her waist. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
He's looking at us, but he's looking into the lens in this picture. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:34 | |
She had to be about three feet away to get a close-up. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
To go up and photograph a stranger on the street, | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
you have to hold your ground and be fearless | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
and take what you want, because it's yours. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:56 | |
You could see that there was something that she was interested in, | 0:56:58 | 0:57:02 | |
that she was going to, drawn to, day after day. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:07 | |
She would keep on working certain themes - the underdog, | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
the cast-aside, | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
the worker. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:16 | |
"You are too young to fall asleep forever. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:22 | |
"And when you sleep, you remind me of the dead." | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
She has the tools, and her work is really taking off | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
and so is she. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
She planned a whole year away, but she needed a new passport. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:41 | |
So these images show how she kept her own archive | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
by photographing her own documents. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
This is the photograph of her 1959 passport application | 0:57:54 | 0:57:59 | |
that shows she's lied about her parents' death. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
She checks that both of her parents are deceased. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:05 | |
-She checks... -She checks that both of her parents are deceased | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
and, in fact, also eliminates her mother's name | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
from the application entirely. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:13 | |
'In fact, both her parents lived another ten years, | 0:58:13 | 0:58:17 | |
'but in 1959, they're dead to her. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
'She's cut loose.' | 0:58:20 | 0:58:22 | |
She actually lists all the places she's going. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:26 | |
She's going to the Philippines, Hong Kong, Indochina, | 0:58:26 | 0:58:29 | |
Siam, East Indies, Malaysia - | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
and she did this tour. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:35 | |
-She actually did this tour? -She did this tour. | 0:58:35 | 0:58:37 | |
-And did she take many photographs? -She took thousands of photographs. | 0:58:37 | 0:58:41 | |
So more than 50 years ago, | 0:58:43 | 0:58:45 | |
a single nanny sets off on a world tour. | 0:58:45 | 0:58:48 | |
This is before motorways, before mass air travel, before gap years. | 0:58:48 | 0:58:53 | |
She fits in a second visit to her village in France | 0:58:53 | 0:58:56 | |
to pick up a cheque from her great-aunt's property. | 0:58:56 | 0:58:59 | |
This time, she also takes in Versailles and the Louvre. | 0:58:59 | 0:59:02 | |
People make an issue of her being untaught, | 0:59:02 | 0:59:04 | |
but she was teaching herself. | 0:59:04 | 0:59:06 | |
Her visit to Paris coincides | 0:59:08 | 0:59:10 | |
with that of the US President, | 0:59:10 | 0:59:11 | |
so she shoots that too. | 0:59:11 | 0:59:13 | |
She's like a reporter, | 0:59:13 | 0:59:15 | |
but with no newspaper, no outlet. | 0:59:15 | 0:59:17 | |
It's really about being alive to the world, | 0:59:55 | 0:59:58 | |
out in the world, | 0:59:58 | 1:00:00 | |
and seeing yet another moment of...of consciousness | 1:00:00 | 1:00:07 | |
in which an awakened state is what it's all about. | 1:00:07 | 1:00:12 | |
That you are privileged to see that yet again, | 1:00:12 | 1:00:16 | |
this life is doing this for me. | 1:00:16 | 1:00:18 | |
You're dealing with the disappearing moment. | 1:00:18 | 1:00:22 | |
It's there and it's gone, | 1:00:22 | 1:00:24 | |
and the only way that...it's recognised as having happened | 1:00:24 | 1:00:29 | |
is you observing it, knowing it and photographing it. | 1:00:29 | 1:00:32 | |
So you are the repository and, and I, I think that...you know, | 1:00:32 | 1:00:39 | |
it's great if you can make prints out of it and share this, | 1:00:39 | 1:00:42 | |
but, at a certain point, if you've done it long enough, | 1:00:42 | 1:00:45 | |
you don't really, you don't really have to, | 1:00:45 | 1:00:47 | |
it's for you, it's just for you. | 1:00:47 | 1:00:49 | |
But maybe working alone with no audience | 1:00:53 | 1:00:55 | |
was too much of a strain in the end. | 1:00:55 | 1:00:57 | |
It seems the centre would not hold. | 1:00:59 | 1:01:01 | |
The world had opened up, | 1:01:05 | 1:01:06 | |
but by the late '60s, was closing in for Vivian. | 1:01:06 | 1:01:09 | |
The shelter she'd found | 1:01:21 | 1:01:22 | |
with the Ginsberg family in Chicago | 1:01:22 | 1:01:24 | |
came to an end. | 1:01:24 | 1:01:26 | |
It wasn't until all the Ginsberg boys went to college | 1:01:28 | 1:01:32 | |
that finally Mrs Ginsberg said, | 1:01:32 | 1:01:33 | |
"Vivian, maybe it's time now for you to go on." | 1:01:33 | 1:01:36 | |
And breaking up was very hard for them and the family. | 1:01:38 | 1:01:41 | |
The Ginsberg family very prominently said that she was like Mary Poppins. | 1:01:43 | 1:01:48 | |
Almost all the other families that I've talked to | 1:01:48 | 1:01:51 | |
all say that Mary Poppins is about the last adjective...phrase | 1:01:51 | 1:01:56 | |
that they would use in talking about Vivian. | 1:01:56 | 1:01:58 | |
She did have her dark side and she had her light sides. | 1:01:59 | 1:02:03 | |
When she taught me, that was wonderful, | 1:02:04 | 1:02:06 | |
that was just wonderful. | 1:02:06 | 1:02:07 | |
But, you know, | 1:02:09 | 1:02:11 | |
her emotions could get better of her sometimes, and so... | 1:02:11 | 1:02:14 | |
just leave her be. | 1:02:14 | 1:02:16 | |
Oh, you didn't want her to get angry with you, believe me. | 1:02:20 | 1:02:23 | |
Where there'd been pleasure, excitement, | 1:02:29 | 1:02:31 | |
increasingly there was disappointment and dread. | 1:02:31 | 1:02:34 | |
She witnessed the Chicago riots, in 1968. | 1:02:37 | 1:02:39 | |
Bobby Kennedy being assassinated, | 1:02:46 | 1:02:48 | |
the chaos that was going on in '68 | 1:02:48 | 1:02:50 | |
and her photography, very much, you get that sense of it. | 1:02:50 | 1:02:53 | |
Her work after that, | 1:02:55 | 1:02:57 | |
she would go to the same places, she would go, | 1:02:57 | 1:02:59 | |
take the same kinds of walks, | 1:02:59 | 1:03:00 | |
but instead of noticing beautiful abstractions on the sidewalk | 1:03:00 | 1:03:04 | |
and beautiful light coming through trees, she'd start to see garbage. | 1:03:04 | 1:03:08 | |
When you see the weight of all these images, thousands of images, | 1:03:10 | 1:03:13 | |
just the mildewing, wet newspapers and garbage cans... | 1:03:13 | 1:03:17 | |
..it, there's a weight to it and there's, there's a power to it | 1:03:18 | 1:03:21 | |
and I don't think you can deny that it somehow is linked to who she was. | 1:03:21 | 1:03:26 | |
It was all bad news. | 1:03:28 | 1:03:30 | |
It was as if she was drowning, | 1:03:30 | 1:03:32 | |
as if she'd given up on people. | 1:03:32 | 1:03:36 | |
As the years passed, her jobs got shorter, | 1:03:53 | 1:03:56 | |
her hoarding and secretive behaviour more extreme. | 1:03:56 | 1:04:00 | |
It was a little bit of a mystery, what she did during the weekends, | 1:04:05 | 1:04:08 | |
where she stayed. | 1:04:08 | 1:04:10 | |
She would, you know, take her belongings, her possessions, | 1:04:10 | 1:04:13 | |
often bags...of clothes that she would, she would have, | 1:04:13 | 1:04:17 | |
always with her camera, | 1:04:17 | 1:04:19 | |
and likewise, she would return sometimes with, you know, | 1:04:19 | 1:04:23 | |
new bags and more clothing. | 1:04:23 | 1:04:26 | |
No work exists beyond the 1980s, | 1:04:34 | 1:04:37 | |
but she was still carrying her camera, | 1:04:37 | 1:04:39 | |
still putting rolls of film | 1:04:39 | 1:04:41 | |
in her own personal bucket at Central Cameras, | 1:04:41 | 1:04:44 | |
rolls she couldn't afford to collect. | 1:04:44 | 1:04:47 | |
That was her major difficulty | 1:04:47 | 1:04:50 | |
in the last 15, 20 years - | 1:04:50 | 1:04:52 | |
economics, not having enough economics. | 1:04:52 | 1:04:55 | |
She couldn't afford all of the things that she wanted. | 1:04:56 | 1:04:59 | |
Maybe more work will still emerge, | 1:05:00 | 1:05:02 | |
but maybe she would have preferred if it didn't. | 1:05:02 | 1:05:06 | |
I don't think she would like it at all, no. | 1:05:06 | 1:05:10 | |
There's too much going on, | 1:05:11 | 1:05:14 | |
too much delving into who she was or what she was | 1:05:14 | 1:05:17 | |
and why was she this and so on, | 1:05:17 | 1:05:19 | |
and the trickle downs and the trickle ups and, hey, | 1:05:19 | 1:05:22 | |
I like taking pictures - that was her release, that was her world. | 1:05:22 | 1:05:25 | |
I didn't go to the shows to see the interpretation of other people | 1:05:26 | 1:05:30 | |
of what they felt about her, cos I have my own feelings about her | 1:05:30 | 1:05:34 | |
and I respect the way she was. | 1:05:34 | 1:05:36 | |
Maybe I would have learned something, | 1:05:36 | 1:05:38 | |
but would it have been the truth? | 1:05:38 | 1:05:39 | |
It would have been someone else's interpretation of a truth. | 1:05:39 | 1:05:43 | |
Yet she's caught the imagination of a world | 1:05:46 | 1:05:48 | |
captivated with taking pictures incessantly on their phones. | 1:05:48 | 1:05:52 | |
Vivian has gone viral. | 1:05:54 | 1:05:55 | |
She now lives on the web, | 1:05:57 | 1:05:59 | |
but she lived in her imagination. | 1:05:59 | 1:06:02 | |
Her compulsion to take pictures was her life. | 1:06:02 | 1:06:06 | |
It's what she has left behind. | 1:06:07 | 1:06:09 | |
Some of the pictures of Vivian's were from when I was a kid, | 1:06:11 | 1:06:15 | |
cos I was probably there, and I didn't even realise. | 1:06:15 | 1:06:19 | |
I probably walked past her, | 1:06:21 | 1:06:23 | |
but I never would have known. | 1:06:23 | 1:06:24 | |
Can you contact them | 1:06:26 | 1:06:27 | |
and see what's happening with the main show in Shanghai? Yeah... | 1:06:27 | 1:06:31 | |
'You see, our work isn't our work until it's shared, | 1:06:31 | 1:06:35 | |
'somebody else has to see it.' | 1:06:35 | 1:06:36 | |
She did have a very private life, | 1:06:39 | 1:06:41 | |
so I think she would not be very happy about that, | 1:06:41 | 1:06:43 | |
about people knowing about her. | 1:06:43 | 1:06:45 | |
As her story dissipates, and our stories dissipate as they should, | 1:06:47 | 1:06:52 | |
and the work remains, that's, I think she would be thrilled with it. | 1:06:52 | 1:06:57 | |
In 200 years, if people are looking at her work, | 1:06:57 | 1:07:00 | |
I'd be absolutely delighted and I think she would be also. | 1:07:00 | 1:07:03 | |
You know, at some point, I think I'm going to give some away, | 1:07:05 | 1:07:08 | |
maybe one a week for a bunch of weeks and see what happens. | 1:07:08 | 1:07:12 | |
Give them back to the streets, so to speak. | 1:07:12 | 1:07:14 | |
Look at all this, this is only one third of what I have. | 1:07:14 | 1:07:17 | |
There's three times this, | 1:07:17 | 1:07:19 | |
so there's more than enough. | 1:07:19 | 1:07:20 | |
There's people grabbing cameras right now, | 1:07:22 | 1:07:24 | |
they're doing a lot of street photography because of Vivian. | 1:07:24 | 1:07:28 | |
I can't give away the rabbits, | 1:07:28 | 1:07:30 | |
that's my favourite. | 1:07:30 | 1:07:32 | |
It must have been around 2007 or so, I was on my way to work | 1:07:44 | 1:07:48 | |
and I saw her walking down the street, | 1:07:48 | 1:07:51 | |
and I had a moment where I thought, | 1:07:51 | 1:07:53 | |
"Oh, should I...come over, | 1:07:53 | 1:07:56 | |
"walk over and say hello?" | 1:07:56 | 1:07:58 | |
And I just didn't, I was running a little late and I just thought... | 1:07:58 | 1:08:01 | |
So I stood there and I just kind of watched her walk, | 1:08:01 | 1:08:04 | |
and I thought, "Wow! | 1:08:04 | 1:08:06 | |
"Vivian's still going strong, that is strange." | 1:08:06 | 1:08:10 | |
Right at the end of her life, | 1:08:19 | 1:08:20 | |
a neighbour caught sight of her round the rubbish bins. | 1:08:20 | 1:08:24 | |
I first saw her in the neighbourhood | 1:08:24 | 1:08:27 | |
in the alleys. | 1:08:27 | 1:08:28 | |
She used to be carrying shopping bags, books. | 1:08:28 | 1:08:32 | |
I thought she was homeless. | 1:08:32 | 1:08:34 | |
When I swim, I started noticing her over here. | 1:08:37 | 1:08:40 | |
She used to sit over here behind these trees, | 1:08:40 | 1:08:44 | |
kind of a...I don't know, out of the way, she didn't really want, | 1:08:44 | 1:08:48 | |
she didn't want to be bothered, I think she knew she was different. | 1:08:48 | 1:08:52 | |
She'd just be staring at the lake. | 1:08:53 | 1:08:55 | |
I'd swim for a half hour out there and | 1:08:58 | 1:09:00 | |
I'd look up and she would be gone. | 1:09:00 | 1:09:03 | |
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