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God, I don't even know if I can answer it any more. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
What is Outsider Art? Erm... | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
Basically, Outsider Art is... | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
No, I can't... Start again. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
What is Outsider Art? | 0:00:19 | 0:00:20 | |
I don't know, you got me. I been trying to figure that out. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:28 | |
I've certainly been called worse things in my life | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
than an Outsider Artist. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
Is that somebody that's working outside? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
You know, that doesn't mind if it rains or something, | 0:00:37 | 0:00:42 | |
and they'll draw outside? | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
That's what I would've said. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
In fact, I was a bit of an Outsider Artist. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
I was over on a bench over in Hyde Park, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
laying low from the cops at night, doing drawings! | 0:00:54 | 0:00:59 | |
What do you mean? | 0:01:00 | 0:01:01 | |
Well, I suppose so, but what does an outsider...? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
What does an insider feel like? | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
How are you saying the name? | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
Outsider Art. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:17 | |
Ah, Outsider? I don't know. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
Maybe is from a different planet? | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
Represent for me Outsider. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
Whatever you call it, when you see it, you know it. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
You're looking for things that make you go, "Oh, my God." | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
And that's Outsider Art. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
Once upon a time, in the Italian countryside not far from Venice, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
there lived a young boy named Carlo Zinelli. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
Carlo's mother died when he was very young | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
and he was taken out of school to go and work in the fields, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
tending to his father's cattle. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:15 | |
When he grew into a young man | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
he joined the army and was sent off to fight in a terrible war. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
But he returned after just two months, and anyone who knew Carlo | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
could tell that something was very wrong with him. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
He behaved strangely, and refused to utter a single word. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
They tried to cure him with electricity, but that didn't work, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
and so he was sent away to an asylum with high walls | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
and locks on the doors. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
And there he would stay, hidden from the world. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
One day Carlo picked up a stone from the ground | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
and began to draw on the walls. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
The nurses stopped him immediately, but Carlo couldn't stop. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
He wanted to draw everywhere, on anything. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
After a while the doctors realised it kept him quiet, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
and so they gave him some broken old pencils and left him to it. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
Then one day, a Scottish artist called Michael Noble arrived. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
He was married to a rich Italian contessa | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
and had come to the hospital to cure his fondness for whisky. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
He saw what Carlo was doing with primitive equipment, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
and was outraged. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:42 | |
"This man is an artist! You must let him create!" | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
And so, with the contessa's money, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
Michael Noble created a studio inside the asylum, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
with good brushes and plenty of paint. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
Carlo Zinelli may have been unable to talk, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
but something else poured out of him. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
The floodgates opened. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
Carlo spent eight hours painting every day, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
completely engrossed in his work. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
By the time he died, he had made nearly 2,000 paintings. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
These works were once dismissed as the scrawlings of a lunatic. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
Now Carlo Zinelli's work is on show 70 miles from the asylum, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:46 | |
at the biggest and most prestigious event in the art calendar. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
It's early summer and the Venice Biennale is just beginning. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
This festival is a barometer for the contemporary art world, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
it reflects currents trends. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
And, this year, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:21 | |
so-called Outsider Artists like Carlo Zinelli are the hot topic. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
..and Carlo became very prolific and he started doing more and more work. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
His psychiatrist then took his art to see Jean Dubuffet | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
and Andre Breton... | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
Carlo's work is here in Venice thanks to this man - | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
the director of the Museum Of Everything. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
The crosses there upside-down must be the graves of the soldiers | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
and that star is the star of the Alpini soldiers, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
which he was conscripted in. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
You see that star everywhere. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
I think there are all kinds of riddles hidden in there, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
but I think they are just for him. From what I know, he didn't care. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
The minute he finished one, he sort of threw it away | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
and the nurses and doctors would grab them up and a lot of them | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
would make their way into their homes. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
But what happened to this work in the interim? | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
Generally speaking, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:15 | |
Carlo has been curated by and for the Outsider Art Brut audience, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
and that's why it's stayed this sort of...secret, I guess. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:26 | |
Well, that secret is now well and truly out. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
The keynote exhibition here is the Encyclopaedic Palace, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
where self-taught artists | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
rub shoulders with big names from the contemporary art world. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
Have a look at these. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
They were made by a 38-year-old man | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
with absolutely no artistic training. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
This man saw visions and heard voices. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
In private, he induced hallucinations | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
and then recorded everything in small journals, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
a process he kept up for 16 years. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
That man was Carl Jung, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
one of the founding fathers of modern psychology. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
Is he an Outsider Artist? | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
I don't like to distinguish | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
between insiders and outsiders, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:18 | |
and that's what this exhibition is about. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
I've learned, particularly from artists, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
that artists are curious about any visual manifestations, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
and so I wanted to make a show for artists | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
and for the public in which the distinctions | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
between the professional and the self-taught are blurred. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
What this Biennale does | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
is disrupt the story of art as most of us know it. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
It brings us back to the most basic questions | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
about the power and the purpose of art. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
What if there is this inborn urge to be an artist? | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
Inborn in these guys that had no chance. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
The thing that I think we look for in art is a kind of urgency, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
like the artist could not help but do it. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
And what we have in contemporary art right now is a lot of calculation. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
-Careerism, calculation. -The artist could... | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
There's no sense of that urgency or necessity. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
It's fantastic to see here | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
all these artists who were always marginalised until now | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
and they're together with artists, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
and this is where they belong, obviously. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
And by the way, excuse me, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
Caravaggio was homeless, incarcerated and insane. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
And 90% of the artists I've ever met are kind of a little insane, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:39 | |
so, boom. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:40 | |
I just have to say | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
I've never seen a Venice Biennale as strong as this one. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
I mean, for me, it's really... | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
I think this is a turn in history here. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
It's a rupture. It's really very important. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
Some of the best work in Venice | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
is by an Outsider Artist called Shinichi Sawada. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
The young man who made these strange | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
and wonderful creatures works in almost total isolation | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
at the top of a mountain in the backwoods of Japan. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
Sawada's magical and monstrous creatures | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
seem to be the fruits of a personal mythology. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
His work has been shown in Venice, London, Paris, Amsterdam - | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
an exhibition record | 0:12:02 | 0:12:03 | |
that would be the envy of any Goldsmith's graduate his age. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
But, unlike those graduates, Sawada isn't engaged with the art world, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
the merry-go-round of dealers, openings and endless networking. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
His autism means he is unable to engage with it. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
Why does he make these things? It's not for profit. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
Certainly not for fame. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
Where does this urge to create come from? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
I like your... | 0:12:56 | 0:12:57 | |
Oh, yeah! | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
Japanese society expects everyone to plays a productive role, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
whatever condition they may have. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
Akane Kimura makes 0.8 yen, that's half a pence, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
for every sponge she puts in a plastic envelope. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
In the afternoon, she draws. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
And those pictures have been exhibited | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
in museums across the world. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
THEY SPEAK JAPANESE | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
This is Nobuji Higa. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
One day he was given a book of coffee table erotica. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
But he transforms those photographs into something altogether different. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
It was in the 1940s that a French artist called Jean Dubuffet | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
first brought self-taught art out of the asylums, and into the galleries. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:41 | |
Dubuffet christened it "Art Brut", a legacy of his days | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
in the wine trade, where "brut" means raw or unsugared. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
He was interested in the lack of sophistication of the work, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
which he saw as its purity. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
For him, a spontaneous outpouring | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
from the wellspring of creativity was the mark of TRUE art. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
Dubuffet toured asylums in central Europe, hoovering up work | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
and creating an alternative canon of Art Brut. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
He discovered people like Aloise Corbaz, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
a Swiss governess whose imagined affair with Kaiser Wilhelm II | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
led to an erotic outpouring of drawings, collage and murals. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
Or Adolf Wolfli, a schizophrenic goatherd and labourer | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
who produced over 25,000 pages of drawings, literature and music | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
in his own invented notation, all of which he signed "St Adolf II". | 0:17:58 | 0:18:04 | |
Dubuffet often had problems finding art, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
because the hospitals rarely archived it. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
The psychiatric world didn't fully appreciate | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
the value of what their patients were making. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
BIRDSONG | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
But times have changed. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
BIRDSONG | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Here in the forest north of Vienna lies the Art / Brut Centre, Gugging. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:52 | |
Gugging is famous for its House of Artists, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
home to 14 psychiatric patients who have been | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
plucked from the Austrian system thanks to their artistic talent. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
Unlike the day centres of Japan, these artists live here full-time. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
There is no obligation for them to make art, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
but still it pours out of them. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
So you've brought the outsiders inside. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
How has the art world responded to that? | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
In the '80s, it was very difficult because on the one hand | 0:20:24 | 0:20:30 | |
the world of psychiatry didn't understand it, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
and on the other hand the art world saw this experiment. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:40 | |
It was not really presented as art. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
So what I wanted to show was that all the single pieces of art, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:52 | |
of every good Art Brut artist, has the same worth | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
as any other single piece of any other kind of art. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
If you buy a Van Gogh, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
you have to pay 200 million, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
and then the illness doesn't play any role. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
So it's the art that's important, is what you're saying, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
and let's not focus on the case studies. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
But how do you look after the artists, then? | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
One thing is the private life of an artist, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
and the other thing is his professional life as an artist. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
So on the one hand we supported the artist in their private needs, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:34 | |
with illness or whatever. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
And on the other side we managed, more or less, the art - | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
we organised exhibitions, we made publications, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
and we selected their works because they themselves couldn't select. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:50 | |
It's the same work as any gallerist works his artists. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:56 | |
Perhaps the best-known Gugging artist | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
is the now deceased August Walla. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
It was almost as though his creative urges could not be contained | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
within his room, and exploded into the surrounding countryside, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
which he peppered with his work on any available surface. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
The Vatican has the Sistine Chapel, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
and Gugging has August Walla's old room. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
INDISTINCT | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
Come, I show you a picture. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
Look it. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
This is from... | 0:23:24 | 0:23:25 | |
HE SPEAKS GERMAN | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
It's a lot of money. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
I see we have these images of the artists on the walls here. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:45 | |
The fact that you're selling and exhibiting this work, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
pretty successfully, what impact does that have on the artists? | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
It depends on the artist. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
Johann Garber is very aware of who he is. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
I know, we went to Basel to an exhibition | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
in a gallery there, and we had to fly with the airplane. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:05 | |
And he asked me, "Nina, could you please carry my luggage?" | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
And I said, "How come?" | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
And he said, "Yeah, I'm the artist". | 0:25:13 | 0:25:14 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
So in a way they're just like all these other famous artists, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
they're all divas? | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
Yes. On one side, of course, yeah. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
Erm... So... And why not? | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
LEONHARD: That's my picture. My picture. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
-That's my picture. -That's my picture. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
JOHANN: We have place for 14 people, nothing more. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
That means I invite somebody if I see that he has a talent, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:04 | |
but if he will become an artist is a question - you never know. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:10 | |
It needs time. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:11 | |
Sometimes it's very easy, sometimes it needs ten years, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
sometimes it never will be. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
You're a very patient man, Johann. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
It's... | 0:27:20 | 0:27:21 | |
Life goes over 80 years, and not just for three months, you know? | 0:27:21 | 0:27:28 | |
This is Gunther Shutzenhofer. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
He currently has a solo show at a gallery in New York. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
GUNTHER LAUGHS | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
I love his work because it doesn't look like anything that I know, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
after doing this for 35 years. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
Was ist das, Gunther? | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
This is a...a...a radio. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
Radio. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
This is a radio. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
Shutzenhofer's work seems to have that ability to transport | 0:28:31 | 0:28:39 | |
diverse people in the same way that an inkblot test does. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
I've seen it over and over again. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
You look at something. "What is this image?" | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
One person will say, "Oh, it's a radio." "It's a car." | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
"It's an aeroplane." "It's a comb." "It's a..." | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
And everyone is bringing their own brain to the work. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
And that's a wonderful thing. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Everyone is desperately trying to put Outsider Art | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
into a nice, neat little box. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
And it doesn't really fit in | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
because it's something that happened independently. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
It's something that owes nothing to art history. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
When you owe nothing to art history, you really have a problem. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
This work, that was not made with that trapping of, you know, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:47 | |
"Will I get into one of the good galleries? | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
"Will I be in the Biennale?" | 0:29:49 | 0:29:50 | |
It's very nice that it's there, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
it deserves a place in the Venice Biennale. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
But at the same time I don't want to be so much part of that whole, | 0:29:55 | 0:30:01 | |
"Oh, what's the market doing?" | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
Because then. you're like financial stocks. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
You should love it because it inspires you to love, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
not because people say "Oh, this is safe now to love, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
"because it's selling big, we can all get in on it..." | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
What is that? I don't want that! | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
Well... | 0:30:18 | 0:30:19 | |
We had grand ambitions about ten years ago that we were going | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
to try to create a whole category at Christie's of Outsider Art. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:30 | |
Unfortunately, there weren't enough investor/speculator types | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
who would be willing to fuel the market by reselling. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
That is one of the problems we had | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
with creating an auction category. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
Many of the passionate | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Outsider Art collectors | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
are in some ways as obsessive | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
as the artist they collect. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
They love the works they have, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
and they keep them. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:57 | |
-Aren't they beautiful? -Yes, they are very beautiful. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
I've been collecting this group of cards for about 30 years, either | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
if they came up in auction or from private collections or wherever. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
Madge Gill was controlled by a spirit guide, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
-who she named as Myrninerest. -Myrninerest? | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
Yes. "My inner rest". | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
I would think that these are a repeated self-portrait, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
over and over again. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
There is an obsessive quality to many of these artists. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
Often - like the British outsider Madge Gill - they work in isolation. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
Where professional artists forge their creations in a dialogue | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
with art history, the outsider is engaged in a monologue. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
One of the exciting things about seeing an Outsider Artist | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
you've never seen before is that you've never seen | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
anything like it before either. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:54 | |
Because each Outsider Artist is like an art movement of one. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
They invent their own techniques, their own disciplines, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
their own ways of working and their own visions. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
That's why they come up with | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
something completely individual each time. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
Now this is a little picture by Joe Coleman. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
It's a self-portrait of Joe, just after he'd carried out | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
his autopsy on a dead body in a Hungarian hospital. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
That's him there - it's called The Pathologist. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
I couldn't afford his paintings - they're so expensive! | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
Big paintings, about this big. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
So I said, "Joe, can you just do me a little tiny painting | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
"that I can just about afford?" | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
My little grandson is really frightened of it. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
Welcome to The Odditorium. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
OFFBEAT MUSIC PLAYS | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
I got kicked out of art school. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
And then they asked me to be an adviser many years later, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
after I had a certain...following at that point. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
So I said, "OK, I'll be an adviser." So I told the kid, | 0:33:35 | 0:33:40 | |
"Get the fuck out of school, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
"because you're not going to learn a goddamn thing in that school." | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
You have to go out there and live, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
and that's where you're going to find your art, not in art school. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
At home it was really, pretty fucked up because, you know, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:58 | |
my father was a pretty violent alcoholic, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
and he tormented my mother and the rest of the family. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:07 | |
I found release and relief in drawing. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:12 | |
When I started painting, my brushstrokes were bigger, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
and now I barely even move my brush. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
It's a one-hair brush and I use jeweller's lenses. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
I'm looking for more and more information | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
on the surface of the painting. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
Even though it's coming out of somewhere - | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
out there or in here - but it's appearing here, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
and that's where I'm finding it. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
And the more minute that I look, the more that I find. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
I try to take care of the misfits, and the losers. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
The losers never get to write their side of history. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
Except in my work. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:58 | |
Joe Coleman's customers include Johnny Depp and Leonardo DiCaprio. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:06 | |
Prices for his paintings have risen steadily, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
and there is now a waiting list. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
People want the work quicker | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
than his one-hair brush can paint it. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
In fact, such is his popularity that, in a peculiar twist, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
he is now banned from showing at the Outsider Art Fair | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
on account of being too successful. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
What does this tell us? | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
Perhaps it suggests we fetishise these artists - we prefer them | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
to be poor and struggling. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
Across town lives one such artist who fits that bill. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
Hi! Welcome to New York! Come in! | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
Come in here. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
Yeah, now you can do. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
It's OK? | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
When Ionel Talpazan was still a boy in Romania, he had an encounter with | 0:35:57 | 0:36:02 | |
what he believes was a UFO, which bathed him in a strange blue light. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
His life's work is an attempt to make sense of this. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
Go ahead. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
Maybe you like it. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:47 | |
ETHEREAL MUSIC PLAYS | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
Ionel's parents sold him for just under £100 when he was a baby. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
As a young man he took drastic measures to escape | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
the Ceausescu regime, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:47 | |
and swam the Danube from Romania to Yugoslavia, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
eventually finding refuge in the United States. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
He has lived in this one-room apartment in Harlem for 18 years. | 0:37:54 | 0:38:00 | |
It was at the Outsider Art Fair - I had a booth there, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
I used to show Outsiders' work there. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
But Ionel used to be outside, in the snow every day, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
selling his artwork on the street. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
So, in a way, Ionel shot himself in the foot | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
because he was always outside selling his work for a fraction of | 0:38:15 | 0:38:20 | |
the cost that I would like to have sold it for on my booth at the fair. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
HE INHALES DEEPLY | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
Ionel may be ploughing a lonely furrow. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
But then again...they all laughed at Christopher Columbus | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
when he said the world was round. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
They all laughed when Edison recorded sound. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
JAUNTY MUSIC PLAYS | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
The Alternative Guide To The Universe | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
is brimming with mavericks - | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
self-taught artists, unlicensed architects, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
fringe physicists and visionary inventors. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
Hayward Gallery director Ralph Rugoff | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
treated me to a private tour as it was hung. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
ROBOT WHIRS AND CLANGS | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
There's something about his movement that is quite scary, isn't it? | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
Wu Yulu is a farmer in China who has taught himself | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
how to make robots, using whatever materials are at hand. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:49 | |
He's made robots who commit suicide, robots who smoke cigarettes, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
robots who do the dishes for him. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
And this is a child robot. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
ROBOT WHIRS AND CLANGS | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
When you think about the idea of a child robot in China, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
given China's policy of only one child per family, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
who's going to be a sibling for all those single children? | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
This is a remarkable French artist named Marcel Storr. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
These were all made in the 1970s. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
He was an orphan, he was deaf. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
He worked as a street sweeper in the Bois de Boulogne. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
He would go home at night and make these incredibly | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
intricate drawings - these were cityscapes he called Megalopolises, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
and this was his blueprint for the rebuilding of Paris, which | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
he was convinced was going to be destroyed in a nuclear attack. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
This was one of his last, unfinished works. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
It gives you a sense of how he worked, which is great. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
Incredibly detailed, painstaking, elaborate lines | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
that he's drawing, where they're so small, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
I can't even see them with my eye any more. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
It's this idea also, in this art, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
if you can't live in the real world or you're not happy there, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
create an alternative reality for yourself. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
And that's what he seems to have done. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
Paul Laffoley is an inventor of all kinds of devices. But he was one of | 0:42:13 | 0:42:18 | |
the assistant architects working on the original World Trade Center in | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
New York, and at a certain point, he went off in a different direction. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
It's good to be unknown for a long time. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
Because then you can actually pump up what you're doing, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
and make it into a format where they can't destroy it. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:42 | |
Because if you're in an art school - that's the worst place to go. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
That's the one thing I said to myself. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
Never enter an art school. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
I did go to an architectural school, but got kicked out after one year. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:56 | |
For conceptual deviance. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
Paul came up with plans for a time machine where your body | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
doesn't travel through time - you're just able to see | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
what different times look like. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
Mentally, you can project yourself. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
I mean, Stephen Hawking said | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
we'll see a time machine in the next 50 years. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
Laffoley says he had an encounter with an alien intelligence | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
that changed his life. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
And that directed him to make this painting. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
And that if you put your hands... | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
This is the left hand of the past, the right hand of the future. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
If you put your hands, Alan, on those two things, | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
and put your head forward, | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
you're supposed to be able to download intelligence | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
from another dimension. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:40 | |
You look different. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:48 | |
I'll let you know. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:50 | |
So this is a sort of injection of something... | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
Also you could see it in Venice as well - | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
a different way of looking at the world, | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
a sort of mutation of art and science | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
and mathematics, and mysticism... | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
I think a lot of work in this show hearkens back to a kind of | 0:44:05 | 0:44:10 | |
Renaissance moment, when science and art weren't so different. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
You think about Leonardo and Michelangelo, | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
they were making weaponry, they were thinking about flight, | 0:44:17 | 0:44:22 | |
they were thinking, you know, about science | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
as well as thinking about art. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:25 | |
They were all engaged in the pursuit of knowledge, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
and understanding what it meant to be human, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
which is something contemporary art has lost sight of. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
Supposedly now we have experts who look after that for all of us. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
All these people in this show are people who have decided | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
they don't want the experts to look after it. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
They've got their own ideas about how this works. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
George Widener is the kind of person who will see a licence plate, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
it'll make him think of a date. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
It'll be Thursday, he'll then think of every event | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
he's ever read or heard of | 0:44:54 | 0:44:55 | |
that happened on a Thursday with that number date. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
And he's made landscapes, whole cities, | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
based on these ideas of time. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
George believes in this idea called The Singularity, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
which is, that in the near future, machines will become intelligent, | 0:45:15 | 0:45:20 | |
we'll have artificial intelligence. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
And a lot of people put this date at 2045, | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
which now is starting to seem not that far away. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
I started to listen to this voice inside of me and stuff | 0:45:49 | 0:45:53 | |
that was interested in these patterns. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
And it started to become very strong. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
You know, I was institutionalised at one point, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
because I was going over these things in my head | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
over and over and over and over again. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
There's a thing called a magic square. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:32 | |
These numbers, if you add them up this way, they add up to 34. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:37 | |
If you add them up this way, they add up to 34, right? | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
In all directions, they add up to an identical sum of 34. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:47 | |
And in the case of this sculpture - there's 2, 17, 29, 11, | 0:46:47 | 0:46:54 | |
10, 5 and 13 add up to 70. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
And I create symmetrical patterns using the days of the week. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:02 | |
And there's this linkage between the present, the past and the future. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
What happened in the past was... | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
I was, you know, trying to do too much in my life, | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
and I kind of got overwhelmed | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
and went from being an engineering scholar | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
to being on the streets and stuff. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
Now I'm in galleries, I associate with dealers, art dealers, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:27 | |
I show at art fairs, I sell my work. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
You know, so, what to make of it? I don't know, you know? | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
I don't think about it too much. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
If you were to look at the Fridays of 1912 - | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
there's January 5, 12, 19, 26, | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
February 2, 9, 16, 23, | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
March 1, 8, 15, 22, 29, | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
April 5, 12, 19, 26, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
May 3, 10, 17, 24, 31 and so on. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
So I see them in my head, they line up and stuff. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:00 | |
I feel, um...that there will be huge technological changes in the future. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:06 | |
Machines will be able to scan these very rapidly, | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
and see these interconnections and find this sort of interesting. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
They're going to need artwork too, | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
the robots and machines of the future. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
So I'm simply making some work, for them and stuff, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:24 | |
to relax with, and stuff. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
I'm just being useful, I think. That's what I'm doing, you know. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
The Museum of Everything started life in a former dairy in 2009. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:06 | |
It has an exceptional collection of Outsider Art, | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
and just as revolutionary as the work is the way it's presented. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
With no fixed abode, it takes over spaces for a limited time only. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:18 | |
The ramshackle, hand-knitted aesthetic | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
is the work of Eve Stewart - the award winning production designer | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
of Les Mis and The King's Speech. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
It's playful and unpretentious - a million miles | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
from the intimidating white space of most contemporary galleries. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
Here it is again, popping up in London, in Selfridges. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:42 | |
Who else would think to stage an art exhibition | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
slap bang in the middle of Oxford Street? | 0:49:45 | 0:49:47 | |
This man pops up everywhere too. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
The museum's freewheeling director, James Brett. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
Now, he is the ringmaster of a travelling circus | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
as it hurtles across Russia, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
sniffing out secret works by unknown artists. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
This convoy has collected new work in four different Russian cities. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:21 | |
And now it has come to a stop in Moscow, | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
for a huge show of that work at Dasha Zhukova's Garage. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
This very graphic work is by Oleg Gordov, who is a street cleaner, | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
and a handyman and he's a self-taught historian. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
And when you talk to him, actually, he was a really troublesome kid, | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
and I think narrowly escaped being in prison. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
And he's a sweet character. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
But obviously, as you can see on this wall, there's a lot of Nazis. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
It's one thing to have one Hitler in your show - we've got two Hitlers. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
And that Hitler is what sort of sold me on him, | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
because it's Hitler and he's just realised he's lost the war. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
And if you look at his features, you can see the pain. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
This one, which is again, you know, same period - it's a Russian soldier, | 0:51:31 | 0:51:36 | |
seductively licking the cheek of a female Nazi officer. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:41 | |
And there's something about the humour of the whole thing, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
that actually he's thrilled by these episodes of war. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
And somehow, nobody else was doing it like that. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
I certainly hope he's not a fascist. I can't really tell. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
I have a really complicated relationship with this artist. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
The first time I saw her work, I was very confident - | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
"not for us, thanks very much." | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
Because it's too...it's too simple in its depiction of the world. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:28 | |
But this woman is far from simple | 0:52:28 | 0:52:29 | |
and once I started looking at what she does... | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
You happen to be pointing the camera at the ones that changed my mind. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:37 | |
The artist, Pyzhova, she's about 80 years old. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
She's not skinny. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
And she lives in this apartment block and is very proud | 0:52:42 | 0:52:44 | |
of what I think is 150 or so lovers | 0:52:44 | 0:52:48 | |
that she's had during her lifetime. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
She's a very erotic woman. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
You haven't just got animals doing it with their own species, | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
you've got animals doing it with other species. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:58 | |
And then things get worse. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
This is not a one-off, or a two-off, there are hundreds of these pictures. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
It's not that these are masterpieces, but still... | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
I'm in love with this picture. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
The two brontosauruses making out by the river is just phenomenal. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:15 | |
And it probably happened. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:16 | |
This artist, you've got to look at. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
I mean, just take a big look. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
This is a 15-year project of one man, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
who goes every day to the park, in Nizhny Novgorod, | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
and paints the same, or virtually the same landscape. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
And what he's documenting, | 0:53:46 | 0:53:47 | |
from the top of this to the bottom, is the weather. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
My only sadness is that we were only able to get a year of Viktor. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
I was hoping for five years. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:54 | |
The whole of this museum in Moscow couldn't contain all 15 years. | 0:53:54 | 0:54:00 | |
It took us six months to persuade him to allow us to show it here. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
Partly because he said, | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
"Someone's going to call up and they'll need to know, | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
"what was the weather, March 2010?" | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
I said "No-one's going to call you up. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
"This is a great opportunity to communicate your life's work!" | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
There are very few contemporary artists | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
who would spend 15 years on one project. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
He didn't even make it to the opening of the exhibition | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
because he was afraid that he would miss a day of doing this. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:26 | |
I loved the word "outsider" at the beginning | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
because, of course, I felt it associated with me | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
and I can be weird, | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
and I like that weirdness, I like my differences. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
But the more I looked into it, | 0:55:12 | 0:55:13 | |
the more I thought, this just can't be correct. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
I realised that the mainstream museums were using it to segregate. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:20 | |
The other big thing for me is not to present it | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
as the work of a bunch of crazy people, I mean, if I'm really frank. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:27 | |
That's often the assumption. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
So the other key issue is to say, "Look, who's crazy? | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
"Who's disabled? Who's able?" Why do we think that | 0:55:34 | 0:55:38 | |
if someone has a mental health issue, it's just a cut-and-dried thing? | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
Everybody has a mental health issue, it's a question of degree. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
And once you start to understand that, I think you take a step back | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
into creativity and our reasons for making. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
Why do we create? | 0:55:56 | 0:55:57 | |
Picasso said that every child is an artist. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
The problem...is how to remain one, once we grow up. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
Welcome to Creative Growth Art Centre. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
Creative Growth Art Centre is a good place. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
Yeah, let's go do it! | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
San Francisco has always been a crucible for radical ideas. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
So it's no surprise that it's home to Creative Growth. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
Every day, more than a 100 people that society calls disabled | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
come here...to make art. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
The notion was by the founders originally, | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
Elias Katz and his wife Florence, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
that there's an innate creative impulse in all humans, | 0:57:19 | 0:57:23 | |
and given encouragement and materials, that will come out. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:27 | |
Dan Miller was the first Creative Growth artist | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
to have his work bought by New York's Museum of Modern Art. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
For me, when I watch Dan work, | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
you see a kind of anxiety and frustration. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:55 | |
Almost as if everything he needs to say is in his head | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
and he's just really struggling with getting it out. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
For most of us who are speech-enabled | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
we would talk it out, and Dan doesn't seem to be able to, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
so he needs to draw it out, | 0:58:06 | 0:58:08 | |
and really hope that someone will understand, | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
will get the translation, will get the urgency of his message. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:15 | |
I love the atmosphere of this place. | 0:59:07 | 0:59:09 | |
You can walk in off the street and just talk to the artists, | 0:59:09 | 0:59:12 | |
buy a piece of work. | 0:59:12 | 0:59:14 | |
Or a limited edition comic book. | 0:59:14 | 0:59:16 | |
Or even a T-shirt. | 0:59:16 | 0:59:17 | |
Now brown is the colour of chocolate Which we all know and love | 0:59:30 | 0:59:35 | |
Taste that chocolate and you cannot tell | 0:59:35 | 0:59:37 | |
If it's made from Hershey Ghirardelli, or Dove | 0:59:37 | 0:59:40 | |
For in that tasty chocolate delight | 0:59:40 | 0:59:44 | |
There is no black | 0:59:44 | 0:59:46 | |
There is no white. | 0:59:46 | 0:59:48 | |
All DJ Disco Duck - that's me. | 0:59:49 | 0:59:52 | |
The All-Star Chocolate Heroes. | 0:59:52 | 0:59:54 | |
You've created a whole new universe here. | 0:59:55 | 0:59:58 | |
-Oh, yes. -Where did the All Star Chocolate Heroes come from? | 0:59:58 | 1:00:02 | |
Well, it all just came from my head | 1:00:02 | 1:00:04 | |
when I decided to have some superheroes of my own. | 1:00:04 | 1:00:09 | |
The comic book right here is going to help me | 1:00:09 | 1:00:12 | |
start my own business in entertainment. | 1:00:12 | 1:00:14 | |
And a lot of people, | 1:00:14 | 1:00:16 | |
whether they're my family or friends, | 1:00:16 | 1:00:19 | |
are real proud of me of working real hard on this one. | 1:00:19 | 1:00:23 | |
"Time to get busy up in here." | 1:00:23 | 1:00:25 | |
-"This is their crib." Their crib is where they live, I take it? -Yeah. | 1:00:25 | 1:00:28 | |
Green Nose - he's a type of arch-enemy | 1:00:28 | 1:00:32 | |
who hates everything to do with chocolate. | 1:00:32 | 1:00:35 | |
He doesn't even like to drink hot chocolate | 1:00:35 | 1:00:39 | |
because he thinks that chocolate is no fun, but that's not really true - | 1:00:39 | 1:00:44 | |
chocolate can be fun. | 1:00:44 | 1:00:46 | |
"Now that you've captured Green Nose, | 1:00:46 | 1:00:48 | |
"let's head down to Mel's for a chocolate shake." | 1:00:48 | 1:00:51 | |
Yes. That was their reward for capturing Green Nose. | 1:00:51 | 1:00:55 | |
Oh, here they are having their chocolate shake. | 1:00:55 | 1:00:57 | |
I dedicate this one to all the ladies who have pretty feet, | 1:00:57 | 1:01:01 | |
and for many guys who appreciate women's pretty feet. | 1:01:01 | 1:01:06 | |
They can express how they feel, like I have. | 1:01:08 | 1:01:11 | |
They can say nice things about a woman's pretty feet | 1:01:11 | 1:01:14 | |
in a sweet, positive, civilised manner, like I have. | 1:01:14 | 1:01:17 | |
You can't quite see their feet. | 1:01:17 | 1:01:20 | |
Well, I can. Because I have good vision. | 1:01:20 | 1:01:23 | |
Here's where the feet are at. | 1:01:25 | 1:01:26 | |
Right now, I'm dealing with hair loss, | 1:01:26 | 1:01:28 | |
but I'll have a plan to get my hair back. | 1:01:28 | 1:01:31 | |
-You've got a plan, eh? -Mm-hm. | 1:01:31 | 1:01:33 | |
-Let me know about it. -Oh, yes. | 1:01:33 | 1:01:35 | |
Once upon a time, in a rough part of San Francisco, | 1:01:42 | 1:01:47 | |
there lived a boy called William. | 1:01:47 | 1:01:49 | |
He was different to the other kids... | 1:01:51 | 1:01:53 | |
..and they would tease him at school. | 1:01:54 | 1:01:57 | |
He would walk home | 1:01:58 | 1:01:59 | |
and try to ignore the drunk men shouting in his street. | 1:01:59 | 1:02:03 | |
Sometimes he heard gunshots outside his window. | 1:02:06 | 1:02:09 | |
He wished they would go away. | 1:02:11 | 1:02:13 | |
Then, one day, he came here and began to draw. | 1:02:17 | 1:02:22 | |
He drew the people who had been shot, back to life. | 1:02:25 | 1:02:28 | |
He drew his city, but the way he wanted it to be. | 1:02:31 | 1:02:35 | |
And he drew beautiful and strong women he'd never met. | 1:02:38 | 1:02:42 | |
Yeah, look what I drew right here. | 1:02:47 | 1:02:50 | |
See what I drew here, it's a Lone Language, it's a Queen Sheba. | 1:02:50 | 1:02:54 | |
See, she's a peacemaker. | 1:02:56 | 1:02:57 | |
Lone Language the peacemaker. | 1:02:57 | 1:03:00 | |
And she has beautiful eyes. | 1:03:00 | 1:03:02 | |
# Hey, I just got back from another world | 1:03:05 | 1:03:08 | |
# It was way, way past on the other side | 1:03:08 | 1:03:12 | |
# It was across the mountain and through the sea | 1:03:12 | 1:03:16 | |
# Past the moon, beyond all things that we've dreamed about | 1:03:16 | 1:03:20 | |
# You've never in your life seen such colours | 1:03:22 | 1:03:27 | |
# That glows like a twinkle in an eye... # | 1:03:27 | 1:03:31 | |
WHISTLING | 1:03:31 | 1:03:34 | |
The Museum of Modern Art in New York | 1:03:40 | 1:03:43 | |
now has four of William Scott's paintings. | 1:03:43 | 1:03:46 | |
He's also fond of making Halloween masks. | 1:03:46 | 1:03:49 | |
And yes, that was him in Selfridge's window. | 1:03:49 | 1:03:53 | |
William's been doing a series of paintings very recently | 1:03:54 | 1:03:57 | |
about reinventing his life in the '70s. | 1:03:57 | 1:04:01 | |
So William paints himself as either a successful basketball player, | 1:04:01 | 1:04:05 | |
or popular at the prom, | 1:04:05 | 1:04:06 | |
or with a happy, healthy family. | 1:04:06 | 1:04:09 | |
And what he's doing is, he's going back | 1:04:09 | 1:04:11 | |
to those transformative years to make them better. | 1:04:11 | 1:04:14 | |
To make his life today better. | 1:04:14 | 1:04:16 | |
To make the disability go away. | 1:04:16 | 1:04:18 | |
To make an injury to his body that he had then disappear. | 1:04:18 | 1:04:21 | |
That's me right here. That's me. | 1:04:23 | 1:04:26 | |
It was on the beach at Santa Cruz beach boardwalk | 1:04:26 | 1:04:30 | |
in another life of 1974. | 1:04:30 | 1:04:32 | |
Another life. | 1:04:32 | 1:04:34 | |
Yeah. I'm going to be like that and wear an afro | 1:04:35 | 1:04:38 | |
and be like, I want to be like that, wearing an afro. | 1:04:38 | 1:04:41 | |
With my...with my new body. | 1:04:43 | 1:04:45 | |
With my new body. | 1:04:46 | 1:04:48 | |
Er...a perf...a perfect body. | 1:04:48 | 1:04:51 | |
-That's Michael Jackson. -Yeah. | 1:04:53 | 1:04:56 | |
So you're on the front cover of Modern Painters, William? | 1:04:56 | 1:04:59 | |
Yeah, that's right. | 1:04:59 | 1:05:00 | |
That's a great picture. | 1:05:03 | 1:05:05 | |
That's Christina? | 1:05:07 | 1:05:09 | |
An invention, yeah. | 1:05:09 | 1:05:10 | |
"Dear Christina Hernandez. I have been single for a long time. | 1:05:10 | 1:05:15 | |
"I am tired being, it bothers me too much. | 1:05:15 | 1:05:18 | |
"I wanted a wife real bad. | 1:05:18 | 1:05:21 | |
"I've never had any kids. | 1:05:21 | 1:05:22 | |
"I wanted to become a father. For good. | 1:05:22 | 1:05:25 | |
"Christina, I wanted you to be | 1:05:25 | 1:05:27 | |
"putting me into friendship and social skills." | 1:05:27 | 1:05:29 | |
-Yeah. -Have you developed your friendship and social skills? | 1:05:29 | 1:05:33 | |
-Nah. -You're pretty lovable, William, I think. -Yeah, uh-huh. | 1:05:33 | 1:05:37 | |
There's something very moving and powerful about this place. | 1:05:42 | 1:05:46 | |
It feels like an environment where anything is possible. | 1:05:47 | 1:05:51 | |
And there is room for wit, for charm, | 1:05:51 | 1:05:54 | |
and for mystery and magic. | 1:05:54 | 1:05:56 | |
Art is about looking at the world in different ways. | 1:06:08 | 1:06:11 | |
It lets us see things through the eyes of its maker. | 1:06:14 | 1:06:16 | |
And in doing so, it refreshes our own view of the world. | 1:06:18 | 1:06:22 | |
It's a tonic for the imagination. | 1:06:23 | 1:06:25 | |
Every one of these artists | 1:06:28 | 1:06:29 | |
has created and inhabits their own world | 1:06:29 | 1:06:32 | |
with such conviction that it becomes recognisable to us. | 1:06:32 | 1:06:36 | |
And the best part of all... | 1:06:38 | 1:06:41 | |
is that we are invited to step inside. | 1:06:41 | 1:06:44 | |
-OK? -Yeah. | 1:06:45 | 1:06:47 | |
# Welcome to my world | 1:07:12 | 1:07:15 | |
# Won't you come on in? | 1:07:17 | 1:07:21 | |
# Miracles, I guess | 1:07:24 | 1:07:27 | |
# Still happen now and then | 1:07:29 | 1:07:32 | |
# Step into my heart | 1:07:35 | 1:07:39 | |
# Leave your cares behind | 1:07:42 | 1:07:45 | |
# Welcome to my world | 1:07:48 | 1:07:50 | |
# Built with you in mind | 1:07:53 | 1:07:57 | |
# Waiting just for you | 1:08:11 | 1:08:14 | |
# Welcome to my world. # | 1:08:16 | 1:08:24 | |
OK, that's it, that's it, Jack, it's a wrap. | 1:08:27 | 1:08:31 | |
What are we doing here? | 1:08:31 | 1:08:33 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 1:08:33 | 1:08:36 |