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I'm on a wonderful Welsh adventure, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
as I discover more about four outstanding artists | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
influenced by this great land. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
During the series, I'll be creating paintings inspired by their work. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:15 | |
I'm going to have to paint in ways I've never done before. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
And at the end of it, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
I'll probably turn to you and I'll say, | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
"Can you tell what it is yet?" | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
We're in the South Wales Valleys, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
a landscape once dominated by King Coal. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
But most of the physical evidence of the collieries, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
like the old pitheads, has long gone. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
But for a Polish artist called Josef Herman, | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
it was the miners themselves that were the inspiration. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:09 | |
Josef Herman's paintings of Welsh miners | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
have become some of the 20th century's | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
most enduring images of working men. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
All his subjects of colliers | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
were taken from one former pit town, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
Ystradgynlais in the Swansea Valley. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
Herman was one of the first artists ever | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
to put the Welsh working classes on a pedestal | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
and I just love these paintings. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
This banner - rough translation, Peace And Strength In Unity - | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
is a reminder of the area's mining past. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
Josef Herman's art portrayed the miner as a hero. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
For him, it was all about the strength and the power | 0:01:56 | 0:02:02 | |
of the working man. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
Josef Herman once said, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
"In labour, my spirit finds itself." | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
You can see there was a strong moral core to his art | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
and I've got to paint a miner in his style later. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
Sure, I can copy Herman's technique, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
but if I've got any chance of painting in his spirit, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
I've got to truly understand the man. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
I can't pretend to be a political artist - far from it. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
So this is going to be a challenging one. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
Josef Herman and his first wife Catriona | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
arrived here in Ystradgynlais in 1944 for a short visit. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:53 | |
What the Polish immigrant witnessed in this town | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
not only changed his art forever, but it changed his life, too. | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
He and Catriona briefly stayed with locals | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
before moving into the Pen-y-Bont Inn, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
where Josef set up his studio. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
A coal field | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
makes an odd landscape. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
And the mining village | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
leaves little to the imagination. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:23 | |
But I found my kind of interest here. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
On the face of it, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
it's hard to explain why a foreign artist | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
would settle in such a small industrial town in South Wales. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
But he was a left-wing intellectual | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
and this was an era when the working class | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
were all concerned about self-betterment | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
and politics was discussed on every street corner. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:57 | |
That area over there was known as Red Square for that very reason. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
Josef decided to commit himself to Ystradgynlais | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
when he bought an old soft drink factory | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
and had it converted into a house and a studio. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
And I can just picture him getting up, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
as he did every morning at four o'clock, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
to go up there and paint while the miners walked past | 0:04:34 | 0:04:39 | |
on their way to their job in the pit. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
'I've asked Josef's son David to meet me at his dad's old studio. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
Here we are. The old pop factory. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
'This is actually the first time he's ever been here | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
'because David was born after Herman left the Valleys behind.' | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
-ROLF LAUGHS -David. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
-How very nice to meet you. -Rolf Harris. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
Sorry you had to come through the rain. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
-It wouldn't be South Wales without it. -Your dad's old studio, this was. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
It is absolutely amazing. My goodness. Just... Yes, amazing. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
What is it like to see your dad's work like this? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
Of course, I grew up surrounded by these. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
You know, these are like old friends, really, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
and you have a very strange relationship | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
growing up with pictures, you know. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
What do you know about your father's early life in Warsaw? | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
Terrible times. Terrible times. He was born in 1911. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
He grew up in a very poor home, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:43 | |
his father was an illiterate cobbler, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
and it was a time... | 0:05:47 | 0:05:48 | |
By the 1930s, anti-Semitism was getting a lot worse in Poland. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
It wasn't just something that started with the Nazis in Germany, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
there was also anti-Semitism in Poland. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
At a certain point in the late '30s, my father felt it was really... | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
He was on the left, he was a Socialist, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
and he really thought it was time to get out. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
And he describes the scene | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
when he said goodbye to his parents at the railway station, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
and his mother said to him, "Never come back. Never. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
"Never, never." | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
And he was then incredibly lucky. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
He went to France - first to Belgium and then to France - to study art, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
and as the Germans invaded Belgium he went to France. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
As the Germans came to France, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
he managed to get a lift from an American woman called June Peaches July, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
who gave him a lift down to Bordeaux | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
and he got on one of the last boats coming out of occupied France | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
and came to Britain, and he came to Glasgow. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
Then in 1942, he heard from the Red Cross | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
that his whole family had been killed by the Nazis, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
all gassed by the Nazis. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
Not just his family, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
but everyone he knew, really, in Warsaw who hadn't already got out. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
I wasn't there. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Chance, luck. Nothing else. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
The others didn't deserve their death. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
I didn't deserve remaining alive. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
Finish. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
And he came to South Wales, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
not really knowing what he would find at all, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
and he came to this village. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
And then, on this bridge, in this village, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
in sunset with their heads lit like halos - | 0:07:25 | 0:07:31 | |
"Like the old saints," he said - | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
he saw these miners walking across the bridge. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
And something just clicked at that moment, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
and there's something about these sort of monumental shapes, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
these figures, set against sunset, coming back from work. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:50 | |
It was in South Wales in this small mining village in the 1940s and '50s | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
that he found his subject as an artist, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
he found his voice as an artist, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
he found the kinds of colours that mattered to him as an artist. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
So this time here, just mattered to him more than anything else. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
'Meeting Herman's son David' | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
will really help me connect with his father, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
as I appreciate his style of painting | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
was so affected by his past and by his politics. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
Back in Herman's day, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
there were thousands of coal miners in South Wales. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
But if my painting has any chance of doing him justice, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
I need to find a working collier. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
And that's a pretty formidable task in this day and age. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
# Working in a coal mine | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
# Going down, down, down | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
# Working in a coal mine | 0:08:47 | 0:08:48 | |
# Whoop! About to slip down | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
# Working in a coal mine | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
# Going down, down, down | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
# Working in a coal mine | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
# Whoop! About to slip down | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
# Five o'clock in the morning... # | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
The Aberpergwm mine is a working pit just a few miles from Ystradgynlais. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
It was originally closed by the National Coal Board in 1985, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
following the miners' strike. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
'It's now privately owned, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
'and employs over 200 colliers to mine coal to power local industry.' | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
Good luck down there, son. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:19 | |
I don't want any trouble out of you! | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
-Rolf, where's the wobble board? -Just there! | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
Give us a bit of a... | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
MIMICS ROLF'S MOUTH MUSIC | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
-HE LAUGHS -What? | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
I can't do it! Brilliant. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
It's based on a dog panting. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
HE PANTS | 0:09:35 | 0:09:36 | |
And then just drop the bass notes in. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
THEY PANT | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
As I meet the boys from the drift mine, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
I suddenly understand why Josef Herman so admired the miner. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
Josef Herman would've loved to have sketched these miners. G'day! | 0:09:54 | 0:10:00 | |
He would've loved to have seen a pit once again thriving | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
in the Welsh Valleys that he loved. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
'I've also spotted my subject, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
'a young apprentice called Carwyn Donovan, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
'who comes from four generations of miners.' | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
..Carwyn is mechanical. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
We're doing a drawing of you some time. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
I think so! | 0:10:21 | 0:10:22 | |
-Are you all right? -I'm good, yeah. Fit and well. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
You'll gave to wash your hands now. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
And today, I'm going to paint Carwyn at the nearby Tower Colliery, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
which finally closed down three years ago. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
-Hey! -How are you today? | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
Nice to see you again! | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
Even blacker than you were yesterday! | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
Very good. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
Although Herman loved sketching, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
his drawings bore little resemblance to his finished paintings. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
This is why I make only notes from nature, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
and draw and paint from memory. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
The subject is then a lost world that I recover. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
But it was in his imagination that they really took form. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
Body shapes and features were exaggerated. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
Building on a rich palette, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:13 | |
he'd play with light and with perspective. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
Herman used a combination of charcoal, Indian ink, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
watercolours and oils. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
Although Josef produced thousands of drawings, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
he only did a small number of paintings each year. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
It took Herman a good few days to do one painting. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
Producing a painting is a matter of long hours of labouring, labouring, labouring | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
until it comes a moment of complete elevation, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
or a revelation even to yourself that you actually did it. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
It is as though you would suddenly be awakened from a pleasant dream. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
'But I want to try and do all this in one sitting.' | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
-Are you happy with that position, Carwyn? -Yeah. It's no problem, yeah. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
Cos it gives me a chance to show the body as well as just the face. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
So I've just got to work out what the body's going to look like. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
It's a really strong shape, that, you know... | 0:12:10 | 0:12:15 | |
It reminds me of Herman's images of the miners - | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
the gutsy, strong lines. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
You're actually from Ystradgynlais, are you? | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
-That's right, yeah. -Do you know a lot about Josef Herman? | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
-Only from what my grandfather used to talk about him. -Yeah? | 0:12:28 | 0:12:34 | |
He used to mention him, you know. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
It was so unusual to have... | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
Here was somebody... | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
An outsider, who was from Poland, coming to Ystradgynlais, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
so that made him different from one point of view. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
And then the second part that was unusual | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
was that he wanted to paint miners. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
He saw them as heroic figures? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
Well, obviously, you know. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
But as I say, it was just a way of life to us | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
and to everyone from Ystradgynlais. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
Perhaps it took an outsider to realise it. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
My grandfather's generation | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
would've been used to seeing portraits of the King and the Queen and army generals, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
-none of which meant much to us working class, you know? -Yeah. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
-What do you think of Herman's art? -Fascinating, really. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:31 | |
As I say, us younger generations | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
always look to our fathers and grandfathers | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
as the heroes that Herman portrayed them as, you know. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
Yep. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:44 | |
'We'll get back to the portrait later. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
'Herman often painted men down in the mine. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
'But like me, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:52 | |
'he also liked to sketch people when they were off-guard, in the street. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
'In Ystradgynlais, he became so well-known | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
'that locals nicknamed him Jo Bach, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
'that's Welsh for "Little Jo". | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
'I don't know what he would've made of the didgeridoo, though!' | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
Very good. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
ROLF PLAYS DIDGERIDOO | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
Very spiritual, that is. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
-Yeah. -And again, Rolf. And again! | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
-And again?! -Again! | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
MOBILE RINGS | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
I've been a fan of yours for so long. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
Do you know, you look a lot younger than I thought? | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
-IN WELSH ACCENT: -I was only a child then myself, you see? | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
-Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:49 | |
Enough fun for now. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
I'm off to see those who had a big impact on Herman's life here. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
That'll do it, whoa, stop. Thank you. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
'I'm meeting some of Joe's old pals at one of his favourite haunts, the Miners' Welfare Hall. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:10 | |
'It's now home to the Josef Herman Foundation. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
'It was built on penny-a-week donations from colliers, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
'and Joe used to hold weekly art classes here.' | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
-From Joe Bach. -From Joe Bach. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:21 | |
'Carole Hopkin and Betty Rae Watkins were two of his closest friends.' | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
He wanted to stay in a mining village, so my aunt and uncle, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:35 | |
Dai and Peggy, invited him to stay | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
in Ystradgynlais, in their cottage, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
two up, two down, no bathroom. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
As soon as he arrived in Ystradgynlais, he knew this was the place he wanted to be. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
What was his impact on the village? | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
People like Joe don't come around often. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
To me, he was the first man I really fell in love with. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
It's the first time I've admitted this. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
Every Thursday night, in my grandparents' house, the literati of the valley would meet. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:07 | |
Writers, artists, politicians. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
The voices would rise and we'd listen and we thought, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:14 | |
"Something important is happening, something very exciting is happening." | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
They'd get very volatile, sometimes, because they were all strongly political and socialist people. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
-Left wing? -Very left wing. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
He had this great humanity | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
that came out from him. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:29 | |
He always had time for people. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
He was here for 11 years, but when he left, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
I gather he never forgot this place. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
No, never. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
When he died, his widow, Nini, sent his ashes to be buried, scattered in the studio. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:47 | |
They were scattered under the fig tree, so that Joe came home. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
In his memorial service, he'd asked that the Welsh national anthem be sung. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:59 | |
That was very moving, that he'd given instructions to the very end, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:05 | |
to mention Wales and to honour Wales. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
Joe Herman left Ystradgynlais in 1955, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
because the damp weather was affecting his health. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
But the community was already changing, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
and the pit he'd known so well on the outskirts of town shut down. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:25 | |
Then, 30 years later, came the miners' strike of the 1980s, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
followed by the closure of pit after pit. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
South Wales' mining communities were devastated. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
Josef Herman didn't die until 2000, so I'm keen to know | 0:17:37 | 0:17:42 | |
from his son, David, what his father thought about the whole thing. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:47 | |
What would your dad have thought about the decline of coal mining in Wales? | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
He'd have been so sad to have seen what happened, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:58 | |
both to the miners individually that he knew, to the community, to the whole industry around the country. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:05 | |
He still lived to see the coal miners strike in the 1980s and that affected him profoundly. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:13 | |
It was because it was a way of life. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
When I say that there was a tradition which he felt he belonged to, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
what he called his family tree of artists who had also painted workers, that tradition, too, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:25 | |
was coming to an end. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:26 | |
I think he had that sense, late in his life, that this really was a moment of change, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:32 | |
something coming to an end which had mattered a great deal to him. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
By the early 1990s, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
the landscape of the South Wales Valleys had changed dramatically from Herman's day. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:46 | |
At one time, there were 600 coal mines in Wales. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
Then, in 2008, this mine, Tower Colliery in Hirwaun, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:55 | |
was the last deep mine in Wales to close. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
It brought to an end over a century of coal-mining history in this part of the world. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:06 | |
I think it's fitting that I'm painting Carwyn | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
at the Tower Colliery, as a tribute to all Welsh miners through history. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
And you know, I believe it's a venue that Herman would have approved of. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:20 | |
What's the community like now in Ystradgynlais, now that the mine there | 0:19:20 | 0:19:26 | |
has closed down? | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
Well, Ystradgynlais hasn't been as hardly hit | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
as other Valleys communities, but it definitely had an effect, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:37 | |
the pit closure programme decimated most communities. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:43 | |
There was that old saying, you close a pit, you close a community. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
After British Coal closed most of the collieries in South Wales they came to close this colliery, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:55 | |
they said the place was geologically unviable. | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
The men working here knew that wasn't true, so they got | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
all their redundancy money together, pooled it together | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
and bought the colliery between themselves. They ran it at a profit for 13 years. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:16 | |
It closed about two or three years ago, I think it was. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
If they could work this at a profit | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
for another 13 years, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
you wonder how many of the other mines that were closed down would still have been able to work. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:33 | |
That's it, exactly. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
What does it mean to you to be a miner? | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
It's definitely more than just a job. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
It's everything. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
I couldn't imagine doing anything else. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
Really? | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
That's what I always wanted to do and I'm glad I've had the opportunity to do it. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
I think that's about it. What do you think? | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
Well... | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
It's amazing. Any chance of getting a print? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
-Of this? No problem, we'll do that straight away. -Thank you very much. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:11 | |
Excellent, thank you. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
'But I'm wondering whether my painting is all wrong. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
'I'm really worried that it's not Herman-esque enough. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
'I think I need to visit the Glynn Vivian Gallery in Swansea | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
'to see Herman's most iconic painting of Welsh miners up close. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
'Hopefully that will tell me whether I've got my painting right, or not. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
'Herman painted this mural for the 1951 Festival of Britain. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
'It shows miners resting after a long shift.' | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
Seeing this mural up close, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
I realise that | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
my painting of Carwyn is a bit too... | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
I can't think of any word to call it other than a bit too pretty-pretty. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
It's a bit too realistic, it's not symbolic enough. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
I think I'd like to try and do something | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
like another painting of Carwyn, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
where I try and get that primitive, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
age-old feeling, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
like the Easter Island statues, with him more sort of slab-like, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:41 | |
and without losing his identity, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
to try and get that feeling of the strength of these massive figures. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:50 | |
So, I'm going back to the drawing board and I'm starting all over, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
but I don't feel too bad about redoing my painting from scratch. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
Even the great man himself struggled to find perfection. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
Probably, I should say, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
every second picture is destroyed. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
That's to say that the dissatisfaction | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
is so great, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
that you just want to... | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
This whole image, wipe out from the existence of the world. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
It has never been, and start again. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
Well, I'm back in my own studio now. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
I've got a big blow-up photograph of one of the characters from the Josef Herman mural. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:43 | |
I've also got... | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
the original painting that I did of Carwyn. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
To me, that looks nothing like the heroic statuesque figures that Herman created. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:56 | |
I've put some background on the canvas and I'm going to get into it and start, see how we go. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
Try and get this pudgy arm going down here. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
Big, sausage-shaped fingers going down there. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
That's already looking more like a Herman, I think. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
Herman chose to | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
really forget about their features, not make a big thing of them, because he wanted them to be | 0:24:16 | 0:24:24 | |
like heroic sculptural shapes, he didn't want to have individual people recognised, I think. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:31 | |
Yeah, that's good. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
I could do a bit more white on the top of that, I think. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
Yeah, can't find an orange at the moment, so I'll have to make one up. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
And a bit of light coming on that cheek there, like that. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
And sort of a dimmer light coming down there. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
I'm liking this very much. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
Very much enjoying it. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
Just look straight at me for a while. That's good. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
And the light coming on this side of the face... | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
You haven't had those teeth whitened, have you? | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
Yes, that's good. And a great big boot there, the huge miner's | 0:25:19 | 0:25:26 | |
reinforced solid boot. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
They've got metal toecaps, so if anything falls on them, it won't destroy their toes and their feet. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
He had a pair of gloves, I seem to remember, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
slung on his belt. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
What I'm going to try to do now | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
is try to establish some of these colours, because they had a very bright orange top, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:50 | |
Carwyn's crew and his team of miners that were working with him. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
That's the way | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
Carwyn's helmet looked when I saw him. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
But then I've got to go back to the Josef Herman feel and get | 0:26:00 | 0:26:05 | |
some lighter colour on here. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
Purple matter, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
and we'll do... | 0:26:10 | 0:26:11 | |
And those big sausages of fingers. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
Oh, yes. Although it looks nothing like | 0:26:25 | 0:26:31 | |
Carwyn, it looks as if it's catching the light from something there. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
Those eyes are there in the darkness, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
and I'll imagine all that black coal dust on his face. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
I must say, it really helped me, going to the Glynn Vivian Gallery and seeing that big mural | 0:26:45 | 0:26:53 | |
of Josef Herman's that he'd done for... | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
the 1951 exhibition. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:02 | |
It was just wonderful, because I'd lost my way, I think, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
trying to recreate a painting in his style. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:12 | |
I was all over the place. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
If you're painting and it's not working for you... | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
Everybody struggles at some time, to get the thing to work the way they want it to. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
I think you've just got to persevere with it. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
Yeah, I want it to stay a bit | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
dingy there. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
I'm liking that. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
Yeah, rather like that. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
That should be in shadow from the hand like that, so you get that shadow coming round. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:49 | |
Yes, yes, yes. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
Josef Herman left the Valleys | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
and moved away, but for the rest of his life, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
his heart was still in Wales, and he drew on his memories to paint miners | 0:28:03 | 0:28:09 | |
and to recreate the mining scene that he'd known so well. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:15 | |
He thought that miners were real heroes, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
and having met Carwyn and his mates... I couldn't agree with him more. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
We all need heroes in our lives. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
OK, let's sign this. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
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