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In the 18th century, if you wanted something rude, you went to the print shop to see something racy. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
Phwoar! | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
In Victorian times, for a bawdy night out, you would go to rude music hall. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:20 | |
# I'm here, by the gate, alone... # | 0:00:20 | 0:00:25 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
But in the second half of the 20th century, enjoying rudeness became so much easier. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:33 | |
Rude was now in your front room. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
Switch on the television any night of the week, and there it was. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
Bloody blond ponce! Shut up! | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
Watching together, laughing together, we now lived in a mass democracy of rude. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:54 | |
# Staring at the rude boys... # | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
But, in a changing Britain, rude began to be seen as offensive in new ways. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
Racist, sexist, you name it. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
Before we went in, he used to say, here's that Paki with them two arseholes. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
And, after centuries of mischief making, rude was now provoking outrage, and not just among prudes. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:14 | |
Sacked for what it called the "unacceptable and offensive messages left on his answerphone." | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
# Staring at the rude boys... # | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
Liberals, once cheerleaders for rudeness, began to believe | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
-that all this had gone too far, even for them. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
I'm the fucking... Now fuck the fuck off. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
-# Rule Britannia... # -So, just how far should you go in the mass democracy of rude? | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
Rule Britannia! | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
You've never had it so rude. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
# Britain never never never shall be saved. # | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
It was in 1963 that Modern Rude, like sex, began. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:58 | |
Cartoonist Gerald Scarfe drew Prime Minister Harold Macmillan starkers. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
I drew Macmillan naked, and that was the thing I think | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
that shocked everybody at that time. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
Because, up until then, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:09 | |
I have since read, no-one had been drawing politicians naked | 0:02:09 | 0:02:15 | |
since the 18th century. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
I drew Macmillan's breasts sticking out and sort of vulgarly rude. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:25 | |
I made them as fleshy and round as possible as one can with a line drawing. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
This image by Scarfe became a devastating piece of satire. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
The inspiration? | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
Macmillan's Defence Minister, John Profumo, had a relationship with call girl Christine Keeler, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:44 | |
then covered the whole thing up. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
Gave him a nice big bum too. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
A provocative image of Keeler was taken by photographer Lewis Morley. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
Gerald Scarfe took Morley's image and, in a rude twist, substituted the Prime Minister for Keeler. | 0:02:52 | 0:03:00 | |
LIPS SMACK TOGETHER IN A KISS | 0:03:02 | 0:03:03 | |
This cartoon appeared in a new satirical magazine called Private Eye. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
Private Eye was fantastic, the amount of freedom they gave me. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
They actually encouraged me to go for it, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
and I found myself drawing nipples and pubic hair, and I found an almost schoolboy relish | 0:03:18 | 0:03:26 | |
in saying things or drawing things that I shouldn't really. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
Yes, I definitely set out to be rude. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
I set out to try and shock. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
This was the beginning of the end for a deference that had protected politicians for years. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:43 | |
From now on, Scarfe and others could revel in a tradition of | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
rude cartooning come back to life, and attacking hypocrisy. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:54 | |
I think it is healthy in society to have somebody prick the bubble of | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
pomposity that can exist around politicians, and society in general. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
It's just healthy to have someone to put the other point of view. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
Caught by Lewis Morley in exactly the same | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
iconic pose as Christine Keeler, was '60s playwright Joe Orton. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
His plays were now scandalising London's West End. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
A woman once threw herself at me, I needn't tell you this is in confidence. She was stark naked. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
She wished me to misbehave myself. And do you know? | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
All I was conscious of was that she had a malformed navel. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
I think that, in terms of the theatre, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
Orton is an exemplary figure, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
a master of rudery. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
Orton said he wanted to see plays with a lot more fucking. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
Orton's short life was one of rude theatrical adventure and gay abandon. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:55 | |
Joe Orton was the spearhead of the idea that being gay is fun. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:03 | |
It's not a criminal thing, it's not a disease, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
it's not a psychopathology. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
It's just fun. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
It's a lot of shagging, you know. Excellent. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
Endless orgasms, that's the idea, the Joe Orton idea of homosexuality. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:19 | |
This was not the general view of the British public at the time! | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
The way Orton lived his life translated into the writing of bawdy, lewd and satirical plays. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:31 | |
Plays like Entertaining Mr Sloane, and Loot, with their assault on taboos of sex, class and death, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:38 | |
were a challenge to theatre audiences. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
They pushed the boundaries of what could be said and shown on the British stage. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
-What did he do? -He asked me to lie on that couch. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
Did he at any time attempt to interfere with you? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
You'll be disappointed, Sergeant, if you imagine that young man has lost his virginity. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
I hope he'll be considerably more experienced before he loses that, sir. | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
It's the fact that it is smut on stilts that is so interesting. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
It's that it's a kind of, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
it's very cocky and | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
show-offy use of language, that | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
seems to somehow make it even more offensive, you know. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Because it's like jewels in shit, is really what it is. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
Orton's last notorious piece of rude theatre was What The Butler Saw. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:31 | |
SHE CRIES OUT IN PAIN | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
Oh, my darling! | 0:06:34 | 0:06:35 | |
This is the way to sexual adjustment in marriage. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
On its opening night, there were shouts of "filth" | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
and "rubbish" from the stalls. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
SHE PANTS AND MOANS | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
-And it's got rape. -Let me cure your neurosis. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
It's the only thing I want out of life. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
There's cross-dressing, of course. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:54 | |
Are you Geraldine Bartley? | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
Yes. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
It has Sir Winston's member. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
RASPBERRY IS BLOWN | 0:07:02 | 0:07:03 | |
SHOCKED GASP | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
One young theatre goer was present when the member of Britain's | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
war-time leader was used for dramatic effect. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
I can remember and audible frisson of horror in the audience, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:20 | |
that Churchill's penis was being bandied about as | 0:07:20 | 0:07:26 | |
a comic device. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:27 | |
The great man can once again take up his place in the high street, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
as the example to us of the spirit that won the Battle of Britain. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
THEY GASP | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
It might just be permissible for rude to tread the boards. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
But, to the dismay of Middle England, it was starting to enter the front rooms of Britain. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
Now there was filth on the airwaves. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
And radio was at its rudest in Round The Horne. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
-RADIO: -Round The Horne! -Turned to water when she sung that song. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
They did. He's sensitive. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
Touched. He gets touched, he gets easily touched. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
And moved. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
Touched and moved. Every time he goes to the theatre, he wilfully suspends his disbelief. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
The straight man of Round The Horne was Kenneth Horne. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
The camp energy and wit came from actor Kenneth Williams | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
who, with Hugh Paddick played Julian and Sandy. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
I particularly was drawn to Julian and Sandy because, I simply don't know | 0:08:36 | 0:08:43 | |
how that really happened now. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
Who is that lurking behind that potted palm? | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
Oh hello, I'm Julian and this is my friend Sandy. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
A gay couple, absolutely nakedly, openly gay couple, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
that this dear old Kenneth Horne, who was so proper. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
He was like the man from the Prudential, always knocking on doors saying, "Hello there." | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
You never knew why he was going to see Julian and Sandy. He just did. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:10 | |
AS KENNETH WILLIAMS: Ooh, hello Mr Horne. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
Ooh, hello Mr Horne. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
What brings you trolling in here? | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
Well, I'd like to invest in your enterprise. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
Ooh, ain't he bold! | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
Round The Horne was listened to by millions, Sunday lunchtime, on the BBC's Light Programme. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:31 | |
For the family of comedy producer-to-be John Lloyd, the show was a must-hear experience. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:41 | |
-RADIO: -..transport it to another place. -That's after you've been touched and moved? | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:09:43 | 0:09:44 | |
You'd all be sitting down for Sunday lunch. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
And my dad was a naval officer. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
My mum would cook Sunday lunch. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
And we'd have Round The Horne on, and everybody would laugh. It was filthy. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
-RADIO: -Gratuitous sex. And gratuitous violence. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
And filth. And swearing. And drinking. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
And carrying on, and being arrested. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
Because it was family listening, from the first series in 1965, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
Round The Horne made BBC management nervous. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
8th April 1965. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:20 | |
Assistant Director of Sound Broadcasting to HLES. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:26 | |
"Quite a few reasonable people inside the BBC, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
"as well as outside, including myself on one or two occasions, have thought | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
"that there was a tendency for this otherwise excellent show to get a bit dirty. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:39 | |
"As it has always been intended for family listening, I think we should err on the side of strictness. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:45 | |
"Would you keep a personal eye on it, please?" | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
Round The Horne used the gay slang known as Polari to deliver | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
a humour of double entendre and lewd innuendo inherited from music hall. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
Mrs Olga Cremo. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
Lovely. But it never worked out, did it? | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
Neither did Captain Brassbound's conversion. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:08 | |
The use of Polari allowed Julian and Sandy to get away with being outrageously rude. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
-It waved, didn't it? -Yes, it did. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
One of the most extraordinary examples in Round The Horne, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
there is a sketch where Julian and Sandy are talking about | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
how talented they are playing different musical instruments. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
And one of them describes the other as being a "miracle of dexterity on the cottage upright" | 0:11:23 | 0:11:29 | |
which, of course, is a type of piano to most people listening. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
-Here, play him some of our numbers, Jules. -Shall I? | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
Jules, is marvellous, he's a miracle of dexterity at the cottage upright. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
But, to gay men listening at the time and to there clued-up friends, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
cottage upright means an erect penis in a public toilet where men met each other to have sex. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:50 | |
This is going out Sunday lunchtimes on the most popular radio network in the country. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
It's unthinkable that if people had got the full extent of the joke, it could have been broadcast. | 0:11:55 | 0:12:01 | |
# ...yes.... # | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
To ward off attacks from offended listeners, a comedy | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
like Round The Horne had an ally at the highest level of the BBC. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
The Director General of the time, Hugh Carleton Greene, defended rude programming. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
He was keen that the corporation should move with changing, liberalising times. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:27 | |
Auntie should be ruder. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
The Director General of the BBC at the time, Hugh Greene, was seen as | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
a figure that ahead of this liberalising, of this allowing of innuendo and filth and rudeness. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:40 | |
People like Mary Whitehouse and other moral campaigners at the time | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
were always targeting him as the person to blame. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
And, in some respects, whatever their intentions, they were correct. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
He was overseeing a period of loosening the shackles, of widening the remit of what | 0:12:50 | 0:12:57 | |
could be said on the BBC, of trying to make it slightly more contemporary and less stuffy. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
Yes, tell him what it was. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
Tell him, tell him what happened. Go on, tell him. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
-No. -Go on. Get it out in the open. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
No! | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
-Unburden yourself. -Look, look, as this is the last show, let's not have a "bona" contention. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:17 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
Also benefiting from the new permissiveness | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
was a younger generation intent on creating a counter-culture. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:40 | |
House journal of this underground movement | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
was Oz, which first surfaced during the summer of love in 1967. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
It was a hippy propaganda sheet. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
It contained everything from hard-left politics, to sex and drugs and rock'n'roll. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:59 | |
Oz, with the rest of the underground press had its own rude, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
that was hippy bawdy, and hippy lewd. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
Here was an attitude to sex and the body that hadn't been seen since the libertines of the 18th century. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:12 | |
Oz was a process of exploration, and an experiment to discover | 0:14:13 | 0:14:20 | |
how much fun you could have without either dying or being arrested. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
In 1970, co-editors Richard Neville, Jim Anderson and Felix Dennis | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
invited a group of teenagers to guest edit Oz. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
Amongst those selected to produce a Schoolkidz edition was 18-year-old | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
Charles Shaar Murray, introduced as a Jewish Pantheist. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
Ended up with a bunch of other people aged between 15 and 18, in this | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
very exotic, to me, basement, which smelled of pot, incense, vegetarian cookery, | 0:14:52 | 0:15:00 | |
and slightly stale laundry. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
which, to me, is always the iconic smell of Notting Hill Gate. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
The editor of underground magazine International Times was a witness to | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
what emerged from hippy Notting Hill Gate. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
It was a completely worked-out experiment to give a bunch of | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
young teen school kids | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
free run of a magazine. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
This wasn't the product of degenerate 25 to 30-year-olds. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:39 | |
It was a bunch of kids let loose, paste up and do their own magazine. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
And that's what they came up with. And... | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
Then all hell broke loose. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
Inside Skoolkidz Oz was a comic strip featuring the head of the much loved children's character Rupert | 0:15:52 | 0:15:58 | |
Bear superimposed on an X-rated cartoon by American Robert Crumb. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
Words and pictures were a rude provocation. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
"Rupert finds Gipsy Granny. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
"It looks just like a ball to me. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
"Open it and see." | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
The idea of suggesting that Rupert Bear, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:22 | |
offstage if you like, when he wasn't doing his gig for the Daily Express, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:29 | |
actually had | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
a libido, a sense of mischief and some | 0:16:31 | 0:16:38 | |
possibly unsavoury internal urges | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
was, I thought, hilarious. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
"Oh, good, that door is open wide, pants Rupert as he runs inside. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
"And then he slips, and down he slides to where dark water glints and glides." | 0:16:52 | 0:16:58 | |
WOMAN SCREAMS | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
The rest of Britain found these Schoolkidz antics a lot less hilarious. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:08 | |
And for some, all this hippy mischief-making was deeply shocking. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
A lot of people reacted painfully to it. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
My own parents' generation, for instance. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
They were just sort of shocked and sort of hurt. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
Was this why people died in the Second World War? | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
So these young ruffians could come and be rude about things that we value. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
In fact, not just that we value but that we feel sustain us. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
There was agitation that something must be done about Oz. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
And it was. The editors were charged with obscenity and put on trial at the Old Bailey, in June 1971. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:48 | |
Outside court, white pantheist Charles Shaar Murray supported the Oz three, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:56 | |
whilst inside the legal niceties got naughty. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:02 | |
The hallowed halls of the Old Bailey resounding to | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
a conversation between a lawyer | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
and a witness about what would be the appropriate size for the penis of a young bear cub. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:18 | |
Admittedly a young bear cub who wore a scarf and sweater. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
The whole episode was completely ludicrous. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
To the fury of their supporters the defendants were found guilty and sent down with harsh sentences. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:34 | |
In prison, the Oz editors had their hippy locks cut whilst waiting for what would be a successful appeal. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:42 | |
We weren't actually tied to the chair but if we hadn't had our hair cut | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
we would have been on bread and water for three days. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
As bad as prison food is, the prospect of bread and water for three days was not delightful. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
People were genuinely frightened by Oz. It did all sorts of things, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:58 | |
which were beyond the pale, which suggested they were out of control. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
Which is why, in fact, the whole kind of machinery | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
of repression came down on them so savagely in that trial. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:12 | |
On their release, the Oz editors affectionately devoted their next issue to the boys in blue. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:19 | |
The hippy rude of the Underground Press, rude cartoons, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
a rude theatre and rude radio - | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
they had all contributed to an emerging, modern kind of rudeness. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:41 | |
-Scene 36, take one. -But it was television that finally introduced a mass democracy of rude. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:49 | |
You, you bloody Scouse ponce! | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
By the early '70s, almost every household in Britain owned a set. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:59 | |
Here was a rudeness that was easily available in your front room | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
at the click of a switch. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
Telly rude we could all comfortably enjoy together, at exactly the same time, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
no matter who you were. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
..bolshie bastards like him! | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
In all the other art forms, you made a decision, you bought a ticket, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
you made a journey in most cases. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
Or you went and bought a book and brought it into your house | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
But this stuff, television could take you unawares. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
I'll never play this bloody game with you again! | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
And that's why it's been both dangerous and brave things have been able to be done. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:39 | |
That's the trouble with the bloody telly. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
Too many people getting too well bloody informed, if you ask me. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
Too much of that going on, that's what. Bloody BBC. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
It's also why there's been so much caution, because of that awareness | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
that people are not necessarily choosing what they're viewing. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
It was comedy like Till Death Us Do Part | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
that brought rude to peak-time television. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
Writer Johnny Speight benefited from the more open minded BBC. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
He could make the Garnetts gloriously rude about politicians. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:16 | |
In one episode, Alf's daughter has a rant about Tory premier Edward Heath and the 1972 miners' strike. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:24 | |
Everyone wants to pay the miners but old fatso won't. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
No. Oh, he makes me sick every time I see him on there with his great porky face wobbling with the fat. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
Now, this is the most popular sitcom in Britain, and to have somebody talking about | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
the sitting prime minister with such venom, such aggression, I mean you wouldn't see it in My Family now. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:46 | |
Zoe Wannamaker's not going to suddenly start banging on about how | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
Gordon Brown is disgusting and he makes her sick. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
I think what that shows is that in the '70s there was this kind of | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
political frankness and this kind of political aggressiveness. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:59 | |
And this kind of naked partisanship. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
And through the bigotry of Alf Garnett, the issue of race could be raised. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
He'd put the coons down the pits. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
Colour, as it was called, was something that was pre-occupying a changing, more multi-racial Britain. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:17 | |
Humour was a way of dealing with it. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
That's why they wear all that war paint, innit? | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
To see each other in the dark, see. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
I suppose, if he did put the coons down the pits... | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
..he could always whitewash their faces first! | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
Here, rude could be agent provocateur, forcing into the open fears and prejudices. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:45 | |
Every time you see rudeness of this kind, you feel | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
either it's battering a door which won't open, or, in other cases, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
it's breaking through a door. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
Fair enough. Thanks very much. Do you want a cup of tea, Sambo...John? | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
Rudery always tests your response. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
It's always a kind of litmus paper of where you are and where society is at any given moment. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
That's what makes it so interesting in my view. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
Oh, if you want me again, just beat the drums, eh? | 0:23:14 | 0:23:19 | |
Race was critical to another tradition of rude humour | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
that also entered primetime television in the 1970s. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
This was performed in northern working men's clubs by stand-up comedians like Bernard Manning. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:40 | |
This Paki used to knock about with these two Irish fellows. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
The Paki got knocked down. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
And the copper said, "What was his name?" They said, "We never knew his name, sir. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
"The only thing we knew about him, he had two arseholes." He said, "How do you mean?" | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
He says, "Every pub we went in they used to say here's that Paki with them two arseholes." | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
These were comedians who luxuriated in being blunt, in being direct. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
And in a way part of their appeal was we say it direct, we say it to you in an unvarnished way, we say it | 0:24:06 | 0:24:13 | |
to you because those people in London won't give you this kind of comedy. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
CHEERING | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
Bernard Manning was a king of northern comedy. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:22 | |
Manning made his part of '70s Britain laugh. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
We've got a wonderful show for you tonight. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
When's the best time to sell an Irishman a plot of land? Do you know? | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
When the tide's out. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:33 | |
Nothing wrong with that. That was lovely. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
What would there be left to laugh about if you didn't have nig-nogs and disabled people and fat women? | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
There would be nothing left to be funny about. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
And we all merrily did Pakistani accents and thought that was terribly funny, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
and jokes about Chinese people eating Pakis, and Irish jokes and so forth. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:57 | |
They were very funny and nobody batted an eyelid. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
In 1971, Producer Johnny Hamp at Granada TV decided to put the humour | 0:25:01 | 0:25:07 | |
of northern comics such as Manning on television. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
Hamp thought these comedians would put a smile on the face of a nation gripped by a mood of decline. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:16 | |
Everybody was a bit in the doldrums and we thought how about a belly laugh. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
And so I | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
picked out 30 of the comics that I thought... | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
I don't know what I was going to do with them, to be honest. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
But I brought them into the studio at Granada. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
Over three nights, ten a night, and just put them all on tape. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
Then edited up what became the first show of The Comedians. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
Irishman up in court, for maintenance. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
The judge said, "We decided to allow your wife seven pound a week." | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
He says, "Thanks very much, and I'll try and send her a few shilling meself." | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
The Comedians made national stars of regional comics. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
But in this transfer to television the bawdy blue humour of the clubs was left out. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
This would have been all too much for '70s television. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
I always pride myself that I don't think we ever did a blue joke. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
When I say blue, I mean a rude, very rude, sexually rude gag. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:18 | |
What was left after the blue had been washed out was comedy that would soon be seen as unacceptable, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:24 | |
rudeness that was crude and offensive. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
I know a fellow spent 30 years in darkest Africa looking for the lost Mazazuki tribe. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:34 | |
He found them eventually, living over a chip shop in Bradford. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
Corporation toilets in Birmingham are losing a fortune. All these Jamaicans keep doing the limbo under the door. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:44 | |
There's nothing ironic about The Comedians. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
There is something ironic about Till Death Us Do Part. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
Johnny Speight wrote that show to show up Alf Garnett. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
To make fun of him and to make fun of his attitudes. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
That was the whole point of the show. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:58 | |
It didn't quite work, because a lot of people empathised with him. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
But that was the design behind it. Now Comedians isn't doing that at all. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
The Comedians is basically saying we all think Pakis are funny, let's all have a laugh at them. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:11 | |
That's the subtext behind the show. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:12 | |
There's no irony, no attempt to debunk, it's wallowing in | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
those kind of prejudices rather than interrogating them or questioning them. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
What's this? You, a Jew, you don't serve Jews... | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
The Comedians ran on ITV for 11 seasons. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
At its peak in the mid-'70s, audiences were reaching ten million. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
But into the '80s, the programme lost its mass appeal. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
# Babylon's burning... # | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
Now the mood in Britain was angry and fractious. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
This was a time of conflict abroad and the enemy within at home. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:50 | |
Rude satire now held up a mirror to a nation on edge. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:56 | |
And satirists focussed on the one person whose aggressive conviction politics were dominating Britain. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:03 | |
It's complete gloom when Thatcher came to power. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
I remember vividly May 4th 1979. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
I can remember just the sheer frustration of the Thatcher years. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
It went on for bloody 11 years of it. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
And where there is despair, may we bring hope. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
For a new generation of cartoonists, Margaret Thatcher was THE target. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:32 | |
Steve Bell was a fan of the political cartooning of Gerald Scarfe | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
and had been influenced by the subversive ideology of the counterculture. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:42 | |
Must never forget the neck. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
One of the points about Margaret, the brass Margaret, is her brass neck. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
Continuing her monstrous cheek. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
Anger made Bell's pen drip with vitriol. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
I attacked her as a psychopath. That was my take on her. I thought she was mad from the word go. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:05 | |
I thought there was something really weird about this woman. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
Not only did she stand for everything I hated, but she was deranged with it. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
And there was a kind of arrogance about Thatcher. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
Utter self belief. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
I have only one thing to say. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
You turn if you want to. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
Steve Bell in his comic strips chronicled a period | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
when the lady was not for turning, no matter what the consequences. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:34 | |
The lady's not for turning. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
I just wanted to be as rude as I possibly could, I just wanted to get at her, I wanted to attack. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
I wanted to destroy her. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
# Babylon's burning | 0:29:45 | 0:29:46 | |
# Babylon's burning. # | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
Television also satirised Margaret Thatcher | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
in a comedy show that first appeared on ITV in 1984, | 0:29:55 | 0:30:01 | |
Spitting Image. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
We considered it fair game to be as rude about Mrs Thatcher as... | 0:30:03 | 0:30:09 | |
Well, ruder than we could possibly imagine. We tried to be. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
Ah, Heseltine. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
What are you covering up this week? | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
The idea of Mrs Thatcher going for a pee with the lads | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
seemed to be perfectly normal and I think a lot of people thought that's probably what she does do. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:28 | |
It felt right. And obviously she wears Y-fronts - of course she does. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
She's well hung, massive swinging dick under there. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
That seemed right. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
Spitting Image benefitted from collaboration between illustrators | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
and sculptors Peter Fluck and Roger Law and producers like John Lloyd. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:50 | |
# Grimly fiendish | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
# Plays the game that never ends... # | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
I think that Spitting Image was a sort of hybrid | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
between the tradition that Scarfe comes out of, that we came out of, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
English comic art, English satirical art, and John Lloyd, of course, is out of Footlights. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:13 | |
So it is that hybrid between Oxbridge Footlights and a traditional form of visual art, and Punch and Judy. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:22 | |
Spitting Image revived centuries old traditions of puppetry | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
and caricature to mock and ridicule the powerful, rich and famous. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:31 | |
When Spitting Image emerged, with Fluck and Law, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
who create these grotesque puppets, it seemed to be | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
a direct link back to 18th century political cartooning. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:44 | |
Millions began to watch Spitting Image. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
In the front rooms of Britain, there seemed to be an appetite for this kind of comedy. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
The mass democracy of rude was voting for its peak time marriage of puppets and political satire. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:59 | |
If the unemployed are hungry, why don't they eat their own bodies? | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
All that good meat going to waste. It makes me mad. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
'Mrs Thatcher. Will you, yourself... | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
One of the sketches in the very first six shows was Norman Tebbit, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
who had liquidised - he put a hand, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
puppet hands were made out of pink latex, into a liquidiser and made a kind of pink soup, | 0:32:16 | 0:32:23 | |
and then drank this sort of cannibal soup. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
The idea was that if the unemployed are so hungry, why don't they eat themselves? | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
It is very nutritious, human flesh. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
This sketch made those who regulated independent television uneasy. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:39 | |
I went to the IBA and they said, "John, you see, is this funny? | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
"I mean, cannibalism, do you really think that is amusing?" | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
But a little learned chat about 18th century satirist Jonathan Swift | 0:32:49 | 0:32:54 | |
between producer and regulator persuaded them otherwise. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:59 | |
And I said, "Well, no, obviously I do not think it is amusing, sir, but it is really Swift's A Modest Proposal. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:06 | |
"As you will recall, the Irish potato famine and so on." "Oh! | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
"Satire. Oh, well that is fine. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
"I'm sorry, I did not realise it was satire, I thought it was filth. Jolly good, move on!" | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
But Spitting Image didn't just attack politicians. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
The programme also went for the British Establishment by making fun of the Royal Family. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:25 | |
..will be mine tonight. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
I want you now. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:29 | |
Rude mockery of all the senior Royals. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
Something like this hadn't been attempted for centuries. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
Yes, dear. Did you remember to set the bugler? | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
-Yes, dear, seven o'clock. -The Queen was a secret communist. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
I don't think you have met my sister Margaret, dear, have you? | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
Margaret was a dipso. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
Charles was really earnest and rather out of touch with everything. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
One talked to the workers and one cracked a rather amusing joke about an outside loo. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
Randy, you have got to help me. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
-The Duke of Edinburgh shot everything in sight. -Come on now... | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
-That's right, boy. Good shot! | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
The Royals were another target that modern rude could take on and get away with. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:15 | |
Now the Windsors were part of Rude Britannia, just like anybody else. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
Producer John Lloyd had a rude awakening to the impact | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
Spitting Image was making after one late recording. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
I came back and I fell asleep on the train back from Birmingham. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
I woke up to the sound of these two old ducks with a bucket cleaning the train. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:39 | |
One said, "Oh, did you see that Spitting Image last night on the telly?" | 0:34:39 | 0:34:44 | |
The other one says, "Yeah, I saw it. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
"I love that show because I hate the fucking Queen." | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
And you think, "What have I done here?" | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
The writers, producers and artists who worked on Spitting Image | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
were part of a generation intent on creating a new kind of comedy. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:06 | |
Here they arrive on the scene, the Ben Eltons, Harry Enfields, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
Jo Brands, and they wanted to create something new. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:18 | |
Dubbed alternative comedians, they tended to be younger, more middle class and university educated. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:26 | |
And they consciously rejected a rude humour of easy laughs against Pakistanis or the Irish. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:33 | |
The alternative comedy of the '80s came into being as | 0:35:33 | 0:35:38 | |
a very self-conscious reaction to older types of comedy. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
Let's do away with the old-fashioned comedy of The Comedians, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
of those club comics, of those older working-class comics. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
I am not a virgin! I am not a virgin! | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
The anarchic punky humour of The Young Ones relied in part on traditional slapstick. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:04 | |
Oi. If I am a virgin, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
how come I know what a girl's bottom looks like? | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
From looking in the mirror. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
It is often rudeness that does go back to a kind of clowning, bodily parts. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:18 | |
The Young Ones has lots of violence as rudeness, abuse of the body, which is a different kind of rudeness. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:24 | |
UNIVERSITY CHALLENGE THEME PLAYS | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
Watching The Young Ones go and be on University Challenge | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
and Vivian lose his head by sticking it out of a train, which, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
by the way, is an excellent safety message, it has made me always not stick my head out of a train window. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:38 | |
Do not lean out of the window. I wonder why? | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
TRAIN HORN BLARES | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
AARGHHHH! | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
Yes, it was incredibly juvenile and in a way that does fit into the alternative remit. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:55 | |
So much of alternative comedy was young middle-class men behaving like children. It cannot be got past. | 0:36:55 | 0:37:01 | |
You took your time, you bastard! | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
This was knockabout stuff, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
but also in a tradition of using rude humour to challenge taboos. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
There is a party episode when Rik Mayall goes into a girl's handbag and goes, "What is in here?" | 0:37:14 | 0:37:19 | |
And he gets out a white cardboard tube and goes, "What's this?" | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
And she blushes and covers her eyes. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
It's a telescope! | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
A telescope with a mouse in it! | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
I remember thinking at the time, I was only 18 or 20, thinking, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
"Wow, I have never seen a tampon on television before." | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
Menstruation is just not referred to at all in public, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
and he gets out this tampon, and there's this huge laugh on | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
the edginess of it and that rudeness of it but actually it is liberating. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
He is saying, yes, women menstruate, yes, let's not be so embarrassed | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
and not make women feel so bad about it, which is what it is really about. | 0:37:55 | 0:38:01 | |
-Have you? -Honestly... | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
The Young Ones were getting laughs out of new sensitivities. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
Pay attention. Mary, who is that tall girl doing Geoggers... | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
Oh! You mean | 0:38:11 | 0:38:12 | |
the one with the enormous tits! | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
They're minute... Vivian, will you stop being so sexist! | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
They are called breasts and everybody has them. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
But comedians of all ages and persuasions would increasingly | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
have to pay attention to a new code of do's and don't's | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
in the manufacture of their laughter. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
This was dictated by the emergence of political correctness. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
It's all about not offending the very groups who had been | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
the traditional butts of so much comedy. Women, ethnic minorities, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:52 | |
people who were in any way different, people who are weaker than you are. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:58 | |
Those people who had all been targets for kind of comic bullying. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
Political correctness says, oh no, you can't do that. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
Take that off the table. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
See if we get any niggers in here, you know? | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
What political correctness demanded | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
was that comedians like Bernard Manning should have no place in television's mass democracy of rude. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:21 | |
This nigger walked in this pub with a BEEP big parrot on his shoulder. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
And the barman said, "Where have you got that from?" | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
And the parrot said, Africa, there's BEEP millions of them. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
As a journalist rather than as a punter, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
I went a number of times to Bernard Manning's club | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
in Manchester and when they kicked him off TV, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
when the on the whole liberals who ran TV decided that this stuff | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
was no longer acceptable, he just went and did the same jokes | 0:39:46 | 0:39:52 | |
and even worse jokes in the clubs. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
I said you'll get a BEEP the way you are going on. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
You slant-eyed, yellow face bastard. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
Banished from television, Manning became the new alternative comedy that went underground. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:09 | |
I think it is absolutely true to say that Manning becomes the counter-culture. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
And not just Manning. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
What is left of the survivors of the working men's clubs | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
have retreated underground. They have become the alternative. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
INDISTINCT | 0:40:23 | 0:40:24 | |
Those working-class comics slink back into their bunkers | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
and become something that has to be sought out, like with native guides. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
At the same time that club comedy went back to its roots, scornful of newly PC times, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:43 | |
another rude phenomenon emerged from the north | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
that also refused to bow down to the concerns of political correctness. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:53 | |
This was Viz, from Newcastle. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
Our take on everything was to take the piss. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
That was what we enjoyed doing. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
We very much enjoyed | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
not being guided by the whole PC... | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
brigade bullshit. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
Stop this show. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:29 | |
Equal rights for ugly women. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
The whole politically correct aspect of it was worthless, as far as I am concerned. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:38 | |
You see, comedy can't be righteous. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
Comedy doesn't bear analysis. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
Whatever makes you laugh makes you laugh, and you can't be judgmental about it. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:50 | |
The manifesto of Viz proposed that you had a right to be rude about anything and anyone. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:57 | |
In their comic strips, Viz could satirise the everyday delusions of men like Sid the Sexist. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
This porn mag, mine? | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
I thought you meant the newspaper. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
Porn, me? | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
Well, I'll believe you, mind. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
I don't suppose anybody would admit to buying Big Jugs Monthly. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
Big Jugs? Oh, it was Mammoth Melons I wanted. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
I've picked up the wrong one. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
Sid the Sexist, for instance, I just wanted to create a character, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:31 | |
kind of inspired by a friend of ours, but the point was he was supposed to be this sort of Geordie | 0:42:31 | 0:42:37 | |
character who was useless around women but felt that he had to do | 0:42:37 | 0:42:42 | |
all of the bravado and all the macho stuff that peer pressure told him he had to. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 | |
Sid isn't complete without his comedy catchphrase. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:53 | |
As well as mocking Sid, Viz would, with equal enthusiasm, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
ridicule the PC absurdities of Millie Tant and the Modern Parents. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:19 | |
Have you ever been fox-hunting? | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
Have you ever worn fur? | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
Have you ever had misogynist fantasies whilst masturbating? | 0:43:23 | 0:43:28 | |
Viz could celebrate the lewd, bawdy lifestyle of the Fat Slags. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:34 | |
Eh, Tracey, I forgot me knickers. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:35 | |
Well, you wouldn't be keeping them on long anyway. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:40 | |
These two women with, "Oh, I've forgotten to put the purple blotches on my legs!" | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
And ending up shagging someone outside the kebab shop. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
You sort of laughed because you recognised the stereotypes, appalling though they were. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:53 | |
I wouldn't stand up and defend that to the Hackney Women's Committee, but I did used to chuckle at it. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:58 | |
You could eat at our place. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
We want a pizza. You'll get a shag later, don't fret. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
And after all the clever satire, Viz could just revel | 0:44:06 | 0:44:11 | |
in the centuries old, rude delights of farting. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
There is nothing like a vigorous fart for... | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
overturning pomposity. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
Viz was a welcome breath of stale air...you might say. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
Then in the late '90s, it seemed that Britain might just become a little less rude, | 0:44:36 | 0:44:41 | |
when Tony Blair came amongst us to heal and unite after the wounds and divisions of the Thatcher years. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:48 | |
Because Tony was no rude boy, was he? | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
I think there was a sense that he brought in a culture, | 0:45:00 | 0:45:05 | |
if not necessarily of niceness, | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
then of decency and inoffensiveness. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
That notorious quote which has haunted him down the years of "I am a pretty straight kind of guy." | 0:45:11 | 0:45:17 | |
That is what he ran on. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
But despite the touchy feeliness of the New Labour project, Britain remained defiantly, stubbornly rude. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:27 | |
Cartoonist Martin Rowson for one found a lot to be rude about in the person and politics of Blair. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:36 | |
From the first moment I became aware of him, there was something about him | 0:45:45 | 0:45:50 | |
which really, really irritated me. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
He was like a Christian school prefect, bursting into the Common Room when everybody else is | 0:45:52 | 0:45:57 | |
sitting around reading copies of Mayfair or having a crafty fag, saying, "Hey, guys, come on, get up, | 0:45:57 | 0:46:03 | |
"let's go and do something, let's all be enthusiastic." | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
And you go, "Oh, fuck off!" | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
I think we might have a slightly anxious Tony thinking about God, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:14 | |
wondering what God is going to say to him when he meets him. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:19 | |
Probably say hi, I should think. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
Hi, Tony. Hi, God. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
# This charming man... # | 0:46:24 | 0:46:29 | |
So many different things you could do with his face | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
because you could reduce him to just an eye and teeth and ears. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
He would always hold his hands in a certain way. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
As if poised ready to spring into | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
prayer, or as if he was clutching an enormous ball. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:52 | |
Tony Blair is responsible for the deaths of more people | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
he has never met than any prime minister since Winston Churchill. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
And if that doesn't make people angry I don't know what does. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
It makes me incredibly angry that he has got away with it. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
And we should get angry about things, because there are terrible, horrible, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
appalling things happening in the world all the time. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
And one of the ways that we cope with it, rather than topping ourselves and going mad, is by laughing. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:17 | |
Staring, demonic eye. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
And not forgetting, blood on his hands. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
I get an enormous amount of almost spiritual satisfaction | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
about being beastly about Tony Blair. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:31 | |
I think that's enough blood. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
Just as rude cartooning continued into a new millennium, | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
so the rude traditions of northern clubland also lived on. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
Here the reigning king is now Roy Chubby Brown. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
AUDIENCE CHANTS: You fat bastard, you fat bastard.... | 0:47:51 | 0:47:57 | |
Fat bastard to his adoring fans, Chubby Brown | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
gives his working class audience just the kind of humour they want. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
Roy Chubby Brown is possibly the idiot bastard son | 0:48:04 | 0:48:09 | |
of the club comics. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
He is a raw offspring. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
There is no innuendo in a Roy Chubby Brown act. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:20 | |
It is a full tilt, non-stop juggernaut of filth. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:25 | |
Roy Brown, born with a black eye. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
My father fancied one more fuck on the way to the maternity hospital. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
He is so over the top that you are drained of | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
any chance of being shocked. If you can last the distance. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
Bloke swapped his wife for an outside toilet. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
Said the hole was smaller and it smelt a lot fucking better. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
And on and on and on, and the permutations of the things | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
he is going to do and the things that are being done to him. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
I'm going to singe the minge. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
I'm going to bury the helmet. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
I'm going to break the wife's back, I'm gonna fucking snap the bitch in two. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
He is rude, the boy is rude. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
Roy Chubby Brown has been able to distribute his material through changing technologies | 0:49:07 | 0:49:12 | |
and he has a network of live venues to perform in. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
So, unlike earlier club comedians, Roy Chubby Brown has no need for the patronage of radio and television. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:23 | |
His real success and infamy grew | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
when he started selling audio cassettes of his stand-up act. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:30 | |
These were passed around almost like banned documents in the Eastern bloc. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:35 | |
And then the VHS cassette and the DVDs, that kind of rude comedy | 0:49:35 | 0:49:39 | |
has now achieved mass impact without using the broadcast media. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:44 | |
If you take somebody like Roy Chubby Brown, his story | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
is one of white working-class clubland humour going full circle. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
It starts off in the clubs, it comes onto television in the 1970s, | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
and then disappears back underground and is almost forgotten again. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:03 | |
Somebody like Roy Chubby Brown, in his own way, like it or loathe it, | 0:50:03 | 0:50:08 | |
he is keeping alive a tradition of working class blue humour. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:13 | |
Yet quite staggering rudeness can still be found in the front rooms of Britain. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:20 | |
One comedy series proves that television's mass democracy of rude can still exist today. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:28 | |
Little Britain is a place where every tradition | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
of British rudeness is drawn upon to provoke our shared laughter. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
INAUDIBLE | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
-You little slut. -You fat bitch. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
Get your hands off me. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
Matt Lucas and David Walliams seem to have cast off the shackles | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
that political correctness tried to put on rude comedy. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:54 | |
Little Britain came along after years of programmes that would never | 0:50:54 | 0:51:00 | |
have dared go into the places where Little Britain went. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
It is just because of the time lapse that it suddenly had comic value, | 0:51:03 | 0:51:08 | |
that detonating these bombs in the middle of their sketch show | 0:51:08 | 0:51:12 | |
was suddenly far more powerful because the time was ready for us | 0:51:12 | 0:51:17 | |
to go, "OK, I will laugh at that again," but it still had shock value. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
Little Britain is shocking, | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
confronting taboo after taboo to reveal just how far we have | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
travelled since modern rude began in the early '60s. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
That's got it. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:33 | |
Yet Little Britain also divides us as a nation, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
because today's responses to rude are so conditioned by sensitivities about race, class and sexuality. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:44 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
'The idea of a Prime Minister having an outrageous, sissy PA' | 0:51:47 | 0:51:54 | |
is a send-up of the Prime Minister, but is also a parody and a send-up of sissy gay men. | 0:51:54 | 0:52:00 | |
Be gentle with me, Prime Minister. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
I very much approve of what I think probably would be the Little Britain charter of comedy, which is that | 0:52:05 | 0:52:12 | |
anything can be laughed at. And I really mean anything. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
And I certainly as a gay man or whatever, short stocky bearded man, | 0:52:15 | 0:52:22 | |
whatever I am, any part of that can be sent up. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
But some find Little Britain simply offensive. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
What I find so troubling about Little Britain is their women are repulsive | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
and they're not just repulsive characters, | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
which all their characters are. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
They are physically, specifically unpleasant. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
So they constantly defecate, urinate, lactate, vomit. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:51 | |
< Sorry. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:56 | |
Oh, is there a good one near here? | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
All these women are producing fluid from some orifice at some time all the time. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:05 | |
And it is impossible to watch it without thinking, | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
"I get it already, you don't like people who look like me. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
"That is just fine. Really that's just fine, can we stop now? | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
"This is just so nasty." | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
What Little Britain confirms | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
is that the opponent Rude Britannia now faces has changed. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
'In the '60s, with Till Death Us Do Part and others,' | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
it was essentially the right who were saying | 0:53:29 | 0:53:34 | |
this is filthy, this is sweary. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
Very little actually, except a few members of the left, saying this is racist. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:42 | |
When we get to the early 21st century, you have the criticism coming almost entirely | 0:53:42 | 0:53:49 | |
from the liberal left, saying this is misogynistic, | 0:53:49 | 0:53:54 | |
this is homophobic, this is racist. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
You can't have these men blacking up and cross-dressing and making jokes about breast-feeding. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:05 | |
And so the entire line of attack across those 50 years has changed. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
An explosion of television channels and radio stations has given | 0:54:13 | 0:54:18 | |
greater opportunities for rudery but also for offence. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
In October 2008, Jonathan Ross went on the Russell Brand radio show. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:30 | |
The two tried to contact actor Andrew Sachs, then left offensive messages on his answer phone. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:37 | |
The BBC has apologised to the actor Andrew Sachs for what it called the unacceptable... | 0:54:37 | 0:54:42 | |
Sachsgate was a rude own goal for just about everybody. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
..by the broadcasters Russell Brand and Jonathan Ross. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:47 | |
I have still never met, | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
even in private, a comedian or anyone at all who will defend what they did. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:57 | |
The BBC has so far received 1,500 complaints about the programme. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
Like many people I think that what Brand and Ross did | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
was unforgivably pathetic, and rude and not very nice. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:09 | |
The furore led to a tightening of BBC rules | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
governing material considered to be offensive. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
Now the C word used is compliance. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:21 | |
This is the internal procedure for monitoring contentious material. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:27 | |
Rude is still in the schedules. But with stricter compliance, | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
there is less of it, and what rudeness there is, | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
has a cordon sanitaire placed around it. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
What has happened is that there are certain | 0:55:37 | 0:55:41 | |
very small areas of the schedule which are licensed to offend. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:46 | |
And around that half hour or hour, there are lots of people with red | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
flags jumping up and down and saying this is quite incredibly offensive, please don't be offended. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:55 | |
This programme contains very strong language from the outset. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:02 | |
You get her into the sack, you bang her fucking brains out. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
This is really crossing the line. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
Don't start with moral objections, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
you fucking Blue Peter badge-wearing ponce. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
Go and make a contribution to fucking Amnesty International, go and buy | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
a goat the whole village can fuck. But you are doing this for me. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
The rest of the schedules, people are frightened and cautious | 0:56:19 | 0:56:24 | |
and nervous and taking out words which were routine in programmes even four or five years ago. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:32 | |
And so you have a few licensed bad boy or bad girl programmes, | 0:56:32 | 0:56:38 | |
but the rest of it are on Sunday best all the time. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:42 | |
This reining in of rude has led to accusations that compliance is just another word for censorship. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:50 | |
There is a kind of climate now that suddenly you're not allowed to say that. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:55 | |
And anybody who has ever been at the cutting edge of comedy trying to stop us all getting stultified | 0:56:55 | 0:57:01 | |
by doing the same joke that we have been doing for 100 years, trying | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
to move it on a bit, is going to get a good deal of opprobrium and anger | 0:57:03 | 0:57:08 | |
and there is going to be this | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
sort of cultural police come along and say that is not funny. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:15 | |
Cheer up, John! | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
Our modest history of Rude Britannia suggests that we may not have to be so pessimistic. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:27 | |
There has always been a war between Rude and Prude. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:32 | |
The cartoonists of the 18th century continually had the skill and wit | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
to take on their rich and powerful foes. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
The music hall stars of the 19th Century thrived on battles with the moralists of Victorian Britain. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:44 | |
And modern rude has got up the noses of just about everybody. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:48 | |
So it is more likely that the centuries-old battle between | 0:57:50 | 0:57:54 | |
rude mischief makers and their enemies will just never end. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
Perhaps it wouldn't be much fun if it ever did. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:02 | |
# Reasons to be cheerful One, two, three... # | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
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