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'If I ask you to name Shakespeare's most famous play of all,

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'there's a fairly good chance you'll plump for Hamlet.'

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'But quite why that should be remains a mystery.'

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It connects with something very primal...

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It exists in the public consciousness

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as this icon of theatre and culture.

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It's woven into the fabric of our lives.

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There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,

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than are dreamt of in our philosophy.

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'In 2008, I was asked to play Hamlet at the Royal Shakespeare Company.'

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'For any actor, that's an offer of a lifetime.'

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'But not without its challenges.'

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This was something that I wanted to do and couldn't say no to,

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but it was, and remained until the final performance,

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utterly terrifying.

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Another hit; what say you?

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This sounds ludicrous and pretentious and pompous.

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It's just a play, it's pretending to be someone

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and saying some words...

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Am I a coward?

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..and yet, because there's something special about it,

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it does things to you.

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'Why it has this effect is something I still can't answer.'

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It was written a long time ago.

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It shouldn't be relevant and contemporary.

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It shouldn't be.

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To try and work out what makes this play so unique,

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I'm going to meet with directors...

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I think that's why people didn't notice.

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..historians...

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-It's incredibly rare.

-Only two in the world?

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..and some other Hamlets.

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We know that this particular role is also like a sharing of one's soul.

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So what is it about this character that is still so compelling,

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400 years after he was created?

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The first trick for any actor coming to Hamlet is to avoid

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being overwhelmed by the very notion of it.

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One of the things when you come to Hamlet is ridding yourself

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of the baggage that comes with it, and trying to just tell the story,

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and we're in the RSC shop here,

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where things have been appropriated and made into just about anything,

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and this is the classy stuff.

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Oh, look!

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Alas, poor Yorick.

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This is Hamlet, the flickbook.

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That's it summed up in 30 seconds.

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The manga Hamlet.

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Hamlet seems to be addressed as a sort of androgynous superhero.

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I mean, it's a choice.

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'And, of course, there's a smorgasbord of different Hamlets.'

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Kevin Kline.

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Mel Gibson.

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Some Scottish bloke.

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Kenneth Branagh.

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Derek Jacobi.

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This play is so deeply ingrained in our popular culture.

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What's difficult when you come to perform it is extracting yourself

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from the cliche and the fact that every line seems to be a quotation.

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It's just that everywhere I go

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it's the same old thing.

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All anyone wants me to say is

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"To be, or not to be."

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That is the question.

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Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer

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the slings and arrows...

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Yes. It's either that or...

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'Almost everyone can quote a line from Hamlet.'

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Do the bit about "Alas, poor Yorick"!

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Hamlet is clearly a character that everyone seems to know about.

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But how did that happen? Why this play?

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On the face of it, the story line isn't something that necessarily

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chimes with the everyday experience of most people.

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Monarchy, madness, murder and suicide,

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yet however melodramatic the premise,

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somehow the play keeps feeling relevant and being sought out

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by successive generations.

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Is that just down to the plot?

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So what is Hamlet actually about?

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Well, Hamlet is the story of the Prince of Denmark,

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whose father, the King of Denmark, gets murdered,

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and then comes back as a ghost to tell his son, the Prince,

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that he must avenge his death.

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The person who murdered the king is Hamlet's uncle,

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who's now married Hamlet's mother.

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Got that?

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It is complicated,

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but when we first meet Hamlet it is clear.

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He is grief stricken.

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'His mother's marriage to his uncle has taken place with unseemly haste,

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'hot on the heels of his father's death.'

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Hamlet!

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'Seemingly alone in finding that remotely distasteful,

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'Hamlet is angry and isolated.'

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'Tis sweet and commendable in your nature, Hamlet,

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To give these mourning duties to your father:

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But, you must know, your father lost a father;

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That father lost, lost his.

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But to persever

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In obstinate condolement is a course

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Of impious stubbornness.

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At the beginning of the play, obviously,

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he's dealing with the death of his father.

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And he's also dealing with the fact that everyone around him

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seems to have moved on absurdly quickly from this fact.

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If you're going to do a play after somebody's just died,

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then Hamlet's the play to do.

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It's an amazing expression of grief.

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My mother died just before I did it.

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She knew I was going to do it,

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and hoped to stay alive in order to see it, but she didn't,

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and, of course, that had an effect

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on the playing of it,

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because it was my gift to her, really.

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Losing a parent is hugely changing for you,

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and grief is a sort of ghastly, immovable thing.

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Certainly, when you are in the kind of sharp end of it,

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it feels engulfing and intractable.

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'This play is about a murdered father and his lonely, grieving son.'

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'A grief that has resonated down the centuries.'

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'So, who created this extraordinary character,

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'and where did he come from?'

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'There's a lot we don't know about Shakespeare's life,

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'but there are a few things we can fairly safely assume.'

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'He was born and raised in Stratford-Upon-Avon,

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'where his father was mayor of the town,

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'which means William will have been entitled to go

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'to the local grammar school, King Edward's.'

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Hic, haec, hoc.

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STUDENTS: Hic, haec, hoc.

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Good.

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Hunc, hanc, hoc.

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STUDENTS: Hunc, hanc, hoc.

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'I'm sitting in on a lesson that the young William

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'would almost definitely have endured.'

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'Latin.'

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They're clearly very proud of their connections.

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The photo on the wall, just to intimidate the schoolboys of today.

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Not much to aspire to(!)

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Latin has been being taught in this very room

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to schoolboys in Stratford for hundreds of years.

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Shakespeare almost certainly learned Latin here. He learned rhetoric.

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Many of the things that would have

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contributed to his skills as a playwright.

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There may be a playwright in this room now.

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Its impossible to know from this distance

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what influences formed Shakespeare's genius,

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but there are some intriguing coincidences

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that are hard to overlook.

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Shakespeare married at 18,

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and had three children by the time he was 24.

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By the time William was 30,

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around the time it is thought he wrote Hamlet,

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his father was aging and ill.

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And then Shakespeare suffered a terrible tragedy

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when his 11-year-old son died.

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He was called Hamnet.

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It is impossible, I think, not to understand that the name Hamlet

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was charged with the identity

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of his 11-year-old dead son.

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And part of the intensity of this play depends upon

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the familiarity of Shakespeare and his world with the graveyard

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and what it meant to bury your fondest hopes.

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This theme of bereavement and loss takes a surprising turn

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when Hamlet is handed some dramatic news.

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The ghost of his dead father has been seen

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walking the battlements of the castle.

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-I think I saw him yesternight.

-Saw who?

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My Lord, the King, your father.

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The King, my father?

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The appearance of the ghost becomes the engine of the play.

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I'm visiting the replica of the Globe Theatre

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on the South bank of the Thames, where, around 1601,

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Shakespeare's actors first performed Hamlet.

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Here, today, they are running the opening scenes.

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So this is where we see Hamlet meeting the ghost of his dead father

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for the first time.

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Where wilt thou lead me?

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Speak; I'll go no further.

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Mark me.

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I will.

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I am thy father's spirit,

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Doom'd for a certain time to walk the night,

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And for the day confined to fast in fires,

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Till the foul crimes done in my days of nature

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Be burnt and purged away.

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List, list, O, list!

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If ever thou didst thy dear father love.

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O God!

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Revenge his foul and most unnatural murder.

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-Murder!

-Murder most foul.

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Haste me to know't, that I, with wings as swift

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As meditation or the thoughts of love,

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May sweep to my revenge.

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I find thee apt; but know, thou noble youth,

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The serpent that did sting thy father's life

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Now wears his crown.

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O my prophetic soul!

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My uncle?

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The ghost has confirmed what Hamlet had feared - that his father has been killed by his uncle.

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It falls to him to avenge this murder,

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but is he capable of seeing it through?

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Everyone knew in Shakespeare's time, as everyone knows now, still,

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that a revenge play, a play in which someone, a son,

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is called upon to avenge his father,

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is a play in which a terrible fate will befall the avenger.

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Hamlet is a dead man from act one.

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He knows it and we know it.

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'This call to arms has come from a ghost,

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'a supernatural visitor from the other side.'

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'What would this have meant to Shakespeare's audience?'

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'I've come to meet historian Justin Champion,

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'who is an expert in the world of 17th century religion.'

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So, what would a ghost have meant to an Elizabethan audience?

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Well, I think the first thing is that an Elizabethan audience

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would not have been surprised to see a ghost.

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Ghosts were everywhere.

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So, to most of that audience, ghosts were things that existed?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So there wouldn't have been the shock, you know,

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if a ghost walks past us now, we'll be a little bit surprised.

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Well, a little!

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A little bit, a little bit surprised,

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but for the Elizabethan, the Stuart audience,

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ghosts are part of the world they live in.

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The spirit world and the human world are very permeable,

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so they wouldn't have been surprised at all.

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They would have asked themselves what sort of ghost is it? Good or bad?

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Right.

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'Apparently, there were four options.'

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This ghost could be the devil.

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It could be sent by the devil or the devil in person.

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Right.

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The ghost could be a projection of imagination.

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The person is somehow deluded or deranged.

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The ghost could be the result of imposture

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- locals maybe confecting an illusion of a ghost,

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or the ghost could be a wandering soul

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come back to avenge some act of injustice,

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so there is a science of what a ghost meant and how it would behave.

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The ghost's visit propels Hamlet and the play forward,

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so any actor playing the part has to decide what the ghost means to them.

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There have been famous productions where the ghost is

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a figment of Hamlet's own imagination, and I think that's

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all a very interesting take on it, actually.

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It's not what we did, so it's not...

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For me, that was Dad there.

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Adieu.

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Adieu.

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Hamlet.

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Remember me!

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'So, Hamlet is burdened with the task

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'of avenging his father's death.'

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'What makes this even worse

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is the dark and dangerous world he lives in.'

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Wow!

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Rosencrantz and Guildenstern...

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'The king has enlisted Hamlet's friends to spy on him.'

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'The king's minister, meanwhile,

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'devices his own scheme involving his own daughter.'

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'Polonius believes Hamlet's distress is caused by his love-sickness

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'for Ophelia, so he spies on them both.'

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Where's your father?

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At home, my Lord.

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We are on edge throughout the play of Hamlet because of the sense

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of people being constantly overheard.

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We never quite know who is on which side.

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There's layer upon layer of surveillance going on there.

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This is a court full of intrigue, full of spies.

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As Hamlet struggles to make sense of the chaos in his head

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and all around him,

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Shakespeare allows us to hear exactly

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what his troubled protagonist is going through.

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We, the audience, become his confidante.

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He uses soliloquies to speak to us directly.

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A soliloquy is when a character

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speaks their inner thoughts out loud,

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debates their inner arguments with themselves,

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and hopefully finds some kind of way forward.

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As an actor, when you come to play those soliloquies, you can make a choice.

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You can either speak these speeches into the air

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as if to yourself, to the world around you,

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or you can acknowledge the fact that you are in a theatre

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and that the audience are all around you,

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and you can use them as another character in your play.

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You can speak the speeches right at them.

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'Right at the heart of the play, Hamlet has a devastating soliloquy

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'that has become the most famous speech in the history of theatre,

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'possibly even all of literature.'

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'He asks, what is the point?'

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To be, or not to be:

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that is the question:

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Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer

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The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,

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Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,

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And by opposing end them?

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Every individual confronts these questions privately,

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and then to have a play that

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confronts them publically,

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and that confronts them

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in a voice of such control, such thoughtfulness,

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such power, that something is happening on the stage for us,

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so it might not have to happen to us,

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and that's extraordinarily powerful.

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To die, to sleep;

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To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;

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For in that sleep of death what dreams may come.

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Because Hamlet is alone on stage,

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and because his most characteristic of speech is the question,

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inevitably, we, in the audience, as we watch it,

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or we as readers, as we read it, we get drawn in.

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We ask those questions of ourselves

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and try to come up with our own answers,

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so the character of Hamlet becomes profoundly personal to us.

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There's something about it that transcends its time and place.

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On some level we can all identify with those moment of crisis,

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and those moments where it really feels

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that the only solution would be to escape.

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I think that's why it is so resonant.

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'It's powerful to ask those questions now.'

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'In Shakespeare's time, it was revolutionary.'

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This is not just a state of crisis,

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this is a man thinking about killing himself.

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Suicide, in the entirety of this period is absolutely forbidden.

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Suicide is illegal - if you are convicted of suicide,

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you will be taken out to the crossroads outside the village

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or town and buried with a stake through your heart.

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Suicide is absolutely traumatic for this culture.

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That's what's so shocking about this scene is that here is a man,

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in one sense, rationally weighing up the options.

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This is clearly not somebody possessed by the devil.

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This is somebody trying to think through for themselves, and I think,

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for many in the audience, this would be very worrying.

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For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,

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But that the dread of something after death,

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The undiscover'd country from whose bourn

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No traveller returns, puzzles the will

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And makes us rather bear those ills we have

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Than fly to others that we know not of?

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'Hamlets soliloquies are so famous, so eloquent and so powerful

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'that it can feel like quite a responsibility to actually

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'deliver them.'

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I suppose, for those moments, it's a bit like doing a one man show,

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in that there's no other actors to bounce off.

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I think, when those moments work, and it's just you with

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these incredible words and extraordinary arguments,

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I think it's very empowering.

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It can also be kind of terrifying

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because it's pretty safely net free

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- there's nobody else to rely on

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and there's nobody else to help you out if you forget a bit.

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'Since playing Hamlet myself, I've been fascinated with how

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'other actors have approached this most intimidating of roles.'

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Someone did say to me early on, "Learn your lines!"

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And I thought, "Of course

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I'm going to learn my lines,"

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but then, when you do sit down and look, there's quite a lot!

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'Jude Law played Hamlet in London and on Broadway in 2009.'

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There are lines like "To be, or not to be", which are so well-known

0:22:270:22:30

it's almost impossible to break the expectation of them coming.

0:22:300:22:34

Did you have a way of coping with that?

0:22:340:22:36

Would you embrace that full-on?

0:22:360:22:38

Would you try and sneak round the side of them?

0:22:380:22:43

Oh, dear. It's so revealing, this, isn't it? I think I tried all that.

0:22:430:22:47

Good!

0:22:470:22:48

I think I tried them all, but then, you know,

0:22:480:22:52

I remember also just feeling like, "Just get on with it."

0:22:520:22:56

What did you make of "To be, or not to be?"

0:22:560:22:58

The specific meaning of it is quite hard to grasp, isn't it?

0:22:580:23:00

Yeah.

0:23:000:23:02

Quite what he's saying at any given moment.

0:23:020:23:05

I think that was the little hook I clung on to,

0:23:050:23:08

that he didn't know himself.

0:23:080:23:12

It was all question,

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and each discovery leads to the next,

0:23:140:23:18

and to the next, and to the next,

0:23:180:23:20

and there's a sense that he's really trying to figure it out.

0:23:200:23:24

'It has been said that there are as many different Hamlets

0:23:250:23:28

'as there are actors to play him,

0:23:280:23:31

'and that scope for reinterpretation seems to be

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'part of what makes this role so constantly fascinating.'

0:23:340:23:37

We know that this particular role is also like a sharing of one's soul,

0:23:390:23:44

so you're not just going to see your preferred actor,

0:23:440:23:47

but you're also going to see them perhaps bearing a side

0:23:470:23:51

of themselves, and revealing a side of themselves that's really intimate.

0:23:510:23:55

I think of all the parts I've played,

0:23:560:23:58

that one feels the most transparent.

0:23:580:24:01

When you go and see it,

0:24:020:24:03

you're seeing something of the actor.

0:24:030:24:05

Something very personal, private about the actor who's playing it.

0:24:070:24:11

Always, I think.

0:24:110:24:12

It's not a mask you can hide behind.

0:24:120:24:16

There is something extraordinary about stripping away

0:24:180:24:22

your acting persona, really.

0:24:220:24:24

Did you find it quite exposing, then?

0:24:240:24:27

Yeah. I think, in the end,

0:24:270:24:29

you are standing on the stage as David Tennant.

0:24:290:24:31

'None of which helps to make that most famous of speeches

0:24:310:24:36

'any easier to cope with.'

0:24:360:24:38

Quite often - I'm sure you've had this - people say it along with you.

0:24:380:24:41

Yeah.

0:24:410:24:42

That's fine.

0:24:420:24:44

I had one woman who was doing it just before I said it...

0:24:440:24:48

-..which was infuriating!

-Yes.

0:24:500:24:52

'One the most iconic and influential takes on Hamlet

0:24:530:24:56

'was in an RSC production of the 60s.'

0:24:560:24:59

Look at this handsome young devil!

0:25:010:25:03

Look how handsome!

0:25:030:25:06

'David Warner played Hamlet in 1965.'

0:25:060:25:09

'He was a moody, strident, student prince.'

0:25:090:25:12

'At that time, at the age of 24,

0:25:120:25:15

'he was thought to be the youngest actor

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to have played the part professionally.'

0:25:170:25:19

Saying "To be, or not to be" for the first time out loud,

0:25:210:25:23

did you have any particular philosophy to it?

0:25:230:25:26

No, no. Things happened instinctively.

0:25:260:25:29

There's one thing that I have to say.

0:25:290:25:32

I didn't really understand Shakespeare's words.

0:25:320:25:36

Right.

0:25:360:25:37

-I had to get most of it explained to me.

-Right, yeah.

0:25:370:25:39

I mean, they used to say lines that I had no idea what it meant.

0:25:390:25:45

I don't know if that ever happened to you. I'm sure it did.

0:25:450:25:48

-Well, even by the end, you still weren't quite sure?

-Well, not quite sure!

0:25:480:25:52

I think actors should admit to that more readily.

0:25:520:25:54

'David's Hamlet was a huge box office hit,

0:25:560:25:58

'though it took a while for all the critics to catch up.'

0:25:580:26:02

Some of the reactions to your Hamlet,

0:26:020:26:05

which range from the effusive -

0:26:050:26:07

this is the most extraordinary performance you've ever seen -

0:26:070:26:11

to some quite snippy criticism.

0:26:110:26:13

I happen to have on me the bad reviews.

0:26:130:26:16

"I would sooner the town crier spoke Shakespeare's lines as to

0:26:160:26:20

hear David Warner."

0:26:200:26:21

That's pretty good, isn't it?

0:26:210:26:23

"Tiresome, perverse, indulgent."

0:26:230:26:24

Wow.

0:26:240:26:26

There was one person who, when they heard I was going to do it, said,

0:26:260:26:29

"This actor cannot do it."

0:26:290:26:30

Right. Thanks. That's helpful, isn't it(!)

0:26:300:26:33

"I've seen him, and I don't think he's going to be able to do it."

0:26:330:26:36

And that was before.

0:26:360:26:38

How did that feel?

0:26:380:26:39

-It wasn't very nice.

-No.

0:26:390:26:40

Many people come to Hamlet with preconceptions or

0:26:450:26:48

expectations of what the play should be, but in fact,

0:26:480:26:51

there is not even a definitive text of the play.

0:26:510:26:53

There are three different sources.

0:26:550:26:58

Copies of these are extremely valuable and precious.

0:26:590:27:01

I've never seen them all up close,

0:27:010:27:03

but at the British Library they have examples of each one.

0:27:030:27:07

Tim Pye, the curator, has agreed to open up the safe.

0:27:070:27:12

Here we have the precious cargo.

0:27:120:27:14

Yeah.

0:27:140:27:16

'There is a first version, the so-called bad quarto,

0:27:160:27:18

'believed to be cobbled together from an actor's memory.'

0:27:180:27:22

'The second, much longer version, possibly printed

0:27:220:27:24

'to replace the bad quarto

0:27:240:27:27

'and a third version in The First Folio,

0:27:270:27:30

'a collection of Shakespeare's plays published after his death.'

0:27:300:27:34

Do you want to open that one up to the title page?

0:27:370:27:39

I'm allowed to touch?

0:27:390:27:40

Yes, of course.

0:27:400:27:41

Extraordinary.

0:27:410:27:43

'On the table in front of me are about £10 million worth of books.'

0:27:430:27:47

So, this is the first quarto.

0:27:490:27:52

Often known as the bad quarto.

0:27:530:27:55

That's right. I think the bad quarto is a bit of a misnomer.

0:27:550:27:58

Why is that?

0:27:580:27:59

Because I think it has merits.

0:27:590:28:01

Yeah.

0:28:010:28:02

It is quite quick-paced for a Hamlet.

0:28:020:28:05

Yes.

0:28:050:28:06

-Because it's about half the length of the other two later versions.

-Yes.

0:28:060:28:09

It includes stage directions that aren't included elsewhere

0:28:090:28:12

that people still reference nowadays.

0:28:120:28:14

Right.

0:28:140:28:16

So I think "bad" is a little unfair.

0:28:160:28:19

Yeah.

0:28:190:28:21

There are two known copies.

0:28:210:28:22

-Only two?

-It's incredibly rare.

0:28:220:28:24

-Only two in the world?

-Yeah.

0:28:240:28:26

There's only two. I had no idea.

0:28:260:28:29

Judging the versions against each other,

0:28:340:28:36

there are many surprising differences.

0:28:360:28:39

There's one on the very first line.

0:28:410:28:43

"Who's there", which is quite a famous opening to a play.

0:28:450:28:48

Yeah.

0:28:480:28:49

Is "Stand: who is that?", in this bad quarto,

0:28:510:28:55

which is quite markedly different.

0:28:550:28:57

Yeah.

0:28:570:28:58

Although it is much shorter,

0:28:580:28:59

there are certain details that only feature in the first quarto.

0:28:590:29:03

"Enter Ofelia playing on a Lute, and her haire downe singing."

0:29:060:29:09

Playing on a lute? It's going to limit your casting options, as well!

0:29:090:29:13

'And perhaps the most interesting

0:29:140:29:16

'are the differences in that most famous of soliloquies.'

0:29:160:29:20

The thing that we probably recognise as being the biggest

0:29:210:29:24

difference is the most famous speech...

0:29:240:29:26

..in the English language.

0:29:260:29:27

Indeed, indeed.

0:29:270:29:28

"To be, or not to be: that is the question:", becomes

0:29:300:29:33

"To be, or not to be, I there's the point."

0:29:350:29:37

Yeah.

0:29:370:29:38

"To Die, to sleep, is that all?" That's quite a cut.

0:29:400:29:43

"Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer

0:29:430:29:45

"The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune..."

0:29:450:29:47

That's all gone.

0:29:470:29:49

It has all gone.

0:29:490:29:50

All gone.

0:29:500:29:52

It does sound like a poorly-remembered version

0:29:550:29:58

of the speech we know.

0:29:580:29:59

Yeah.

0:29:590:30:00

Half-phrases are in there, and the sense is in there.

0:30:000:30:03

Yeah, yeah.

0:30:030:30:04

But who's to say this isn't the original, of course?

0:30:040:30:07

Well, indeed, or do we just think that's poor compared to

0:30:070:30:11

the much more eloquent and elegant one we now know?

0:30:110:30:15

If this was the only surviving text of Hamlet,

0:30:150:30:18

would we denigrate it as much as we do?

0:30:180:30:20

Well, quite.

0:30:200:30:22

I quite like the fact that it's been edited in places to shorten it.

0:30:220:30:25

Oh, I think it can do without edit, definitely.

0:30:250:30:28

Yeah, yeah. Hamlet can sometimes be a bit long.

0:30:280:30:30

It can be a bit long. I've heard that.

0:30:300:30:33

Some productions can be a little dry. I wouldn't know about that.

0:30:330:30:38

No, I think, absolutely. This must have charged along, which is great.

0:30:390:30:42

Yeah.

0:30:420:30:43

'Whichever version you use, Hamlet's dilemmas remain the same.'

0:30:490:30:53

'Having doubted the point of life itself,

0:30:550:30:58

'Hamlet starts to doubt his mission.'

0:30:580:31:00

'Should he trust the ghost? Can he be sure Claudius is guilty?'

0:31:010:31:05

'He devises a plan to expose the king.'

0:31:070:31:10

This is one Lucianus, nephew to the king.

0:31:160:31:19

'He enlists a group of travelling players to enact a play

0:31:190:31:23

'mirroring the king's murder.'

0:31:230:31:25

'If Claudius flinches, he will have the proof he requires.'

0:31:260:31:29

How fares my Lord?

0:31:290:31:31

Give me some...

0:31:390:31:42

Give me some light!

0:31:420:31:45

'The king reacts.'

0:31:470:31:49

'Hamlet is vindicated.'

0:31:490:31:51

What, frighted with false fire!

0:31:520:31:54

Imagine what it must be like to realise

0:31:550:31:57

that your worst fears are right.

0:31:570:31:59

Because it's all been

0:32:000:32:03

almost dealable with

0:32:030:32:04

up until this point, but now I've got to do something.

0:32:040:32:08

Hamlet gets the perfect opportunity to exact his revenge

0:32:140:32:18

when he passes the king alone, praying.

0:32:180:32:22

But will he be able to seize the moment?

0:32:230:32:26

In our production, director Greg Doran had a notion

0:32:340:32:37

to draw out the tension.

0:32:370:32:38

I think it is a thriller.

0:32:400:32:42

I mean, once I had that in my head

0:32:420:32:45

that, psychologically,

0:32:450:32:46

it was a thriller,

0:32:460:32:47

then what you need to do is keep

0:32:470:32:49

making the audience believe that they've never seen it before

0:32:490:32:52

and don't know what's going to happen.

0:32:520:32:54

When, for instance, he happens, after the play,

0:32:540:32:59

to bump into his uncle Claudius praying,

0:32:590:33:03

and he's suddenly has the idea that he could,

0:33:030:33:06

while the man is praying, kill him,

0:33:060:33:09

having absolutely in his mind established his guilt.

0:33:090:33:12

Thriller-wise, you in the audience should be thinking,

0:33:120:33:16

"He's going to do it."

0:33:160:33:18

Now might I do it pat,

0:33:190:33:20

now he is praying;

0:33:240:33:26

And now I'll do't.

0:33:290:33:31

'We took the interval right there, in the middle of the line.'

0:33:310:33:34

Again, quiet a potentially bold decision to take the interval,

0:33:360:33:41

in fact, in the middle of a verse line.

0:33:410:33:43

The scholars were appalled.

0:33:430:33:45

What was the actual line? So you went...

0:33:460:33:49

"Now might I do it pat, now he's praying, and now I'll do it."

0:33:490:33:53

Interval.

0:33:530:33:54

Blackout, yeah.

0:33:540:33:56

How many of the audience do you think went, "My god, he killed his uncle"?

0:33:560:34:00

I don't know. I hope some did.

0:34:000:34:02

But did we start the second half..?

0:34:020:34:05

Did we re-run the beginning of the second half,

0:34:050:34:07

or did you start, "And so he goes to heaven"?

0:34:070:34:09

No. I started with a knife above his head.

0:34:090:34:12

The lights went up, like nothing had happened for 15 minutes,

0:34:120:34:15

"And so he goes to heaven, and so am I revenged."

0:34:160:34:19

-And, using the audience, talked myself out of it.

-Right.

0:34:190:34:22

-VOICEOVER:

-And so he goes to heaven;

0:34:230:34:25

And so am I revenged. That would be scann'd:

0:34:250:34:28

A villain kills my father; and for that,

0:34:280:34:30

I, his sole son, do this same villain send

0:34:300:34:33

To heaven.

0:34:330:34:34

O, this is hire and salary, not revenge.

0:34:350:34:37

Hamlet doesn't know what he is going to do,

0:34:410:34:44

so as Hamlet raises the knife above Claudius's head,

0:34:440:34:47

in that nanosecond, he believes he's going to kill him.

0:34:470:34:51

It doesn't last, and he doesn't because, again,

0:34:510:34:55

he's straightjacketed by his own morality and his own fears,

0:34:550:34:59

and his own humanity, you could say.

0:34:590:35:01

That makes me like him all the more,

0:35:030:35:05

but it makes him like himself all the less.

0:35:050:35:08

Hamlet asks some very serious questions

0:35:100:35:14

about the morality of revenge, the morality of killing.

0:35:140:35:19

We think of that as a very modern,

0:35:190:35:21

21st century thing,

0:35:210:35:23

but Shakespeare is there before us.

0:35:230:35:26

'Hamlet is a deeply reluctant revenge hero,'

0:35:280:35:31

'but in the very next scene he will slip dangerously out of character.'

0:35:310:35:36

He will come straight.

0:35:360:35:38

I'll silence me in here.

0:35:380:35:40

Hamlet's behaviour has alarmed the king and his councillor, Polonius.

0:35:410:35:45

Hamlet is summoned to his mother's bedroom...

0:35:450:35:47

Mother?

0:35:470:35:49

..where Polonius is hiding, eavesdropping on their conversation.

0:35:490:35:51

Mother.

0:35:510:35:52

Withdraw, I hear him coming.

0:35:540:35:56

Hamlet arrives ready to confront his mother about her marriage,

0:35:570:36:00

but in a moment of madness will do something catastrophic.

0:36:000:36:04

Now, mother, what's the matter?

0:36:050:36:07

Hamlet, thou hast thy father much offended.

0:36:070:36:10

Mother, you have my father much offended.

0:36:100:36:12

Have you forgot me?

0:36:120:36:14

No, by the rood, not so:

0:36:140:36:16

You are the queen, your husband's brother's wife;

0:36:160:36:19

And - would it were not so! - you are my mother.

0:36:190:36:21

Nay, then, I'll set those to you that can speak.

0:36:210:36:23

Come, come, and sit you down; you shall not budge;

0:36:230:36:25

You go not till I set you up a glass

0:36:250:36:28

Where you may see the inmost part of you.

0:36:280:36:31

What wilt thou do? Thou wilt not murder me?

0:36:330:36:36

Help, help, help!

0:36:360:36:37

Help, help!

0:36:370:36:38

How now! A rat?

0:36:380:36:40

Dead, for a ducat!

0:36:400:36:43

Dead!

0:36:440:36:46

Impulsively, Hamlet lashes out,

0:36:460:36:48

believing he has finally caught the king,

0:36:480:36:51

but instead, he has murdered Polonius.

0:36:510:36:53

I think it happens in the heat of a very hot moment,

0:36:570:37:01

before he can really examine what he's doing.

0:37:010:37:03

From that moment, as he looks down at Polonius's corpse,

0:37:030:37:07

I think he realises there's no going back and nothing will ever be the same now,

0:37:070:37:13

and I've probably started on the path to my own destruction.

0:37:130:37:20

'But although everything has changed for Hamlet in that moment,

0:37:240:37:28

'the scene is not over.'

0:37:280:37:30

'Something has been brewing for a long time.'

0:37:300:37:34

'He still has to confront the person he feels has betrayed him most.'

0:37:340:37:38

'His mother.'

0:37:380:37:39

You modulate into a total disgust at what she's doing.

0:37:420:37:45

'In this scene, all Hamlet's unspoken resentment

0:37:460:37:50

'and fury at his mother comes tumbling out.'

0:37:500:37:53

'He is disgusted by her inconstancy, her stupidity and, worst of all,

0:37:530:37:58

'as he sees it, her promiscuity.'

0:37:580:38:01

You cannot call it love, for at your age

0:38:030:38:06

The heyday in the blood is tame, it's humble,

0:38:060:38:08

And waits upon the judgment: and what judgment

0:38:080:38:11

Would step from this to this?

0:38:110:38:12

O Hamlet, speak no more:

0:38:120:38:15

Thou turn'st mine eyes into my very soul;

0:38:150:38:18

And there I see such black and grained spots

0:38:200:38:24

As will not leave their tinct.

0:38:240:38:27

Nay, but to live

0:38:270:38:28

In the rank sweat of an enseamed bed,

0:38:280:38:30

Stew'd in corruption, honeying and making love

0:38:300:38:33

Over the nasty sty -

0:38:330:38:35

Speak to me no more!

0:38:350:38:36

'A son confronting his own mother's sexuality is an uneasy enough

0:38:380:38:42

'prospect for a modern audience,

0:38:420:38:44

'but Hamlet has barely been out of performance in 400 years,

0:38:440:38:47

'so previous generations have clearly found their own way

0:38:470:38:51

'of coming to terms with such taboo material.'

0:38:510:38:54

Ah, Michael!

0:38:540:38:56

-David.

-Hello.

0:38:560:38:58

-How are you doing?

-Fine, fine.

0:38:590:39:01

Thank you for coming along.

0:39:010:39:02

'Theatre historian Michael Dobson has tracked the stage history

0:39:020:39:06

'of what has become known as the "closet scene".'

0:39:060:39:09

Well, closet in Shakespeare's time means a kind of private office

0:39:120:39:16

it's in your private apartments,

0:39:160:39:18

-it's near your bedroom, but it's not actually a bedroom.

-Right.

0:39:180:39:22

'One of the earliest representations we have of this scene

0:39:220:39:26

'shows Thomas Betterton playing Hamlet in the 17th century,'

0:39:260:39:29

'with two chairs placed a fair distance apart.'

0:39:290:39:34

Shall I be mother?

0:39:350:39:36

Yeah, you be Gertrude, you sit there, and Betterton has been

0:39:360:39:40

sitting down, talking to his mother, apparently from about this distance.

0:39:400:39:43

With tea and sandwiches, possibly?

0:39:430:39:45

-Well, yeah. It's all terribly respectful.

-It is.

0:39:450:39:48

'Only in later productions does the scene tend to move to the bedroom,

0:39:480:39:52

'with Sigmund Freud's influence suggesting that Hamlet

0:39:520:39:55

'might actually be in love with his mother.'

0:39:550:39:57

It doesn't get manically all about what they're doing on the bed

0:39:590:40:02

until J Barrymore in the States in the 1920's,

0:40:020:40:06

and he's read Freud and he says that, as far as he's concerned,

0:40:060:40:10

Hamlet is mother-fixated.

0:40:100:40:12

He decides to actually stage it that way,

0:40:120:40:14

decides that his Hamlet is explained by the relationship with his mother.

0:40:140:40:18

So, how much do we know about his staging in particular?

0:40:180:40:21

What did he do?

0:40:210:40:22

He kissed his mother on the lips.

0:40:220:40:23

That's the big sign that he gives that this is really

0:40:230:40:27

what it's all about and that it's not normal.

0:40:270:40:29

Right.

0:40:290:40:30

He's the first one who does that,

0:40:300:40:32

and that line is then taken up by Olivier.

0:40:320:40:34

I must be cruel, only to be kind:

0:40:390:40:42

The trouble I have is that being repulsed by your parents' sexuality

0:40:440:40:48

is not the same as being drawn to it.

0:40:480:40:50

Yeah.

0:40:500:40:51

It strikes me that there's an absolute childlike fury

0:40:510:40:55

and disgust at that, rather than any kind of romantic yearning.

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I never wanted to snog my mother in that scene,

0:41:010:41:03

I just wanted to slap her.

0:41:030:41:07

But I think one of the reasons that this scene

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sounds so particularly excessive and erotic and charged

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is that Hamlet is so wonderfully off the point.

0:41:140:41:17

I mean, he's just killed somebody, and she says,

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"Oh, my God, you've just killed somebody!",

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and he says, "Never mind that. Let's talk about your sex life."

0:41:220:41:26

It's so out of balance that he is continually

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going on about his mother's sex life,

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when there is this corpse here that he's just killed,

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that it makes it stand out so.

0:41:350:41:38

'However you decide to play the closet scene,

0:41:410:41:43

'by the end of it, Hamlet is at the mercy of the man he loathes.'

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After Hamlet has killed Polonius, things are changed for ever.

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The king, now knowing his life is in danger,

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is determined to get rid of Hamlet and sends him away overseas.

0:41:590:42:03

Events are spiralling out of control.

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From here on in, the play shifts a gear.

0:42:050:42:08

'Hamlet is banished to England and although he eventually

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'manages to escape his captors and return to Denmark,

0:42:140:42:16

'in his absence, Ophelia, his one-time love

0:42:160:42:22

'and the daughter of Polonius, has lost her mind and drowned herself.'

0:42:220:42:26

'Unaware of this, on his way back to Elsinore,

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'Hamlet happens upon a freshly dug grave,

0:42:350:42:38

'little knowing it is meant for Ophelia.

0:42:380:42:41

Here, in one of the play's most recognisable moments,

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Hamlet comes face-to-face with mortality.

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His clutch.

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How long will a man lie the earth ere he rot?

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Faith, if he be not rotten before he die

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some eight year, nine year.

0:43:080:43:10

Here's a skull now; lain in the earth some three and twenty years.

0:43:120:43:17

Whose was it?

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This same skull, sir, was Yorick's skull, the king's jester.

0:43:180:43:23

Let me see.

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'Hamlet beside Yorick's grave

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'is perhaps the most enduring image the play throws up.'

0:43:350:43:38

'The danger is that familiarity will rob the scene of its impact.'

0:43:380:43:42

'In staging the play,

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'we were blessed with a powerful reminder of Yorick's humanity.'

0:43:440:43:47

We're on our way now to the RSC's props repository,

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to look at something that was a very important part of our production.

0:43:530:43:57

Hello, I'm David.

0:44:000:44:02

Hi, Catherine.

0:44:020:44:03

-Hi, Catherine. How are you doing?

-I'm OK, thank you.

0:44:030:44:06

Good.

0:44:060:44:07

Brilliant.

0:44:110:44:12

This is our Yorick.

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He was a Polish composer and pianist called Andre Tchaikowsky,

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and when he died in the early 80s, he bequeathed his head

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to be used in a production of Hamlet by the RSC.

0:44:270:44:31

He wanted to play Yorick.

0:44:310:44:33

So, here he is. This is Andre.

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He was introduced to us by our director, Greg,

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on the first day of rehearsals, as the final member of the company.

0:44:410:44:44

There was a variety of reactions, I think,

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to having a real human head in the production.

0:44:480:44:53

Some people found it difficult.

0:44:530:44:55

I must say, personally, I was rather excited by it.

0:44:550:44:58

It's one of the cliches of the play, now, an actor holding a skull,

0:44:580:45:02

and the trouble with the cliche is it loses meaning,

0:45:020:45:07

but if you are presented with an actual person's skull,

0:45:070:45:12

a real bit of human,

0:45:120:45:16

then Hamlet's speech about Yorick and about staring into the skull

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of a man he knew well becomes all the more potent

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when you're aware that you're holding somebody's head,

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quite literally, in your hands.

0:45:300:45:32

There he is.

0:45:330:45:34

Andre was there.

0:45:360:45:37

I feel very pleased to have helped him fulfil his ambition.

0:45:380:45:42

Those lips that I have kissed I know not how oft.

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Where be your gibes now?

0:45:540:45:56

Your gambols? Your songs?

0:45:570:45:58

Your flashes of merriment, that were wont to set the table on a roar?

0:45:590:46:03

Not one now, to mock your own grinning?

0:46:040:46:06

Quite chop-fallen?

0:46:080:46:09

-Prithee, Horatio, tell me one thing.

-What's that, my lord?

0:46:110:46:14

-Dost thou think Alexander looked o' this fashion i' the earth?

-Even so.

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Imperious Caesar, dead and turn'd to clay.

0:46:190:46:24

My best friend's mum has just died, and it's the first time

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someone of my age has lost a parent.

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The idea of what life is and how someone being there

0:46:430:46:46

and then they're just flesh,

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or they're just remains, just bones,

0:46:500:46:53

and if that's what someone is reduced to,

0:46:530:46:56

what were they to begin with? What is a life?

0:46:560:46:59

Those things become more...

0:46:590:47:01

..more mysterious, more potent as you get older.

0:47:030:47:06

They are questions you go through your whole life looking at, aren't they?

0:47:090:47:13

The play pauses to hold a mirror up to mortality,

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but before long, Hamlet is back at court, confronting his own destiny.

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Will he be a revenging hero?

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Can he kill a king?

0:47:300:47:32

In London, at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art,

0:47:340:47:37

students are rehearsing the play's final scene.

0:47:370:47:40

Move more, and it'll look faster,

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but it'll actually be slower for you.

0:48:000:48:03

On returning to the court, Hamlet gets involved a contest

0:48:040:48:06

between himself and Laertes, the son of Polonius - the man he killed.

0:48:060:48:12

Great. That's when I want you to start moving.

0:48:200:48:23

This contest will involve the entire court.

0:48:260:48:28

It is the climax of the play,

0:48:280:48:30

and yet Hamlet, told at the beginning of the play

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to take revenge for his father's death, has planned none of this.

0:48:350:48:40

It was the king's idea.

0:48:400:48:42

Instead of finally deciding that he is going to do what

0:48:440:48:48

he has said all along that he's going to do,

0:48:480:48:52

he gets involved in a wager

0:48:520:48:55

that his uncle, of all people,

0:48:550:48:59

has put on his skills at fencing,

0:48:590:49:02

and there's no plan that Hamlet has articulated

0:49:020:49:06

that's going to lead from this sword fight in the court

0:49:060:49:10

to vengeance on his uncle.

0:49:100:49:12

It seems to happen randomly.

0:49:120:49:14

'So, ironically, this contest is not Hamlet's plan,

0:49:140:49:19

'but the King's plot to kill him.'

0:49:190:49:22

'Claudius has enlisted Laertes,

0:49:220:49:25

'eager to avenge the death of Polonius.'

0:49:250:49:28

'A blunted sword will be exchanged for a sharp one.'

0:49:280:49:32

You may choose a sword unblunted, and in a pass of practise

0:49:320:49:37

Requite him for your father.

0:49:370:49:39

I will do it.

0:49:390:49:40

'Laertes also plans to put poison on the point of his sword

0:49:400:49:43

'to make sure Hamlet will die.'

0:49:430:49:46

'Hamlet knows none of this,

0:49:460:49:49

'and although he has misgivings about how the fight will turn out,

0:49:490:49:52

'he now seems determined to surrender to his fate.'

0:49:520:49:56

If your mind dislike of anything, obey it:

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I will forestall their repair hither, and say you are not fit.

0:49:580:50:01

Not a whit.

0:50:010:50:02

We defy augury.

0:50:040:50:06

There's a special providence in the fall of a sparrow.

0:50:090:50:11

If it be now,

0:50:140:50:16

'tis not to come.

0:50:160:50:17

If it be not to come, it will be now.

0:50:190:50:21

If it be not now,

0:50:240:50:26

yet it will come.

0:50:270:50:28

He is a very, very different character. His mood is different.

0:50:300:50:34

There's a wonderful serenity and resignation about him

0:50:340:50:37

at that point.

0:50:370:50:38

"If it be not now, it is to come."

0:50:380:50:40

"if it be not to come, it is now."

0:50:400:50:42

"The readiness is all. Let be."

0:50:420:50:45

That great, almost oriental idea of let it be, what will be will be.

0:50:450:50:50

There is a real inner peace that he's reached, there.

0:50:500:50:53

'And so the contest begins.'

0:50:540:50:57

Come on, sir.

0:50:590:51:00

Judgment!

0:51:000:51:02

A hit, a very palpable hit.

0:51:020:51:04

Hamlet starts well. He wins the first point.

0:51:040:51:08

Stay; Give him the cup.

0:51:080:51:09

'He avoids a poisoned drink offered by Claudius

0:51:100:51:13

'in case Laertes should fail.'

0:51:130:51:15

I'll play this bout first; set it by awhile.

0:51:150:51:17

But the queen, apparently unaware of the plot, drinks.

0:51:180:51:23

It is the poison'd cup.

0:51:240:51:27

'Impatient to kill Hamlet, Laertes lashes out.'

0:51:270:51:30

Have at you now!

0:51:300:51:31

'In the confusion, swords get exchanged

0:51:330:51:35

'and Laertes is wounded with his own poisoned tip.'

0:51:350:51:40

How does the queen?

0:51:430:51:44

She swoons to see them bleed.

0:51:440:51:45

No, no, the drink, the drink.

0:51:450:51:51

O my dear Hamlet.

0:51:520:51:54

The drink, the drink!

0:51:570:51:59

'With poison in his blood, Hamlet cannot escape his own death

0:52:020:52:05

'but, at last, he ensures the king will die, too.'

0:52:050:52:09

Here,

0:52:100:52:11

thou incestuous, murderous, damned Dane,

0:52:140:52:19

Drink off this potion.

0:52:190:52:20

Is thy union here?

0:52:260:52:28

Follow my mother.

0:52:310:52:33

'Hamlet has finally succeeded in avenging his father's death,

0:52:420:52:45

'although more by accident than design.'

0:52:460:52:49

'He has had little control over any of this.'

0:52:500:52:53

Now, Hamlet has to face his own death

0:52:550:52:58

in the arms of his only true friend, Horatio.

0:52:580:53:02

If thou didst ever hold me in thy heart

0:53:050:53:08

Absent thee from felicity awhile,

0:53:080:53:11

And in this harsh world draw thy breath in pain,

0:53:110:53:15

To tell my story.

0:53:150:53:18

O, I die, Horatio;

0:53:200:53:23

The potent poison quite o'er-crows my spirit:

0:53:250:53:29

The rest is silence.

0:53:340:53:38

That final speech, the sense of Hamlet looking into the afterlife,

0:53:520:53:57

for someone who has fretted whether there is one or not,

0:53:570:54:02

it was certainly in my mind that "The rest is silence"

0:54:020:54:06

was a sense of relief, that, actually,

0:54:060:54:09

there's nothing else to worry about.

0:54:090:54:11

I'm staring into the afterlife now, and it's just a void.

0:54:110:54:15

Thank goodness for that.

0:54:160:54:18

I mean, the big question for me, and I still don't know the answer.

0:54:210:54:25

"The rest is silence."

0:54:250:54:26

Is that the rest of life, or is that the rest,

0:54:260:54:28

the rest in himself is silence?

0:54:280:54:30

And he doesn't have to speak any more.

0:54:300:54:32

Yeah, well.

0:54:320:54:33

You know? There's a beautiful sense of calm.

0:54:330:54:37

I always felt very calm in that moment, and quite happy.

0:54:370:54:41

It's funny.

0:54:430:54:44

My memory, talking about it, is much more about how I was feeling,

0:54:440:54:47

and talking about it, I keep thinking I've got to talk

0:54:470:54:50

about the part, but actually I'm trying to think where I was at.

0:54:500:54:52

Yes, but the two end up being very meshed, don't they?

0:54:520:54:56

Yeah, I think they do.

0:54:560:54:58

'For others, the fact that Hamlet bids Horatio

0:54:580:55:01

'to tell what has happened,

0:55:010:55:04

'to tell his story, means there will be life after the silence.'

0:55:040:55:09

What is so powerful about the end of Hamlet - it's a deeply powerful ending -

0:55:110:55:15

is the moment when he transfers his story to Horatio,

0:55:150:55:18

He says, "In this harsh world,

0:55:180:55:21

"draw thy breath in pain

0:55:210:55:23

"to tell my story."

0:55:230:55:25

So he will not have lived in vain.

0:55:250:55:28

We are also being told to tell the story, to perform the play again.

0:55:280:55:35

It does not end in nothing.

0:55:350:55:37

It does not end in "The rest is silence."

0:55:370:55:40

It ends, in fact, in the injunction to replay the play.

0:55:400:55:43

If thou didst ever hold me in thy heart

0:55:450:55:50

Absent thee from felicity awhile,

0:55:530:55:55

And in this harsh world, draw thy breath in pain,

0:55:580:56:03

To tell my story.

0:56:060:56:07

'But am I any nearer to understanding

0:56:130:56:15

'why every successive age has identified with Hamlet?'

0:56:150:56:19

Of course, there's no answer to this,

0:56:210:56:23

but do you have any sense of what it is about it that's so unique?

0:56:230:56:26

It tackles the fundamental themes

0:56:260:56:32

of perhaps what we all ask.

0:56:320:56:35

Why are we here? What is the point of us being here?

0:56:350:56:38

All these huge things which, I think, just dealing with

0:56:400:56:43

being a living, breathing human being, we have to ask ourselves,

0:56:430:56:47

at some point, or feel, at some point, are in this play.

0:56:470:56:51

I remember having conversations in the summer,

0:56:530:56:55

after we'd finished the run, with people,

0:56:550:56:57

and we'd be talking about something

0:56:570:56:59

completely nothing to do with the play,

0:56:590:57:01

and I'd go, "It's like Hamlet when he says this."

0:57:010:57:03

Everything would refer back to Hamlet for about six months.

0:57:030:57:06

It seemed like it explained everything,

0:57:060:57:10

or the answer to everything was there.

0:57:100:57:12

'In the end, there just is no other character like him.'

0:57:150:57:19

I remember, in the last day of filming,

0:57:200:57:22

thinking I'm so proud to have done that,

0:57:220:57:25

I'm so pleased that that's something I got to do,

0:57:250:57:27

and now I will never go there again, and there was a huge relief to that,

0:57:290:57:33

because it was like having a weight lifted off your shoulders.

0:57:330:57:36

And then, you know, three years on,

0:57:380:57:43

I do find myself, I catch myself

0:57:430:57:47

slightly fantasising about doing it again,

0:57:470:57:49

and going back there and seeing what that would feel like,

0:57:490:57:53

but that way madness quite literally lies.

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