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One myth of modern art is that it began like a prophet in the desert, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
the avant-garde, the rejected outsider armed with truth. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
Today, that myth is lost. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
At the start of the '70s, the idea of an avant-garde in painting and sculpture was winding down. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:11 | |
It's now over, part of a period style. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
In the meantime, modernism itself has become our official culture. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:19 | |
This is not a building. It's a sculpture. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
Not finished yet, but one of the largest of the 20th century | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
and a long way from the art world. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
This valley is in the Nevada Desert, 5,500 feet up | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
and four hours' hard drive over bared roads from Las Vegas. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
It's also on the edge of the Nuclear Proving Grounds. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
The artist, Michael Heizer, is an American. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
The piece is called Complex One. He started it in 1972. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
40 metres long, 33 wide and seven high. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
A colossal task. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
At the most, a couple of dozen strangers see it in a year, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
so it has a smaller audience than Cubism did 70 years ago. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
It can never be moved, no museum will ever take it in | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
and reproduction gives no real idea of it. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
We are at the end of modernity, and modern art has found its mass audience. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
So one of the last acts of modernism was, so to speak, to return to the desert | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
and to retreat from those who wanted to smother it with love, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
and discover in physical isolation the kind of parallel and equivalent | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
to the cultural isolation that was the fate of the original avant-garde. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:18 | |
-Sure. I invented that idea... -'Michael Heizer.' | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
The idea that there are no values attached to something like this | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
because it's not portable and not a malleable barter exchange object. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
And that says it. You can't trade this thing. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
You can't put it in your pocket. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
If you have a war, you can't move it around. It's not worth anything. In fact, it's an obligation. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:42 | |
The theory is that art and land | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
are the things that have the greatest value. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
Here you have both art and land, if either is usable, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
and neither are worth very much. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
I think all large sculptures have been technically difficult | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
for all people who ever built them. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
I think that I haven't tried to surpass that scale. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
I simply tried to keep pace with it, and it's a historical scale. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
I think that it's normal and natural | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
to build a sculpture of this measurement at this time. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
Why make such things? | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
Why spend so long constructing something so big and hard to get to? | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
Partly to change a work's relation to the art world as a system, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
to get it out of the stream of opinion about art | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
and the stream of official culture and money exchange. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
Isolation is the essence of land art. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
Remoteness gives all efforts to see it the character of a pilgrimage. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
Going to it, you have in a sense said yes to it before you see it, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
and given more time to it than most would give to looking at a sculpture in a museum. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:54 | |
But the idea that a museum would even bother with advanced art is a fairly new one. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
The notion that it could become the place | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
where modernist credentials would be sealed and stamped is even newer. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
This was largely an American invention. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
One of the illusions of the 19th century at the start of the museum age in America | 0:05:08 | 0:05:13 | |
was the idea that art morally improved you. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
I think that I can testify that it does not. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
Nevertheless, the idea of social improvement through art | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
struck a responsive chord in the American rich who now began to spend | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
hundreds of millions of dollars on the setting up, the building and endowment of museums. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
It may be that some of them felt, on a quite deep level, that this was tantamount to a religious act. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:35 | |
And they all knew it was tax deductible. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
God loveth the cheerful giver, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
and the donors had every reason to feel cheerful. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
The earlier American robber barons - Morgan, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
Frick, Carnegie - could amass monuments to themselves, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
monuments of past art housed in neo-renaissance palaces. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
But the great change came in 1929, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
when the Museum of Modern Art was founded in New York. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
Today, it seems such a natural title. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
Then, it seemed very odd indeed. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
Wasn't the avant-garde against museums on principle? | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
Hadn't the futurists wanted to burn them down? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
No European museum was trying to collect modern art in a systematic way. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
The idea of doing so was largely the work of Alfred Barr, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
who persuaded a growing circle of millionaires, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
seated on the Rockefeller family, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
to underwrite a museum that would treat modernism as a historical fact, the culture of their time. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:40 | |
Its present senior curator, William Reuben, recalls the policy. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:45 | |
I think Alfred Barr's aims were first to make a synoptic collection of modern art. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:51 | |
That is to say, to show all schools from all nations, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
as opposed, let us say, to the groups of modern art that one found in European museums, | 0:06:55 | 0:07:00 | |
which were heavily weighed towards the nation in which the museums were located. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:05 | |
To try to balance these according to what he saw as their quality and importance, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
rather than their provenance. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
This meant, also, not following any particular line - | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
that is, toward abstraction or not abstraction or whatever. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
Nevertheless, I think it would be fair to say | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
that there was a sense of avant-gardism that lay behind this, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
a force that led to radical painting | 0:07:28 | 0:07:34 | |
being more prized than, let us say, conservative realistic paintings | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
of a type that the public was more familiar with. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
By 1950, the MoMA, as New Yorkers call it with a sort of Oedipal affection, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
had put together a collection of 20th-century art that no European museum could rival. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
It didn't take sides. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
All rivalries and differences of ideological splits were recorded on the museum walls | 0:07:56 | 0:08:02 | |
not in a partisan spirit, but as cultural facts. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
The museum wanted everything and its opposite. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
It defused the tensions of all moments | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
by rendering them historical. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
From now on, modernism would tend to seem noble and exemplary, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
rather than tense and controversial. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
So now the metaphors of temple and treasure house, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
once the property of museums of traditional art, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
could apply to modernity, too. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
Scores of new museums were built in America in the '60s. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
Most of them looked like fortresses, culture bunkers | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
radiating an image of vast security. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
This one, the Hirshhorn Museum in Washington is, in effect, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
the set for The Guns Of Navarone without the guns. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
But the climax of the trend happened just across the street. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
The National Gallery in Washington had been built and paid for | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
by one of America's older mercantile princes, Andrew Mellon, in 1941. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
Several decades later, his descendants and their foundation, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
laid out close to 100 million to construct this new East Building. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
Its main feature was this enormous nave. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
People could enjoy the sensation of being in the church of art | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
without actually being obliged to pray. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
If ever a museum set up a building whose main function | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
was to praise its own stature as an institution, this was it. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
The galleries themselves were relegated to the corners. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
The cost of this remarkable essay in museological splendour | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
was a third of the price of a nuclear submarine, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
which puts it in one perspective. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
On the other hand, it was about twice the Gross National Product of some African states, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
which may put it in another. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
This may be pondered by anyone | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
who does not think modernism is our official culture. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
The result of such expansions is to turn the museum | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
from a sort of articulated tomb into a low-rating mass medium. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
BRASS BAND PLAYS | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
We have before us here, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
in concrete, marble and glass, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
a tangible demonstration that excellence | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
and access to a wide public | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
are far from being contradictory. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
They are complementary. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
This building stands as a metaphor for what, at its best, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
the relationship between Government and the arts can be. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
Meanwhile, the interlock between new art, capital, real estate, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
education, displaced piety and show biz has gathered enough power | 0:11:04 | 0:11:09 | |
to transform whole neighbourhoods outside the museum. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
# I'm in with the "In" crowd | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
# I go where the "In" crowd goes | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
# I'm in with the "In" crowd | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
# And I know what the "In" crowd knows | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
# Any time of the year, don't you hear how to have fun... # | 0:11:29 | 0:11:35 | |
When I came to New York to live in 1970, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
I moved into a downtown industrial district | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
which, because it was south of Houston Street, was christened SoHo. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
In those days, there were two art galleries in SoHo. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
There were two Italian bars, no restaurants, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
no tourists and quite a lot of peace and quiet. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
Today, nine years later, there are 75 galleries, at last count, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
dozens of restaurants and bars, and on weekends, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
when the peering hordes of dentists from New Jersey | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
come down here to take their Gucci loafers for a walk among the bubble top buses, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
there is very little peace and quiet indeed. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
# ..We've got our own way of walkin' | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
# We've got our own way of talkin' | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
# Any time of the year, don't you hear | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
# Gotta have fun | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
# Spendin' cash, talkin' trash | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
# Girl, I'll show you a real good time | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
# Come on with me and leave your troubles behind | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
# I don't care where you've been | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
# You ain't been nowhere till you've been "In"... # | 0:12:49 | 0:12:55 | |
Such are the healing and transforming powers of art. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
In the 19th century, artists used to live in "bohemias", | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
which were interesting but not chic. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
Today, they make places chic by moving in, at least for a short time, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
until the landlords raise the rent and boot them out so they have to go somewhere else. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
This process is known as urban renewal. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
The SoHo recipe of the art colony as a huge boutique, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
post-modernism and designer jeans, happened to other places, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
like this part of Paris around Les Halles. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
It was bulldozed flat in the 1970s to make room for a development | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
whose core was the Pompidou Centre. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
The Centre opened in 1977. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
If the monument of the start of modernism was the Eiffel Tower, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
this is the one at its end. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
A palace of French centralisation, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
a cross between a prison and a construction toy. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
It's a very metaphorical building. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
Although the pipes and ventilators stop practically all natural light from getting in - | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
quite a trick in a metal and glass structure - | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
they suggest industrial process, like an oil refinery. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
In the 1920s, Russian constructivist architects | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
designed palaces of culture which were never built. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
This Marxist ideal of the museum as a social condenser | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
was only translated into fact in capitalist Paris 60 years later. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
For blocks around, the quarter has been gutted and remade | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
in the French version of the SoHo mix, full of little galleries | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
selling little art and neat studio apartments for young trendies. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
Where the belly of Paris used to be, culture gulch now stands. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
If anyone had suggested 30 years ago that the fallout from modern art | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
would produce such mutations, nobody would have believed it. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
This is what happens when big concentrations of social interests | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
decide to use modern art as their aiming point. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
The irony is that the institutional triumph of the new | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
happens just when the old social uses of art, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
whose residue gave the idea of the avant-garde its meaning, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
have almost withered away. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
PERFORMER ANNOUNCES IN FRENCH | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
In the 15th century, one of these uses was to inform and to explain. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
Where did you get information about the world and how to live in it? | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
Well, not from magazines or newspapers. They didn't exist. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
Not from books, either, because in the 15th century | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
the idea of mass printing was hardly even an idea. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
500 years ago, you and I probably would have been illiterate. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
This left two other channels of information. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
One was the spoken word. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
That included everything from village gossip to the high rhetoric of the altar and pulpit. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:06 | |
The other one was visual images - painting and sculpture. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
Of these, painting was the more eloquent, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
with its much greater power of visual illusion | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
and its adaptability to almost any given surface. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:22 | |
This chapel in the church of San Clemente in Rome | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
was painted by an artist named Masolino da Panicale. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
500 years later, we can look at his work with a tourist's eye or with an art historian's. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
The one thing we cannot do is see it with the eye of his own audience. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
Because that eye supposed, as our culture no longer does, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
that painting was one of the primary dominant forms of public speech. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:47 | |
Painting explains and describes - and here it describes a legend. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:53 | |
The task of painting was to make it vivid and tangible and credible, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
to insert the legend into the life of people who gathered here | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
so that it would strengthen their faith and alter their beliefs, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
and so compel behaviour. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
That, as I understand it, is what public art fundamentally | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
has always been about. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
But today we have no credible public art | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
because other media have taken its old power away. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
Throughout its history, up to the end of the 19th century, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
art kept this didactic purpose. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
It showed people what to worship, what to pray to, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
whom to believe, what values to adopt. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
It was the main generator of social symbols. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
Today, the whole issue of the use of public art is in question. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
Most of the time, our ancestors assumed it was the main purpose of painting. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:47 | |
The object could be tiny and precious, like a religious icon. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
Or it could be as big as David's Oath of the Horatii, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
which was a political item | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
made to teach republican virtue to the French. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
We know that art is about pleasure, too. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
And fear. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
And tranquil meditation beyond politics. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
And a host of things as wide as the range of human feeling itself. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:15 | |
But up to the end of the 19th century, the importance of art | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
was usually bound up with its role as public discourse. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
Without that role, there would have been no avant-garde, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
because if art doesn't embody values, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
it can't act as a conscience. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
That was what the avant-garde set out to be | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
when it made its debut in the mid 19th-century - | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
the conscience of a class, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
its traditional enemy and chief patron, the bourgeoisie. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
What made the avant-garde possible in France, where it was born, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
was the salon system. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
Instead of a circle of artists trying to get work from one prince or bishop, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
you had hundreds, even thousands, of easel paintings | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
competing for the attention of thousands of middle-class people. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
It was more like a bazaar than a court, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
and it gave more room for invention and scandal and liberty. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
Anyone could send a picture in, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
though there was no guarantee that it would be hung. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
The salon was the theatre | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
in which the drama of offending the bourgeois was played out. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
Hilton Kramer, art critic of the New York Times. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
The relationship of the avant-garde to the middle class is enormously complicated | 0:19:32 | 0:19:37 | |
because it, like everything else in modern culture, was so changeable. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:45 | |
Er... The initial collision, the initial challenge, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
always, within a single generation, was resolved into an embrace. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
What was established taste for the bourgeoisie in one generation | 0:19:55 | 0:20:01 | |
was abandoned in the subsequent generation | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
for the taste of what had been conceived to be avant-garde. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
It's a great misunderstanding of the history book of 19th-century culture | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
and of our own in the 20th century | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
to hold on to the notion of the avant-garde | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
as sort of permanent cultural guerillas | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
making their forays into, er... middle-class wealth. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:29 | |
They actually were more like family, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
in which there were conflicts of generations. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
And in the end, as often happens in families, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
when the wills were read, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
the avant-garde turned out to be the beneficiary after all. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
The first great painter to embody the ideal of the avant-garde | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
was Gustave Courbet in the 1850s and '60s. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
In politics, a radical. In art, a realist. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
In person, an invincible and solid egotist | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
who could show himself greeting even the sea on equal terms. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
He called himself "the most arrogant man in France". | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
When asked which school he belonged to, he replied, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
"I'm a Courbetist, that's all. My painting is the only true one. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
"I am the first and unique artist of this century. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
"The others are students or drivellers." | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
Courbet's work can only be understood | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
in relation to the public that he was struggling to create. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
This public, he hoped, would crystallise | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
out of the mass audience of the salons around the idea of realism, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
a public which accepted that art should be challenging and problematic. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
In short, the public for modern art itself. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
He set himself firmly against the reigning taste of his day, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
and the penalty was insult. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
"From what fabulous mating of a slug with a peacock, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
"from what genital antithesis, from what fatty oozings | 0:21:58 | 0:22:03 | |
"can have been generated this thing called Monsieur Gustave Courbet? | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
"Under what gardener's cloche with the help of what manure, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
"as a result of what mixture of wine, beer, corrosive mucous and flatulent swellings | 0:22:11 | 0:22:17 | |
"can have grown this sonorous and hairy pumpkin, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
"this aesthetic belly, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
"this imbecilic and impotent incarnation of the self?" | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
They don't write art criticism like that any more. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
Not because of editorial timidity or the law of libel, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
but because nobody feels threatened by works of art the way that Dumas felt threatened by Courbet. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
He used the kind of language that societies use to protect themselves and to punish offenders. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
Its frenzied insult was, in a way, a back-handed compliment | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
because it sprang from an intense belief that it mattered what art said | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
and that works of art had real consequences in the real world. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
To change the language of art, the official visual speech of France, | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
was like seizing the radio station and changing the programmes. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
The new could only shock as long as it was constantly underwritten by the old. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
Otherwise, why get excited by bits of paint on canvas? | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
From Courbet onwards, the idea of the avant-garde artist | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
as a Bolshevist or anarchist was fixed in the public mind. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
It contributed to the idea that modern art owed nothing to the past | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
and was opposed to all traditions. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
This was nonsense, but it was durable nonsense. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
I think that the principal radical effect | 0:23:31 | 0:23:36 | |
that the avant-garde has on society, and has had on society, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
doesn't take place directly in the realm of politics, but takes place in the realm of style and feeling. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:48 | |
That is, it prepares the educated segment of the society | 0:23:48 | 0:23:53 | |
to question the values that have been handed down. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
It...creates a kind of ferment... | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
which prepares the way for vast political change. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:07 | |
Its role is to create a model of dissent. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
Today, painting and sculpture | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
scarcely have the power left to create such a model. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
All that happens is, now and again, usually in England or Australia, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
people get worked up about some object | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
because it's seemed not worth the money a museum paid for it. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
So it was with Carl Andre's 120 Bricks. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
The essential difference between this kind of sculpture | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
and any that existed in the past, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
is that this depends, not just a bit, but totally on the museum. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:40 | |
A Rodin in a parking lot is still a misplaced Rodin. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
But this in a parking lot is just bricks. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
In this way, a museum becomes a nearly equal partner with the artist. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
It helps create the work by providing the only place | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
where an array of bricks can be seen as art | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
and fitted into the context | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
of a minor modern art movement called minimalism. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
On the street, minimalism doesn't exist. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
There are only things. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
This piece by the American sculptor Donald Judd, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
if you saw it outside the gallery, is just a row of plywood boxes. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
The museum gives it a slot in a debate about the nature and limits of art, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
and that was the content of the work. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
The Nirvana of boredom that minimalism promised | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
was the exact opposite of the fantasies of action and involvement | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
that political art held out. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
CROWD CHEERING | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
But the real field of modernist experience | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
lies somewhere between dumb mass propaganda on one hand | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
and the silences of a dying avant-garde on the other. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
That experience is not collective. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
In front of a Matisse, you do not hear the chant of surging millions. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
You hear one voice carefully explaining itself to one person - | 0:25:51 | 0:25:56 | |
the interested stranger, yourself. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
Most of the great voices of modernity | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
come from neither the left nor the right of society, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
but from just outside it. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
The basic reason why the avant-garde had so little influence on action | 0:26:11 | 0:26:16 | |
and such a lot on sensibility is that it was solitary. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
William Reuben. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:21 | |
Religious painting ceases. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
The painting of the political leader disappears. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
The painting of history, as such, disappears. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
All the themes that belong to the collectivity, so to say, disappear. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:35 | |
One of the ways we can define modern art, if we want to, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
is that it has been an art that did not engage itself in the old collectivities, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
but rather in the much more limited world of the experience of the artist himself | 0:26:43 | 0:26:48 | |
and of the people who loved and were interested in that world. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
This world of the artist has since been commercialised and various other things have happened to it, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:59 | |
but in its essence, it was a private world | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
as opposed to the public world which characterised pre-modern art. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
This recoil from the public stance didn't only happen in abstract art. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
It came in depictive art as well. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
There is an immense gap between the ambitions of a Courbet | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
and those of an American realist sculptor like George Segal. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
His subject is not so much human sociability | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
as the difficulty of any kind of communication at all. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
In fact, over the last 25 years, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
the art of social commentary has been the exception and not the rule. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
One of these exceptions is Ed Kienholz, who makes big tableaus | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
charged with irony and grotesqueness | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
very much in the tradition of Berlin Dada, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
but starting with the American scene. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
CHATTER AND MUSIC | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
A bar and eaterie in Los Angeles called Barney's Beanery | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
formed one of these pieces, and Kienholz reconstructed it and its clientele. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
HUM OF CONVERSATION | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
SENTIMENTAL MUSIC PLAYS IN BACKGROUND | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
Most of the avant-garde style since Cubism were meant as a criticism of life. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
But the dominant museum style of the '60s certainly was not. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
This was the kind of color field painting | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
that developed out of Jackson Pollock's work, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
that atmospheric web of dripped paint, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
all free gesture and light touch. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
The artist who seized a duplicit delicacy was Helen Frankenthaler. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
In 1952, she painted Mountains and Sea, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
the progenitor of a whole school of stain painting. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
Her work held a constant thread of landscape images, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
but other painters who picked up | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
on her way of dying and staining the canvas dispensed with that. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
Morris Louis wanted to produce a decorative impersonal surface | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
from which everything that smacked of character, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
like a directional brushstroke or a change of texture, was excluded. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:35 | |
Kenneth Noland reduced the elements even further. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
Colour, not shape, is the origin of each painting. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
Noland could give it an airy energy | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
that offered a pure forceful hedonism to the eye. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
But that was all they did offer, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
and although more museum time and space was devoted to propagating it | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
in America than any other style or movement, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
the resources of color field painting | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
were looking pretty thin by the end of the '60s. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
It maintained itself as a mandarin style, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
but the Matissian heart was no longer in it. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
At the opposite pole of feeling, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
there were Frank Stella's paintings from the '70s, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
fuelled with a sort of maniacal decorative punch - | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
glitter, scribbling, congestion, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
big French curves swinging out of the design | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
like the feathers of some tropical bird. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
The sheer energy of this kind of work belies the idea, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
much talked about recently, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
that abstract painting, as such, is a dying form. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
As in a different way the paintings of Bridget Riley do. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
For abstract art can serve as a model for clear feeling. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
Here, it does. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:46 | |
It is very exact, showing what slips can happen in the process of seeing, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
and how insecure the pleasures of the eye may be. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
I don't think it's a small matter to be shown this. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
Although some people think such art has no content, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
one can take it that this process of seeing and feeling | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
set forth on the canvas IS the content - not a simple one, either. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:09 | |
Riley's kind of sharp, self-doubting talent, so finely tuned, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
was particularly vulnerable to attack. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
It wasn't merely decorative, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
but the commercial world made it seem so in the 1960s, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
by chewing her work up and spitting it out as Op art fashion. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
MUSIC: "Devil In Her Heart" by the Beatles | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
# She's got the devil in her heart... # | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
By the end of the '60s, the word "avant-garde" had been done in | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
by fashion on one side and, on the other, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
the market pressure for a new art movement every six months. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
# ..her lips they really thrill me | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
# I'll take my chances For romance is | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
# So important to me | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
# She'll never hurt me She won't desert me | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
# She's an angel sent to me | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
# She's got the devil in her heart No, no, no | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
# No, this I can't believe | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
# She's gonna tear your heart apart | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
# No, no nay will she deceive | 0:32:18 | 0:32:23 | |
# She's got the devil in her heart | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
# But she's an angel sent to me... # | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
The problem wasn't entirely defined by the fact that fashion had been taking ideas from artists. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
It had been doing that for 50 years. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
Art Deco was decorator Cubism, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
and a lot of linoleum owes its patterns to Mondrian. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
But now, the promotional world as a system | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
had fused with the art world as a system, and that was new. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
In a very insidious way, the idea of cultural confrontation | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
had been replaced by the idea of styling. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
And that was new, too. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
We were heading into a stage of meaningless tolerance | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
where nothing an artist could do would be thought really offensive | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
because there was always a chance that it might convert into capital. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
There was a flood of instant art for instant people. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
Vasarely to Warhole, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
all of it getting its 15 minutes of undivided attention | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
from a new class of collectors who saw its up-to-datedness | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
as a way of underwriting their social careers | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
or buying an up-to-date public relations image for their companies. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
The great emblem of the culture of quick results | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
was not any given work of art, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
it was the art market itself which began to boom | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
and has been going up ever since, as money goes down. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
I started writing about art 20 years ago. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
In those far-off days, you could spend time in a museum | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
without ever thinking about what the art might cost. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
The price was not relevant. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
Besides, price and value were completely distinct questions. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
But then, in the early '60s, something began to happen. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
First, there was a trickle and then a stream, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
and finally a great brown roaring flood of propaganda | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
about "art investment". | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
The price of a work of art now became part of its function. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
It redefined the art, whose new job was to sit on the wall and get more expensive. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:26 | |
The result was that, whereas before, works of art had been like strangers with whom one could converse | 0:34:26 | 0:34:32 | |
and whom one could gradually get to know, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
they now assumed, more and more, the character of film stars, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
with the museum as their limousine. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
I doubt if anybody, nowadays, can look at a Cubist Braque or a Rothko | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
or a Russian constructivist sculpture | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
without being deeply affected by the fact that the prices of these things | 0:34:48 | 0:34:53 | |
has become absurdly high. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
And that in some crucial sense, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
this has removed them from the run of ordinary experience. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
I think high price strikes people blind. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
I think it displaces the content of the work. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
You can't spend very much time writing about art | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
without realising how much criticism and scholarship, whether they want to or not, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:14 | |
end up serving that system whereby a bunch of brokers with faces like silver teapots | 0:35:14 | 0:35:19 | |
make fortunes flogging modern masterpieces | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
to another bunch of investors in Manhattan and Zurich. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
You may or may not find this depressing, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
but it certainly depresses me. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
David Bathurst of Christie's, New York. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
Well, it scares the hell out of me, frankly, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
because tulip mania, which is the most dramatic and historical | 0:35:37 | 0:35:42 | |
possible parallel with the situation at present, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
was rather like the South Sea Bubble. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
You get a perfectly straightforward market, a good strong market, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
an international market like the art market, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
and suddenly, for whatever reason, it becomes the flavour of the month. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
Art is the thing to put your money into. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
All sorts of people who have no interest in art, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
just AS art, as something which you should love and like and be interested in. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:12 | |
Suddenly, you're told you ought to be investing in art. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
Millions of people pour their money into works of art | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
and they expect it to perform in some way, like some magic stock. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
I have £3,000 bid for it. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
For £3,000... | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
£3,000. 200. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
500. 800. 4,000. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
At £4,000... | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
4,000. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
£4,000. Any more? | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
£4,000. 4,000. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
Any more? | 0:36:45 | 0:36:46 | |
The basic law of the art market is that art has no intrinsic value, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:53 | |
no value as material. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
Its price reflects only two things - desire and scarcity. | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
Its scarcity can be controlled, to some extent, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
and nothing is more manipulable than desire. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
High price isolates the star painting. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
It makes it a curiosity, a celebrity. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
And like other celebrities, both famous and only partly visible. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
You can't walk into a museum and look at a picture | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
which has been rammed down your throat in the newspapers only a month or year ago, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:26 | |
that this picture fetched two, three | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
and, in the case of the Valasquez in the Metropolitan Museum, 5.5 million, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
you can't look at it and totally put it out of your mind. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
You must be wondering, "Is that really worth 5.5 million?" | 0:37:35 | 0:37:40 | |
However marvellous the work of art is, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
this element must cloud your thinking quite heavily. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
It must dominate your thinking. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
Um... It's rather like... a pretty girl. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
You look at a pretty girl. That's lovely. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
Then you're told she's a gillionairess. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
This can - I'm sure it shouldn't - but there's no question, it affects your thinking. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:02 | |
It may affect it advantageously or disadvantageously. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
I'm sure, if you're a gentleman... you should totally ignore it, but it's impossible. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:12 | |
And, um... It's the same sort of thing. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
It does cloud your thinking, for better or for worse, | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
and I'm sure in many cases, practically all cases, for worse. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
Works of art, now, have become rather like gold ingots. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
People look at them and say, "Gosh!" | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
One reaction among artists in the '70s was to stop making objects altogether, | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
to make art which, in theory, couldn't be sold, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
art that was an event, leaving just its traces on film or tape. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
Performance art, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
which most people still have trouble seeing as art at all. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
It's a kind of high-intensity theatre and because its basic material is the artist's body | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
some performance pieces carry risk and pressure to an extreme. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
Like this by the Englishman Stuart Brisley, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
where he pushes himself almost to drowning in a tank. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
I am interested in placing the body in certain circumstances | 0:39:08 | 0:39:13 | |
whereby a certain strain occurs, where a certain tension occurs. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:19 | |
For example, being underwater. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
In this case, I was dealing with the problem of people | 0:39:21 | 0:39:26 | |
who almost drop out of the bottom of the social system | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
and become tramps or down and outs, or what have you. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
So that one has this kind of mute character. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:38 | |
That was one of the major elements in the piece | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
that I wanted to express. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
You can see what tradition such work belongs to. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
It's expressionism. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
But today, expressionism has collapsed inwards, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
leaving only one theme, the portrait, the artist himself, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
his own body seen both as subject and as object. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
If you wanted to find the crossing points between the early romanticism of American art | 0:40:13 | 0:40:18 | |
and the narcissism of the '70s, this would be one of them. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
This is The Mirrored Room designed by the artist Lucas Samaras in 1966. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:27 | |
Despite photography and all the ways we have of capturing an image, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
the mirror is still the main way we have of inspecting our own bodies. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:36 | |
For Samaras, the image in the mirror was both himself | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
and somebody else, an audience reacting to what he did. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:45 | |
So the mirror's a kind of magical split in the world of human relationships. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:50 | |
To see yourself multiplied forever inside a glass cube, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
that is a tremendous feat of narcissism. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
Even the table and the chair throw back little facets of oneself. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
Their own shape gets quite lost in this maze of reflections. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
Meanwhile, the reflections are infinite. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
They make up this huge crystalline panorama, like the night sky. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:17 | |
Like outer space, something very much bigger than the self, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
but artificial at the same time. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
When camera or videotape replace the mirror, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
you have body art. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
Its ancestry lies 50 years back, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
when Marcel Duchamp had a star shaved on the back of his head | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
and pretended to be Old Nick, the devil, with shaving cream. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
Probably its most interesting practitioner today lives in Vienna, | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
appropriately, since Vienna was the city of Freud, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
the cradle of psychoanalysis, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
and its culture was permeated by the expressionist desire to inspect and question the neurotic self. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:55 | |
ORGAN PLAYS "THE BLUE DANUBE" | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
ORCHESTRA PLAYS "THE BLUE DANUBE" | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
ORGAN CONCLUDES "THE BLUE DANUBE" | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
Today, the artist Arnulf Rainer draws inspiration | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
from photos of catatonic posers and grimaces in the mad house, | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
and acts out his own developments of them before a camera. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
Then, he alters them by drawing. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
SPEAKS IN GERMAN | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
INTERPRETER: Like all artists, I'm in a tradition of self-portraiture. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:27 | |
There is probably a special relationship to Van Gogh's and Schiele's self-portraits, | 0:43:27 | 0:43:32 | |
insofar as they're done in a very manneristic, heightened and exalted form... | 0:43:32 | 0:43:38 | |
CONTINUES SPEAKING IN GERMAN | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
..Perhaps it is important in general, | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
that I experience a strong identity between the expression of my body, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:56 | |
my pose and my psychological state. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
And then, it's important that I'm coordinated, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
that my whole body amalgamates into a unity. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
For instance, between the toe and the pupil, | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
there becomes a strong connection. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
And then, there are special criteria, | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
but that depends on my state of mind. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
Excitement or aggressiveness | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
or gliding or the will to exaggerate | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
or presumptuous lying. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
Then very soft tones, then threatening ones. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:39 | |
Although, in general, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
an inner uneasiness prevails. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
But there is a general feeling today | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
that the traditions of modernist imagery are closing. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
Thus, the domain of ideal sociable pleasure | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
of the world's delights unimpeded by irony, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
whose representatives were Bonnard and Matisse and Picasso, | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
scarcely appears in painting any more. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
It survives in the context of gay imagery in David Hockney's work. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
If it no longer has its Mozarts, at least Hockney is its Cole Porter, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
which is no mean thing to be. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
Meanwhile, the hope of the Dadas, surrealists and constructivists, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:46 | |
that art could influence politics, is gone. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
Perhaps the last artist to think otherwise is a German, Joseph Beuys, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:53 | |
a former Luftwaffe pilot whose happenings and manifestos | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
and celebrity as a Pied Piper of youth politics | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
have turned him into a strangely anomalous figure, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
a protestor against the German establishment | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
whose work is invested in by half the bankers in West Germany. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
But with the end of modern art, art starts, for me, you know? | 0:46:10 | 0:46:16 | |
With the end of modern art, art is not dying, | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
art comes to birth, that is my idea. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
But then it is a real understanding of art. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
It is an anthropological understanding of art. Everybody is an artist then. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:31 | |
Beuys' answer to the political decline of the aesthetic avant-garde | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
was to define art as "any kind of being or doing", | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
rather than specifically making, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
and then to designate the whole social fabric, politics included, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
as what he called "a social sculpture". | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
I think it is a basic metaphor for all social freedoms. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:54 | |
But it shouldn't be only a metaphor. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
It should be in the daily life, a real means | 0:46:57 | 0:47:02 | |
to go in and to transform the power fields of the society. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:07 | |
Of course, it's one thing to wish that art had influence over events, | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
and quite another to show that it actually does. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
Beuys' own work did not escape the machinery of the '70s, | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
in which the meaning of all avant-gardes, | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
socially directed or not, was effectively gutted by the market. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
But the work is often amazingly powerful. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
Beuys took glass cases | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
and filled them with grimy mementos of the German past. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
A dried rat in a pail of straw, | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
a hotplate with two blocks of fat sitting on the burners, | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
chipped crockery, mummified sausages, | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
sinister bits of metal and wire, | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
and an old picture of a concentration camp. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
This piece is known as the Auschwitz Box. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
Its intensity is such that one can hardly imagine a school of Beuys. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:57 | |
The work is too personal for that, too haunted by memory. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
CLAP OF THUNDER | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
This may be the most expensive sculpture ever made, | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
costing over 1 million to build. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
This is the tip of a work of art, or rather of 1/400th of a work of art | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
which stands in the New Mexico desert | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
a couple of hundred miles from Albuquerque. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
400 stainless steel rods, their tips forming a level plain of spikes | 0:48:28 | 0:48:33 | |
one kilometre wide and a mile long, | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
the whole thing laid out correct to one-sixteenth of an inch. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:40 | |
Installation began on it in 1977 | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
and it's substantially finished now, or rather, insubstantially finished. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
Despite its enormous spread, | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
The Lightning Field isn't really a mass at all. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
You don't think of it in terms of body and substance, but rather delicacy and transparency, | 0:48:53 | 0:48:59 | |
landscape, time and, above all, weather and light. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:04 | |
THUNDER RUMBLES | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
The artist who conceived this work is Walter De Maria. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:43 | |
The place, this specific site, the fact that it's in New Mexico | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
and not in California or in another place | 0:49:49 | 0:49:52 | |
takes on a tremendous importance. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
And one feels a particular spirit of this place. | 0:49:55 | 0:50:01 | |
This site was chosen because it was remote and isolated, | 0:50:04 | 0:50:10 | |
more so than other places. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
There's a heavy incidence of lightning here during the summer months. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:18 | |
The pointed tip serves as the direction, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:26 | |
which sends the invisible electric charge into the atmosphere | 0:50:26 | 0:50:32 | |
to complete the circuit between nature itself and the work. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:38 | |
Part of the content of the work is the ratio of people to space. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:47 | |
If we think of four to six people in one day walking through the field, | 0:50:47 | 0:50:53 | |
they have a very private experience. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
Unfortunately, one can't often get a private enough experience in a museum. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:09 | |
Though the museum has its function. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
The museum has its own architecture, its own traditions, | 0:51:13 | 0:51:17 | |
which don't fit here. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
Clearly, the museum can't handle ALL art. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
You can't fit a whole landscape with 400 tax deductible spikes into it, | 0:51:34 | 0:51:38 | |
and it's not a good place for small, fleeting gestures | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
because gestures don't sit well in a permanent collection. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
Nor is it a good place for getting shot at in or half drowned in | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
or getting covered in goat guts | 0:51:48 | 0:51:50 | |
or experiencing any one of the other various things that body artists have chosen to do to their bodies. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:56 | |
Every institution has its limits, though it may try not to observe them. | 0:51:56 | 0:52:00 | |
You have to think of a museum as broadcasting on a given frequency. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:05 | |
Not all the signals coming out of the culture can get on that one wavelength. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
This is not the museum's fault. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
A museum can no more contain all culture than a zoo hold all nature. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:16 | |
MUSIC: "Messa da Requiem" by Verdi | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
If the avant-garde has lost its functions, | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
is modern art just a historical issue? | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
Thomas Messer, Director of the Guggenheim Museum. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
I don't think that art owes us anything. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
I think that art is its own motor, its own result. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:46 | |
We exaggerate what art can do, at least in a direct way. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:52 | |
I think that we are having expectancies about this | 0:53:52 | 0:53:56 | |
which, when they are not fulfilled, or not fulfilled in that way, | 0:53:56 | 0:54:01 | |
we turn around and blame it. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
So I am perfectly content to leave art go its own way | 0:54:03 | 0:54:08 | |
and, furthermore, I have absolutely no fears about the fate of art. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:13 | |
I do worry about art institutions, which is a different matter. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
As long as there is life on this planet, there will be art - | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
whether we recognise it as such, whether we see it for what it is, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
or whether we look in wrong directions | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
and presume that something is art, that isn't is another matter. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
But art is safe. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
As to whether modernism is over, I think it's probably a little too early to say. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:39 | |
I don't think that it's out of the realm of possibility | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
that a handful of great geniuses, great painters, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
could emerge within the next ten years and revitalise this tradition. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:52 | |
That's all it takes - two or three men. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
At the same time, they will revitalise it, I think, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
in a way that will... | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
make it not certainly resemble very closely what existed before. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
I would have to admit, in the face of those who argue that modernism is over, | 0:55:05 | 0:55:10 | |
that there is a lot of evidence to suggest that a period is ending. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
ROAR OF TRAFFIC | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
We finish where modernism began, at the foot of the Eiffel Tower. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
Perhaps the etiquette now demands that I should try and prognosticate about what is coming next. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:31 | |
Well, I won't, because I don't know. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
History teaches us a certain thing, that critics, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
when they fish out the crystal ball and guess what the future will be, | 0:55:37 | 0:55:41 | |
are almost invariably wrong. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
I don't think there's been such a rush towards insignificance | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
in the name of the historic or future as we've seen in the last 15 years. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
The famous radicalism of '60s and '70s art turns out to have been a kind of dumb show, | 0:55:50 | 0:55:55 | |
a charade of toughness, a way of avoiding feeling. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
I don't think we are ever again obliged to look at a plywood box or a row of bricks | 0:55:59 | 0:56:04 | |
or a videotape of some twit from the University of Central Paranoia sticking pins in himself | 0:56:04 | 0:56:10 | |
and think, "This is the real thing. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
"This is the necessary art of our time. This needs respect." | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
Because it isn't, and it doesn't. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
And nobody cares. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
The fact is that anyone EXCEPT a child can make such things, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
because children have the kind of direct, sensuous | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
and complex relationship with the world around them | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
that modernism in its declining years was trying to deny. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
That relationship is the lost paradise that art wants to give back to us. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:40 | |
Not as children, but as adults. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
It's what the modern and the old have in common - | 0:56:42 | 0:56:44 | |
Pollock with Turner, Matisse with Rubens or Braque with Poussin. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
The basic project of art is always to make the world whole and comprehensible, | 0:56:48 | 0:56:53 | |
to restore it to us in all its glory and its occasional nastiness | 0:56:53 | 0:56:57 | |
not through argument, but through feeling. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:01 | |
And then to close the gap between you and everything that is not you, | 0:57:01 | 0:57:05 | |
and in this way, to pass from feeling to meaning. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:09 | |
It's not something that committees can do. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
It's not a task achieved by groups or by movements. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
It's done by individuals, each person mediating in some way | 0:57:16 | 0:57:21 | |
between a sense of history and an experience of the world. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:26 | |
This task is, literally, endless. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
So although we don't have an avant-garde any more, we're always going to have art. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:34 | |
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