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Meet Jackie Green, an 18-year-old Leeds lass

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with a dream of making it in the heady world of high fashion.

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It's so much fun! I like being the centre of attention.

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I am ringing with good news...

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Jackie has reached the first round of the Miss England competition...

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Victory dance!

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And hopes that winning the coveted pageant will catapult her to model stardom.

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To win Miss England would be crazy cool.

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So far, so normal Leeds lass.

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But, Jackie Green Beauty Queen was born...

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..a boy named Jack.

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I sent an email round the class saying,

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"I'm a girl trapped in a boy's body."

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But it's tough being trans.

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I was 14 and two 40-year-old men beat me up. What dickheads!

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Now she's fighting back.

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We're not freaks, we're just trying to get on with our lives.

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Trying to prove herself at the country's top beauty pageant.

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At five-years-old I was diagnosed as transgender.

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OK, that's fantastic. Good luck.

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But will she be accepted as one of the girls?

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-Please will you hug me?

-Oh, babe!

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It's not a big deal to me, and it shouldn't be to anyone else

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because I'm a girl.

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This programme contains some strong language.

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Jackie lives at home in the small Yorkshire town of Guiseley

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with her three brothers, mum Susie, and the dogs.

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Grandma Julie lives round the corner,

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but you'll often find her at the Green family home.

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They're a tight-knit bunch.

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He's a little bully! DOG BARKS

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DOGS GROWL Does anyone else want a cup of tea?

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Wait!

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Go on then.

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Now, you remember when I said Jackie was born a boy?

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Well, she doesn't quite see it like that. It's complicated.

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-You used to be a lad?

-I...I never used to be a lad.

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It's just like, if you met someone else who was, like, trans,

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and you said that to someone else who wasn't as nice as me,

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you might get a slap. So you know, be careful.

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-I apologise.

-Yeah, should do, dickhead!

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I've always been a girl.

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I had this little birth defect that needed to be fixed.

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Just like having a mole, which you don't like.

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I have a girl's brain, and I had a boy's bottom half, sort of thing.

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I was surprised to learn that Jackie had felt like this

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for as long as she can remember.

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Kids always know who they are.

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It's like if you tried to dress my brother

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when he was like three or four

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in some girl's clothes he would have been mortified.

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He would have seriously kicked some ass about that,

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because it was just like...

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You know. Part of you always knows.

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When I was four, I said to my mum,

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"God's made a mistake. I should have been a girl."

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Obviously, any parent faced with their child saying that

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thinks, I really want this to go away.

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I really don't want to have to deal with this.

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The first time I ever took her shopping

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I took this little boy shopping, you know, with short hair

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and wearing jeans and T-shirt, and we were in the girl aisle

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and he's picking up dresses,

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and putting them up against and swirling around.

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I just thought everybody in the shop is looking at me

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and thinking, "Oh, what is that woman doing?"

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What was going through your head at this stage?

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I just thought she'd grow out of it. I just thought she'd like girl stuff for a bit

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and then she'd start liking boy stuff more.

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And it just never happened.

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I love that. That's cool.

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-She never let up, did she?

-Oh, no!

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It's not as if she ever went, "Oh, all right then!" She never let up.

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Jackie was so sure of her identity that she would eventually become

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the youngest person in the world to change their gender through surgery.

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She was just 16.

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It was a moment of transformation for Jackie in more ways than one.

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She lost weight, gained confidence, and set her sights on modelling,

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starting with a string of student fashion shows.

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After being spotted by Miss England scouts

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she won an online public vote and a place in the regional heats.

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The first transsexual to make it into Miss England.

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She was asked to enter the beauty competition by modelling scouts

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who had no idea of her history.

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And that was that Jackie was in fact born a boy,

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and at 16 became the UK's youngest transsexual.

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So why is Jackie entering Miss England?

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The whole point of it is, obviously, yeah,

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it's to further myself in my modelling career,

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but whenever I was younger all I'd see was the drastic trans people

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who've left their kids and wives.

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It's quite daunting to see that that's how your life might turn out.

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I like the idea of being a role model.

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I feel big-headed whenever I say it, it sounds, like, weird.

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But, erm, yeah,

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I think there definitely needs to be more role models.

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We'll be following Jackie all the way, as she attempts

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to become the first ever transsexual Miss England.

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10,000 girls entered Miss England this year.

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The winner will take home a £30,000 prize package,

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become an ambassador for the competition's charity

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and represent England on the global stage at Miss World,

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which will next be held in Mongolia.

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In the coming week, Jackie is competing in two separate qualifiers,

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battling to win a place in the Miss England semi-final. And she seems confident.

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I'm pretty excited actually, I'm just like, come on, lets go do it!

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Take it on! But, yeah, so that's pretty cool.

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-Have you ever done a pageant before?

-No, never.

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Have you ever even been to one?

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No.

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Jackie knows she's a complete novice.

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To stand a chance, she's going to need some training.

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So today she's travelled to London to be transformed

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into a potential beauty queen in a one-day course

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run by Miss England 2008 Laura Coleman...

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-I'm Laura.

-Hi!

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..along with pageant coach David Douglas and their team of experts.

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-Please take care of me. I'm very nervous!

-Don't worry!

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You sit down next to me and I'll explain what's going to happen.

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Have you been in any heats before already?

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Erm, I was in the photo heats round.

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Have you done any heats where you're walking against other girls?

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-No.

-It's OK. We're very successful at training people.

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We've had multiple winners, not only in Miss England.

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Last year at Miss Universe we had the top six at Miss Universe,

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so our methods hopefully are working

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and hopefully some of it will rub off on you. Let's go.

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It turns out that winning a beauty pageant isn't just about beauty.

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Organisers say they're also looking for someone with personality.

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So each competition starts with an interview.

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The interview round is usually a quarter of the marks of any pageant.

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So, if you're very good at it, and you blow them away,

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then you're in the game, you're scoring highly.

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The first bit is to tell them about yourself. Did you do anything interesting when you were young?

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Brothers, sisters? Did you have a horse when you were young?

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A lot of girls had a pony or they were into something, you know, there was something.

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I am actually transgender,

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-and I was diagnosed as transgender at five years old.

-OK.

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So, erm, through that I would be going to see doctors

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and things like that, a lot of different,

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like, psychotherapist appointments and things like that.

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Don't stall on that story and spend too long on it,

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because you are begging them to ask you a question.

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And then the minute they ask you a question,

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you don't know what road it's gonna take.

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I mean, considering your circumstances,

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what made you want to be in beauty pageant?

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Mainly to be able to raise awareness of people like me,

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and to sort of educate people.

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-Show that we're capable of doing what everyone else is able to.

-Good.

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That's a question you'll be asked,

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so what I'm suggesting is, you say it.

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It's a dead story after that cos you're then in amongst other girls, competing.

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You are one of them and there is no difference whatsoever.

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I think what's very important is to dress for your body shape.

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There's lots of, like, different body shapes.

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Next up, Laura wants to help Jackie find the perfect pageant look.

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You can have a rectangle, an hour glass.

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So what kind of body shape do you think you are?

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An hour glass.

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-I don't think I'm quite hour glass!

-Yeah! Yeah definitely!

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SHE LAUGHS

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Yeah, you look amazing! Would you wear that, like?

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No, it's not really my style, it's too glittery.

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This is the first time I've seen the normally confident Jackie seem a little awkward.

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This one will look really nice with your hair and everything. Gorgeous.

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Looks so nice!

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Maybe not gold. I don't know, I think it...

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I think it really brings out your skin tone and your hair colour and everything, it really suits you.

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Apparently, winning a pageant isn't just about looking good,

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it's about looking good on the catwalk.

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MUSIC: "California Gurls" by Katy Perry

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And former Miss Universe Great Britain Tara Hoyos-Martinez

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seems to have the knack.

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She's the best walker going.

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-Is she?

-Yeah.

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I only ever did one pageant, and I find the walking the most fun.

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Just walk for me how you would walk normally.

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Just like walking down the street. Yeah?

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I'm no expert, but I'm not sure Jackie's getting into this.

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Yeah? That's good, all right then.

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You need to show them that you're meant to be there.

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You could do a back flip, lose your knickers down the middle of the stage,

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but as long as you're confident.

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You're smiling, having a good time, and everyone will be smiling with you.

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It's really smiley. Yeah?

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You all right, darling? You OK?

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SHE SOBS

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-Are you all right, babe?

-Yeah.

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Oh, darling!

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Seeing... SHE SIGHS

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Seeing you girls, it's just... I don't stand a chance.

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-Yes, you do!

-No, I don't.

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You're amazing! You have everything going for you.

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Like you have everything, honestly, I absolutely swear to you now.

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You're doing amazing. You've just got to do it and enjoy yourself

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and do it for you, not for other people.

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I'm sorry about this.

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You don't have to be sorry. I'll walk with you.

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Now you've made a big step in life, and you've gone through a massive journey.

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You've missed out lots of steps because probably the world hasn't allowed you to have those things.

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We go to pageants and we see little girls coming up to us

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wanting autographs, wanting to ask us questions

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about how do they become a pageant queen.

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It's every girl's little dream.

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And maybe, maybe, some of those pieces of life have been taken away from you.

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But it doesn't mean to say you can't have them now.

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Jackie's confidence definitely took a knock.

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But with support from Laura and David, she's back on the catwalk.

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Keep your shoulders back, there you go.

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Smile, have fun, yep.

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Remember, finish with a good pose.

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-Nice.

-I don't have any problem with her being in this pageant,

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and I think she can contest equally, and I think she can win something.

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Left and right, smile at the audience, shoulders back.

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She's got something about her, she has a passion for it,

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and I think she realised today that if she applies herself,

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she can compete at this level.

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I think she can stand tall against all these girls.

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That was good!

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It's two days until Jackie competes

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in her first qualifier for Miss England.

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She's at a photo shoot, trying out different looks.

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For ten years, Jackie's been wearing whatever she wants in public,

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but this wasn't always the case.

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Up to the age of eight, she was still wearing a boy's uniform to school.

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Mum Susie could tell it wasn't working.

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Towards sort of like the middle of primary school,

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erm, she was becoming more and more unhappy.

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It confused the other kids, that she acted like a girl

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and wanted to play with the girls.

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And she just started to tell everybody.

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I sent an email around the class saying, "I'm a girl trapped in a boy's body."

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They just sort of went, "Oh, that's why!"

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You know, "That's why he's so weird!"

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Sorry - I hate saying "he", but I was back then, I guess.

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The head of the primary school said to me,

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"Can you just tell her not to do that?" and I went, "I've tried!"

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Being forced to dress as a boy was taking its toll on young Jackie.

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She was disruptive in lessons,

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she was very confrontational, she was very angry all the time.

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She would steal things, she'd destroy things.

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It was all sort of acting out this immense feeling

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of being so totally wrong and unhappy with herself.

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I had to talk her out of wanting to cut her parts off,

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cos she didn't want... They weren't...they weren't her.

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It was a huge strain on the family. Something had to change.

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By the time she was about nine, I just said to the school,

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"Look, trying to live as a boy in school is not doing her any good.

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"I'm going to let her grow her hair and I'm gonna let her start coming to school

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"looking like she is on the inside."

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It felt just amazing to be myself,

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like instead of having all these people tell me I'm not a girl,

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and it's just like, "Yeah, I am. Fuck off! Go away!"

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Come down, come down. The dress is here!

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There's a delivery for Jackie.

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I have the dress! The dress!

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Oh, my God! I want to put it on now!

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It's Jackie's first ever pageant dress.

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It's so beautiful!

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I think she's starting to get into the part.

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It's the day of the Nottingham heat for Miss England.

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A first for Jackie and a first for the beauty pageant.

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Change it from where you finish, and hold the pose for four.

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She's battling it out with 50 other girls for a handful of places in the Miss England semi-final.

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I am nervous, but optimistic.

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Not to sound rude but there's all different shapes and sizes.

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I mean catwalk, everyone's skinny bony and walking up and down like they're zombies.

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Here there's a bit more character introduced.

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I think it's gonna give me a good chance, especially in the interview stages.

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Cocky much(!)

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But before the competition gets into full swing,

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Jackie is meeting David and Laura for some final tips.

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Hello! Oh my gosh.

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I'm dying of heat exhaustion, I've just been running up and down stairs.

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-You look really nice.

-She looks lovely, doesn't she?

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So, simple things, never leave your back to the judges, OK?

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They'll score you from the back, and you don't want that.

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-Take all the attention you can get.

-Would you like to see my dress?

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-I'd love to.

-I have a picture of it on my phone.

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Pretty nice, I think you'll do well today.

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-You need to work to feel like that when you're walking around.

-Yeah.

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-Just to turn that...

-Step out?

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Yes. What will happen is the dress will naturally follow you around,

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almost like a dog.

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You're looking like a beauty queen today.

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-Thank you!

-It's a big transformation from the other day.

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You'll make me blush!

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What's your game plan for tonight?

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I wish I had one now.

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You've got to get in there. Talk to the judges.

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-Don't she, David?

-Yes.

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It's the first round.

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A group interview.

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Judges rotate around the tables to chat to the girls.

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This is not a job interview. I just want to have a chat.

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It's Jackie's first chance to impress,

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and she's not shy about telling her story.

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Hello, I'm Jackie Green.

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I'm 18 years old, and I'll tell you some more if that's all right.

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I actually do a lot of charity work for children,

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and families of children with gender variant issues.

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And the reason I'm part of that charity is because,

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at five years old, I was diagnosed as transgender,

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so since then they've been a massive supporting pillar to me and my family.

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I'm quite an ordinary girl trying to achieve some extraordinary things.

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-Like all of the other girls.

-Yeah.

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Right, well, I think we should move on.

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At five years old I was diagnosed as transgender.

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-How did that affect your life?

-It's gone towards making me who I am,

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and it's gone towards making me a stronger person and more confident.

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OK, that's fantastic. Good luck.

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-I'm transgender.

-Are you? I would never have guessed!

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-Oh, why, thank you!

-Really?

-Yeah!

-Wow.

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It's hard to tell what the judges made of Jackie,

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but if points are awarded to girls with something interesting to say,

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Jackie must have won this round.

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Or maybe it's all down to the catwalk show.

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Can Jackie shine in front of the crowd?

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Now first of all I'd like to say, we have got 33 fantastic girls

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waiting backstage, so, ladies and gentlemen, first of all,

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please welcome the girls in their club wear.

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MUSIC: "Countdown" by Beyonce

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In the evening's big event, the girls will be judged on how they carry themselves

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in two different outfits - club wear and evening wear.

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Good evening, ladies and gentleman, my name is Grace-Elizabeth Weaver.

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Today I'm sponsored by Toolmatic,

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and it would mean the world to me if I won this evening,

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just so I could prove that you can fulfil your dreams.

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I'd also like to show that beauty isn't separate from intelligence,

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as I think that's a really important message.

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I want to win, because I want to be a role model for trans people

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and to show that we're all beautiful, and deserve to achieve our dreams.

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APPLAUSE

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MUSIC: "Part-Time Lover" by Stevie Wonder

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The show's over. The judges are considering their verdict.

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-Jackie's Miss England dream is in the balance.

-We got through it, we got through it.

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-Did you enjoy it?

-I did, I enjoyed it so much, so...

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I was like, "Yeah, go on Jackie!"

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-You did really well.

-Thank you.

-No, I'm really pleased, really pleased.

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You did really good, honestly. You did fantastically well. You should be proud of yourself.

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She looked fabulous, and just really poised and confident.

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You know, when she stood up there and said about raising awareness

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for trans issues, I thought that was fabulous.

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Just really proud of her.

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Takes a lot of guts to put yourself out there.

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It's the moment of truth.

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Will Jackie win acceptance from the pageant judges?

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Now over to the Miss Modelzed finalists.

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Just five are going through to this next stage.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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The first girl making it into the top five...

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..is contestant number six, Jenny Williams.

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-CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

-Congratulations, Jenny.

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Contestant number 11, Louise Jowitt.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Number seven, Jamie Lee Faulkner.

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-CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

-Congratulations, well done.

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But the final girl that the judges have chosen to go through to the top five of Miss Modelzed tonight...

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..Is contestant number four, Jennifer McSween.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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And why would you like to win tonight? What would it mean to you to go forward into Miss England?

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It would mean, like, so much to me to go into miss England.

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It would be an amazing experience.

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-How are you feeling?

-Gutted, but, hey.

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I'm genuinely gutted.

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Being here has been amazing. I'm so sorry.

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I am so proud of you.

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It's only a beauty pageant, OK? It's only a beauty pageant.

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You've got the rest of your life to continue on to do whatever you want to do and I am so proud.

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You were fabulous and you look amazing.

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Look. OK?

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This is a setback, you might not have done...got in to the final or semi-finals.

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Why would anybody laugh at you? You look fantastic.

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Nobody is going to look at you as anything other than

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just one fantastic amazingly strong young woman.

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-Please can you hug me?

-Oh, babe.

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Come on. Let's go.

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Come on, you must be freezing your tits off out here.

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I thought we'd give Jackie and her mum a little space.

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But when we got back inside, Jackie was on stage.

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-What's going on?

-She won the Miss Personality award.

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Basically, Jackie's won the personality vote,

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which has been voted for by all the girls backstage.

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We asked them to vote for the girl that's made an impression.

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And to be honest I can't think of a better award to make her feel accepted, I suppose.

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-Are you going to keep going?

-Yeah, as if this is going to stop me. I've been through much worse.

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It's just been a pleasure to meet you and to open our eyes

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and squash some, you know, ignorant views.

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-You're a real inspiration to a lot of people.

-Thank you.

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Honestly. Really proud to meet you, pleasure to meet you. Honestly.

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I'm just gobsmacked, to be honest. I mean, I can't describe it

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because it's just like they have... they have voted for me.

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As in... Oh.

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I have friends and I've been accepted into, with...

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I'm just, like, you know, I'm one of the girls, and I should be.

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So it's just...

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SHE SIGHS

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SHE SOBS QUIETLY

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Jackie might have won acceptance from the pageant girls,

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but tonight's award DIDN'T come with a place

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in the Miss England semi-final.

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But it's not all over. In three days, Jackie has another qualifier.

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Her last chance to make it through.

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The following evening I met up with Jackie,

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who'd had some time to reflect.

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I was so sad. I really was like, "Oh, man."

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I thought I'd made enough of an effort and I thought,

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come on, fourth at least!

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Did it cross your mind that your past might have affected

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the judge's decision?

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I don't know, I don't think so. I hope not.

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Because if it did, then what a bunch of wankers.

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But I don't think it did.

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Jackie clearly has an incredibly strong sense of identity.

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And she's had to fight to express her true self for her entire life.

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That battle became particularly fierce at secondary school.

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Despite arriving as a girl named Jackie,

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in her small home town, she wasn't able to escape her past.

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-Secondary school was an absolute pigging nightmare.

-Oh, yeah.

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She just was a girl and she just wanted to be treated like a girl,

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but it just made her a target

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for all this nastiness and bigotry and hatred.

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It was so obvious that I was a girl.

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I had long hair, I kind of guess I was pretty.

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So it was just like, why? I don't even look like a guy.

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If I had a beard and I had like... I talked like friggin' Barry White

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then I would get it, but it's just, like, why?!

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Jackie was attacked a couple of times in the street by other kids.

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They circled her, about 20 of them in the playground, shouting out,

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"Oi, show us your dick, when are you having it chopped off?"

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There was one boy in school who kept calling her "tranny".

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"Tranny, tranny, tranny, freak, tranny, man-beast,"

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and it was every time he saw her.

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And the abuse wasn't confined to the school yard.

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When she was 14, and two adult guys attacked her.

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'They were, like, 40.

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'They came up behind me and they beat me up.'

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I was 14 and two 40-year-old men beat me up!

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What dickheads! Just saying.

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It was a difficult time and led Jackie to some extreme places.

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Something had happened at school. I think I got spat on.

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'I just said to myself, "Right, fuck it," and left.

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'I walked out of school.

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'I stole a packet of 16 paracetamol and took them in the toilet.'

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Obviously, I was feeling quite sick and ill.

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In the end we went in to hospital and checked in overnight.

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So, yeah... That was...that was hard.

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Jackie says she tried to kill herself half a dozen times

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before she was 14 years old.

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It was an anxious time for Susie.

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-I thought I was going to lose her, I thought she was going to be dead.

-Yeah.

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I thought she would kill herself, it was so awful.

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Every day was...a worry.

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I had nightmares about it,

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about her being subject to that sort of prejudice and hatred.

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So, yeah, I was terrified.

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'I hated every single part of myself, I didn't see any happy ending.'

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Like, I'm going to end up a dude.

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Or at least... Well, no, I didn't, I knew I WASN'T going to end up a dude.

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I would die before that would happen.

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Jackie had reached a critical point in her life.

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Puberty was around the corner,

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with all the irreversible male changes that come with it.

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She wanted surgery, but it's banned here until you're 18

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and blockers - drugs that could have helped by delaying puberty -

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weren't available to anyone under 16.

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If I didn't get the blockers, I'd basically I'd get an Adam's apple, I'd get a deep voice.

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I'd have been about six-foot-four, I'd have got a beard

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and all that sort of thing. I kept saying to my mum,

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if I have to go through that, I'll kill myself.

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With her daughter's life in the balance, there was a breakthrough.

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Susie tracked down a pioneering Boston doctor named Norman Spack.

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He was Jackie's last chance.

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It's like a light going on for her to meet this doctor who just...

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He just totally and utterly treated her with respect,

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treated her as a girl.

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Said to her, you know, "This is clear to me who you are,

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"we'll just have to sort it out."

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And that made me feel like there was hope,

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that she would have a happy life, that she could be OK.

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Over the course of three years

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and half a dozen visits to the Boston Children's Hospital,

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Dr Spack provided the blocking hormones

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to stop the onset of a male puberty. He saved Jackie's life.

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Jackie hasn't seen Dr Spack for three years.

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Hi, Norman!

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How are you?

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I'm good, how are you?

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It's so good to see you.

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Jackie was the first trans person in the UK to receive this treatment,

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blazing a trail for other youngsters with a similar condition.

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I don't know how... to thank you enough.

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SHE SOBS

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Thank you.

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Thank YOU.

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You have been an inspiration to my work,

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which has made it possible for hundreds of young people

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to be treated like you.

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Don't!

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Gosh, you're going to mess up my make-up!

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Jackie has one last crack at making it through to the Miss England semi-final.

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The day before the event, I found her pretty psyched.

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I'm a person, I'm a girl, I'm a human being,

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I'm going for the Miss England competition cos I want to

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show people that that's exactly what trans people are.

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They're normal human beings, we're not freaks,

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we're just trying to get on with our lives.

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There's not many people who are comfortable to say that,

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but...you know, I am.

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Watford on a Wednesday. Setting for the final showdown.

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Just a dozen girls facing off for the last two places in Miss England.

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It's now or never for Jackie, but she's playing it cool.

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'I can only do my best.'

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I might as well enjoy it while I'm here, no point being down about it,

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or worrying, cos if I look down or look like I'm upset or uncomfortable,

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I'm going to lose straight away.

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Actually there's some really gorgeous girls so I'm just, like, "Ah, shit!"

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-Hello.

-Hello!

-This is contestant number seven, Jackie Green.

-Hi, Jackie.

-Hello!

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I'm Jackie Green, I'm 18 years old

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and I'd like to tell you some more about myself, if that's all right?

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-We'd love to know more about you!

-Saves us asking questions!

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One of the charities I work with is called Mermaids,

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and it's for gender variant children. I joined them when I was around five,

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me and my mum, because around that time I was diagnosed as transgender.

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So if you won the competition would you like to make this a bit more known to everyone?

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Yeah, definitely. I would love to be able to, sort of, educate people

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and show that trans people are very normal people trying to get on with our lives.

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Yep, there we go, nice. Yep.

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Let's change the legs up, maybe do something legs apart,

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a little bit more posey-posey with this one... That's it.

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Can I do my favourite one?

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-Whoo!

-God, I thought you were going to fall then!

-Amazing.

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-I was close!

-Got it.

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Wow, I'm impressed with myself for catching that one as well!

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I feel like they liked me because I made them laugh,

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and sort of kept their attention.

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I wasn't boring, I don't think, you know.

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So hopefully, I did well.

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My dad's here, bless him. He's come to see me.

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'I think he finds it uncomfortable,

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'because he's your typical bloke's bloke and he's coming to pageants.'

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Oh, I guess it's not really his thing.

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I must admit her personality is such a strong point,

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and what she wants to do, what she wants to achieve.

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I'm interested now to see the catwalk,

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because being Miss England doesn't necessarily mean

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you've got to be a model, it's about personality,

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you're representing the UK.

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So you're an ambassador, that's one of the things we really look for.

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She has to be a complete package, just not a beauty queen.

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Contestant number seven is Jackie Green.

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APPLAUSE

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And she's from Leeds.

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Thank you, Jackie.

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It's crunch time on the catwalk.

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The prize - a place in the Miss England semi-final.

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That went OK, I think. Could've done better,

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but I think everyone thinks that, I think they always think that.

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We now have our results.

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Thank you very much for being so patient with us today.

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Our first runner-up, also going through to the semi-final

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is contestant...

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number seven, Jackie Green!

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Oh, my God!

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APPLAUSE

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SHE MUTTERS

0:35:240:35:27

Jackie Green beauty queen, how does it feel?

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Well, THAT sounds really weird! But it feels fucking awesome.

0:35:370:35:41

'I'm in it. Oh, my God.'

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Dude! I'd high-five you if you weren't busy!

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SLAP! Fuck, yes!

0:35:480:35:50

SHE GIGGLES

0:35:500:35:51

-Go on, go and see your dad.

-I need to go and see my dad!

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Jackie's folks split up when she was seven,

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but the whole family are still close.

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I'm very proud and very happy for her.

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She's clearly over the moon, and so am I, so there you go.

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Keep it nice and happy, everyone.

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'There is absolutely no way to put in words

0:36:160:36:19

'where Jackie was and where she is.'

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I was, like, "OK, breathe now!"

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She's had a torrid, tough, tough life.

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Erm, but she's getting through it and she's finding

0:36:270:36:32

ways to be confident and happy and assertive and find her way in life.

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She's probably tougher than anyone I know, frankly.

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And good luck in the semi-finals.

0:36:410:36:44

-Yeah, thank you. I know, right?

-I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

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I've done it, I'm in the semi-finals, and...

0:36:480:36:51

SHE SIGHS IN RELIEF

0:36:510:36:54

Fucking eh!

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NEWSREADER: Jackie who's from Leeds was the youngest person in the world

0:36:590:37:03

to have a sex change at the age of 16.

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Yes, Jackie used to be Jack.

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The last time we met up with her she'd just been invited to compete

0:37:060:37:10

in the Miss England contest and it went pretty well, didn't it?

0:37:100:37:13

-Tell us all about it.

-Yeah.

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It's a week since Jackie made it through to the semi-final.

0:37:140:37:17

Every morning I wake up and go, "Oh! Semi-final soon."

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And the world's press have picked up on the story, from Yorkshire...

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to Brazil.

0:37:250:37:27

Hola, Fantastico! I'm Jackie Green, I'm 18 years old,

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I'm a transgender Miss England contestant.

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I'm in the papers in Panama.

0:37:350:37:39

Oh, my God, and Hong Kong! Oh, my God, India!

0:37:390:37:43

I don't even know where Panama is.

0:37:430:37:45

I feel like a terrible person but I don't know where Panama is.

0:37:450:37:49

"Sex change teenager - now I can win Miss England."

0:37:490:37:54

"Sex swap, sex change." I fucking hate those terms.

0:37:540:37:57

-Do you?

-Yeah, it's bullshit.

-Why?

0:37:570:37:59

I don't know, it's just... I think it's because it's always that

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those words are sensationalised, those are the things you hear.

0:38:020:38:06

"Swap-op girl"! Oh, my God, swap-op girl!

0:38:060:38:11

I have to admit, even though I fucking hate it,

0:38:110:38:13

it does roll off the tongue pretty well.

0:38:130:38:15

It's more than two years since Jackie

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had her gender reassignment surgery -

0:38:200:38:23

or "swap-op" as the papers call it.

0:38:230:38:25

She made history by becoming the youngest transsexual in the world

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on her 16th birthday.

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The seven-hour procedure is banned in England for people under 18,

0:38:310:38:35

so the Greens flew to Thailand

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where at the time it could be done legally at 16.

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They booked her in for her 16th birthday.

0:38:410:38:43

And I told her and she danced around the room for five minutes.

0:38:430:38:46

It was like a victory dance,

0:38:460:38:48

it was like, "Yay, yay, I'm getting a fanny!"

0:38:480:38:51

SHE CHUCKLES

0:38:510:38:52

I don't know the technical terms of what they did, and I really don't want to, it's gross.

0:38:520:38:56

It's just, like, "Oh, no!"

0:38:560:38:57

The majority of surgeons around the world

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do something called penile inversion where they basically use

0:39:000:39:02

the skin from the penis to create the vagina.

0:39:020:39:05

She hadn't developed through full puberty,

0:39:050:39:07

so, to not put too fine a point on it, there wasn't much to work with!

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Sorry, Jackie, she'll hate that!

0:39:110:39:13

SHE LAUGHS

0:39:130:39:14

From the minute I woke up I felt different,

0:39:170:39:20

and everything just seemed so much brighter.

0:39:200:39:24

I was who I should be and no-one could tell me otherwise.

0:39:240:39:28

She just went, "Oh, I'm so happy," and then burst into tears

0:39:280:39:32

and she went, "I can't believe it, I've got a fanny."

0:39:320:39:36

And just...we were both in tears cos it wasn't just what

0:39:360:39:39

she was saying, it was just the look on her face.

0:39:390:39:42

She just...she was just so happy.

0:39:420:39:45

It was the start of my life,

0:39:450:39:48

and from there, it's been pretty wicked.

0:39:480:39:51

For a normal working mum, it was a huge financial strain.

0:39:570:40:01

Worked out about between £28,000-£30,000 altogether.

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I put it on my mortgage, I had no other way of paying for it.

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Is she going to pay you back?

0:40:080:40:10

Yeah, right(!)

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BOTH LAUGH

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It's the day before the Miss England semi-final

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and we're all in Leicester.

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Susie and a friend have driven 100 miles to support Jackie.

0:40:240:40:28

Stressed is not the word, she's been going up the wall.

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I'm really worried about how she'll take it if she doesn't go through.

0:40:330:40:36

She really, really wants it,

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but she's done fabulously well to get this far.

0:40:380:40:41

Who would've thought it?

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10 years ago, I didn't even know she'd be alive, so...

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This is a new level of competition,

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by the far the biggest pageant Jackie's ever competed in.

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60 girls vying for just 12 places in the Miss England final.

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-Hello.

-Hello, honey.

-The semi is a little bit different.

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Girls are competing against each other

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in a series of sports competitions.

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And bizarrely they'll be modelling home-made eco-dresses.

0:41:090:41:13

-Hello.

-Hello, come in.

-Hello.

0:41:160:41:19

Right, we have wine and vodka and water for you.

0:41:190:41:22

Thank you for the water!

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Half ten on the night before the competition.

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So what's the plan with the old dress, then? Balcony?

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The plan is don't you get too drunk...

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-I'm not getting too drunk!

-..so you can't help me spray my dress.

-Oh, OK.

0:41:330:41:37

-Is this eco-dress still in here?

-Yeah.

0:41:370:41:40

Oh, Jackie! You should have hung it up!

0:41:400:41:42

-Where am I meant to hang it up?

-All the fingers are going to get stuck together.

0:41:420:41:46

OK, so we need to lay this out now, and we need to unpick it.

0:41:460:41:48

Look at that!

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-You can't walk down the catwalk in that!

-No.

0:41:520:41:55

Jackie's friend has hand-made an eco-dress out of rubber gloves

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for the event, but it hasn't travelled well.

0:41:590:42:02

-Shit, Jackie. This shouldn't have been left bundled up.

-Oh, Jackie.

0:42:020:42:06

-Glove fingers are all sticking together.

-Yeah.

0:42:060:42:08

Have we got like anything we can peg that to?

0:42:080:42:10

-How's that going to peg it on?

-Don't start!

-Don't start!

0:42:100:42:13

We're trying to do you a favour!

0:42:130:42:15

-Yeah.

-She's only left it wrapped up

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in a bloody bundle for half the night.

0:42:170:42:19

-See you in the morning, babe.

-All right.

0:42:190:42:23

-I'm sorry.

-That's all right.

-It looks great.

-Night, honey.

0:42:230:42:26

-Bye!

-Night, bye.

0:42:260:42:28

It's the day Jackie's been waiting for - the Miss England Semi-Final.

0:42:330:42:38

-You nervous?

-I wasn't particularly nervous yesterday.

-Yeah.

0:42:430:42:46

Now, I feel a little bit more nervous.

0:42:460:42:52

-Yeah.

-Just like, putting on make-up and getting ready.

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Big smile, there you go.

0:42:570:42:58

It's 10am. Jackie's first chance to size up the other girls.

0:43:000:43:06

I'm Jackie.

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They're the cream of the competition,

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and Jackie seems a little sensitive.

0:43:110:43:14

Everyone's got cool names like Natalia.

0:43:140:43:16

I don't know how to pronounce some of them.

0:43:160:43:18

but it's like, mine's "Jackie". I feel boring. It's just, oh.

0:43:180:43:21

-Didn't you choose your name?

-Yeah, but still...

0:43:210:43:25

An elegant lady is what I look for, to put it bluntly.

0:43:270:43:32

She's got to be very beautiful to look at,

0:43:320:43:35

but also she's got to be beautiful from within.

0:43:350:43:37

If somebody comes in and says they want to work for world peace

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or are interested in fluffy animals

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they'll get zero points straight away.

0:43:430:43:45

The day starts with a sports round,

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with the winner going straight through to the Miss England final.

0:43:530:43:57

But it's not Jackie's forte and she's knocked out early.

0:43:590:44:03

After getting their breath back, all 60 girls are being interviewed

0:44:090:44:14

individually in their evening wear.

0:44:140:44:16

Jackie normally has a lot to say,

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and her story sets her out from the crowd,

0:44:210:44:24

but this time she's up against her most challenging panel yet.

0:44:240:44:28

It's a nice town.

0:44:280:44:30

Famous for which playwright?

0:44:300:44:31

I don't know.

0:44:310:44:33

Alan Ayckbourn, wasn't it?

0:44:330:44:35

Learn something new every day!

0:44:350:44:36

I'm studying sociology at Loughborough Uni. Sociology.

0:44:360:44:40

Car boot, I always do a car boot for charity.

0:44:400:44:43

Because every time I do it, I raise about a hundred pounds.

0:44:430:44:46

It's really worth it.

0:44:460:44:48

Hello, have a seat. Everyone, this is Jackie.

0:44:480:44:51

-Hello, Jackie, have a seat.

-Hi, Jackie.

0:44:510:44:54

Hi. My name's Jackie Green, I'm 18 years old,

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and I'd like to tell you a little about myself, if that's all right?

0:44:580:45:02

-Yeah, go ahead.

-I live in Leeds, but originally I'm from Maidstone.

0:45:020:45:07

From there I moved with my family, my mum and my dad,

0:45:070:45:12

and we moved to Croydon.

0:45:120:45:13

Leeds - is it as awful as everyone says it is?

0:45:130:45:16

JUDGE: Excuse me, I'm from Leeds!

0:45:160:45:17

Leeds, is it as ABYSMAL as everyone says it is?

0:45:170:45:20

No, I quite like Leeds, it's a nice city.

0:45:200:45:22

I don't go out often which is probably a good thing,

0:45:220:45:25

cos I can't drink much, I have a terrible tolerance for alcohol

0:45:250:45:28

I'm, like, "Please, no!"

0:45:280:45:30

-Did you raise funds for the Beauty With A Purpose charity?

-I did.

0:45:300:45:34

I raised maybe 200, or maybe 150, within that region, ballpark.

0:45:340:45:39

-Are you happy with that total?

-I am.

0:45:390:45:41

I think I'm devastated I couldn't raise more,

0:45:410:45:43

but I think at the end of the day every little helps.

0:45:430:45:46

-Thank you very much, Jackie.

-Thank you.

-Thank you.

0:45:460:45:49

I was surprised that for the first time in competition

0:45:490:45:52

Jackie didn't talk about her extraordinary life story.

0:45:520:45:56

She didn't even mention being trans.

0:45:560:45:59

Pleasant enough but if asked a question, at least try and say something interesting

0:45:590:46:03

-even if there's nothing interesting to say.

-Make something up.

0:46:030:46:06

Absolutely.

0:46:060:46:07

APPLAUSE

0:46:160:46:18

Good afternoon, ladies and gentleman, and welcome to the semi-finals of Miss England 2012.

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Tonight, 14 girls will go forward to the national finals of Miss England.

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SWING MUSIC

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Please now welcome contestant 31, Natalia Leigh, Miss Coventry.

0:46:340:46:39

And contestant number 35, Jackie Green, Miss Popularity.

0:46:390:46:44

WHOOPING AND APPLAUSE

0:46:440:46:46

APPLAUSE

0:46:590:47:01

It's the final round - the home-made eco-dress.

0:47:040:47:08

Jackie's very last chance to wow the judges.

0:47:080:47:12

What did you put in the hands, Jackie?

0:47:150:47:17

Yeah, just cotton wool.

0:47:170:47:19

So simple and so soft. It's just, like, "Ooh, comfy!"

0:47:190:47:23

Does it look all right?

0:47:230:47:24

Yeah, it's fun, really effective.

0:47:240:47:28

Contestant one is Dempsie Trevor-Wilson, Miss Leicester runner-up.

0:47:280:47:32

This is a tutu made out of bubble wrap.

0:47:320:47:35

MUSIC: "EVA" by Jean-Jacques Perrey

0:47:350:47:38

By designing eco-wear we can reduce the landfill

0:47:410:47:44

-and make the world a greener place to live.

-That's fantastic.

0:47:440:47:48

-Tell us a bit about your outfit.

-Well, my dress is made from

0:47:480:47:53

a very simple white, tubular dress.

0:47:530:47:55

Very eco. I like to think so.

0:47:550:47:58

And you've got to be a bit cheeky. LAUGHTER

0:47:580:48:01

You look fabulous!

0:48:010:48:02

Take one more walk down our catwalk.

0:48:020:48:04

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:48:040:48:06

The competition's over. Jackie's done all she can.

0:48:080:48:11

But has she made the top 12?

0:48:110:48:13

I interviewed her this afternoon and was very underwhelmed,

0:48:150:48:18

wasn't impressed by her particularly this afternoon.

0:48:180:48:21

However, when she came out this evening, it was a completely different story.

0:48:210:48:24

I loved her outfit and there was a swagger there, there was confidence.

0:48:240:48:28

Cheeky, which was definitely a good thing, I'd say,

0:48:280:48:32

shows a bit of personality.

0:48:320:48:34

I've heard about Jackie, I interviewed her today

0:48:340:48:37

and I thought she was lovely, I really did.

0:48:370:48:40

In some of the other rounds you gave a bit of a talk

0:48:400:48:43

-about your back story, and none of that happened publicly today.

-Oh.

0:48:430:48:47

-Was that a conscious decision or was that just the way things went?

-Yeah, it was.

0:48:470:48:51

As much as I'm proud to be who I am, it's not important that everyone knows.

0:48:510:48:56

Because it's not a big deal to me,

0:48:560:48:58

and it shouldn't be to everyone else. Because I'm a girl.

0:48:580:49:01

If I can fit in with everyone else

0:49:010:49:03

then that's also a really big accomplishment for me,

0:49:030:49:06

and it feels like one.

0:49:060:49:07

Making it through to the Miss England finals tonight...

0:49:090:49:13

Leanne Ward!

0:49:130:49:15

APPLAUSE

0:49:150:49:16

-Sarah O'Rielly!

-APPLAUSE

0:49:180:49:21

-Laura Hickey!

-APPLAUSE

0:49:220:49:25

-..Is Nadina Knight!

-CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:49:260:49:29

To make someone's day now,

0:49:370:49:39

the last space in the final

0:49:390:49:43

for Miss England 2012 goes to...

0:49:430:49:46

Jodie Duckworth!

0:49:540:49:56

APPLAUSE

0:49:560:49:58

Jackie placed a respectable 18th out of 60 girls.

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Just six places away from qualifying.

0:50:120:50:15

But for now, her Miss England dream is over.

0:50:160:50:20

You did a really good job, the best that you could.

0:50:260:50:29

As you say, some absolute stunning girls who haven't gone through, just like you.

0:50:290:50:33

I'm really gutted, honestly, I could cry, but...

0:50:330:50:37

-I just want to go home, I just really want to go home now.

-Yeah.

0:50:370:50:41

-See you later.

-Yeah, I'll see you soon.

-See you soon.

0:50:460:50:50

It's four weeks since the semi-final

0:51:110:51:13

and I've caught up with Jackie, who's got some news.

0:51:130:51:17

I have decided that I'm going to go to Thailand

0:51:170:51:22

and while I'm there I'm going to have breast surgery.

0:51:220:51:25

A breast reduction, I assume?

0:51:250:51:27

Yeah, yeah, cos they're so huge(!) My bazoomas.

0:51:270:51:32

No, I'm going to have breast augmentation to make them bigger.

0:51:320:51:37

I kept asking Jackie whether she saw this

0:51:370:51:41

as the completion of her physical transformation into a woman.

0:51:410:51:44

But she was clear that wasn't the case.

0:51:440:51:47

No, I have boobs, I have natural boobs.

0:51:470:51:50

Like, I've been on oestrogen for, like, three, four years.

0:51:500:51:55

I've got like some natural growth

0:51:550:51:58

but they're not as big as I would like them.

0:51:580:52:00

I mean, I would like them bigger. Not crazy big,

0:52:000:52:02

I'm not going like I've got Jordan tits or owt, but...you know.

0:52:020:52:08

A nice pair of boobies!

0:52:080:52:10

MUSIC: "Pure Shores" by All Saints

0:52:120:52:15

Bangkok, one week later.

0:52:170:52:20

I've got to ask, do you feel self-conscious about your chest at the moment?

0:52:220:52:27

I don't know, it's just like I've wanted them done for ages.

0:52:270:52:32

But, again, it's not a necessity. I don't feel that I HAVE to...

0:52:320:52:36

Yeah, I do! I feel that I have to, but that's because I want to,

0:52:360:52:41

and I'm an impatient little bitch!

0:52:410:52:44

After leaving Jackie with the nurses,

0:52:580:53:00

Susie bravely waits it out by the pool.

0:53:000:53:03

'Well, like, yeah, of course I'm nervous, it's surgery.'

0:53:030:53:07

I'm worried she'll be disappointed, I'm worried about the pain that she's going to go through.

0:53:070:53:13

Nobody wants to know that their kid's going under the knife, really.

0:53:130:53:16

The next morning, procedure complete,

0:53:240:53:26

Jackie is groggy from the anaesthetic.

0:53:260:53:29

It's hard to tell what the result is

0:53:290:53:32

because it's only, like, 24 hours after.

0:53:320:53:35

The swelling will go down and stuff, so after that it'll be better,

0:53:350:53:40

but, yeah, I'm happy.

0:53:400:53:42

I might not seem it, but I am!

0:53:420:53:44

What does it feel like?

0:53:440:53:46

Er...like I've done a really long workout,

0:53:460:53:51

and then I've got some fat man sat on my chest.

0:53:510:53:54

-But at least it's over now.

-Yeah, it'll be fine.

-Yeah.

0:53:540:53:58

'I've brought clothes with me that fit me before and now they don't.

0:54:150:54:20

'It's quite hard to dress.'

0:54:200:54:23

Surprisingly enough, you can't wear the same clothes

0:54:230:54:26

when you've got boobs, as what you would when you don't have boobs.

0:54:260:54:30

I didn't really think about that.

0:54:300:54:32

'I was having a panic yesterday about it, I was thinking, "Oh, God, what have I done?"'

0:54:320:54:37

Had a really stupid, sad moment

0:54:370:54:40

cos it was just, like, "Why are you moaning? You have boobs!"

0:54:400:54:44

Six weeks on from the Miss England semis,

0:54:440:54:48

did Jackie regret not mentioning being trans

0:54:480:54:51

at such a crucial stage in the competition?

0:54:510:54:53

No. Being trans has nothing to do with it, really.

0:54:530:54:57

It shouldn't make a different as to whether I was

0:54:570:55:01

more or less likely to win, if you see what I mean, cos I'm a woman.

0:55:010:55:05

That doesn't make me who I am,

0:55:050:55:08

it just adds a little more...story.

0:55:080:55:14

I can't help but admire Jackie for what she's been through,

0:55:170:55:20

and what she represents.

0:55:200:55:22

She's a teenage girl who's not afraid to stand up to -

0:55:220:55:26

or even invite - prejudice and animosity by being honest

0:55:260:55:30

and open about the journey that made her.

0:55:300:55:33

She's been prepared to waive her anonymity, to stand up

0:55:350:55:39

and show people with similar issues that there is light

0:55:390:55:42

at the end of the tunnel, that there can be a happy end to their story.

0:55:420:55:47

And whatever the circumstances of your youth,

0:55:470:55:51

nothing need stop you from following your dreams.

0:55:510:55:53

I think some of it is sad,

0:55:530:55:55

but I think all of the shit that I've been through

0:55:550:55:59

has gone towards making me the character that I am,

0:55:590:56:01

to be able to look forward to things

0:56:010:56:04

and I'm having a really good fucking life, all right?

0:56:040:56:07

It's not sad, I'm not sad, so it's not a sad story.

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