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Every 4.6 seconds, somebody in Britain receives a parking ticket. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
-Not good. -Last year, councils issued more tickets than ever before. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:14 | |
You've been issued a ticket, mate. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
It's not really fair for only 2 minutes. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
Parking fines now raise hundreds of millions of pounds in revenue. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
They care about the money. Show me the money! | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
They're too fond of fining drivers. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
They're like vermin. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
Now the motorists of Britain are fighting back. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
Stop! Stop! 60 quid, mate. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
If I'm right I'll fight. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
Our way of life's at stake. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
-Because I'm a pensioner, I can't afford 70 quid. -All right, well now... Yeah, all right. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
It's a battle between citizen and state. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
-It seems like it's just a parking ticket. -But it's not. It's not. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
I think this country does need a revolution. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
So is this about parking or about something bigger about society? | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
No, this is about parking. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Councils enforce parking restrictions to ensure road safety | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
and the smooth flow of traffic along our streets. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
But there is a gang of masked riders who believe | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
some councils are over-stepping the boundaries, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
by using parking enforcement to make money out of motorists. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:32 | |
We've all got our names. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
We've got S&M, me, I'm the Bald Eagle, Steve. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
We've got Monkey Girl - she's not here today. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
S&M and Parking Warrior are going to be coming back very shortly. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
They're going to take us down to another car. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
Hold on. Car. Who's ready to go? | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
It's basically a mob of people that have got a single idea which is, | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
we're fed up with being treated as cash cows. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
We hold councils to account. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:04 | |
Today, the No-To Mob are in South London tailing a CCTV camera car. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:17 | |
-'Coco, Coco, confirm we have lost the car.' -'We're following the car.' | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
'We're just coming up to a set of traffic lights now.' | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
They follow the cars along the highways of Britain, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
warning motorists they're being watched. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
Brilliant. Well done. Wrong 'uns, ain't they? | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
They're only there to take money off the poor people. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
We started to follow them around to see what their habits were. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
What we found was that they returned time | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
and again to the same venues, and we call those venues honeypots. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
The Mob have tailed this car to Southwark. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
It's parked outside a Tesco Express. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
In our experience, the cars aren't very visible, | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
and that's what we do, we go out and we make them visible | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
by standing and holding out signs and pointing to the car. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
Southwark Council say their CCTV vehicles are clearly marked and not covert. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:17 | |
They urge motorists to read the road signs to avoid getting tickets. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
I totally agree with it, because I've just parked there to run in and get a newspaper the other day | 0:03:24 | 0:03:30 | |
and I got a ticket! And I thought the whole point of having that lay-by there | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
was so that people could park outside Tesco. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
-What's the point of putting it there? -You haven't seen the signage that's there, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
-so it obviously isn't good enough. -It isn't good enough. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
And they know it isn't good enough, because they've got him there | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
-waiting to catch people unawares, like yourself. -Oh, is that what they do? | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
That's what he's doing. That's how you got caught. That guy sits there. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
-They're doing it deliberately? -Yes. -What are you doing? | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
-We're warning and stopping people... -Well done. Well done. -..parking in that bay | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
for the couple of hours that they're not allowed to, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
so that they don't end up with these tickets. It's disgraceful. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
-What is the point of it? -The point of it is purely about making money out of motorists. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
-It's absolutely all it's about. -It is such a rip off. So well done. Well done. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
-This bloke's given us the thumbs up. -I like what these guys are doing. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
And they need to be all over the place. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
-I will be there to support them, yeah. -Well done, mate. Well done. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
-You have a nice one. -And you. Thanks a lot, mate. Cheers. See ya. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
We know the scale of the industry, and the fact that they use | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
the word "industry" is what really concerns us. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
I've long maintained that an industry should have a product, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
and the only product of this particular industry is human misery. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
Faced with paying out a record-breaking £700 million | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
in penalties to local councils, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
we now contest our tickets in unprecedented numbers. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
Motorists appeal first to the council, but if they're | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
unsuccessful, they can put the case to a dedicated Parking Tribunal. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:08 | |
Let me introduce myself, my name's Caroline Shepherd | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
and I'm the adjudicator who will deal with your case. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
I'm completely independent of the council and of yourself. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
Caroline Shepherd is the Traffic Penalty Tribunal's chief adjudicator. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
The Traffic Penalty Tribunal covers both England and Wales. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
There are about 280 local authorities all around the country | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
that are issuing parking tickets and Penalty Charge Notices. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
I'm afraid it's very common in traffic. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
And if you get one of those and you want to appeal against it | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
then you can write to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
and then the adjudicator will decide whether you have to pay or not. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
Tribunals take place in hundreds of towns and villages across England and Wales. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
Les Powell was given a ticket for parking on a single yellow line outside his bank in Cradley. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:04 | |
I'm not one to back away if I'm in the right. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:09 | |
Les has a disabled badge. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
It allows him to park on single yellow lines. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
He received a ticket after the traffic warden | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
maintained his Blue Badge was not on display. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
That Blue Badge was in my car and it was on show. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
And there's no sympathy whatsoever from these wardens. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:30 | |
And they think they're the Gestapo, Hitlers, the lot of them. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:36 | |
Because they've got their uniform on, they've got power. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
How much was your fine? How much? | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
£70. Well, I haven't paid it and I shan't pay it. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
I'll go to jail for it. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:48 | |
Do you really mean that? | 0:06:51 | 0:06:52 | |
-Oh, yeah. -Really? | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
I'll go to jail because I'm innocent. And that's it. I am innocent. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:02 | |
Today, Les will attend the tribunal to argue his case. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
If they want to take me to jail from tribunal, I'll go. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:11 | |
If I'm right I'll fight. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:17 | |
Les will be up against Sandwell Council's Head of Parking - Kira Flack. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
British people are very good, and they like to abide by the rules, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
and it's only a small minority that doesn't comply. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
And they are the ones we really need to educate. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
If I go here today they won't call me a liar because I shall be telling the truth. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
My father always told me, "Tell the truth and nobody can hurt you." | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
Now of course we have people who are not entirely truthful, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
but that may apply on both sides. We treat everybody equally. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
Motorists must gather their own evidence to | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
prove their case against the council. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
Typically, photographs are very helpful. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
People just really need to say what happened and the adjudicator | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
will then see whether that fits within the law or not. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
I'll need your name I'm afraid. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
My name's Aoulik. A-O-U-L-I-K. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
The council have brought along the Civil Enforcement Officer | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
who issued Les with the ticket. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
-So, Miss Aoulik, you issued the Penalty Charge Notice. -I did. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
Now would you like to tell us why you issued it? | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
The car was parked on a single line on the High Street in Cradley, and I could not see no Blue Badge. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:50 | |
She says that she didn't see the Blue Badge. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
OK, well, I'll deal with that in a minute. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
I'll give you a full chance to deal with that in a moment, but she says | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
she didn't see it at this stage, and then it's your turn, all right? | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
OK. So, yes. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
Then he became very rude and started shouting at me | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
and saying that I wasn't doing my job properly. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
She was standing in front of the car and I walked up | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
and I said, "What's the problem?" | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
She says, "You're parked illegally." I says, "Have you seen this?" | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
And she came round to the side of the car | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
and I pointed to the windscreen and the Blue Badge was on the dashboard. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
Is that correct? Is that correct, I'm asking you? | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
No, no, no, please. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
Right. Now Mr Powell says it was on the dashboard. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
It wasn't. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
Right, have we got any photographs? Page 23. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
-Just a minute, just a minute. -First of all... | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
Is that correct what I've just said? | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
All right, now let me just try and take this one step at a time. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
Because I'm a pensioner and I can't afford 70 quid. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
All right. Now please, that's OK. That's all right. Now please, Miss Flack. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
Yes. I was just going to explain why it was on that occasion. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
Let's go to the photographs. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
Let's have a look. It is normal to have closer pictures of dashboards. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
Why did not you not take one close-up on this occasion? | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
I just thought that was a normal picture to take. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
There could easily be a Blue Badge near the tax disc, could there not? | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
I'm not going to take this any further and I'll tell you why, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
because I think the photographs simply do not show that there was no Blue Badge there. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:39 | |
And so I'm allowing your appeal, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
-and there's no question of you paying anything, Mr Powell. -Thank you. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
I got justice. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:51 | |
And I'm 70 quid better off. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
It's not a matter of winning or losing, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
it's about getting the processes right. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
We should be doing the job fairly, equitably | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
and be fair to the customer. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
You call people customers, are they customers or are they citizens? | 0:11:07 | 0:11:13 | |
I mean, this is a local authority. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
They're both, they're citizens and customers. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
When they go in our car park and they buy a Pay and Display ticket | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
or they park on the street and buy Pay and Display ticket. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
They're our customers and we... They have expectations as a customer what | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
we should be providing them with and how we should be dealing with them. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
Like a business relationship? | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
Yeah. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
Kira Flack is in charge of Sandwell Council's traffic wardens. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
Chris Clarke has been patrolling these streets for three years. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
I get laughed at. You get the cars driving past | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
and trying to aim the splash of a big puddle straight at you. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
Yeah. I've had that as well. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:01 | |
Hello. Hello, you all right? | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
No, you have to move it on unfortunately, please. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
Honestly mate, you have to move it on from here straight away. Thank you. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
It's not in perspective at all. I've been spat at. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
I've... You know, people have wished harm on my children, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
wished harm on my family and all that kind of thing. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
Threats to kill, you know, you can get threatened to kill most days. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
Is this your car, sir? | 0:12:37 | 0:12:38 | |
-It's been issued with a PCN. -Say it again. -You've been issued a ticket. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
-I've been issued a ticket? -Yeah. -Why? -Double yellow lines right underneath your car. Say it again? | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
-Loading-unloading there yesterday. -You've got loading bays across there, but on double yellow lines. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
I was in the loading bay yesterday and they put a ticket on my car as well. That's the second time. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
All your details are on the back. OK. I understand. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
All your details are on the back of the PCN. You can appeal the ticket and explain | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
if you were loading-unloading. OK? | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
They're racist. The only people is Asian people, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
they always put tickets on Asian people's cars, you know what I mean? | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
It's the second time he's done it now, second time. Sort it out. Sort yourself out, you know what I mean? | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
They're racist people, they're racist to Asians. When Asians come together, watch what Asians do. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:20 | |
Wound me up. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:21 | |
If he read signs, he wouldn't get parking tickets. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
There's enough of them about. And there's a car park up there. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
How does the parking warden know who's got out of the car that's parked? He don't. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:38 | |
We are the baddies and it's just an opportunity to vent off an anger | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
and abuse at someone, I think. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
My name is David Binns. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
I'd like to make it clear I'm independent from the council. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
The Traffic Penalty Tribunal employs a team of 23 legally trained adjudicators. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
My name is Nicholls, I'm the adjudicator | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
appointed by the Traffic Penalty Tribunal. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
My name's Maggie Kennedy, I'm your parking adjudicator today. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
They handle over 20,000 cases every year - by post, over the phone and in person. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:16 | |
I do parking appeals all over England and Wales. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
Today I happen to be almost in Brighton. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
All you need to know about me really is that I'm an independent lawyer. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
I don't work for the council, I'm not on the council's side. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
I'm not on your side either. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
But I have had a good look at this, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
-and you've gone at this like a dog with a sausage, haven't you? -Yeah. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
I mean, you know, we're judicial pond life really. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
You know, we don't rank at all on the scale of things. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
That's all right. I've no great ambitions. I don't need to wear a wig, it's too hot. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
Now it's quite an interesting one, which doesn't interest you, but it interests me. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
Now unfortunately, I've been on to the council's website | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
and they don't have any photographic evidence available. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
I don't know whether that's very convenient for them. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
Don't get into conspiracies, no. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
'People tell the most outrageous stories sometimes, you know,' | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
the dog was sick and then the trolley wheel, | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
and then the bottom fell out of the bag and then the four-year-old | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
needs to go to the toilet, and all of these things happen, you know? | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
Sometimes they're telling the truth from their heart. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
I felt that the traffic warden had been just really - it was just | 0:15:08 | 0:15:15 | |
not a very nice thing to do, and I think everything's gone mad really. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
I feel justified that we arrived there, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
we were invited to park, there was that over there. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
I wouldn't stress too much that we were short of time, because we'd ten minutes to spare, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:32 | |
and the theatre's only a cock's stride from where we were. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
We just completely cover, you know, society from top to bottom, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
left to right, side by side. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
You know, all human life is there. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
-Thank you. -I won't shake hands, if you don't mind. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
-Yes. No. -I need to remain impartial. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
-Yes, I do understand. Yes. -Thank you, sir. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
-Thank you, goodbye, Mr Nicholls. -Good day. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
It's about the people, it's about the real stories | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
and just getting to talk to people and them looking at me | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
and saying, "Look, you know, this isn't fair." | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
I did not expect in the middle of the night that these wardens | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
come round at 7 o'clock in the morning. I couldn't believe it. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
What you're really complaining about is being caught, isn't it? | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
'In 25 years as a criminal prosecutor, I met some very polite' | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
murderers and burglars who were never in the least bit | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
upset that they were being prosecuted, but I've | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
prosecuted hundreds of careless drivers who were deeply offended, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
mortally offended by the suggestion that they were driving badly. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
And Penalty Charge Notice recipients tend to be along much the same lines. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:37 | |
The law is a very blunt weapon sometimes, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
and with the vehicle there, which you've accepted and is shown | 0:16:39 | 0:16:45 | |
in the photographs, on the zig-zag lines, the contravention happens. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
I have to conclude as a matter of law, the penalty charge is | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
properly issued and technically you do owe the penalty. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
Well, that decision is final, there is no further right of appeal | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
unless you want to go to the High Court in London and argue the law with the judges. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
I feel that strongly. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
Very few people do that. Usually because of the expense involved. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
On the whole, if you look at our statistics, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
more appeals are allowed than dismissed, but there are | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
provisions to go to the High Court just like any legal proceedings. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:18 | |
They can be judicially reviewed in the High Court, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
and this has happened about three times, | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
but it's not really an option that most people want to consider. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
Richard Chaumeton runs a building company in North London. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
He is preparing to take his local council to the High Court. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
They care about money, that's all they care about. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
Show me the money! | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
His fleet of 25 vehicles has received almost | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
1,000 parking tickets. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
Fucking hell, there's so much shite in here. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
These are all my on-going tickets with Camden. This is one location. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
Is there a system? | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
There will be soon. I mean I'm a builder, I'm not a Mrs Moneypenny. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:04 | |
Richard contests nearly every ticket he receives. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
If the boys park on a bus stop or on a Red Route, yeah, they get paid. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:12 | |
But I never pay tickets. I just about never pay tickets. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
There's always a reason for me parking on a double yellow line, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
which is usually I'm loading or unloading. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
The local authorities should realise they should leave the building | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
industry alone, and realise that we can't do our job without | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
vehicles, we have to deliver, we have to pick up rubbish. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
By law, Richard's vans are allowed to park on double yellows | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
for a limited time to load and unload. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
But he argues that, despite this, councils still issue him with tickets. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
Oh, it's mental. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:45 | |
There's probably £80,000 worth of fines there they tried to | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
make us pay and they probably had 2,000 quid off us if they're lucky. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
And that can't be right. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
I think some of these bureaucrats are nothing better than maggots. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
At the end of the day I'm stopping Camden stealing money off me, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
because that's how I see it. It's like legalised mugging. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
Camden Council say they're improving the way they issue tickets, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
and deny that parking is run to generate revenue. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
Today, Richard is making another appearance at tribunal | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
to contest his latest batch of tickets. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
I'm late. I've got to go in. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
A little bit late? | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
Yeah, I've got to go in because I'm late. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:32 | |
-How many tickets? -Four. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
It's an absolute liberty of my time, it's taking. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
This will be Richard's 57th visit to tribunal. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
He almost never loses. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
Camden Council are trying to get 1,040 quid off me, dirty bastards. | 0:19:55 | 0:20:01 | |
And they didn't get one penny of that. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
Dirty bastards for wasting my time. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
To try and put an end to the endless cycle of parking fines | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
and tribunal appearances, Richard has decided to try | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
and settle the issue once and for all. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
That's why I'm going to judicially review them, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
and put all my evidence in front of a High Court judge | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
and we're going to see what divisive bullshit they come out with, because | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
I know this much, a High Court judge won't accept their bullshit. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
They've picked a fight with the wrong guy, I tell you. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
And I don't go away. I do not go away, and I will not lie down and I always win. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
Camden, here I come. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:42 | |
Across the country, motorists are taking a stand. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
Barry Moss lives in Bolton | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
and is one of Britain's most high profile parking campaigners. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
Parking virtually took over my life, you know, with everything. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:09 | |
You don't wake up one morning and think "Ee, today I'm going to | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
"be a parking campaigner," you just... Events completely overtake you, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
and you just get involved with the issue of the day. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
After successfully contesting a series of parking tickets | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
at tribunal, Barry became convinced that Bolton Council | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
were issuing tickets unlawfully. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
I like things to be right. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
This is why we have the problems in Britain is because we don't complain enough. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
In 2010, Barry went all the way to the High Court to try to | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
prove that Bolton Council had money taken from unlawful parking tickets in their accounts. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:51 | |
If there's an injustice been carried out by a council | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
or any other organisation and that's where we can get redress, | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
then that's where we have to go. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
Is it not a little bit absurd to take parking tickets to the High Court? | 0:22:02 | 0:22:07 | |
No. No. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
Where am I going here? | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
Barry has dedicated his life to exposing the failings | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
and loopholes of parking restrictions. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
He does this by getting tickets - deliberately. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
Like here, we've got one here, see, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
where it's had a repair here in the road. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
I can park here all day. And you're not doing anything illegal. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:39 | |
You still know you're parking on a double yellow line, don't you? So it's a technicality. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
It doesn't matter, they know that it wants repairing. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
There's a civil enforcement officer there. What's this here? | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
The tickets give Barry the opportunity to challenge | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
the council at tribunal. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
The line here is completely missing. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:16 | |
There should be a line there, a line there, and a T-bar there. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
How can people comply with the Parking Places Order | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
if there's no lines? | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
Barry refuses to buy Pay and Display tickets | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
if he believes the council haven't painted the lines correctly. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
In comparison to the other street this is how they should be. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
I mean it's still illegal because there should be a double white line down there similar to | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
this one here which denotes the end of the bay. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
But everyone knows that's a parking place. So what's the difference? | 0:23:51 | 0:23:56 | |
Why does it matter? | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
Because they're not...it's like me and you then, "Oh, we'll make our own parking bay up, eh?" | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
Get a bit of yellow paint, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:04 | |
stick a couple of lines down and that's it, you know? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
That's basically what the council's done. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
Instead of looking at the book and saying, "Oh, this is what..." | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
These guys are on £700-£800 a week who's in charge of these things | 0:24:15 | 0:24:20 | |
and they should know what a bay looks like. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
Why does it bother you though that the council would do this? | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
Because they expect us to comply with all the laws of parking | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
and they're not doing it themselves, so it's a two-way street. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:38 | |
I'm just going to check to see if I've got ticket. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
Oh, I've got one. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
Success. Go to appeal with that. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
-Have you been booked? -Yeah. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
Oh, how awful. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
No, it's all right love, I got it on purpose. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Are you disabled or...? | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
What I'm trying to do is highlight the fact that they've not painted the lines. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
They've been like this for years and they should be nice and bright. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
I'm taking a picture of these non-existent lines. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
If everybody appealed, the system would go in to meltdown. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -Is that what you'd want? | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
That's what I'd want, yeah, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
for everybody to challenge their Penalty Charge Notice. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
If everybody said tomorrow, everyone who got a parking ticket from now, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
appealed, it would... The system would completely go in to | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
meltdown overnight, because there's only three in 1,000 appeal. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
Imagine if everybody appealed. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
In the last year, the number of wardens patrolling our streets | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
has declined, but tickets issued are still on the increase. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
Motorists are already at the mercy of new technologies and now have | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
to contend with the latest in mobile surveillance - | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
the CCTV camera car. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
Southend-on-Sea Council have recently purchased two. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
'It's diabolical, they're killing our trade.' | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
It forces our customers to shop elsewhere | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
because they will not shop down this area with this car floating round. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:37 | |
I've personally been targeted and had a fine for 30-odd pound. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:42 | |
The customer can't park in the mornings, from 7.30 to 9.30. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:48 | |
If they do, the camera car comes along, sits behind them | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
and books them. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
It doesn't let you know you've been tagged. That's spying. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
The only time you'll know you've been tagged with that car is | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
when that letter hits the door mat and then you feel abused, don't you? | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
If it's a traffic warden, a traffic warden gives time | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
for the customer to come back out the shop and move the vehicle. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
The camera car does not give that time. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
They pull up straight behind and book them. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
People do just quickly think, "Oh, I'm just going to go to the bank, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
"I'll quickly just draw some money out the cashpoint." | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
It's undercover, it's clandestine, isn't it? | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
I think it's disgusting. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:27 | |
That's just savage. That's Nazism, that is. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
It's our way of lives at stake. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:31 | |
Bob has run his own independent print shop for the last 15 years. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
I guess people round the town are pissed off. It's big brother. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
It's not the right way for the council to be behaving. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
They're terrorising the people of the town. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
They're affecting people's daily lives, affecting local businesses, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
yeah, and I've just stood up and said, "No, enough is enough." | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
I've made up an agenda. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
This is a mixture of last week's action points | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
and I've put some extra points in. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
Bob, along with other concerned members of the local community, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
has decided to form an action group against the use of the camera car. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
Right now we need to get them to sit up | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
and pay attention to what's been said, because, at the moment, all | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
they're doing, they're just proving that we don't live in a democracy. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
The spy car, really, it's the straw that's broken the camel's back. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
It's pushed everything over the edge | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
and the council have been getting away with too much for too long. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
But the first thing on here from last week was a group name. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
and I've thought of two. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
One - Preserve Southend. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
And the other - Welcome to Southend. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
I rather like SOS Spy Cars. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
SOS Spy Cars. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
Have you got any name that you think appropriate? | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
Well, I had a number. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
The Friendlier Parking Club. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
Or the Common Sense Parking Club, the Rational Parking Club. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
Perhaps it's a bit too posh, really. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
If we tooled out a spy car... | 0:29:07 | 0:29:08 | |
So we don't like Preserve Southend then, to preserve our town? | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
It's too long. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
It's got to be short and snappy and be memorable. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
We need to... | 0:29:16 | 0:29:17 | |
Right, OK, so have we agreed on a name then? | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
SOS Spy Cars. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
Right, OK. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:23 | |
Point four. Agreement was reached to develop 1984 theme for the spy car. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
Action is me to develop a poster. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
I didn't email it to you but I have come up with... | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
I have enhanced the idea a little bit. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
It's very eye-catching. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
Should it be, "Was this the future?" or, "Is this the future?" | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
Well, that's the whole twist, isn't it? | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
We're trying to change it, aren't we? | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
I mean, George Orwell said in the '40s that 1984 was the future, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
actually it's about 30 years later than he predicted, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
so therefore was it the future? | 0:30:06 | 0:30:07 | |
No, I'm not... Don't get me wrong, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
but, "Is Big brother Watching You!" | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
should be capital B for brother and a question mark at the end. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
But, I mean, it's brilliant. I mean, brilliant. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
But, yes, you're right, that is a question mark. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
-And it should be a big B. -Big Brother, yes, yes. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
I think it's brilliant, I'm not nitpicking, I'm just.. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
But other than that? | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
Very, very good, yeah. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:27 | |
Yeah? What's happening here is happening nationwide | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
so my own personal feeling is the objective of us | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
as a group should be to get rid of the spy car. That simple. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
Mission statement completed, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
Bob calls in motorbike gang the No-To Mob | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
to deal with the camera car. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
Hopefully, you'll be able to provide us with sufficient intelligence | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
so that we can go down and properly investigate the cars | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
and the way they're being operated, so it's a two-way street. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
Yeah, I mean, one of the things we find that they do use | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
the small parade of shops as their hunting ground. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
Oh, well, that sounds good. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
And the councils are just kicking the small businesses in the crutch. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
I can see the problem that you've got down there and I think | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
you've got one of those arrogant councils that think that they | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
know best, and we will be bringing it to their attention, shall we say. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
-RADIO RECEIVER: -'Bald Eagle, if you're within radio range, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
'we are still on London Road.' | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
They've got two cars. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
The first thing is to locate the cars. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
They're both there. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
We are just around the corner from you, I believe. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
It's a needle in a haystack. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
Where's he going? | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -Is it like a game? | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
It's more chess really. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
-RADIO RECEIVER: -'Bald Eagle, Bald Eagle, we have a car, over.' | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
There they are, right in front of us. Right on the sea-front. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
You've just got to outwit them, that's all. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
When you do find it, it's a huge buzz. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
It's a huge buzz and you've got it. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
Because once you've got it now you're going to make them | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
do proper enforcement, not hide from the general public and fine them. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
You're going to be able to tell the public, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
"Listen, you're not going to hide now, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
"we're going to tell the public where you are | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
"and that's what your job's supposed to be." | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
There are strict guidelines laid down by the Secretary of State | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
that govern how these cars must be used. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
They must only operate where it is difficult or | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
impractical for a traffic warden to patrol on foot. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
These cars are not being used in that way. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
They're being deployed willy-nilly. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
This is statutory guidance, you must comply with it, and they're not. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
They're not. They're just sending the cars out where it's equally | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
practical for a CO to go. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
At the moment, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:50 | |
the vast majority of councils are not listening to the public and it | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
seems that it's become all about the money and less about public service. | 0:32:55 | 0:33:00 | |
It's not just mobile cameras that are catching motorists. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
Bus lane cameras are the fastest growing | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
method of enforcement in the UK. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
Since last year, the number of tickets | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
issued for driving in them has shot up to over half a million. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
Brighton and Hove City Council use cameras to monitor their bus lanes. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
The aim is to keep them free of traffic in a city that wants | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
to promote the use of public transport. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
Andy Capie was caught and given a £60 penalty. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
There's some little guy in his office up there with the camera, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
sort of, "Oh, there's one!" And start controlling the CCTV, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
you know, with his joysticks, I guess he has. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
So, yeah, it's down to one individual up there, | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
by chance, seeing me in the wrong place at the wrong time. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
"Get him, got to get him." | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
Today is Andy's tribunal hearing. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
His defence is that the sign warning him | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
not to turn in to the bus lane was not visible at the time. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
You'll see on my photograph it is not in this position. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
In fact, this was kind of like at that angle, and you'll see it. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:24 | |
I mean, I've got it on my phone. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
There we go. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
One full-colour, glossy-finish photograph... | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
..the evidence that will result in me getting the penalty cancelled. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
Fingers crossed. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
What I object to is you are considered to be guilty | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
until proven innocent. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
I think most people will get the letter saying, "You are fined £30. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
"We've got evidence that you've gone in to this bus lane. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
"If you don't pay within two weeks or appeal, then it goes up to 60." | 0:35:00 | 0:35:05 | |
They'll go, "I'll pay the £30." | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
And that's what the schemes encourage. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
They encourage people to admit to something even if they're | 0:35:11 | 0:35:16 | |
not in the wrong, because they have the threat of the fine | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
doubling within a quite short space of time. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
Present we have Mr Andy Capie. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
From Brighton & Hove City Council, we have Mr Iain Worrall. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
Would you like to then tell me what challenge you make to this? | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
OK. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
Well, the one photograph that I want, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:38 | |
that I've printed off so you get a much better view is this one. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
And, basically, in that photograph, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
it shows this no right hand turn sign. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
You make the point clearly. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
Mr Worrall, how do you respond to that? | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
That does rather challenge the council's evidence | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
of adequate signage on this particular occasion. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
Yeah. I accept, actually, that, from the photographs that you've | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
sent in, that the no right turn sign isn't the correct way round. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
So, yeah, I totally accept what you're saying there. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
Right. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:11 | |
I think we find... I'm satisfied that on this particular day | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
the signage was defective because it was not in the right position | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
and visible and therefore you get the benefit of that doubt. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
I will find this contravention did not happen and I will cancel | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
or instruct the council to cancel this Penalty Charge Notice. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
OK. Good. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:30 | |
And just before we end, is there any potential for claiming expenses? | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
You can claim but you won't get them. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
The regulations under which we operate specify | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
that that power will only be very rarely exercised. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
So the time it's taken to appeal this and the... | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
Time is what it is, I'm afraid. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
-So there's no recompense for that at all? -No. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
This could have been very easily prevented and I think | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
that's a shame, because it has taken up a lot of my time to do this. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
-You're not alone in this. -No, I know. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
The flexibility and discretion I have is quite | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
limited by the government regulations, I'm afraid. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
I know, it's out of your control, yeah. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
-I have to apply those first and foremost and that's what I do. -OK. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
-Thanks for your time. -All right, thank you very much then. Thank you. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
This year, bus lane cameras netted Brighton and Hove City Council | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
over half a million pounds. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
I do believe it should be enforced. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
Before we had them, the bus lanes were completely clogged with | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
vehicles that shouldn't be there and buses didn't run on time. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
And we know, yeah, it is proven that they do work. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
We still get vehicles in the bus lanes - 30 to 40 a day | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
on a normal shift - but that's way less than it used to be so we | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
know it's effective and we know that the buses run, you know, on time. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
A new bus lane in Medway, Kent | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
has caught the attention of the No-To Mob. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
Motorists, oblivious to the signs, | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
are driving into the bus lane from two entry points. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
The fine is £60. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
It's going to get you if you come down that bus lane, isn't it? | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
Medway are giving out roughly 500 tickets a week to unfortunate | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
motorists who are simply not seeing the signs. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
Bald Eagle takes the top entrance to the bus lane. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
Kill Switch and Coco work the other end. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
Right, can I advise you not to turn left or right, you'll get a ticket. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
It's now a bus lane. So you're going to have to do a U-turn. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
You think it's a really bad sign? It isn't clear enough, is it? | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
It's not big enough. It's not good enough, is it? | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
Oh! | 0:38:37 | 0:38:38 | |
See, another one didn't see the signs. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
I want Medway Council to come down here and stand with me | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
for a little while. Just come and talk to us, that's all we want. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
We just want you to talk to us. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
The man responsible for the cameras in the bus lane is Andy McGrath. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
The council's position is that we would love it if we never | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
issued another ticket in that area because that would mean nobody was | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
driving through the bus station and that would be our preferred option. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
And we're still issuing, I guess, a significantly higher | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
number of tickets than I would have expected but, having said that, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
I've visited the site many times myself | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
and it's got 13 statutory signs | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
explaining that you can't drive a car through there. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
Medway Council at the moment are burying their heads in the sand. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
They're saying, "No, we've got the right signs." | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
Yes, you have got the right signs. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
The problem is people aren't seeing them. That's not fair. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
HE WHISTLES LOUDLY | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
You're very welcome. Thank you. Cheers. Bye. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
Stop! Stop! | 0:39:53 | 0:39:54 | |
60 quid, mate! | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
It's cost you 60 quid! | 0:40:01 | 0:40:02 | |
Some people don't want to get helped. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
Oh, well, win some and then the council wins some more. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
Whoa, whoa, whoa! | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
It's a pot of honey for the council and for the enforcement authority. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
Hello, mate. I just want to warn you | 0:40:24 | 0:40:26 | |
if you go left or right ahead you're going to get a £60 fine. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
-Did you see the signs? -No, I didn't. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
No, I know you didn't. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:32 | |
-That's another 60 quid the council aren't going to get. -Yeah. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
In seven-and-a-half hours, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
the No-To Mob managed to stop 166 motorists from using the bus lane, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:46 | |
saving them £10,000 worth of fines. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
-You're absolutely fantastic. -Thank you very much. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
You really, really are. You deserve, you know, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
every good thing that comes your way, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
cos you're, you know, for the people, as it were, you know. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
You're absolutely spectacular, you really, really, really are. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:04 | |
Parkex is Europe's largest parking trade show. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
Each year, companies come here to sell the latest technology | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
in parking enforcement to local councils. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
We're very pleased to bring to market our latest offer, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
which is the product of two years of R&D, so this year we're very | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
pleased to come to Parkex and launch this product. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
It's a lucrative industry, worth over £1 billion. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
OK, this is an example of perhaps one of the more modern | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
kinds of parking machines. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
I grant you, it doesn't look terribly modern, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
but it looks pretty familiar to us all. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
The No-To Mob intend to visit the show | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
to gather fresh intelligence on the latest technology. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
We can be clandestine if we need to be and we fully expect | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
to get thrown out because we will be unveiling a little present for them. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:08 | |
But I'll keep that one under my hat for now. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
'Bald Eagle, Bald Eagle, this is Coco, are you receiving? Over.' | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
'Bruce, Bruce are you receiving? Over.' | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
They all go down there and pat themselves on the back, essentially. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
And, "We're going to sell this to the councils | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
"the best way that we can, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
"so that we can encourage them to increase their revenue." | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
They'll never admit it to you | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
but we know exactly what Parkex is about. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
'Sorry, say again, say again. It's Coco. Over.' | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
It's huge. The money that's involved | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
and when there's a lot of money at stake, then you're looking at greed. | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
Pure and simple. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
It's a drug. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:04 | |
They're hooked on it | 0:43:04 | 0:43:05 | |
and they can't see the damage that this is doing to the local economy. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:11 | |
We want them to know that we're keeping an eye on them, definitely. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
When Barry took his case to the High Court, | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
he became embroiled in a two-year legal battle. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
In the end, the judge ruled against him and he lost. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
The risk is that you've got to pay the costs of not only your own | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
barristers but the barristers of the defendants. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
Court costs mean Barry now stands to lose everything. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:58 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -How much do you owe because of that case? | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
It's around about £43,000 now. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
They are trying to get me out of my house by selling the house | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
and putting me out on the street. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
We can't pay it. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:13 | |
If they've got to sell the house to get the money, | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
then unfortunately that's the way it's got to be. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
It's the wife who is very stressed out over it, because of it. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
I built this house with my own hands, with the help of the wife. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
We built it with our own hands and it is now at risk. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:48 | |
Do you have any regrets? | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
No, I have no regrets, no. None at all. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
So losing the house doesn't worry you? | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
Yes, it does worry me a little, yeah, yeah. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
Yeah. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:06 | |
Yeah, because I've finally... I've finally got somewhere that | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
I wanted, a house with a south-facing rear aspect and the sheep on | 0:45:12 | 0:45:19 | |
the field at the back, they come up and they take bread out your fingers. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:24 | |
It does worry me a little, yeah, but I can't do nothing about it. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:29 | |
So, in hindsight, would you do it again? | 0:45:31 | 0:45:35 | |
Yes. Yes. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
A lot of people will question why did I risk my house | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
to go to the High Court but you don't think that | 0:45:47 | 0:45:52 | |
it's going to be at risk when you do it, otherwise you wouldn't do it. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
If I thought for one minute that I was going to lose, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
I wouldn't have gone anywhere near the High Court. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
Anyone who goes to the High Court always think they're going to win. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
Today, Richard is taking his case to the High Court. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
They're not fit. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
They're not fit to be allowed to run parking. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
I want to put them in their place. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
I want to put them in their place and when the High Court judge | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
has told them, "Don't do this, don't do that," then they've been told. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:32 | |
He hopes the evidence he's gathered will be enough to convince a judge | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
that his council are illegally using parking to raise revenue. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:40 | |
Making these bundles up has cost a packet. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -Do you worry about that? | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
The expense that you've gone to and... | 0:46:47 | 0:46:48 | |
No, no, because, eventually, I'll take this to court, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
I'll prove Camden Council are up to an awful lot of no good and then | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
they'll stop issuing all the tickets they do and...etc, etc. | 0:46:56 | 0:47:00 | |
And then I won't have to spend endless hours every week, writing | 0:47:00 | 0:47:05 | |
letters to tickets that should never have been issued in the first place. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
Is there a risk involved, going to the High Court? | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
Oh, yeah. Yeah. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:13 | |
Probably a 100 grand, 200 grand bill if it all goes wrong, | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
something like that. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
Are you confident? | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
Yeah. Yeah, I'm well confident. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
If I lose this, it's bent. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
The battle lines between motorist and council have been drawn | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
and the fight looks set to continue. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
There needs to be trust between the citizens in their cars | 0:47:47 | 0:47:52 | |
and the authorities. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
At present, it doesn't always appear that that trust | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
exists on either side. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
When it stops is when the council sees sense | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
and realise that they can't use motorists as cash cows. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:10 | |
They cannot use revenue-driven enforcements, it's against the law. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
It's as simple as that. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:14 | |
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