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In the UK, someone gets a parking ticket every three seconds. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
-You can appeal against it. -I will appeal, don't worry. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
I think it's disgusting. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
CAR HORN BLARES | 0:00:10 | 0:00:11 | |
With more cars than ever on our roads, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
the battle over parking has reached boiling point. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Is there any questions you want to ask me now? | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
How do you sleep at night? | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
You people, you rob the general public. You're absolute vermin. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
Just tear your heart out and just leave it at home. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
With space at a premium, councils need parking controls. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
We've got a board that says "car park full", | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
and they drive round it. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
Engine's off. Door's open. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
She's got a baby and can't even park outside her own bloody house. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
I'm going to allow the appeal. You don't have to pay. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
Oh, I feel great. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:44 | |
But for many, parking enforcement is a direct attack on motorists. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
It's just about the money. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
In my opinion, they are bloodsuckers. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
You've got no compassion doing the job that you're doing. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
And staff are in the firing line... | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
"Come back round here and we'll shoot you" | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
is the most common thing you'll hear up here. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
If you are civilised, you will not tell somebody that "I hate you". | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
..as they deal with parking madness. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
You might as well just stand here and nick it off of people. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
When I say I hate them, I mean I hate them. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
Every month, 900,000 Penalty Charge Notices | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
are issued in the UK. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
The majority of people pay on time. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
For those who don't pay, there is even harsher enforcement - | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
the bailiffs. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
How much is owed? | 0:01:37 | 0:01:38 | |
Outstanding is £485.44. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
I have a warrant for this vehicle. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
If I don't receive any details soon about this vehicle | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
or someone pays me some money then the car's going on the back of that. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
She just bought the car, you can see she's learning! | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
Oi, mellow! You've been told already. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
All live PCNs outstanding for Croydon, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
so, between us, we've probably got a couple of hundred thousand records. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
Today, bailiffs Whyte & Co | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
have joined a roadside police operation in Greenwich. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
Using Number Plate Recognition cameras, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
they're able to stop drivers with unpaid parking fines. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
This is ridiculous. I haven't even had any... | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
I haven't even had any notice. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
Bailiff Steve has pulled over roofer Peter Hall | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
for a parking fine that has now risen to £500. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
How's it 500 quid? What's the parking fine? | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
You've got £127 for the parking fine and the council's fee. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
Yeah. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
You've got 320.20 for our fees. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
You've got £64... | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
320! Is that what you get?! 320?! | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
-You've got £64. -I am in the wrong game, ain't I? | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
Working hard for money, it's no way, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
you might as well just stand here and nick it off of people. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
That's much better, ain't it? | 0:02:51 | 0:02:52 | |
We don't want to be taking your vehicle, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
but I will be taking your vehicle. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
I know, you keep telling me, but if I can't get the money... | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
If you can't get the money, you might as well just | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
put your hands up and just say, "I can't." | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
But then I'm never going to get the money, then, am I? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
How am I going to get the money? | 0:03:05 | 0:03:06 | |
-I don't know, sir, that's not our problem, unfortunately. -Well, of course not. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
What are you going to do? Take my motor, sell it in auction, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
get your money? What happens then to me? | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
Just go and... | 0:03:15 | 0:03:16 | |
Well, you might as well lock me up now, actually, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
cos I'll just have to go out and commit a crime or something | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
to get my money, cos there's no way I can get it now. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
-Not the best place to admit that. -Well, yeah, but I might as well, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
at least I'll get fed if I'm in nick, won't I? | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
He's had quite a number of letters | 0:03:29 | 0:03:30 | |
and it's gone on now the best part of ten months. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
He claims to know nothing about it, but.. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
I can't believe you're going to take my truck. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
I can't.. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:44 | |
These guys, these guys, it's ridiculous. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
How can a parking fine be £511? | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
Even if it's over three months, you know, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
that's worse than getting one of these Wonga.com loans. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
You know, they're high interest. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:58 | |
How it can work out to £511 is beyond me. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
It's just highway robbery. They are just thieves and robbers. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
Something I've never done in my life. That's what they do. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
But they do it legal, it's all legalised. It's a joke. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
I feel like topping myself. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
Do you know what? I do, I feel like going home, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
switching on the gas and sticking my head in an oven, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
cos all I'm doing is just treading water. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
On the frontline are Civil Enforcement Officers, or CEOs, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
responsible for handing out Penalty Charge Notices. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
On we go. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
Horsham District Council employs 12 of them to patrol the town. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
They've been instructed to adopt a more softly, softly approach. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
Hello. | 0:04:58 | 0:04:59 | |
Are you going to be here very long, my love? | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
I just want to get a sandwich from the little restaurant. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
All right, just be mindful, though, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:05 | |
-you've stopped on double yellow lines. -Oh, I didn't realise. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
They look after the parking in the town, they interact with the public. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
Their duty is to help the public. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
It's never ever been famous as the most popular job to do. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
They try and make sure that they have a friendly face for the town. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
I've only been five minutes... | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
LAUGHING: That's five minutes too long! | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
-But if you would, please. -I'll move it right now! | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
Thank you. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:29 | |
-Just a bit further up... -Yeah, OK. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
There are no lines there. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:34 | |
-All right then. Won't be a sec. -Thank you. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
Despite this, Horsham's CEOs aren't everybody's cup of tea. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
I think we ought to have another little scout round, Matt, I think. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
Residents Mike and Matt are on a mission | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
to get parking prices reduced. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
To make their point, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
they're targeting council profits.. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
..by renewing expired parking tickets themselves | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
before the CEOs can issue fines. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
When you get back, you don't get fined. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
-And they won't give you a ticket? -No, because I'm paying for it. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
That's, what? Is that four? | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
We're paying car tax, we've got car insurance, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
we've got high fuel prices. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
Then you've got to go and pay... | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
You've got to pay to park that vehicle | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
to get you to the town which you're about to support... | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
-Yeah. -..and spend more money. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
And, on top of that, as we all know, because you're spending money, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
you come back late and you get another. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
More money, please. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
Given them an extra hour. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
OK, nice one. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:35 | |
Every weekend, Mike and Matt spend up to £60 | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
of their own money on a campaign they call Random Acts of Kindness. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
There's bound to be another one down there. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
If you see one of these on your car, it's basically that we've decided | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
to pay for your parking so you don't get a fine. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
I mean, the reason why we do this is that, erm... | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
we hate the council. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Here, Matt, go and grab a ticket, probably just up that end, mate. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
Today, they're renewing tickets | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
in Horsham's multi-storey car park in the town centre. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
Where's he going? | 0:07:17 | 0:07:18 | |
On the third floor, they spot a CEO about to issue a ticket. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
He doesn't, after seeing the new ticket | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
that Matt and Mike have already paid for. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
For Mike, it's a chance to confront the enemy. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
Why have we been issued a ticket? | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
There's a ticket on the car. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
There's a valid parking ticket on this, displayed on the windscreen. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
We've got another warden about to... | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
Are you going to issue a ticket on this car, sir? | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
I don't have to answer you. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
I'm just asking you a question. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
So, can I ask what you were doing with that ticket then, sir? | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
You were just about to issue that car a ticket | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
when we'd already paid for it. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:57 | |
You thought we'd disappeared. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
I will be reporting it to Horsham District Council, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
what you were about to do today. I will do. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
Yeah, thank you very much, all right. You're welcome. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
Come on, let's go, we've got to go. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:10 | |
Despite the CEO not issuing a ticket, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
Mike decides to pursue him down the street. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
Ooh, I'm shaking in my boots(!) | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
Yeah, you are, because your attitude absolutely stinks. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
We're trying to do a good thing here | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
and it's people like you that are giving Horsham a bad name. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
You're entitled to your opinions. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
I am entitled to my opinion. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
Do I look bothered? | 0:08:30 | 0:08:31 | |
You're not bothered, are you? | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
-No. -Because there's no compassion in your job. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
Cos I have a clear conscience. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
You've got no compassion doing the job that you're doing. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
Is that what you're doing? | 0:08:39 | 0:08:40 | |
Is that what you're doing as a public servant, is it? | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
Sir, you don't know what's just happened. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
Mellow, all right? | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
At the joint police and bailiff operation in Greenwich, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
roofer Peter Hall has persuaded a friend to pay his £511 fine. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:05 | |
If I'd have known about it, I'd have sorted it, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
but I've just drove along here and just got captured. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
I hope it goes through. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:14 | |
Got you bang to rights, they're going to take your truck. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
And the geezer's going, "Oh, take your tools out." | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
Carry them on your back! | 0:09:21 | 0:09:22 | |
I know, they don't live in the real world, do they? | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
511 quid! | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
A bailiff for over ten years, experience has taught Alan | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
the value of involving the police in their operations. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
40% of those involved in unpaid parking fines | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
are actually involved in other forms of criminal activity. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
So our data is quite useful to the police. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
We've found people on the run for murder, class A drugs, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
with sawn-off shotguns in the boot... | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
Alan's next fine evader isn't hiding anything suspicious, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
but the bailiffs have been after him for 12 months. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
You have a bill of £585.48 that needs paying today | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
or I'm afraid we're going to be seizing the vehicle. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
You say this is your father-in-law's address? | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Yes. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:10 | |
So has he not told you you've got letters? | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
Can you pay by card? | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
He has three young children in the car | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
and he's trying to take them to school. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:27 | |
I have given him the opportunity to pay maybe over half of the debt | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
now and pay the rest next week, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
and he can't pay a penny, so, unfortunately, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
we're now forced to take the vehicle. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
If it isn't paid within seven days, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
the vehicle will get sold at auction, OK? | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
-All right? -Yeah. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
He's chosen not to pay it, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
so he's kind of put himself in this situation. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
And we're just following, you know, a lawful process. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
So, you know, the only person he really has to blame is himself. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
As well as the parking fine, the motorist will have to pay | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
an additional £200 to have his vehicle released. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
If he doesn't, it'll be sold at auction. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
Motorists who want to fight their Penalty Charge Notice | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
attend Traffic Penalty Tribunals, like this one in Sheffield. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
Take a seat, please. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
Just take a seat. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:24 | |
-Morning. -Good morning. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
My name is Steven Knapp. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
I'm a lawyer and the adjudicator for this hearing | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
so it is an entirely independent consideration of your appeal. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
Run by independent adjudicators, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
they offer a final stage of appeal for drivers disputing parking fines. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
I'd looked for some signage and there wasn't any. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
And so I thought it would be fine just for a couple of minutes | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
while I popped into the bank. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
Had I know they were yellow lines, I wouldn't have parked there or bought a ticket. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
We'd been shopping, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
and my mum's had two knee replacements. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
I just said to myself, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
"Well, how could you possibly miss them?" | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
There's a side road. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:11 | |
There's a road that's bollarded off | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
and when you get past it, there's another side road, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
and you can go left, but it's after. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
I mean, the line doesn't have to be in perfect condition, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
it's just a question of fact as to whether or not it's clear enough. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
Can you drive that way... | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
-No. -..along the road? Right, OK. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
No, you can't. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
And never before had a PCN? | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
No. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:35 | |
I don't know what happened, but it's up to the council | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
to demonstrate that it had been properly issued, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
and I think, taken as a whole, that whole stretch between the bin | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
and the Pay & Display machine was very poorly marked. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
So for that reason I am going to allow the appeal, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
because I'm not satisfied that the contravention occurred. OK? | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
I will allow the appeal on the basis of the issues. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
The first Tony Warrington knew about his parking violation | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
was when he received a letter from the council | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
for non-payment of a Penalty Charge. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
It was issued for his car being illegally parked in a loading bay. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
But, at the time of the incident, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
the car was being driven by his nephew. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
Right. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:16 | |
First and foremost, I would like to stress that | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
I was not using my car on the night of the alleged offence. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
Well, as I understand it, the issue, you weren't driving, it's your... | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
No. Nephew. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
It's your car, but your nephew... | 0:13:26 | 0:13:27 | |
The principle there then is that, because you're the owner, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
you may know by now, that it's a question of owner liability, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
so it's the owner, not the driver, in a parking offence. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
It's not the same for speeding and things like that... | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
-Yeah. -But for parking contraventions, it's owner liability. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
Tony's also disputing the council's photographic evidence, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
which consists of a picture of the parked vehicle | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
and a separate photo of the loading bay sign, but not of them together. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
If my car was photographed with a loading bay sign behind it, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
I would pay the fine. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
It's just a picture. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
The council have even sent me a picture of a loading bay sign, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
what does that mean? | 0:14:10 | 0:14:11 | |
I can send you a picture of a loading bay sign. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
OK. So your submission is that these photographs | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
don't demonstrate that the contravention occurred? | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
No, they don't. They don't. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
They are dark, but you have to look at this as a whole. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
I mean, first of all, the Civil Enforcement Officer | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
has made a note about what happened on the handheld computer. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
Secondly, the photographs do show, in my judgement, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
taken together, that there is a bay there. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
You can see the bay in the bottom right-hand photograph on page 25, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
and there's also the sign, which I'm satisfied was next to the bay. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
So, I am satisfied that the bay was correctly signed. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
Tony has one last ace up his sleeve - | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
the 1689 Bill of Rights. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
The Bill of Rights 1688/1689 states that all grants | 0:14:58 | 0:15:03 | |
and promises of fines are fortuitous of particular persons | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
before the conviction are illegal and void. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
This cannot be repelled. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
We have the right to a fair trial and due process. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
The council is a service created by man | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
and as such requires contracts to claim authority. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
So, do you want to say anything about that? | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
-That's it. -OK. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
Well, I'm afraid, Mr Warrington, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
that I think your view of the law is incorrect. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
It sounds to me like you've been looking at one or two websites. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
The Bill of Rights used to be... | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
A few years ago, everybody was bringing it up. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
There is a High Court case | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
which actually puts an end to that argument, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
so that's not actually right. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
I'm afraid I'm going to dismiss the appeal. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
You will get a written decision | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
and I will set out in detail what I think the law is, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
and, obviously, if you disagree with that, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
then you have a right of challenge to the High Court | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
if that's what you think is required. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
OK, thank you very much. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
There was no proof at all that my car was there. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
Just three darkened photographs and a picture of a loading bay sign. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
If I was guilty, I would pay... | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
but no, the council... | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
It's just a quick buck, you see, and I refuse to pay. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
In Worthing, bailiff Alan and his new recruit, Paul, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
are chasing drivers with unpaid parking fines. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
Part of the fun of bailiffing | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
is you just never know what you're going to find. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
You can have days where you've found six cars | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
and got six payments before 10 o'clock. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
You could have days where you're out on a 12-hour day, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
meet no-one, see no-one, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
those you do meet, spit at you... | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
You know, could be lovely, a lovely day. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
This morning, they're going door to door, | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
trying to speak to them in person to collect the debt. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
Nah. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
79... | 0:17:15 | 0:17:16 | |
It's potentially that one, I think, isn't it? | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
Hello? | 0:17:21 | 0:17:22 | |
Well, there's a bank statement on the table here. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
Oh, it's very much like being a detective, yeah. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
Quite a lot of people make stories up. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
Looking for Matthew Gilligan? | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
-I think my sister kicked him out about three or four months ago. -Right, OK. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
A good bailiff will keep asking sufficient questions, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
a bit like a police officer does, keep asking questions | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
and maybe throwing the odd curve ball. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
So what, he was the girlfriend's partner, was he? | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
-My sister's. -Oh, your sister's partner. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
-My sister's partner, yeah. -OK. Any idea where he went? | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
Mate, she kicked him out, she'd had enough of him | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
and kicked him out, so I wouldn't have a clue. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
OK, mate. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
Is there anybody with sort of details of a council tax bill | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
or a utility bill we can just take the details off? | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
My sister would know where it all is, mate, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
I wouldn't have a clue where it is. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
-Right. -So, like I said, she ain't back until Thursday. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
-She's away, is she? -Yeah. -OK, mate. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
-All right, well thanks for that. -That's OK. -Cheers. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
I'll take that away. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:20 | |
So far, it's been a fruitless morning. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
But, in another part of town, they've located a BMW | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
that has 22 outstanding tickets. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
He'd have got another ticket today if it wasn't clamped, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
which would have made 23, so he's clearly quite keen on... | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
Maybe he's repainting his house, repapering his house with tickets. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
He's probably got enough to do a bathroom at the moment. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
We'll stop him getting to the lounge, I think. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
It's bad news for the owner, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
but the scale of his offences is good news for Alan and Paul. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
Bailiffs are on performance-related pay. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
We earn commission based on what they recover. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
This guy owes over £3,000 in unpaid parking fines. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
If this guy pays, then Paul's buying breakfast. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
Here we go. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:12 | |
The arrival of the tow truck is closely followed by the car's owner. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Where do you live now? In this road? | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
This road, yeah. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
Well, the DVLA and the council have been sending us to that address. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
Suddenly, a tow truck turns up with flashing lights | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
and all of a sudden they come running down the road. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
Quite interesting. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:30 | |
You've got unpaid parking fines with us as bailiffs. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:36 | |
OK, well, let's get cracking and just sort it out then. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
OK. We've got a balance of £3,469.04. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
Right. OK. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
So if we can get that resolved, you can have your car back. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
We can take a card payment, if you wish. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
Yeah... Um... | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
And then we'll take the clamp off and you can have your car back. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
-Right. -All right? | 0:20:01 | 0:20:02 | |
-Well, give us five minutes. -Yeah, no worries, mate. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
I'd much rather you pay than we have to take it, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
cos it's hassle for us, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
so if we can get this resolved, that'll be great. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
Well, obviously, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
if he can't come up with the money, then the car's going, end of. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
The owner can't come up with the £3,000. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
OK. All right, well, we'll be forced to take | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
-the vehicle then, I'm afraid, sir. -Right. If I can have some | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
-details to contact you then. -Yeah. OK. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
Chris! Chris! | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
Carry on. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
A car with keys will go for more money at auction, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
but first Alan has to convince the driver to hand them over. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
Are you pretty confident you'll come up with | 0:20:52 | 0:20:53 | |
-the money in the next few days? -I am, yeah. Completely. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
Well, if you can give us the key then it won't damage the vehicle | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
getting it on the tow truck, that'll just be easier. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
Don't want to cause any damage. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:03 | |
Got the keys. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:06 | |
We've won the game, he's lost. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:10 | |
Up till now, he's been winning, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
because he's not at the address we've been going to, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
so, today, this is one where we've won over them. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
You know, millions of motorists pay Pay & Display every day. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
They park legitimately, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
they go about their business normally. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
People that go around not paying, you know, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
not paying for the parking or parking illegally | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
or parking in contravention, parking where they're a nuisance, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
and getting away with it, of course, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:35 | |
it's not fair on all those that do pay, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
so, you know, it is fairly satisfying | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
to know that you've caught one that's been fairly persistent. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
The BMW's owner did eventually pay his fine | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
and got his car back before it was sold at auction. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
In the last five years, a 20% rise in parking appeals | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
and tribunals has led to an increase in legal firms and self-styled | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
parking experts offering help to beleaguered motorists. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
Meet the Black Beret. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
I'm a parking campaigner. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
Oh, fair enough. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:21 | |
If you ever have a ticket, ring that number. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
I like that, what's that all about? | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
Have a read. If you've ever had a parking ticket, read that. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
Behind the mask is former schoolteacher Albert Herbert - | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
a self-taught specialist in parking law | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
who offers his expertise free of charge. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
I started fighting parking tickets seriously, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
I mean, the last three years, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
when my son drove down a contraflow bus lane in Kingston. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
I just went straight to the legislation | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
and discovered that it had one word wrong, | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
and they cancelled it. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:01 | |
I know more about the law than a lot of these councils do. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
Now Albert thinks he's found an even bigger flaw | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
in the wording of Islington Council's parking paperwork. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
A section about the procedure for challenging a ticket is missing, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
potentially rendering the tickets unenforceable. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
It is legally wrong, because they've missed out a clause. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
It's not telling you that, if you've already made representations | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
AND they send you a Notice To Owner, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
you've still got to make further representations. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
A six-year-old, right, at a good grammar school | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
or a good state academy or whatever, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
with Mr Cameron's government, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:43 | |
could actually copy and paste the legislation | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
and get it right the first time. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
The Black Beret's campaign | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
has attracted the interest of the local press. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
'We've done a front page,' | 0:23:56 | 0:23:57 | |
we've done follow-ups, | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
mainly on the exploits of Mr Herbert. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
He knows a phenomenal amount about parking law. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
He seems to attend every hearing, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:05 | |
he represents a lot of disgruntled drivers. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
The council, it looks like, has made, or may have made, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
a massive mistake. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:12 | |
The result of that, if it's upheld, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
is that every parking ticket | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
issued by Islington Council since 2008 would be invalid, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
which we've estimated could be 90 million quid. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
That's £90 million that the council | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
would have to refund on tickets issued. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
8:30am, and in towns and cities across the UK, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:41 | |
the morning school run is in full swing. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
You're going to need to reverse, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
come back in and straighten up so they can get past, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
cos the traffic's building up all the way up there. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
During this daily mass migration, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
traffic increases by 20% | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
and swallows up every last parking space. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
Naz Ulazoye drives three miles to take her young children | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
to two different fee-paying schools in London's Hampstead. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
And she thinks the council are treating mothers like her unfairly. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
There is a big discrimination between state schools | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
and private schools in this area. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
I can only talk about our area. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
We have to pay extra for the parking. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
Councils should be really more understanding | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
and make it easier for us to park, you know. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
They think that we are the kind of mums loaded with money. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
If I am here for, you know, meeting friends | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
or having coffee with friends or having dinner, fine, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
but, for school purposes, why should I pay extra? | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
We are paying a lot for schools. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
CAR HORN BLARES | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
The area Naz drives into | 0:25:54 | 0:25:55 | |
has the highest concentration of private schools in the country. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
Parents like her are used to the near gridlock and parking chaos. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
It's a total nightmare. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
And you can drive around in a whole circuit | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
two or three times before you find a place. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
I've actually stopped owning a car because of the amount of damage that | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
was been done to my car, you know, the wing mirror being broken off... | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
The problem is that all the mothers drive cars like this. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
They drive big cars. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
You can see one, you can see another one, you know, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
they all drive big cars. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
They don't care about where they park - | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
they don't care about where to stop. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
To try and cut the number of cars, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
resident Martha Bashwitz has set up a dedicated school bus service. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
So, Jack, how was your day today? | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
Yeah, it was good. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
'For me, the ethos of the project is just to get as many people | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
'involved as possible.' | 0:27:02 | 0:27:03 | |
I think the mothers drive | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
because it's a cultural thing in this country. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
I don't think they are used to having a school bus service | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
that is well-organised and is a whole scheme of a school bus service. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
And they are used to drive. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
So they are trying to push us to this alternative way | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
of getting our kids, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
but I don't think you can stop driving, really. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
The bus are overcrowded and they're late, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
and, erm... | 0:27:31 | 0:27:32 | |
We have like six bags walking in the bus early in the morning. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:38 | |
I mean, how on Earth we are going to manage with that? | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
We are late, they have only four minutes. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
I'm on a double yellow line, but I have to put... | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
And let my children to get out, two of them only. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
Come on, boys. Have a good day. Love you. Bye. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
Over 1,000 Civil Enforcement Officers | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
were assaulted in the UK last year, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
and one hotspot for this is Cape Hill, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
just outside Birmingham, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:11 | |
one of Britain's most deprived boroughs. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
245 to 240, I'm just leaving base now, what's your location? Over. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
It's 6pm, and Civil Enforcement Officers | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
Chris Clark and his colleague, Ken, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
are heading in to the area for their last shift of the day. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
For safety, they always patrol here in pairs. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
They seem to think that they own the streets. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
I mean, you can walk round there sometimes | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
and they'll say, "What are you doing down Cape Hill? | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
"This is our area, you're not supposed to be here." | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
On the late shift up here, another officer, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
he was left unconscious in the middle of the road on Cape Hill. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
They'd punched him in the head with a set of car keys in their hand. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
Around the area we're going now, its getting shot, ain't it, Ken? | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
"Come back round here and we'll shoot you," | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
is the most common thing you'll hear up here. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
One street in the area | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
has devised its own system for avoiding parking enforcement. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
You can see the first one there's been part-painted over white, as well. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
They do one, we just get it cleaned off | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
and they spray another one. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:23 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -So, then, would a ticket be invalid if you issued one | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
and they could say...? | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
If it was the only time plate in the bay, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
then you wouldn't be able to issue it | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
cos the time plate's covered. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
But say they've painted one and there's two or three other | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
time plates within close proximity to it, then there's still other | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
opportunities for people to see that it's a restricted parking place. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
He's a troublemaker, he is, he gives us tickets. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
-We're sorting him out. -LAUGHING | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
I've got my own house, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:51 | |
I'm not allowed to park outside my own house and I have to pay for it? That's ridiculous. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
Just ridiculous. What do you reckon, Scottish? | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
Seriously, look at all that beer... Look at this beer belly coming out. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
-All that profits, that is. -LAUGHTER | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
You should know, you've had enough tickets, eh, gaffer? | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
And do they not own their cars then? | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
I'm not too sure what they do, actually. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
They probably just buy a car | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
with X amount of road tax | 0:30:18 | 0:30:23 | |
and MOT on it and don't register it and then just get rid of it. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
Good evening. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:28 | |
Can you move your vehicle on from there for me, please? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
Yeah, I was waiting for someone. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:32 | |
No, unfortunately, you're not allowed to wait there, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
-unfortunately, sir. -Oh. -Thank you very much. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
-Excuse me, excuse me... -OK, this is... | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
Unfortunately, you're parked on a loading restriction. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
Between 4:30 and 7 there's no stopping at all. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
-INTERVIEWER: You grew up in this area. -I did, yeah. I did. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
Does that make the job harder or...? | 0:30:54 | 0:30:55 | |
Um...it did at first, when people first realised | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
what I was doing round here, then, yeah, it did. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
But as time goes on, no, to be honest, it makes it easier, I think. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
It passes the time away. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
I walk round the street and people stop and chat. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
And everyone knows, I've booked so many people that I've known | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
and grown up with. I've booked a family member before. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
But, you know, it's a job, it's nothing personal, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
I'm booking the car, not the person. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
In Horsham, campaigners Mike and Matt | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
think that parking prices and the threat of getting a ticket | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
is starting to affect high street business. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
Mike, this is Matt. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:34 | |
We're doing just a bit of a survey, really, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
just to find out what independent shops, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
what their stance is on the car parking in Horsham? | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
So, if they're trying something on, say, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
and then their time's coming up, they'll have to rush back. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
What, and they've actually left clothes here and... | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
-Yeah, put it back on the rail and had to walk out. -Really? -Yeah. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
-Has that occurrence happened a lot? -Yeah, it happens a fair amount. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
I mean, every single independent store that we've spoken to | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
has experienced some form of issue. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
-Hiya. -Hello there, how are you doing? | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
We get a lot of people who are running out of time | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
whilst we're trying to serve them. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:08 | |
There is a tension, always, between parking prices | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
and the interests of retailers, | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
because retailers, obviously, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
would like to have no parking charges at all. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
What we've tried to do in Horsham | 0:32:19 | 0:32:20 | |
is to make sure that we have very competitive pricing. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
In response, Mike and Matt are expanding their | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
Random Acts of Kindness campaign by taking on three new recruits. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
To start things off, we'd like to sort of create | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
an army of people that go out there and do exactly what we're doing. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
We're going to give them a little bit of training. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
So it does, in effect, go viral. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
We don't really want to be looking for the CEOs, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
but if they happen to be there, they happen to be there. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
If they are, I just suggest that we kind of stay two steps ahead. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
What they'll probably do is end up leaving | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
because they know that we're going to end up doing their job for them. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
We see that the car's got a couple of kiddy seats in there, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
so rather than them getting a fine, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
we'll stick a ticket on that, as well. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
So let's just pay for their parking, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
just give them a little bit more time. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
Well done, Matt, nice one. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:12 | |
So it looks like these people have been back a couple of times | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
-today already by the looks of things. -Yeah. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
I just hate paying for parking fines. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
It's not really fair, is it? | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
It's just trying to do the right thing, really, yeah. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
Being kind and doing a good thing and raising awareness about | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
the shafting that the public get with regards to parking and money. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:41 | |
Yeah, money that you don't have, but you've spent in the town, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
and then you come back and find a hefty fine. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
It's not cool, it's not cool. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
How does that feel now? You're now saving somebody | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
-from getting a £50 fine. -It feels really good. -Yeah? | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
There we go, beautiful. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
Another 50 quid saved. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
Well done, Matt, really proud of you, mate. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
-Oh, it's good, man. -Well done, mate. Fantastic job, fantastic. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
Good job, Matt. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:07 | |
Inspired by their day preventing fines, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
the group practice a song they've penned on parking. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
# I was only coming in to pick up my kid | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
# And pay for the groceries... # | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
You know, people in France don't stand for this sort of thing, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
you know, people in Brazil don't stand for it, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
Greece, Turkey, Egypt doesn't stand for it. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
# It's just not fair | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
# It's just not right... # | 0:34:39 | 0:34:40 | |
I hope it is the start of a revolution, I do, | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
of a parking revolution, yeah. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
National Car Parks is the UK's largest privately-owned | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
car park operator, and has over 200,000 parking spaces. | 0:34:55 | 0:35:00 | |
In Central London, the demand for parking | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
means that space comes at a premium. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
All right, darling, | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
you might just have to go down by the silver van. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
There's just one space left down there, OK? | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
-Cheers, love. -Thank you. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:16 | |
Shirley Hughes manages Brewer Street NCP, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
one of the most expensive car parks in the UK. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
The costs at this car park, it's quite... | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
You know, it's not too bad. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
You know, the first hour is £8. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
How long are you parking for? 24 hours? | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
No idea. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
No, it'll be eight, at least. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:37 | |
Oh, well, that'll go in to the 24 price mark, so that's £60. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
-BOTH: -£60? | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
-Yeah. -She's going to love you. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
It's dearer than last time! | 0:35:46 | 0:35:47 | |
Oh, it's not that bad! | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
It's expensive. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:50 | |
I know, I know. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
Actually, ridiculously expensive. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
I know, but then is it coming out of your pockets? | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
Well, fortunately not. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
There you go. So I wouldn't worry too much about it then. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
Yeah, but if they didn't have to pay so much for parking, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
we might get more wages. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:06 | |
I know. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
All right, darling, see you later. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
The car park is safe, the car park is clean, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
it's well lit, it's bright. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:16 | |
And also my lovely face. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
You have to pay for this! | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
Oh, it's Scott! | 0:36:21 | 0:36:22 | |
Everybody's in new cars today. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
Olly's got a big one there. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
All right. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
This is Scott's space, he'll usually drive a 4x4. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
All these spaces here, they're all reserved, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
all the customers have paid extra. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
It's available to season ticket holders only, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
and I think it starts from about 15,000. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
It's just something about | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
owning your little bit, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
whether it's yours or not, | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
because that's where you park, that's yours. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
One of the things I also do, as well, is just check. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
Hello? Hello? | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
Hello? | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
Hello? | 0:37:19 | 0:37:20 | |
Hello? | 0:37:22 | 0:37:23 | |
Well, he's not dead, he's still... He's breathing. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
Hello? | 0:37:28 | 0:37:29 | |
Darling, you know you can't stay here. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
You have to go, sweetheart. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
Just come with me, darling. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
Let me show you out. Are you all right? | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
Eh? | 0:37:48 | 0:37:49 | |
-Yeah. -OK. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
CAR HORNS BLARE | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
Go on, pull in. Look right. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
If you know the quote from Napoleon where he said, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
"In war, it's the man, not the men," | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
and, unfortunately, perhaps I'm the man. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
Brian Ingram lives just a few doors from a school where parking | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
opposite the front gates has been causing mayhem, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
and he's taken it upon himself to marshal the motorists. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
I'm sorry, but you can't park on the single yellow. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
It's a safety issue. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:34 | |
If you park here, then someone will park in front, then it's even worse. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
Would you mind moving? | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
Hi, I'm sorry to trouble you, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:40 | |
but you can't park on the single yellow lines here. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
Until I got started on this, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
there were people parked across the corner. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
It's more bluff, if you like, just to sort of get them worried | 0:38:52 | 0:38:57 | |
and then they'll move on. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
It's a single yellow line. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
Yeah, I'm sorry to ask you to move on. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
You just have to drive round until you find a parking space. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
Yeah, I can think he was going a bit too fast here. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
Until there's a fatal accident, it's not an accident situation. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
That is unfortunately just the way of the world here in England. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
MEN CHANT | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
In the Midlands, West Bromwich Albion | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
are playing at home. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
Obviously, we've got a pretty high profile game on today. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
We're going to have two vehicles out deployed this afternoon. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
For CEO Chris Clark and his team, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
match days like this are one of their biggest challenges. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
As thousands of football fans flood into the area, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
roads around the stadium become a parking nightmare | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
for local residents. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
If we stay in, we're blocked in our house. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
If we go out, we can't get back in. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
And if there was an emergency, God forbid, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
you can't plan for that. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:15 | |
And it's not fair that they just have to park here | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
when there is pay parking and they don't use that, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
and it's not fair on us. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
There's half an empty car park over there, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
yet we still have supporters | 0:40:24 | 0:40:26 | |
parking up without a thought for the residents or the main roads, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
which brings to mind safety, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
children and people trying to live their lives. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
Today, Chris and his team are clamping down on the problem, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
which includes Blue Badge holders | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
who wrongly believe they're allowed to park near the stadium. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
Disabled Badge holders aren't allowed to park here | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
due to the good double kerb markings. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
I'm taking the details of the Disabled Badge | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
before I issue the ticket. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
£70. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
I've got a Disabled Badge, haven't I? | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
I think it's disgusting. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
Utterly disgusting. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
It's not acceptable to park on a pavement, anyway. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
I mean, at the end of the day, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
pavements are not meant for vehicles | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
to be parked on, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
because it can obstruct members of the public... | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
i.e. bringing pushchairs past, wheelchairs past, things like that. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:24 | |
They all get issued with a blue book when they get the Disability Badge | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
which explains exactly what all the contraventions are, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
exactly where they can park and where they can't, so, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
you know, if they're reading the book properly | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
then they should be aware of where they can and can't park. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
People are saying, "Oh, we get targets, we get commission", | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
and, you know, it couldn't be further from the truth. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
Everyone here is just on a salary, hourly wage. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
Even today, it's a Sunday, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:51 | |
everyone's getting paid normal time on a Sunday. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
Targets and that never existed in my eyes, never. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
I mean, these cars are here every single week. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
Why have they picked this particular day? | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
Every single week. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
In Worthing, bailiffs Alan and Paul, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
are also dealing with a disabled driver. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
You've said, "It's not my car, what are you going to do about it?", and drive off. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
He has two outstanding parking fines for his vehicle, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
which is owned by Motability Finance, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
a charity which leases cars to disabled motorists. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
They shouldn't be allowed to bully people like this. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
I will pay my fine, I will pay my fine, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
but I can only pay at £5 a week. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
You've offered £5. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:46 | |
That's it. That's all I can afford. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
OK. OK. Well, seeing as you're clearly a refusal to pay... | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
No, I'm not refusing to pay. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
What I will do is I will notify Motability Finance. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
Under the terms and conditions of Motability Finance, | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
you are to pay your parking fines. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
Well, it's a leased vehicle owned by Motability Finance, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
and therefore we, as bailiffs, can't seize those vehicles | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
and remove them, because they don't belong to the debtor. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
So, there are still quite a few that, you know, run up tickets. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:16 | |
And it may not be somebody who's genuinely disabled. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
It may be a carer, and we've got on-going problems with that. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
I will pay it. I don't have money. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
Come to my house, take what goods you want. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
I don't have money. I'm on benefits. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
But you can afford to run a fairly nice car though, can't you, sir? | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
It's £50 a week out of my benefits! | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
Because I haven't got legs. That's why. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
Ring our office and we'll... | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
It's a good job it's a charity, isn't it? Patron-ted by the Queen. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
It's a good job somebody helps us out. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
I worked all my life until I lost my legs. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
-Give our office a call... -Building labourer. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
Give our office a call and we can help you out, all right. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
-Or give me a call later... -Attitude's changed now, hasn't it? | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
No, the attitude's still the same. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
-Try not to bully people, mate. -I didn't bully you, it's a fact. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
What do you mean, "it's a fact"? I did not refuse to pay my fine. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
I've told you, I've told your mates. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
-Have a good day. -You do the same thing. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
Parking campaigner Albert Herbert has used a missing clause | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
in Islington Council's parking paperwork | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
to overturn a motorist's Penalty Charge. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
Today, the council are appealing that decision. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
INTERVIEWER: Do you think of yourself as a lawyer? | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
I don't think myself as a lawyer, I think myself as a loose canon, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:45 | |
a kind of Simon Templar trouble-shooter. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:49 | |
Not quite as handsome, and not quite as tall. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:53 | |
But I'm basically a bit of a council-baiter. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
If Albert wins, Islington Council have a lot to lose. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
They would become liable | 0:45:01 | 0:45:02 | |
for millions of pounds in refunded tickets. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
It's not about one parking ticket - it's about 850,000 parking tickets. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:11 | |
Here we go. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:15 | |
'If the adjudicator agrees with the council, | 0:45:15 | 0:45:17 | |
'I don't know what I'm going to do.' | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
I'll probably go and become religious or something, | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
or I'll take up drugs. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
After two hours, the hearing is over. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
Albert's self-taught parking knowledge has come up against | 0:45:31 | 0:45:35 | |
everything that Islington Council's legal team could throw at him. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
And one week later the result has come through. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
Lovely jubblerly. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:45:51 | 0:45:52 | |
Albert Herbert - 2, Islington - nil. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
Albert's victory is over one ticket, | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
but it could set a precedent which could force Islington | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
to refund every Penalty Notice issued since 2008. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
You know, we've got every right to go to the High Court | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
and demand that they pay back | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
all recipients of such defective documents and pay back the money. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:17 | |
Dah-dah-dah-dah. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:19 | |
Do you want to stand down there? | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
In Croydon, bailiff Alan Woods | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
and his team are taking part in another roadside police operation. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
OK, we're here today for the non-payment of a parking fine, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
and at the moment there's an outstanding debt. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
According to this driver, his car can't be seized as the fines | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
against it were incurred when it was registered to a previous owner. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
But the bailiffs beg to differ. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
-We've just done a DVLA... -Yeah. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
..and it's coming back that she is still... | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
She's still on the insurance and she... | 0:47:04 | 0:47:08 | |
She's not on the insurance. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:09 | |
The officer has just confirmed that she's... | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
-No, no, no, you're going to have to ask him again. -I will. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
She no longer owns this car. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
They're claiming change of ownership, yet when the police | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
do their checks, which is live in to the DLVA database, | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
it's coming back as the person named on our warrant. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
The insurance is coming back with him | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
and the person named on the warrant on the insurance. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
Yet they claim not to know her, not to know anything about it, | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
and have recently bought the vehicle. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
So we're here today to have the payment made of 487.84 | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
or we're going to remove the car, unless 487.84 is paid. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:44 | |
I'm going to speak to a solicitor. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:45 | |
No, that's fine, no, no, that's fine. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
I believe that this is a civil matter that the police should | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
-not be enforcing bailiffs. -They're not enforcing it. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
-They are. -No, they're not. -They're holding me up, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
they're stopping me from getting in that car and driving away, | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
-so they are enforcing it. -Oh, well, they're not. | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
At the other end of the road, another vehicle with parking fines | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
of over £1,400 has been pulled over by bailiff Steve. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
What's the total amount, please, Ben? | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
-RADIO: -'£1,402.92.' | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
The motorist, who's travelling with her elderly mother, | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
claims to know nothing about the tickets. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
These are not my tickets. You're pulling me over, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
putting me on the spot, asking me to pay £1,040.. £1,400. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
Unfortunately, it's not our problem. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
It's your husband's problem, isn't it? | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
Yeah, it's not my problem, either. You know, she had a fall. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
She's just had an operation, you know, so she can't walk much. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
I just took her to the doctors | 0:48:47 | 0:48:48 | |
and I'm coming home now, you know, and it's a shock. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
In Bristol, more than £1 million in revenue has been generated | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
by the city's bus lanes in the last three years, | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
much of it coming from driving violations on Gloucester Road. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
This is showing the time that I was seen in the bus lane | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
and four minutes before me, and several minutes afterwards, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:19 | |
all these other people also caught in the same lane. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
Bernard Rambey's car was photographed | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
crossing into the bus lane just before it ended. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
But Bernard says he did so in order to turn left at a junction, | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
and that crossing any later would have meant blocking a cycle lane. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
If somebody's deliberately driving in a bus lane | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
and shouldn't be doing that, yeah, I understand that. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
I wasn't doing that. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
I simply crossed the bus lane. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
That's the point where I crossed in to the bus lane, | 0:49:46 | 0:49:50 | |
and there is a sign below the larger sign saying "end". | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
So I've come in a little earlier, | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
but you can clearly see there's a cycle section. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
If I'd have crossed where I think they're saying | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
I should have crossed, | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
I think that's a little more dangerous | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
because you've got to cross a cycle lane to get into the lane | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
to turn left at the traffic lights. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
You have to draw a line, don't you? | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
I don't think this is in the spirit of the law. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
This is not why it was designed. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:18 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
Hello. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:23 | |
-PHONE RINGS -Hello. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
Having appealed the charge, | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
Mr Rambey's case is today being decided by telephone tribunal. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
Let me introduce myself. My name's Caroline Sheppard | 0:50:31 | 0:50:35 | |
and I'm the adjudicator who will deal with this case today. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:40 | |
Independent adjudicator Caroline Sheppard is hearing | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
arguments from Mr Rambey and Bristol Council representative Mike James. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:49 | |
But it seems Mr Rambey's preparations | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
haven't been as thorough as they might have been. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
Now, Mr Rambey, have you seen the council evidence in this case? | 0:50:56 | 0:51:01 | |
-Yes, I have. Yeah. -And have you seen the video? | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
No, I haven't looked at it. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
-I've got the photographs in front of me. -Right. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
But you didn't look at the video of your vehicle, you know, | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
and the manoeuvre it was making? | 0:51:16 | 0:51:18 | |
Oh, there is one in the envelope and, I'm sorry, but I didn't look at that. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
Oh, I see. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:23 | |
The video isn't the only thing that Mr Rambey hasn't seen. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:28 | |
Mr James, I'd like to include you in this, in the still photographs, | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
when looking at the second car back, is that Mr Rambey's car? | 0:51:32 | 0:51:37 | |
Yes, that's correct. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
No, no, it isn't. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
The first car is my car. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
Oh, right. Mr James, is that right? | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
What's the make of your car? | 0:51:49 | 0:51:51 | |
My car is a Volkswagen. You've got it down on your paperwork, | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
it's a Volkswagen, and the registration written there. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
The first car in the first picture | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
-that you've got on page three is a Citroen. -Yes. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
That shows Mr Rambey's car, which is the second car in that picture. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:10 | |
Fully in the bus lane, the one that's fully in the bus lane. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
-I didn't think the car behind me was my car. -Right. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
-The second car was my car, no. -Right. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:20 | |
I did query where it had got to between the two photographs. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
Right. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
Despite the set-back, Mr Rambey still argues that having to turn | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
left justified him driving into the bus lane. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
To settle the matter, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
the adjudicator wants to refer to maps of the junction. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
Mr James, if you would look at your map on page 20. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:44 | |
I can't see Zetland Road, I don't think. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
-Erm... -I'm trying to work out... | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
I've got a confession to make here, Caroline, | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
that I don't think this is actually the right map for this junction. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:59 | |
I've only just seen the paperwork myself, | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
so I've got to say that this seems to be | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
an error on the council's part in this particular case. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
Mr Rambey, your appeal will be allowed because, obviously, | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
there is some confusion in this, and no doubt that comments | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
about this junction will be, you know, will be looked at in future. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:20 | |
OK, good. Thank you. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
If you ever have the misfortune to receive | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
another of these through the post then do look at the video. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
-All right. -I will. -OK. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
But I think confusion all round here, | 0:53:34 | 0:53:36 | |
and so there's no penalty to be paid, all right? | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
-Thank you very much. -All right, thank you both very much. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
-Thank you. -Bye. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
Due to the council sending through the wrong maps, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
Mr Rambey wins the appeal. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
I made a mistake. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:53 | |
Two mistakes. One, I didn't look at the video. And two, I assumed - | 0:53:53 | 0:53:58 | |
and assume can make an ass out of you and me - | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
that that's my car, cos I can't see the registration. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
And therefore, there I am, three seconds later there I am. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
But my car is the one behind, | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
so I did think I was dead in the water there really. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
And if I'd have looked at the video, which I didn't, | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
I know I should have, it would have been clearer, I suppose. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
I would have seen that it was my car actually in the lane. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
So I'm a bit lucky, aren't I? | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
It's a bit of a blow because I felt that, you know, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
the case was quite clear. The person was in the bus lane. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
And we'll just make sure that we're a bit more | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
vigilant in future on what goes out. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:38 | |
The police should not be... You guys should not be... | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
You guys should not be enforcing | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
it on behalf of these bailiffs - it's not your job to do that. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
That's not your job. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
After 45 minutes protesting his innocent at the bailiff | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
operation in Croydon, there's good news for the driver of the Peugeot. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:57 | |
The initial information from the DVLA was incorrect. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:02 | |
He is the registered owner of the vehicle. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
It's not her. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
It's a no-go. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:08 | |
He's just checked it again and it's come back... Yeah. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
-Oh, well, we've got to let him go then, haven't we? -That's right. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
-Sorry. Excuse me. -Sorry. I'm sorry. OK. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
-Have a nice day. -Right, see you later. Take care. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
See you. Take care. Bye. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
The lady travelling with her elderly mother has been to the bank | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
and withdrawn £1,400. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
Do you know why I had this kind of money? | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
Two weeks back my son got married and I put all his gifts in there. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
-That's why I was crying my eyes out. -Oh. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
I mean, the kids, they haven't even spent it and I'm spending... | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
I wouldn't have had that kind of money. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
-£1,402.92. -92 pence, as well. -Yeah, £2.92. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:59 | |
-Check that, it's £1,000... -Thank you. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
That's £1,400 I've paid for parking tickets. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
-My husband... Thank you, my husband. -One, two, three.. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
Of the £1,400 handed over, 700 will be paid to the bailiffs. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:13 | |
£2.92. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
-You're a horrible, horrible lady. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
I know it's not your fault. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
That was a good result. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
They've had five, six letters before we actually get involved, | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
so if they chose to ignore them then that's their problem. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:34 | |
We're here to enforce. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:35 | |
In Horsham, Mike and Matt have decided to record | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
their parking song professionally in what they hope | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
will become the soundtrack to their parking revolution. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
# Driving into town | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
# Parking in a car park | 0:56:56 | 0:57:00 | |
# Doing a bit of shopping | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
# There ain't no stopping me... # | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
'I mean, let's face it, throughout history, you know, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
'whatever the movement, | 0:57:11 | 0:57:12 | |
'there's always been usually some sort of music involved in it.' | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
# Went to another store | 0:57:18 | 0:57:22 | |
# In which to spend more money | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
# But whilst browsing the selection I came over rather funny... # | 0:57:26 | 0:57:31 | |
CAR HORN TOOTS | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
People would like some form of free parking. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
I think they deserve it. They get, you know, car tax. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
They pay for their parking in the first place, anyway. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
They spend money in the towns, come back, find themselves with | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
a fine on the car - the minority - but it's just not right. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
# Cos I realised I had to go feed the machine | 0:57:55 | 0:58:01 | |
# Some more cash | 0:58:01 | 0:58:05 | |
# How much more do they want of my depleted stash? | 0:58:05 | 0:58:10 | |
# Quicker, quicker, running faster | 0:58:10 | 0:58:14 | |
# Trying to avert oncoming disaster | 0:58:14 | 0:58:18 | |
# All of a sudden, he is there before me | 0:58:18 | 0:58:24 | |
# Basking in his unwholesome glory | 0:58:24 | 0:58:29 | |
# Ticket is issued | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
# The deal is done | 0:58:32 | 0:58:33 | |
# Ticket is issued | 0:58:33 | 0:58:35 | |
# The deal is done. # | 0:58:35 | 0:58:37 |