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For 50 years, sex has defined the British sitcom, as much by its absence as its presence. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
People who have good sex lives aren't comedy writers. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
For 50 years, sitcom man has loved, lusted and usually lost out. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:17 | |
We could see the depiction of sex in the British sitcom as highly tragic throughout, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:22 | |
and yet we're happy to laugh about that. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
So, how has sitcom reflected Britain's changing sexual mores? | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
Nowadays, there seems to be very little limit | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
as to how far you can go. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
How has sitcom woman responded to the sexual revolution? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
She wanted more excitement in her life, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
which she didn't really get from her husband. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
She took what she wanted, when she wanted it. She just wants men. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
Have we finally conquered our inhibitions? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
Or will our attitude to sex always be laughable? | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
Cor! | 0:00:53 | 0:00:54 | |
This programme contains some strong language. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
The heroes of British sitcom come in all shapes and sizes, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
but we've had more loveable losers than Lotharios, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
more mummies' boys than ladies' men. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
I've learned a lot about sex from sitcoms. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
I've learned that it's wrong, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
I've learned that it's grubby | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
and that it's not going to happen to you. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
This is a journey into frustration. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
Censorship and scheduling have helped emasculate sitcom man, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
but the malaise runs deeper, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
to the heart of our comic sensibility | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
and to the birth of the genre. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
In Britain, when we finally cracked sitcom in '56 | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
with Hancock's Half Hour, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
what you're looking at is a comedy of desperation, really. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
We dealt with losers, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
we dealt with people whose lives were flawed. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
I think it was the same with their sex lives - their sex lives were flawed. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
So the comedy came out of them not getting any sex, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
not getting any action. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:52 | |
-Have you ever been married? -No. -Engaged? | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
-No. -Regular girlfriends? | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
-No. -Casual girlfriends? | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
No. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
-Do you like women? -Yes. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
The scene in The Ladies Man | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
where he's being asked for a description of himself | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
and he's reeling off all these terrible qualities. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
That sums up what Hancock was like | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
and that sums up the type of character that we've had in sitcoms | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
over the last few decades. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
Can you interest women conversationally? | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
No. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
Can you amuse them? | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
No. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
Captain Mainwaring, or Basil Fawlty, or David Brent, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
they're all flawed, imperfect human beings | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
and you wonder if they can form a relationship. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
-Do they laugh at you? -Yes! | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
-In which way? -In the worst possible way! | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
And the more things changed, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
the more things stayed the same. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
The Swinging Sixties were a time of liberation, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
experimentation and free love... | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
but not on Sitcom Street. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
It is fashionable to regard the '60s | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
as a period when, quote, "It all hung out", | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
which always sounds dreadfully uncomfortable to me! | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
But, actually, I think it takes the better part of the decade | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
to trickle down to people who are not living in metropolitan London, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
who don't have jobs of choice, who aren't uniquely beautiful. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
Just because a bloke in West London | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
is having sex with his hippy girlfriend and smoking dope | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
doesn't mean someone at TV Centre is going to slap this on our screens. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
Things move slowly - or they did then. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
Mostly, comedy deals with suburban life more than urban life. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
There was a show called Meet The Wife | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
with Thora Hird and Freddie Frinton. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
A northern couple, entirely benign. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Sex, I don't think, was even alluded to in any way, shape or form, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
let alone shown and/or done. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
Occasionally it's called "it", I seem to remember. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
-Here's your cocoa. -Oh, thanks, Freddie. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Or there was a show called All Gas And Gaiters... | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Four men in a bishopric, as it were. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
Sex, as far as I remember, is never alluded to, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
except as a kind of, "It's a temptation and I must avoid it". | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
In fact, a battle was raging for the very soul of television. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:16 | |
We saw a programme that started at 6.35 | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
and it was the dirtiest programme | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
that I have seen for a very long time. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
But, for now, sitcom sat on the sidelines. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
The more serious dramas, the Armchair Theatres, the Wednesday Plays - | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
sex is part and parcel of the subjects they tackled. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
But sitcom is always considered to be more family orientated, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
it's more about getting the people together to watch it. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
Most comedies played early evening for a family audience | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
and that was who you were appealing to. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
The late night satire shows | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
could afford to take more risks, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
but even here the "it" word dare not speak its name. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
I started with That Was The Week That Was | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
and I did a sketch in which Lance Percival was the driver | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
and Millicent Martin was the engine of the car | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
and everything was a sexual innuendo. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
Change gear. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
Horn. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
HORN HONKS | 0:05:11 | 0:05:12 | |
Oh, I like that! | 0:05:12 | 0:05:13 | |
Innuendo would be sitcom's shorthand for sex | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
for the next 20 years. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:20 | |
I'm not sure why we, as a nation, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
like innuendo so much. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
For me, there's a sort of familiarity with it. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
There's this sort of comfort blanket feeling to it | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
that reminds me of the Carry On films | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
and the comedies that I loved, growing up. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
Try another double bend! | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
Kinky... | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
People from other countries | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
see innuendo as something that the British do all the time, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
on television and in film, in a sitcom, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
but also just in everyday lives. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:47 | |
It's one of the ways in which we talk. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
-I'm not stopping. -What are you doing? | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
-Reversing. -Pervert! | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
But in 1965, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:55 | |
one writer did engage directly with the sexual revolution | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
and put sitcom on the front line. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
Till Death Us Do Part is perhaps the first adult sitcom. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
Johnny Speight's scripts looked at politics, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
perhaps immigration and, inevitably, sex. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
I think the people who complain about sex are the ones who aren't getting enough. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
The ones who are getting their share have no complaints, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
quite satisfied, well happy. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:19 | |
Till Death Us Do Part addressed the growing generation gap | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
in our attitudes to sex. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
Alf Garnett has this daughter who's young and hip and swinging, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
he has the randy Scouse git. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
From the writer's point of view, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
over there, young people are living a fantastic sexual life. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
We was decent brought up, we was, me and your mum. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
I mean I never... Well... | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
In an episode entitled Sex Before Marriage, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
the older Garnetts come out foursquare | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
against sex before marriage, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
thinking it should be something that should only be kept within the marriage vows. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
I mean, I never attempted to touch your mother... | 0:06:51 | 0:06:58 | |
until after we was married. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
WELL after. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
Alf Garnett, I don't think he gets his share of sex scenes at all. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
Actually, I would love to be able to do a show with him in bed | 0:07:10 | 0:07:16 | |
trying to have it away with the missus. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
That could be hysterical, I think, very funny. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
Look, you want to read something, sonny. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
You want to read something a bit edifying, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
-something a bit educative. -Educative? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
By making Alf a spokesman for Britain's moral majority, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
Speight subverted sitcom's conservatism. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
Mrs Whitehouse, innit? | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
Mrs Mary Whitehouse! | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
Say, a programme like Till Death Us Do Part... | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
Brilliantly funny, brilliantly written. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
But you see, he was the one that stood for moral values, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
but he was the one | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
people were supposed to feel a great dislike for. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
That woman is concerned | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
for the moral welfare of your country, isn't she? | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
The moral fibre that's being rotted away by your corrupt television. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
But the advances of the '60s could no longer be ignored, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
and one advance in particular... | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
The day is printed by the side of every pill, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
and providing she can remember what day it is, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
a woman can be sure whether or not she has taken today's pill. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
I think the impact of the pill was | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
that for the first time in your life as a woman, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
if you were taking it regularly and weren't one of the minority | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
who had a terrible time with it, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
you actually had unalloyed pleasure without guilt. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
And I happen to think that was very important. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
The pill would change the dynamic of sitcom relationships forever. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:47 | |
British sitcoms before the advent of the pill, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
are entirely male-centric. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
The male character is the lead key, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
women are right at the edge. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:55 | |
They're people who tell him what to do, they're objects of lust, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
but we see it entirely from his point of view. It's always him. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
You can see things changing towards the end of the '60s and early '70s. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
It's Awfully Bad For Your Eyes, Darling | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
is a show which puts women together in a flat-share. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
These women seem more adult with their attitudes towards sex. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
It is the permissive age and this is one of the first shows to exploit that freedom. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
The librarian wishes to remind you that the following books are now overdue. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
Portnoy's Complaint, Lady Chatterley's Lover, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
The Sensuous Woman and The Kinsey Report. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
I remember that last one. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
It said that married couples do it 2.8 times a week. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
I wonder what they do on the 0.8 occasion? | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
'It's Awfully Bad For Your Eyes, Darling was co-written by Jilly Cooper. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
'Joanna Lumley is one of the stars and she's exploited' | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
by wearing very few clothes throughout the entire surviving episode, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
which I think is something they did on purpose. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
How do you do? | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
How do you do? | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
Would you like to see something else? | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
-Something else? -Well, I could show you if you liked. -Yes... | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
'Perhaps they just wanted to show these women were less self-conscious' | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
and perhaps were at home with the attractiveness of their body. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
As the pill and sexual liberation free women up | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
to take control of making stuff and doing stuff, women are going, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
"We'll make the TV programmes and this is what's funny." | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
What have you got there? | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
-Sex in the Sev... -Sssh! | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
Sex In The '70s. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
Trust you! | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
Liver Birds was a bit risque, they thought. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
Sometimes I tried to be risque. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
Go on, phone him. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
After all, you've got nothing to lose. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
You cheeky cow! | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
'There were sexual references' | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
and we did have lots of boyfriends, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
but you couldn't really go into it in detail | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
or we'd be a couple of slags, wouldn't we, you know? | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
I did enjoy the steak. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
I did enjoy the wine... | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
They were naughty girls who lead men on | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
and then, you know... don't give them satisfaction. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:18 | |
So, what's for afters? | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
I mean, no! No, Aubrey, we hardly know each other! | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
It did have an innocence about it, which I wouldn't write now | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
because it doesn't exist, either in me or the world. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
But there was an innocence in the world, then. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
But by the early '70s, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
innocence was under attack | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
and the pace of change bewildering. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
Have we become a more civilized society with less hypocrisy, intolerance and repressiveness? | 0:11:41 | 0:11:47 | |
Or have we become less civilized, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
with moral standards undermined and young people confused? | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
-Beryl, we live in a permissive society. -Not on this street, we don't! | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
-Everybody's at it! -Not with me, they're not. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
Sex, detached from its purpose, which is procreation, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
and its condition, which is love, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
is a very horrible thing. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:09 | |
-All girls are supposed to be crying out for it! -Not this one, Geoffrey. I'm the silent majority. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
I don't believe that sex should be restricted entirely to procreation. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:21 | |
Sex is one of the few pleasures... | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
that practically everyone can indulge in. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
If Britain was confused, so too were its sitcoms. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
The Permissive Society has its tentacles into comedy | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
so that characters used the Swinging Sixties | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
or the permissive society as a sort of excuse | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
in trying to court a girl, or the other way round. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
As a sort of, "Oh, come on. We're allowed to do this stuff now." | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
It's only manners, Beryl. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:49 | |
Total strangers do it now instead of shaking hands! | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
The Permissive Society was now a hot topic | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
in the most traditional sitcoms. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
What are you talking about? | 0:12:58 | 0:12:59 | |
You don't think I'm looking forward to this orgy tonight, do you? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
You have talked about nothing else for the past fortnight. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
I've been trying to convince myself. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
Oh, Terry! | 0:13:10 | 0:13:11 | |
You arranged it - you and Bernie. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
Enid and I would rather that you took us to the pictures. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
You have been stocking up the drinks cupboard all week, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
you have filled the house with cheese straws! | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
But our response to the sexual revolution | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
got tangled up in sitcom's other obsession - social class. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
We've got company. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:33 | |
Have we? Who? | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
Joyce and Edna, they're coming with us. Sort of training. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
They're thinking of issuing them with new equipment. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
I don't see why. Their old equipment looks good enough to me! | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
While the permissive society was agonized over in the suburbs, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
over on ITV, blokes were just getting on with "it". | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
For some reason ITV was much more interested in shagging and nooky, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
whereas the BBC wasn't. The BBC didn't like to talk about it. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
But ITV, probably because it had a more working-class demographic, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
found it funnier. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:04 | |
The inside of the bus is my pitch, you've got the cab! | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
What could I do inside a cab? | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
Well, use your imagination! | 0:14:10 | 0:14:15 | |
Phwoar! | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
1970s shows like On The Buses, like The Dustmen, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
all these shows were unashamedly | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
about men who liked drinking and having it off. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
But the permissive society was middle class. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
It was Alan Bennett and Malcolm Bradbury writing about lecturers committing adultery | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
and smoking pipes at the same time. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
You could only have sex with a woman if you'd read the Guardian, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
whereas on ITV you could only have sex with a woman if you'd eaten some chips. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
But when sex finally arrived in the suburbs... | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
Bye, darling. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
..it caused a scandal. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
In most sitcoms the guy is a loser. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
If he's trying to get a woman he probably doesn't succeed, because that's where the comedy is. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:56 | |
But then when you take a Lothario head-on, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
when you take someone who's got a recognizable, successful thing - | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
as they did with Leslie Phillips in Casanova '73 - | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
this was actually a new departure. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
He had a slight eye for the girls, if you know what I mean. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
I wouldn't have thought he was a libertine, exactly. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
He was a bit naughty... | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
But no naughtier than most men I know! | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
Here you've got someone who's a suave talker, who cheats on his wife all the time, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
who tries to have affairs with every woman going. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
It often gets him into bigger trouble, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:35 | |
but what it was showing was someone that was quite comfortable with sex. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
We'll see what happens at the interview. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
How about tonight, six o'clock? | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
Is six o'clock all right for you? | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
Well, no, not at the office. No, no. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
Do you happen to know The Ding-a-Ling Club? | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
It was as much the fault of the ladies he picked up as his, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:58 | |
because they picked him up as well, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
but they didn't worry about that side. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
I've always heard about you. All the women you've had - | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
I used to lean over the banisters and hear them talk. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
The biggest lecher in Esher. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
Am I really? | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Now it would probably be the wife who's having the affairs | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
and the husband trying to sort it out. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
Please. I'll be eternally grateful to you. Please! | 0:16:20 | 0:16:26 | |
Well, if I can help somebody as I pass along... | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
'Casanova '73 broke the first commandment of sitcom - | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
'thou shall not shag.' | 0:16:33 | 0:16:34 | |
Here beginneth the first lesson. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
It lost its prime-time slot after just three episodes. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
There was a particular woman who used to shout and scream. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
Mary Whitehouse, that was it. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
She used to scream if anything was remotely naughty. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
I think shows like Casanova '73 become controversial | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
simply because people aren't used to that openness about sex. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
Television's taken a long time to get there. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
It was just the wrong time, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
when they had rules that they no longer have now. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
Now, please, look, Tessa... | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
Ooh, I've got the cramp. Ooh! | 0:17:11 | 0:17:12 | |
'I suppose we've all grown up, or something, I don't know.' | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
But nowadays, there seems to be very little limit | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
as to how far you can go. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
But for now, sitcom had learnt its lesson, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
retreating into the world of the double entendre, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
where nothing was quite what it seemed. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
If you liked innuendo, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
the '70s sitcom would give you one. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
Let me proffer you a little dinky-donks. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
-Oh, no... -Dinky-dinky doo-dah! Come along. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
Oh, all right then, if it will give you pleasure. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
Yeah, that's the general idea. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
Writing for Frankie Howerd, you sort of had to write it the way that he wanted it | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
and I could only do it out loud, funnily enough, which could cause great embarrassments to my family. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
So I once went out and was doing it on the common outside my house | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
where three policemen came up to me and thought I was a lunatic. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
"Ode to Ambrosia. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
"I love to kiss her golden hair | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
"She sets me writing ditties..." | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Get ready, get ready! | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
He had a very, very unique sense of humour | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
that was, at its heart, suggestive. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
"But most of all I love to roam | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
"Around her ample... | 0:18:28 | 0:18:33 | |
"country estate." | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
Up Pompeii was very formative for me, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
cos it was just very freewheeling | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
and although it was, I gather, tightly scripted | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
and incredibly controlled, in fact, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
it looked like a bit of a cabaret, in which cleavaged women bounced around | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
and then bounced off again. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
Actually, it's become a matter of some urgency. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
Has it? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
Don't worry, dear, I shan't keep you long. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
I watched it again recently and it is a beautifully controlled piece of writing. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
But sex is very much at the heart of it. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
And even though - or perhaps because - | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
Frankie Howerd, as we know now, was gay, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
and the last person to be leching after these toga-clad women. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:15 | |
Frankie Howerd's whole act was sort of based on a fictional sexuality. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:21 | |
What? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
He was almost the walking embodiment of the double entendre | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
and he just played it for all it was worth. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
Oh, bottoms up! | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
Ooh, definitely, as soon as I get back! | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
Sex was doomed to repeat itself, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
first as farce, then as tragedy. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
'70s sitcom was one long winter of discontent | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
for men and women, inside the canon and out. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
In George and Mildred, they flip it. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
In a way, the jokes are the same, but the clever thing they do | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
is it's Mildred who has the desires. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
She is a woman who wants to live | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
a full sexual life, and her husband is | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
terrified of sexuality, terrified of HER sexuality in particular. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
Yootha Joyce just wasn't the most beautiful woman in the world, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
but she was very attractive and very striking and very strong. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
She was always a very strong woman. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
You always felt like she was in control. You would have the very frequent bedroom scenes where | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
they'd be switching the lights off to go to sleep | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
and Mildred's quite horny and George just wants to go to sleep. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
Thanks to the sexual revolution, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
we women were now free to be just as frustrated as the men. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
-Hello, George... -Oh, you're still awake? | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
-I'm afraid so, yes. -Oh, Gawd. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
I don't know whether she struck a chord with middle-aged women | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
up and down the country, but her sort of iconic sexual frustration | 0:20:44 | 0:20:50 | |
was very sort of touching, but it was quite relentless | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
and quite sort of broad. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:54 | |
They won't have a very comfortable night in this single bed. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
-Oh, they're not going to sleep here, George. No, they're sleeping in our bedroom. -What for? | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
-Well, because I'm not having her sneering at this one. -Well, where are we supposed to... | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
Oh, no, no, no! | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
Yes, George. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
No. I mean, we'll be squashed up against each other. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:16 | |
Yes, George. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
The thought that they had to share a bed - and I think, as he says in | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
the scene, "But we might touch each other, we might accidentally touch" | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
the awkwardness just sort of sends shivers down my spine. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
But it's a brilliantly done scene, and the dynamic with their relationship is quite subversive. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:36 | |
It IS legal, George. I mean, we are married. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
Yeah, I know, but it's your nylon nightie, see. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
-It gives me electric shocks. -I'll take it off. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
No! | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
You can imagine a scene like that, if it was placed in a serious drama, being very tragic and being a very | 0:21:47 | 0:21:53 | |
kind of serious revelation of a relationship which is in decline. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
I tell you what, the caravan. Yeah, I'll sleep in the caravan. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
-I'll sneak out there after they've gone to bed. -Oh, George! | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
And this is one of the interesting things that sitcom can do, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
that it'll point out things which, really, actually are very tragic. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
But because those ideas are told in terms of comedy, for some reason | 0:22:11 | 0:22:17 | |
that's seen as more comfortable to audiences, and we don't necessarily see the tragedy that runs through it. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:23 | |
But we could see the history of the depiction of sex in the British sitcom | 0:22:23 | 0:22:28 | |
as one which is highly tragic throughout. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
And yet we've been quite happy to laugh about that for the past fifty years. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
Do you mind if I just check your paintwork while I'm here? | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
-I thought it might need another coat. -It's had five already, Mr Rigsby. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
I know, Miss Jones, but it's groaning for it. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
Rising Damp's a lovely programme. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
I mean, really, you can see that it was a play. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
But it's got this fantastic, cramped little world, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
which is straight out of Harold Pinter, of bedsitting rooms | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
and raggedy cardigans and unfulfilled desires. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
At least they don't have to draw diagrams for us, Rigsby. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
No-one has to tell us where the erogenous zones are. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
-Huh. The what? -The erogenous zones, Rigsby. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
-Oh. -He doesn't know where they are! | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
Well, of course I do. Well, they're near the equator, aren't they? | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
Rigsby wanted sex, really. He thought Miss Jones would give it to him. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
And she wanted it, but she didn't want it from him, she wanted it from Phillip. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
Phillip! | 0:23:29 | 0:23:30 | |
And he didn't want to give it to her. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
Alan wanted it from everyone. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
So, you know, there you go, that's what was swilling around underneath it all. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:40 | |
You take the ear. That's an erogenous zone. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
You blow in Miss Jones's ear, and you'll be staggered at the results. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
Now, you watch your tongue. This is a respectable house. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
I mean, Rigsby is really up there with the Mainwarings and the Basil Fawltys. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
And, I have to say, you know, the way Leonard Rossiter plays it is absolutely brilliant. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
Where do I go wrong, Mr Rigsby? | 0:23:58 | 0:23:59 | |
Perhaps I should be more permissive. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
-No. -No, no, no. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
No, no, you're an example to us all, Miss Jones, someone to look up to. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:10 | |
It was always radically unlikely that he was going to get off with Miss Jones. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
You see, Miss Jones, there's no, er... | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
And he does it in such a terrible way, such an awkward way. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
-In fact, the more sophisticated he tries to be, the more cack-handed he is. -Is there a draft in here? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:25 | |
I don't think so, Miss Jones. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
But that was the joy of it. He was just such a failed little man but also kind of a very British hero. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:34 | |
-Well, I'll be saying good night, then, Miss Jones. -Good night, Mr Rigsby. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
Rossiter would soon move out to the suburbs and to the BBC, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:53 | |
but sex would remain just a fantasy. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
Oh, the thing about Reggie Perrin and sex is that because David Nobbs had written that show about a man | 0:24:56 | 0:25:01 | |
having a midlife crisis, which really chimed with people, and also because | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
the 1970s were Britain's midlife crisis, sex had to come into it. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
Writing the book, which came before the series, I really was taken by the character of Joan. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
And I thought everybody has their relationship with the secretary, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
and Reggie being a sort of archetypal boss having a crisis, in a way, must go through that. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:24 | |
What's quite nice is that Leonard Rossiter wasn't having sex with Sally Thomsett, he was having sex, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
or trying to have sex, with basically Audrey Roberts from Coronation Street. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
I said I'm ready. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
Ready for what? | 0:25:38 | 0:25:39 | |
My first day, it was only Leonard and myself, on that day, that were called. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
To the chairman... Joan? | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
-Yes, Mr Perrin? -You have lovely breasts. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
Ooh! | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
And we journeyed to this field a bit out of London, and the location, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:56 | |
then it was all set up, and the next thing you know you're running towards each other and in huge clinches, | 0:25:56 | 0:26:02 | |
and he was on top of me and I was on top of him! | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
And that was my first meeting with Leonard. And lovely it was, too. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:10 | |
And I thought, "I'll take it a stage further. I'll actually get him to invite her home." | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
What is this crisis all about, Mr Perrin? | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
There is no crisis, Joan. I'm sorry. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
I'm sorry. Forget it. I'm sorry. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
I'm awfully sorry. No, I'm terribly sorry. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
I shouldn't have... | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
I remember leading Reggie upstairs, and he came rather like a lamb to the slaughter, if I remember the scene. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:33 | |
His little shoulders went all hunched, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
and it was like dragging a naughty schoolboy upstairs. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:42 | |
Rossiter lusts. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
He lusts in Perrin, he lusts in... | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
Well, all his characters are lustful and yet at the same time convinced | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
that when things go wrong, they will desperately go wrong. So they have to disguise, they have to hide things. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
He has to turn the Queen's portrait away, because he disapproves of what he's doing. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
He dislikes his own lusts and his own desires. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
I think he gets very frightened by what he's done. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
I can't go through with this. Yes, you can. No, I can't. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
Yes, you can! No, I'm sorry, I can't. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
And the reality of it is not like the fantasy. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
I think it's a fantasy that should have remained a fantasy to him as well as to us. I mean, we see those | 0:27:14 | 0:27:21 | |
famous fantasies when he's having sex on the desk, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
but I think that's how he likes it, really. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
And suddenly he realises, is this going to work in real life? | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
He's terribly relieved to have an excuse. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
-DOORBELL RINGS -Oh. Oh, hell. Oh, damn. What a shame. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
Oh, just our luck, eh? | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
Oh, damn, damn, damn. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
You don't have to answer it. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
Er, no, no, but I better had. It might be somebody. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
Reggie Perrin isn't that much about sex. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
What's funny is the idea that this middle-aged, buttoned-up man | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
suddenly is overwhelmed by lust, and his lust is about as imaginary | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
as his hippopotamus-incarnated mother-in-law. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
It's all in his head. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
-These are the Seventies, aren't they, Percy? -Yes. -Yes, exactly. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
But there was one practice that was guaranteed to raise a laugh. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
Taboos are breaking down, certain practices once considered horrifying | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
are now de rigueur in certain circles, aren't they? | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
I had a moment in the first Reggie, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
when Reggie is trying to destroy himself by being absurd, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
when he pretends to be madly in love with one of his shop managers, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
who returns the love, to Reggie's absolute horror. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
I'm free any night next week. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
Oh, my God! Oh, next week? No, next week's out of the question. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
I think now that people would be just slightly worried that I was mocking homosexuality. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
But if television got laughs from homosexuality, it was also uniquely placed to combat the prejudice. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:46 | |
Agony, the LWT show, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
is a show that perhaps has been underwritten in the history of the sitcom, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
but if you look at sex in particular, it's an important, pivotal show. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
-Hello, Gary... -Maureen Lipman is the star, an agony aunt | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
who talks candidly about sexual problems | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
but also it has this homosexual couple in it, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
who aren't used for comedic value, who aren't there just to be camp and a laugh. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
Let's begin at the beginning with Agony. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
We needed somebody who was sweet and kind and normal. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
It became the two gay boys. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
How long has it been for you two? | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
It's three years today since you introduced us. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
No! And are you still happily unmarried? | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
Made for each other. The only reason we row is because we enjoy kissing and making up. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
The second thing that was interesting was, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
the television company for which we worked had an extremely powerful | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
homosexual group in its management. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
-Jane, if there's anything you want. -Anything at all. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
'We didn't overdo it, I don't think.' | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
But we did try to suggest you could only be frightened | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
of something you couldn't understand and these people | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
were infinitely understandable, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:51 | |
therefore you couldn't be frightened of them and you couldn't hate them. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
As we entered a new decade, sex was back stalking the suburbs. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
Carla Lane's Butterflies told the story of a woman | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
on the edge of an affair, and not just any woman! | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
I'd been doing a lot of comedy and decided I'd like more serious work, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:09 | |
but I wasn't getting offered | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
serious work, because I'd done 25 series of silly mums. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:18 | |
The thing about Rea was she was a dreamer and she wanted | 0:30:18 | 0:30:24 | |
more excitement in her life and she wanted a bit of romance, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
which she didn't get from her husband. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
Right, that's lunch finished. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
I don't see how the word "finished" comes into it. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
You whipped mine away as I was approaching my third chip. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
Someone like Wendy Craig was this figure | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
who'd been in all these conventional sitcoms in the past, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
the very traditional suburban domestic sitcoms. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
And the idea she's going to play a woman having an illicit affair | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
and is not judged within the script, is really revolutionary. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
I'm Leonard, by the way, Leonard Dunne. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
I'm Rea Parkinson. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
-Mrs Rea Parkinson. -How do you do? | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
I took the idea to the BBC | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
and the Head of Comedy went pale and anxious, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
practically collapsed, when I said I want to write about a woman | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
who has a good marriage, but she falls in love. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
"Oh, we can't do that. Oh no, darling, that's for drama." | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
They first put it out on BBC Two. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
Then when they realised people were not shocked | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
and writing to the papers | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
from Godalming, or somewhere, they said, "OK, let's put it on BBC One" | 0:31:22 | 0:31:28 | |
and it was away. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
Rea, these are the 1980s! | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
Are they? Oh. Is there something special about that? | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
It's the age of freedom. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
The age of not being scared of doing what you want to do. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
'You can see that Rea is a character who's responding to the sexual revolution.' | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
You're going too fast. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
She feels like she's missing out on something, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
but she's not fully sure it's actually sex. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
It's just another room. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
'It's quite clear she still loves her husband, | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
'and her husband loves her.' | 0:31:59 | 0:32:00 | |
And there's lots of episodes where | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
they're attempting to work out how to communicate. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
What happened? | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
The world happened. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
So the problem she's got isn't necessarily with Ben, her husband, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
or her children, it's that institution of marriage | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
and domesticity that destroys any kind of sexual relationship that most people have. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
It's marriage that's the problem, not sex! | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
Much more special. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
Rea wrestled with a dilemma, should she or shouldn't she? | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
You want to, don't you? | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
Yes, I want to! | 0:32:33 | 0:32:38 | |
The first sentence I wrote, I knew they must never go to bed, not ever. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:44 | |
What a shame, how cruel! | 0:32:44 | 0:32:45 | |
We never got to bed, did we? | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
No. No, we didn't. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:57 | |
But by now the cosy world of sitcom was under attack. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
Old school innuendo was giving way to something franker, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
and to a new generation, more honest. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
There's an air of complacency about some forms of comedy, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:13 | |
just like there was in music. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
So the punk revolution came along and changed music, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
and the alternative comedy revolution came along, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
both sides of the Atlantic, and changed the nature of comedy. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:21 | |
I'm not a virgin! I am not a virgin! | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
But by the time it reached television, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
the attitudes of alternative comedy seemed strangely familiar. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
All right, if I'm a virgin, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
how come I know what a girl's bottom looks like? | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
From looking in the mirror. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
The Young Ones employed cartoon violence and cartoon action | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
that you'd never find in The Good Life. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
It kicked the form around, and it was probably a darn sight ruder. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
Missed me, virgin! | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
But it wasn't, I don't think particularly groundbreaking | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
in its treatment of sex. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
'The Rik Mayall character is about, again, the recurring theme of male sexual frustration.' | 0:34:04 | 0:34:10 | |
He can never get laid. He doesn't quite understand sex. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
'There's a particular episode where Jennifer Saunders | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
'appears as this character called Helen Back, who's snuck into Rik Mayall's bed.' | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
And he believes he may have had sex with her, but may not, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
and he's trying to trade on this in a way which is almost old fashioned. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
At one stage, she even took her bra off! | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
The need for sex is one of the things that propels them, but the idea that characters | 0:34:30 | 0:34:36 | |
who are so, let's be kind and just say flawed, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
are ever going to find a happy relationship, | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
particularly a sexual relationship with a woman, | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
we know that's never going to happen. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
That's part of what the comedy is. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:50 | |
With everyone at it, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
comedy writers had to devise situations where they weren't. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
It'd been done brilliantly in the '70s, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
could it still be done in the '90s? | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
Birds of a Feather, you can almost see as the flip side of Porridge. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:07 | |
What happens in Porridge is the men are in prison | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
and sex is always on their minds. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
Birds of a Feather, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:15 | |
we find out what was going on while they were in prison. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
I just remember how bad I felt when Darryl went away. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
Yeah, but it's only natural to feel lousy when your old man gets locked up. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
Quite often the comedy is between the respectable upright pair | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
who are waiting for their men | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
and this woman who wants and is going to take. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
What made Birds of a Feather new | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
was the man-mad and married next door neighbour. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
I can't think of another character, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
either in a drama or a sitcom, that was quite so blatantly in your face. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:49 | |
When she sang Like a Virgin she was in seventh heaven. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:56 | |
That was to her, absolutely glorious. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
Dorien's attitude towards sex was she took what she wanted | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
when she wanted, and that was fine. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
She did it on her terms. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
She wasn't afraid to put herself out in the marketplace. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
She just wants men. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:13 | |
Dorien is a surprising character | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
because even though sometimes her sexual relationships go wrong, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
actually most of the time she's highly successful, she gets the men she wants, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
keeps them for as long as she wants and gets rid of them when she wants. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
If you saw a man doing that you wouldn't think twice about it, but when you see a woman doing it, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
suddenly she's this new word, she's a "cougar." | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
I need an honest opinion from you. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
All right, you're an old trollop. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
Well, that's how she lived her life. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
I think she was probably the original cougar. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
She's a rare character because she's successful in her pursuit of sex, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
she's not in the first flush of youth, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
she isn't an oil painting, but she makes it work for her. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
'I think Dorien was incredibly liberating, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
'both for herself and for other people.' | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
I had letter upon letter saying, | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
"I am just like you, everyone calls me Dorien." | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
Or, "Oh, my goodness I wish I had had the bottle | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
"to live my life as Dorien has lived hers." | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
Mmm! Is that a gun in your pocket, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
or are you just pleased to see me? | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
It's a gun, actually. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
But even in the '90s, sitcom could only go so far. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
To start with, hardly anything could actually be shown. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
'I think there was one scene with Chris Ellison where Dorien' | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
was in bed with somebody and I think that's as far as you ever got. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:30 | |
And could a promiscuous married woman | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
ever be a happy and fulfilled sitcom character? | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
There was a vulnerability to her and that's what made Dorien real. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:42 | |
It wasn't just about getting the laugh, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
you saw the hurt behind that. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
Don't you wish you'd ever had kids? | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
Sometimes, when I need an excuse to see Bambi again. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
There was one moment when Sharon said, "Did you ever want children, Dorien?" | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
and she said, "There comes a time in everyone's life when you have to choose children or beige carpets." | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
I opted for carpets. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:03 | |
So you don't regret it, then? | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
Of course not. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:08 | |
The '90s were full of women behaving badly, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
as in the fashion PR satire, Absolutely Fabulous. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
It was a show that was quite frank about sex. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
It usually called a spade a spade, but preferred it if the spade | 0:38:26 | 0:38:31 | |
had been designed by Christian La Croix. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
This is Jeff, he's our dancer and this is Hilton, drama student, | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
top of the line, cream of the crop. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
Fantastic. Hi, Hilton. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
'There's an episode called Sex | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
'where it feels a good idea to give a sex party.' | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
You've scored there already. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:48 | |
And they invite two gigolos round, one of whom is played by, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
though he wasn't at the time, one of the future stars of The Wire. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
Has anyone ever told you, you look a bit like Sean Connery? | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
And I seem to remember quite a funny moment, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
and this may be of mild historical interest, the first time, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
I don't know what they're called, an erection stabiliser or something. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
It was a spray that keeps you hard | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
and Edi thinks it's a breath freshener. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
His tongue becomes essentially stiff for quite a long time, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:25 | |
which is useful and not useful! | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
For all its outrageous behaviour, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
AbFab was a knowing '90s take on the sexual idealism of an earlier age. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:39 | |
Absolutely Fabulous is a sitcom about the consequences of the 1960s. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
It's the idea of what happened to the swinging '60s boomers in the 1990s. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:49 | |
We see Edina has been a sexual character. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
She's lived, she's had ex-husbands, she's got a kid, she's been wild, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
but now, in a way, society's moved on and she slightly can't quite get it, | 0:39:54 | 0:40:00 | |
why there's this new conservatism, why there's this new morality, as portrayed by Saffi, her daughter. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
It's disgusting, that is so degrading to women! | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
What do you mean? She's got the whip. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:09 | |
'It is a programme you could argue is highly conservative, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
'because what it does is say,' | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
"Look at the ridiculous consequences of the sexual revolution." | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
And so in that way it's quite a reactionary programme in which | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
women who've come from the sexual revolution | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
are actually punished and seen to be ridiculous. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
# We are sailing... # | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
But for its sexual politics, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
one comedy famously captured the mood of the '90s like no other. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
# Home again, across the sea... # | 0:40:37 | 0:40:44 | |
There's a thing with sitcoms | 0:40:44 | 0:40:45 | |
that sometimes they come along exactly as people are thinking about | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
the thing the sitcom's about. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:49 | |
# We are sailing... # | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
I have to use the word zeitgeist, I'm afraid. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
It taps into the zeitgeist. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:55 | |
I think if I'd sat there at my desk in the early '90s and thought, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
"What is really going to sum up the decade?" | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
I would probably have gone in a different direction. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
The 1990s was a time when we were almost self-consciously grown up | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
and it was inevitable that in comedic terms | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
we would have to have a reaction against that | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
and the women had been, so it was the men's turn, | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
and the men all pretended to be lads. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
Dorothy, I've got my flap open and I'm begging you to let me enter. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:29 | |
It certainly put its finger on | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
something of the way men were behaving and it contributed to it. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
The characters in it became icons of that lad culture and they in turn | 0:41:34 | 0:41:39 | |
fed into it and it affected the way people behaved. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
Honey, we're home. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
It's about men trying to cope with that early '90s post-feminist women | 0:41:46 | 0:41:53 | |
who are in charge of their careers | 0:41:53 | 0:41:54 | |
and frankly don't particularly need the men in their lives. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
As the series progresses that becomes more and more farcical, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
so you get more and more laddish, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
boobs, birds, beer, that sort of thing. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
If women could only have either buttocks or breasts, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
what would you sacrifice? | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
I'd be very sad to lose my buttocks. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
-I know you would, mate. -Can I have one of each? | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
We were given pretty much a free hand actually by the BBC to be as rude as we wanted to be. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
# I'm a wanker, I'm a wanker... # | 0:42:31 | 0:42:37 | |
But one infamous episode on Christmas Day attracted | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
more complaints than any other sitcom of the age. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
It was an episode in which Dorothy wanted to have children | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 | |
and she'd given up on finding other men, | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
so she asks Gary if he would... | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
Fertilise me, Gary. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
Fertilise me like you've never fertilised me before. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
Of course when it came down to it, he didn't like the pressure, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
so he ended up trying to... I can't remember it was such a long time ago. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
It was an attempt by Gary to boost his sex drive, I think, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
and he used pornography. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
'Lots of sticky tissues was the nub of the problem,' | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
particularly sticky tissues stuck to Dorothy's face. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
Understandably people thought, "I don't know if I want to see that when I'm surrounded by my loved ones" | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
but you know what, I don't care. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
I think it happens and therefore we should show it. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
It was interesting because the response that came from | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
the regulators and the BBC precisely said, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
"Perhaps this was the wrong thing to broadcast at Christmas." | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
They said, "This was a perfectly appropriate thing for Men Behaving Badly to do, but at Christmas," | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
which has an assumption about familiness, | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
"then that's not the right place to put it." | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
I don't know how we took that long | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
to really deal with the subject of masturbation, | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
because frankly it's very central to young men's lives | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
and therefore it was remiss of us to wait till Christmas 1999 to do it. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
Have you got a light, Tony? | 0:44:12 | 0:44:13 | |
No, not that drawer, you can't! | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
If we broke any ground | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
it was in dealing with the delicate relationship | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
between a mainstream audience and the subject matter. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
We dealt with pornography in an earlier episode. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
Tony has a girlfriend, which is quite rare for him, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
who discovers that he's got a drawer full of pornography | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
and he does, for him, quite an articulate defence. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
What's she got that I haven't? | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
Nothing, it's just that, well, she folds up into a nice handy size | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
and sits quietly in the drawer. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
And his girlfriend understandably says, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
"It's a deal breaker, I don't think you should be reading these things." | 0:44:47 | 0:44:52 | |
Does that really turn you on? | 0:44:52 | 0:44:53 | |
How can that possibly... Oh, yes, it does actually. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
How can it? | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
She's naked! | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
Yes, but she's obviously freezing to death. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
She's sitting on a fork lift truck feeling exposed and stupid | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
and like a piece of meat. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:08 | |
How can that turn you on? | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
Well, she's naked! | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
It's interesting to compare it with Friends, the American sitcom, | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
in which pornography seemed to be | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
tolerated and embraced by the female characters in Friends. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:24 | |
We are looking at Playboy. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:25 | |
Oh, I want to look, too. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
I don't know whether that says something about our sitcoms, | 0:45:27 | 0:45:32 | |
or our culture, but I certainly was surprised that | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
America seemed to be more liberal | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
about pornography, at least if you use sitcoms as your guide. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:41 | |
By the '90s we were waking up to an uncomfortable fact, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
American sitcoms were just as funny and maybe more daring. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
It's funny, because I grew up thinking American comedy | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
and American TV in general, | 0:45:51 | 0:45:53 | |
was more repressed, and more awkward about sex and sexuality than British | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
television and then something like Seinfeld came along | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
and completely blew my theory out of the water. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
I am never doing...THAT again! | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
One episode of Seinfeld, | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
The Contest, was entirely devoted to giving up masturbation. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
Far from prompting complaints, it won an Emmy. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
-You don't think I can? -No chance! -Do you think you could? | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
Well, I know I could hold out longer than you! | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
Care to make it interesting? | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
In that scene where they set the bet up, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
the men are surprised that Elaine wants to be involved. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
Clearly there's an assumption there, women don't masturbate, | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
so she'd win the bet easily. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
I want to be in on this too! | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
-No, it's a whole different thing because you're a woman! -So what? | 0:46:37 | 0:46:43 | |
It's easier for a woman not to do it than a man. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
We have to do it, it's part of our lifestyle. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
I think it was really pioneering to do something like that and on | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
a huge show that was a big mainstream success. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:56 | |
Did you make it through the night? | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
-Yes, I'm proud to say I did. -So you're still master of your domain? | 0:46:58 | 0:47:03 | |
Yes, I am master of my domain! | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
Even when they used phrases like master of their domain, | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
everyone knew what they were talking about in Seinfeld. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
And again it's really clever because you have the woman, Elaine, actually losing the bet. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
'I think it's interesting to listen to the audience responses, | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
'because there's a slow realisation, | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
'you can hear that the audience laughter gets louder | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
'as the realisation of the implication of what she's doing. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
-You caved? -It's over? | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
You're out? | 0:47:29 | 0:47:30 | |
Oh, my God, the Queen is dead! | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
I think running through that, and running through the whole episode, | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
is an interesting idea about gender. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
Men Behaving Badly can have ideas of men masturbating, | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
but the idea of women masturbating is still taboo in most cultures. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:49 | |
-Any fun, fantasy type things? -No. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:55 | |
Not sharing the British love of the loser, | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
sex seemed ubiquitous in the most mainstream American sitcoms. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
If you tell me I might do it! | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
In Friends, the idea that young people | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
have sex with each other, just like everyone knows they do, is a given. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
Sex isn't an issue. It's discussed in a minutiae of detail | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
that in the British sitcom, particularly in the '90s, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
by the 1990s, we had no idea we could write that. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
There are scenes on prime time US Thursday night NBC | 0:48:26 | 0:48:31 | |
where Ross and Rachel are in bed together, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
discussing sexual fantasies about what they're going to do next. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
OK, did you ever see Return Of The Jedi? | 0:48:36 | 0:48:41 | |
Yeah. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
Do you remember the scene with Jabba The Hutt? | 0:48:50 | 0:48:56 | |
Well, Jabba had as his prisoner, Princess Leia. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:04 | |
Ross wants her to dress up as Princess Leia. Now in Britain, that would be a bit "Ooooh!" | 0:49:07 | 0:49:12 | |
But in America that's just "well, what do you fancy?" | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
They draw the comedy out of it, they make it funny, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
but it's not an issue, it's just there. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
Communication in American sitcom is in the end always possible. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
British sitcom seems to say communication is never | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
fully possible, we can never fully understand each other | 0:49:29 | 0:49:33 | |
and therefore if we can never fully understand each other, it becomes pointless trying to communicate. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
Oh, I've got something in my eye. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:39 | |
Back home Gimme Gimme Gimme seemed to catch Britcom at the crossroads, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:43 | |
about to embrace the new freedom | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
yet still rooted in the old world of innuendo and frustration. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
Gimme Gimme Gimme was, I think, | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
one of the most frank portrayals of sex in British sitcom. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
You know, Jonathan Harvey is a great writer, and I think he was very open | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
about things, just when you think taboos can't be pushed any further. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:03 | |
What's it like having a knob? | 0:50:03 | 0:50:05 | |
The language of Gimme Gimme Gimme was sort of, erm...dirty! | 0:50:07 | 0:50:12 | |
Bawdy. It's sort of in the vein of a slightly more up-to-date, | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
slightly postmodern Carry On film. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
-Is he a ventriloquist? -Well, I wouldn't mind | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
him sticking his hands up me skirt and making me lips move. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:28 | |
Sex was really important to the characters, | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
just because they were both single and both desperate. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
I haven't had it in weeks. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
The next bloke I meet | 0:50:36 | 0:50:37 | |
is going to need a pickaxe and a Davy lamp to break his way in. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
I think the ideal man for her was Tom. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
It was just that she didn't really believe that gay existed. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
She thought he was just being slightly lazy. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
They did eventually kiss. In our millennium special episode, | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
they did have a snog, which was fabulous for Linda | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
but not so fabulous for Tom. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
In one respect, this co-hab comedy with a twist marked yet another | 0:51:00 | 0:51:04 | |
step forward in sitcom's shedding of its inhibitions. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
I do think it's interesting, just from the point of view | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
it was the first sitcom on British telly, a British sitcom, anyway, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
where one of the lead characters was gay. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
I mean, Queer as Folk had come out | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
I think either the same year or the year before, | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
so there was clearly an appetite for stuff with gay characters in. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:24 | |
But this was the BBC, and this was quite mainstream. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
Was he any good? Did he move your earth? | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
He was a bit toothy. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
Comedy had come a long way since the days of Mr Humphries. Or had it? | 0:51:34 | 0:51:38 | |
There's a way in which it very explicitly throws back | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
to stereotyped representations of homosexual characters, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
but in doing those very kind of knowingly and over the top, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
still now it's difficult to kind of work out if we can think of that | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
as a progressive kind of deconstruction of, | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
and deliberate over-the-top performance of camp stereotypes | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
or whether it's just a rehash of those for a modern audience. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:04 | |
In the new millennium, sitcom moved fast. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
Adultery, sex before marriage and homosexuality | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
were no longer its problem. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
And there'd soon be sitcoms | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
that would make Gimme Gimme Gimme seem tame. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
There are people who are writing sitcoms who grew up in the middle of the 1990s. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
They've got no sense of that frustration | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
which has been so central to the creation of British comedy. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
So now what you've got is you've got an amazing freedom in comedy where | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
literally - sexually, at least - almost anything is possible. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
Hmm, women. There they are, walking around. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:40 | |
And they've all got them, under their clothes, hiding there. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:46 | |
But I know the secret. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:47 | |
Vaginas. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
It seemed sitcom man was free at last | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
to say exactly what was on his mind. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
The whole premise of Peep Show is that we're hearing people's interior monologues, | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
and we're hearing the interior monologues of two young men, | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
so it's no surprise that | 0:53:02 | 0:53:03 | |
a lot of the time what they're thinking about is sex. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
She's definitely got one. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
She's trying to make out she hasn't got one, but I know she has. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:14 | |
Got to stop thinking about vaginas! | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
You know, when they're walking around, when they go to a disco, | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
at a gig, in a club, they're seeing women. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
All they can think about is sex all the time. And then he walks into the toilet. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
-What's going on? -Barney's only locked himself in the bloody bog. -What have you done to him? | 0:53:24 | 0:53:29 | |
-Nothing. Jesus! -He's a fucker! | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
-Has he been sucking you off? -No, course not. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:36 | |
-Yeah. -Well, maybe once. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
Sitcom's pushing back taboos all the time. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
Maybe not so much in what they show, | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
But they're pushing taboos back in what they talk about and the language they use. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
And, you know, whether it's The Inbetweeners talking about blow jobs | 0:53:46 | 0:53:51 | |
or Peep Show talking about sucking off or just generally the sort of | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
terms they use for sexual organs, | 0:53:55 | 0:53:57 | |
this has changed a lot, particularly, I think, in the last decade. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
Don't suck him off, all right? And don't make him suck you off. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
Just get him out there without any more sucking off. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
Of course, there were still rules about what you could say, | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
but they'd changed a bit since Alf Garnett's day. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
We're rationed to 25 bloodys per script. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
And I remember once doing a deal with a BBC producer. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
It was four "bloodys" for two "tits". | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
At the BBC now, you fill in a form that is essentially a fuck request. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:27 | |
You ask the channel controller for a fuck, | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
obviously in the nicest possible way! | 0:54:31 | 0:54:35 | |
And it's their decision, as it were, | 0:54:35 | 0:54:38 | |
the number of fucks they'll give you. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
I'm likely to use an awful lot of what we would call | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
violent sexual imagery, | 0:54:45 | 0:54:47 | |
and I just wanted to check | 0:54:47 | 0:54:48 | |
that neither of you would be terribly offended by that. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
It seems to me one of the things | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
that comedy has a sort of duty to do is to keep pushing, | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
because comedy can say things | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
which serious programmes can't, I think, sometimes. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:08 | |
You look at a show like The Thick of It, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:10 | |
where it's Malcolm Tucker's birthday, | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
and his PA brings in a box. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
It's clearly a cake. And he opens it, | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
and it says in icing on the cake, "Happy Birthday C-*-N-T." | 0:55:17 | 0:55:23 | |
This could be from anybody. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
Ah, it's from the Prime Minister. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
Clearly, for that audience, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
language isn't the great headache, or rather some language. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:35 | |
You know, racial language now is much more frowned on | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
than sexual language. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:39 | |
So it's not that we're no longer offended, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
we're just offended by different things. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:48 | |
-What's the -BLEEP -doing here? -Eh? | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
There was a key moment in the 1990s in British comedy, | 0:55:50 | 0:55:56 | |
which actually happens completely off screen. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
The Independent Television Commission, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
the body that regulates television, | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
published its regular "what offends the viewers?" | 0:56:03 | 0:56:07 | |
At some point in the mid-1990s, | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
sex fell down the list and race went up the list, and that was | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
when Britain started to find | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
the idea of sex and rudity and nudity not that big a deal. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
But actually, it's quite a big deal to be racist. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
Now, after that, | 0:56:22 | 0:56:24 | |
comedy starts to move into a much more open direction. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
Wow. What's this? | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
-I thought you might like to watch. -Really? -Yeah. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
In a sitcom like Him and Her on BBC Three in 2010, the key characters | 0:56:32 | 0:56:38 | |
are a couple who just basically are in bed the whole time. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:42 | |
-I don't mind, if you do something for me. -Like what? | 0:56:42 | 0:56:48 | |
Still that programme is very much about the negotiation of sex | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
between men and women, and the ways in which, | 0:56:51 | 0:56:55 | |
quite often, women hold the strings in terms of sex. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
-Like letting Laura pop round? -Laura?! | 0:56:58 | 0:57:04 | |
She's my sister, Steve. She's feeling really down about Paul. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:08 | |
That's an idea that's been going on in sitcom for years, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
so the reasons why sex is funny are the same now as 50, 60 years ago. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
Still, it seems an awfully long way from Hancock's Half Hour. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
And in today's multi-channel world, what will be the last taboo to go? | 0:57:19 | 0:57:24 | |
"Taboo" is a funny word. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
There are a great many that remain, | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
and there are things which can't be dealt with in sitcom. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:34 | |
I was once approached by a man at Yorkshire Television, | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
and he said to me, "David, we want to do a play about sex abuse, | 0:57:37 | 0:57:42 | |
"and we immediately thought of you." | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
I said no. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:50 | |
But maybe comedy will be kept in check by the oldest taboo of all, | 0:57:54 | 0:57:58 | |
not being funny. | 0:57:58 | 0:57:59 | |
If you go further than the audience wants you to, | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
either in language or material or just reference, they won't laugh. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:09 |