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Millions of us are targeted in scams every year, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
and whether it comes in the form of an e-mail, | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
a cold call or a knock at the door, they're all designed to do | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
one thing and one thing only, to get you to part with your cash. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
Coming up, how one woman's addiction to scam mail | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
almost cost her her home and her family. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
I couldn't stop. I thought, "I'm missing out on something | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
"if I don't open this letter. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
"It might be the one with the cheque in." | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
And the real-life Walter Mitty whose fraudulent exploits were | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
the stuff of Hollywood movies. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
The lies that were coming out of his mouth were unbelievable. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
Everybody who was involved was fooled by him. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
Well, I'm here to tell you what the conman doesn't want you to know, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
how to stay one step ahead of the game and not get scammed. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
Most scams work on their targets | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
when they're at a moment of weakness, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
when something has happened which will make them | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
behave in a way that they wouldn't do otherwise. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
Mailshot scams are no different. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
They go out in their millions | 0:01:23 | 0:01:24 | |
through letterboxes across the country, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
hoping to find someone who, just once, will respond. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
Scams of this kind come in many shapes and sizes, | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
but organisations such as the Serious Organised Crime Agency | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
refer to them as mass marketing fraud. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
The most common types of mass marketing fraud are romance fraud, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
lottery fraud, inheritance fraud, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
horoscopes, and then any combination of those. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
But they all have two things in common. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
They arrive through your letterbox, delivered by the postman, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
and they have one sole aim, to get at your cash. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
Over three million people in the UK fall victim | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
to mass marketing fraud every year. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Some get wise to the scam before parting with too much money, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
but other, more vulnerable victims are sucked into a vicious cycle, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
which can go on for years, with devastating results. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
I'm about to meet a woman who's been receiving scam mail for a decade, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
and it cost her and her family very dear indeed. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
All the little boats. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
76-year-old June from Torquay became embroiled | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
in the world of scam mail after a family tragedy. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
She and daughter Liz have been through a terrible time, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
but they've agreed to share their story to warn others about | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
the effects scam mail can have on people | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
who are at their most vulnerable. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
-Hello! -Hello! -You must be Liz. -Yes. Come on in. -Thank you very much. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
Tell me about life with your family. How is it? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
What would you say? | 0:03:06 | 0:03:07 | |
We've been through a difficult time because, obviously, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
Mum lost her eldest daughter, Salma, in a drowning incident, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:16 | |
which has, sort of, rocked the family. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
-When was that? -That was ten years ago, 2001. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:26 | |
And it was the most horrendous day of my life. I'll never forget it. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
Following her daughter's death, June sank into a deep depression. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
You know, it's a horrible shock, to have someone taken from you | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
-so quickly. -Mm hmm. -How did you try and cope with that? | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
Do you know? I just went in my shell. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
I just didn't go out. I never went anywhere. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
I stayed home all the time with my husband. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
And it was at this moment, when she was at her lowest ebb, that | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
the scam mail started to arrive through June's letterbox. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
I started getting letters from clairvoyants from all over the place. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:10 | |
They were coming from America, even, to this address. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
Initially sceptical, June didn't respond to the letters, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
but then something arrived which caught her attention. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
The lottery. The lottery was one of them. The Australian lottery. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
And there was massive amounts of money... | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
to be won. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
This particular wording often includes things like, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
"This is your lucky day" | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
and, "You have been chosen." | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
"You are the selected person." Of course, you're not. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
You're one of about 10,000 that were selected to see | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
if you will fall for it. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:47 | |
Her daughter's death had left June at rock bottom, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
and she suddenly thought she saw something that could make | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
a huge difference to her and her family. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
So she started replying to the lottery letters. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
Can you tell me the first piece of paper that came | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
through your door that you responded to? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
Their motto is to play the lottery | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
with the amount of money that you feel comfortable with. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
"Play only for fun." Which, I thought, that was all right. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
And that started me off. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
Older, elderly victims are more often likely to send off some money | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
to start with because they think it's a right thing. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
June began by sending small amounts of around £20 | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
to be entered into a prize draw. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
But once she'd sent off one lot of money, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
the fraudsters wanted more, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
another 20 or £30 to enter her into the next stage of the draw. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
And now that she'd replied to the scammers, the floodgates opened. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
The victim, once they've made the initial response, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
will start to get more letters. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
They will get tens, hundreds of letters a week | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
because the fraudster will sell on those names to another fraudster | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
because they're a person who will respond. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
Within a very short space of time, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
June started to receive scam lottery letters from Spain, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
Australia, Canada, America. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
And she began to devote all her time | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
to opening them and reading them. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
My husband used to get annoyed. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:19 | |
"Are you still on with that?" I said, "Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes." | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
And it would take me all day. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
In my experience, this type of offence can get to people | 0:06:27 | 0:06:32 | |
to the extent where it takes over their lives. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
When I'd get there, she'd probably still be in her dressing gown | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
and opening the post. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:40 | |
I'd notice in drawers and cupboards, when I was putting clothes away, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:45 | |
piles of letters. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
The letters promised one of two things. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
Either June had already won a large cash prize, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
and all she had to do to receive it was send off a payment order | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
of 20 or £30, | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
or she'd been exclusively selected to enter a prize draw | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
worth millions of pounds, and she simply had to send off an entry fee. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
June was quickly being sucked into an addictive cycle | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
of responding to these letters. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
And as the weeks, months and then years went by, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
she began sending off hundreds and then thousands of pounds. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
How many credit card slips would you be filling in? | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
I would do about four a day. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
For an average amount of how much, would you say? | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
£20. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:28 | |
So you could be spending, on average, about £80 a day? | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
The scammers even convinced June to set up a monthly direct debit, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
so that she could be entered automatically | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
into lottery prize draws. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
And June didn't have this money to spend. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
She was receiving just £296 a month in a state pension, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
and she was spending this, and some of her husband's pension, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
to play the so-called lottery. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
I even sold my jewellery. I sold all sorts of things to get money... | 0:07:57 | 0:08:03 | |
to put on and bet on the lottery. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
By this point, several years had gone by | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
and June's family were becoming increasingly concerned. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
My daughter was objecting to me spending so much money | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
and she was trying to tell me this was a scam and not to do it. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
And my grandson too. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
He got involved and said, "Grandma, are you doing these things again?" | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
I said, "Yes." | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
He took all the mail and tore it all up in front of me | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
and threw it on the floor and jumped on it. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
But June was under the spell of the scam letters, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
and like many people who are targeted this way, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
she didn't want to hear what her loved ones were saying. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
Victims who continually send money away to these sort of mailings, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:57 | |
are what we see as chronic victims. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
And quite often, even when they are told, look, this is not real, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:08 | |
they carry on doing it. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
And June's refusal to listen began to have a damaging effect | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
on her relationship with her daughter. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
Tell me what happened when you confronted your mum about the... | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
She wasn't happy. She was very angry. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
She would say, I'm putting the evil eye on her games | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
and she'll never win with an attitude like that towards it. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:36 | |
Why did you ignore them and carry on? | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
I don't know, just something inside me wanted to achieve this. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
The loss of daughter Selma, had left June with a hole in her life, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
one she was filling with scam mail. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
And the conmen needed no encouragement to keep sending it. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
There is a genuine need here just to talk to somebody. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
And getting all of those letters was, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
whilst we might look at them and think, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
"This is a load of fraudulent mail, it is a load of rubbish." | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
To them it's contact with the outside world. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
Sensing June's vulnerability, the scammers began to call her and send her gifts. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:18 | |
They will be on the phone asking you about your private life. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
They will even send you flowers, a box of chocolates. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
All of this is a grooming process to gain your confidence. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
Recently I got a card from a girl who was leaving, one of the lottery people. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:35 | |
And she sent me a little package containing some soaps... | 0:10:35 | 0:10:42 | |
..nuts and chocolates and... | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
-So the idea there is this is... -As a gift. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
-But this is like a friendship now? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
The scammers had now manipulated June so much, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
she began hiding things from her family. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
I would sneak the mail and hide it somewhere else. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
And when they went I would sneak out, open it up and read it. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:09 | |
And play some more. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
And it went on like that for years. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
At her wits end, Liz decided to take matters into her own hands. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
She began to withdraw her dad's pension | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
and pay her parents' bills herself. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
And to stop the direct debits, she closed her mum's bank account and opened another one. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:29 | |
But this didn't stop June paying over the phone, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
or withdrawing cash to send in the post. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
Without a doubt there is some sort of addiction here. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
I don't see it any different to gambling, alcoholism. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:44 | |
It is an addiction and people need help. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
I couldn't stop, I couldn't stop, I thought I was missing out on something | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
if I don't open this letter. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
It might be the one with the cheque in and blah, blah, blah. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
And I was fooling myself. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
June had now been responding to scam mail for ten years. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
And Liz was becoming increasingly desperate. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
Then she discovered a website called, Think Jessica, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
which told stories of people in exactly the same situation as June. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:15 | |
It had been set up by Marilyn Baldwin, after her mother, Jessica, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
became addicted to scam mail. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
We tried to stop her, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
we tried to explain to her that this mail wasn't genuine. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
But she just couldn't see it, it was almost like they had trapped her. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
She was in this fictitious world they'd created with the mail. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
Marilyn wanted people to see this footage to show | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
the devastating impact scam mail can have. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
She actually thought she was rich, in a strange way, even though | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
she hadn't received anything. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
Jessica remained under the spell of the scam artists | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
until just before she died in 2007. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
I think when my mum was going through this, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
I would have quite gladly given them the house and everything, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
they could have taken everything just to get my mother back. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
They stole her from me. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
Since her mother's death, Marilyn has campaign to raise | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
awareness of the problem and help others in the same situation. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
And for Liz, the website was proof she and her mum weren't alone. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
I read it, everything to you and we sat and cried. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
Yeah, it had an impact on me when I read that. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
When Elizabeth read it out to me. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
And I thought, that's me, I'm getting myself into such a muddle with life. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
And I've got to do something. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
And these shook me up and made me see reason. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
Finally, the penny seemed to have dropped. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
Over a ten-year period, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
June had ploughed over £100,000 into fraudulent lottery schemes, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
and at last, she was able to see the damage that had been done. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
I could have bought a house. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
What do you make of that figure? | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
Well, it's disgusting, isn't it, really? | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
I mean...I'm on a pension and I spent all my pension on that. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:23 | |
Most of my dad's pension too, and savings I'd had, and jewellery. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:29 | |
With Liz's help, June has now taken steps to stop scam mail. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
I've stopped looking at the mail. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
I just get rid of it in the bin. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
You've changed your bank details. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
Yeah, I've changed the bank details. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
-Been to the bank and we've stopped all the cards. -Yeah. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
She was using a number of... | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
And I leave Elizabeth to handle the affairs, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
the bills that need paying, so I don't handle any money... | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
..or credit cards. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:05 | |
That must be very hard for you to take, though? | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
When you have been so independent. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
Yeah. Well, it is, it's difficult. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
But that's the only way I can do it. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
I think you're really lucky, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
you have a very close family who are there for you. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
-And, you know, at this point... -I am. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
..you know, they've been able to step in and help. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
I am grateful, grateful to my daughter and my son | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
and my grandson and my husband. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
All of them. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:37 | |
June has managed to kick scam mail out of her life before it was | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
too late, but there are others out there who are not so lucky. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
How can you avoid falling victim to mass-marketing lottery scams? | 0:15:47 | 0:15:52 | |
On this type of fraud, it doesn't exist. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
Never answer a letter, never send an upfront fee, and look after | 0:15:56 | 0:16:03 | |
the elderly and vulnerable to make sure that they are not | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
becoming a victim to this. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
And if it does happen, report it to Action Fraud. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
June has lost a huge sum of money, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
but there is light at the end of the tunnel. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
She has stopped paying attention | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
to all the rubbish that comes through her letterbox. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
It could have ripped her family wide apart. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
But it isn't going to now, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:30 | |
and that's all because of a bit of tough love from her daughter, Liz. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
These days, most scam artists like to target people using e-mail, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
the phone, or the mailbox. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
But there are those who still like to do it | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
the old-fashioned way, face-to-face. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
And tales of what they get up to | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
can read like the plot of a Hollywood movie. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
This story is about a man called George Schouten, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
a Walter Mitty type character, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:03 | |
who created a series of fantasy lifestyles and alter egos, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
in order to perpetrate some truly outrageous scams. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
Mr Schouten, without doubt, is probably the most eccentric character | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
I've met, the lies that have come out of his mouth were unbelievable. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
I don't think George Schouten could lie straight in bed. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
In April 2008, Thames Valley Police began receiving | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
complaints about Schouten from people involved in showjumping. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
PC Stuart Keys was on secondment to CID at the time | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
and was charged with investigating the case. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
As more victims are coming forward, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
I felt that obviously we had a big fraudster on our hands here. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:50 | |
One of the first people to contact PC Keys was Patrick Riley, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
who runs a company which makes physiotherapy equipment for horses. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
Patrick had been contacted by George Schouten, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
who said he was the son of the multi-millionaire owner of | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
computer giant IBM and that he was setting up an IBM showjumping team. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:09 | |
He had lots of cash on him, a good-looking woman on his arm, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
drove then at that time, I think he was in an Audi Q7 4x4. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Nice clothes, etc. Played the part, perfectly. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:21 | |
Schouten told Patrick he wanted to order some equipment for the | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
IBM team, which to Patrick sounded like the opportunity of a lifetime. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
The thought of being involved with somebody the size of IBM | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
was fantastic. We thought all our dreams come true. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
Schouten put in an order £62,500 worth of equipment, which Patrick | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
and his wife delivered in person on the agreement | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
he would pay for it by bank transfer within 30 days. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
I thought the golden goose had laid its egg, I thought we had | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
the opportunity now to make a lot of money with some decent clients. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
But the payment date came and went and the money didn't materialise. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
When the 30 days had expired, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
Excuses started to come out as to why the money hadn't been paid. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
"My father said this, my father said that, the lawyers are involved, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
"it's in a trust fund," all this kind of rubbish. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
It was at this point that we really started to know that | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
something wasn't quite right with this guy. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
Patrick contacted the police | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
and they quickly discovered that George Schouten had previous. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
In 2003, he had been jailed for 18 months for obtaining | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
services by deception in a Catch Me If You Can style scam | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
involving the world of aviation. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
He contacted an airline company, wishing to buy a helicopter. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
He turned up wearing an air pilot's uniform, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
claiming he was a pilot for a prince in Dubai. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
He also claimed to be a qualified neurosurgeon, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
and said he was setting up his own airline. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
Schouten came here to Farnborough Airspace and hired out a warehouse. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
Even hired staff to work on his new airline, including a secretary, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
who was promised a salary of £58,000, and a pilot who was | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
promised £180,000 if he gave up his job and came to work for Schouten. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
Needless to say, the jobs didn't exist. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
The aviation company were never paid and Schouten's claims that he | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
was a helicopter-flying neurosurgeon were exposed as lies. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
Now, five years later, it seemed Schouten | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
was up to his old tricks again. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
As the police investigated, they discovered that he had set up | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
a showjumping team, which had competed at various events. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
But when they called IBM to make sure he was who he said he was, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
they were in for a surprise. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
IBM told me that Mr Schouten | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
has no connections whatsoever with their company | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
and they wished to have any items with the IBM logo on to be destroyed. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
This was the bombshell Patrick didn't want to receive. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
He believed he was going into business with a global | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
technology giant, who could bankroll his business | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
and provide fantastic advertising for years to come. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
It turned out now it was all a pack of lies. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
We felt we'd had our pants pulled down in public, kind of thing. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
A bit embarrassed. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
George Schouten was living out a fantasy lifestyle, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
playing the role of the son of a multi-millionaire businessman | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
with a love of showjumping. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Mr Schouten had flamboyant sports cars, Hummers, Porsches, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
giving off this impression that he was a wealthy sort of person. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
Unbeknown to the people that he was in connection with, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
everything was rented. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
Schouten was living the dream, without paying the bills. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
Patrick Riley wasn't the only person that he had deceived. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
The second person was responsible for embroidering items of clothing | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
or equipment used in the horse-riding world. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
Mr Schouten said if they could provide clothing etc for the horses | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
and riders, with the IBM logo, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
they'd be paid thousands of pounds worth of sponsorship deals. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
He had also managed to deceive a well-known horse trainer | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
and he had persuaded a star British rider to join his showjumping team. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
They'd all been taken in by this highly accomplished conman. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
But once Patrick Riley knew about Schouten's criminal past, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
he decided to take matters into his own hands. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
The main thing we wanted to do was ensure we got our money back, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
or our equipment back, because it was quite a substantial amount. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
Patrick Riley instructed a debt collection company to go | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
round to Schouten's house and pick up his equipment. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
George wasn't in at the time, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
but it transpired that the equipment was in the garage and the chaps were | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
allowed into the garage, seized the equipment and brought it back to us. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:47 | |
But Patrick was still owed £5,000 by Schouten for goods | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
he hadn't paid for, and the other victims between them | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
had lost around £27,000 in unpaid goods and services. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
So, PC Keys now had ample evidence to bring | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
George Schouten in for a formal interview. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
And surprise, surprise, at first, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
it seemed the fraudster had an answer for everything. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
When asked why he had claimed to be the son of the owner of IBM... | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
Mr Schouten stated that he hadn't told anyone that he had | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
any connections whatsoever with IBM | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
and just said that he was going to use them as a potential sponsorship. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
And when asked why he had put in a large order | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
for equipment from Patrick Riley and then not paid for it... | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
Mr Schouten admitted to borrowing equipment from Mr Riley, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
but stated he returned that equipment, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
never placed a second order and there was never anything else outstanding. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
But the police weren't buying any of it. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
During the interview, Mr Schouten was becoming agitated. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
I could tell he was being backed into a corner. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
He knew the evidence against him | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
was such that these guys were all telling the truth. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
And a search of Mr Schouten's home provided the police with more | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
evidence that backed up the victims' claims. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
I found items such as baseball caps, jackets, horse blankets, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:04 | |
all with the IBM logo printed on them. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
As well as various paperwork. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
The police now had what they needed | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
to take serious action against George Schouten. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
Whilst in police custody, Mr Schouten was charged with three counts | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
of fraud, bailed to attend Reading Crown Court in July 2010. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
Although he paid his victims back the money he owed them, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
Schouten still had to answer for his crimes. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
And in the dock, he pleaded guilty. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
He was then bailed to appear at Reading Crown Court | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
one month later for his sentencing. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
But on the day of the sentencing, Schouten didn't turn up. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
He went down to the south coast, hired a boat | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
and absconded to France, which is the last known sighting of Mr Schouten. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
This Catch Me If You Can conman had managed to | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
evade his captors at the final hour and sail off into the sunset. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
George Schouten was sentenced in his absence to 27 months. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
If he is caught, he will be sent straight to prison. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
We'd very much like to find Mr Schouten, locate him | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
and bring him back to England so he can serve his prison sentence. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
So if anyone has got any information on his whereabouts, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
please contact Thames Valley Police and let us locate this man. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
Before we go, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
there's just time to tell you about some of the latest scams out there. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
I've come to meet an expert from the Citizens Advice Bureau | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
to get the lowdown on what you should be looking out for. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
Today, we're looking at a scam targeting those looking for property. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
Landlord scams can be really cruel, because they don't just | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
take your money, they can deprive you of a place to live. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
So, how does this scam work? | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
The difficulty is, you can't always see | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
the place that you're hoping to live. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
Maybe you live abroad and you're coming to work in the UK, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
or you're moving to the other end of the country | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
and you need there to be accommodation when you get there. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
So, what's really going on here? | 0:26:19 | 0:26:20 | |
The scam works because you are making a payment upfront. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
But these are just phantom flats, they don't exist, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
or if they do exist, there is somebody already living there. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
And presumably, if the landlord does it to one | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
set of potential tenants, he can do it to 100. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
And you wouldn't know, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
because you're looking for this place online, you're not going to | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
an office where you are meeting other people or anything like that. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
Be wary of handing over upfront fees for a property you haven't seen. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
For extra peace of mind, you can also see | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
if your agent is part of the Safe Agent Scheme. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
Fraudsters will forever be coming up | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
with new ways to get you to part with your cash. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
But armed with a little bit of knowledge, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
you can be one step ahead of them. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
Stay safe. I'll see you next time. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
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