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This film contains some strong language and scenes which some viewers may find disturbing. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:09 | |
I was there on the spot when it happened, right here. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
Just nothing I could do to help him. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
-Reporters have said it's a gang war. It wasn't. -It's nothing like that. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
If it was a gang war, why did two people get hurt? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
It would be a lot more than two people getting hurt. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
"A teenager was stabbed to death in an orgy of violence | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
"and regulars clashed with a gang of thugs outside a pub. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:54 | |
"Shevon Wilson, 17, collapsed in a pool of blood | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
"as around 30 young men brawled | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
"in a tough area of Bristol yesterday." | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
There's some hostility about because that's where it happened. It happened outside that pub. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
The person that done it come out from that pub. So, obviously, people are not happy about it. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:15 | |
The police are taking the piss. They're standing out here | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
all the time, mocking us, they want us to do something. They want the excuse. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
"Crazed attackers, some barely teenagers, grabbed bricks and bicycle parts to batter each other. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:29 | |
"Locals blame the violence on a gang known as the Speedwell Crew | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
"or the Top Lot, who entered The World's End pub looking for trouble." | 0:01:33 | 0:01:38 | |
The first article that I read in the paper said that 30 youths come down to this pub, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
hooded up, basically looking for trouble, when that didn't happen. You know what I'm saying? | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
"It is believed regulars then fought back | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
"and a mass battle sprawled outside." | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
If I wasn't there and I just read the paper, I woke up on Saturday morning and I read the paper, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
you get what I'm saying, and I just heard that, I would think, yeah, well, OK, it was a big fight. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
It was a big fight and yeah, he got stabbed, well, they shouldn't have been fighting, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
or something like that. That's what I would think. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
You get what I'm saying? If I wasn't there. But I was there, innit. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
"After being stabbed, Shevon was rushed to hospital, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
"but he later died from his wounds." | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
Just makes me feel shame, like... | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
Like, we're the bad ones, if you know what I mean. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
Everything's just put on us, just because we're a group of mates | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
who hang around up by a local shop, wearing hoodies. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
-Police... -From my point of view, investigating murder, and my team, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
what generally comes across is that there's never a reason for why these things happen. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:23 | |
Erm, I think we've dealt with about nine murders in the last 12 months, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
and if you watch the cop shows on TV and everyone's talking about motive, you need motive, what's the motive? | 0:03:27 | 0:03:33 | |
None of the jobs I've dealt with have had any kind of motive whatsoever. They've all been over stupid things. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:39 | |
This stair and this stair had, like, two huge pools of blood on them. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:45 | |
It looks like, basically, it's a drag mark and then a step down | 0:03:45 | 0:03:51 | |
and there's blood in the shoe and it's sort of spattered out. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
If there are difficult questions, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
then we do have to face them head-on. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
Yeah. Need to be keen to stress that it's not organised crime. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
They're groups of lads, they're not gangs. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
The victim isn't known to us, full stop. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
The cause of death in the PM yesterday, there's three causes which all follow on from each other. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:24 | |
The main cause of death is multi-organ failure, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
which was caused by hypovolemic shock, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
which is essentially blood loss. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
The stab wound is between nine and 11 centimetres deep. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
-OK. -And it's an angle upwards and inwards. It's about there. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
-Slightly up and slightly pointed to the inside of the body. -Right. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
Single wound, that took out both his femoral artery and femoral vein. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:54 | |
According to the pathologist, essentially he was dead as soon as it happened. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
-There was no chance of him surviving. -Right. -Huge blood loss. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
There was some blood on the door here. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
Any of the green arrows are blood swabs that we've taken. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:10 | |
The red arrows on the floor are footwear marks in blood. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
This room is surprisingly tidy, compared to how we found it. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:19 | |
The television table had been upturned with the television on the floor, which is damaged. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
The vase had been thrown. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
This weekend was the end of Ramadan, which is fasting, and the start of the Eid festival. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
And as a result, traditionally, the young Asian lads go out celebrating. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
And on Sunday night, a group of lads from Bolton | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
and a group of lads from the Oldham/Bradford area | 0:05:38 | 0:05:43 | |
have all ended up in town celebrating Eid in Manchester city centre. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
By coincidence, they all end up staying in Victoria Buildings. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
It's not a hotel, it's more like serviced apartments, but they do rent them out on a nightly basis. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
As the night goes on, there starts to develop a bit of tension | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
between the two groups, and we don't know why exactly. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
At which point, there's a massive fight. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
23 is completely trashed, and eventually, there's a bit of hand-to-hand combat, if you like. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:13 | |
And at the front of that hand-to-hand appears to be our victim, Zhen. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
And at some stage in that melee, he receives a stab wound. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
We know from the suspect accounts that he is stabbed by a man who comes out of that bedroom there. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:33 | |
And there is some blood there, albeit not a great deal. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
We also believe that Zhen manages to walk. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
-So we assume that he gets to the door here and this blood here is probably Zhen's. -Yeah. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:45 | |
-The next bit is his four friends, carrying Zhen out. -And they're obviously struggling. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
They drop him a couple of times and that's probably why the blood is on the carpet everywhere. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
-The next people you see come down now are the other contingent. -The Oldham lads. -Yeah. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
So, if we go through these slowly... He's got a bottle in his right hand. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
Bottle in his right hand. Bottle in his right hand. Stick. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
Don't think anything at all. Stick. And this lad here, he's got a bottle in his left hand | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
and in his right hand, you see a glint, which I think is a knife. But if I show you that slowly... | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
There. Just see that glint then? There. About the size of a knife. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
Now, this knife block is similar to the one that's been recovered out of 39, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
minus that. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
There's two knives been found in the bedroom at 23. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
One of them fits the wound, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
according to the vascular surgeon that repaired Zhen's leg, and also the pathologist. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
That's his friends who brought him out the building, they're now trying | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
to give him CPR and trying to stop the blood flow. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
Zhen's family speak about him as this sort of glowing light in their lives. | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
Educated, bright young man. He's 18 years old, you know. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
He's at the start of his life. Loads of people in Bolton knew him as this | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
bright, bubbly kid that was always happy and that had loads of friends. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
-So they know he's dying, don't they? -Yeah. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
Going back to the scene on the Monday morning when the cops arrive, they're met by a real chaotic mess. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:36 | |
They see a lot of young Asian lads, a lot of them agitated. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
Some have got tops on, some haven't. Some with blood, some with injuries. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
And they make the decision to lock everybody up for violent disorder. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
And from the accounts, there are at least two of the suspects have described | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
a man who was fighting with Zhen in room 23. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
And he's described - quite a distinctive lad - | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
over six feet tall with an unusual beard and heavy build. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
So he is called Shahab Rahim. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
We have four key witnesses now who saw Rahim fighting with Zhen at the time he was stabbed, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:15 | |
and if they'd been sober at the time and if they hadn't been arrested, it would be a clear case. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
Unfortunately, they weren't sober, and they were arrested, so it makes it more difficult for us. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
-Are you fit and well? -Yes. -Any injuries? -No. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
-Any medication? -No. -Drugs problems? -No. -Mental health problems? -No. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
-Ever tried to hurt yourself? -No. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
He presents as an intelligent, softly-spoken, polite guy. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:40 | |
But the evidence, even at this stage, against him, I feel, is quite strong. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
Can you see that male there, Shahab? | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
-No comment. -Is that you? -No comment. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
You've got Zhen's blood on your right shoulder, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
-can you explain to me how that got to be on your T-shirt? -No comment. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
-How has that happened? -No comment. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
Sometimes you get away with no comment if the police evidence is a bit thin, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
and sometimes they ask, "Have you got a statement?" | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
We say, "We're not telling you," and that generally means we haven't. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
But we've got these four statements, we've got this blood, we've got CCTV. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
We've got the knife from the room you were in | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
and you already told us you were in the room. That's a lot of evidence. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
All you can do is look at me and say no comment, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
-and that ain't good enough, is it? -No comment. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
Bearing in mind this is a murder inquiry - I think you stabbed Zhen. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
I think you murdered Zhen Asghar, what do you think of that? | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
No comment. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
I do feel that we're looking at the right person here. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
And I think a dispute over something as simple as a £20 note or a CD, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
I think, from what's coming out of the other interviews, could have started this situation. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
The phrase being used was "being disrespected". | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
It's a common term amongst kids, isn't it? | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
And I think it comes from the States, as in dissing somebody. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
That, ultimately, it would appear, is the reason that Zhen has been killed. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
There's a lot of talk of gangs generally throughout the public now. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:10 | |
It's quite a trendy thing to talk about. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
From a police point of view, we don't refer to them as gangs, we refer to them as organised crime groups. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:18 | |
Some people refer to gangs as a group of lads that hang around together, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
and if that's the truth, then we were all in a gang as kids. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
That's not what this is about. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
'Good evening to you from Points West. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
'A 17-year-old boy who was stabbed to death in Bristol early yesterday morning has been named by police. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
'Shevon Wilson was fatally wounded in the chest during a fight outside The World's End pub in St George...' | 0:11:48 | 0:11:54 | |
Well, I was angry all the time because someone had murdered my brother. | 0:11:54 | 0:12:00 | |
The pub was open still and people were still going in and out of the pub, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
almost as though nothing had happened, as though, you know, someone hadn't been murdered. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
And I think if the pub had been closed, it would have shown | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
some sort of respect for what had happened outside the pub. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
Did you think of closing the pub afterwards or shutting the pub down for a few days? | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
No way. No. Goodness gracious! Why should we let it affect all the other customers who use the pub? | 0:12:23 | 0:12:29 | |
-It was nothing to do with the pub. -It was nothing to do with the pub. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
How could that happen outside your pub the night before and you don't even shut your doors? | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
He should have paid respect and closed that pub. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
If I closed, it's just a closed door. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
But if I'm there, people can ask what the hell went on. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
I was there to tell them. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
There was a lot of hostility between the locals in the pub and my brother's friends. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:59 | |
They were sat on one side of the road, the locals were on the other side of the road | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
coming in and out of the pub, and it was just a very tense atmosphere, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
and it wasn't needed at that time. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
The guy who stabbed him or killed him, that's his uncle whose pub it is. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
So they're all family. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
Half of the shit what was written in the paper, all the lies, was because of them. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
They were blaming us, saying that the attacker was our nephew, for a start-off, which he wasn't. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:29 | |
And, er, it was just our fault. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:34 | |
No rhyme, no reason to it. Nothing. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
Couldn't make head or tail of it half the time. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
They just needed somebody to blame. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
It was like The Birds. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
-All in their black hoodies, looking around like that. -The Birds? | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
-The film. -The Birds, you know. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
I thought something was going to happen, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
to be honest, because there was a lot of angry people, just thinking, | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
why it happened. Why, like, you know what I mean? | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
And you just couldn't stand looking at anyone who come from that pub. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:12 | |
So I think eventually that's why the decision was made to have a bench, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
and move the flowers and things up into Meadow Vale opposite the shops, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
where they could kind of go and pay their respects without any problems or any hostility. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:32 | |
How important is this shrine, is this place now to you? | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
This is very important. If anybody come up here and disrespected it, I will go mad. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:43 | |
-Then there'll be something in the paper about that. -Yeah, that would be summat to write about. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
That's when you can come out saying that we started this shit. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
At the end of the day, my brethren got murdered. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
-He's an innocent guy, yeah? He doesn't deserve this shit, yeah? -Don't worry. Don't get emotional. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
So, I'm just saying, anyone want to disrespect anything you see here, yeah, anyone wants to disrespect it, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:06 | |
then that's when the papers can have the excuse | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
-to start writing shit about us. -That's when they can write what they writ. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
They were under the impression, the youngsters, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
that I'd sold a story, you know, to the News of the World. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
One of them turned round, I just remember this - "How much did you get paid for it?" | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
There's no way I got paid for anything. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
Nobody's even spoken to me from the News of the World. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
"A teenager was stabbed to death in an orgy of violence | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
"and regulars clashed with a gang of thugs outside a pub." | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
-We're not even a gang, we're friends, and even then, we don't look... -It's just the way we dress. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:46 | |
Friends... We call our friends family. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
Just because certain kids is unified, d'you get me? | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
Just because there is unity in this community, people see it as a gang. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
But it's not that. And I hear people saying it. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
-Why do they say it, do you think? -Because they're mentally not on the same level, you get me? | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
They're mentally circumcised in their intellect. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
"The locals blame the violence on a gang known as the Speedwell Crew | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
"or the Top Lot, who entered The World's End pub looking for trouble." | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
And they're putting shit in the paper about a gang from Speedwell, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
also known as the Top Lot. I don't know where that come from. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
I think during the initial reporting, they felt | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
they were misrepresented in the press - that it was a gang, that... | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
They were in a gang, there was a whole gang of them. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
There was nobody else here, love. Nobody! | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
Have you read The News of the World? | 0:16:35 | 0:16:36 | |
Erm, they were misrepresented. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:41 | |
Er, they didn't come in the pub looking for trouble. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
There was no fight in the pub. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
There was no fight outside. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
Now, I cannot get that retracted. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
-Is that a young man? -No. -It's not. He's not here at the moment. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
That means he's in there, or the family are viewing. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
This is Abdul Karim here. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
I've worked here five, nearly six years, and a murder would come along now and then, a murder case. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:09 | |
In the last two years, it has been horrific, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
and we're a small, small undertaker. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
I'm so sorry that you've had to lose a friend like this. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
-Are you OK, sister? -Yeah, I'm fine. -It's all right, don't worry. It's natural. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
I don't know how, if I was your age, how to cope. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
I've never experienced this. How did you know him, was he a friend, a school friend? | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
We went to school together, he lived on my estate. We saw him every day. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
-So you've known him quite a few years. -Yeah. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
But in a generation sort of thing, like, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
it's a thing that happens every day, so... it's corrupted, like. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
Maybe 20 or 30 years ago, like, it wasn't as bad as this, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
but because it's something that we see every day, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
you just get used to it, kind of - well, not used to it, but... | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
-You learn how to deal with it, I think. -Yeah, definitely. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
-How old are you guys? -16. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
Wow. So you've got the whole of your life ahead of you. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
-But you never know when it's going to go. -Yeah, definitely. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
As a Muslim, we are ready to go and thank God, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
because our religion says, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
whatever happen to you, it says, you have to thank God... | 0:19:30 | 0:19:35 | |
..because He has decided. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
And I thank God, of course, but... | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
But I still miss him so much. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
God has a good reason for all these people passing. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
I don't know what that is, I couldn't even fathom what it is. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
You have to believe, though, that everything that happens on earth is down to God's will. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
So although it's really hard, we ask you please, don't let your tears fall | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
on his coffin cloth, because that would make the washing null and void. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
And also, talk to him, because he can hear everything - but say nice things to him. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
If you're all crying and screaming and waling, he can hear that and imagine how he feels. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
Part of my religion, we are not allowed to cry a lot, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
because... | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
..we say you are hurting your child. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
He is not going to be comfortable. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
So... | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
I hope God is not going to punish me for this, but... | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
..I cry. I know it's bad for my son but I cannot help it. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
At night-time, sometimes, I wear my son's clothes and go out and walk. | 0:20:55 | 0:21:02 | |
Like I feel no-one is going to see me when I cry or scream. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
I wear his clothes every day, every single day. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
I cannot take his clothes off. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
I felt like I was blessed to know him. He wasn't a... | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
He had his head screwed on. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
Like, most boys these days, out of all of them, he was one of the good ones. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
He knew what he... He wanted something out of life. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
He wanted to go somewhere. He wanted to go places. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
Is the first time that a friend of yours has been killed? | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
No, I've had three friend killed. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
And this is the second one in my year from my school. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
HE SPEAKS ARABIC | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
One by one. Give some to somebody else, please, because that is full. That's it. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
Over here, fill up this side, please. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
-So how long you been here, Jibbs? -Me? -Yeah. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
All night. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
-All night. -All night. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
-Everyone was out all night? -Yeah. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
Yeah. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
No sleep, look at me. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
-What about you, Kamari, you out all night? -Yeah. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
What was it like? | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
Tiring. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
-Tiring? -Yeah. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
-I saw there was a tent up there - whose is the tent? -I slept in it. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
I don't know, I just woke up in it. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
I'm here every night. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
-Why's that? -Cos I should. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
If you're walking down the road and there's half a dozen, three or four or whatever... | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
-Even you would cross over! -..hoodies on that side of the road, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
you're intimidated, and that's how I would describe them. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
They're very intimidating, they know they are. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
And they love it. They love it. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
I think, erm, | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
a few of the neighbours had said that sometimes they found the group quite intimidating, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:05 | |
but I mean Shevon was always the kind of guy that if somebody was walking down the street, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
you know, and their group of friends was blocking the pavement, he would | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
always say, "Come on, guys, move out the way, you know, somebody's trying to walk past." | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
And they'd listen to him, and they'd move. So he always considered, you know, what was going on around him. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:24 | |
You got some scars, haven't you, Jibbs? | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
Yeah. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
Got scars. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:33 | |
That one. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
I got stabbed in my belly and they had to cut me open and | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
stitch up my bowels, because they punctured my bowels and that. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
And then on my back, innit. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
Hit my spinal cord and punctured like the bag, the fluid bag that goes from your spine to your brain. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:52 | |
So I couldn't sit up or nothing for week and a half. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
Couldn't move, nothing. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
They said I could be paralysed. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
Punctured my lungs, scars under my chin there. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
-What was that over? -Wrong place, wrong time. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:05 | |
What's this game, Kam? | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
Call Of Duty. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
Oh, my... | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
What's the purpose of the game? | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
Merk everyone. Oh, see. Merk them. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
-What? -Merk them. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
-Merked. -What's that? | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
Got killed. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
Ooh, merked him. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
It's just a word, innit? | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
Merk. Murdered. Killed. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
Every day, I play. That's what makes me think of Shev. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
Every day, turn that on, Shev would be on it. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
It'd say "Wilson 909", cos we used to play online. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
-And how long has it been now? -Three weeks today. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
Every Friday, man. I just think about it every Friday, innit? | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
On Monday it's his funeral, innit? | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
-Funeral? -Yeah. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
Gonna be a massive funeral. Too much people, like. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
He was so kind. People love him. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
Don't understand, man. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
Not been to a funeral of a young person? | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
No... No. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
COMPUTER GAME BLARES | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
We did go to the graveyard, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
cos I wanted to see where he was buried, so we seen it. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
Do you know that other part, not that part, the bottom part? | 0:27:04 | 0:27:09 | |
About, on the bottom row, about one, two, three, four, the fourth one, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:16 | |
this way, that was his grave. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
Mam, when Ian got killed, he got stabbed seven times. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
One on his heart, one there, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
three, four, five, six, seven. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:43 | |
How do you know that he got stabbed in those places and that many times? | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
Cos I know that somebody told me they got stabbed seven times. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
You told me that. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
I haven't told you he got stabbed seven times. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
I don't know how many times he got stabbed. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
Maya told me, when she lived next door. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
Even though we didn't know Ian at all, it worried me that he was just accepting that this was | 0:28:02 | 0:28:10 | |
a normal thing to happen, and I think because there was so much violence in the area, so many violent fights that | 0:28:10 | 0:28:17 | |
went on, and that he was aware of and that he could hear, he just thought it was just another incident. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:24 | |
When Ellie and me are asleep, we always look out the bedroom window. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:35 | |
She always does this. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:36 | |
See if there's any like naughty kids outside, isn't it, Ben? | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
To see what they're doing. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
I think if Ian had lived, I'd have been really, really glad that I'd gone out, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:52 | |
but because he died anyway at the scene, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
I wish now that I hadn't heard anything and we still sat in that front room and watched telly. | 0:28:55 | 0:29:00 | |
I always wish that. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Myself and my children were sitting in the front room of our house. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
I remember we were watching Britain's Got Talent, because its Ben's favourite. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
My sister's friend went upstairs and then she saw loads of people, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
like a big group of people, in the back alley out the window. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
So she ran down and had a look and we all followed her, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
and then my mam came out to tell us to come back in, but then someone shouted, "He's been stabbed." | 0:29:24 | 0:29:30 | |
She ran out with a tea towel and said, "Move out the way, cos I'm a nurse." | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
I can't remember anything else. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
I recognised somebody that I knew in the crowd. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
He lived over the road from me. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
And I asked him to help me to put the towel over the wound | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
and apply pressure, whilst I did CPR, because I realised at that point that he'd stopped breathing. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:51 | |
After he'd been stabbed, Ellie said he'd been took to hospital and died in hospital. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:59 | |
Fortunately, afterwards I found out that Ben had stayed in the house watching Britain's Got Talent, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:04 | |
so the first he knew of it was when I came back in the house and I was covered in blood. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:11 | |
I was just devastated when I found out how young he was. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
I can, to this day, remember his mam | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
screaming and crying. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
My mam got asked to go to court for a witness and then | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
all the teenagers on the street just started calling my mam a grass | 0:30:30 | 0:30:36 | |
for talking to the police about what she saw. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
And then they were threatening to, like, set our house on fire. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:44 | |
There've been lots of incidents where maybe 16 youths would be in my garden refusing to leave. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:53 | |
And then one day three of them came to my front gate and told me that | 0:30:53 | 0:30:59 | |
they were going to take my little boy, Ben, and basically they were going to rape him. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:06 | |
There were direct threats on many occasions about me giving evidence at court. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:13 | |
Even though I actually hadn't witnessed the murder, I had witnessed | 0:31:13 | 0:31:19 | |
things before and after of the use of weapons. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
But I knew that I couldn't give evidence and carry on | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
living there, because it was too dangerous and I was frightened. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
That one. This one that I'm standing on. When all that's moved, all this bit | 0:31:37 | 0:31:43 | |
is going to be my room. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
Do you like the new place better than the old house? | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
I miss my old house, that's the best one. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
Our stuff was in boxes for about 16 weeks and the police said they would help us. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
They got in touch with the housing association and told them that they wanted us moving within the week. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:04 | |
16 weeks later we were still there. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
So I found us somewhere to live. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
It's not an ideal flat at all, but it was better than where we were. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:15 | |
This is the toilet. And then... | 0:32:15 | 0:32:20 | |
This is the shower in here. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:24 | |
We've got the kitchen sink, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:29 | |
but then for, like, brushing our teeth and that it's in the front room. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
-There. -And that's the only sink in the house apart from the kitchen one? | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
-Yeah. -And that's in your bedroom? | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
Yeah. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:46 | |
DANCE MUSIC PLAYS | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
What's that noise? | 0:32:48 | 0:32:49 | |
Just music from people playing it upstairs. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
I've told them to shut up about a million and 164 million times. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
-Is it like that all the time? -I don't know. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
Well, it has been like all the day, mainly. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
Yeah. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:09 | |
The house is a bit backside first and...unorthodox, I suppose. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
I mean, there's no gas central heating, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
so we've got some oil-filled radiators, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:24 | |
-so we'll have heat, but it's OK, isn't it, Ellie? -Yeah. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
Yeah. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:29 | |
Just do things bit by bit. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
My mam went to court as a witness and the family that it happened to, like the boy that got murdered, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:45 | |
they were really thankful for my mum for going into court, cos she didn't have to. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
I'd never met his mum before, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
and she just gave me a hug, and so did his younger brother, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
and just said, "Thank you so much for coming and giving evidence." | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
And I just thought, yeah, it is worth it. It is. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
I just hope that somebody would do it if it was one of my children. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
So what if it was you, or you saw somebody injured in the street like that? | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
I would just automatically call an ambulance, because I wouldn't want to get | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
involved with it too much, because I've learnt from when my mum got involved with it. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:24 | |
I don't think that it clicked in straight away. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
I said, "No way can this be true." | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
And then, obviously, as time goes on and stuff, it gets more real. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
At the funeral, it got real. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
Like, seeing all your friends all suited up, it should be for a wedding, not a funeral. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
Purple, that was his favourite colour, wasn't it? | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
I used to say to him, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
like, "Why do you like purple? | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
"That's a girlie colour." But he's like, "No, that's my colour." | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
It's always been his colour. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
It was a no-win situation, really. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
If I went to the funeral, it was, "What's he doing there?" | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
You know? If I didn't go, it's, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
"Huh, couldn't give a damn. Couldn't care less," you know? | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
So why did you go? | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
To show my respect. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:43 | |
For his family. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
I've got nothing to hide. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
Got no axe to grind. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
As a kid, what do you know about Shevon? | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
Until I saw his picture in the papers, I didn't know who he was. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
He was always quite quiet. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
Very shy. And me and my sister, we used to tease him all the time. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:08 | |
I think out of his friends sometimes he was quite a positive role model, and it definitely shows that in | 0:36:09 | 0:36:15 | |
some of the tributes that they wrote once he passed away, that they looked up to him, I think. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:20 | |
I don't know, someone would say, "Oh, I've seen a car down there and the door's open, blah di blah." | 0:36:20 | 0:36:27 | |
Some of them would be like, "Yeah, come on, let's go," | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
but he would've been one of them to say, "No, I can't be bothered with that shit." | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
Just the same as me and a couple of the others. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
He was basically setting his life up good, cos he had a moped | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
and his apprenticeship that would've led to good money. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
He used to talk about it all the time, like working on the coaches, working on buses, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
and he actually liked it. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
All I got is good memories, and they'll always live with me. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
Always. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:57 | |
Like, I'll never forget the time over the park when we were playing | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
football and he said to me, "I bet you I'll volley this ball | 0:37:02 | 0:37:07 | |
"over there all the way to hit the crossbar," | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
and I said, "You're not doing that first time," | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
and he's like, "Do you wanna bet?" | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
So I flicked the ball to him, flicked up to him, and he just whacked it, and it went... Hit the crossbar. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:20 | |
I was like, "Never!" He's running round the park like, "Yeah!" | 0:37:20 | 0:37:25 | |
I was just laughing my head off. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
I was like, "You could never do that again in a million years." | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
David's the chunky one. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
-He's the one kneeling with his nappy on. -In the pool. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
He gets clobbered in a minute. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:05 | |
This is when we realised there was something wrong with David. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
He wasn't interacting like the other kids and he wouldn't necessarily talk to you. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:14 | |
He'd squeal at you. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
But different squeals meant different things to him. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
Right, you'll see his special wave now. See it? | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
Oh, bless him, look at him. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
That's when he wanted something. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:25 | |
I'd say when he started school, when he were five... | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
..that's when I really noticed it, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
cos it was a nightmare. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
At the beginning it was bad behaviour, bad parenting. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
Then they realised that it was nothing to do with that, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
it was something to do with David, so we had to go to Westcotes House and he had to be monitored. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:02 | |
And they were the ones who said autistic spectrum disorder, but they weren't sure which one it was. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:10 | |
He used to come and go, "They're calling me half a brain again, Mum." | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
They used to go like that to him. Half a brain. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
I mean, he hardly ever went out, did he? | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
I think about three times he went out. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
After the third attempt was obviously when he got killed. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
How long's it been now since David died? | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
Eight weeks yesterday. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
So it's just dragging on. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
-Dragging on? -Well, yeah, because obviously they've still not released his body. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:42 | |
First impressions I saw, it's a stabbing. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
I turned him and there was nothing there. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
I just couldn't understand it. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
Every day is a struggle for me. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
I don't sleep at night now. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
I don't sleep whatsoever. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:00 | |
I can't sleep, because all I can see is my boy on the floor. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
HE SOBS | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
I just want my boy back. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
Heidi? Have you got a second? | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
-Have you got some diazepam, please? -Yeah. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
I just wish I could turn me head off. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
You have to calm yourself down, cos you won't let your kids see you like that. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
I know. That's right. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
You'll have to go in the other room and sort yourself out. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
-Don't let the kids see you, please. -I know. I can't help it, though. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
Do you want a drink of water? | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
Please. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
'Clive, he's completely switched off.' | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
He can't cope with it at all. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
He's getting bad nightmares. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
He's getting flashbacks of what happened down there. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
He really needs to speak to someone, to be honest with you. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
Thank you. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:17 | |
How about you? | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
I don't really know what I need or what I want. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
I'm just confused, I think, with all what's going on. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
It's a new situation. You don't know what to do, do you? | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
I've never been here before. I don't know. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
So I haven't got a clue. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
All I know is these boys have been bailed. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
They've got no bail conditions set against them, so they can come and go as they please. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
-How do you feel about that? -Angry. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
So what happens now? | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
I'm waiting on the police to get back to me to see what's happening there. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
Obviously, I'm waiting for the coroner to release his body. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
So it's just a waiting game, really. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
Waiting by the phone or me door to knock, so I know some more, to be honest with you. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:08 | |
I initially got told it'd be 10 to 12 weeks before David would be released. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:16 | |
10 or 12 weeks went. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
Then I got told there needed to be another autopsy | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
and I actually had a go at the family liaison officer, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
accused her of lying to me about how long it was going to take. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
She made a few phone calls and come down to my house, and she says, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
"We can actually give you David, if you want him." | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
I'm like, "Fine, fine. When are you going to release him?" | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
She goes, "That's the thing. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:38 | |
"We can release him, but we can't release his brain." | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
And I was like, "You're having a laugh." | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
I says, "No, my son comes complete with me. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
"I'm not having him incomplete." | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
So when I finally got the phone call that they were releasing David, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
that was why it was so traumatic. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
How long had they kept him for? | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
Seven and half months. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
-Seven and a half months you've been waiting? -Yeah. Yeah. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
So, from... Yeah, seven and half now, today. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:11 | |
Were you given any reason why they kept him for so long? | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
Because of all the medical tests they needed to do. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
But why did that take so long? | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
Because, in total, he had to have three autopsies and postmortems. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:24 | |
Do you think this day will make a difference for you as a family now? | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
I think it's more accepting it. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
To be honest with you, I think it's more about accepting it's happened and he has gone, | 0:43:39 | 0:43:44 | |
because it doesn't feel real. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
Maybe this is what we need, you know, to wake us up a bit, I think. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:51 | |
Oh, my God. Look at you. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
How are you? | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
TEARFULLY: Better for seeing you. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
I'm still not coping with everyone around me, though. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
I'm afraid you're going to have to, for today. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
Will you be all right with that? | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
Yeah, that'll be fine. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
Oh...for God's sake. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
-I can't look at the car. -Take a deep breath. -I have done. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
-You'll be fine. -It's all right. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
Come on, then, Clive. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
It's the last thing he needs us to do for him. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
Right, this is Billy, David's friend. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
Would you look after him, because I'm going to put him in your car with you, OK? | 0:44:39 | 0:44:43 | |
Stay with Lyn and Bob. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
Lyn, Bob, Kirsty, Simon and Billy, | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
all in the third car. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
-What would be justice for you? -They're punished for it. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
What kind of punishment? | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
Prison. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
Anything. Just to prove that they did do it, and then I can grieve for me son, then. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:17 | |
-Because you don't think you have yet? -I haven't even started. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
It was a long, hot, warm night. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
It was quite a busy night. Then I noticed there was a few that I didn't really know. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:51 | |
We had some young people come in to play round the pool table. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
My grandad was on his perch, if you like, and he asked them for ID, | 0:45:54 | 0:45:59 | |
and because not all of them had ID, he said they couldn't come in. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:04 | |
So I said, "Well, look, it's my license, it's my pub, | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
"I don't have to let you in and I don't have to give you a reason, | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
"but I WILL give you a reason - because there's too many of you and you're too young." | 0:46:12 | 0:46:18 | |
They didn't disperse like my grandad thought they would, just move on to the next pub. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
They were hanging around outside on the street, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
and then more and more younger kids were coming along | 0:46:26 | 0:46:32 | |
and it just escalates. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
This forecourt was covered in bikes. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
They dumped their bikes here. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
There were a couple leaning against the car, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
and the chap that's been arrested | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
went over to them and said, | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
"Come on, you know, don't lean on the car. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
"What's the matter with you?" | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
I know that there was a small exchange of words outside the pub, | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
and that Shevon had been asked to move off the landlord's car in a rude way. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:03 | |
You know, can you effing move off of the car? | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
Shev has obviously said summat back. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
He might've said, "Oh, shut the fuck up. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
"You don't have to speak to me like I'm a prick," whatever he said back to him. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
So I said, "Leave it, leave it, leave it." | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
That was basically it, then. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:19 | |
That was that. He got off the car. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
About an hour later, we're all leaning back on the car, innit? | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
So then he come back out again, but this time he come like he wanted to fight, man. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:32 | |
-And then what? -And then the guy left. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
And then the guy come back. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
My man come back in black hoodie, black tracksuit bottoms, hood up | 0:47:38 | 0:47:44 | |
and a shank. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:45 | |
And approached Shevon, and we were told that he put his arm around him | 0:47:45 | 0:47:50 | |
as though he was going to whisper something in his ear, and that's when he stabbed him. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:55 | |
I rolled over, I'm like, "Shev, did he just shank you?" | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
Shev's lifted up his top, innit, looked down and he's like, "Yeah." | 0:47:59 | 0:48:04 | |
So then that's when I just went nuts, innit. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
Just picked up my bike, started running towards him. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
Chucked it in his face. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
So even if my mind was telling me, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
"No, don't go near him, he got a knife in his hand and he just stabbed your friend," | 0:48:15 | 0:48:20 | |
my body was still telling me, "Do it," so I done it, innit. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:25 | |
And then one of my brother's friends stood on his hand and disarmed him, actually. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:30 | |
And he dropped the knife, and then that's when all the rest of the men come over. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
And the next thing I know, | 0:48:34 | 0:48:36 | |
my grandson comes running in from the front room, "Nan, Nan, quick! | 0:48:36 | 0:48:40 | |
"All hell's broke loose outside." | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
Because I'm a member of St John Ambulance, it all just kicked in. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:48 | |
At first I was only aware of one person who'd been injured, so that's who I ran to. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:54 | |
And by the time my Sam got to him, they were still beating him up. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
This kid was stood above me screaming, "Let the bastard die," | 0:48:58 | 0:49:05 | |
with this breeze block in his hands, | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
going to chuck it down on his head. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
I honestly thought that breeze block was going to come down on his head there and then. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
I think it was Jamie, he was still hitting the guy and stuff | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
when the police pulled up, jumped out of the car and ran over to him. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
He didn't care, basically, what happened that night. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
He just wanted to hurt the guy. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
What would you do if your friend passed away in front of your eyes, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:31 | |
and you see the man walking up the road like he hadn't done nothing? | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
You were arrested for...? | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
Basically wounding with intent on the other man, on the man who stabbed Shev. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:43 | |
Cos we stopped him. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:44 | |
I then got called over by my grandad to say there was another casualty. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:50 | |
I could see that one person was on the floor. As I know now, it was Shevon. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
My Sam went running over to him. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
A lot of people were shouting, "He's been stabbed, he's been stabbed." | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
This young girl was holding him and crying, and I said, | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
"I'm a first-aider, let me have a look, see what's happening." | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
You could see there was blood coming from his shirt, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
and it was coming out pink and frothy, which meant a puncture to the lung. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:16 | |
As I tried to pull him around from sitting up onto the floor | 0:50:16 | 0:50:21 | |
to start chest compressions, cos he wasn't breathing, | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
it was a bit traumatic for everyone. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
I don't think people knew what I was trying to do. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
They thought I was trying to maybe hurt him again. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
And they were screaming at him. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
They were screaming, "Leave him alone. Leave him alone." | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
So I think that's why I was pushed away and people were getting violent with me. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:42 | |
Some guy had come out to help our mate, who was wounded, yeah, | 0:50:42 | 0:50:47 | |
cos he knew first aid, but he said that we wouldn't let him get to the boy, cos we were going so mad. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:54 | |
We told him, if you come near him... | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
If that was the case, why was everyone screaming? | 0:50:56 | 0:51:01 | |
They didn't run to Shev, they ran to him, innit. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
So I returned over to the other gentleman. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
I didn't realise who it was until I cleared up some of the blood, | 0:51:06 | 0:51:11 | |
and I was a bit in shock when I realised it was somebody I knew. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
He says, "Nan, it's Sam." | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
He says, "Action Man." | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
Right? And I says, "No, what's he doing here?" | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
Cos I'd seen him go home. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
I remember the press saying something about a Facebook row leading to gang violence. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:50 | |
And I just thought, gang violence? | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
Hello! This was a one-on-one thing. In fact, it wasn't even one-on-one. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
It was just someone decided to take a life. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
This is Salum's video. He was dancing. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:10 | |
Salum was born in Tanzania. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
His mum also, obviously. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
And eventually she'd gone back to Tanzania and he just wanted to stay. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:24 | |
People come into your life for a reason, | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
and in this case, he came into our life | 0:53:28 | 0:53:32 | |
because he needed a family, so we were his family - that's it. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:38 | |
He was very serious about where his life was going to go, | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
in terms of a career and his education and stuff like that, | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
so he was aware that he'd have more of a chance, more opportunities... | 0:53:50 | 0:53:56 | |
-Over here. -..in this country, than in Tanzania. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
There was a lot of friends that Salum did have, anyway, | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
but he had about four or five boys that he was so close with, you know, | 0:54:06 | 0:54:12 | |
and I know that this boy was one of them. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
When I see him today, I'm going to be thinking, | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
how can you say you're not guilty? | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
Number one, you said you was. Number two, everybody knows you done it. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:33 | |
You didn't do it in secret. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
You done it in front of people, you know? | 0:54:35 | 0:54:38 | |
Now you want to say that you didn't murder him? | 0:54:38 | 0:54:40 | |
So they're going to try and say it's manslaughter. It's murder. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
It's murder, through and through. It's murder. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
It's cold-blooded killing. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
Oh, I feel sick, honestly. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
My stomach's turning. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
Me, personally, I think the judge should give him to me, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
because if I've got him, I know exactly what I'll do. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
I'd probably put him in a chair, tie him up like I saw on that film, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
stick two metal rods in his legs and hook him up to the electricity, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
and every now and then, I'd switch my light on and off. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
That's what I'd probably do to him. Honestly. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
You've never been in court before? | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
This is probably the highest court in the land. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:24 | |
The important thing is that | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
the young man that murdered your child will be in court, as well. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
He'll be standing there. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
What you mustn't do is to try and show any emotions. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:37 | |
-OK. -If you get tearful, then, please, you must leave, | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
because that might influence the jury, in some respect. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
-Do you understand? -I do. -I can see you getting upset now. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
-Sorry. -Don't worry. -Sorry. -It's OK. -It's OK, it's understandable. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:52 | |
I know it's going to be very difficult for you, but Enrica's here to support you. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:56 | |
I'm here to support you. That's what my job is to do. OK? | 0:55:56 | 0:56:02 | |
This boy had made a comment to Salum and, you know, it wasn't nice. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:10 | |
He was really acting like he was some big, big man. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
Tough, and, you know, like he's some gangster, | 0:56:14 | 0:56:18 | |
and Salum just answered him with, like, one word, | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
like, just called him a pussy. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:23 | |
These young boys, you call them a word like that, | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
you know, they take it to such great offence. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
It's just like, "It's the worst thing you could ever say to me." | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
It got to him so much that he looked at his friend, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:40 | |
turned around and then he hugged him and then pushed the knife in. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:47 | |
He made a statement saying Salum was his friend, his closest friend, | 0:56:53 | 0:56:58 | |
and he thought Salum was going to stab him. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:02 | |
So, Salum was looking at him dodgy. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
Because Salum was looking at him dodgy, | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
he's decided to take out a knife and killed him first with a knife. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:13 | |
And he's sorry. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
And he loved him. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
Oh, my gosh. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
-So he says. -I'm sorry. -So he says. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
There's a lot of smiling going on between him and his family, | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
so, yeah, that pisses me off. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
It's like none of them actually care. That's what's really making me angry. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:34 | |
I know that's their family in that dock, | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
I understand that his mum loves him, no matter what, but... | 0:57:37 | 0:57:43 | |
..we ain't got Salum any more. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
Do you know what I mean? | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
I remember seeing the tent where his body was | 0:57:51 | 0:57:57 | |
and it was just...it was quiet. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
The light from the DLR station, for some reason it just seemed... the place seemed orange. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:08 | |
And just saying to myself, 12 hours ago he was alive. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:18 | |
Today...I happen to know | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
that it's been, what, 246 days. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:27 | |
I always count. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:28 | |
He went down. | 0:58:34 | 0:58:36 | |
He's going down. Murder. | 0:58:36 | 0:58:39 | |
He got convicted of murder. | 0:58:39 | 0:58:41 | |
So I'm crying cos I'm happy. | 0:58:41 | 0:58:43 | |
THEY CHEER | 0:58:43 | 0:58:46 | |
My sister! | 0:58:46 | 0:58:47 | |
Oh, my God, I'm so happy. | 0:58:51 | 0:58:54 | |
Are you happy, babe? | 0:58:54 | 0:58:57 | |
-Go on, man, talk. -I'm so happy. -I'm happy. -Too happy. | 0:58:57 | 0:59:02 | |
At least the world knows now he's guilty of murder. | 0:59:02 | 0:59:05 | |
He's actually a murderer. He is officially a murderer. | 0:59:05 | 0:59:09 | |
-Mwah! -Mwah! | 0:59:09 | 0:59:11 | |
ALL: Mwah! | 0:59:11 | 0:59:13 | |
He'll come out of prison one day, eventually, | 0:59:15 | 0:59:18 | |
and if he goes for a job, on that application form, | 0:59:18 | 0:59:23 | |
it's going to ask him, have you ever been convicted? | 0:59:23 | 0:59:26 | |
He has to say yes. | 0:59:26 | 0:59:28 | |
When they ask him, "What was you convicted of?", he has to say murder. | 0:59:28 | 0:59:32 | |
He can't even say, "Oh, it was just a little something." | 0:59:32 | 0:59:35 | |
It's murder. He took a life. | 0:59:35 | 0:59:37 | |
You know, wherever he goes, his name is tarnished. | 0:59:37 | 0:59:41 | |
There's the van. | 0:59:43 | 0:59:44 | |
He's going. He's going. Look. | 0:59:44 | 0:59:46 | |
Stupid boy is going. Prison now. | 0:59:46 | 0:59:50 | |
THEY CHEER | 0:59:52 | 0:59:54 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:59:54 | 0:59:56 | |
In other news, police in Bristol are continuing to question | 1:00:08 | 1:00:12 | |
a 23-year-old man on suspicion of the murder of a teenage boy. | 1:00:12 | 1:00:15 | |
Shevon Wilson was stabbed in the chest during a fight... | 1:00:15 | 1:00:20 | |
How old is he? 23, 24? | 1:00:32 | 1:00:34 | |
How long have we known him? | 1:00:34 | 1:00:36 | |
21 years. | 1:00:36 | 1:00:38 | |
Since he was a little two-year-old. | 1:00:38 | 1:00:40 | |
Coming in with his dad and the dogs. | 1:00:40 | 1:00:42 | |
We've been told by people that knew of him that he kept himself to himself. | 1:00:42 | 1:00:48 | |
That he was a bit of a loner and that he kept ferrets and that he enjoyed hunting with his ferrets. | 1:00:48 | 1:00:53 | |
He loved his ferrets. | 1:00:53 | 1:00:55 | |
The first thing he would have done when he got home was gone and fed and watered his ferrets. | 1:00:55 | 1:01:00 | |
I was just looking at him, like, who is he? | 1:01:00 | 1:01:03 | |
Like, really, no-one knows him. | 1:01:03 | 1:01:05 | |
He'd go hunting, shooting, fishing. | 1:01:05 | 1:01:07 | |
Go out on Dartmoor, Exmoor. | 1:01:07 | 1:01:10 | |
Go for a week camping. | 1:01:10 | 1:01:12 | |
I've heard he's lived round by that pub area for many years, | 1:01:12 | 1:01:18 | |
but, to be honest, I've never heard of this guy before. Never saw him. | 1:01:18 | 1:01:23 | |
He quite often used to wear a camouflage T-shirt, | 1:01:23 | 1:01:27 | |
and very close-cropped hair. | 1:01:27 | 1:01:29 | |
Very smart. Very clean. | 1:01:29 | 1:01:32 | |
And he was like that. | 1:01:32 | 1:01:34 | |
And the kids nicknamed him Action Man. | 1:01:36 | 1:01:39 | |
Little Action Man, cos he's only small, anyway. | 1:01:39 | 1:01:42 | |
It made me so proud of Steven, when I see all them people turn up for Steven. | 1:02:11 | 1:02:16 | |
Yeah. And in the paper, it said it was the biggest funeral that Newham's ever seen, | 1:02:16 | 1:02:23 | |
and I just think that all these people came for my boy. | 1:02:23 | 1:02:26 | |
That shows how special he was. | 1:02:26 | 1:02:28 | |
# Amazing Grace | 1:02:30 | 1:02:34 | |
# How sweet the sound | 1:02:34 | 1:02:39 | |
# That saved a wretch like me... # | 1:02:39 | 1:02:47 | |
That's when he was little, when he was a baby, | 1:02:47 | 1:02:51 | |
and then he was about four there, at a little park thing. | 1:02:51 | 1:02:56 | |
# I once was lost | 1:02:56 | 1:02:59 | |
# But now am found | 1:02:59 | 1:03:04 | |
# Was blind, but now I see... # | 1:03:04 | 1:03:11 | |
He's seven and she must be eight, and he must four, five, | 1:03:11 | 1:03:17 | |
and this was... He was 13 here. | 1:03:17 | 1:03:20 | |
This is when he was in with me in Ilford. | 1:03:20 | 1:03:23 | |
That was the last picture we had taken of him. | 1:03:23 | 1:03:26 | |
# T'was grace that brought me thus far | 1:03:26 | 1:03:34 | |
# And grace will carry me home. # | 1:03:34 | 1:03:40 | |
What was Steven's situation at the time that he was stabbed? | 1:03:42 | 1:03:46 | |
His situation? | 1:03:48 | 1:03:49 | |
He was on a supervision order, which had two weeks. | 1:03:51 | 1:03:55 | |
It finished when he was 16. | 1:03:55 | 1:03:57 | |
And he was coming back to live with me in my house in Ilford. | 1:03:57 | 1:04:01 | |
He was, like, beginning to realise that getting into trouble weren't the way, | 1:04:01 | 1:04:05 | |
and he was knuckling down and behaving himself. | 1:04:05 | 1:04:09 | |
But he never had a chance. | 1:04:10 | 1:04:13 | |
He never had a chance to, you know, to get where he was going, because of them boys. | 1:04:13 | 1:04:19 | |
I remember when I was younger. I knew all my friends was going somewhere and I weren't allowed to go, | 1:04:23 | 1:04:28 | |
I sneaked out my window and gone. | 1:04:28 | 1:04:29 | |
You know, everybody is going to be there, and that's why Steven went. | 1:04:29 | 1:04:33 | |
The party that Steven went to was an awareness on knife and gun crime, | 1:04:40 | 1:04:45 | |
and the impact it has on people's lives. | 1:04:45 | 1:04:50 | |
Not just the people that do it, or the victims, but their families, | 1:04:50 | 1:04:55 | |
and they found 23 knives in that one night. | 1:04:55 | 1:04:59 | |
23. | 1:05:02 | 1:05:05 | |
And who goes to an event on awareness on knife crime and carries knives? | 1:05:05 | 1:05:11 | |
My boy never stood a chance against them boys. | 1:05:16 | 1:05:18 | |
There was about 25, 30 boys around him. | 1:05:18 | 1:05:22 | |
I try not to think about that, to tell you the truth, because... | 1:05:22 | 1:05:26 | |
that makes me think what his last couple of minutes... What was he going through? | 1:05:26 | 1:05:32 | |
So scared. | 1:05:35 | 1:05:37 | |
This is Steven's property. | 1:05:43 | 1:05:46 | |
There is a chain here that's very important to Sharon, and it's his property that was with him | 1:05:46 | 1:05:51 | |
on the night, and it's getting returned to Sharon today at the conclusion of this trial. | 1:05:51 | 1:05:57 | |
Hello, Sharon. It's Andy. | 1:05:57 | 1:05:58 | |
Where are you? | 1:05:58 | 1:06:01 | |
All right, then. Coming now. | 1:06:01 | 1:06:03 | |
I'm going to go and meet my liaison officer. | 1:06:03 | 1:06:06 | |
-Are they over there for us? -No. | 1:06:09 | 1:06:11 | |
Probably not. Who cares about a 15-year-old black boy being killed? | 1:06:11 | 1:06:16 | |
Nobody cares, really. Apart from their family. | 1:06:16 | 1:06:19 | |
To other people, it's nothing, it's just a couple of photos | 1:06:21 | 1:06:24 | |
and a phone, and, you know, but to me, | 1:06:26 | 1:06:29 | |
it's Steven. You know, it's the last things he had on him. | 1:06:29 | 1:06:33 | |
-Photo ID. -I want them. -You want that? Of course you do. | 1:06:35 | 1:06:39 | |
-Set of headphones, do you want that? -Yeah. Yeah. | 1:06:41 | 1:06:45 | |
Can we see that? Is that mine, yeah? | 1:06:46 | 1:06:48 | |
Because of the treatment of the clothing Steven had on, we keep that and we dispose of that. | 1:06:50 | 1:06:55 | |
All right? | 1:06:55 | 1:06:56 | |
As it says here, it was bloodstained, | 1:06:57 | 1:07:01 | |
so we've tried to obviously... | 1:07:01 | 1:07:03 | |
deal with it as best we can. | 1:07:03 | 1:07:05 | |
Peter is saying he bought it for Steven. | 1:07:05 | 1:07:08 | |
You're saying it's Steven's, but it's going to trial, isn't it, so I don't want any issues with you lot. | 1:07:08 | 1:07:13 | |
I got him that chain for his birthday, so I wanted to | 1:07:13 | 1:07:17 | |
give that chain to my other son, to Steven's little brother, Troy. | 1:07:17 | 1:07:21 | |
So the police, they cleaned it up for me, | 1:07:21 | 1:07:24 | |
and Steven was so pleased with that chain. He really was happy with it, | 1:07:24 | 1:07:29 | |
and I wanted to give it to Troy. | 1:07:29 | 1:07:31 | |
I know Troy will look after it. | 1:07:31 | 1:07:34 | |
Right, if you could sign there to say you've had that property back. | 1:07:34 | 1:07:39 | |
All right? And that's your property. | 1:07:39 | 1:07:42 | |
To think, you know, for 16 years, you got this little boy | 1:07:43 | 1:07:48 | |
and, you know...and there's nothing to show for it, really, is there? | 1:07:48 | 1:07:53 | |
There's nothing to show. | 1:07:53 | 1:07:55 | |
This is Shev's room. | 1:08:10 | 1:08:12 | |
And as you can see, for a boy, he kept it quite immaculate, I think. | 1:08:16 | 1:08:22 | |
He welded this | 1:08:24 | 1:08:26 | |
when he was doing his apprenticeship at the car garage. | 1:08:26 | 1:08:31 | |
And he done a really good job of it, so they mounted it on a piece of wood and gave it to him. | 1:08:31 | 1:08:36 | |
So he was quite proud of that, so we've kept it up there in the windowsill. | 1:08:36 | 1:08:42 | |
There's some photos in here. | 1:08:43 | 1:08:45 | |
That was us, actually, when we were younger. | 1:08:47 | 1:08:50 | |
That's me, Shevon and Deana. | 1:08:50 | 1:08:53 | |
So you've not looked through these since? | 1:08:53 | 1:08:56 | |
No, I haven't, actually. | 1:08:56 | 1:08:59 | |
There's his Primark badge, | 1:08:59 | 1:09:01 | |
when he had his weekend job at Primark. | 1:09:01 | 1:09:05 | |
-Bless him. -This is all Shev's stuff when he was younger. | 1:09:05 | 1:09:09 | |
Oh, let me see, there's toys from the Early Learning Centre, that was all his little things, toys and that. | 1:09:09 | 1:09:15 | |
And the bus. | 1:09:19 | 1:09:20 | |
This is a few of his Action Men. | 1:09:23 | 1:09:24 | |
There is some more, but Kamara got them over his house. | 1:09:24 | 1:09:28 | |
His Action Men, cos he got one that used to swim in the water, and there was one that was riding a bike. | 1:09:28 | 1:09:36 | |
How is your mum? | 1:09:36 | 1:09:39 | |
Um... | 1:09:39 | 1:09:42 | |
She's getting better, but I think it'll take time. | 1:09:42 | 1:09:45 | |
A lot of her grieving is coming out now. | 1:09:45 | 1:09:47 | |
She's starting to grieve more now. | 1:09:47 | 1:09:49 | |
And how are you today? | 1:09:50 | 1:09:52 | |
Well... | 1:09:54 | 1:09:55 | |
Quite empty, really. | 1:09:57 | 1:10:00 | |
Yeah. | 1:10:00 | 1:10:01 | |
I just... | 1:10:01 | 1:10:04 | |
In limbo, really. | 1:10:04 | 1:10:06 | |
I just walk in and out. Just do what I got to do. | 1:10:06 | 1:10:10 | |
It just seems... | 1:10:10 | 1:10:11 | |
Like when I look at photographs of Shevon and things like that, | 1:10:13 | 1:10:18 | |
I look at him and say, "That's Shevon, that's my son." But I got no feeling. | 1:10:18 | 1:10:22 | |
Because I got a feeling I don't think I've accepted Shevon's death, really. | 1:10:22 | 1:10:27 | |
Because... | 1:10:28 | 1:10:30 | |
..I just can't let go of what happened that night. | 1:10:31 | 1:10:34 | |
I keep going over and over it, and I just keep going over the way his life was taken. | 1:10:35 | 1:10:40 | |
The way it was taken and... | 1:10:41 | 1:10:45 | |
The horrific way that somebody ended his life like that, by sticking that knife in his heart, | 1:10:45 | 1:10:50 | |
because the heart, to me, got more meaning than just an organ that keeps us alive. | 1:10:50 | 1:10:55 | |
I think the heart is like the centre of everything within us. | 1:10:55 | 1:10:59 | |
I think I take his pain sometimes, just as though, like the knife's gone in me. | 1:11:01 | 1:11:06 | |
And I feel in a situation where, | 1:11:06 | 1:11:09 | |
when you're a mum, | 1:11:09 | 1:11:11 | |
if your children are growing up, you can fix things if they fall down, but I can't fix nothing here. | 1:11:11 | 1:11:17 | |
I can't fix what happened to Shevon. | 1:11:17 | 1:11:19 | |
I can't fix this, and whatever way I think, I just can't bring him back. | 1:11:19 | 1:11:25 | |
And he's never going to come back. | 1:11:25 | 1:11:27 | |
I just get nightmares. | 1:11:31 | 1:11:32 | |
I just get nightmares of my son's body drowning of blood | 1:11:32 | 1:11:37 | |
outside that horrible pub. | 1:11:37 | 1:11:41 | |
He shouldn't have died at all, but I would have much preferred | 1:11:41 | 1:11:44 | |
that all his blood was over the hospital floor. | 1:11:44 | 1:11:48 | |
And that he died in hospital and not out there in front of all those horrible people. | 1:11:48 | 1:11:53 | |
And what I got a problem with at the moment, as well, what haunts me, is the grave. Every time I go there, | 1:11:57 | 1:12:03 | |
I know Shevon's in there, you know, and I had this beautiful boy, | 1:12:03 | 1:12:08 | |
and I just can't help how much his body has decayed, like, now. | 1:12:08 | 1:12:14 | |
But I don't get that sense of feeling when I'm at the bench. | 1:12:14 | 1:12:18 | |
So lately, I just haven't been anywhere. | 1:12:18 | 1:12:20 | |
I haven't really been to the bench or the grave that much. | 1:12:20 | 1:12:23 | |
I love this picture of him. | 1:13:18 | 1:13:20 | |
He looks so innocent. See, football. | 1:13:20 | 1:13:22 | |
Everything has to have a football on it for him. | 1:13:22 | 1:13:26 | |
This was the first thing, when I got my flat, that I put up. | 1:13:26 | 1:13:29 | |
Right here. | 1:13:29 | 1:13:32 | |
Go to bed, I can see him, | 1:13:32 | 1:13:34 | |
and then when I'm here, it's like he's looking directly at me. | 1:13:34 | 1:13:38 | |
See, they're looking down, and then when I go over here, | 1:13:38 | 1:13:43 | |
they come out. | 1:13:43 | 1:13:45 | |
See, that's why I have to have him there. | 1:13:45 | 1:13:47 | |
-They follow you round the room? -Yeah. | 1:13:47 | 1:13:50 | |
He would come to the house and he would measure up to me. | 1:13:50 | 1:13:53 | |
Yeah, about here. Yeah, and before he was like, "Jams, you all right?" | 1:13:53 | 1:13:57 | |
and he used to hate it because we used to call him Small Jamzy. | 1:13:57 | 1:14:00 | |
And, oh, my God, he was growing. | 1:14:00 | 1:14:03 | |
Everyone says to him, Jamzy, you're growing. You're getting tall, Jamzy. | 1:14:03 | 1:14:07 | |
And he's like, "Yeah, I'm growing." | 1:14:07 | 1:14:10 | |
And now soon as he was growing, they just took him. | 1:14:10 | 1:14:14 | |
Stupid boy just took you, Jamzy, from us. | 1:14:14 | 1:14:18 | |
HE SINGS | 1:14:27 | 1:14:31 | |
At one point, I was just so angry with God, because I don't understand why my brother had to die. | 1:14:36 | 1:14:41 | |
He's got his whole life ahead of him, and he was actually parting the fight. | 1:14:41 | 1:14:46 | |
He was helping somebody, so why did he die? | 1:14:46 | 1:14:50 | |
Even if he got stabbed, why did it have to be so...so fatal? | 1:14:50 | 1:14:57 | |
Why couldn't it have been just like, I don't know, a little slice, | 1:14:57 | 1:15:01 | |
and he could get a couple of stitches and then...or he could be in hospital for a couple of weeks, | 1:15:01 | 1:15:05 | |
or even if God was going to let him die, why not wait for us to get to him to say bye? | 1:15:05 | 1:15:10 | |
Why someone like Jamzy had to die like that, I don't understand it. | 1:15:10 | 1:15:15 | |
Good morning, people. | 1:15:32 | 1:15:34 | |
Jams was my brother. | 1:15:34 | 1:15:37 | |
I can see a lot of you kids, or as they like to be called, | 1:15:37 | 1:15:42 | |
a lot of you youngers, are into a lot of things that you shouldn't be, | 1:15:42 | 1:15:48 | |
but not my brother. | 1:15:48 | 1:15:50 | |
Football gets played by most kids until a certain age, | 1:15:50 | 1:15:55 | |
but when you get older you have to give up unless you are good, so most kids give up on your dreams. | 1:15:55 | 1:16:03 | |
But not Jahmal. Not my brother. | 1:16:03 | 1:16:05 | |
Lastly, to the kids, | 1:16:17 | 1:16:19 | |
please stop the war. | 1:16:19 | 1:16:21 | |
Leave the knives alone. | 1:16:21 | 1:16:23 | |
Please, if not for yourself, if not for me, do it for my brother. | 1:16:23 | 1:16:28 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:16:29 | 1:16:31 | |
Sickening just thinking about it. It's just sickening. | 1:16:37 | 1:16:40 | |
Two seconds away from death, he must have known he was going to die, | 1:16:40 | 1:16:44 | |
and then no-one, not me, not my dad, not his mum, no faces that he knows, and he was screaming for my dad. | 1:16:44 | 1:16:51 | |
He said, "I want my dad, I want my dad!" | 1:16:51 | 1:16:54 | |
Every time I hold my neck I just think, "Oh, my God." | 1:16:54 | 1:16:59 | |
It's so...such a vicious way to die. | 1:16:59 | 1:17:03 | |
My dad just thinks his child just died like an animal. | 1:17:03 | 1:17:07 | |
He just died like an animal on the floor. | 1:17:07 | 1:17:11 | |
We are gathered here to weep over the death of yet another young child. | 1:17:11 | 1:17:18 | |
I don't know about you, but I am frustrated. | 1:17:18 | 1:17:21 | |
When will we cease standing here | 1:17:23 | 1:17:26 | |
with a young person who should not be in a coffin there? | 1:17:26 | 1:17:32 | |
Roy will tell you. | 1:17:32 | 1:17:34 | |
Sandra will tell you. It's unnatural. | 1:17:34 | 1:17:36 | |
I read the tribute from Roy. He said "Nobody knows, but God, how I feel. | 1:17:36 | 1:17:42 | |
"I never thought I would be burying my son." | 1:17:42 | 1:17:46 | |
It is unnatural for parents to bury their children. | 1:17:46 | 1:17:49 | |
Let me tell you something. | 1:17:52 | 1:17:54 | |
The power of change lies in the hands of the community. | 1:17:54 | 1:17:59 | |
It lies in the hands of the people. | 1:17:59 | 1:18:01 | |
Not the politicians. | 1:18:01 | 1:18:03 | |
No-one else, but us. | 1:18:06 | 1:18:07 | |
There is a disproportionate amount of black youth dying on the street and I am tired of it. | 1:18:08 | 1:18:14 | |
My brothers and sisters, our funeral for Jahmal is drawing to a close. | 1:18:20 | 1:18:25 | |
In a few moments' time, each and every one of us | 1:18:25 | 1:18:28 | |
will have the opportunity to come and file past the coffin, | 1:18:28 | 1:18:33 | |
and, friends, these are precious, precious moments. | 1:18:33 | 1:18:36 | |
SCREAMING | 1:18:38 | 1:18:41 | |
When the coffin was opened, we heard an absolute shriek. | 1:18:47 | 1:18:51 | |
It was at that moment, really, where | 1:18:51 | 1:18:54 | |
effectively, the boundaries somehow went. | 1:18:54 | 1:18:58 | |
But there was a real sense of kind of mania outside. | 1:19:04 | 1:19:07 | |
It was a real manic experience. | 1:19:07 | 1:19:09 | |
The first I heard of it was when we were processing the coffin out and my colleague, | 1:19:09 | 1:19:12 | |
Father David, said, you know, "Stop the procession, there's a fight going on." | 1:19:12 | 1:19:16 | |
Get the kids away from here, man! | 1:19:22 | 1:19:24 | |
Take your beef somewhere else. | 1:19:24 | 1:19:26 | |
I'm not asking you. I'm telling you. Roll out. | 1:19:26 | 1:19:29 | |
I was told that it's because there were some boys from E8, | 1:19:29 | 1:19:33 | |
that apparently that shouldn't have been where we were, and where we was E9, | 1:19:33 | 1:19:38 | |
and they're from E8 and it's literally like, E8 and E9 is, literally, the same place, | 1:19:38 | 1:19:44 | |
and they was told not to come over there, and they came over there, | 1:19:44 | 1:19:47 | |
so they wanted them to go back where they came from. | 1:19:47 | 1:19:50 | |
These were boys who weren't there for the funeral? | 1:19:50 | 1:19:53 | |
No, they was boys that weren't there for the funeral, came to fight the boys that was at the funeral. | 1:19:53 | 1:19:58 | |
Isn't that sick? | 1:19:58 | 1:20:00 | |
It kind of beggars belief. It really does. | 1:20:03 | 1:20:06 | |
I find it so difficult to get my head around this, too. | 1:20:06 | 1:20:10 | |
At one level, there is this talk of respect and, you know, | 1:20:10 | 1:20:14 | |
don't disrespect me and all this sort of stuff, | 1:20:14 | 1:20:18 | |
and at the same time, showing such a complete and utter lack of respect for a family who are grieving, | 1:20:18 | 1:20:25 | |
for a community which is hurting, for close friends whose hearts are crying out in pain, and I just, you know, | 1:20:25 | 1:20:32 | |
I just don't understand it. | 1:20:32 | 1:20:34 | |
AGGRESSIVE SHOUTING | 1:20:49 | 1:20:52 | |
Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! | 1:20:52 | 1:20:55 | |
The day that I went to court, it was just an awful experience. | 1:21:37 | 1:21:42 | |
It was, you know, you feel really angry, | 1:21:42 | 1:21:45 | |
and it's hard to remain dignified in a courtroom when you're, kind of, | 1:21:45 | 1:21:50 | |
a few metres away from your brother's murderer. | 1:21:50 | 1:21:54 | |
The victim's mother leaving court, still traumatised by her son's murder, | 1:21:54 | 1:21:59 | |
but after his killer's sentencing, she mustered the strength to talk to reporters. | 1:21:59 | 1:22:05 | |
Nothing in the world will bring back my son, | 1:22:05 | 1:22:08 | |
but the conviction of the person responsible for ending his life | 1:22:08 | 1:22:11 | |
may give us a feeling of justice, for all our sakes. | 1:22:11 | 1:22:14 | |
Shevon Wilson was stabbed outside this pub | 1:22:14 | 1:22:17 | |
in St George last September. | 1:22:17 | 1:22:19 | |
He'd had an argument with 23-year-old Sam Lengfeld, | 1:22:19 | 1:22:22 | |
who went home, put on a hoodie and picked up a kitchen knife, | 1:22:22 | 1:22:26 | |
then returned to the pub, where he stabbed Wilson through the heart. | 1:22:26 | 1:22:30 | |
The judge said it was a "cold, callous and calculated murder", | 1:22:30 | 1:22:34 | |
ordering that Lengfeld must serve at least 17 years. | 1:22:34 | 1:22:38 | |
He didn't say anything the whole time in court. | 1:22:38 | 1:22:41 | |
Just that he pleaded guilty. | 1:22:41 | 1:22:43 | |
That was it. | 1:22:43 | 1:22:45 | |
-Did he look at you? -No. | 1:22:45 | 1:22:47 | |
He didn't look at any of us. | 1:22:47 | 1:22:49 | |
I'm absolutely stunned and numb at what he did, | 1:22:49 | 1:22:54 | |
and I would love to know why he did it. | 1:22:54 | 1:22:57 | |
Even if he has got an answer for why, it'll never be good enough. | 1:22:57 | 1:23:02 | |
The only way I can see it getting even.... | 1:23:02 | 1:23:05 | |
..is if...he was dead, | 1:23:06 | 1:23:10 | |
or someone he knows, someone he was close to, anyway. | 1:23:10 | 1:23:15 | |
Just that's how I feel about it, innit? | 1:23:15 | 1:23:17 | |
I don't reckon he knows the level of pain he's caused so many people. | 1:23:19 | 1:23:25 | |
How long did he get? | 1:23:25 | 1:23:27 | |
17 years. | 1:23:27 | 1:23:28 | |
What do you think about that? | 1:23:29 | 1:23:31 | |
Numb. You know. | 1:23:31 | 1:23:35 | |
That a young man is locked up for 17 years, and one is dead. | 1:23:35 | 1:23:39 | |
And another two are looking five to seven years for what they did. | 1:23:42 | 1:23:46 | |
In a way, I don't really care, | 1:23:54 | 1:23:57 | |
because, like... | 1:23:57 | 1:23:59 | |
nothing can really get worse than what it is right about now. | 1:23:59 | 1:24:03 | |
But... I do care because, obviously, I don't want to go to prison for | 1:24:03 | 1:24:08 | |
a long time, for just basically defending myself and my friends. | 1:24:08 | 1:24:15 | |
You know what I'm saying? | 1:24:15 | 1:24:16 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, can I have your attention? | 1:24:29 | 1:24:32 | |
I dedicate this song to my daughter, who was, you know, murdered by a nice human being. | 1:24:32 | 1:24:40 | |
And I'm going to sing this song from my heart. | 1:24:40 | 1:24:43 | |
Here I go. | 1:24:45 | 1:24:46 | |
Elvis is in the building. | 1:24:48 | 1:24:50 | |
Thank you very much. | 1:24:50 | 1:24:52 | |
That's Jessica there. | 1:24:52 | 1:24:55 | |
That's Lisa. Natalie. | 1:24:55 | 1:24:57 | |
Anne Marie. | 1:24:57 | 1:24:59 | |
Ashleigh and Marion. | 1:24:59 | 1:25:01 | |
My five daughters. | 1:25:01 | 1:25:03 | |
That's a bit of handful, Garry. | 1:25:03 | 1:25:05 | |
Especially when you wanted a bath or a shower. They were in there before me. | 1:25:05 | 1:25:09 | |
What's going on with your hair there, Garry? | 1:25:09 | 1:25:12 | |
Well, I'm an Elvis Presley fan. | 1:25:12 | 1:25:13 | |
And what about Jessica? Was she an Elvis fan? | 1:25:13 | 1:25:16 | |
She always listened to me playing him. | 1:25:16 | 1:25:18 | |
She used to watch me doing the moves. | 1:25:18 | 1:25:21 | |
Sometimes I'd go like that. "Thank you very much." | 1:25:21 | 1:25:25 | |
I always wanted a wee boy, but then a seven-year gap. | 1:25:28 | 1:25:33 | |
I had a seven-year gap and we decided to try again, | 1:25:33 | 1:25:37 | |
and, behold, Jessica. | 1:25:37 | 1:25:39 | |
You'd always see them together, as a pair. | 1:25:52 | 1:25:56 | |
It was always Jessica and Stuart. It wasn't just, like, Jessica or Stuart. It was Jessica and Stuart. | 1:25:56 | 1:26:02 | |
-They were kind of inseparable? -Yeah. -Yeah. | 1:26:02 | 1:26:06 | |
But then sometimes from standing back as Jessica's friend, | 1:26:06 | 1:26:09 | |
you thought the arguments were going a bit too far | 1:26:09 | 1:26:12 | |
and you could see it wasn't making her happy. Like, towards the end, | 1:26:12 | 1:26:16 | |
she was always arguing. | 1:26:16 | 1:26:17 | |
And what kind of stuff did they argue over? | 1:26:17 | 1:26:21 | |
Everything. | 1:26:21 | 1:26:23 | |
I don't know. | 1:26:23 | 1:26:25 | |
She loved him. | 1:26:25 | 1:26:27 | |
She did. Well, she told everybody she loved him, so... | 1:26:27 | 1:26:31 | |
Love's blind, as they say, isn't it? | 1:26:33 | 1:26:36 | |
On the night that it happened, Stuart went round to my mum and dad's house, 3.45am in the morning, | 1:26:39 | 1:26:46 | |
banging on the door. | 1:26:46 | 1:26:47 | |
My mum answered the door. | 1:26:47 | 1:26:50 | |
My mum said he was sitting on the floor shaking, and my mum said to him, "What's wrong? | 1:26:50 | 1:26:56 | |
"Where's Jessica?" | 1:26:56 | 1:26:58 | |
And he just said, "Jessica's dead. Jessica's dead." And so my dad ran round... | 1:26:58 | 1:27:04 | |
..to their flat. | 1:27:06 | 1:27:08 | |
I've seen her lying there. | 1:27:09 | 1:27:11 | |
I dragged her out. | 1:27:14 | 1:27:16 | |
She spoke to me. She opened her eyes. | 1:27:22 | 1:27:24 | |
Breathed into her mouth, to get some... | 1:27:27 | 1:27:30 | |
I thought she was dead. | 1:27:32 | 1:27:34 | |
But she opened her eyes and she said, | 1:27:34 | 1:27:36 | |
"I love you, Daddy. I don't want to die." | 1:27:36 | 1:27:38 | |
So we went straight up to the hospital. | 1:27:38 | 1:27:42 | |
She was in the burns unit. | 1:27:42 | 1:27:43 | |
And then the doctors come in and spoke to us, | 1:27:43 | 1:27:47 | |
and they said that she wasn't going to make it. | 1:27:47 | 1:27:50 | |
What do you know now about what he did on that night? | 1:27:56 | 1:27:59 | |
I know he argued wi' her. | 1:28:03 | 1:28:06 | |
Smashing the house up. | 1:28:06 | 1:28:07 | |
Doing this and doing that, | 1:28:09 | 1:28:12 | |
and dousing her with petrol. | 1:28:12 | 1:28:14 | |
And locked the door. And let her burn alive. | 1:28:16 | 1:28:20 | |
He poured petrol over her? | 1:28:22 | 1:28:24 | |
Yeah. | 1:28:24 | 1:28:25 | |
The forensic scientist had said that the smoke pattern in the bedroom | 1:28:27 | 1:28:33 | |
was as though the bedroom door had been held shut, | 1:28:33 | 1:28:39 | |
and she was standing | 1:28:39 | 1:28:41 | |
at the bottom of the bed, in front of the door. | 1:28:41 | 1:28:45 | |
Probably trying to get out. | 1:28:45 | 1:28:48 | |
He held her in that fucking door and just heard her screaming. | 1:28:48 | 1:28:53 | |
I'll never ever forgive him for what he did. I will never, never... | 1:28:53 | 1:28:59 | |
She was such a lovely lassie. | 1:28:59 | 1:29:03 | |
-I'm going to do this for Jessica. -I know you are. You'll do her proud. | 1:29:12 | 1:29:16 | |
'Me dad, he goes to karaoke and does a bit of Elvis,' | 1:29:16 | 1:29:22 | |
and he always says, "This song's for my baby, Jessica." | 1:29:22 | 1:29:28 | |
# Oh-oh-oh... | 1:29:30 | 1:29:33 | |
# Oh-oh-oh... | 1:29:35 | 1:29:39 | |
# Oh, yeah | 1:29:39 | 1:29:40 | |
# When no-one else can understand me | 1:29:41 | 1:29:44 | |
# When everything I do is wrong | 1:29:46 | 1:29:49 | |
# You give me hope and... # | 1:29:51 | 1:29:55 | |
I can't do it. | 1:29:56 | 1:29:58 | |
CROWD: # You give me strength To carry on | 1:29:58 | 1:30:00 | |
# I guess I'll never know | 1:30:00 | 1:30:03 | |
# The reason why... # | 1:30:03 | 1:30:06 | |
'My routine in the morning is to get up at 7am. Go down the stair. Open the fridge.' | 1:30:06 | 1:30:11 | |
# That's the wonder... # | 1:30:11 | 1:30:14 | |
Psst. Can of beer. | 1:30:14 | 1:30:16 | |
Sit and watch TV, and just chill out, then I wait till the pub's open at 11am. | 1:30:16 | 1:30:21 | |
And straight down the pub and then back up the road for about 9pm or 10pm or something. | 1:30:21 | 1:30:27 | |
Mangled. | 1:30:27 | 1:30:29 | |
My wee baby. | 1:30:33 | 1:30:35 | |
That's your last one! | 1:30:37 | 1:30:39 | |
What? | 1:30:39 | 1:30:41 | |
How do you think it's affected your dad? | 1:30:41 | 1:30:44 | |
Horribly. | 1:30:44 | 1:30:45 | |
He's just not himself. | 1:30:45 | 1:30:48 | |
He's turned to drink to help him. Well, he thinks it's helping him. | 1:30:49 | 1:30:54 | |
You needing a refill? | 1:30:54 | 1:30:56 | |
Yeah. | 1:30:56 | 1:30:57 | |
He's lost weight. | 1:30:58 | 1:31:00 | |
He's always crying. | 1:31:00 | 1:31:02 | |
Always. | 1:31:02 | 1:31:04 | |
To start off with, he was always saying, "I want to be with Jessica. | 1:31:04 | 1:31:08 | |
"She needs me. I'm going to be with Jessica." | 1:31:08 | 1:31:12 | |
I just get flashbacks of that night. | 1:31:12 | 1:31:15 | |
You know, as soon as I shut my eyes I can see Jessica lying there. | 1:31:15 | 1:31:20 | |
Just the horror. Then hospital. | 1:31:20 | 1:31:22 | |
Everything just gets mangled round and it's just like lying there, | 1:31:22 | 1:31:26 | |
hospital, turn the machine off, buried. Know what I mean? | 1:31:26 | 1:31:31 | |
Gone. | 1:31:31 | 1:31:32 | |
Shattered. | 1:31:39 | 1:31:41 | |
Basically, I pleaded not guilty to wounding with intent | 1:32:07 | 1:32:10 | |
and to violent disorder, but pleaded guilty to affray. | 1:32:10 | 1:32:16 | |
What kind of sentence could you be looking at? | 1:32:16 | 1:32:19 | |
Maximum sentence for affray is three years, isn't it? | 1:32:21 | 1:32:26 | |
I'd like to see the judge, see if he's got the guts to watch his friend get stabbed | 1:32:26 | 1:32:31 | |
and try and take the knife off the person that stabbed him, | 1:32:31 | 1:32:34 | |
see what he gets recognised for. He'd be a national hero. | 1:32:34 | 1:32:37 | |
The Lord Lieutenant's award is a special award given for first aid action that is above and beyond | 1:32:37 | 1:32:44 | |
the normal expectation of a first aider. | 1:32:44 | 1:32:47 | |
Because of what I did, I didn't really see I'd done anything | 1:32:47 | 1:32:53 | |
that anybody else wouldn't have done, but one of my superiors | 1:32:53 | 1:32:58 | |
nominated me for an award for bravery. | 1:32:58 | 1:33:01 | |
One had been stabbed in the lower chest. The other was being punched and kicked across the... | 1:33:01 | 1:33:07 | |
I thought I was just going to get a mention, a certificate, | 1:33:07 | 1:33:10 | |
but I won the Lord Lieutenant's Award for Bravery. | 1:33:10 | 1:33:14 | |
For his courage, professionalism and compassion in dealing with this | 1:33:14 | 1:33:19 | |
very serious incident, I present Sam Taylor. | 1:33:19 | 1:33:23 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:33:23 | 1:33:26 | |
As the different conversations went around, | 1:33:36 | 1:33:38 | |
it was, "Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam." | 1:33:38 | 1:33:41 | |
And everyone got confused as to who was who and what was what. | 1:33:41 | 1:33:47 | |
There was a lot of confusion between me, Sam Taylor, and Sam, Sam Lengfeld, | 1:33:47 | 1:33:52 | |
because we both had the same name, | 1:33:52 | 1:33:54 | |
people were assuming that Sam Lengfeld was the grandson of my granddad, | 1:33:54 | 1:34:01 | |
and there were rumours going round that he was his nephew. | 1:34:01 | 1:34:05 | |
That he was his grandson. | 1:34:05 | 1:34:07 | |
That he was family there. | 1:34:07 | 1:34:09 | |
So all the anger was directed towards the family, if you like. | 1:34:09 | 1:34:12 | |
Basically, the way it's put in the paper is he's gone to go over to Shev, | 1:34:12 | 1:34:17 | |
but everyone's pushed him away and said, "Leave him, leave him to die." | 1:34:17 | 1:34:21 | |
But it was the other way around. | 1:34:21 | 1:34:24 | |
-He was going to his cousin. -Who do you think is his cousin? | 1:34:24 | 1:34:27 | |
The guy who stabbed Shev. Sam Lengfeld, I think his name is. | 1:34:28 | 1:34:34 | |
-And you think that they're related? -Yeah, they're related. | 1:34:34 | 1:34:38 | |
-They're not related. -No? They're not. | 1:34:38 | 1:34:42 | |
Well, I've actually moved away from Bristol because of it. | 1:34:42 | 1:34:45 | |
I don't feel the same in Bristol any more. | 1:34:45 | 1:34:48 | |
I don't feel safe, which is really sad for me, | 1:34:48 | 1:34:52 | |
because I don't see my grandparents very much any more, who I miss a lot. | 1:34:52 | 1:34:57 | |
And it's heartbreaking to know | 1:34:57 | 1:34:59 | |
that I can't be down in Bristol, not looking over my shoulder. | 1:34:59 | 1:35:03 | |
Not thinking, "Is something going to happen tonight?" | 1:35:03 | 1:35:06 | |
Hello, there, sir. | 1:35:11 | 1:35:12 | |
Are you going to the chemist? | 1:35:12 | 1:35:14 | |
The road is closed, sir. | 1:35:14 | 1:35:16 | |
The road is closed at the moment, sir. | 1:35:16 | 1:35:18 | |
-I can't walk? -Not through here, no. | 1:35:18 | 1:35:21 | |
-How can I get down there? -MOBILE RINGS | 1:35:21 | 1:35:23 | |
I'm afraid you can't. The road's actually closed off at the moment. | 1:35:23 | 1:35:29 | |
Oh. Hello? | 1:35:29 | 1:35:30 | |
Do you know how long it will be blocked off? | 1:35:30 | 1:35:33 | |
-It'll be probably... -I wanted to go and do my shopping. | 1:35:33 | 1:35:37 | |
-Probably until late in the afternoon, I would have thought. -Really? | 1:35:37 | 1:35:40 | |
-Sorry. You can't come through, I'm afraid. -No? OK. -Just stay on the other side. | 1:35:40 | 1:35:45 | |
SHE SPEAKS SPANISH | 1:35:45 | 1:35:47 | |
I'm not going to go the other way around. | 1:35:47 | 1:35:50 | |
-I can't go all the way back down there. -Christ's sake. Come on. -God! | 1:35:50 | 1:35:54 | |
I've got business to attend to, for goodness sake. | 1:35:54 | 1:35:57 | |
I'm trying to get through to my bank. | 1:35:57 | 1:35:59 | |
Everything's closed off. That end. That end. It's outrageous. | 1:35:59 | 1:36:03 | |
I go through here and you stop me going through, | 1:36:03 | 1:36:07 | |
you will be committing a criminal offence. That of assault. | 1:36:07 | 1:36:10 | |
I know someone got stabbed to death. I don't care. It's not me that got stabbed to death and no-one I know. | 1:36:10 | 1:36:14 | |
I feel sorry for them, but I have to get home. | 1:36:14 | 1:36:17 | |
The pub is open. | 1:36:24 | 1:36:25 | |
-Thank you, officer. -Thank you for your help and understanding. | 1:36:25 | 1:36:28 | |
You are welcome. | 1:36:28 | 1:36:30 | |
Really and truly, if you can't see the youth lying on the floor bleeding, | 1:36:58 | 1:37:02 | |
it's nothing to you, innit? It's just another youth. | 1:37:02 | 1:37:04 | |
If you're growing up and hearing about this stuff and the person ain't close to you, | 1:37:04 | 1:37:09 | |
you're going to be like, "Boy, that's a shame." | 1:37:09 | 1:37:11 | |
But tomorrow you're just going to be doing whatever you're doing. | 1:37:11 | 1:37:15 | |
Just carrying on, I guess. | 1:37:15 | 1:37:16 | |
I just saw the police bring him out and, as I saw | 1:37:22 | 1:37:26 | |
his face, I just started crying, because he was a good person. | 1:37:26 | 1:37:30 | |
Shocking. | 1:37:30 | 1:37:32 | |
-And how old are you? -I'm eleven. | 1:37:32 | 1:37:35 | |
It's just shocking. | 1:37:37 | 1:37:39 | |
Life is short. | 1:37:40 | 1:37:41 | |
All right, then. Bye. | 1:37:59 | 1:38:01 | |
This is Shannen. That's her daughter. | 1:38:03 | 1:38:06 | |
It says, "Rest in peace Shannen Vickers. | 1:38:06 | 1:38:09 | |
"Simply the best." And then it's got, "Rest in peace, Pauline Adams. | 1:38:09 | 1:38:14 | |
"Better than all the rest." | 1:38:14 | 1:38:16 | |
All right, listen, you can't talk to no-one when you come out. | 1:38:16 | 1:38:20 | |
You can't even talk to me. | 1:38:20 | 1:38:22 | |
You don't phone no-one at all. You can't talk to Nicola about the case because she's a witness. | 1:38:22 | 1:38:27 | |
You can't say nothing. If you're going to talk... | 1:38:27 | 1:38:30 | |
-What's the camera on me for? -Because it's for BBC. | 1:38:30 | 1:38:33 | |
-It's to do with Shannen. -You're one of Shannen's oldest mates. Get your fucking backside here now! | 1:38:33 | 1:38:38 | |
Jack, you should have let him have his hair trimmed, he's on camera. | 1:38:41 | 1:38:45 | |
His hair looks a mess. | 1:38:45 | 1:38:47 | |
You should have let him have his hair trimmed. He looks a mess. | 1:38:47 | 1:38:51 | |
He put it right in front of his face! | 1:38:51 | 1:38:53 | |
My mum Pauline was in the flat, | 1:39:03 | 1:39:05 | |
my niece Shannen. I think she'd been home ten minutes, not even that. | 1:39:05 | 1:39:11 | |
Um...my dog, Ooch, my cat, Nut-Nut, | 1:39:11 | 1:39:15 | |
and the terrapin, Spice. | 1:39:15 | 1:39:19 | |
-Who survived. -Who survived. He was the only one that survived. | 1:39:19 | 1:39:22 | |
The only thing we're glad about is that my mum and Shannen was together. | 1:39:26 | 1:39:30 | |
-Arm in arm. -Arm in arm, they was, together. | 1:39:30 | 1:39:33 | |
I mean, she was my niece, yeah, but she was like my daughter as well. | 1:39:46 | 1:39:50 | |
You couldn't fault her. Well, you can fault her, | 1:39:50 | 1:39:53 | |
because, I'm not being funny, I'm not trying to paint a rosy picture, | 1:39:53 | 1:39:57 | |
she could be a little bitch. She was a little bitch. She was. | 1:39:57 | 1:40:00 | |
But, she had a J-Lo bum, you know. She had... | 1:40:00 | 1:40:04 | |
-A J-Lo bum? -Yeah, a J-Lo bum. The curvy bum. | 1:40:05 | 1:40:08 | |
Shannen doing a J-Lo pose again. | 1:40:08 | 1:40:10 | |
She liked to show her bum. | 1:40:10 | 1:40:12 | |
-She did? -Yeah. 100%. She loved her bum and she should of. | 1:40:12 | 1:40:17 | |
This was the boy she got together on that night. | 1:40:17 | 1:40:20 | |
She fancied him for seven years. | 1:40:20 | 1:40:22 | |
He was the last boy she ever kissed. | 1:40:22 | 1:40:25 | |
She wanted to marry someone with loads of money. | 1:40:25 | 1:40:28 | |
As long as they were good-looking. | 1:40:28 | 1:40:30 | |
She wouldn't go out with an old bloke. No. | 1:40:30 | 1:40:33 | |
They had to be good looking. | 1:40:33 | 1:40:35 | |
Not even white. | 1:40:35 | 1:40:37 | |
No. | 1:40:37 | 1:40:38 | |
Everyone never used to think Shannen was English. | 1:40:38 | 1:40:41 | |
They thought she was Mediterranean. | 1:40:41 | 1:40:43 | |
She doesn't look English. | 1:40:43 | 1:40:46 | |
-That one there... -Yeah, that one there, as well. | 1:40:46 | 1:40:48 | |
See? | 1:40:48 | 1:40:49 | |
But we can guarantee that she is. | 1:40:49 | 1:40:52 | |
Because it would have been her 18th. | 1:40:52 | 1:40:56 | |
Her mate Sharne had a pink limo, and we was going to do that to her, | 1:40:56 | 1:41:02 | |
and what did she say to you? | 1:41:02 | 1:41:04 | |
-You're going to have to say it. -Yeah. | 1:41:04 | 1:41:06 | |
-I don't know. "Would I ever get in another fucking pink hummer?" -Yeah. | 1:41:06 | 1:41:12 | |
We're just after a tattoo for the other side of our neck, | 1:41:14 | 1:41:17 | |
because this one has got angels and "rest in peace". | 1:41:17 | 1:41:20 | |
So we just want one, so we can put their names on it, | 1:41:20 | 1:41:23 | |
my mum's name and Shannen's name. | 1:41:23 | 1:41:25 | |
We putting her name or just "Mum"? | 1:41:25 | 1:41:27 | |
-Are we just doing "Mum"? -We're doing "Mum", innit? | 1:41:27 | 1:41:29 | |
OK, we'll do "Mum", then. | 1:41:29 | 1:41:31 | |
Well, it would look a bit silly writing "Pauline" on our necks. | 1:41:31 | 1:41:34 | |
No, I meant "Mum". I didn't mean "Pauline". | 1:41:34 | 1:41:37 | |
OK, you said names. I just want to make sure. | 1:41:37 | 1:41:39 | |
-Its "Mum", isn't it? -You have to be pacific! | 1:41:39 | 1:41:42 | |
But her name's "Mum" to us, innit? | 1:41:42 | 1:41:44 | |
I don't call her "Pauline", do we? | 1:41:44 | 1:41:46 | |
Well, you do when you had the hump with her. | 1:41:46 | 1:41:49 | |
Yeah, but that's different. | 1:41:49 | 1:41:50 | |
BOTH: Oh, I like that one! | 1:41:50 | 1:41:52 | |
-That's it. -No, that one. -That with "Mum" and "Shannen"? | 1:41:52 | 1:41:55 | |
-We'll have that one. -That one'll do. | 1:41:55 | 1:41:56 | |
-You've got the dates all right? -We've got the dates on this one. | 1:41:56 | 1:41:59 | |
-Yeah. -No, that's perfect, that one. | 1:41:59 | 1:42:01 | |
-That's perfect, that one. -Yeah. Changed me mind again. | 1:42:01 | 1:42:05 | |
-Love it. Love the pain. -It's the only time we feel something. | 1:42:05 | 1:42:09 | |
So we're not zombies, innit? | 1:42:10 | 1:42:13 | |
'The night before, Shannen was getting ready to go out, | 1:42:17 | 1:42:20 | |
'because it was her mate's 18th birthday party.' | 1:42:20 | 1:42:24 | |
-Doing her hair. -And, was it about 3am in the morning? -Yes. | 1:42:24 | 1:42:27 | |
I got a phone call. | 1:42:27 | 1:42:30 | |
And Brendan said that he'd just been in a big fight, | 1:42:30 | 1:42:34 | |
and one of the boys had threatened to go set the place alight. | 1:42:34 | 1:42:38 | |
They said that they was going to burn our place out, | 1:42:40 | 1:42:43 | |
and hoped that I was in it | 1:42:43 | 1:42:44 | |
and, hopefully, everyone else was going to be there, as well. | 1:42:44 | 1:42:48 | |
-They didn't care who was going to be there. -This was over...? | 1:42:48 | 1:42:52 | |
A £15 puff. | 1:42:52 | 1:42:53 | |
All it was was £15. | 1:42:53 | 1:42:56 | |
Even though their argument was with MY son. | 1:42:56 | 1:42:58 | |
Their argument was with Brendan. It had nothing to do with my mum. | 1:42:58 | 1:43:02 | |
It had nothing to do with Shannen. It had nothing to do with our animals. | 1:43:02 | 1:43:06 | |
The amount of petrol they used was a little bit | 1:43:08 | 1:43:10 | |
bigger than an Oasis bottle and they filled it up to the top. | 1:43:10 | 1:43:14 | |
So they've kicked the door open and they just set it alight | 1:43:14 | 1:43:17 | |
and just stood there for a few minutes, to make sure it set alight. | 1:43:17 | 1:43:21 | |
And they both, my mum and my daughter, Shannen, | 1:43:21 | 1:43:24 | |
died together in each other's arms. | 1:43:24 | 1:43:27 | |
The one that died first was the dog and the cat went in with me mum. | 1:43:27 | 1:43:32 | |
And the whole three of them died together. In my bedroom, innit? | 1:43:32 | 1:43:37 | |
My mum wouldn't have cared what happened to her. | 1:43:44 | 1:43:47 | |
She would have cared that Shannen got out, | 1:43:47 | 1:43:49 | |
so she went in the room to try and get Shannen out. | 1:43:49 | 1:43:52 | |
And they couldn't get out. They just couldn't get out. | 1:43:52 | 1:43:57 | |
Because the fire was too much. | 1:43:57 | 1:43:59 | |
I think sometimes people say, "You are really, really strong." | 1:44:04 | 1:44:08 | |
-Except it's not. -Front. -It's front. It's a face. | 1:44:08 | 1:44:12 | |
Because, I think if we cry, | 1:44:14 | 1:44:16 | |
then it feels like sometimes you're not going to stop. | 1:44:16 | 1:44:21 | |
You want to say hello to the world? Say, "Hello, world." | 1:44:33 | 1:44:36 | |
Show your gorgeous self to the world. Say, "Hello, world." | 1:44:36 | 1:44:40 | |
Say, "My name's Ronnie." | 1:44:40 | 1:44:41 | |
Someone gave us a dog, because our dog died in the fire, | 1:44:44 | 1:44:49 | |
so she give me this one, | 1:44:49 | 1:44:51 | |
and then when we went to visit them, there was this one, as well. | 1:44:51 | 1:44:54 | |
-They're little twins. -They're little twins. Ronnie and Reggie. | 1:44:54 | 1:44:58 | |
They're like little babies, aren't they? | 1:45:02 | 1:45:04 | |
This will be my new baby. | 1:45:04 | 1:45:06 | |
Won't you? Yeah. | 1:45:06 | 1:45:09 | |
Ain't you? Thank you. | 1:45:09 | 1:45:11 | |
Some kind of justice would be is if we were allowed to go into the room | 1:45:18 | 1:45:21 | |
and just ask what everyone wants to know. | 1:45:21 | 1:45:24 | |
Why? | 1:45:24 | 1:45:25 | |
Why? There was just no reason for it. | 1:45:27 | 1:45:30 | |
Over £15 to have a draw - puff, zoot, whatever - why? | 1:45:30 | 1:45:33 | |
There is no reason for it. | 1:45:33 | 1:45:35 | |
What if they were found not guilty? | 1:45:40 | 1:45:43 | |
-That's all right. -That's all right. | 1:45:43 | 1:45:45 | |
-Because? -You so don't want to hear what we're going to say. | 1:45:47 | 1:45:51 | |
Well, put it this way - either way, justice will be done. | 1:45:53 | 1:45:57 | |
I mean, who could blame us, eh? | 1:45:57 | 1:46:00 | |
Innit? | 1:46:00 | 1:46:01 | |
-It's the East End way, innit? -That's it - a life for a life. | 1:46:01 | 1:46:05 | |
Says that in the Bible. | 1:46:05 | 1:46:07 | |
A life for a life. | 1:46:07 | 1:46:09 | |
An eye for an eye. A tooth for a tooth and... | 1:46:09 | 1:46:11 | |
BOTH: A life for a life. | 1:46:11 | 1:46:12 | |
See you later. | 1:46:14 | 1:46:16 | |
See you later. | 1:46:16 | 1:46:17 | |
CLUB MUSIC PLAYS | 1:46:35 | 1:46:38 | |
What's happening tomorrow? | 1:46:44 | 1:46:46 | |
We're going on a walk for Shev, because it's his birthday, | 1:46:46 | 1:46:49 | |
so we're just going to go and raise some more money for his headstone | 1:46:49 | 1:46:53 | |
and stuff like that and just have a good day for him, innit. | 1:46:53 | 1:46:56 | |
-How old would he have been? -18 he'd be tomorrow. | 1:46:57 | 1:47:01 | |
Eight months now. | 1:47:01 | 1:47:02 | |
It's crazy when you think about it. | 1:47:02 | 1:47:05 | |
It just flies by. | 1:47:05 | 1:47:06 | |
Life goes on doesn't it? Except for his mother up the road. | 1:47:07 | 1:47:13 | |
And like I said to you, I still think about her. | 1:47:13 | 1:47:17 | |
Do you have some experience of losing a son, as well? | 1:47:17 | 1:47:22 | |
-Yes. It was Ivan, our only son. -Right. | 1:47:22 | 1:47:27 | |
Had his postmortem, | 1:47:27 | 1:47:29 | |
and it was the left ventricle of his heart had seized. | 1:47:29 | 1:47:34 | |
Mine was in completely different circumstances to her, | 1:47:34 | 1:47:37 | |
but it still doesn't make any difference. | 1:47:37 | 1:47:40 | |
The gravel is still as sharp and as cold and as hard | 1:47:40 | 1:47:43 | |
when you're kneeling there, | 1:47:43 | 1:47:45 | |
you know. | 1:47:45 | 1:47:47 | |
It doesn't matter what the circumstances are. | 1:47:47 | 1:47:51 | |
And I suppose that's why I still keep thinking | 1:47:51 | 1:47:53 | |
about his mother, you know. | 1:47:53 | 1:47:55 | |
I know what a long, long year the first year is, | 1:47:56 | 1:47:59 | |
all the anniversaries and everything. | 1:47:59 | 1:48:01 | |
It never stops. It never goes away. | 1:48:01 | 1:48:04 | |
It wasn't actually until Shevon passed away | 1:48:14 | 1:48:17 | |
that I realised how many friends he had. | 1:48:17 | 1:48:20 | |
Most people, if it was his birthday or anybody's birthday, | 1:48:20 | 1:48:24 | |
you struggle to get like 20 to 30 people to go out for your birthday, | 1:48:24 | 1:48:27 | |
but to know that it's so many months after | 1:48:27 | 1:48:31 | |
and he got people to walk to Bath, | 1:48:31 | 1:48:33 | |
that shows, like, how much people care. | 1:48:33 | 1:48:35 | |
# Happy birthday to you | 1:48:37 | 1:48:40 | |
# Happy birthday to you | 1:48:40 | 1:48:44 | |
# Happy birthday, dear Shevon | 1:48:44 | 1:48:47 | |
# Happy birthday to you. # | 1:48:47 | 1:48:51 | |
You can't judge a book by its cover. Because we look a certain way | 1:48:51 | 1:48:55 | |
or we do a certain thing, you can't judge that person like that. | 1:48:55 | 1:48:58 | |
Kids just are labelled as a menace. | 1:48:58 | 1:49:00 | |
There is no representation of the good that we do. | 1:49:00 | 1:49:03 | |
Excuse me, would you mind donating some money to a good cause? | 1:49:03 | 1:49:07 | |
Shevon didn't like trouble, and there is a stigma attached to | 1:49:07 | 1:49:12 | |
black men that have been a victim of knife crime | 1:49:12 | 1:49:15 | |
whereas in Shevon's case, it wasn't a gang-related incident at all, | 1:49:15 | 1:49:20 | |
but I think people would have read the inaccurate | 1:49:20 | 1:49:24 | |
media reports and made that conclusion, definitely. | 1:49:24 | 1:49:29 | |
We're going to let some balloons off for Wahab's birthday. | 1:49:48 | 1:49:52 | |
I'm just saying Wahab because it's his real name, really, | 1:49:52 | 1:49:55 | |
because he didn't really tell anyone. | 1:49:55 | 1:49:58 | |
-I don't think he liked people knowing his real name. -So what did he prefer? -Killer. | 1:49:58 | 1:50:02 | |
-Yeah, he did. -That was his tag name, Killer. | 1:50:02 | 1:50:05 | |
Didn't mean nothing. | 1:50:05 | 1:50:06 | |
No, it didn't mean nothing. Just what we knew him as. | 1:50:06 | 1:50:09 | |
And when we say Killer, we mean he was a killer. | 1:50:09 | 1:50:12 | |
-He made us laugh. -He made us laugh. | 1:50:12 | 1:50:14 | |
Like he could make anything into a joke. | 1:50:14 | 1:50:17 | |
-And everybody called him Killer? -Everyone. | 1:50:17 | 1:50:19 | |
The press made something of that, as well. | 1:50:19 | 1:50:22 | |
They said he was called Killer because he went round killing people. | 1:50:22 | 1:50:25 | |
-Or something like that. -And that's unfair. | 1:50:25 | 1:50:28 | |
His mum's got to hear that. | 1:50:28 | 1:50:29 | |
His mum has to hear that, | 1:50:29 | 1:50:30 | |
and she knows deep down that he wasn't like that. | 1:50:30 | 1:50:33 | |
We know deep down that he wasn't like that. | 1:50:33 | 1:50:35 | |
Because he got found with a knife once don't mean nothing. | 1:50:35 | 1:50:38 | |
-He never hurt anyone. -That's what I mean. | 1:50:38 | 1:50:40 | |
When a young white boy gets stabbed or he gets killed, they never say, | 1:50:40 | 1:50:44 | |
"Oh, its gang-related or his nickname, he had this because | 1:50:44 | 1:50:48 | |
"yeah, he's done this and he's done that." | 1:50:48 | 1:50:50 | |
It's always a young black boy. | 1:50:50 | 1:50:52 | |
All the time. | 1:50:52 | 1:50:53 | |
Gang-related. His postcode was... | 1:50:53 | 1:50:56 | |
That's for you, Killer. | 1:50:56 | 1:50:57 | |
Yeah. Three, two, one... | 1:51:00 | 1:51:03 | |
I don't even know where it is, you know. I've just turned up. | 1:51:23 | 1:51:26 | |
Didn't leave us much room with his van. Oh, they left me parking. | 1:51:29 | 1:51:33 | |
This is the coffin here. | 1:51:35 | 1:51:37 | |
Another one of London's teenagers. | 1:51:43 | 1:51:46 | |
It says here, "In one attack, the murdered youth, | 1:51:59 | 1:52:04 | |
"18-year-old Wahab Zaaki, | 1:52:04 | 1:52:06 | |
"had a history of carrying knives and may have been armed himself. | 1:52:06 | 1:52:12 | |
"Wahab, who called himself Killer, was stabbed in the chest in a... | 1:52:12 | 1:52:16 | |
"in a frenz..." Is it "frenzied"? | 1:52:16 | 1:52:19 | |
"..attack near a bin store in Walthamstow, East London, | 1:52:19 | 1:52:23 | |
"on Friday night." | 1:52:23 | 1:52:24 | |
They make it sound like it was his fault. | 1:52:24 | 1:52:28 | |
Because every time someone dies of a knife crime or whatever, | 1:52:28 | 1:52:32 | |
they always like make it sound bad on the actual victim. | 1:52:32 | 1:52:37 | |
I just remember people'd be like praying over him. | 1:52:41 | 1:52:44 | |
It was like an open coffin, but you could see his eyes and that. | 1:52:44 | 1:52:48 | |
It was nice, because he looked peaceful. | 1:52:48 | 1:52:50 | |
He looked peaceful when he was laying there. | 1:52:53 | 1:52:55 | |
I had an idea that I was pregnant | 1:53:08 | 1:53:12 | |
just after he died. | 1:53:12 | 1:53:13 | |
And then my mate brung round a pregnancy test, and I done it, | 1:53:14 | 1:53:19 | |
and then I found out that I was pregnant. | 1:53:19 | 1:53:22 | |
I wanted the baby, anyways, and it will be nice for | 1:53:27 | 1:53:31 | |
his mum and family and me that we have part of him | 1:53:31 | 1:53:38 | |
with us, living on. | 1:53:38 | 1:53:41 | |
-Do you know if you're having a boy or a girl? -A girl. -Really? -Yeah. | 1:53:41 | 1:53:45 | |
But have you thought what you might say to her | 1:53:45 | 1:53:48 | |
about what happened to her father? | 1:53:48 | 1:53:50 | |
No, I ain't really thought about that, which I should, really. | 1:53:50 | 1:53:55 | |
I can't tell her why and what happened. | 1:53:55 | 1:53:59 | |
You still don't know? | 1:53:59 | 1:54:01 | |
No. | 1:54:01 | 1:54:02 | |
When she does his face expressions | 1:54:19 | 1:54:22 | |
and that, | 1:54:22 | 1:54:24 | |
like what he used to do, I dunno, it reminds me of him. | 1:54:24 | 1:54:27 | |
This is for you, Salum. | 1:54:36 | 1:54:38 | |
-Love you. -Cheers. | 1:54:38 | 1:54:39 | |
# My love, where did we go wrong? | 1:54:39 | 1:54:46 | |
# Wonder who's in your arms | 1:54:46 | 1:54:50 | |
# 'Specially because you did her wrong | 1:54:50 | 1:54:54 | |
# You know, sad songs | 1:54:54 | 1:54:59 | |
# Are the best songs | 1:54:59 | 1:55:01 | |
# You don't have to wonder how it's going to end... # | 1:55:02 | 1:55:10 | |
I know that he wanted to go to university, | 1:55:10 | 1:55:13 | |
even going into engineering, like, making the cars and stuff like that. | 1:55:13 | 1:55:18 | |
Because he used to draw a really good car. | 1:55:18 | 1:55:21 | |
That's what his signature would have been like when he was famous. | 1:55:26 | 1:55:29 | |
Jamzy. See it? | 1:55:29 | 1:55:31 | |
That's what he would have used when he was a famous footballer. | 1:55:31 | 1:55:34 | |
"Jahmal, can I have your signature?" That's what he would have used. | 1:55:34 | 1:55:37 | |
What you waiting for? | 1:55:45 | 1:55:47 | |
BOTH: Keys. | 1:55:47 | 1:55:48 | |
-Keys. OK. -Keys to the door. | 1:55:48 | 1:55:50 | |
Wicked. | 1:55:51 | 1:55:52 | |
People find it weird that we actually want to be here, | 1:55:52 | 1:55:56 | |
but at the end of the day, this was our home and it was my mum's home | 1:55:56 | 1:55:59 | |
and it was Shannen's home. | 1:55:59 | 1:56:01 | |
Ooh, we got letters. | 1:56:01 | 1:56:02 | |
It's just feels like we're back where we belong. | 1:56:02 | 1:56:06 | |
Yeah, it's lovely. | 1:56:06 | 1:56:08 | |
So this is where my mum and Shannen was found. | 1:56:08 | 1:56:12 | |
Can you feel someone in here, though? | 1:56:16 | 1:56:18 | |
It feels like very cold, like freezing. | 1:56:18 | 1:56:20 | |
Well, it's obvious, innit, there's no electric on. | 1:56:20 | 1:56:23 | |
This is a video of Jessica in her bedroom dancing. | 1:56:26 | 1:56:31 | |
And she just went to the door to make sure nobody was coming | 1:56:35 | 1:56:40 | |
to catch her, and now she's shaking her backside. | 1:56:40 | 1:56:44 | |
This is a song that Steven's friends made for him. | 1:56:45 | 1:56:48 | |
RAP MUSIC PLAYS | 1:56:48 | 1:56:50 | |
Even now, there's days where I wake up and I forget for a second | 1:56:57 | 1:57:01 | |
that he's not there, | 1:57:01 | 1:57:02 | |
you know, and them days are really bad days for me. | 1:57:02 | 1:57:06 | |
And there's been times when I've wanted to go and join Steven, | 1:57:06 | 1:57:11 | |
to be with him, | 1:57:11 | 1:57:13 | |
but my other children, you know, | 1:57:13 | 1:57:16 | |
I couldn't put them through it. | 1:57:16 | 1:57:19 | |
It's been a year now and they still ain't caught no-one. | 1:57:19 | 1:57:23 | |
And what would you like to see happen? | 1:57:23 | 1:57:25 | |
People get arrested for it. | 1:57:25 | 1:57:29 | |
And could you ever forgive him at all? | 1:57:41 | 1:57:44 | |
No. | 1:57:44 | 1:57:46 | |
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