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Recent times have seen Britain's police | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
facing criticism like never before... | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
..kettling the protesters, continuing use of stop and search | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
and the handling of last year's riots. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
They're accused of being heavy-handed, not heavy enough, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
prejudiced, slow-moving, too quick to rush in. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:24 | |
Move away, move away! | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
And when everyone's got a camera phone, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
we see more footage than ever that makes us question the police. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
Shame on you, shame on you, shame on you. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
'I'm Adam Deacon. I grew up in Hackney, | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
'an area where people have often had | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
'a difficult relationship with the police.' | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
When I see police driving through Hackney, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
I think most of them are looking back at me, thinking, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
"Oh, he must be up to something, he's a criminal. He's got to be." | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
They hear my accent, they see what I'm wearing. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
Right, some of the time I got a hoodie on | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
and I think they think, "Criminal." | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
'I'm not the only one that feels this way.' | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
In a recent survey, one in three people | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
thought the police are corrupt | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
and one in every five thought they're dishonest. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
But I want to know if the problem goes even deeper than that. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
I'm going to spend time | 0:01:13 | 0:01:14 | |
with the police, see the world through their eyes. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
Ow! | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
We're going to spend a night in the cells. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
POLICE SIREN | 0:01:20 | 0:01:21 | |
I've had shifts before where it's push, push, push. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
To be perfectly honest, we're all human and sometimes we will snap. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
I want to meet the people whose belief in the police | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
has been undermined. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
I looked at him and he said, | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
"You giving me the eyeball, son?" The copper, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
and I just thought to myself, "Oh, my God, here we go." | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
Give me a reason why you want to search me. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
If you wanted to search me, then arrest me. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
Then once you search me and find I have nothing on me, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
then I'm going to speak to my solicitor. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:47 | |
You have no reason TO trust them. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
I know I shouldn't, but I hate all of them. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
It was police incompetence and negligence why Tania died. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
There's no doubt we need the police. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
What I want to know is can we trust them? | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
The shooting in Stockwell | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
and the handling of the death of Mark Duggan in Tottenham | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
shocked Britain. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
When armed police make mistakes, people can die | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
and that's why I want to find out what kind of people | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
choose to do this job. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:25 | |
We are going to interview a few gun police about their job, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:31 | |
what they do, how they feel. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
-Yeah? Excited? -Mm. Yeah. It should be good. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
It's a bit weird, if I'm being honest. There's lots of guns about, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
and police officers. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
Right, hold that for me. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
-All right. -Cool. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:49 | |
-Pair of safety glasses. -Cheers, man. -And some hearing protection. -Cheers. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
We've got to protect your eyes and your hearing. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
'Firearms trainer Chris Stratford runs training sessions | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
'for armed officers.' | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
Are they kind of aiming to stop someone | 0:03:01 | 0:03:02 | |
in their tracks, kind of thing? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
-So the arm or the leg? -No, you shoot... -They're shooting to kill? | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
You shoot at the largest part of the body mass. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
-Right. -You shoot to stop. -Right. -And that stops the threat. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
-OK. -Eyes and ears in the range, please, people. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
Get yourselves settled down now, folks. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
Load and make ready. GUNS COCKING | 0:03:19 | 0:03:20 | |
Remember the basic principles of shooting. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
SLP draw, two-handed load ready, try your aim if you need to. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:28 | |
Gentleman, five rounds. Carry on. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
Out! | 0:03:35 | 0:03:36 | |
The job and the role that they play is quite significant. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
At the end of the day, they may have to take a life. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
-It's not an easy call. -Mm. -When the shit hits the fan, it's a big ask. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
They must think about public perception. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
-Yeah. -Their perception, over-penetration. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
Do I shout at people, tell them to get down? | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
They've all got to do that... | 0:03:52 | 0:03:53 | |
CLICKS ..as quick as that. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
I got talking to Andrew Stevenson about why he chose a job | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
with so much pressure. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
This is something you guys volunteered to do, right? | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
It's not... Yeah, it's a career path I chose to do. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
But there's no extra money as well? | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
No. Not at the minute. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
Why did you want to do it? | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
I've been a police officer for eight years, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
been to a lot of public order, been to a lot of situations | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
and things seem to be getting worse, the use of force on people. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
I just felt, you know, it was becoming more of a threat. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
I personally wanted to go through the training | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
to carry the weapon and for protection, basically. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
-The ultimate protection. -Do you feel safer with it? -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
Yeah, definitely. I mean, it's... | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
-It feels very weird now for us to go out unarmed on patrol. -Right. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
You definitely feel you're missing something when you go out. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
WHISTLE BLOWS | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
You know, you're training to kill someone. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
How does that sit with you? Is it just, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
kind of, you see it as the job or... | 0:04:46 | 0:04:47 | |
I don't see it as training to kill somebody. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
It's one of these things where, if a situation arises | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
where I feel that my life's in danger | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
or the life of somebody else is, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
ultimately it's a decision | 0:04:57 | 0:04:58 | |
I'm going to have to make whether or not to pull the trigger. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
So do you worry about making that mistake, of just...? | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
I wonder about whether or not I can do it. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
This time, two shots to the body, one shot to the head. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
Keep your eye on the threat of the target. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
The fact you've got these people training to use these guns all day, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
right, that's what you do. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
Knowing there might never be a time where you'll get to use it. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
You might never get that call. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
I'd be quite happy to never, ever pull my weapon. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
Even though you've been training? | 0:05:26 | 0:05:27 | |
Yeah, but as long as I know it's there, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
if necessary it's there to deal with the situation. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
But I'd be quite happy to go through, and I hope I go through, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
my firearms career without having to draw my weapon. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
'For all their professionalism, and obvious commitment to the job, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
'I still felt uncomfortable | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
'about being around so many police with guns. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
'A lot of that is connected | 0:05:48 | 0:05:49 | |
'to what happened to one of my oldest schoolmates, David. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
'And it's what happened to him that really made me | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
'want to make this film in the first place. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
'I've known David, like, since I was 12. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
'We met in secondary school and all that. He's a close friend.' | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
He's someone that you can rely on, you know? | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
I wasn't the biggest guy at school so if I ever had problems, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
David would be someone I used to go to and he used to have my back. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
'He was liked by the teachers, always on the music. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
'And he's just never been your typical kid.' | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
I say that because, like, I'm sure he'll kill me for saying it, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
but...you know, he used to play the cello at school, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
his grades were very good. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:24 | |
And if I'm being honest, like, it all started to change | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
after the situation with the police. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
# Robocop cos that's what's criminal | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
# What happened to me was criminal | 0:06:35 | 0:06:36 | |
# I'm no angel but I'm blessed | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
# I coulda been left for dead by feds... # | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
'Seven years ago | 0:06:40 | 0:06:41 | |
'when he was 21, David was arrested by armed police officers | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
'in a case of mistaken identity.' | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
# Think they're Robocop... # | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
From what I remember of that night was a madness. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
I was in Belfast and I was doing a filming job | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
-in Ireland at the time. -I remember. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
And I got a text message from Jonah saying | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
"David's been beat up and shot by feds," | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
that's what the text message said. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
-You know, my heart sunk. I didn't know if he was dead or alive. -Yeah. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
Start with what happened that evening. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
What do you remember that night? | 0:07:11 | 0:07:12 | |
Literally, I was there, putting some bags in the back of the car, bruv. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
Then all of a sudden, like, someone just comes up behind me, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
shouts at me, says something like, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
"So you like to kidnap people, do you?" | 0:07:21 | 0:07:22 | |
Felt like loads of people were rushing onto me. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
I didn't know what the fuck was going on. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:26 | |
I was just like, you know what I mean, panic mode, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
know what I'm saying? Before I knew it, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:30 | |
I was just swung to the ground, literally, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
and I felt bare kicks and punches coming from everywhere. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
I was thinking, "What the hell's going on?" | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
To the head, to the face. I was on the floor. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
Tried to break away. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
Nearly got away, and then someone just grabbed me. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
I started seeing guns, everything. It was mad. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
I didn't know what was going on. I just start to think | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
"Right, am I being attacked like some racial thing?" | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
-Did you try and fight back? -Of course. Of course, bruv. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
I tried to get away. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:56 | |
Was there not a point where they said, "This is police"? | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
-Where did that come in? -Nothing, bruv. Nothing. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
These guys, they're in plain clothes. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
They just come and start beating me, beating the shit out of me, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
-trying to just beat me up. -The first time I saw it, bruv... | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
-I remember the first time you showed me. In Napa, innit? -Yeah, in Napa. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
-Killed that holiday. -Yeah, in that moment. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
-Here we go. -So who filmed this? | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
-That was them. -This is police footage? -Mm-hm. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
-This is me in the boot, bruv. -Yeah. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
I'm just in the boot there. They've just pulled up there. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
-See? -Wow. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
I mean, you can tell, right, there was no talking there. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
Look. I'm still trying to fight. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
I don't know who these people are, but he's stamping on my head. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
-He's tasing me. -It's mad to watch this. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
I'm assuming that you're asking them, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
"Look what the hell has happened here?" | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
Yeah. I've asked 'em. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:54 | |
There was a suspected kidnapping, yeah, in those block of flats. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
And they, because I was seen going into them block of flats, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
made an assumption. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:03 | |
So you were in the wrong place | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
at the wrong time, and that's what they've done. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
When was the moment when they realised | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
"We've just made a big mistake here. We've just got the wrong person"? | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
When did that happen? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:15 | |
12 hours later. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:16 | |
-And you were still in the cell at this point? -I'm locked up. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
Am I right in saying they came round to your mum's house | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
-to raid the house as well? -Yeah. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
It's almost as if they wanted to find something, like. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
At the end of the day, you can't trust the police, bruv. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
So how does this whole thing make you feel? | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
I don't know who these people are, but if you look at the footage, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
that's the worst thing about it, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
even to the point where it's made me paranoid. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
-In what way? -Well, bruv, I'll be out having a drink. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
And if I see someone looking at me in the wrong way, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
things go through my head, bruv. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
I start thinking, right, "Could that be them?" | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
-Look. -What would you say to these people if you met them again? | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
I'd ask them why, bruv. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
Was there any need to do this, like? | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
"Couldn't you have just told me who you were, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
"instead of just coming out of nowhere and springing onto me?" | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
You know what I'm saying? | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
"You would have found out | 0:10:15 | 0:10:16 | |
"I've got nothing to do with anything like that." | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
David received a letter stating that the Metropolitan Police regret | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
what happened to him. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
He also received an out-of-court settlement. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
But the police claim that the officers did warn him | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
who they were, and used only reasonable force. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
To this day, they have not apologised | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
or accepted any wrongdoing. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
When the police make a mistake, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
it can be detrimental to someone, you know? | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
One mistake, and it can affect their whole life. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
It can make them not trust people any more. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
It can make them, you know, it can make them change. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Everyone makes mistakes. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
I just think that it's the way you handle yourself | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
after that mistake has happened, it's what you do after it. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
Responsibility. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:02 | |
It's not only young men from the cities | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
that have lost their faith in the police. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
Stella Moore lives in rural Derbyshire. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
She has more reason than most to mistrust law enforcement. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
Stella's daughter Tania was stalked by her ex-boyfriend | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
for 18 months. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
He recruited people to beat her up. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:23 | |
Again and again, the family begged for help, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
but the police took no action. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
-So she was serious about her horses? -Very serious, yes. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
Most of those there are from ten to 16. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
And then the ones on the left are from when she was 18 upwards. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
So what age was she when she jumped on a horse for the first time? | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
-I would say five. -Five years old? | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
We got Tania a little Shetland, which wasn't really any good, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
because it used to bite her. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
-And then she had a small pony. -And that was it? She loved it? | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
Yeah. She was a natural. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
When Tania was beaten up, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
she told the officer who came to take her statement | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
that she was afraid that when she walked out of the door | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
that she would be shot, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
because he had high-powered guns. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
It didn't matter where she went. He always seemed to be there. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:31 | |
And then he started to do various things, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
like, she'd gone into this pub, and he poured beer over her head. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
She decided that she would leave, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
because he was becoming very aggressive, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
and she went out to her car, and her car had been damaged, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
so she couldn't drive it home. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
They could have pulled him in, but they didn't. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
-And if I'm right in saying, Stella, this guy had previous...? -Oh, yes. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:57 | |
-The police knew about this guy? He had this element to him? -Yeah. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
Well, he'd beaten up his ex-wife, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
and he'd done almost exactly the same to his ex-wife | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
as he was doing to Tania. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
Tell me about that night, Stella, the night she died. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
Could you explain what you remember? | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
I came downstairs, and I said to Justin, "I'm going to look for Tania. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
"I'm taking the car". Anyway, I came across the police roadblock. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
-Literally, that's how you found about it? -Yeah. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
I said, "Can you tell me if you've seen a little white car?" | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
And an officer said what had happened, that... | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
the person was deceased. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
And...I just can remember | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
hitting my fists on the car roof. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
I said to him, "She's been shot." | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
Because so many times prior to that... | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
You was telling the police. Knowing that you told them this, | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
that first initial feeling, was it anger? | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
Oh, it was anger. It was anger. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
The officer said, "Would you like me to drive?", and I said no. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
-He accompanied us back to the house, and I picked up this folder. -Mmm. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:16 | |
And I gave it to him, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
and I said, "That's all the information in there that you need." | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
Everything had been logged. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
We'd logged everything, from every single incident that had happened. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
I mean, that had been given to the police. So...no, it was... | 0:14:30 | 0:14:37 | |
police incompetence and negligence, why Tania died. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
-Does it get any easier at all, Stella? -No. No. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
In fact, I think as time goes on, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
I think it gets tougher, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
because you realise what you've lost. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
You see, I see my daughter's friends getting married | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
and having children, and that's something that you'll never see, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
I'll never see. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
And I think that's why it gets very tough. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
And that's why I suppose... | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
I mean, some people might forgive, but I can't forgive. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
And you can't forget either. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
Derbyshire police said that the incidents leading to Tania's death | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
had not been properly examined, due to systemic failures and overwork. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
One officer was sacked, one demoted and four reprimanded. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
An IPCC investigation stated | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
that Tania's death could have been prevented | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
if the police had just followed basic lines of inquiry. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
When I first started this, I was thinking police brutality, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
that was the thing on my mind. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:58 | |
I didn't really think of police incompetence | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
and how deep that can go. You know, one mistake, and... | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
..a young girl lost her life. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
I've come to Worthing, on the South Coast, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
to see what policing is like in a regular town outside the big city. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
Last year, Worthing had less than half the number | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
of reported crimes as we did in Hackney. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
It's early evening, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
and officers Karen and Livvy | 0:16:33 | 0:16:34 | |
are on patrol as part of Operation Respect. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
The idea is to tackle anti-social behaviour | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
and build a relationship between police and local kids. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
Not long after I join them, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
a call comes in reporting a group of under-age drinkers on the seafront. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
You're grabbing me! | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
Rape! Rape! | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
They're raping me, they're raping me! | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
How much have you had to drink? | 0:16:58 | 0:16:59 | |
Some 15-year-olds, 16-year-old girls. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
I think they drank a bit too much. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
And the police are just working out what to do with them. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
Be interesting to find out what their parents think. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
Calm yourselves down. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:11 | |
Tell you what, you either calm down, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
or I'm going to take you back. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
You're going to take me back anyway. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
If you carry on behaving like this, I'm going to. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
You're not going to let me go. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
If you calm down and I'm satisfied about where you live | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
and your parents are OK with it and you're not going to be vulnerable, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
then, yes, I will, but if you carry on with this behaviour, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
we're not going to get anywhere, are we? Yeah? | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
No! | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
I don't want to go home! Stop grabbing me! | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
No, I don't want to go home! | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
They don't know what they're doing. Anything could happen to them. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
They should be safe and warm at home, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:45 | |
not out here with a bottle of vodka. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
One of the girls runs away from the police | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
and is refusing to co-operate. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
Right, stop struggling. Calm down, and I'll let go. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
Get off! Ow! | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
Please get off me! | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
Get off me! Please! | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
You wouldn't be in this position if you'd done what you were asked. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
I'm going to talk to Mum and Dad. Trust me. Please. Come on. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
You're going to go in the van, and your friend is there, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
-and you'll calm down. -No. -We're going to sort this out. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
After three, I'm going to jump up, and it'll be all right. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
One, two, three. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
Up you get. Fabulous. Come on. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
That's a good girl. Into the van. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
And we're going to talk. That's all we're going to do. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
That's all we're going to do. Good girl. We're going in. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
GIRL SOBS | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
I don't know what happened. She was quite hysterical. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
She's obviously been drinking a bit. She's young, though, man. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
She's a young girl. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:54 | |
Whether it's rightly or wrongly, at the end of the day, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
I've got a duty of care. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:03 | |
It would be wrong of me to leave her in that state, wandering off. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
Some people might think that was a bit heavy-handed, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
but the fact is that she's continued that behaviour all the way back, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
so it's a case of, "All we want to do is sit you in the van | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
"and calm you down, establish who you are | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
"and where you've come from and take you to a place of safety." | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
With the girls driven home to their parents, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
Operation Respect is winding down, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
so I meet up with officers NJ and Matt, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
who are patrolling the streets. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
I've been doing this job almost 11 years, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
and I think probably over the last year and a half, two years, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
I'm more aware of my own safety now than I ever have been. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
There are occasions when you have to call for assistance, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
and you've got to wait five or ten minutes, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
and you're struggling | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
with somebody on the floor, or having a fight with somebody. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
You know, it is scary. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
Oh, no. The lights are on. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
POLICE SIREN WAILS | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
This feels so weird. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
'A call comes through, directing us | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
'to a possible violent domestic incident nearby.' | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
POLICE SIREN WAILS | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
All I'm trying to do is leave! | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
-I'm just trying to go! -Hold on a sec. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Calm down. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
I just want to leave, he hasn't let me leave! | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
All right. I just want to talk to you for a sec. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
-I'm not pressing charges, don't press charges...! -No, listen. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
-Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! -We had an argument, that's it. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
Whatever I say, don't start dictating about what she's doing. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
All right? We'll speak to her and we'll establish what's happened. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
-All right. -Is that understood? | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
Let me get things straight. You've had a verbal row... | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
-He wouldn't let me leave! -But you're physically all right, you're... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
-you're not hurt or anything? -No, I'm fine. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
-I haven't done anything wrong! -Well, nothing to worry about then! | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
HE TALKS INCOMPREHENSIBLY | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
Because I've spoken to you, I just need to take your details. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
Then once we've established everybody's all right, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
then you can go, all right? Is that fair? | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
Listen, have a bit of respect for your neighbours, all right? | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
Have a bit of respect for me as well! I'm a law-abiding citizen! | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
What are you talking about? They WILL have a bit of respect for you! | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
Excuse me, can I just say something? | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
It probably won't help at this time, maybe in the morning. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
Tonight, it's just a verbal altercation, like most nights. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
But there's always that one night where it might not be. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
Shut the door, put the lock on... | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
I know! He keeps pushing me away, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
and I don't do that, you know I don't. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
It's around midnight, and as soon as we leave, NJ and Matt | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
receive an urgent call to head to custody, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
as a woman is threatening to self-harm. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
NJ, are you, er...? | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
-I'm here for the female, sarge. -Can you come through, please? | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
Yep. OK, I'm going to just have to shut the door. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
As I wait for NJ to deal with the woman, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
officers are struggling | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
to get a drunk man with an injured leg into his cell. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
There is a chance that that leg could end up getting broken, OK? | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
-Yeah! -We want you to work with us, OK? | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
-That's what I'm trying to do. -I'm going to take you in there. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
I want you to sit down first of all. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:16 | |
Nah, I'll sit down if I want to go for a piss. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
The officers are going to search you, all right? | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
Can we have some replacement trousers, please? | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
-Done. -Yeah? -Yeah. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
-It was a 16-year-old female. -Yeah... -Yeah. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
-Was she...? Was it kicking off in there? -Yeah. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
She was originally. But she's a known self-harmer as well. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
-Right. -So we had to remove everything, possible ligatures, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
that she could... But she's a lot calmer now. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
-A bit calmer now, yeah? > -Yeah, I'm sweet. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
Excellent! That's just what we want! > | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
How does it make you feel, you know, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
when you do pick up a paper, or... | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
and there is something in there about a police officer | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
giving racial abuse or being a bit too heavy-handed - | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
how does that make you feel? | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
To be perfectly honest, we're all human, and sometimes, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
we will snap. I'm not saying it's right by any means, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
and I'm not condoning it. Erm... | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
And we are paid a wage to do a job, and to be professional. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
But there are some times... I've had shifts before, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
where it's push, push, push. You're being pushed from the organisation, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
to hurry and do your job, and then get to the next job and the next. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
Then you could go through a whole few shifts | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
where all you're getting is abuse from people. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
And occasionally, you know... So I can see how these things happen. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
But as I say, I'm not condoning what happened. It is unfortunate. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
Could be worse... | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
Spending time with NJ and the others, even on a quiet night, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
you could see the level of patience needed, and how easy it might be | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
for an officer to overstep the mark. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
There's so many people out there that... | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
have had problems with the police. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
But then you realise at the same time | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
that there is some police out there that are just kind of, you know, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
they came into it for the right reasons, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
they're trying to do the best they can. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
It's the officers that go out there | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
and do...do the shit, basically, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
that ruins it for everyone. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
And it makes people feel like | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
every single officer's like that - and I'm sure they're not. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
There's no doubt that my views of the police | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
have been shaped by growing up and living in Hackney. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
# Express yourself...! # | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
Here, right now, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
we're on, erm, Upper Clapton. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
Also known as Murder Mile. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
It's kind of calmed down a lot, the last couple of years, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
but this used to be real bad round here, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
especially for gun crime and all that. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
# Express yourself...! # | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
Right, over here is Pembury Estate - massive estate. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
This is where the riots kind of kicked off as well. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
You can be driving around Hackney sometimes, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
and you'll just see police everywhere, stop checks everywhere. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
Police to the right! | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
Maybe a few years ago, I would have said, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
youngsters in Hackney and all that, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
they probably feel a certain way towards the police. But nowadays, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
I feel like it's kind of everywhere. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
I feel like that feeling | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
has spread. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
# Express yourself...! # | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
I'm off to my barber's, to hear what they've got to say | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
about law and order. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
How do you feel about police, Ladder? | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
You know what? I'm not as negative about them | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
as a lot of - shall I say? - urban people are. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
-What do you mean, urban people? -Well, to be honest, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
I guess a lot of young people, especially that usually come here, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
-they feel victimised by the police. -This is what I find funny. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
-Kids are like, "I'm not having it." -Yeah. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
What do you mean? You're getting arrested. You've HAD it! | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
You ARE having it! You're on the floor, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
with a knee in your back, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:23 | |
and you're still shouting, "I'm not having it!" You're having it now! | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
You're on the floor handcuffed! You're going to the police station, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
and I will see you in seven hours. You've had it. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
I believe you still need them, because if | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
your house got burgled, it would be the police you called. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
If your car gets stolen, it's the police you will call. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
At the end of the day, people are people. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
And the police are there to serve and protect. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
-CHUCKLING -Now, they're there | 0:26:46 | 0:26:47 | |
to serve and protect, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:48 | |
it's my job to cut your hair. If I've had an argument | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
with my missus, I might not cut your hair the same as I did | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
when I was super-happy. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
It's just life. You're an actor. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
-Yeah. -If you wake up in the morning, you've just had a mad day, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
or mad morning, getting to work, your vibe's going to be off. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
No, what's happened, I always learn my lines. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
I always have that level of professionalism. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
-The youngsters aren't helping themselves. -What do you mean? | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
I've seen how youngsters behave in front of the police. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
And I've seen them do things. And... Because, like, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
let's say there's ten of us. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
I am the one that's had the problem with the police, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
but the other nine are like, "Yeah, my pal!" | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
So now I'm all moving aggressive. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
Wouldn't you say they're sticking up for their boys? | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
-You could say that, they're sticking up for their people. -Yeah, but, see, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
as an adult, I understand there's ways of conducting yourself now. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
I've got a friend that's going to become a police officer. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
Do you think people will stop talking to him as much? | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
-No! -I'm not saying yourself, but people around him? | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
No, because everyone... When we heard it, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
first, we was a bit iffy, like, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
"No, we don't really like the police and that." | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
But then he explained it, it was, yeah, cool. It's a career choice. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
-< You know what I think? -It's like a footballer or a rapper. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
The police stops you eight times a year, eight times a month, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
and say, "Sorry, how can you afford this car?" | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
"The same way you can - I work for it." | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
They might turn round and tell you they can't afford it, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
but they should get a better job. Simple maths. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
The 15th time, you're not going to be, "You all right, Mr Officer? | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
You're going to be, "Why are you at the window again?" | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
Right, I need to get you some money. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
I've seen police being racist, yeah. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
I've been stopped many times, a lot of my friends are black | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
and I have heard the banter that police like to call it. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
Right? It's not banter. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
It's upset a lot of my friends before. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
I think what's needed is common sense. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
I'm in Fife in Scotland to see if there's any more trust | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
between the police and the public in the countryside | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
and to see if the police behave any differently. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
PC Ian Laing is the only police officer in his station. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
Because it's so remote, most of the crimes Ian has to deal with | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
are connected to wildlife. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:09 | |
It's a long way from Hackney. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
You have to put your seatbelt on. Superb. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
Let me ask you, if you saw me with my hoodie on, with three black boys | 0:29:24 | 0:29:30 | |
just down this little country lane, what would be your impression? | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
Would you have to pull over and say, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
"Look, you're standing out. I don't know who you are." | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
Or would you let us be? | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
I would probably stop and speak, but for all the right reasons. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
I would imagine that perhaps your car had broken down. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
You would naturally stop and say, "Have you run out of petrol?" | 0:29:47 | 0:29:52 | |
-Not, "Have you got anything you shouldn't have on you?" -No, no, no. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
That would set up the wrong tone. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
I might think it's rather strange when I drove away | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
that there's people in their twenties, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
four of them, walking around in the middle of nowhere. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
-Is it a case where you check in on the locals? -Yes. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
A lot of it's, er...reassurance, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
the fact that the police come out and see them. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
They are in a rural area and perhaps wouldn't | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
see police from one week's end to the next. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
This is where we are going. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
Much experience with cattle? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
Not really, Ian, I'll be honest. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
-Hello, how are you? -Fine, thank you, how are you? | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
-Not bad, are you helping your dad? -How are you doing, mate? | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
-You all right? -Yes, I'm fine thank you. How are you? | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
-I'm good. -Patrick, how are you? | 0:30:55 | 0:30:56 | |
-Not the best place... -They didn't warn me, you see. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
This is Adam who has come up from London to see us. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
How are you doing, man? | 0:31:04 | 0:31:05 | |
-We just came up to see how things are. -Fine, fine, ticking along. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
-How do you find the policing around here? -Good. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
-Do you get looked after? -Yes. We get looked after fine. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
-Do you get a lot of crime around here? -No. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
That fish that was dumped at the side of the road. It's bizarre things. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
-Half a tonne of haddock dumped. -What was that about? | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
-No idea. -They just left loads of fish? | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
That's the sort of thing... | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
-Half a tonne of haddock. -You want to find them. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
I think they need to be inside. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
Leaving fish outside people's houses. That's not good. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
I think some people see the police as a threat, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
and I think the police are positive. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
The police are there to basically help you, within reason. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
They're not there to, I was going to say be a nuisance, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:54 | |
-but that isn't the right word. -We do try! | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
But, no, why... | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
If your conscience is clear, what's the problem? | 0:31:58 | 0:32:03 | |
They're part of the community. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
I don't see Ian as a policeman, I see him as a friend and a back-up. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:11 | |
If I'm in a muddle, you ring him up and you get back-up. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
I guess you wouldn't be up to climbing bales? | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
I think the trainers, they've already been through too much today. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
Cheers, man. Nice meeting you. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
-You've made my day with those white trainers. -Take care, boys. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
-A lot of the open road around here, isn't there? -Yes. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
Do you ever get that little feeling just to put your sirens on | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
and put your foot down and have a bit of fun with it? | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
Nah? | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
Tempting sometimes? | 0:33:03 | 0:33:04 | |
Just open space, man, everywhere, it's lovely. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
Cheers, man. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
Ian, why did you want to be a police officer? | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
I'm probably one of the lucky ones, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
I decided since about aged 14 that that's what I wanted to do. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
And fortunately managed to get that job, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
I don't know if that happens as often. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
That you can have a lifelong dream | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
and eventually end up in the job you want. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
-That's how it happened for me. -You got the dream job you wanted. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
I'll ask you, right, like, you read all this stuff in the press | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
about people being wrongfully arrested, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
people being beaten-up in custody - | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
as an officer, how does it make you feel? | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
If those things are going on, I would be incredibly disappointed. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
You work very hard to raise the profile | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
and reputation of the police. It's a daily activity. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
If somebody lets the side down, that's disappointing. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
Being a policeman myself for 28 years, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:14 | |
I think I'd be able to persuade them most of what I have seen | 0:34:14 | 0:34:19 | |
and what I have done has been good and positive | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
and a very small minority of things have been negative. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:27 | |
-This is paradise for me, I think. -Yeah? It is nice. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
'It's strange to see a police officer | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
'with such a close relationship with the public. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
'Whether Ian's approach would work in Hackney, I don't know. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
'It certainly seems to work in Fife.' | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
The chaos of '80s football violence is long gone. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
The patrolling of football matches | 0:34:57 | 0:34:58 | |
has become one of the police's biggest success stories. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
I'm with the Metropolitan Police | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
in the build-up to the FA Cup semi-final | 0:35:06 | 0:35:07 | |
between Chelsea and Tottenham - | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
one of the biggest and most volatile matches of the season. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
The intention today as per normal, gold strategy, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
prevent crime and disorder, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:17 | |
working in partnership, efficient use of resources. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
Legal, accountable and necessary. Everything you do should be that. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:24 | |
That should go to plan. Everybody know what they're doing? | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
The majority are decent law-abiding football fans... | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
'Sergeant Pete Dearden is a police spotter - | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
'one of 24 on duty for the game. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
'It's their job to identify risk supporters, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
'that's anyone who plans to cause trouble. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
'They try and find these guys before the fights break out.' | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
On this bus we have a spotter from Tottenham, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
a spotter from Chelsea | 0:35:49 | 0:35:50 | |
and Ken's been doing football for 20 odd years, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
so he's well used to dealing with risk supporters. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
You think that football thugs had died out since the '80s, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
but I guess it hasn't, right? | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
Well, having dealt with football | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
for the last 12 years of my career, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
I personally don't think it's ever gone away, | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
I think it's just been well managed | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
and the police have been on top of it. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
If you look now, they're chucking celery in the air. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
If we get closer, we will probably be recipients. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
At the minute, there's a minimal police presence, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
and sometimes by putting a lot of police there, it creates a problem. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
It's a low-key police presence. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
Watching from the centre island. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
Just stopping them encroach onto the road. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
Just showing them that we're here and if it does get out of hand | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
then we're ready to deal with it. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
Oi-oi! Chelsea! | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
It's kicking off around here with the celery today, man. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
I've never seen that before. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
'I followed Pete to the tube | 0:37:04 | 0:37:05 | |
'to go to Wembley to look for known troublemakers.' | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
On a day-to-day basis, every police officer on the front line | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
is faced with difficult situations and challenges. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
We police by consent | 0:37:16 | 0:37:17 | |
and I reckon the public generally are in support of us. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
JEERING AND CHANTING | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
The supporters are coming out of the tube station | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
and you can see the line of police. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
This is where the supporters divide, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
Tottenham one side, Chelsea the other. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
All the way down here, that's where the potential problems are. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
There's a lot of banter, which, on occasion, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:51 | |
especially if we're not monitoring it, does descend into disorder. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
This is an identified hot spot. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
So far, as you can see, it's all very quiet, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
it's chilled out, the mood's good. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
Any minute now, if we haven't detected two groups | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
walking amongst the decent fans, suddenly they could be fighting, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
it could change just like that. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:09 | |
You don't need to get excitable, just enjoy the game. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
-I apologise. -Let's go to the game, come on. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
-ALL: -You're all wankers! | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
You go to the game, yeah? Come on, mate. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
'With things heating up, seven dogs and handlers arrive.' | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
Off you go. Let's go, lads. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
Come on, fellas, let's go. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
No-one's going to mess with one of those dogs. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
Oi! Calm down. I am talking to you. I'm talking to you, now. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
-It was a joke! -You speak to me. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
Tell her to calm down. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
Walk around there. Do me a favour, mate. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:57 | |
Walk around there to Chelsea. Go over there. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
If that is as serious as the incidents get today, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
that has been a successful operation. A successful day. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
No-one has been arrested from that, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
no-one has been hurt from that, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
the dogs haven't had to bite anybody, we nip it in the bud. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
No police here, that would just get silly | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
and someone would get hurt. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:17 | |
Probably an innocent person | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
who did not want to be caught up. We can't have that. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
Enjoy the game, boys. Have a good one. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
See you later, Bye. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
'There were a lot of dogs and horses and you could | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
'start to imagine how situation might have got out of hand. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
'But, on the day, only seven arrests were made | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
'and from what I saw, the hands-off approach of Pete and the others | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
'stopped any trouble before it started.' | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
Although the police have taken a lot of credit | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
for reducing violence at football matches, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
some fans believe police themselves | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
are responsible for acts of brutality. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
In 2008, Chelsea fans Cliff and James Augur | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
had an encounter with the police | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
that had a huge impact on their lives. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
If I could start with you, Cliff. How did that day pan out? | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
What happened that day? | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
We were on our way home after the game, | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
one of the kids that was with us, one of James's friends | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
had just nipped into the nearest pub | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
to use the toilet before we got in the car. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
Further up the road from us there was a little incident. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
We heard some smashing of bottles, police arrived, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
they sectioned off the pub, they wouldn't let anybody in or out. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
So the child that was with us couldn't come out to us to get home. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
I said to the policeman, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:33 | |
"Is it all right if I go in the pub and get my mate." | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
It was all done politely, the policeman was polite as well. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
He said, "No. You just have to wait here." | 0:40:40 | 0:40:41 | |
That's when the police dogs come over. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
We thought, we won't hang about. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
The police dog handler, I remember what he said. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
I looked at him, and I was a bit frightened, I'm not going to lie. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
I looked at him, and he said, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:53 | |
"Are you giving me the eyeball, son?" | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
He said that to me in a threatening manner. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
I just thought to myself, "Oh, my God, here we go." | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
At that point, I turned around to leave. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
I didn't want nothing to do with it. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
He looked like he wanted trouble. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:04 | |
As I turned to leave, I'm facing away from the copper, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
and he's let the dog on my leg, on the back of my calf. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
The dog's locked his jaws on the back of my calf. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
He screamed out in pain, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
I automatically kicked out at the police dog to get him off my son, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
I think, as any parent would do. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
With that, the dog turned its attention on to me. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
I got pushed to the ground, the dog was in my face, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
I had to grab the dog by the scruff of the neck | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
to keep it from latching on to my face, basically. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
Batons, fists, boots. I was on the floor. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
At that time, I was a scrawny little kid. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
These coppers were like 15 stone on top of me. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
I'm not going to struggle, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:43 | |
and I didn't want to struggle either cos they were... | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
They're beating the shit out of me. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
I'm not going to struggle because I want it to end. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
I felt blows to the back with the baton. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
Then I felt a huge kick in the side of my ribs | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
and it just knocked the wind out of me and I couldn't breathe. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
I was gasping for breath. | 0:41:58 | 0:41:59 | |
I looked up and the copper ran up to him | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
and just booted him in the chest. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:02 | |
My dad winced out in pain, screamed out in pain, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
and I put my head down and was so ashamed. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
I was literally scared for my life, at that time. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
I thought I was going to die. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
'John, Cliff's younger son was 13 at the time. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:17 | |
'In the CCTV footage, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:18 | |
'you can see him pleading with one of the officers | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
'as Cliff and James are pinned down. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
'Up until that moment, he had always wanted to be a police officer.' | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
Looking back on it now in slow motion, it really brings it home. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
There's no-one there other than the police. All it is, is police. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
Police there, police there, it's just police. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
Even in slow-motion, look how fast he pulls my head up. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
-He grabbed me by the ear. -I can see it. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
So he could take a picture. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:46 | |
-That's how they took the picture of him. -That hurt as well. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
It's not nice looking at it, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
and it does bring back bad memories, bad memories. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
-How do you feel about the police now? -Me? | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
Um, I hate them, I hate all of them. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
I know I shouldn't, but I hate all of them. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
-And you wanted to be a police officer? -Yes. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
Dad says don't tar them all with the same brush. But I do. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
-Has it changed you as a person? -Um, yes. -Yes. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
It's a bit of a silly question. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
It has changed all of us. It's inside there. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
-It's stuck in there for ever. -The fist injuries have all healed. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:25 | |
But the mental stuff is still there. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
There is still no justice as in one of the blokes has gone to prison | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
or lost his job for beating the shit out of us, basically. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
If I had done that on the street, I would be doing time for that. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
Inside, yeah. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
Personally, from my perspective the beating that I took | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
and the fact I was in fear of my life that day was bad, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
but one of my worst memories was of when I was in the hospital, | 0:43:46 | 0:43:51 | |
lying in the hospital. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
I think it would have been that evening. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
There were tubes coming out of me and John and his mum came down to see me. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:01 | |
John came in the room and... | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
Sorry. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
I need a minute as well. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
'Cliff suffered four broken ribs | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
'and a punctured lung during the incident. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
'The IPCC began an investigation but decided the police | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
'had legitimately used dogs to reduce the risk of disorder. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
'They also did not press charges over the injuries Cliff sustained | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
'as there wasn't enough evidence to identify the officer. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
'Cliff was found guilty of assaulting a police dog. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
'The magistrate told him he should have walked away.' | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
See you later. Speak to you in the week. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
'James is currently pursuing a civil case against the police.' | 0:44:49 | 0:44:53 | |
Thank you for that, yeah. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:54 | |
Seriously, man. Thank you. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:56 | |
Thanks for that. All the best for you. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
What might have started as just a class thing, | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
or a racial thing has actually become a problem | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
that affects everyone. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:15 | |
Most people want a police service they can trust, | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
call up when they're in trouble | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
and just know that they'll be there for them. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
I think people want to feel protected. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
GOSPEL SINGING | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
Alison and Clive Richardson live in Croydon, South London. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
Four years ago, bailiffs mistakenly came | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
to their house demanding to enter. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
Confused, Clive called the police for assistance. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
They soon arrived, but ignoring Clive's objections | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
forced their way into the family home. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
An officer, he was saying that | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
he had more rights in this home than we did right now. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
We should just shut our mouths and keep quiet | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
and cooperate with the bailiffs. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:06 | |
He said, "Lie on the floor." I said, "You what?" | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
-I've seen these things in movies, you know what I mean? -Of course. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
"Lie on the floor!" I said, "No, I'm not lying on the floor." | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
The next minute, I was pushed to the ground | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
and my arms were forced behind me. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
I thought, this is crazy. Instantly I started crying. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
I just couldn't believe it. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
At one stage, I wanted to call the police. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
Then it came to me that... It dawned on me that this is the police. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:34 | |
I was told I had been arrested for assaulting a female officer. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
I thought, "Oh, my gosh! Assaulting a female officer." | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
I just sat in the back of the police van in the dark and thought, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
"This is a nightmare. I need to wake up out of this nightmare." | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
Clive said, "We're going to fight this. Fight it to the end." | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
I said to him, "How? This is the law, how can we fight it?" | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
I just burst into tears. I thought, "How can this be a fight? | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
"It's going to be impossible." | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
I just felt very, very helpless. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
I felt as though I had lost my wife for that period of time, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
to be honest with you. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
Alison was charged with assaulting the officer | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
and sentenced to 150 hours of community service. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
You go to church regularly and do a lot of work there. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
How did you find it was when you went back to church? | 0:47:18 | 0:47:23 | |
Um... | 0:47:24 | 0:47:25 | |
I felt embarrassed, even though I knew I did not do anything wrong. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:32 | |
-I'm sure some of them thought, "Maybe she did". -Do you think that? | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
-Do you think people were looking at you a bit differently? -Yes. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
I couldn't let her know how painful it was for me. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
I couldn't touch her. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
At one stage, I couldn't hold her hand | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
because she said every time I hold her hand, it felt as though... | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
It reminded her of the handcuffs. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
It took some time. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
Alison, determined to clear her name, appealed. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
It was a two-day trial. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:57 | |
On the first day, most of the police officers were cross-examined. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
You could see in their faces that they were embarrassed, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
they were bashful, they were ashamed by what they were saying. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
The judge said, "I've heard enough." She said, "This is absolute rubbish." | 0:48:06 | 0:48:12 | |
She said, "Mrs Richardson, you're free to go. This is nonsense." | 0:48:12 | 0:48:18 | |
I think she was embarrassed by the police officers. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
She just couldn't believe that that actually happened within the home. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:27 | |
After Alison had been cleared of any crime, | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
the Metropolitan Police took a very unusual step. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
We decided to come to the church today, | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
and in front of the congregation and their friends and colleagues | 0:48:37 | 0:48:42 | |
make a formal apology on behalf of the Metropolitan Police Service | 0:48:42 | 0:48:47 | |
for any harm and upset and distress this has caused Alison and Clive. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:52 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
'We spoke afterwards and I could see was a genuine guy.' | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
It really, really helped. I feel that the apology, it was genuine. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:08 | |
# I will magnify the Lord... # | 0:49:08 | 0:49:12 | |
I would like to think there are young people out there | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
that are trying to become police officers that are going in | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
for the right reasons, that are trying to break down perceptions, | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
break that stereotype that maybe young people have of police. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:33 | |
We're more open-minded. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:35 | |
I don't think we watch race as much as the older generation. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:40 | |
We see things different. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:41 | |
I'm in Northampton to see if youngsters | 0:49:49 | 0:49:50 | |
who want to be police really are different. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
Here they run a cadet scheme for young people aged between 16-19. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
As cadets, they're not allowed to take part in front-line policing | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
so I'm with them on a car crime prevention programme. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:04 | |
Their job is to look out for potential crime risks, | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
but also be a reassuring presence for the public. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:12 | |
I want to find out why they feel more positive about the police | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
than many other young people out there. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
What makes them tick | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
and what the future of British policing might look like. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
A lot of sat-navs left in cars. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
Was there ever a moment where you're like, | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
you signed up for all the action, fighting criminals, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
and then you end up in a car park? | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
Is there a moment when you're like, this ain't what I signed up for? | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
How did your family feel when you told them | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
you wanted to be a police officer? | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
They felt good about it. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
They're officers, so they think, "Well done, carry on doing it." | 0:50:44 | 0:50:49 | |
Do you enjoy doing it? | 0:50:49 | 0:50:50 | |
Yes. It's good fun and it's helping other people. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
-You feel like you're helping as well? -Yes. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
Very polite young people, man. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
Like, yeah, I was taken aback by how good they are, in a sense. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:02 | |
I find it so strange. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
In Hackney, it's one of them things where it's not cool. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
Not only is it not cool, you're looked down upon | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
if you're a young person who says, "I want to be a police officer." | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
Whether they go on to be officers or not, | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
they probably will end up doing something quite constructive | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
because you can see, from a young age, they're very focused. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
HE SHOUTS ORDERS | 0:51:27 | 0:51:28 | |
How old was you when you decided you wanted to be a police officer? | 0:51:28 | 0:51:33 | |
-Probably about 13, 14. -That young? | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
It was kind of like, "Should I be in the armed forces? | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
"Wait, I might get shot. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
"What's like that, but not as dangerous? A police officer." | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
How was it on the street with the community out there? | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
Are people happy to see you or do you find that whole, | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
"Why are you a police officer?" and that? | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
Sometimes the younger generations are like, "Why are you looking at me? | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
"Why are you staring at me? What are you doing? Why are you here? | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
"Have you got a problem with me?" | 0:51:59 | 0:52:00 | |
It's like, I don't have a problem with you, | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
I'm just in the area and you're a member of the public | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
and I'm trying to interact with you. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
Stay back! Stay back! | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
Do you think there's a big difference between the way | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
you cadets see things, and the way the older police, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
is there a big difference? | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
Years ago, you used to get coppers that said, "Don't do that," | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
and you wouldn't do it again. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:22 | |
These days, you don't do that and you get a load of abuse at you, | 0:52:22 | 0:52:26 | |
verbal and physical. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:27 | |
A copper would give you slap on the back of the head | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
and that's it, you wouldn't do it again. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
Into your groups, spread yourselves out. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
I don't see police officers as superior. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:36 | |
They are just human beings, just like everybody else. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
You can't abuse your authority. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
I've seen some of the older police doing things the wrong way. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:46 | |
How does it make you feel, someone who has just | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
started their career, when you see that kind of stuff? | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
I did come across one who wasn't particularly diverse. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:57 | |
They were quite homophobic. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
-Right. -I must admit, as soon as I pointed it out, | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
it was instantly addressed and it was dealt with | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
and it was fine afterwards. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
What I've seen of the police service, it's just not tolerated. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
It's unacceptable. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
Get back! Get back! | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
Do you think you guys, as young cadets, | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
are having input in the way things are? | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
Yes. That's what I like about it, our feedback. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:24 | |
And I think when they listen, | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
they get a better understanding of things | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
and that's how, I think, things progress. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
Come on, Adam! | 0:53:38 | 0:53:40 | |
WHISTLE IS BLOWN | 0:53:42 | 0:53:43 | |
CHEERING | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
I think the kids we met in there, they are very open-minded. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
I don't think any of them are racist or will go out and beat people up, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
but they haven't been out on the street yet. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
If they are talking how they talked today, | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
in five years' time, then, yeah, I would have hope. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
I would like to feel there is a new generation of policing | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
that will listen to young people a lot more. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
Chatting to the cadets did give me some hope. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
But not long after that, several allegations against the police | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
surfaced that made me think again. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
I've met police officers through this that are cool, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
that have come into the job for the right reasons, | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
and then you see this stuff. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
I think there's a myth with people out there | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
that think after the Stephen Lawrence case | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
that there was all these changes made. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
I think, yes, there were changes and we have come further, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
but there has got to be so much more. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
One of the officers who was recorded allegedly racially abusing | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
a suspect in the back of a police van is facing trial. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
He has pleaded not guilty. | 0:54:57 | 0:54:58 | |
Making this film really showed me how much power the police have, | 0:55:00 | 0:55:05 | |
both for good and bad. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
I did meet officers who were hard-working and honest - | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
officers that wanted to make a difference, | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
but I also met people whose lives have been | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
destroyed by the actions of the police... | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
..people who will never be able to trust them again. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
There is always going to be good and bad police. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
As hard as I'm sure many officers work, | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
all it takes is the action of a few bad ones | 0:55:33 | 0:55:34 | |
to destroy our confidence in them. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
RAPS: I walk the walk when I'm walking about | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
Still talking out loud Talking about what ever it is | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
I feel like talking about... | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
-As to whether -I -trust the police, I'm not sure. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
What David and some of the others went through | 0:55:46 | 0:55:48 | |
will no doubt stay with me. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
Personally, I think I will always be asking if we can trust the police. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:56 | |
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