Knife Crime - Winning the War


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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting

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This programme contains some strong language

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I'm David Gillanders.

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I'm a documentary photographer and film-maker.

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Over a decade ago, prompted by my own experiences, I began a

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photographic project documenting the violence in my hometown of Glasgow.

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Back then, the press referred to Glasgow

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as THE murder capital of Europe.

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And a 2005 United Nations report named Scotland the most

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violent country in the developed world.

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The photographic project took me seven years to finish.

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I used it as an educational tool through youth groups and in schools

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and, as a result, met a small army of people working to change

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the culture of violence I had encountered.

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Ten years on, what I want to know is -

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has anything fundamentally changed for Glasgow and for Scotland?

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SIREN WAILS

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At the moment, the only information we've got is that we're

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going for a 25-year-old female.

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It's coming down as a dangerous haemorrhage.

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However, on the phone the controllers

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have stated that maybe she's been slashed.

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So, we're basically going to just need to wait

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and see when we get there as to what we've got.

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What time is it?

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It is currently 0805.

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Breakfast time!

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Before some of us have had breakfast!

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Someone's been slashed.

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You're OK my side. SIREN WAILS

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Still OK.

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I'm halfway through six months of filming with

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the paramedics of Glasgow East Ambulance Station.

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I photographed much of the original project with these crews

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and here, at the front line, is where I hope to find out

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if anything has changed in the past ten years.

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So, can you remember everything that happened?

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Aye...

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-OK. So you weren't knocked out or anything like that?

-No.

-OK.

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Is my face that bad?

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OK. Don't worry, the police are out there.

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They'll deal with whoever it is out there.

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Don't you worry about that, OK?

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We'll get you sorted first, all right?

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And then we'll get you out to the ambulance

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and get a proper look at you, OK?

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She's obviously going to need to go and get this stitched,

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so we'll take her out and get a proper look at her, get it

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cleaned up out there and we'll leave you to it.

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You put your hand up to stop this, I take it?

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Aye, nae bother.

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-Get my fags out the cupboard.

-Get your fags out the cupboard?

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We'll leave that just now, OK, and we'll get you sorted.

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All right, pal?

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Come on, we'll get you outside and get you seen to.

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There you go, pal. All the way round here.

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OK.

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I've no' got anything, Crawford. Oh, you've got... Sorry.

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Am I gonnae be scarred for life?

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The plastic surgeons are great up there, OK?

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What we're going to do is... Let me see this for a wee second.

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Just take your time. SHE GROANS

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No, no, no. Keep your finger there.

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Was it big glasses of vodka?

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No, it was the small ones.

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Just small ones.

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It's only been small glasses of vodka.

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I'm going to just give you a wee clean up a bit, OK.

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I'm going to clean your hands, OK, pal?

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SHE MOANS

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Let me have a look.

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Right, pal.

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Put your hand over for me, pal.

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Watch the dried blood.

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You going to sleep on me?

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Who done your eyelashes?

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-Eh...

-You?

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You're no very good at it, are you?

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INDISTINCT

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All right, no bother.

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So where were you last night?

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In my house.

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I hope to fuck they get him.

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-I'm sure they will.

-I'm sure they will.

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I take it you know who done it?

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-Aye.

-Did you tell the police that?

-Uh-huh.

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-Well, they'll get him then.

-They won't, but.

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Erm, I've got an ASBO out, it's just...

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-You've got an ASBO?

-I have.

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-You been a naughty lassie?

-Mm.

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Joe, are you OK?

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Right, that's us going to head to the hospital, OK?

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How long you stayed up here?

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-Too long.

-You born and bred here?

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Eh...

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-Eh?

-I stayed in Stirling for two and half years.

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-Stirling?

-Aye.

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How was that?

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-In the jail.

-Oh, in the jail?!

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You cannae exactly say you stayed in Stirling for a wee two

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and a half years and you were in the hoose!

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Naw, but I've been good noo.

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You keep that there.

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Two and a half years in the jail?

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INDISTINCT No bother.

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We'll get that sorted.

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-Aye.

-How did you find that?

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Erm...

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Very, erm...

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Very therapeutic.

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Therapeutic?

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I've never heard of the jail being described as therapeutic

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in my life before.

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I'm just going to pop a wee dressing on this to stop it bleeding away, OK?

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There you go.

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Is that why you've...?

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Well, when did you get out the jail?

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Eight year ago.

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And you've got an ASBO again?

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-I'm freezing. Can I get my jacket?

-Right.

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Right.

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We'll get it sorted. I'm going to give you a blanket.

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We need to get you on here first.

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-Just turn yourself round, have a wee seat in there.

-You look much better.

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-There you go.

-Come on. Watch out.

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Put your bum straight on, there you go.

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-We'll get you covered up, OK, pal?

-I'm freezing.

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Here. Just take that. All right, guys?

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Thank you.

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-There we go.

-Try and look a bit sick, right?

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Girls do get attacked unfortunately.

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In the main, statistically, it's young men who are victims of

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assaults, but, no, it can be anyone,

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any range of age - anything at all.

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It brings it home a wee bit more, she was only a young girl,

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and she's now marked for life.

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In three months of filming with the paramedics,

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this is the first truly violent incident I've attended.

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Ten years ago, incidents like this, and much worse,

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happened several times a week and sometimes, several times a day.

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CHATTER ON WARD

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'Unfortunately, Glasgow's always had a reputation for a culture

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'of violence,'

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and I think that here at The Royal Infirmary, we've probably

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seen more of it, due to the deprived areas that are within our catchment.

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Erm...

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When I first started as a consultant and as a senior registrar,

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I was on a one in three rota at the weekends,

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and I can honestly say that every weekend,

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I would be called in late at night

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because somebody had been stabbed through the chest

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and required to have their chest opened

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in the resuscitation room.

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I remember, one night, coming in and the nurses telling me

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that resus was a bit busy with some stabbings, and I came in to find that

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the patient in the first cubicle was already undergoing

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a thoracotomy - having their chest opened -

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and the cardiothoracic team were in attendance.

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The patient in the next cubicle had a sword sticking out of his eye,

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and the patient in the third cubicle -

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all three were from separate incidents -

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had suffered a horrific number of machete

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wounds all over his body and unfortunately he died.

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In fact, all three of them died.

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I recall one where two brothers arrived

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simultaneously from the same gang fight.

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Typically, they both had the injury which we very often see,

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which is a fairly small one to two centimetre length wound,

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usually on the left side of the chest,

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and they both had an identical wound in virtually identical places,

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on the left side of the chest.

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One of them had a collapsed lung, and the other one was dead.

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They were in separate rooms.

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I think the hardest bit was

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when the brother who was not dead was asking me how his brother was.

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And all I could really say was, "He's next door."

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Erm...

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Eventually, of course, you have to break it to them,

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but very difficult.

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It's always difficult when it's young people.

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Erm...

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One of the hardest bits of the job is telling any family member that

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an another family member has died.

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It's difficult enough telling a young person that a parent or

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a grandparent has died,

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but it's really difficult telling a parent that a child has died.

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Erm...

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Just have to do it.

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So much of the violence I saw ten years ago was a tragic

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waste of young life.

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In 2007, I photographed the location of one such incident.

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I had just finished night shift, actually,

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I had just finished night shift at the Queen Mother's Hospital.

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My sister lives facing me, so she lives across the road.

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And she came running, about 20 past 12, I think,

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and shouted that James had been stabbed.

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So we drove, frantically, and got to the street that it was on and

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knew instinctively that that's where he was, because the crowd of people,

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and lots of screaming and James lying in the street,

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with somebody behind him holding a towel,

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and two police hovering over him.

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And, I think, screaming at them, "What's happened to him?"

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And at that point, somebody said that he'd been stabbed.

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I didnae know where, didnae know how many times.

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And I think I automatically must have went into nurse mode and was just

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thinking, "Oh, my God, he's injured." I knew by his face - he was pale,

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and his eyes were rolling slightly.

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I couldn't find a pulse at first.

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I remember that, I remember feeling his neck and thinking,

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"He's got to have a pulse cos I can see his eyes."

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But I think it was just me, my adrenaline was too high

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and I definitely...

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I look back at that now and I think, "Where was my instincts as a mother?

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"Should I just have taken him in my arms and let him

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"know I was there as his mum?"

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And I never. I totally went into nurse mode and...

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If I could stabilise him in any way, or anything we could have done,

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so I know my brain switched to some automatic mode that somebody's

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injured and I need to help them.

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Five times he stabbed him.

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He stabbed him in the clavicle, I think.

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I think a rib.

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And he stabbed him in the back,

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which went through his aorta, so he stabbed him in the big,

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major aortic artery of the heart.

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And that's why he bled and bled and that's what killed him,

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the last stabbing was the one that killed him.

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That's why he collapsed where he fell.

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And then fortunately someone came and got us, and took us to the Royal.

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I just had this belief that they'll save him,

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and things started to get better and he started to become more stable

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and they were moving him, and everybody left,

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and when everybody left, it's like a sigh of relief.

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"If all these important people don't need to be there, he's fine."

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And I remember the picture of a lone nurse over him,

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taking off the machines, as I left.

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And within seconds of leaving,

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she came and he had went into cardiac arrest

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and somebody's over him doing CPR,

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and other people start to come back again,

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and you still don't believe,

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and you're watching them, and...

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..the next minute, everybody stops,

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and his heart stops,

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his life stops and your life stops somewhere then as well.

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And he then becomes part of a crime scene,

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and you're thrown into something

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that is the most unimaginable process you'll ever experience.

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And...

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..they quite easily take off all the drips

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and take off all the machines

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and you're left with James, but it's no' James.

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Nothing's ever the same again, I suppose.

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Part of your heart stops when his stops.

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The murder of Joyce's son James

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wasn't an uncommon event in the Glasgow of that time,

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and the level of serious violence I encountered only a decade ago

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was truly horrific.

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That violence is still out there,

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only now it seems it's happening much less frequently.

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SIREN WAILS

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Just before I finished filming with the Glasgow paramedics,

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we were called to a serious assault involving a bladed weapon.

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It was only the second incident of its type

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I had witnessed in six months.

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We're responding to...

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We're responding to a call just now

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where it's reported that two males have been stabbed at an address.

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It appears one of them may not still be alive at this point in time.

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All we're being told is that the place is covered in blood

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and someone is either unconscious or in cardiac arrest.

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Right, onto the couch. Come on.

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-All right, I'm going.

-Come on up.

-Go and get a wee seat.

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Come on, you're losing a lot of blood. Sit up on the couch, eh?

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We'd never harm each other in any way.

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Right, so what happened tonight, then?

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His wife left him, eh... four months ago.

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-What's happened to your hand?

-I don't know. He attacked me with a knife.

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-He attacked you with a knife? Where is the knife?

-I've no idea.

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Do what the guy tells you!

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Do what the person tells you.

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Do as the paramedics are telling you, they've got a job to do, right?

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There was a difference between you and your pal.

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I don't even know if I've got pressure on where it is, John.

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Where is it?

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Is it his thumb? OK.

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I can't feel the thumb.

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I'm not surprised.

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It's a bit severed. You know?

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-You're joking.

-We can see your bone.

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Oh, no.

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-Up. Stand up.

-What are you doing?

-You need to stand up. OK?

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Everything is absolutely covered.

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MAN WHIMPERS

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You're gonnae be fine.

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HE TALKS, MUFFLED THROUGH OXYGEN MASK

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You're going to be fine, right?

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You've lost an awful lot of blood, pet.

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You're just going to feel a sharp scratch in the back of your hand.

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-Why did he do that?

-I don't know.

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I need you to sit nice and still for me.

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-Nice and still.

-OK.

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Well done.

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-You've had an awful lot to drink tonight, eh?

-Yeah.

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But I don't know what happened to him.

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He just turned psychotic.

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A lot of blood.

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Do you see this wee chair here?

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That's what you're going to need to sit on, pal.

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You keep your arm up. Can you manage to stand?

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Watch. It's awful slippy, right?

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-One step forward.

-Right.

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I know, these things happen when you're least expecting it.

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Hello, GRI. Just to advise you, we're bringing a stand-by in.

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It's a male in his 50s, knife wounds to his right hand.

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He's lost quite an extensive amount of blood on the scene.

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He is conscious but intoxicated,

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still bleeding at the moment.

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ETA, four minutes.

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RADIO CRACKLES

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He's GCS 15, saturating at 99,

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pulse of 88, blood pressure 106/91.

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Roger.

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-Watch the swing.

-Watch your toes.

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Awful high up, so keep the seat...

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-You watch what you're doing.

-On you go.

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You can have situations some nights in this job

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where four, five, six ambulances are all off-loading one after the other.

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And each person, each patient

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that's being brought into the casualty department,

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in some shape or form,

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has arrived there due to the amount of alcohol they've consumed.

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Either they've injured themselves

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or they've become unwell or they've been involved in a violent incident,

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they've got into a fight, but in some shape or form...

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..the root cause of it is the misuse of alcohol or the overuse of alcohol.

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Can you bend the tip of it down?

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An awful lot of times...

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..what I find hardest to deal with is mindless violence,

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I tend to call it mindless violence,

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where there's just no motive, there's no reason for it,

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but for some reason,

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a violent incident has taken place, someone is seriously injured,

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someone's lost their life and just for no apparent reason.

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Back when I started the original project,

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none of the violence I encountered seemed to make sense either.

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And for once, it seemed the press weren't sensationalising the situation.

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In fact, many incidents went unreported.

0:22:460:22:48

But fast-forward ten years

0:22:500:22:52

and I've only encountered two serious knife assaults

0:22:520:22:55

in six months of filming.

0:22:550:22:57

It seems to me that the city has had enough, and something is changing.

0:22:570:23:01

I think as a city, we've moved on significantly.

0:23:030:23:06

See, with Easterhouse, one of our local housing schemes,

0:23:080:23:12

there used to be... well, there still is,

0:23:120:23:15

but gangs and areas up there that were defined by gangs.

0:23:150:23:20

And now, I mean, I was born and bred in Easterhouse,

0:23:200:23:24

I lived my life there, and when I was growing up in the '70s and '80s,

0:23:240:23:29

there was a lot of gang culture,

0:23:290:23:32

but now you go up, you go back and you speak to some of these folk,

0:23:320:23:36

or you go into one of the surgeries to speak

0:23:360:23:39

and you mention the name of any gang, and it's frowned upon.

0:23:390:23:43

It's like, "No, we don't talk about gangs here any more."

0:23:430:23:46

I mean, you could name loads of different initiatives there

0:23:470:23:50

that are all chipping away

0:23:500:23:53

and collectively, they're making a big difference.

0:23:530:23:56

Since you were last in doing the photographic projects,

0:24:030:24:06

violence has reduced.

0:24:060:24:09

We've been counting it, and we are able to demonstrate

0:24:090:24:14

an actual reduction in the number of violent attenders.

0:24:140:24:18

I think the work of the Violence Reduction Unit has been key

0:24:180:24:22

and I think information sharing we had been involved with earlier on

0:24:220:24:27

allowed them to target specific areas where violence was occurring.

0:24:270:24:31

Furthermore, I think the Medics Against Violence initiative

0:24:310:24:36

where doctors have been going into schools

0:24:360:24:39

and speaking to young schoolchildren

0:24:390:24:41

and showing them the devastating effect on individuals and families

0:24:410:24:48

of violent activities. Added to that, I think

0:24:480:24:51

the courts are taking a much tougher line with knife carrying,

0:24:510:24:54

and I can only assume that all these things combined

0:24:540:24:57

and other community projects

0:24:570:24:59

and the work of the youth groups working with young people

0:24:590:25:03

has all combined to have a positive effect,

0:25:030:25:06

and I can definitely say that we are seeing a difference.

0:25:060:25:09

Back when violence in Glasgow was at its worst,

0:25:130:25:16

a body was set up to devise a strategy for murder reduction

0:25:160:25:19

in the city, and it became known as the Violence Reduction Unit.

0:25:190:25:23

The VRU has largely been responsible for a complete overhaul

0:25:240:25:28

in the way violent crime is tackled in Glasgow today,

0:25:280:25:31

and violence prevention has become its key objective.

0:25:310:25:35

John Carnochan, a former murder detective,

0:25:350:25:38

was involved in setting the unit up.

0:25:380:25:40

Criminal justice is the service of last resort.

0:25:410:25:44

By the time it comes to policing and prisons, it's all over.

0:25:440:25:47

I heard a great expression

0:25:470:25:50

the other day when someone said,

0:25:500:25:52

"Building more prisons to deal with violence

0:25:520:25:55

"is like building more graveyards to deal with AIDS."

0:25:550:25:59

It's absolutely stupid and it doesn't make sense.

0:25:590:26:02

Changing attitudes to violence amongst young people

0:26:030:26:06

is at the heart of what the VRU is doing,

0:26:060:26:09

and amongst many schemes started by the unit

0:26:090:26:11

is the Community Initiative to Reduce Violence, or CIRV.

0:26:110:26:16

CIRV was founded in 2008

0:26:160:26:18

initially to target gang violence in the East End of Glasgow.

0:26:180:26:23

We decided to speak to the gang members

0:26:230:26:25

because we knew who they were.

0:26:250:26:26

We decided to tell them to stop doing it because we'd had enough

0:26:260:26:29

and they were having a bad effect on their committees,

0:26:290:26:32

and we decided to offer them alternatives,

0:26:320:26:35

and that was the simple message with CIRV.

0:26:350:26:39

Of course, the complication was,

0:26:390:26:41

we had to get all the partners around the table to coordinate

0:26:410:26:44

the services they delivered, and that was a challenge,

0:26:440:26:49

but we managed it with most of the partners.

0:26:490:26:51

And as a result, you know,

0:26:530:26:56

gang fighting in the East End of Glasgow at the end of CIRV

0:26:560:26:59

was evaluated by the University of St Andrews and Peter Donald's team.

0:26:590:27:03

It was down 53%. 53%!

0:27:030:27:06

The CIRV initiative wouldn't have been a success

0:27:130:27:16

without the involvement of a host of organisations

0:27:160:27:18

and individuals striving to change the culture of violence in Glasgow.

0:27:180:27:22

Over the past ten years, I've had the privilege of working closely

0:27:240:27:28

with a number of such groups across the city.

0:27:280:27:30

The Argo Boxing Club is one such organisation,

0:27:320:27:35

based in Drumchapel and run by Davey Savage and his team.

0:27:350:27:39

Another is FARE - Family Action in Rogerfield and Easterhouse.

0:27:410:27:46

Founded 25 years ago, FARE was started by local people to provide

0:27:470:27:51

social amenities in a neighbourhood that previously had none.

0:27:510:27:55

In 2003, aided by a grant from Comic Relief,

0:27:570:28:01

FARE took the unprecedented step of creating a position

0:28:010:28:04

for someone to explicitly target the issue of gang violence.

0:28:040:28:08

That someone was Jimmy Wilson.

0:28:080:28:10

When the council built these houses in the '50s,

0:28:120:28:15

they were fantastic houses,

0:28:150:28:17

but there's more to building a community than just houses.

0:28:170:28:20

About 80,000 people moved from the slums of Glasgow

0:28:220:28:26

into Easterhouse with absolutely no amenities,

0:28:260:28:29

nothing that could bring them together as a community.

0:28:290:28:34

There was no youth clubs, there was no churches.

0:28:340:28:37

The police station wasn't built until the '70s,

0:28:380:28:41

the Shandwick Shopping Centre wasn't built until the '70s,

0:28:410:28:45

there was no employment, people had nothing to do,

0:28:450:28:48

youths had nothing to do,

0:28:480:28:51

they would get bored and therefore territorial divides were raised.

0:28:510:28:57

And the territorial divides have plagued not only Easterhouse

0:28:570:29:01

but other areas of the West of Scotland and beyond for decades.

0:29:010:29:06

It's the reason why FARE is here, because there was nothing to do

0:29:080:29:11

and the local residents wanted something within their community,

0:29:110:29:15

to have and hold, to be a community.

0:29:150:29:19

However, by that time, the gangs were already here,

0:29:210:29:24

and generation after generation got involved in the gangs

0:29:240:29:28

and unfortunately, many, many, many young people lost their lives

0:29:280:29:32

through knife crime and various other forms of violence.

0:29:320:29:35

SEAGULLS CAW

0:29:370:29:39

FARE engage with young people in a variety of different ways.

0:29:490:29:53

In addition to school programmes, youth clubs and residentials,

0:29:530:29:57

FARE also work closely with housing and police

0:29:570:30:00

to target specific areas and groups of troubled youths.

0:30:000:30:03

My involvement with FARE has been to run photographic workshops

0:30:060:30:10

with groups of young people.

0:30:100:30:12

Through photography, they are encouraged to articulate

0:30:120:30:16

the positive and negative aspects of their lives.

0:30:160:30:19

I see it as a positive.

0:30:230:30:25

-The bridge.

-The bridge.

0:30:250:30:27

THEY LAUGH

0:30:290:30:31

Berry.

0:30:320:30:34

Berry's ma!

0:30:340:30:36

That's both.

0:30:390:30:40

-Gangs?

-Why's it both?

0:30:400:30:42

Because you get into trouble.

0:30:420:30:44

-What's this?

-That's cool, man.

0:30:460:30:49

-That's brilliant.

-Wicked.

-Wicky-wicked!

0:30:500:30:54

Keep that in there for another wee...

0:30:540:30:57

STAPLER CLICKS

0:30:570:30:58

THEY LAUGH

0:30:580:31:00

-Staple that onto him.

-No, don't fucking staple it on!

0:31:000:31:04

That'd be funny.

0:31:040:31:06

Hey, can I put it in there now?

0:31:060:31:08

-Is that about a minute?

-That's about three minutes.

0:31:080:31:11

-Can I?

-Put it into the stop bath, then.

-12, 11,

0:31:110:31:14

ten, nine, eight, seven, five, four, three, two, one, is that it?

0:31:140:31:17

Is that it?

0:31:170:31:19

You take your printout first.

0:31:190:31:21

I just sat on that. What if it burns me?

0:31:210:31:23

-Can I hairdry it?

-Yeah, go for it.

0:31:330:31:36

Looks good.

0:31:420:31:44

So what is the significance of the bridge, then?

0:31:440:31:47

-What's the signifisence...

-Significance!

0:31:470:31:50

HE COUGHS

0:31:500:31:51

What does it mean? I'll tell you.

0:31:510:31:53

The bridge? Why did you photograph the bridge?

0:31:530:31:56

Because it's a negative.

0:31:560:31:57

-Why is it negative?

-Because people fight on it.

0:31:570:32:00

Some of the young people we've worked with over the years

0:32:050:32:08

have come from nothing short of horrendous backgrounds

0:32:080:32:11

and one of the main issues that FARE have as an organisation

0:32:110:32:15

is that if a young person is involved in gang violence,

0:32:150:32:20

then society only see the tip of that,

0:32:200:32:25

ie they see that the actual violence which is going on that

0:32:250:32:29

that young person is involved in.

0:32:290:32:32

What society potentially don't see is the horrendous life and background

0:32:320:32:38

that that young person has come from.

0:32:380:32:40

My name's Dean Crawford

0:32:590:33:01

and I'm just going to tell you a bit about my life.

0:33:010:33:03

When I was obviously just a baba and I had a stable family,

0:33:030:33:09

a mum and dad, my three big sisters, everything was fine.

0:33:090:33:13

I had a house, my family was brilliant.

0:33:130:33:17

When I turned three, it was my First Communion

0:33:170:33:21

and we all went to my auntie's house, had a big party and things.

0:33:210:33:25

Stuff just kicked off outside.

0:33:250:33:27

My dad went out to try and sort it, and things just went upside-down

0:33:270:33:32

and my dad got murdered that night.

0:33:320:33:34

Ever since then, things just had a bad cycle, kept going worse

0:33:340:33:39

and worse and worse, so when I was starting school and things,

0:33:390:33:43

I started to notice that my mum was drinking every day

0:33:430:33:46

and it was getting worse, soon she was waking up,

0:33:460:33:49

there was a bottle of vodka beside her on the couch

0:33:490:33:52

and things like that, and I started to realise this

0:33:520:33:55

and I started to realise that she wasnae stable enough to get up

0:33:550:33:59

and check me for hings and stop me frae doing hings,

0:33:590:34:02

so I just thought I could be bad all the time and get away with it.

0:34:020:34:06

One of the things that FARE do is that once we get to know a group,

0:34:090:34:13

and we get to see who maybe the leader is of that group,

0:34:130:34:17

we try and recruit him.

0:34:170:34:19

We were running a Friday night, Friday and Saturday night project

0:34:190:34:24

called Op Phoenix, and I was running that one night

0:34:240:34:27

and in walked the bold Dean.

0:34:270:34:29

And when he walked in, he had everybody walking behind him,

0:34:310:34:34

so he was quite clearly one of the main dudes.

0:34:340:34:38

I was in primary seven, and I was away on a residential for a week,

0:34:390:34:44

and we went away on the Monday and on the Wednesday, my mum had died

0:34:440:34:48

with obviously alcohol and things,

0:34:480:34:50

and I came back to my auntie's house and everybody was in,

0:34:500:34:54

and I thought they were all there to see me, but they werenae.

0:34:540:34:58

It was just to tell me that obviously my mum had died.

0:34:580:35:01

I just thought the best thing to do was just hang about with my pals

0:35:010:35:06

and cause fights with everybody else,

0:35:060:35:08

and it was just constant children's panels, children's panels,

0:35:080:35:12

getting involved with the polis, getting suspended frae school.

0:35:120:35:16

Going into fourth year, just afore my exams,

0:35:160:35:19

and the teachers, just going, "Aye, yeah," the way I was with them,

0:35:190:35:22

and trying to pick fights with them and things,

0:35:220:35:25

and they just had enough of me and they kicked me out.

0:35:250:35:28

When you're walking through the gorge,

0:35:320:35:35

it's very important that you face the wall...

0:35:350:35:37

Jimmy found out that I'd been kicked out of school,

0:35:370:35:41

and phoned me up and asked me if I wanted to come and work for FARE.

0:35:410:35:46

He sat me down afore it,

0:35:460:35:48

and he said to me, "Look, you've got to just

0:35:480:35:53

"think about all the things that you're doing and let them all go."

0:35:530:35:56

He said, "You can't do it any more, you're going to be a role model,

0:35:560:36:00

"to, obviously, the younger kids that you're going to work with."

0:36:000:36:04

And he was like that, "I'll give you half an hour to think about it.

0:36:040:36:08

"Go and take a walk, and then

0:36:080:36:10

"come back to me and tell me if you want to continue on with it."

0:36:100:36:13

My heid was going 90

0:36:150:36:17

just trying to figure out how is this going to be possible

0:36:170:36:21

to stay out of trouble, and things like that.

0:36:210:36:24

But I went back and I said, "Aye, I'll take it."

0:36:240:36:28

I went in for the interview and I was successful in it.

0:36:280:36:32

And I had got the job,

0:36:320:36:35

and that's just when my life started to get better.

0:36:350:36:40

Look at Andrew.

0:36:400:36:42

THEY LAUGH

0:36:420:36:43

Andrew!

0:36:440:36:46

No, no!

0:36:470:36:48

JIMMY: He was close to taking the wrong road.

0:36:500:36:53

He's had a bit of a rough ride in his life,

0:36:530:36:57

and he's now using that rough ride to work with young people...

0:36:570:37:04

Oh, my babby.

0:37:040:37:06

..and help them in their lives. And a couple of months ago,

0:37:060:37:11

he won the Unsung Hero Award from the Sunday Mail

0:37:110:37:14

for the whole of Scotland, which was fantastic for him, you know,

0:37:140:37:18

he got dressed up in a kilt, had a really, really nice night.

0:37:180:37:21

His three sisters came to the event. It was brilliant.

0:37:210:37:24

So it was massive, it was massive for the community. He's from Easterhouse.

0:37:250:37:29

He's a local boy from Easterhouse.

0:37:290:37:31

There's not many local boys from Easterhouse who can say

0:37:310:37:35

they've won the Unsung Hero Award.

0:37:350:37:36

In Drumchapel, on the other side of the city, is the Argo Boxing Club.

0:37:440:37:48

It's run by Davey Savage and his mate Paul McCann.

0:37:480:37:52

I've known Davey for over 30 years, when at the age of ten,

0:37:550:37:58

I started boxing, and he was just turning professional.

0:37:580:38:02

He's been an Argo club member one way or another

0:38:020:38:05

for most of his adult life.

0:38:050:38:07

They opened the club up when I was young. I was about 13, 14.

0:38:080:38:12

And my first time in the club was to join the dancing,

0:38:120:38:15

the Kansas City Rockers.

0:38:150:38:17

I was in the Kansas City Rockers for three weeks, but Jimmy Harvey

0:38:170:38:21

had opened a boxing club at the same time as well, so I joined the boxing.

0:38:210:38:25

Because my dad was a boxer and I always liked boxing,

0:38:250:38:29

so I joined the boxing and the dancing.

0:38:290:38:32

So either we came to boxing or dancing, and unfortunately,

0:38:320:38:35

I stuck to the boxing.

0:38:350:38:37

And that has been my life ever since.

0:38:370:38:40

This is what is left of the old Argo Centre.

0:38:470:38:50

In 2010, council funding was removed

0:38:500:38:53

and the club was burnt to the ground shortly afterwards,

0:38:530:38:56

depriving the community

0:38:560:38:57

of a much-needed amenity for its young people.

0:38:570:39:01

That was from 1974 until 2010. It shut down.

0:39:010:39:06

And within two weeks, it was set on fire and burnt,

0:39:060:39:09

and now it's lying empty.

0:39:090:39:10

A big ground lying empty that they could use for youth clubs kids.

0:39:100:39:14

And now they've got nothing.

0:39:140:39:15

Lack of money on the council, they have.

0:39:170:39:20

A lack of trying, the council have!

0:39:200:39:22

Davey didn't take the loss of the old Argo Centre lying down.

0:39:240:39:28

New premises were leased and eventually,

0:39:280:39:31

a new Argo Boxing Club emerged from little more than a burnt-out shell.

0:39:310:39:35

Home!

0:39:380:39:40

This is the club, this is the building we got when we came in.

0:39:540:39:58

So you can see, that it looks pretty good, so this is...

0:39:580:40:02

When we came in, there was no ceiling. This is a new build.

0:40:020:40:06

New doors, new lighting, new everything.

0:40:060:40:09

This was just a shell,

0:40:090:40:11

so we've taken over and we've done well with it so far. So...

0:40:110:40:15

-It was just brick walls?

-It was just brick walls.

0:40:150:40:18

Just brick walls, no ceiling. No lighting. No nothing.

0:40:180:40:23

There was three inch of water in here,

0:40:230:40:25

cos the vandals came in and they had the copper pipes for scrap,

0:40:250:40:29

so we managed to get the flooding out and get that sorted.

0:40:290:40:33

So, this is coming on good now. It looks the part.

0:40:330:40:36

In my early youth, staying in Kendoon, tenements everywhere,

0:40:430:40:47

gangs everywhere.

0:40:470:40:49

So the boxing gave me an escape to maybe get away from the gangs,

0:40:490:40:53

but I did get involved with some young boys

0:40:530:40:56

and we did things that young boys done.

0:40:560:40:58

When we were about 15, we used to go into the Clydebank and fight

0:41:000:41:04

with boys of the Clydebank, and boys of the Clydebank would fight us.

0:41:040:41:08

Because I think then, a Friday night, if I wasn't at boxing,

0:41:080:41:11

the boxing was on a Monday and Thursday then.

0:41:110:41:14

So it was four different gangs in the Drumchapel areas

0:41:140:41:18

and a lot of the boys I knew involved with weapons,

0:41:180:41:22

and some of them got stabbed, some of them got chipped.

0:41:220:41:26

But that was one thing which I was never involved with.

0:41:260:41:29

I didn't like weapons, I always used my hands and fought with my hands,

0:41:290:41:33

but as I got to about 16, I was getting in more and more fights.

0:41:330:41:36

I was getting wee chances of winning championships and that,

0:41:360:41:39

so it was the boxing kept me away from a lot of the violence.

0:41:390:41:45

It really done me good.

0:41:450:41:46

Ten, nine, eight,

0:41:530:41:56

seven, six, five,

0:41:560:42:00

four, three, two, one.

0:42:000:42:04

Go faster! Ten, nine, eight,

0:42:070:42:11

seven, six, five,

0:42:110:42:15

four, three, two, one.

0:42:150:42:19

The kids from Drumchapel, the kids from Clydebank,

0:42:260:42:29

kids from Bearsden, kids from Maryhill,

0:42:290:42:33

and most importantly, it's to get all these kids involved

0:42:330:42:36

with each other, and so they've got pals everywhere.

0:42:360:42:39

No enemies, no-one has a fear to go from Drumchapel to

0:42:390:42:42

Clydebank to Maryhill.

0:42:420:42:44

They've got the confidence,

0:42:440:42:45

because they know different people from different areas.

0:42:450:42:49

It's Thursday night. Fight night. Fight night Thursday.

0:42:560:42:59

That's at the Albion Social Club in Yoker,

0:42:590:43:02

they're having an amateur show.

0:43:020:43:04

All of these boys, they're all fighting on this show,

0:43:040:43:06

so we're just getting them prepared for Thursday.

0:43:060:43:10

Hopefully, we'll have four winners or five winners.

0:43:100:43:14

One of the boys isn't here yet. Hopefully, five winners.

0:43:140:43:18

Keep going! That's it!

0:43:180:43:21

Keep going!

0:43:230:43:26

An event on this scale means several months of organisation over

0:43:260:43:29

and above the coaching commitments of the Argo team.

0:43:290:43:32

No-one is paid for what they do,

0:43:320:43:34

and it's this hard work at a grassroots level,

0:43:340:43:37

here and in other parts of the city, that is making a difference.

0:43:370:43:41

Against all odds, the Argo club has not only been rebuilt,

0:43:430:43:46

virtually from scratch,

0:43:460:43:48

but they have doubled the club's opening hours to five nights a week.

0:43:480:43:52

More young people than ever, now benefit from this essential

0:43:520:43:55

service to the community.

0:43:550:43:57

And across the ring in the red corner,

0:44:040:44:06

wearing black shorts with white trim, official weight 43.2 kilos,

0:44:060:44:10

boxing right here for the Argo, here's Kieran Smith!

0:44:100:44:17

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:44:170:44:20

BELL RINGS

0:44:210:44:23

SHOUTS OF ENCOURAGEMENT

0:44:250:44:28

Come on, Kieran! Fight, Kieran!

0:44:310:44:33

The most important thing is for kids to get involved with sport

0:44:500:44:53

and get fit. Whether I get a boxer or a football player,

0:44:530:44:56

but if I get a kid from the ages of 11 to 15, 16, they are away

0:44:560:45:00

from that drug and alcohol system, and that is the bad age.

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From 15 - 14, 15, 16, they are starting to try things

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with their pals, alcohol, drink, smoking, drugs.

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If you can get them in the club at that age,

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get them involved with the sport, get them training,

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get them away a couple of weekends, then they know,

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there's more to life than drink

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and drugs, hundreds of things to do in life.

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The plan for this morning is, we're going to run a DVD to show,

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really, the bits that we see that possibly you don't see.

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The bits that people who have carried out violence,

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who have had violence carried out on them, who've had family members

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that were affected by violence, professionals trying

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to treat people affected by violence,

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to show what it looks like.

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Medics Against Violence, or MAV,

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is another group I've been involved with.

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It's a charity set up in 2008 and runs programmes that visit schools

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with the aim of educating young people on the impact of violence.

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I'm proud to have some of the original project photographs

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as part of the programme.

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Michael Murray is a consultant anaesthetist who has been

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involved with MAV from its outset.

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We introduce ourselves, we show a DVD,

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and the DVD contains stories of people who have been

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involved in violence, you know on the receiving end,

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been the perpetrators,

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been professionals that have been dealing with violence.

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They show the impact it makes.

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A 14-year-old boy had taken a bottle of Buckfast from one

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of the other gang members, from the opposite gang.

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And he took a drink of it.

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Therefore, that gang then pulled a screwdriver out on this young

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boy and stabbed him several times,

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one of which went in the front of him and out the back.

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He's screaming for his mum. He just kept saying, I don't want to die.

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I don't want to die. And his clothes were soaked with blood.

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By that point, we contacted the ambulance and they came

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and it was just at that point, it was too late, the wee boy had died.

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You know, right in front of my eyes.

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Part of the school talks are also to dispel myths that carrying

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a knife keeps you safe.

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We've probably spoken to something like 13,000 children

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across the West of Scotland in particular so far,

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but we have covered larger areas as well.

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And really, it seems to have had a significant impact.

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If you ever go out at night, does your mother ever say,

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are you going out, son or hen? Take a machete with you.

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Or take a handgun.

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You know, mums are usually people that try to keep you safe.

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But if you're carrying a weapon, what it does is,

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it does the opposite. It makes you...

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Carrying a weapon changes your behaviour.

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And they put you at risk.

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Like many of his colleagues involved with MAV,

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Michael's motivation for volunteering in the programme

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stems from his personal experiences,

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prepping victims of violent assault for surgery.

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There was one particular case, a boy had been standing at a bus stop.

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Another man had been in a fight earlier,

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decided to go out with a baseball bat and get revenge on who

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he thought perpetrated the initial incident.

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He couldn't find him,

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so this boy, who was about 21, 22, was standing at a bus stop

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and this guy struck him over the head with a baseball bat.

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Just one blow, walked off, the chap was found.

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He had died about four or five days later,

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and at some point, you suddenly think, this is just insane!

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It achieves nothing and it is happening all the time.

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When you going to work on a daily basis, and half of your very

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expensive to run intensive care unit is full of assault victims

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and people who, frankly, are going to need to be

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cared for for the rest of your life at enormous cost to the

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taxpayer. And at that stage, and a few weeks after that,

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Medics Against Violence almost happened to run

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their official launch here. And I thought, if we could change

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and prevent this from happening,

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this would be a much better way to go, so when Medics Against Violence

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launched, I thought it seemed like the ideal opportunity

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to actually move in to try to stop some of these things happening.

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Well, that's eight years since you were here.

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And in that eight years, there's a huge leap forward.

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That's not saying it won't go back, that we

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won't ever have wee spurts, we always will,

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but in the main, I think it is going in the right direction.

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Medics Against Violence was thought up by a few doctors.

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In other words, they were a bit fed up with patching folk up,

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young men, patching them up,

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sending them out and then the same men are re-presenting again

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a few months later with more slashing, stabbing wounds,

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anything like that.

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In the main, it's just all doctors and us being paramedics,

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we were thinking, we're the ones in the forefront of this,

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we're the ones that are the first contact that these patients have,

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and we thought we have something we could give to this.

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And they accepted us,

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they put us through the training and we've been going into schools.

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Hopefully, that does change people's perceptions.

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There's no point talking to adults who walk about with knives,

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because you're not going to change all their minds,

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they're going to be walking about with knives.

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But if you get to youngsters

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and change their perceptions young enough, hopefully, they'll grow

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up to be sensible young men that won't need

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to walk about with a knife.

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We only ever hear about the bad things in Glasgow,

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how violent it is, and it is violent.

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But it's getting better, and there are so many young, inspirational

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people in Scotland, and especially in Glasgow, young men and women that

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are making a difference to their lives and other people's lives.

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And it's trying to take that forward and just give them a chance,

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just let young people have a chance, let them get an education,

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let them experience things that are there to be experienced.

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And let them live.

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And hopefully, let their parents see them

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grow up and enjoy them until they're old and grey.

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And that is just something I will never have the chance to do.

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It's a passion for me, it is

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a passion for most of the people that work for FARE.

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And it's a little bit of passion for most youth workers.

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It's not about the money.

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It's very poorly paid, in my opinion, for what we do.

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But it is a crucial part of society now,

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that youth workers can have an influence on young people's lives

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and get them to the next stage in life.

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But it's not just about the worker,

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it's about that youth worker working in partnership with schools

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and education and police and housing and a whole host of other things.

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But the young person needs to be able to trust you.

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To get the benefit out of the relationship,

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the young person needs to be able to trust you.

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And young people do like rules in their life. They like boundaries.

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Because that is why they try to overstep them.

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If there's no boundaries there, then the game is not as fun.

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I've had lots of bad days, young people getting killed,

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stabbed, wounded.

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Having an impact on people,

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sometimes it falls on deaf ears, you know, and one of my worst days was

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when a young person I worked quite closely with got 17 years for murder.

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I found that quite sad that I had the possibility to influence that

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young person and yet, when they were 18 years old,

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they felt the need to go out and stab somebody.

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Quite horrendously, actually.

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And that is sad. Pretty sad.

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So they're not good days.

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We see young people getting on in life and doing really,

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really well for themselves. Magic.

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They come back to you years later and thank you. Thanks very much.

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That's my way of looking at the negatives,

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if I look at the negatives, there are far more positives.

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So, although sad at the time, you need to get on,

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because if you don't get on,

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you can't help other young people in future, and that's the way I see it.

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Tonight, there's going to be a rave in the Bridge, there's

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going to be over 400 young people from how many areas?

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-From 16 different areas.

-16 different areas.

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There's going to be six different, 68 different acts performing. GBX.

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-GB Experience!

-George Bowie.

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The main act, so that's attracting all of these young people.

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-What about James Kerr?

-Aye, James Kerr.

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This is probably about the 10th, 8th, 10th rave?

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Numbers have been quite good in the past,

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but this is the biggest rave we've had. So...

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It will be, it should be good.

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These raves that we're going to tonight only started about two

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years ago. When I was younger, it was the project raves,

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which were very small-scale, compared to these.

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You probably had about 30 wee dafties in a wee hall for the one

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scheme, sometimes two,

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but they are very small compared to what we can do now,

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because you couldn't obviously integrate so many rival areas.

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HE TOOTS THE BUS HORN

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But ten year ago, some of us saw the work that happened

0:55:430:55:46

in the past years, we can now bring all these different areas together.

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LOUD MUSIC PLAYS

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HE LAUGHS AND SINGS

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THEY LAUGH

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I think it was about 20 organisations,

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all working together for the same goal, to ensure that young

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people had a great time, and that is what partnership work is about,

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and that is the community spirit that we have now

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in the north-east about all of these organisations coming together,

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for the benefit of the young people

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and the communities that we serve in.

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DANCE MUSIC PLAYS

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What's happening here tonight is amazing.

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400 young people are here from 16 different areas of the city,

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all having a great time.

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Back when I started the knife crime project, an event like this

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couldn't have happened without some kind of violence kicking off.

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There's no doubt that Glasgow still has its problems, especially

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when alcohol and weapons are combined.

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But since I have finished the project,

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knife attacks in Glasgow have dropped by 57%,

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and in the last year, fatal stabbings are down by 23%.

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Tonight proves that the interventions

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coming from a diverse group of organisations and individuals,

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are working better than anyone could have hoped for.

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# And I said hey, yeah, yeah, yeah

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# Hey, yeah, yeah... #

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It was a great night. You know, fantastic night,

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and that's what it's about. Young people enjoying themselves.

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You don't need to be running about with a knife in your hand

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and a brick and a bottle to enjoy yourself.

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It's showing young people an alternative to violence.

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# I said hey

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# What's going on? #

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# And I cry sometimes when I'm lying in bed

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# Just to get it all out, what's in my head

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# And I, I am feeling a little peculiar

0:58:280:58:34

# And so I wake in the morning and I step outside

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# And I take deep breath and I get real high

0:58:390:58:42

# And I scream from the top of my lungs

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# What's goin' on?! #

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