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When Pan Am Flight 103 exploded in these skies, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
the nose cone came crashing down in this field. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
25 years on, the wreckage has long since been lifted, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
but the aftereffects of the bombing are still being felt, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
reverberating in the lives of those who responded to the emergency | 0:00:58 | 0:01:03 | |
and those who lost loved ones at Lockerbie. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
This is their story, the story of those who picked up the pieces, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:12 | |
the story of those left behind to make sense of madness. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
This couple found love in the heartbreak of Lockerbie. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
Most people we tell the story to, they say, "Oh, my God. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
"I've got goose bumps. I can't believe it." | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
This mother has only just learned of her loss. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
And it finally dawned on me that it WAS right. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
And I just said, "My God. My baby's dead." | 0:01:37 | 0:01:42 | |
This woman found it in herself to forgive the bombers. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
I refused to allow myself to become bitter, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
because if I became bitter, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
I would be no different than the terrorist. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
I'd be responding in hate just the way they did. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
It's hard to imagine terrorism tearing apart | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
the tranquillity of life in Lockerbie. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
But it did. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
ALL: Three, two, one. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
CHEERING | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
25 years on, Christmas is once again a time for celebration here. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:22 | |
But it's a time for commemoration too, because this is a town | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
that will always share its name with a tragedy. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
A tragedy that struck four days before Christmas in 1988. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
# Silent night | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
# Holy night... # | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
We were sitting round the kitchen table, having supper. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
We heard what was like a loud crack of thunder. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
It was three minutes past seven - I remember the time exactly. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
The noise, I would say... I heard it get louder and louder. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
I look up and there's this enormous explosion. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:04 | |
I haven't seen anything... | 0:03:04 | 0:03:05 | |
I don't think anybody had seen anything quite like this. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
It was about 300 foot... It was a sort of fireball. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:13 | |
# Sleep in heavenly peace... # | 0:03:13 | 0:03:18 | |
A couple of minutes later, my sister arrived | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
to say that there was a plane down in the front field. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
'A Pan American Boeing 747 airliner crashed tonight. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
'It came down on the village of Lockerbie.' | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
I'd been to about 30 aircraft crashes from all kinds of things, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
so I thought I'd seen most things. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
'The jet demolished two rows of houses | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
'and the small town was left looking like a battlefield.' | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
It was mayhem. The place was on fire. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
The first thing I thought was Chapelcross. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
-The nuclear plant? -Yes, nuclear. Yes. And I thought... | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
I jumped in the ambulance, obviously doing my job, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
and I thought, "What the hell am I going to do here?" | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
# Silent night | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
# Holy night... # | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
It was like a scene from hell. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
I ran through and I must have seen 40, 50 bodies. Nobody was alive. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
I'll never forget that scene. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
It was complete and utter devastation of passengers | 0:04:18 | 0:04:23 | |
from this aircraft strewn across the road. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
Bodies lying in the immediate area in and around the cockpit. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
Pilot and copilot were still in there. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
People on roofs, people in trees, fires, the smell of fuel | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
and Christmas presents everywhere. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
I got on the radio and I said, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
"This is happened in Lockerbie, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
"it's in Lockerbie and it's a major disaster." | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
# Sleep in heavenly... | 0:04:47 | 0:04:54 | |
# Peace. # | 0:04:55 | 0:05:03 | |
In the years since the disaster, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
the damage to Lockerbie has been repaired. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
This town has moved on, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
as have many of those caught up in the carnage. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
But here's a remarkable thing. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
The blast that ripped apart Pan Am Flight 103 | 0:05:20 | 0:05:25 | |
and so many families around the world | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
has also been bringing people together ever since. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
Together in grief, in friendship, in remembrance. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
There are even those who fell in love | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
because of those who fell from the sky. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
In 1988, George White was an ambulance man in Lockerbie. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
Went back to the garage to get emergency blankets and equipment, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
and that's when I found Suzanne's body... | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
right at the door. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
So I checked... There was no way... I mean, I know she was dead, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
but I went through the motion, as you do. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
And... | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
Her body was right at the door. There's... There's... | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
The garage is there and there's a path | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
and there's a plot of grass about three feet wide | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
and she was in the grass. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
-You couldn't have missed her? -Oh, no. Oh, no. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
George didn't know it at the time, but the young woman he found | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
would change the course of his life. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
22-year-old Suzanne Miazga was a Syracuse University student | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
who'd spent a term at their London campus. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
An ocean away, her mother was waiting for her to come home. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
I was at work and my sister-in-law called me and she says, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
"Well, there's been a terrible plane accident." | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
I just...walked around with her picture and holding her picture. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:51 | |
And people were coming to the door and I didn't want them to come. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
I wanted it to be her that came to the door. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
As Anna Marie struggled to come to terms with her loss, in Lockerbie, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
George was struggling to cope with the enormity of what he had faced. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
We were trained to look after people and make them better if possible, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
but we couldn't do a thing. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
There was nothing anybody could do. Nothing. It bothered me no end. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
It was so bad that I saw the specialist doctor and he said, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
"If you felt that way, I think you should finish." | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
I did. I just retired there and then. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
So, what effect did events of that night and the days after, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
what effect did that have on you? | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
Oh, I cried and cried and cried in my sleep. I just... | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
My wife told me I cried every night. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
-You lost your confidence? -Yes. Completely. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
I still have nightmares. I still have nightmares. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
But I remember that I thought long and hard | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
about this girl that fell in the grass. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
I thought I should do something. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
So, I planted a rose tree. I had no idea who she was. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
Months later, a visitor to the site where Suzanne's body fell | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
gave George her name, and he wrote to Anna Marie. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
"First of all, I'd like to introduce myself. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
"My name is George White | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
"and I was leading ambulance man at Lockerbie ambulance station | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
"and was on duty that fateful night when so many lost their lives." | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
He wrote a beautiful letter that said that he would always | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
take care of the spot where she fell | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
and he would always remember her. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
What was that like for you, Anna Marie, to receive that letter? | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
That was wonderful. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
That somebody cared, you know? | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
George's gesture started an enduring friendship. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
Anna Marie decided to meet the man who found her daughter. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
With a friend of Suzanne's, | 0:08:58 | 0:08:59 | |
she visited Lockerbie for the very first time. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
The people... | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
I would meet them on the street, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
they'd come walking toward me when I first went out, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
and they would start crying before they got to me. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
I guess they knew the way I dressed, I was American. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
Bright colours. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
And they were just so nice. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
Cos they just understood. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
They arranged for her to come and visit myself and my wife. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
And she met Elma and they got on like a house on fire. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
We just e-mailed back and forth together | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
and then there was a time she didn't e-mail me back. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
In January 2002, George's wife Elma died from cancer. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
After Elma died, she came to Lockerbie and...we met every day. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:55 | |
But he was like in a depression after Elma died. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
She was a wonderful lady and...and he would... | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
he'd go to the cemetery every day. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
Anna Marie was there for him as he had been for her, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
and over the years, their relationship developed. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
When we did meet, obviously we kissed and whatever. Kissed. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
And I realised then that it was something more | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
than just a casual friendship. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
So, I remember on the train coming from Lockerbie to Glasgow. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:33 | |
I said to her, "I'm not making a pass, Anna Marie, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
"but if there's anybody going to take Elma's place, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
"it would have to be you." | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
-And that was it. -You said I was at the top of your list. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
The top of the list. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:46 | |
-Like he had a list! -And it blossomed from there. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
Blossomed from there. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
George has emigrated to America to live with Anna Marie | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
in New York State. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
Two people from two different countries | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
brought together in love by an act of hate. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
-What does Anna Marie mean to you, George? -I love her very, very much. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
She's... She's special. And generous to a fault. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:15 | |
What about him to you? | 0:11:15 | 0:11:16 | |
Well, we've kind of gone through this whole thing together. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
He knows how I feel about Elma's death and, I mean, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
-he knows how it is with me for Suzanne. -Mm-hm. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:32 | |
He goes to her grave and he... he kisses her stone and just... | 0:11:32 | 0:11:39 | |
He's a compassionate man. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
In Lockerbie, a replacement rose tree has been planted | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
outside the new ambulance station. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
This local play centre was gifted money | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
by the families of Suzanne Miazga | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
and other young people who were on the plane. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
George's daughter Cilla is in charge here, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
caring for today's children | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
in memory of those who died in Lockerbie a generation ago. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
That's... Oh, gosh! You are so strong. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
On this side of the Atlantic, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
the destruction of Pan Am Flight 103 was viewed as an attack on America. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
Never before had so many US citizens lost their lives | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
in an act of terrorism, and the Lockerbie bombing would remain | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
the deadliest act of terrorism that this country faced | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
until 9/11 removed the Twin Towers from the New York skyline. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
In Brooklyn, Helen Engelhardt Hawkins | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
honours the memory of her husband, Tony. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
Their son Alan was six years old when his daddy did not come home. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
It was Tony's cousin who called Helen. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
He had to tell me first what had happened. And he... | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
As soon as he said that there had been | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
a rather serious accident with a plane, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
my body knew that this was extremely serious. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:26 | |
This sculpture captures the moment Helen heard the news. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
I needed to sit down, because I began to tremble, to shake. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
Uh... I was fr... I was terrified. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
Tony was notorious for arriving at places last minute, you know? | 0:13:40 | 0:13:45 | |
And everyone was hoping he'd miss the flight, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
but I knew that Tony was dead, because he would have called me... | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
..if he had missed the flight. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
I said, "He hasn't called me." | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
Helen and Tony used a tape recorder the way other people use a camera, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
to document their lives. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
On the night she heard Tony was dead, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
Helen switched on her microphone and opened her heart to her husband. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
'My joy and my sense of fulfilment has always been anchored with you. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:24 | |
'Oh, my God.' | 0:14:26 | 0:14:27 | |
I thought, I've got to record this now, because I'm not going to be | 0:14:28 | 0:14:35 | |
in this place, in this mind, in this emotional body, again. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:42 | |
I'm going to change. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
I will never be able to recapture this again. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
I have to record this now, it's... so I did. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
I'm going to start recording now. Are you ready? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
Welcome to Lockerbie. Welcome to Coventry. Welcome to... | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
Helen has produced a powerful audio memoir of the first year | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
after Tony's death to keep his memory alive. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
The worst terrorist atrocity in aviation history. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
The headquarters of the biggest murder investigation | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
in British history. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
I promised Tony that I would do this for him | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
and I would do this for Alan, that they would be... | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
I would put this down, there would be something that was shaped, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
that came out of this raw experience, so that he would be... | 0:15:29 | 0:15:35 | |
..honoured in this way, acknowledged in this way. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
The audio book includes the last recording of Tony's voice. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
It's from a cassette recovered from the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:51 | |
Tony's explaining air travel to an aunt who has never flown. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
-'What's it like, crossing the Atlantic? -Well, it's... | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
'You're sitting in a nice armchair which is a little bit cramped | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
'and you can lean it back. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
'What's that airline called? | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
-'Pan American. -Oh, Pan American, isn't it? -Yes. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
-'When you think of the millions of people that fly. -400 people... | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
-'..36,000 or 37,000 feet high all having dinners. -Yes. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:24 | |
TONY LAUGHS 'It's really very funny.' | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
He had no way of knowing how his next flight would end. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:34 | |
Suzanne Miazga was patient, kind and enthusiastic. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
She was a graduate student in the school of... | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
35 of those killed on Pan Am Flight 103 | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
were students from Syracuse University in New York State. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
It holds remembrance events every year. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
35 students are funded to study in memory of those who died. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
There are a further two scholarships for students from Lockerbie. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
At the railway station, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
Colin Dorrance is waiting for his daughter Claire. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
She's on the train from Glasgow, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
home from university for her birthday. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
Hello. Happy birthday. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:21 | |
Thank you. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
Happy birthday, Claire. There you go. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
Claire has just turned 19 and spent much of the past year | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
as a student at Syracuse, having the time of her life. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
I don't think any experience will ever compare, really, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
it was the making of me, I think. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
I haven't felt, erm... | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
..as happy as I did when I was over there. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
By the time he had turned 19, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
Colin Dorrance was a police officer who'd already faced the death | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
and destruction that Pan Am Flight 103 brought to Lockerbie. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:04 | |
Dad and daughter could hardly have had more different experiences | 0:18:04 | 0:18:10 | |
at the same age. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:11 | |
I remember handling a passenger in the mortuary | 0:18:11 | 0:18:17 | |
and then the following night, in the stint in the property centre, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
seeing some of that passenger's effects. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
It was a diary in particular that had, you know, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
plans in it for days that they were not there for and... | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
..I became conscious that I didn't want to join the dots. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
I kind of wanted to keep detached. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
I didn't involve myself | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
in knowing too much of the back story of the passengers. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
That was a conscious decision on my part, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
but I felt I'd dealt with enough at the time. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
25 years on, Colin is ready to revisit his past. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
With the man who took charge of the original police investigation, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
he's gone back to Lockerbie Town Hall which was | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
used as a makeshift mortuary in the days after the bombing. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
-Well, what a change, Colin. -Aye. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
It just brings it all back, though. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
I remember on the night, it would be nearly midnight. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
I was at the Bridge Street entrance and a farmer drew up | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
-having come down the Bridge Street Road... -Yes. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
..with aircraft artefacts, chutes and pieces of metal, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
basically, and me and a colleague helped him | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
with the property off the back of the pick-up into the Bridge Street | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
entrance and almost, it seemed to me as I recollect it, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
an afterthought, I thought | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
he had a son or a child in the front seat. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:58 | |
It turned out it was actually one of the young passengers | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
and that young body was brought into the hall as the first and from | 0:20:02 | 0:20:08 | |
that point on, the hustle and bustle fell away, with the realisation... | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
-I know. -..this is what we're dealing with. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
And let's be blunt, you had only a matter of months' service | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
at that time as a police officer. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
It does send a shiver through the spine in some senses. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
I think it's important that we do talk about these things, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
because it was a very integral part of what we had to do. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
Lockerbie happened six years before Claire Dorrance was born. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:42 | |
She's grown up with the story, but only | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
when she went away to study did the magnitude of the disaster hit home. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
Syracuse was an emotional time. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
Erm...incredibly emotional because I was 17 when I left, so... | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
First of all the parallel with Dad being 17, 18 | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
when he dealt with that disaster was incredibly special. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
All of the sudden it comes up to remembrance week and... | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
..you've learnt so much about the victims that you feel you know them, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
like when you meeting their families and you're talking to their families | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
and you realise that these are real people | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
and you're walking the streets that they walked. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
All of a sudden it kind of hit me that... | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
It's really hard to express that... | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
..here I was having the best year of my life | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
and such a positive experience... | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
..and it had come from such heartache and tragedy. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
For the first time, Claire felt she understood | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
the enormity of what her father had faced. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
I remember there was one Skype conversation where... | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
..I kind of got really sentimental | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
and emotional and just kind of said to Dad, you know... | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
It's really kind of grown my respect for him and given me | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
so much more, like, understanding into his character | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
..and just really, um... | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
-Did it change your relationship with him, Claire? -Yes. Um... | 0:22:20 | 0:22:26 | |
We had a few really, really rough years as a family, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
a few years ago and it really took its toll | 0:22:36 | 0:22:41 | |
on my dad and I's relationship... | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
..and then going to Syracuse gave us | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
something to bond over and grow closer over. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
-You're closer now? -Yes, 100%. Mm-hm. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
I suppose that garden would look better in the summer, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
-it was always at the end of the winter there, eh? -Mm-hm. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
Melanie Daniels was never able to get close to her dad, Bill, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
because he was on the plane. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
In the Pan Am 103 archives at Syracuse, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
with her mum, Kathy, she's looking at the collection of items | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
held in memory of her father. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
-You wanted to see the tools, though. -Yes. -OK. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
Bill was a big one for woodworking tools. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
And this looks kind of dangerous, though. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
How does it make you feel, sweetie, to see all these things, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
the tools and the things that your dad used to like to... | 0:23:42 | 0:23:48 | |
to play with? | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
MELANIE CHUCKLES It makes him real. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
-Tangible. -Tangible. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
Yeah. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:56 | |
Cos you were so young. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
Melanie was just two years old when he died. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
-So who's the beautiful baby? -That would be me! -Uh-huh. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
What age were you there? | 0:24:11 | 0:24:12 | |
-Um, I think one, somewhere around one. -You're just a little tot. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
-And there you are on the back of Daddy's bike. -Yes. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
That was always my spot. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
These precious pictures are in an album Melanie's mum made for her. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
It tells the story of Melanie's life | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
before and since the Lockerbie bombing. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
"Melanie's dad, Bill Daniels, boarded a flight from London to New York. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
"He was coming home for Christmas from a four-day business trip, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
"Coming home to his wife and three children." | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
I couldn't remember anything, but I was real focused on trying to... | 0:24:46 | 0:24:52 | |
connect somehow. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:53 | |
-Does it bother you that you don't remember him? -A lot. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
Melanie grew up going to memorial events | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
for a man she felt she did not know. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
Aged nine, she was in Arlington National Cemetery | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
when President Clinton dedicated a cairn. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
BAND PLAYS U.S NATIONAL ANTHEM | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
Each of its 270 Lockerbie stones tells of a loss beyond measure. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:26 | |
There's a block for every victim, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
to make sure all who died are never forgotten. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
I didn't...couldn't remember him, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
and it made it kind of uncomfortable, because I would sit there | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
and I would feel kind of like I was supposed to cry or something, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
you know, like I'm supposed to be reacting | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
in more of a way, because everybody else is, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
but I'm not necessarily feeling what they feel. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
You know, I'm...I'm frustrated but I'm not grieving. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
I can never kind of confess that to anybody! | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
BAGPIPES PLAY "Amazing Grace" | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
These days, Melanie is one of those responsible for organising | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
the annual commemoration at Arlington | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
on behalf of the American relatives of Pan Am 103 victims. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
At some of the most solemn times of our memorial services, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
a plane goes over, and everybody looks up, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
and it's a great big plane | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
and it looks a lot like it could have been Pan Am 103. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
-And everybody takes a... -Yeah. -..a deep breath. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
The memorial service itself | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
is always emotional and difficult and everything, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
but the period of time when I could find out things... | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
You know, cos it was already the topic of conversation, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
and so it wasn't like I was bringing up something painful. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
Melanie lives in Washington, DC, where she works as a dog walker. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
It's a temporary job Melanie took up when she dropped out of college | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
because she was struggling with depression. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
How much of that do you think | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
is fuelled by your own loss in Lockerbie? | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
It's complicated, but, um... | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
that's definitely... | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
been part of it. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
The fact that I couldn't find any connections or anything | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
kept, I don't know, kind of adding to the feeling. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
You're going to get dog slobber on your hands! | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
Melanie says her work with dogs like Chuck and with the Pan Am 103 group | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
is helping to improve her health, and she's hopeful about the future. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
I'd like to be married and have kids and, you know, a dog! | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
But, um... But, yeah, I would like to be working | 0:27:46 | 0:27:52 | |
in international aid in some other country. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
But I'd like to feel like I was improving people's lives | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
and working towards keeping the same thing from happening over again. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
25 years after the bombing that deprived Melanie of her dad, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
she's determined to redeem her loss. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
And Melanie is not the only Lockerbie relative to feel that way. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
Lisa Gibson founded an aid agency of her own | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
as a direct result of losing her brother at Lockerbie. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
It had been about two years since I'd seen him in person. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
I was very much looking forward to seeing him. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
US Marine Ken Gibson was heading home from Germany on Christmas leave | 0:28:33 | 0:28:38 | |
when disaster struck. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:39 | |
I spent a very... | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
deep time in despair, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
really wrestling through why something like this would happen. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
When you're realising that there was someone in the world | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
that did this intentionally and essentially stole your family member | 0:28:54 | 0:28:59 | |
and the family member of 270 victims, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
to me, it just was very difficult to reconcile personally in my heart | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
that someone would do that. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
Is it fair to say that the events of the 21st of December 1988 | 0:29:08 | 0:29:15 | |
changed the course of your own life? | 0:29:15 | 0:29:16 | |
Absolutely. I mean, it's completely changed the course | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
of what I would have chosen for my own path. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
But I made a decision, too. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
I made a decision that I was going to | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
try to find a way to overcome evil with good, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
and that has been something | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
that I never would have envisioned going as far and as long as it has. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
It started with an extraordinary letter to Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
the only man ever convicted of blowing up Pan Am Flight 103. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:45 | |
By this time, he was in prison in Scotland. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
It was probably one of the simplest and shortest letters | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
I've ever written, really. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
I just shared a little bit about who I was, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
that I'd lost my brother on the Lockerbie bombing and said, | 0:29:56 | 0:30:01 | |
"Ultimately, only God knows if you're really responsible, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
"but either way, I need to forgive you". | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
And that was basically it. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
To Lisa's surprise, she received this reply, in which Megrahi says, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
"It made me very sad to learn | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
"that you have lost one of your loved ones". | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
He also denied responsibility, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
saying he'd been convicted on false and unsound evidence. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
So in some ways it was helpful, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
but in other ways it left me a little bit more in conflict, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
because it was hard for me to be angry... | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
at someone that wrote such a compassionate note to me. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
Lisa also called to see Libya's ambassador to the United States. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
She offered to set up development projects in Libya, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
the country that's held responsible for the bombing. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
Ali Aujali helped make this happen and has become Lisa's friend. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
Just to be able to help the Libyan people | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
and to go there and work there has been incredibly meaningful to me. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
To be able to spend time with people that, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
you know, um... | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
just have gone through their own trials and tribulations. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
Lisa raised money for Libyan children | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
suffering under the Gaddafi regime | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
and has been teaching conflict resolution in Benghazi. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
You are one... | 0:31:24 | 0:31:25 | |
The first one from the victims of the families of the Pan Am | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
who came to say, "I'm ready to help, "I'm ready to forgive, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:34 | |
I'm ready to help the Libyan people." | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
That's very well appreciated. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
Good to meet you, sir. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:39 | |
Lisa's reconciliation work did not end there. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
Ali Aujali arranged for her to meet Colonel Gaddafi in New York. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
Not content with forgiving the man jailed for blowing up her brother, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:51 | |
Lisa decided to personally forgive | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
the man many believe ordered the attack. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
I refused to allow myself to become bitter, | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
because if I became bitter, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
I would be no different from the terrorists, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
I'd be responding in hate, just the way they did. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
'Lisa's high-profile acts of forgiveness | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
'are incomprehensible to some Lockerbie relatives. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
'Helen Engelhardt Hawkins | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
'followed the prosecution of the two Libyans accused of the bombing, | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
'Al Amin Khalifa Fhimah and Abdelbaset Al Megrahi. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
Could you ever forgive? | 0:32:25 | 0:32:26 | |
No. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
When I went to the trial and looked at Fhimah and Megrahi, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
and their families, sitting in front of them, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
I felt nothing. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
I didn't feel hatred, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
I didn't feel fury, I just felt... | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
But... | 0:32:46 | 0:32:47 | |
forgive them? | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
The people that do this? | 0:32:50 | 0:32:51 | |
Why should I forgive them? | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
In 2001, a Scottish court sitting in the Netherlands acquitted Fhimah. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:59 | |
Co-accused Megrahi was found guilty of mass murder | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
and jailed for life. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
The conviction was upheld on appeal. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
In 2009, Megrahi dropped a second appeal. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
That summer, he was granted compassionate release from prison | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
having been diagnosed with terminal cancer. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
He died at home in Libya almost three years later, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
still protesting his innocence. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
Some British relatives of Lockerbie victims | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
are convinced Megrahi was wrongly convicted. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
Most American relatives | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
are equally convinced of his guilt. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
Those who gathered the evidence against Megrahi, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
including the FBI and the Scottish police, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
are still pursuing other suspects | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
and the man who headed the FBI for the last 12 years | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
is confident others will be brought to justice. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
'We have FBI agents who are working full-time' | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
to track down every lead, as we have since it occurred 25 years ago | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
and my expectation is that, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
continuously, we'll obtain additional information, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
perhaps additional witnesses | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
and that others will be charged with their participation in this. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
Even after all these years? | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
Yes. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:21 | |
We don't forget. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
We do not forget. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:25 | |
And by that, I mean the FBI, the Department of Justice - | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
we do not forget. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
Lisa Gibson has not forgotten either, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
but, for her, finding a way to forgive | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
has been an essential part of her own recovery. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
For 25 years... | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
..I've been identified as | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
"Lisa who lost her brother in the Lockerbie bombing", | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
and that's a lot to carry and a lot to have to hold. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:54 | |
And to see your identity so tied up into something so tragic. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
And I don't regret the mission I've been on | 0:34:58 | 0:35:03 | |
and the journey I've been on, cos I think it's been very meaningful | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
but, at the same time... | 0:35:07 | 0:35:08 | |
..I'm ready to move on. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
'Lisa intends to be at a 25th anniversary memorial service. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:19 | |
'It may well be the last one she attends. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
'Ceremonies are planned at Arlington, Syracuse and London | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
'and in Lockerbie itself.' | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
Lockerbie Academy is proud of its links with Syracuse. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
It will soon have sent 50 pupils to study there. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
'I can assure you that the people of Lockerbie | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
'will never, ever forget. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
We will never forget what happened over our skies 25 years ago. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
'Lockerbie's head teacher, Graham Herbert, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
'was among the Scots attending the university's remembrance ceremony | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
'for the 25th anniversary.' | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
'Many relatives find comfort here every year, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
'but the mother of one student victim has never been before.' | 0:36:01 | 0:36:06 | |
Kenneth Bissett was a charming man | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
with a wonderful sense of humour and a love for jazz. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
Ken Bissett was one of the Syracuse students | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
returning from a term in London, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
but it was only this year that his mother found out that he'd died. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
I lay this rose on behalf of Kenneth Bissett | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
and act forward in his memory. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
I'm still in the semi-numb part, I think, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:33 | |
um... that you hit right after you lose a loved one. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:38 | |
Because, even though... | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
I didn't have him with me physically, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
he was always in my heart. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
I think I thought of him pretty much every day, close to it. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:52 | |
He was my child | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
and I gave him as a gift. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
I gave Ken up for adoption at birth | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
and, even though I was told his name, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
I never looked for him | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
because I'd given my word. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
It was after she was widowed that Carol decided to look for her son. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
In April this year, she went online. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
I typed his name in | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
and it brought me to a website | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
and I clicked on the website | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
and there was the remembrance page. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
And I looked and I said, "My God, it's him." | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
It was his birth date, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
he looked just like my dad. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
And I looked in the mirror and I said, "He looks like me." | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
I called my sister in and I said, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
"But why are they only showing a part of his life? | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
"They've got December 19th 1967, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:56 | |
"but then they've got December 21st 1988. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
"That's not right." | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
And it finally dawned on me | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
that it was right. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
And I just said, "My God... | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
"my baby's dead." | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
And I finally realised | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
that it was the Lockerbie 103, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
Pan Am 103... | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
..remembrance site. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
And I said, "Oh, my God, he was on that plane." | 0:38:27 | 0:38:32 | |
270 people died in that tragedy. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
And one of those happened to be the only child I ever had | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
and I didn't even know it until last April. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
So it became a kind of a double tragedy | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
in that I found him and I lost him in the same day. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
Carol did not feel able to keep her baby | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
because, as the unmarried daughter of a high-school principal, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
it would have been socially unacceptable to do so. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
In fact, all my life, it's been the most painful decision | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
I ever had to make. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
It's still not easy, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
it's not easy watching your sister, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
who always wanted to have a lot of children, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
give up her first-born. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
Only born. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:30 | |
And, it turned out, only born. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
Carol's sister, Sandi, is supporting her through her grief. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:38 | |
Oh, wouldn't Daddy have loved to have met him? | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
Oh. Oh, yes. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
Every year for 25 years, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
having a student coming in... | 0:39:47 | 0:39:53 | |
-..in your name. -Yep. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
And living forward. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
We love you, sweetheart. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
And we wish you were here in person. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
And he would have looked for you. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
I know he would have. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
I think so. It was so good to find out he knew. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
Yes. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:27 | |
It turns out the couple who adopted Ken did tell him | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
they were not his biological parents. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
They have since died, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:36 | |
but left a detailed account of Ken's childhood in the Syracuse archives. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:41 | |
I saw his baby picture for the first time yesterday. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
I had never seen him, except wrapped up in a yellow blanket... | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
..on the day we left the hospital, so I never saw him, never held him. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
And now I get to grieve for him. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
Look at the hair. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
-It's just like mine and it's just like Grandpa's. -Grandpa's! | 0:41:07 | 0:41:12 | |
-The eyebrows? -I think so. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
Ken Bissett celebrated his 21st birthday two days before | 0:41:16 | 0:41:21 | |
he took his seat on the flight that would end his life. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
The more Carol hears about him, the harder she's finding her loss. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:29 | |
In a way, I'm going backwards... | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
..because the getting to know him makes it sharper... | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
..makes the regret deeper. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
He was an incredible artist. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
I saw comic strips that he drew when he was 11 years old. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:49 | |
In the last year of his life, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
Ken also drew this picture of a plane plummeting to the ground. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:57 | |
His own death, in strangely similar circumstances, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
meant that he would never search for the woman | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
who brought him into the world. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
That was a reunion Carol dreamt of. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
There was always the hope | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
and dream that, some day, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
there would come a knock on the door and I would open it... | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
..and there would be this tall, handsome gentleman saying, "Hi. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:26 | |
"I guess you're my mom." | 0:42:26 | 0:42:27 | |
And when I saw that... | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
..on my computer, it was like somebody had turned the light out, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
because that hope was gone. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
It is just a real regret... | 0:42:43 | 0:42:48 | |
..that I'll never, in this life, see him. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
Because she gave up her son, | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
Carol has not felt like a proper parent and that has hurt. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
I have carried that stigma around | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
and I didn't even realise it until today, | 0:43:10 | 0:43:15 | |
when I was able to sit there with the other parents. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
It was something and my sister kept saying, | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
"You need to go up there with them." | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
I said, "I don't think I belong", | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
and she said "Yes, you do." | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
And so I went and one of the ladies, she said, "Oh, sit here." | 0:43:31 | 0:43:37 | |
That lady was Melanie Daniels's mum, Kathy. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
It's such an amazing feeling for me to be included | 0:43:43 | 0:43:48 | |
and to kind of feel like Ken and all the other kids are... | 0:43:48 | 0:43:53 | |
..guiding this whole thing. It's very surreal. | 0:43:55 | 0:44:00 | |
Those on board Pan Am Flight 103 didn't stand a chance, | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
but many on the ground escaped death by a whisker. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
In 1988, David Gould lived in Lockerbie's Park Place. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:26 | |
We're just approaching the house that I lived in | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
on the night of the disaster itself. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
We heard something very large bounce off the roof | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
and I charged through to that room there and saw the oxygen cylinder | 0:44:37 | 0:44:42 | |
came down and bounced and spun in the road here, hissing. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:47 | |
Much worse had crashed to earth along the street | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
and David rushed to help. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
I was running up the road towards Rosebank Crescent... | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
..and it wasn't, in fact, | 0:44:57 | 0:44:58 | |
until I encountered a young man wearing jeans lying in the road. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:03 | |
And looking at other casualties, they were also in civilian clothing. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:11 | |
It began to dawn on people, this was a civilian plane that had come down. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:17 | |
All through these gardens here was just the fuselage | 0:45:18 | 0:45:23 | |
-of the plane itself. -Right. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
There were seats, there were suitcases, Christmas parcels | 0:45:26 | 0:45:33 | |
and, obviously, a number of fatalities. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
As a local social worker, David was tasked with evacuating residents | 0:45:37 | 0:45:42 | |
and helping vulnerable people in the days ahead. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
He was part of an army of local officials and volunteers | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
working alongside emergency teams from across the country. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
Somebody has described it as the nerve centre of the enquiry. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
-This is, at that time, the local school. -Yeah. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
The man who headed the police investigation is still struck | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
by the kindness he found amidst the chaos. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
Human nature has a habit of showing its best side | 0:46:11 | 0:46:17 | |
when confronted with the worst trauma imaginable. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
And that's what happened here in this town. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
People coming and just saying, "Look, can I give blood?" | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
There was no survivors, but they wanted to be there to give blood. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
They came in with cakes and biscuits and you name it. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
People who just earnestly, passionately wanted to help. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
Search and rescue specialist David Whalley rushed to Lockerbie | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
with the Royal Air Force. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
He, too, will never forget the way people pulled together. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
I think people should know what the rescue teams did here, | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
what the local people did, for months looking after people. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
This was Scotland's tragedy but it was also, I think, | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
one of Scotland's finest hours | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
and days, what happened here. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
I think the story should be told. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
It's not nice, it's not good and we're not trying to do it | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
for any other reason but there was so many people affected by this. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:16 | |
David paid a high price for his involvement - | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
post-traumatic stress disorder from which it took years to recover. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:25 | |
David Gould also suffered a breakdown. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
Not only did he witness the horrors of Lockerbie first-hand, | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
he also escaped death by the narrowest of margins. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
Our house was only missed by one tenth of a second. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
That's how long it would have taken for the part of the fuselage | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
to have veered in a different direction. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
-It's not a long time, is it? -It's not a long time. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
As I say, by one tenth of a second, I'm still here. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
Friends thought David WAS dead, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:04 | |
because one of the passengers on the plane | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
had exactly the same name as him. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
That touched David deeply. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
I went through a lot of the survivor feelings afterwards. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
The feelings of guilt, feelings of anger and so on. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:22 | |
It's very difficult to describe but when somebody shares your name, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:27 | |
they're sharing something very personal... | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
..and... | 0:48:31 | 0:48:32 | |
..that's a link and it can't be broken. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
I have a sense of duty | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
that I must honour the memory of David | 0:48:40 | 0:48:45 | |
and lay flowers for his family who can't make it on the day. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:50 | |
David has remarried since the disaster, | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
and he and his wife pay tribute to the other David Gould | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
at Lockerbie's Dryfesdale Cemetery every year. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
They also lay flowers for Tony Hawkins, | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
whose widow, Helen, and son, Alan, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
were hosted by David when they visited Lockerbie. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
Yet another transatlantic link. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
Many relatives of those who died visited Lockerbie | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
and many of them passed through the kitchen | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
of Tundergarth Mains farmhouse. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
'It was on this farm that the Boeing 747's nose cone | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
'and scores of bodies fell.' | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
And on the length and breadth of our farm, | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
we had nearly 100... | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
of the bodies were found. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
At the time... | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
It sounds horrible. At the time, they were... | 0:50:03 | 0:50:05 | |
they weren't people - they were just bodies, | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
and most of them just looked as though they were asleep, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
quite peaceful. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:12 | |
Lesley did not sleep that night | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
but, in the morning, she still went to work in nearby Dumfries. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
Arriving at work was surreal, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
because no-one knew... | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
My work colleagues didn't know | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
what had happened to any of us at that point. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
It fell to Lesley to tell her colleagues | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
that their boss, Jack Somerville, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
his wife and two children were among the 11 Lockerbie locals killed | 0:50:37 | 0:50:42 | |
when a wing of the jumbo jet smashed into Sherwood Crescent. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:46 | |
Having to tell them that... | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
..he had perished that night was very difficult. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:54 | |
He was a nice guy, a good boss. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
Back at Tundergarth, where so many victims lay, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
it wasn't long before those who loved them started to arrive. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
There was... A constant stream of relatives came. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
We did what we could for them - | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
not a great deal, I don't think, in a lot of cases. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
But, then, you do what you can, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
even if it's just to be a shoulder to lean on, | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
a shoulder to cry on. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:29 | |
A lot came because they needed - or hoped - | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
to find some kind of... | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
..closure, to a certain extent, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
because it was very difficult to comprehend or to understand. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:48 | |
Lesley Smith still lives near Lockerbie | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
and meets relatives of Pan Am victims | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
when they return to the town. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
Some have visited many times. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
I think it's quite comforting for a lot of them to come back here, | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
and to come back to the peace and tranquillity of round here | 0:52:01 | 0:52:06 | |
as well as, you know, coming back to visit Lockerbie | 0:52:06 | 0:52:10 | |
because of the meaning it has. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
We do, as well, count them as friends nowadays, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:17 | |
rather than just acquaintances through this. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
We do most definitely count a lot of them | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
as very good and very close friends. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
Among those friends, Mary Kay Stratis and her daughter, Sonia. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:31 | |
Lesley's visited them in the United States several times. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
The body of Sonia's dad, Elia, was found at Tundergarth. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:40 | |
I would like to think...yes, we would've been friends anyway. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
But I'm not sure how we ever would have met, | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
had it not been for the air disaster. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
Having said that, | 0:52:51 | 0:52:52 | |
we would give up those friendships if we could've turned the clock back | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
for them not to have lost their loved ones. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
But then, unfortunately, you can't do that, | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
which I think, in some ways, is why their friendships mean so much... | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
..on both sides, I think. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
Sonia Stratis was seven years old when her dad died. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:14 | |
He only booked on Pan AM 103 to get home a day earlier. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:19 | |
25 years on, Sonia and her husband, Chris, | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
have started their own family... | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
Way to go! | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
What next? | 0:53:27 | 0:53:28 | |
-Dolphin. -Dolphin. -Dolphin. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
..a family that would almost certainly not exist, | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
had it not been for the Lockerbie bombing. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
You know, I... It's funny. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
Our families had known each other for 20 years, right, | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
and I have never met her. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
Chris and Sonia met for the first time | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
at the Arlington memorial service for the 20th anniversary. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
I had actually seen him at the memorial service the year before | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
and thought he was cute. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:57 | |
But I had never interacted with him, and... | 0:53:57 | 0:54:04 | |
yeah, it wasn't on my grid, | 0:54:04 | 0:54:05 | |
and then at the 20th, we... we did, we went to the hotel lobby, | 0:54:05 | 0:54:12 | |
just to hang out. Kind of a lot of the younger... | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
The generation that were children who lost their parents, | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
that generation, were hanging out downstairs. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
It must have been like four hours or something...maybe four hours, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
and we were just sitting talking, and I don't know, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
just...it was like, "Hey," you know, | 0:54:28 | 0:54:30 | |
and there was just like an instant chemistry, I think. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
# Holy, holy, holy | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
# It's our Lord God Almighty... # | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
They married three years ago | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
in a ceremony that united two Lockerbie families. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
When Sonia Stratis said, "I do," to Chris Tedeschi, | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
his step-sister, Melanie Daniels, | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
was there to witness the happy event. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
Russ and Kathy Tedeschi! | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
Chris's dad is married to Melanie's mum. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
Chris and Sonia's wedding anniversary is in August. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
But December the 21st will always be the date they first met. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:13 | |
It's definitely a bittersweet date for me of, still, 25 years on, | 0:55:13 | 0:55:18 | |
mourning the loss of my father and yet celebrating this new family | 0:55:18 | 0:55:23 | |
and new life that... that I get to have now. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
Despite the tragic events, something good came of this. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
And how God can really restore things that are tragic. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
And...and this is one of those cases. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
And what's that? | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
Their first son Joshua's middle name is Elia, | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
after his late grandfather. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
When we met them, they were anticipating the arrival | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
of another boy, to be named Lucian. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
And I think telling Joshua and Lucian, our new baby, | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
about their grandfather and his character, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:03 | |
it will also be inspiration of, | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
"Hey...this is a great man that you can look to | 0:56:05 | 0:56:09 | |
"as a role model even if he's not here." | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
One of two men this family will always remember. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:15 | |
Two men died to bring us together in a way, and they're... | 0:56:15 | 0:56:20 | |
there aren't any sets of brothers in my family, | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
and yet we're having the first sets of...of boys, two boys, | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
and I just think that's really significant as a way of... | 0:56:27 | 0:56:32 | |
another way of redeeming what's happened. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
Two boys of strong character who are going to be wonderful. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
Sonia gave birth to Lucian Alexander Tedeschi on November the 21st, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:44 | |
a month before the Lockerbie anniversary. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
Lesley Smith was among the first to post congratulations. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
Baby Lucian and his brother will grow up | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
to know that their grandfather and their step-gran's first husband | 0:56:54 | 0:56:59 | |
died on Pan AM Flight 103 | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 | |
and that, had this horror not happened, | 0:57:01 | 0:57:04 | |
their parents would probably never have met. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
They're the start of a new generation... | 0:57:07 | 0:57:10 | |
living with Lockerbie. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
In some ways, Carol King Eckersley is part of that new generation, | 0:57:15 | 0:57:21 | |
having only just learned her son was on the plane. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
It's been a real roller coaster - | 0:57:24 | 0:57:29 | |
sobbing one minute and being hugged by somebody the next | 0:57:29 | 0:57:34 | |
and meeting a friend of my son the next. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:38 | |
I don't know how long it's going to take to assimilate it all. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:46 | |
One day, she hopes to come here to Lockerbie | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
as so many bereaved relatives have done. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
To see the spot where her son fell, | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
and perhaps to feel the embrace of a community | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
that endures its own pain | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
and keeps its collective heart open | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
to all those who lost loved ones at Lockerbie | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
25 Christmases ago. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
Local police officer Colin Dorrance | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
has already offered to be Carol's Lockerbie guide. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
One of the many thousands of people touched by this tragedy, | 0:58:18 | 0:58:22 | |
reaching out to help another after all these years. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:26 |