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This programme contains some strong language and some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
This is Belfast. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
It's 15 years since The Troubles came to an end here, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
and these days, it looks like any other city in the UK. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
On the surface, at least. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:17 | |
SHOUTING AND SIRENS | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
But this city is still divided up between Catholics and Protestants, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:30 | |
and summertime here often means rioting. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
GLASS SMASHES | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
I've spent this summer on the front line | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
with a Loyalist marching band, trying to find out why | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
so many young people who grew up with peace are now feeling so angry. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
They're trying to stop our culture, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
they're trying to stop it altogether. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
And they'll not be happy until it does stop. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
And I've met people on the other side of a deeply-divided city. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
It's a territorial thing, really, here. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
That's their land and this is our land. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
This is the story of how one band marched into the eye of a storm, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:10 | |
and how I found myself caught in the middle, as it all went wrong. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
There are bricks and bottles coming through | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
and the water cannon's being used and plastic bullets. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
It's a full-on riot. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
Welcome to Belfast. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
I'm Alys Harte. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
I moved here four years ago to work for the BBC. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
I enjoy living and working here - it's usually a fun and safe city. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:55 | |
Until last year, when this happened. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
SHOUTING AND SIRENS | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
Massive riots kicked off when the British flag | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
was taken down from Belfast City Hall. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Protestant Loyalists, who are staunchly British, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
saw it as an insult. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
They went crazy for weeks. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
We want our flag back up. That flag means more to us than just a symbol. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
This riot happened just a few minutes' walk from my flat. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
FIREWORK EXPLODES | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
It's all a long way | 0:02:40 | 0:02:41 | |
from where I grew up. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:42 | |
This is where I'm from - | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
County Donegal, in the Republic of Ireland. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
It's close to the border with Northern Ireland, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
but it's a different country and a very different place. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
I was brought up a Catholic. But, for me, the kind of division | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
that is part of life in Northern Ireland | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
just wasn't an issue. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:10 | |
Religion plays such a huge role in Northern Ireland. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
My mum tells a story, I think I was 11 before I piped up and said, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
"Am I a Catholic or a Protestant?" | 0:03:19 | 0:03:20 | |
I didn't feel divided like that. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
It was more straightforward here and people didn't have | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
a complicated relationship with their national identity, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
or with what religion they were. It was... | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
So, it's just much more straightforward here. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
For some people in Belfast, what religion you are, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
or where you're from, still really matters. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
I'm on my way to a part of Belfast where most Catholics would never go. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:06 | |
To enter a world that's usually closed to outsiders. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
These Loyalist flute bands walk the streets here every summer. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
They are loyal to the Queen and proud of being British, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
and this is how they show it. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
Many Catholics despise bands like this. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
They see them as celebrating Protestant supremacy | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
over Catholics and they find it really offensive. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
Now I'm going to meet one of the most controversial bands around. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:47 | |
So, here we are. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
It feels pretty... It's very British - | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
they've flags flying everywhere. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
I think now that I'm just here, I'm a wee bit... | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
a wee bit apprehensive. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
This isn't my part of town, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
so I don't know how welcome I am or how often, really, you know, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
Catholics would go into a building like that, erm... | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
Yeah. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
DRUMMING GROWS LOUDER | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
This band is called Pride of Ardoyne. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
They have a reputation amongst some Catholics as being offensive. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
It's very rare for an outsider like me to be invited in like this. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
But some members of this band | 0:05:49 | 0:05:50 | |
say they want to set the record straight. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
Gary is the band's lead drummer. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
He's 22 and he works in a factory. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
He recently became a dad. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
The band takes up the rest of his time. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
It's always been there, if you know what I mean? It's part of my life. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
It's kind of always been practice every week, parades most weekends. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
It's just... It's been part of me growing up. I've always been there. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
Gordie's also just become a dad. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
He's out of work, so being in the band means a lot to him. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
The band, it's a... | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
It's like a...an escape, if you like, to get away from... | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
Like, not that family life is crap, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
but just to get away from it and to have your own group, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
have a laugh and stuff, and... | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
take your mind off things. It's brilliant. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
Being here in this room is a bit strange for me. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
You can't even be in a band like this | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
if you're a Catholic - only Protestants get to beat these drums. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
It's also men only. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
We're going to teach Alys how to play the bass drum. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
INDISTINCT CHATTER | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
'So when band leader Michael asks ME to join in, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
'I'm not sure what to do.' | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
I have no rhythm at all. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
I'll keep you right... | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
CHEERING | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
Oh, yeah, you've got me fired now! | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
'I can't believe I played a bass drum for a Loyalist flute band.' | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
I'm in so much trouble! | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
Band practice is over for tonight, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
but it looks like my time with Pride of Ardoyne is just beginning. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
They've agreed to let me follow them this summer | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
as they march the streets. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
In a week, they'll bring me to my first parade. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
To many people in Belfast, especially Catholics, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Loyalist bands like Pride of Ardoyne exist in a different world. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
Meet Tania and Roisin. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
Tania is 19 and hoping to train to be a nurse. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Roisin has just finished her A-Levels | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
and wants to be airline cabin crew. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
Tonight, they're out in Belfast city centre. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
20 years ago, the violence meant that much of the city centre | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
was a no-go area after dark. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:16 | |
Not any more. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:19 | |
Belfast is actually a really, really good place to go out. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
Like, the nightlife is really nice and there's no bother | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
when you go out. The city centre in Belfast | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
is a really neutral place. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
You wouldn't get anybody that's going to worry about | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
where you're from or what religion you are. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
No-one asks questions like that when you come into town. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
But Tania and Roisin don't live in the city centre. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
They're from Ardoyne, in the north of the city. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
In fact, the Pride of Ardoyne band hall isn't very far away. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
But that's not somewhere Tania and Roisin could ever go - | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
because they're Catholics. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:01 | |
This part of Belfast is really divided along religious lines. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
Even the bus stops are Catholic or Protestant. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
The girls would never consider using the Protestant one. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:17 | |
Do you not think it's funny that | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
you don't get the bus stop closest to your house? | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
I think it's quite funny that people think that's weird, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
because if you go to a bus stop that's not in your area, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
you're kind of at risk, anything could happen, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
there's no definite thing that you're safe. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
Like, if we've got a bus stop in our own area and we know that | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
if we get on the bus, we're going to know somebody | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
and it's more local, then we're going to get that bus. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
Roisin, what about you? | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
Why would I get a bus over there if I've got a bus stop here? | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
You know, it wouldn't make a difference, like. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
I wouldn't put myself at risk of someone saying, "She's a Catholic." | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
It's not as if you're fighting for your church or anything. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
It probably started about religion, but it's not about religion no more. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
God doesn't come into it, doesn't he not? | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:11:06 | 0:11:07 | |
It's absolutely nothing to do with religion, whatsoever. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
I think people have been so brainwashed by politics. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
Whatever they think it is, people still act on it - | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
so you have to react. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
Tania and Roisin say it's about two tribes and their turf. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
And Tania told me she would consider | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
leaving this area to get away from it all. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
It's a territorial thing, here. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:34 | |
Like, that's their land and this is our land. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
That's the way it is, that's how they see it. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
The divisions don't just exist in people's heads. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
When one side feels their turf is under threat, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
it can get very ugly very quickly. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
Every summer, Pride of Ardoyne band marches past the Catholic estate | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
where Tanya and Roisin live. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
The Catholics don't want them | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
and every summer, it leads to violence. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
The kind of violence that, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
if it happened anywhere else in the UK, would be big news. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
I want to know what it is about these parades | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
that Catholics find so offensive, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
so it's about time I went to one. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
-You going to leave your car there? -Aye, mate. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
It's Friday night and for Gordie and Gary, it's time to march. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
This is what it's all about for them. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
I've never been to a Loyalist band parade before. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
This parade is staying on the Loyalist side of the lines, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
so it won't attract any protests from Catholics. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
In fact, the only Catholic here will be me. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
The whole point of band parades is about asserting that | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
you're Protestant and British. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:24 | |
Lots of the songs celebrate historical victories | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
when Protestants beat Catholics in battle. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
The song they're playing now, The Sash, is a famous one. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
That's one reason why Catholics | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
don't like bands like this marching past. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
But the band see it differently. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
The reputation, kind of, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:47 | |
people think is...we're young yobs, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
either are looking to disrupt | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
and to cause chaos, and we're not. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
It's a family band out looking to enjoy themselves | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
for the community and to support our culture. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
On their flags, drums, and uniforms | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
are the names of four band members who were killed | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
during the conflict here, which became known as The Troubles. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
Through the '70s, '80s and '90s, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
there was carnage on the streets of Northern Ireland. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
Republican groups like the IRA wanted the British Government | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
to leave Ireland and thought violence was the way to get there. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
Loyalists wanted Northern Ireland to remain part of the UK | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
and they fought back. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
In the violence that followed, 3,600 people died | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
and up to 50,000 were injured. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
Two of the men remembered by the band, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
Sammy Rocket and William Hanna, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
were reported to be Loyalist paramilitaries. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
These were illegal groups who murdered many Catholics, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
so Catholics find it offensive that when the band goes out marching, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
the names of paramilitaries are on the band uniforms. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
They see these men as villains. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
The band see them as martyrs. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
We don't class them as paramilitary. They were band members. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
They were in the band. Anybody who was killed in The Troubles | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
with the band... That's why they're on our bannerette. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
Don't think paramilitaries are anything to do with it. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
It was just... they were members of the band. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
Same with anybody in the band, doesn't matter who they are, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
they're getting remembered because past band members have been killed. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
I was walking along with the band and the music was rousing | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
and everyone's out on their front step cheering them on, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
and everyone's in a really good mood and the sun is shining, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
and they've had a couple of drinks, and I kind of get it. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
I know why they love it, and I know why it feels so important to them. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
I'm just always left with... | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
the question about Northern Ireland | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
is that every time people say we're celebrating our culture, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
it is at the detriment to someone else's culture. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
In some ways, it's not surprising how divided this place is, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
when you consider the recent history here. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
Even though 15 years ago, a majority of people voted for peace, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
there have been plenty of disturbing incidents since. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
Tania and Roisin were caught up in one of the worst of them. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
Aged just seven and eight, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
the girls were pupils at | 0:17:16 | 0:17:17 | |
Holy Cross Primary School. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
It's a Catholic school, | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
but it's in the Protestant Loyalist part of Ardoyne... | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
SHOUTING | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
..and in 2001, things went very wrong. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
INDISTINCT SHOUTING | 0:17:37 | 0:17:42 | |
Some Protestant residents began picketing the Catholic children | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
and their parents as they walked to school. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
Get over the other side! | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
It got out of control very quickly | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
and it made headlines around the world. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
There has been more violence tonight in North Belfast, on the second day | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
of protests about the route Catholic children are taking to school. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
We didn't really take in that they hated us, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
because we knew there was no reason, like, we hadn't done anything wrong. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
And it wasn't really our business, as such. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
So we kind of just walked up the road and protected ourselves. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:23 | |
The main thing was to stay away from whatever they were throwing in. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
We were making a tunnel out of all the parents and the police. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
We were just kind of making our way through, because we were so small. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
The Holy Cross dispute stretched out over weeks. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
Roisin remembers having bags of urine thrown at her and her friends. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
SHOUTING | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
Yelling, blowing whistles, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
throwing water balloons with piss. Disgusting. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
It had to be explained to me, like, | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
what a Protestant was and what a Catholic was, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
so I understood why everyone was fighting. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
You're a fucking dirt-bag! | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
It doesn't matter what side of the line you live on. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
Many people here, even the younger ones, have been touched by violence. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:26 | |
Gordie, the drummer in the band, was almost killed when he was a child. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
Today, he's taking us to the place where it happened. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
..me and my daddy was walking down the Shankill. I can't remember | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
what building it was that blew up, but we were just three shops away. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
We only stopped because I saw a motorbike in the shop window, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
or something, that was the only reason why we stopped. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
So if I hadn't, we probably would have been right outside it. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
A lot of people was murdered. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
Ten people died when the IRA bombed the Shankill fish shop in 1993. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
It was one of the worst incidents | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
of the whole conflict in Northern Ireland. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
What kind of experience have you and your family had of The Troubles? | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
My granddad, he was shot when he was standing in the kitchen | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
washing his hands - through the head, by the IRA. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
But there was no-one ever caught or brought to justice for it. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
A few years later | 0:20:48 | 0:20:49 | |
and the IRA came to Gordie's house to kill his father. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
His father and grandfather were targeted | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
because they were in the British Army. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
My daddy's next-door neighbour at the time... | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
The IRA came out to shoot... | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
It was meant to be for my daddy, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
but he was away in work at the time | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
and the next-door neighbour got shot dead in place. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
So that was a bit of an upset, like, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
so they had to pack up and move | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
because of death threats and stuff. Because that happened. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
See, I was only a young boy when I was hearing those stories, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
and I thought all this here - guns and the army and stuff - | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
I thought... I used to think it was great. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
But now when you're older and really take into consideration what... | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
People trying to murder my father and stuff, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
and my grandfather WAS murdered. It's... | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
It's daunting, like. You wouldn't know what to do | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
when you're in the situation yourself, like. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
It's the middle of June, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:55 | |
four weeks away from the Twelfth of July celebrations. | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
On the Loyalist side, one of the big summer traditions is under way. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
The night before the bands take to the streets | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
on the twelfth of July, they'll gather round a massive bonfire. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
This tradition goes back over 300 years, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
to the victory of the Protestant King William | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
over Catholic King James at the Battle of the Boyne. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
The bonfire will be huge - | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
so huge, they have to start building it weeks in advance. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
They collect as many wooden pallets from local businesses as they can. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
Every year, there's fierce competition between | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
Loyalist neighbourhoods. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
Size is everything. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
Tully's a flag-carrier in the band - | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
he's been building these bonfires for years. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
Lee, also in the band, is his right-hand man. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
How long does it take you to build a bonfire? | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
You'd start usually about mid-June, have it done, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
you'd work right up until the 11th of July | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
and you'll have it finished there for it getting lit that night. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
And what are you celebrating? | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
We're just celebrating our culture, cos it's been going on | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
for so many years, you were brought up to do it. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
It's just something you want to keep going. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
They start by building a hut. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
From now until the bonfire is built, they'll use this as a guard-post | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
to protect it, in case Catholics come in from | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
the other side and set it alight or other Loyalists steal their wood. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
So you guys stay overnight in the hut? | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
Aye, we'll just stay till the next morning, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
till the kids come out of their beds and then they'll be running about. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
And for how long are you staying in there? | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
-In the hut? -Yeah. -That there's us out every night. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
-Every night? -Aye. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
On the Twelfth of July, hundreds of marching bands | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
will take to the streets | 0:23:59 | 0:24:00 | |
and many of them will march past Catholic areas. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
Tania is already dreading it, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
because the parade traditionally goes right past her house. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
-The house is just on the edge... -Yeah. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
-..of the Ardoyne and the parades would go... -Yeah. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
..straight across the... Or just outside your house. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
What's it like here on the 12th? | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
It's hectic, it's really bad here. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
People on the front of the road would probably cover their windows | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
and stuff like that, so missiles and stuff don't come through your window. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
Last year, just before Christmas, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
someone managed to throw a brick through Tania's window. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
It means she no longer really feels safe in her own bedroom. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
Does that make you feel nervous? | 0:24:51 | 0:24:52 | |
Would you sleep in here on the night of the 12th? | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
No. Like, most years so far, I haven't even been in my house, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
I've stayed at my granny's or went to a friend's house. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
Or I would sleep in my mum's room, or in the living room, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
on the floor, yeah. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:08 | |
Because it's too dangerous, like, it's such an easy target. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
What does the Twelfth represent to you? | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
In all seriousness, it doesn't mean anything to me - | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
it's just a day of trouble. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:22 | |
The wall outside Tania's house is the dividing line | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
between Protestant and Catholic. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
But it's small, compared to some of the other ones in Ardoyne. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
These huge barricades are called peace walls. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
They're there for one reason - to keep the two communities apart. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
There's talk of trying to take some of these walls down, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
but Tania doesn't want that. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
I probably wouldn't feel safe in my house, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
and there'd be no escaping it, either, | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
because I couldn't sleep in all the rooms now | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
that I go to because I can't sleep up here. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
I don't think many people would continue living here | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
if there was no protection there. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
It's the 21st of June and tonight, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
the band are getting ready for the first big parade | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
of the marching season. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:26 | |
It's in Belfast and it's called the Tour of the North. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
And they've agreed to let me follow them. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
I feel like I should have a drum or something. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
Once, these bands could pretty much march anywhere they wanted to. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
But more protests by Catholics mean that these days, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
they are often re-routed away from Catholic areas. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
When that happens, the band don't like it. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
People are feeling very angry about it, like. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
It's upset a lot of people. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
They've been taking away, chipping away at us, year by year, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
taking bits and bits away from us - like not walking down | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
certain roads, not playing certain tunes at certain points. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
And they're trying to stop our culture, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
they're trying to stop it altogether. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
And they'll not be happy until it does stop. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
On tonight's march, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
the band have already been told they won't be allowed to walk | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
their usual way home, past the Catholic part of Ardoyne. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
They'll have to go home another way. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
CHANTING DROWNS SPEECH | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
Somewhere up ahead is a police roadblock. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
We're coming up to the blockade now. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
Everyone's getting really excited, the band are all shouting | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
and all the supporters are kind of getting excited. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
They're coming up to the police lines now, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
they're going to march right up - it's totally hectic. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
GLASS BOTTLE SMASHES | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
They're starting to throw glass bottles, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
so why don't we stay right back? | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
-But... -INDISTINCT SHOUTING | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
The band is angry that they have been stopped, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
but they disperse quickly and the situation calms down. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
Tonight, the band will take this decision on the chin, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
because they know the most important day to get up this road | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
is the 12th of July. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
On that day, they have always been allowed through... | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
..and they expect this year to be no different. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
Now, the big day is just three weeks away. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
It's the end of June and it's Roisin's last day of school. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:44 | |
But this school is different to most others in Northern Ireland. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
Here, Catholics and Protestants go to school together... | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
..and it seems to work. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
Lots of people think this may be a solution to the division. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
But in Northern Ireland, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
it's still very rare. Only 7% of young people are in mixed schools. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
There's a reason Roisin wanted to go to school here... | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
..Holy Cross. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
After the ordeal of being attacked by Protestants | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
on her way to primary school, Roisin made a big decision. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
I just thought I didn't want to judge them all for what, like, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
some of them had just done. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
I wanted to give, like, other people a chance. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
Cos not everyone's the same, so... | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
Why do you think there aren't more integrated schools? | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
Cos not everyone agrees with it, no way. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Really? Do you think people would disagree with a mixed school? | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
-Yeah, definitely. -Even if... Yeah. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
The thought of little kids mixing with other people | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
-of different religions, definitely, like. -Really? -Yeah. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
I know people that didn't want me to be sent here - my family. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
-Really? -Yeah. -Why? -Disagreed with it. They didn't think it was right. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
What do you think the best bit is about integrated school? | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
It doesn't teach one solid religion, like, it's open-minded to everybody. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
It doesn't teach you that they're different | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
or you're different. It's, like, yous are all equal, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
so yous'll all be treated as equal. Religion doesn't come into it. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
But back in Ardoyne, the divisions still matter. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
Even Roisin has to live with them when she's on home turf. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
Tania has only recently started walking up to the school | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
to pick up her cousin. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
Roisin hasn't walked up the road to Holy Cross since it happened. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
Until today. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:42 | |
Do you remember the last time you walked up the road? | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
No, I was trying to think, but no. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
-Does it feel a little weird? -Yeah, it feels really weird. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
I want to hide behind Tania! | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
Would you be conscious of who's looking at you? | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
Yeah, really. Definitely. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:03 | |
-Why? -Cos this is a Protestant area and we're Catholic. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
Everywhere you look, you can see the letters K-A-T | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
written on the walls. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
What does that say there on...? | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
Kill All Taigs. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:31 | |
What does that mean? | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
Kill all Catholics. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
GIRL CRIES | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
The graffiti, it does say K-A-T everywhere. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
Taig is just slang for Catholic, really. Um... | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
And they paint the pavements red, white and blue - | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
it's kind of just marking their territory. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
I did say before, "There's our land and their land," | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
and it's completely different, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
and you can see the invisible division, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
you can feel it, and you just don't cross it. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
The Holy Cross protests may have stopped, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
but it feels like the hatred is still here, written on the walls. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
It's no wonder Roisin isn't happy. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
-Hello, Amy. -Want to say hello? | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
When I was walking up the road that day, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
I was just so nervous, I don't know why. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
It's not just like a normal Protestant area, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
where you can be like, "Oh, right, I'll chance it." | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
But because so much has happened up there... | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
-See you later. -Bye! | 0:33:41 | 0:33:42 | |
That's a really bizarre experience, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
not least for the girls, because one thing that was really clear | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
was that Roisin, in particular, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
was looking over her shoulder every few minutes. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
I mean, it was really concerning | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
and it's just so frightening to think that now, after all this time, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
that they really, genuinely, are concerned about walking to a school | 0:34:05 | 0:34:10 | |
that they went to, to pick up their wee cousin, which is, like, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
300 metres up the road. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
Just around the corner from the school, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
on the Loyalist side of the peace wall, the bonfire is taking shape. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
It's only a fortnight until the 12th of July, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
when it has to be finished. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:36 | |
Tully and Lee are working on it | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
almost every day - | 0:34:40 | 0:34:41 | |
staying out most nights to guard it. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
But when the sun is out, there's always time for a barbecue. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
The band doesn't just march together - | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
they and their families hang out together, too. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
Go over and get them. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
Go and get the baps out. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
Excellent work, Gordie. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:06 | |
-All my hard work. All me, no-one else. -I know. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
You've been vindicated now, all the hard work's paid off. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
INDISTINCT CHATTER | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
'Tully tells me the bonfire-building is on course. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
'When it's finished, the bonfire will be as high as the peace wall.' | 0:35:24 | 0:35:29 | |
Can the people over the peace wall see the bonfire? | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
They can see in their houses, they can see right over. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
Sometimes, they sit and talk to you | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
and give you a wee wave, or you could be lucky and get a finger from them! | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
Do you give one back? | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
I just laugh. You have to. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:46 | |
HUBBUB DROWNS SPEECH | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
'When the bonfire is finished, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:51 | |
'they'll put an Irish flag on top of it, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
'because the Republic of Ireland is seen as | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
'the traditional enemy of Loyalism. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
'There's no getting around it - that's pretty provocative | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
'and offensive to most Catholics. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
'Michael, the band leader, makes an appearance.' | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
Why do you put the Irish flag on top of the bonfire? | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
It's not the flag of our country, it's a foreign flag in our country. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
Just like they burn the Union Jack. It's a foreign flag. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
INDISTINCT CHATTER | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
The Tricolour? | 0:36:23 | 0:36:24 | |
The Tricolour, yeah, that's my flag. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
It's your flag - I know it's your flag. But why is it your flag? | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
-Cos I'm from Donegal. -Oh, you're Donegal. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
Our flag's the Union Jack. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
We just put it up cos it's always been the way. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
'With the big Twelfth of July marches just around the corner, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
'the band still hasn't found out whether they will be allowed | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
'to march past the Catholic estate at Ardoyne. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
'They feel they have a right to walk down the road.' | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
How do you think people would feel | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
if you weren't allowed to march past Ardoyne at all? | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
It's supposed to be a shared space. They're allowed to walk to | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
their schools, but we're not allowed to walk down onto the Shankill. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
Of course they should be able to walk to their schools. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
Does that happen? | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
Our kids coming home from school and the abuse they're getting, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
-it's terrible. -Getting spat at, getting chased. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
'Kill all Huns' is the other side's answer to 'Kill all Taigs'. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:21 | |
It means - kill all Protestants. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
On both sides of the fence, it feels like people | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
are prepared to believe almost anything about each other. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
If you were walking down past the Ardoyne shops, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
through the Catholic area on your own, what would happen to you? | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
It depends, they could know you, they might not know you, so... | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
But if they knew that you were from up here? | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
Good luck to you. That's all I would say. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
You're not getting by there. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
SMOKE ALARM GOES OFF | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
It is really surprising that three miles from where I live, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:08 | |
these guys are living with such huge division and hatred. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:14 | |
It feels dangerous. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:17 | |
It feels like it wouldn't take very much | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
for it to really kick off. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
Those boys, as lovely as they are, are angry, angry, angry boys. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
And the other side are angry. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
And just because we've had 15 years of peace | 0:38:36 | 0:38:43 | |
doesn't mean and doesn't seem to be changing the way that they feel... | 0:38:43 | 0:38:50 | |
..or reaching them, quite. So... | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
It does... It feels like it could be very dangerous. It feels volatile. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:03 | |
RADIO: 'This is BBC Radio Ulster. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
'The Parades Commission has ruled that the Orange Order | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
'cannot parade past the sectarian interface at Ardoyne.' | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
It's the 11th of July, the day before the parade, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
and there's some surprising news. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
For the first time ever, the band have been told | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
they won't be allowed to march home past the Catholic estate. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
Loyalists right across Northern Ireland are outraged. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
I think the Protestant people have just pushed too far this time. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
I think we kind of took it on the chin for a couple years, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
but I think it's been pushed too far | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
and somebody's going to have to sort it out. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
It's like a powder keg, they've been... | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
The fuses are there and I think now it's been lit. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
I think now it's just ready to erupt. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:00 | |
It looks like there's going to be trouble. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
I go to see Tania, who's starting to get worried. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
What do you think will happen now? | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
It's kind of changed the game, hasn't it? | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
A lot of people are saying they don't know, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
they can't expect anything and this is different | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
than any other year, but I think it's going to be a lot worse. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
I think it's going to be the worst yet. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
Why so? | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
Because it was such a dramatic change, | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
it's such a dramatic decision to make. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
And this has never happened before. The parade's always went up. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
It's time for Tania to batten down the hatches. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
She has to move her bed away from the window... | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
..and cover the glass with bin bags, in case it's broken. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
It is a really bizarre way to have to live, but, unfortunately, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
for people that live in Ardoyne, that's usual - | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
that's normal for us and that's just what you have to do. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
On the other side of the peace wall, Tully has done his job. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
From the top of the bonfire, he can look over the wall | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
into the Catholic estate and they can see him. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
The Fire Brigade turn up to make sure the bonfire | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
isn't going to collapse once it's lit - | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
something that happens pretty often to bonfires of this size. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
-Good, isn't it? -Aye, are you pleased? | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
Oh, aye. Happy with that, like. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
What'll happen now? | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
Gets burnt. Twelve o'clock. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
How do they burn it? | 0:41:53 | 0:41:54 | |
Petrol. Down it, then a big pipe and then just light it. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
Light it by a petrol bomb, or just petrol? | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
Don't know. See what happens. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:02 | |
The bonfire is covered in Irish flags, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
and there's that slogan again - Kill all Taigs, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
or kill all Catholics. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:11 | |
This is really bizarre for me. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
By now, I feel welcome in this community, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
but they're burning the flag of my country | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
and writing slogans about killing anyone | 0:42:24 | 0:42:25 | |
who happens to be Catholic, like me. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
It's midnight. The big moment is finally here... | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
..and the petrol bombs come out. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
CHEERING | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
CLAPPING | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
That's something else. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:10 | |
I don't know if they have any Health and Safety rules, but... | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
The band won't get a lot of sleep tonight. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
In just five hours from now, they will meet to march. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
But this 12th of July won't be like previous ones. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:28 | |
It's obvious that trouble is brewing. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
What about the decision to stop yous on the way back? | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
Dreadful, don't know how they came up with that. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
I'm disgusted, sure. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
-Do you reckon people are pretty cross? -Aye. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
What do you think could happen? Do you think it could kick off? | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
I could see it happening. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:53 | |
You can just tell that tensions are high at the minute. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
Tully thinks that the Catholics on the other side have managed to get | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
the parade banned because they've rioted every year when it happens. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
We want to see what happens if we kick off. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
It's the morning of the 12th of July, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
and it promises to be one of the hottest days | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
Belfast has seen in years. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
Today, the band will march almost 20 miles in 28-degree heat. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
It's like waking up Christmas morning, | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
getting everything you've ever wanted - | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
goose-bumps running up and down your back. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
Your hairs stand on end when you hear them cheering and stuff. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
It's brilliant. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:50 | |
Today, Pride of Ardoyne will be at the centre of a storm. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
Everyone will be watching them to find out what will happen | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
at the end of the day when they are stopped from marching home. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:11 | |
I'm the only outsider who's been allowed to walk with them. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
It's 8:30am. The band have been joined by their supporters | 0:45:24 | 0:45:30 | |
and they're marching into the city centre. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
Everyone is hyped-up. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
On this early-morning outward leg of the parade, | 0:45:36 | 0:45:40 | |
the band are allowed to march past the Catholic area. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
But they won't be allowed to return this way. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
The band are just coming down towards the flash-point part. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
And they've been joined by loads and loads of supporters. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
And just behind us is where the Republican protest is going to be. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
They're allowed to walk past this morning, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
but later, they'll be stopped before they get to this point. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
Suddenly, the police move in. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
So the supporters are going to try and actually get down through here, | 0:46:22 | 0:46:26 | |
but the police and shields are barricading up. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
The band were supposed to walk past the Catholic area | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
with only 100 supporters, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
but many more have turned up and they're not allowed through. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
It's not even nine o'clock in the morning and already, | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
there's a stand-off with police. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
On the Catholic side, Tania is getting nervous. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
Last night, I went to bed quite early because I was too scared. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
Maybe I thought I'd fall asleep before anything happened. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
There was shouting and stuff, People were singing, like, | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
"Kill all Taigs" and stuff and I was, like, | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
"Wow, I've never had to go to sleep with that kind of lullaby before!" | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
Bit weird. No, I didn't sleep very well | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
and I woke up at about eight o'clock | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
to wait and see what the news was up here. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
The band are wondering if their big day is over | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
before it has even begun. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
So what happens if you don't get down, do you think? | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
Don't know. Have to wait and see. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
Play the waiting game now. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
'But after a bit of negotiation, they are on the move again, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
'towards the Catholic area and the protestors.' | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
Band on this side, police on this side, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
and the other side, the protestors. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
And along this stretch, they're not allowed to have any hymns, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
sing, chant - just a single drumbeat. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
And there's lots of people just over here. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
SINGLE DRUMBEAT CONTINUES | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
That parade is offensive. It's celebrating the death of Catholics. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
We have every right to say, | 0:48:25 | 0:48:26 | |
"Look, that's offensive. You can't just walk past our area | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
"and offend people like that." | 0:48:29 | 0:48:30 | |
The second the band cross the invisible dividing line | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
into a Loyalist area, the restrictions are lifted. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
When these boys hit the roundabout, then they can play. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
SINGLE DRUMBEAT CONTINUES | 0:48:43 | 0:48:48 | |
DRUMMING SPEEDS UP | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
So that's it. We've come through the tense bit. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
The police, by and large, will step back now. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
It just depends what happens later on this evening | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
when they try to come back up home. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:07 | |
That was tense. I can breathe now! | 0:49:07 | 0:49:11 | |
In the city centre, tens of thousands of people | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
are out on the streets. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
Halfway through, the band gets a break. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
On the way home, they know they'll meet a police roadblock, | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
and no-one is expecting it to be peaceful. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
What do you reckon will happen when you get stopped by the police? | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
I think once the police go heavy-handed... | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
Our ones aren't going to stand and take it. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
I think our ones will come out in force and show them. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
So I can see it just going nuts. | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
Lee, what do you reckon? | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
I don't know what will happen. I don't know. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
Anything could happen. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
It's early evening and the band are marching home. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
CHEERING | 0:50:20 | 0:50:21 | |
When the band come into town, they get a really big reception | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
because of all the controversy. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
Watch how the crowd react. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
The atmosphere is different now. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
A lot of people have been drinking. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
Pride of Ardoyne is getting a huge reception. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
The crowd knows they're minutes away from hitting the roadblock. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
At Catholic Ardoyne, crowds have gathered | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
and there are hundreds of police. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
It's tense, but they know the band won't be allowed past this time | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
and, for the first time in years, | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
there's no rioting on the Catholic side. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
Back in the middle of the Loyalist parade, | 0:51:28 | 0:51:30 | |
we're almost at the police roadblock. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
CHEERING | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
At first, there's a street party atmosphere. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
Then the first bottles are thrown at police. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
The police helicopter's just above | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
and they're starting to throw missiles across. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
Guys are coming up on top of the Land Rovers. | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
A water cannon is brought out... | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
..and very quickly, it's used. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
We are caught in the middle. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
The atmosphere changes very quickly. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
Then a man approaches the camera and threatens us, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
telling us to stop filming and to get out. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
I film on my phone, as Gary moves back and Gordie is soaked. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
Up at the police lines, | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
members of another band are attacking the police. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
Some of them are using ceremonial swords. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
It's getting serious and it's clear we're not safe here any more. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
We've just had to move from the other side of the police lines | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
where, basically, we were threatened by a man | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
I can only assume was a paramilitary, | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
and the band got very tetchy | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
and asked us to get out as quickly as possible. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
There are people lying in there | 0:53:13 | 0:53:14 | |
with their heads split open from the water cannon. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
I'm totally soaked. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
And it doesn't look like that's going to end any time soon. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
When we were leaving, there was reams of boys | 0:53:22 | 0:53:24 | |
running through with bricks in their hands. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
You just knew it was time to go. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
And soon, it gets a lot worse. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
There's bricks and bottles coming through | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
and the water cannon's being used and plastic bullets - | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
it's a full-on riot. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:47 | |
Across Belfast, 32 police officers will end up being injured tonight. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:56 | |
I watched the riots for several hours, | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
but I didn't see any of the band members I knew taking part. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
The 12th of July is drawing to a close | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
and my marching season is over. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
It's the end of the biggest day of the marching season, | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
but I've no idea how long this is going to go on for. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
It might go on for a couple of hours, the way some of the band | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
were speaking to me, it might go on for a couple of days. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
But even beyond that, this is Belfast today. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
You know, so many years after an agreement. And this isn't normal, | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
this isn't normal society. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
It doesn't give me a lot of hope, really, for the future. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
It kind of feels like this is deja vu, | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
and it's the kind of thing that's just going to go on and on. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
I'm just going to up and leave North Belfast, | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
I don't think I'll be here. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
The fact that when people don't get their own way, chaos breaks out | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
and all they do is riot. And that's the only solution, | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
and nobody even offers to sit down and just talk something out, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
which is the most mature thing to do, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
which will actually get things done. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:40 | |
No, I don't want to be here, it makes life too difficult | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
and I don't want my kids, when they grow up, having the same trouble. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:47 | |
I'm going to stay at it. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
Hopefully, we'll get up this road and keep on supporting | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
and marching and celebrating our culture. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
If I get up this road, it will be a big bonus. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
We're not going to push for anything else - this is all we want. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
We don't want any violence ourselves, or... | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
We just want up home, to be able to celebrate, | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
to be able to finish our 12th. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
It's not over yet. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:31 | |
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