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This is Belfast.

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It's 15 years since The Troubles came to an end here,

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and these days, it looks like any other city in the UK.

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On the surface, at least.

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SHOUTING AND SIRENS

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But this city is still divided up between Catholics and Protestants,

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and summertime here often means rioting.

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GLASS SMASHES

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I've spent this summer on the front line

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with a Loyalist marching band, trying to find out why

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so many young people who grew up with peace are now feeling so angry.

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They're trying to stop our culture,

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they're trying to stop it altogether.

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And they'll not be happy until it does stop.

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And I've met people on the other side of a deeply-divided city.

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It's a territorial thing, really, here.

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That's their land and this is our land.

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This is the story of how one band marched into the eye of a storm,

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and how I found myself caught in the middle, as it all went wrong.

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There are bricks and bottles coming through

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and the water cannon's being used and plastic bullets.

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It's a full-on riot.

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Welcome to Belfast.

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I'm Alys Harte.

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I moved here four years ago to work for the BBC.

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I enjoy living and working here - it's usually a fun and safe city.

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Until last year, when this happened.

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SHOUTING AND SIRENS

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Massive riots kicked off when the British flag

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was taken down from Belfast City Hall.

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Protestant Loyalists, who are staunchly British,

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saw it as an insult.

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They went crazy for weeks.

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We want our flag back up. That flag means more to us than just a symbol.

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This riot happened just a few minutes' walk from my flat.

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FIREWORK EXPLODES

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It's all a long way

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from where I grew up.

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This is where I'm from -

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County Donegal, in the Republic of Ireland.

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It's close to the border with Northern Ireland,

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but it's a different country and a very different place.

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I was brought up a Catholic. But, for me, the kind of division

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that is part of life in Northern Ireland

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just wasn't an issue.

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Religion plays such a huge role in Northern Ireland.

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My mum tells a story, I think I was 11 before I piped up and said,

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"Am I a Catholic or a Protestant?"

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I didn't feel divided like that.

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It was more straightforward here and people didn't have

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a complicated relationship with their national identity,

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or with what religion they were. It was...

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So, it's just much more straightforward here.

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For some people in Belfast, what religion you are,

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or where you're from, still really matters.

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I'm on my way to a part of Belfast where most Catholics would never go.

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To enter a world that's usually closed to outsiders.

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These Loyalist flute bands walk the streets here every summer.

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They are loyal to the Queen and proud of being British,

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and this is how they show it.

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Many Catholics despise bands like this.

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They see them as celebrating Protestant supremacy

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over Catholics and they find it really offensive.

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Now I'm going to meet one of the most controversial bands around.

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So, here we are.

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It feels pretty... It's very British -

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they've flags flying everywhere.

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I think now that I'm just here, I'm a wee bit...

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a wee bit apprehensive.

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This isn't my part of town,

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so I don't know how welcome I am or how often, really, you know,

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Catholics would go into a building like that, erm...

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Yeah.

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DRUMMING GROWS LOUDER

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This band is called Pride of Ardoyne.

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They have a reputation amongst some Catholics as being offensive.

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It's very rare for an outsider like me to be invited in like this.

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But some members of this band

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say they want to set the record straight.

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Gary is the band's lead drummer.

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He's 22 and he works in a factory.

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He recently became a dad.

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The band takes up the rest of his time.

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It's always been there, if you know what I mean? It's part of my life.

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It's kind of always been practice every week, parades most weekends.

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It's just... It's been part of me growing up. I've always been there.

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Gordie's also just become a dad.

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He's out of work, so being in the band means a lot to him.

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The band, it's a...

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It's like a...an escape, if you like, to get away from...

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Like, not that family life is crap,

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but just to get away from it and to have your own group,

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have a laugh and stuff, and...

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take your mind off things. It's brilliant.

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Being here in this room is a bit strange for me.

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You can't even be in a band like this

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if you're a Catholic - only Protestants get to beat these drums.

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It's also men only.

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We're going to teach Alys how to play the bass drum.

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INDISTINCT CHATTER

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'So when band leader Michael asks ME to join in,

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'I'm not sure what to do.'

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I have no rhythm at all.

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I'll keep you right...

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CHEERING

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Oh, yeah, you've got me fired now!

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'I can't believe I played a bass drum for a Loyalist flute band.'

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I'm in so much trouble!

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Band practice is over for tonight,

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but it looks like my time with Pride of Ardoyne is just beginning.

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They've agreed to let me follow them this summer

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as they march the streets.

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In a week, they'll bring me to my first parade.

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To many people in Belfast, especially Catholics,

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Loyalist bands like Pride of Ardoyne exist in a different world.

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Meet Tania and Roisin.

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Tania is 19 and hoping to train to be a nurse.

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Roisin has just finished her A-Levels

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and wants to be airline cabin crew.

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Tonight, they're out in Belfast city centre.

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20 years ago, the violence meant that much of the city centre

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was a no-go area after dark.

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Not any more.

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Belfast is actually a really, really good place to go out.

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Like, the nightlife is really nice and there's no bother

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when you go out. The city centre in Belfast

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is a really neutral place.

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You wouldn't get anybody that's going to worry about

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where you're from or what religion you are.

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No-one asks questions like that when you come into town.

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But Tania and Roisin don't live in the city centre.

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They're from Ardoyne, in the north of the city.

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In fact, the Pride of Ardoyne band hall isn't very far away.

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But that's not somewhere Tania and Roisin could ever go -

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because they're Catholics.

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This part of Belfast is really divided along religious lines.

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Even the bus stops are Catholic or Protestant.

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The girls would never consider using the Protestant one.

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Do you not think it's funny that

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you don't get the bus stop closest to your house?

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I think it's quite funny that people think that's weird,

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because if you go to a bus stop that's not in your area,

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you're kind of at risk, anything could happen,

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there's no definite thing that you're safe.

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Like, if we've got a bus stop in our own area and we know that

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if we get on the bus, we're going to know somebody

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and it's more local, then we're going to get that bus.

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Roisin, what about you?

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Why would I get a bus over there if I've got a bus stop here?

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You know, it wouldn't make a difference, like.

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I wouldn't put myself at risk of someone saying, "She's a Catholic."

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It's not as if you're fighting for your church or anything.

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It probably started about religion, but it's not about religion no more.

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God doesn't come into it, doesn't he not?

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SHE LAUGHS

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It's absolutely nothing to do with religion, whatsoever.

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I think people have been so brainwashed by politics.

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Whatever they think it is, people still act on it -

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so you have to react.

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Tania and Roisin say it's about two tribes and their turf.

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And Tania told me she would consider

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leaving this area to get away from it all.

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It's a territorial thing, here.

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Like, that's their land and this is our land.

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That's the way it is, that's how they see it.

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The divisions don't just exist in people's heads.

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When one side feels their turf is under threat,

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it can get very ugly very quickly.

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Every summer, Pride of Ardoyne band marches past the Catholic estate

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where Tanya and Roisin live.

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The Catholics don't want them

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and every summer, it leads to violence.

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The kind of violence that,

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if it happened anywhere else in the UK, would be big news.

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I want to know what it is about these parades

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that Catholics find so offensive,

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so it's about time I went to one.

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-You going to leave your car there?

-Aye, mate.

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It's Friday night and for Gordie and Gary, it's time to march.

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This is what it's all about for them.

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I've never been to a Loyalist band parade before.

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This parade is staying on the Loyalist side of the lines,

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so it won't attract any protests from Catholics.

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In fact, the only Catholic here will be me.

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The whole point of band parades is about asserting that

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you're Protestant and British.

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Lots of the songs celebrate historical victories

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when Protestants beat Catholics in battle.

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The song they're playing now, The Sash, is a famous one.

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That's one reason why Catholics

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don't like bands like this marching past.

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But the band see it differently.

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The reputation, kind of,

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people think is...we're young yobs,

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either are looking to disrupt

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and to cause chaos, and we're not.

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It's a family band out looking to enjoy themselves

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for the community and to support our culture.

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On their flags, drums, and uniforms

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are the names of four band members who were killed

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during the conflict here, which became known as The Troubles.

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Through the '70s, '80s and '90s,

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there was carnage on the streets of Northern Ireland.

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Republican groups like the IRA wanted the British Government

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to leave Ireland and thought violence was the way to get there.

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Loyalists wanted Northern Ireland to remain part of the UK

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and they fought back.

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In the violence that followed, 3,600 people died

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and up to 50,000 were injured.

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Two of the men remembered by the band,

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Sammy Rocket and William Hanna,

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were reported to be Loyalist paramilitaries.

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These were illegal groups who murdered many Catholics,

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so Catholics find it offensive that when the band goes out marching,

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the names of paramilitaries are on the band uniforms.

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They see these men as villains.

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The band see them as martyrs.

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We don't class them as paramilitary. They were band members.

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They were in the band. Anybody who was killed in The Troubles

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with the band... That's why they're on our bannerette.

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Don't think paramilitaries are anything to do with it.

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It was just... they were members of the band.

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Same with anybody in the band, doesn't matter who they are,

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they're getting remembered because past band members have been killed.

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I was walking along with the band and the music was rousing

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and everyone's out on their front step cheering them on,

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and everyone's in a really good mood and the sun is shining,

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and they've had a couple of drinks, and I kind of get it.

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I know why they love it, and I know why it feels so important to them.

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I'm just always left with...

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the question about Northern Ireland

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is that every time people say we're celebrating our culture,

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it is at the detriment to someone else's culture.

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In some ways, it's not surprising how divided this place is,

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when you consider the recent history here.

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Even though 15 years ago, a majority of people voted for peace,

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there have been plenty of disturbing incidents since.

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Tania and Roisin were caught up in one of the worst of them.

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Aged just seven and eight,

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the girls were pupils at

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Holy Cross Primary School.

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It's a Catholic school,

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but it's in the Protestant Loyalist part of Ardoyne...

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SHOUTING

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..and in 2001, things went very wrong.

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INDISTINCT SHOUTING

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Some Protestant residents began picketing the Catholic children

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and their parents as they walked to school.

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Get over the other side!

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It got out of control very quickly

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and it made headlines around the world.

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There has been more violence tonight in North Belfast, on the second day

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of protests about the route Catholic children are taking to school.

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We didn't really take in that they hated us,

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because we knew there was no reason, like, we hadn't done anything wrong.

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And it wasn't really our business, as such.

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So we kind of just walked up the road and protected ourselves.

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The main thing was to stay away from whatever they were throwing in.

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We were making a tunnel out of all the parents and the police.

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We were just kind of making our way through, because we were so small.

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The Holy Cross dispute stretched out over weeks.

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Roisin remembers having bags of urine thrown at her and her friends.

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SHOUTING

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Yelling, blowing whistles,

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throwing water balloons with piss. Disgusting.

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It had to be explained to me, like,

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what a Protestant was and what a Catholic was,

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so I understood why everyone was fighting.

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You're a fucking dirt-bag!

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It doesn't matter what side of the line you live on.

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Many people here, even the younger ones, have been touched by violence.

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Gordie, the drummer in the band, was almost killed when he was a child.

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Today, he's taking us to the place where it happened.

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..me and my daddy was walking down the Shankill. I can't remember

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what building it was that blew up, but we were just three shops away.

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We only stopped because I saw a motorbike in the shop window,

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or something, that was the only reason why we stopped.

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So if I hadn't, we probably would have been right outside it.

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A lot of people was murdered.

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Ten people died when the IRA bombed the Shankill fish shop in 1993.

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It was one of the worst incidents

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of the whole conflict in Northern Ireland.

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What kind of experience have you and your family had of The Troubles?

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My granddad, he was shot when he was standing in the kitchen

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washing his hands - through the head, by the IRA.

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But there was no-one ever caught or brought to justice for it.

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A few years later

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and the IRA came to Gordie's house to kill his father.

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His father and grandfather were targeted

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because they were in the British Army.

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My daddy's next-door neighbour at the time...

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The IRA came out to shoot...

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It was meant to be for my daddy,

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but he was away in work at the time

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and the next-door neighbour got shot dead in place.

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So that was a bit of an upset, like,

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so they had to pack up and move

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because of death threats and stuff. Because that happened.

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See, I was only a young boy when I was hearing those stories,

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and I thought all this here - guns and the army and stuff -

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I thought... I used to think it was great.

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But now when you're older and really take into consideration what...

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People trying to murder my father and stuff,

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and my grandfather WAS murdered. It's...

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It's daunting, like. You wouldn't know what to do

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when you're in the situation yourself, like.

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It's the middle of June,

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four weeks away from the Twelfth of July celebrations.

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On the Loyalist side, one of the big summer traditions is under way.

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The night before the bands take to the streets

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on the twelfth of July, they'll gather round a massive bonfire.

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This tradition goes back over 300 years,

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to the victory of the Protestant King William

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over Catholic King James at the Battle of the Boyne.

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The bonfire will be huge -

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so huge, they have to start building it weeks in advance.

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They collect as many wooden pallets from local businesses as they can.

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Every year, there's fierce competition between

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Loyalist neighbourhoods.

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Size is everything.

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Tully's a flag-carrier in the band -

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he's been building these bonfires for years.

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Lee, also in the band, is his right-hand man.

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How long does it take you to build a bonfire?

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You'd start usually about mid-June, have it done,

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you'd work right up until the 11th of July

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and you'll have it finished there for it getting lit that night.

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And what are you celebrating?

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We're just celebrating our culture, cos it's been going on

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for so many years, you were brought up to do it.

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It's just something you want to keep going.

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They start by building a hut.

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From now until the bonfire is built, they'll use this as a guard-post

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to protect it, in case Catholics come in from

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the other side and set it alight or other Loyalists steal their wood.

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So you guys stay overnight in the hut?

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Aye, we'll just stay till the next morning,

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till the kids come out of their beds and then they'll be running about.

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And for how long are you staying in there?

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-In the hut?

-Yeah.

-That there's us out every night.

0:23:460:23:48

-Every night?

-Aye.

0:23:480:23:50

On the Twelfth of July, hundreds of marching bands

0:23:560:23:59

will take to the streets

0:23:590:24:00

and many of them will march past Catholic areas.

0:24:000:24:03

Tania is already dreading it,

0:24:080:24:10

because the parade traditionally goes right past her house.

0:24:100:24:13

-The house is just on the edge...

-Yeah.

0:24:180:24:20

-..of the Ardoyne and the parades would go...

-Yeah.

0:24:200:24:23

..straight across the... Or just outside your house.

0:24:230:24:26

What's it like here on the 12th?

0:24:260:24:28

It's hectic, it's really bad here.

0:24:280:24:32

People on the front of the road would probably cover their windows

0:24:330:24:37

and stuff like that, so missiles and stuff don't come through your window.

0:24:370:24:41

Last year, just before Christmas,

0:24:410:24:43

someone managed to throw a brick through Tania's window.

0:24:430:24:47

It means she no longer really feels safe in her own bedroom.

0:24:470:24:51

Does that make you feel nervous?

0:24:510:24:52

Would you sleep in here on the night of the 12th?

0:24:520:24:55

No. Like, most years so far, I haven't even been in my house,

0:24:550:24:59

I've stayed at my granny's or went to a friend's house.

0:24:590:25:04

Or I would sleep in my mum's room, or in the living room,

0:25:040:25:07

on the floor, yeah.

0:25:070:25:08

Because it's too dangerous, like, it's such an easy target.

0:25:080:25:11

What does the Twelfth represent to you?

0:25:160:25:19

In all seriousness, it doesn't mean anything to me -

0:25:190:25:21

it's just a day of trouble.

0:25:210:25:22

The wall outside Tania's house is the dividing line

0:25:270:25:30

between Protestant and Catholic.

0:25:300:25:33

But it's small, compared to some of the other ones in Ardoyne.

0:25:330:25:37

These huge barricades are called peace walls.

0:25:390:25:42

They're there for one reason - to keep the two communities apart.

0:25:420:25:47

There's talk of trying to take some of these walls down,

0:25:490:25:52

but Tania doesn't want that.

0:25:520:25:54

I probably wouldn't feel safe in my house,

0:25:540:25:56

and there'd be no escaping it, either,

0:25:560:25:58

because I couldn't sleep in all the rooms now

0:25:580:26:01

that I go to because I can't sleep up here.

0:26:010:26:04

I don't think many people would continue living here

0:26:060:26:08

if there was no protection there.

0:26:080:26:10

It's the 21st of June and tonight,

0:26:200:26:22

the band are getting ready for the first big parade

0:26:220:26:25

of the marching season.

0:26:250:26:26

It's in Belfast and it's called the Tour of the North.

0:26:330:26:38

And they've agreed to let me follow them.

0:26:380:26:40

I feel like I should have a drum or something.

0:26:460:26:48

Once, these bands could pretty much march anywhere they wanted to.

0:26:500:26:53

But more protests by Catholics mean that these days,

0:26:590:27:03

they are often re-routed away from Catholic areas.

0:27:030:27:08

When that happens, the band don't like it.

0:27:080:27:10

People are feeling very angry about it, like.

0:27:120:27:14

It's upset a lot of people.

0:27:150:27:17

They've been taking away, chipping away at us, year by year,

0:27:170:27:20

taking bits and bits away from us - like not walking down

0:27:200:27:24

certain roads, not playing certain tunes at certain points.

0:27:240:27:27

And they're trying to stop our culture,

0:27:280:27:31

they're trying to stop it altogether.

0:27:310:27:33

And they'll not be happy until it does stop.

0:27:330:27:36

On tonight's march,

0:27:370:27:39

the band have already been told they won't be allowed to walk

0:27:390:27:42

their usual way home, past the Catholic part of Ardoyne.

0:27:420:27:45

They'll have to go home another way.

0:27:520:27:54

CHANTING DROWNS SPEECH

0:27:560:27:59

Somewhere up ahead is a police roadblock.

0:28:020:28:05

We're coming up to the blockade now.

0:28:050:28:08

Everyone's getting really excited, the band are all shouting

0:28:080:28:11

and all the supporters are kind of getting excited.

0:28:110:28:14

They're coming up to the police lines now,

0:28:210:28:23

they're going to march right up - it's totally hectic.

0:28:230:28:27

GLASS BOTTLE SMASHES

0:28:380:28:41

They're starting to throw glass bottles,

0:28:460:28:49

so why don't we stay right back?

0:28:490:28:51

-But...

-INDISTINCT SHOUTING

0:28:510:28:53

The band is angry that they have been stopped,

0:28:570:29:00

but they disperse quickly and the situation calms down.

0:29:000:29:03

Tonight, the band will take this decision on the chin,

0:29:090:29:12

because they know the most important day to get up this road

0:29:120:29:15

is the 12th of July.

0:29:150:29:17

On that day, they have always been allowed through...

0:29:170:29:21

..and they expect this year to be no different.

0:29:220:29:25

Now, the big day is just three weeks away.

0:29:260:29:29

It's the end of June and it's Roisin's last day of school.

0:29:390:29:44

But this school is different to most others in Northern Ireland.

0:29:440:29:47

Here, Catholics and Protestants go to school together...

0:29:490:29:53

..and it seems to work.

0:29:540:29:56

Lots of people think this may be a solution to the division.

0:29:590:30:03

But in Northern Ireland,

0:30:030:30:05

it's still very rare. Only 7% of young people are in mixed schools.

0:30:050:30:09

There's a reason Roisin wanted to go to school here...

0:30:110:30:14

EXPLOSION

0:30:140:30:17

..Holy Cross.

0:30:180:30:20

After the ordeal of being attacked by Protestants

0:30:200:30:23

on her way to primary school, Roisin made a big decision.

0:30:230:30:27

I just thought I didn't want to judge them all for what, like,

0:30:280:30:31

some of them had just done.

0:30:310:30:33

I wanted to give, like, other people a chance.

0:30:330:30:36

Cos not everyone's the same, so...

0:30:360:30:38

Why do you think there aren't more integrated schools?

0:30:410:30:44

Cos not everyone agrees with it, no way.

0:30:440:30:46

Really? Do you think people would disagree with a mixed school?

0:30:460:30:49

-Yeah, definitely.

-Even if... Yeah.

0:30:490:30:51

The thought of little kids mixing with other people

0:30:510:30:54

-of different religions, definitely, like.

-Really?

-Yeah.

0:30:540:30:57

I know people that didn't want me to be sent here - my family.

0:30:570:31:00

-Really?

-Yeah.

-Why?

-Disagreed with it. They didn't think it was right.

0:31:000:31:04

What do you think the best bit is about integrated school?

0:31:040:31:07

It doesn't teach one solid religion, like, it's open-minded to everybody.

0:31:070:31:10

It doesn't teach you that they're different

0:31:100:31:12

or you're different. It's, like, yous are all equal,

0:31:120:31:14

so yous'll all be treated as equal. Religion doesn't come into it.

0:31:140:31:17

But back in Ardoyne, the divisions still matter.

0:31:230:31:27

Even Roisin has to live with them when she's on home turf.

0:31:270:31:29

Tania has only recently started walking up to the school

0:31:310:31:34

to pick up her cousin.

0:31:340:31:36

Roisin hasn't walked up the road to Holy Cross since it happened.

0:31:370:31:41

Until today.

0:31:410:31:42

Do you remember the last time you walked up the road?

0:31:450:31:47

No, I was trying to think, but no.

0:31:470:31:49

-Does it feel a little weird?

-Yeah, it feels really weird.

0:31:510:31:54

I want to hide behind Tania!

0:31:540:31:56

THEY LAUGH

0:31:560:31:58

Would you be conscious of who's looking at you?

0:32:000:32:02

Yeah, really. Definitely.

0:32:020:32:03

-Why?

-Cos this is a Protestant area and we're Catholic.

0:32:050:32:09

Everywhere you look, you can see the letters K-A-T

0:32:220:32:26

written on the walls.

0:32:260:32:28

What does that say there on...?

0:32:280:32:30

Kill All Taigs.

0:32:300:32:31

What does that mean?

0:32:310:32:33

Kill all Catholics.

0:32:330:32:35

GIRL CRIES

0:32:350:32:37

The graffiti, it does say K-A-T everywhere.

0:32:370:32:40

Taig is just slang for Catholic, really. Um...

0:32:400:32:44

And they paint the pavements red, white and blue -

0:32:440:32:48

it's kind of just marking their territory.

0:32:480:32:51

I did say before, "There's our land and their land,"

0:32:510:32:56

and it's completely different,

0:32:560:32:58

and you can see the invisible division,

0:32:580:33:00

you can feel it, and you just don't cross it.

0:33:000:33:03

The Holy Cross protests may have stopped,

0:33:050:33:08

but it feels like the hatred is still here, written on the walls.

0:33:080:33:12

It's no wonder Roisin isn't happy.

0:33:130:33:15

-Hello, Amy.

-Want to say hello?

0:33:230:33:25

When I was walking up the road that day,

0:33:250:33:28

I was just so nervous, I don't know why.

0:33:280:33:30

It's not just like a normal Protestant area,

0:33:300:33:33

where you can be like, "Oh, right, I'll chance it."

0:33:330:33:36

But because so much has happened up there...

0:33:360:33:39

-See you later.

-Bye!

0:33:410:33:42

That's a really bizarre experience,

0:33:460:33:48

not least for the girls, because one thing that was really clear

0:33:480:33:51

was that Roisin, in particular,

0:33:510:33:53

was looking over her shoulder every few minutes.

0:33:530:33:56

I mean, it was really concerning

0:33:560:34:00

and it's just so frightening to think that now, after all this time,

0:34:000:34:05

that they really, genuinely, are concerned about walking to a school

0:34:050:34:10

that they went to, to pick up their wee cousin, which is, like,

0:34:100:34:13

300 metres up the road.

0:34:130:34:15

Just around the corner from the school,

0:34:240:34:26

on the Loyalist side of the peace wall, the bonfire is taking shape.

0:34:260:34:31

It's only a fortnight until the 12th of July,

0:34:320:34:35

when it has to be finished.

0:34:350:34:36

Tully and Lee are working on it

0:34:380:34:40

almost every day -

0:34:400:34:41

staying out most nights to guard it.

0:34:410:34:43

But when the sun is out, there's always time for a barbecue.

0:34:480:34:52

The band doesn't just march together -

0:34:530:34:55

they and their families hang out together, too.

0:34:550:34:58

Go over and get them.

0:34:590:35:01

Go and get the baps out.

0:35:010:35:03

HE LAUGHS

0:35:030:35:05

Excellent work, Gordie.

0:35:050:35:06

-All my hard work. All me, no-one else.

-I know.

0:35:070:35:10

You've been vindicated now, all the hard work's paid off.

0:35:100:35:14

INDISTINCT CHATTER

0:35:150:35:19

'Tully tells me the bonfire-building is on course.

0:35:210:35:24

'When it's finished, the bonfire will be as high as the peace wall.'

0:35:240:35:29

Can the people over the peace wall see the bonfire?

0:35:290:35:31

They can see in their houses, they can see right over.

0:35:310:35:36

Sometimes, they sit and talk to you

0:35:360:35:39

and give you a wee wave, or you could be lucky and get a finger from them!

0:35:390:35:42

Do you give one back?

0:35:430:35:45

I just laugh. You have to.

0:35:450:35:46

HUBBUB DROWNS SPEECH

0:35:460:35:50

'When the bonfire is finished,

0:35:500:35:51

'they'll put an Irish flag on top of it,

0:35:510:35:53

'because the Republic of Ireland is seen as

0:35:530:35:56

'the traditional enemy of Loyalism.

0:35:560:35:58

'There's no getting around it - that's pretty provocative

0:35:580:36:01

'and offensive to most Catholics.

0:36:010:36:04

'Michael, the band leader, makes an appearance.'

0:36:040:36:07

Why do you put the Irish flag on top of the bonfire?

0:36:070:36:10

It's not the flag of our country, it's a foreign flag in our country.

0:36:100:36:14

Just like they burn the Union Jack. It's a foreign flag.

0:36:140:36:18

INDISTINCT CHATTER

0:36:180:36:23

The Tricolour?

0:36:230:36:24

The Tricolour, yeah, that's my flag.

0:36:240:36:26

It's your flag - I know it's your flag. But why is it your flag?

0:36:260:36:29

-Cos I'm from Donegal.

-Oh, you're Donegal.

0:36:290:36:32

Our flag's the Union Jack.

0:36:330:36:36

We just put it up cos it's always been the way.

0:36:360:36:39

'With the big Twelfth of July marches just around the corner,

0:36:410:36:44

'the band still hasn't found out whether they will be allowed

0:36:440:36:47

'to march past the Catholic estate at Ardoyne.

0:36:470:36:51

'They feel they have a right to walk down the road.'

0:36:510:36:54

How do you think people would feel

0:36:540:36:56

if you weren't allowed to march past Ardoyne at all?

0:36:560:36:58

It's supposed to be a shared space. They're allowed to walk to

0:36:580:37:00

their schools, but we're not allowed to walk down onto the Shankill.

0:37:000:37:03

Of course they should be able to walk to their schools.

0:37:030:37:05

Does that happen?

0:37:070:37:09

Our kids coming home from school and the abuse they're getting,

0:37:100:37:13

-it's terrible.

-Getting spat at, getting chased.

0:37:130:37:15

'Kill all Huns' is the other side's answer to 'Kill all Taigs'.

0:37:150:37:21

It means - kill all Protestants.

0:37:210:37:23

On both sides of the fence, it feels like people

0:37:250:37:28

are prepared to believe almost anything about each other.

0:37:280:37:32

If you were walking down past the Ardoyne shops,

0:37:320:37:34

through the Catholic area on your own, what would happen to you?

0:37:340:37:37

It depends, they could know you, they might not know you, so...

0:37:370:37:41

But if they knew that you were from up here?

0:37:410:37:44

Good luck to you. That's all I would say.

0:37:440:37:46

You're not getting by there.

0:37:460:37:48

SMOKE ALARM GOES OFF

0:37:520:37:55

It is really surprising that three miles from where I live,

0:38:020:38:08

these guys are living with such huge division and hatred.

0:38:080:38:14

It feels dangerous.

0:38:160:38:17

It feels like it wouldn't take very much

0:38:170:38:22

for it to really kick off.

0:38:220:38:25

Those boys, as lovely as they are, are angry, angry, angry boys.

0:38:250:38:30

And the other side are angry.

0:38:320:38:36

And just because we've had 15 years of peace

0:38:360:38:43

doesn't mean and doesn't seem to be changing the way that they feel...

0:38:430:38:50

..or reaching them, quite. So...

0:38:520:38:54

It does... It feels like it could be very dangerous. It feels volatile.

0:38:560:39:03

RADIO: 'This is BBC Radio Ulster.

0:39:050:39:07

'The Parades Commission has ruled that the Orange Order

0:39:100:39:13

'cannot parade past the sectarian interface at Ardoyne.'

0:39:130:39:17

It's the 11th of July, the day before the parade,

0:39:200:39:24

and there's some surprising news.

0:39:240:39:26

For the first time ever, the band have been told

0:39:260:39:29

they won't be allowed to march home past the Catholic estate.

0:39:290:39:33

Loyalists right across Northern Ireland are outraged.

0:39:350:39:38

I think the Protestant people have just pushed too far this time.

0:39:400:39:44

I think we kind of took it on the chin for a couple years,

0:39:440:39:47

but I think it's been pushed too far

0:39:470:39:49

and somebody's going to have to sort it out.

0:39:490:39:52

It's like a powder keg, they've been...

0:39:520:39:55

The fuses are there and I think now it's been lit.

0:39:550:39:59

I think now it's just ready to erupt.

0:39:590:40:00

It looks like there's going to be trouble.

0:40:020:40:05

I go to see Tania, who's starting to get worried.

0:40:070:40:10

What do you think will happen now?

0:40:120:40:14

It's kind of changed the game, hasn't it?

0:40:140:40:17

A lot of people are saying they don't know,

0:40:170:40:19

they can't expect anything and this is different

0:40:190:40:21

than any other year, but I think it's going to be a lot worse.

0:40:210:40:24

I think it's going to be the worst yet.

0:40:240:40:27

Why so?

0:40:270:40:29

Because it was such a dramatic change,

0:40:290:40:32

it's such a dramatic decision to make.

0:40:320:40:34

And this has never happened before. The parade's always went up.

0:40:340:40:37

It's time for Tania to batten down the hatches.

0:40:400:40:42

She has to move her bed away from the window...

0:40:440:40:47

..and cover the glass with bin bags, in case it's broken.

0:40:500:40:53

It is a really bizarre way to have to live, but, unfortunately,

0:40:550:40:58

for people that live in Ardoyne, that's usual -

0:40:580:41:01

that's normal for us and that's just what you have to do.

0:41:010:41:04

On the other side of the peace wall, Tully has done his job.

0:41:170:41:21

From the top of the bonfire, he can look over the wall

0:41:250:41:29

into the Catholic estate and they can see him.

0:41:290:41:32

The Fire Brigade turn up to make sure the bonfire

0:41:330:41:36

isn't going to collapse once it's lit -

0:41:360:41:38

something that happens pretty often to bonfires of this size.

0:41:380:41:42

-Good, isn't it?

-Aye, are you pleased?

0:41:440:41:46

Oh, aye. Happy with that, like.

0:41:460:41:48

What'll happen now?

0:41:480:41:50

Gets burnt. Twelve o'clock.

0:41:500:41:53

How do they burn it?

0:41:530:41:54

Petrol. Down it, then a big pipe and then just light it.

0:41:540:41:59

Light it by a petrol bomb, or just petrol?

0:41:590:42:01

Don't know. See what happens.

0:42:010:42:02

The bonfire is covered in Irish flags,

0:42:040:42:06

and there's that slogan again - Kill all Taigs,

0:42:060:42:10

or kill all Catholics.

0:42:100:42:11

This is really bizarre for me.

0:42:160:42:18

By now, I feel welcome in this community,

0:42:180:42:22

but they're burning the flag of my country

0:42:220:42:24

and writing slogans about killing anyone

0:42:240:42:25

who happens to be Catholic, like me.

0:42:250:42:28

It's midnight. The big moment is finally here...

0:42:340:42:37

..and the petrol bombs come out.

0:42:380:42:40

CHEERING

0:42:420:42:45

CLAPPING

0:43:050:43:07

That's something else.

0:43:090:43:10

I don't know if they have any Health and Safety rules, but...

0:43:100:43:14

The band won't get a lot of sleep tonight.

0:43:180:43:20

In just five hours from now, they will meet to march.

0:43:200:43:23

But this 12th of July won't be like previous ones.

0:43:230:43:28

It's obvious that trouble is brewing.

0:43:300:43:32

What about the decision to stop yous on the way back?

0:43:340:43:37

Dreadful, don't know how they came up with that.

0:43:370:43:40

I'm disgusted, sure.

0:43:400:43:42

-Do you reckon people are pretty cross?

-Aye.

0:43:420:43:46

What do you think could happen? Do you think it could kick off?

0:43:480:43:52

I could see it happening.

0:43:520:43:53

You can just tell that tensions are high at the minute.

0:43:530:43:56

Tully thinks that the Catholics on the other side have managed to get

0:43:560:44:00

the parade banned because they've rioted every year when it happens.

0:44:000:44:04

We want to see what happens if we kick off.

0:44:110:44:13

It's the morning of the 12th of July,

0:44:260:44:29

and it promises to be one of the hottest days

0:44:290:44:32

Belfast has seen in years.

0:44:320:44:35

Today, the band will march almost 20 miles in 28-degree heat.

0:44:350:44:39

It's like waking up Christmas morning,

0:44:390:44:42

getting everything you've ever wanted -

0:44:420:44:44

goose-bumps running up and down your back.

0:44:440:44:46

Your hairs stand on end when you hear them cheering and stuff.

0:44:460:44:49

It's brilliant.

0:44:490:44:50

Today, Pride of Ardoyne will be at the centre of a storm.

0:45:000:45:04

Everyone will be watching them to find out what will happen

0:45:040:45:06

at the end of the day when they are stopped from marching home.

0:45:060:45:11

I'm the only outsider who's been allowed to walk with them.

0:45:110:45:15

It's 8:30am. The band have been joined by their supporters

0:45:240:45:30

and they're marching into the city centre.

0:45:300:45:32

Everyone is hyped-up.

0:45:320:45:35

On this early-morning outward leg of the parade,

0:45:360:45:40

the band are allowed to march past the Catholic area.

0:45:400:45:43

But they won't be allowed to return this way.

0:45:430:45:45

The band are just coming down towards the flash-point part.

0:45:510:45:54

And they've been joined by loads and loads of supporters.

0:45:540:45:56

And just behind us is where the Republican protest is going to be.

0:45:560:46:00

They're allowed to walk past this morning,

0:46:000:46:03

but later, they'll be stopped before they get to this point.

0:46:030:46:06

Suddenly, the police move in.

0:46:160:46:18

So the supporters are going to try and actually get down through here,

0:46:220:46:26

but the police and shields are barricading up.

0:46:260:46:29

The band were supposed to walk past the Catholic area

0:46:320:46:35

with only 100 supporters,

0:46:350:46:37

but many more have turned up and they're not allowed through.

0:46:370:46:41

It's not even nine o'clock in the morning and already,

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there's a stand-off with police.

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On the Catholic side, Tania is getting nervous.

0:47:000:47:03

Last night, I went to bed quite early because I was too scared.

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Maybe I thought I'd fall asleep before anything happened.

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There was shouting and stuff, People were singing, like,

0:47:100:47:13

"Kill all Taigs" and stuff and I was, like,

0:47:130:47:15

"Wow, I've never had to go to sleep with that kind of lullaby before!"

0:47:150:47:19

Bit weird. No, I didn't sleep very well

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and I woke up at about eight o'clock

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to wait and see what the news was up here.

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The band are wondering if their big day is over

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before it has even begun.

0:47:360:47:38

So what happens if you don't get down, do you think?

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Don't know. Have to wait and see.

0:47:420:47:44

Play the waiting game now.

0:47:440:47:46

'But after a bit of negotiation, they are on the move again,

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'towards the Catholic area and the protestors.'

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Band on this side, police on this side,

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and the other side, the protestors.

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And along this stretch, they're not allowed to have any hymns,

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sing, chant - just a single drumbeat.

0:48:040:48:08

And there's lots of people just over here.

0:48:080:48:10

SINGLE DRUMBEAT CONTINUES

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That parade is offensive. It's celebrating the death of Catholics.

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We have every right to say,

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"Look, that's offensive. You can't just walk past our area

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"and offend people like that."

0:48:290:48:30

The second the band cross the invisible dividing line

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into a Loyalist area, the restrictions are lifted.

0:48:350:48:39

When these boys hit the roundabout, then they can play.

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SINGLE DRUMBEAT CONTINUES

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DRUMMING SPEEDS UP

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So that's it. We've come through the tense bit.

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The police, by and large, will step back now.

0:48:590:49:02

It just depends what happens later on this evening

0:49:020:49:04

when they try to come back up home.

0:49:040:49:07

That was tense. I can breathe now!

0:49:070:49:11

In the city centre, tens of thousands of people

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are out on the streets.

0:49:230:49:25

Halfway through, the band gets a break.

0:49:330:49:36

On the way home, they know they'll meet a police roadblock,

0:49:360:49:40

and no-one is expecting it to be peaceful.

0:49:400:49:43

What do you reckon will happen when you get stopped by the police?

0:49:450:49:49

I think once the police go heavy-handed...

0:49:490:49:51

Our ones aren't going to stand and take it.

0:49:510:49:54

I think our ones will come out in force and show them.

0:49:540:49:57

So I can see it just going nuts.

0:49:570:49:59

Lee, what do you reckon?

0:49:590:50:02

I don't know what will happen. I don't know.

0:50:020:50:04

Anything could happen.

0:50:040:50:07

It's early evening and the band are marching home.

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CHEERING

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When the band come into town, they get a really big reception

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because of all the controversy.

0:50:240:50:26

Watch how the crowd react.

0:50:260:50:28

The atmosphere is different now.

0:50:390:50:41

A lot of people have been drinking.

0:50:410:50:43

Pride of Ardoyne is getting a huge reception.

0:50:470:50:50

The crowd knows they're minutes away from hitting the roadblock.

0:51:010:51:04

At Catholic Ardoyne, crowds have gathered

0:51:110:51:13

and there are hundreds of police.

0:51:130:51:16

It's tense, but they know the band won't be allowed past this time

0:51:160:51:20

and, for the first time in years,

0:51:200:51:22

there's no rioting on the Catholic side.

0:51:220:51:24

Back in the middle of the Loyalist parade,

0:51:280:51:30

we're almost at the police roadblock.

0:51:300:51:33

CHEERING

0:51:350:51:38

At first, there's a street party atmosphere.

0:51:400:51:42

Then the first bottles are thrown at police.

0:51:450:51:48

The police helicopter's just above

0:51:500:51:52

and they're starting to throw missiles across.

0:51:520:51:55

Guys are coming up on top of the Land Rovers.

0:51:570:51:59

A water cannon is brought out...

0:52:070:52:09

..and very quickly, it's used.

0:52:130:52:15

We are caught in the middle.

0:52:170:52:19

The atmosphere changes very quickly.

0:52:200:52:22

Then a man approaches the camera and threatens us,

0:52:240:52:27

telling us to stop filming and to get out.

0:52:270:52:30

I film on my phone, as Gary moves back and Gordie is soaked.

0:52:330:52:37

Up at the police lines,

0:52:430:52:45

members of another band are attacking the police.

0:52:450:52:47

Some of them are using ceremonial swords.

0:52:490:52:51

It's getting serious and it's clear we're not safe here any more.

0:52:530:52:57

We've just had to move from the other side of the police lines

0:53:010:53:04

where, basically, we were threatened by a man

0:53:040:53:07

I can only assume was a paramilitary,

0:53:070:53:09

and the band got very tetchy

0:53:090:53:11

and asked us to get out as quickly as possible.

0:53:110:53:13

There are people lying in there

0:53:130:53:14

with their heads split open from the water cannon.

0:53:140:53:17

I'm totally soaked.

0:53:170:53:19

And it doesn't look like that's going to end any time soon.

0:53:190:53:22

When we were leaving, there was reams of boys

0:53:220:53:24

running through with bricks in their hands.

0:53:240:53:26

You just knew it was time to go.

0:53:260:53:28

And soon, it gets a lot worse.

0:53:340:53:37

There's bricks and bottles coming through

0:53:410:53:43

and the water cannon's being used and plastic bullets -

0:53:430:53:46

it's a full-on riot.

0:53:460:53:47

Across Belfast, 32 police officers will end up being injured tonight.

0:53:520:53:56

I watched the riots for several hours,

0:53:590:54:01

but I didn't see any of the band members I knew taking part.

0:54:010:54:04

The 12th of July is drawing to a close

0:54:060:54:09

and my marching season is over.

0:54:090:54:12

It's the end of the biggest day of the marching season,

0:54:130:54:16

but I've no idea how long this is going to go on for.

0:54:160:54:20

It might go on for a couple of hours, the way some of the band

0:54:200:54:23

were speaking to me, it might go on for a couple of days.

0:54:230:54:26

But even beyond that, this is Belfast today.

0:54:260:54:30

You know, so many years after an agreement. And this isn't normal,

0:54:300:54:34

this isn't normal society.

0:54:340:54:37

It doesn't give me a lot of hope, really, for the future.

0:54:390:54:42

It kind of feels like this is deja vu,

0:54:420:54:45

and it's the kind of thing that's just going to go on and on.

0:54:450:54:48

I'm just going to up and leave North Belfast,

0:55:230:55:25

I don't think I'll be here.

0:55:250:55:28

The fact that when people don't get their own way, chaos breaks out

0:55:280:55:30

and all they do is riot. And that's the only solution,

0:55:300:55:33

and nobody even offers to sit down and just talk something out,

0:55:330:55:36

which is the most mature thing to do,

0:55:360:55:39

which will actually get things done.

0:55:390:55:40

No, I don't want to be here, it makes life too difficult

0:55:400:55:43

and I don't want my kids, when they grow up, having the same trouble.

0:55:430:55:47

I'm going to stay at it.

0:56:060:56:08

Hopefully, we'll get up this road and keep on supporting

0:56:080:56:11

and marching and celebrating our culture.

0:56:110:56:13

If I get up this road, it will be a big bonus.

0:56:150:56:19

We're not going to push for anything else - this is all we want.

0:56:190:56:22

We don't want any violence ourselves, or...

0:56:220:56:25

We just want up home, to be able to celebrate,

0:56:250:56:28

to be able to finish our 12th.

0:56:280:56:30

It's not over yet.

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