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Over 50 years ago, the drug thalidomide shocked the world. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:12 | |
There are some children without arms, some without legs, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:17 | |
some without arms OR legs. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
We're looking at the very worst disaster inflicted by medicine. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
For ten years, a battle for compensation was fought | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
against one of Britain's largest corporations. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
This was one of the dirtiest pieces of litigation | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
run by a large corporate ever. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
One man stood up against this injustice. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
I said, "I don't agree with all this. I think it's absolutely absurd. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
"I think it's ridiculous and I am not going to accept it." | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
But this man would see those he was fighting for turn against him. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
For the vast majority of parents, he doesn't represent them at all. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
The other parents described him as a bit of a show-off, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
and enjoying it all. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
And many attempted to silence his story. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
David Mason said, "I am being blackmailed into a cover-up | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
"about what almost amounts to an atrocity." | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
The phone calls were terrible, threatening physical violence. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:19 | |
Some of them threatened the well-being of my family. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
But his actions set in motion a chain of events | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
that changed the lives of every thalidomide child in this country. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
Our lives would not be what they are today without the work he had done. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:36 | |
And the legacy of that battle continues today, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
over 50 years on from the tragedy. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
Campaigners are now focusing on the inventors of the drug. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
What gives that company the right to get away from this | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
without recognising the damage they've caused, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
not just to us, but to whole families? | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
BABY CRIES | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
When I was born, I was born at home, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
delivered by a midwife, who was shocked, to say the least. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:18 | |
I was given to my dad. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
Midwife explained, no arms, no legs. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
I think he was quite gutted, obviously. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
I was born with heart deformities, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
which are quite common to people with thalidomide disability. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
My early days were spent in an oxygen tent. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
I was very small, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
and obviously was fighting for those very early days. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
The door of the delivery room opened and the doctor came out. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:56 | |
He walked towards me and said, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
"Oh, Mr Mason, I wonder if we could have a word." | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
There was no "Congratulations" or anything like that. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
It was just, "I wonder if we could have a word." | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
So I pushed past him, we went into the delivery room, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
and there in the hospital cot was... | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
..Louise, our daughter. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
She can only be described at the time as a torso | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
with what appeared to be little flowers | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
where her arms should be and her legs should be. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
Nothing could have prepared you for such a shock. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
Between 1959 and 1963, hundreds of babies across Britain | 0:03:41 | 0:03:46 | |
were being born severely damaged by thalidomide. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
This drug had been taken by expectant mothers | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
suffering from symptoms of early pregnancy. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
Hundreds of babies have been born deformed, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
some of them without arms, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
simply because their mothers, in the early stage | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
of their pregnancy, took a new drug called thalidomide as a sedative. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
Thalidomide only damaged the unborn baby | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
if it was taken during the first 42 days of pregnancy, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:19 | |
and the scale of the injuries | 0:04:19 | 0:04:20 | |
depended on what day the drug was taken. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
The damage varied from day to day. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
So if the mother took the drug on around day 20, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
you'd be getting central brain damage, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
and 21, it would be the eyes, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
and 22 to 23, it would be the ears and the hearing and the face, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
and day 24, it would be the upper limb damage. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
So a tablet on day 24 was capable of removing a complete pair of arms, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:48 | |
and over the next four days, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
corresponding patterns of leg damage. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
Parents struggled to cope with the realisation | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
that a drug they had taken had caused damage to their own baby. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
My mother had a nervous breakdown. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
In those days, the blame was on the parents | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
for having given birth to children with disabilities, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
and they all knew it was a drug that they'd taken, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
so the parents were blaming themselves, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
and that's an incredibly soul-destroying blame to live with. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
But as one parent saw it, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
the guilt shouldn't rest with those who took the drug, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
but instead, with those who made it. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
These are dreadful thoughts to have, but I felt a sense of relief, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
because now here I had a reason | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
as to why our baby was in such a mess, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
and the reason was somebody else. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
Not me, not Vicki. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
These are very ignoble thoughts, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
you know, they're not anything I'm proud of thinking, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
but this is the truth. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
Thalidomide had been sold in Britain by Distillers. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
At the time, they were the UK's largest manufacturer | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
of whisky, gin and vodka. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
How a drinks company became responsible | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
for one of the greatest drug scandals of all time | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
can be traced back to a single article in a Sunday newspaper. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
In 1956, they saw an article in the Sunday Times | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
suggesting that there was a new wonder drug called Valium | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
that was totally harmless and a very good relaxing preparation | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
and that it would probably result | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
in people preferring to have a tablet of Valium when they got home, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
rather than a whisky and soda or a brandy and ginger. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
And it appears at the next meeting of the Distillers directors, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
the chairman apparently put this article in front of them all | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
and said, "What are we going to do about this? | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
"Our business could be at risk." | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
In 1957, Distillers licensed a drug they hoped would calm their fears. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:04 | |
Thalidomide was a tranquilliser | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
from German pharmaceutical firm Chemie Grunenthal. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
It was being marketed as a non-toxic sedative, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
a drug you could not overdose on. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
The people who'd invented it, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
Chemie Grunenthal, in Germany, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
had not been able to find any adverse effects. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
On animal experiments, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
they had found it impossible to kill rats with thalidomide, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
so it seemed to be an extremely good drug. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
In 1958, thalidomide was released in the UK under various brand names, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:37 | |
including Distaval. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
It was a huge success, and deemed so safe, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
it was eventually given to pregnant women for morning sickness. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
In the 1950s, the theory was | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
that morning sickness was psychosomatic, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
it was all to do with women being very excited about being pregnant, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
and that's why a lot of doctors thought a sedative | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
that was not an anti-emetic would be helpful with morning sickness. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
And one thing thalidomide doesn't do is to stop people throwing up. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
From 1959, medical staff began witnessing a surge | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
in rare birth defects. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
Doctors and midwives struggled to cope with the malformations | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
they were witnessing in the delivery room. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
The first reaction of the clinical staff was panic themselves, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
and they just did not know how to handle the situation | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
of showing the mother the baby that she'd just given birth to. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
BABY CRIES | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Stories of medical staff ignoring the problem | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
were told to journalist and author Phillip Knightley, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
who researched the thalidomide tragedy. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
Nobody knew how to handle it. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
In some instances that we know of, | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
the maternity nurses would wrap the baby in swaddling clothes | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
and send it home for the mother to find out for herself. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
I said, "Go and get my baby," and she said, "Oh, I can't." | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
I said, "Go and get my baby. I want to see her." | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
And she brought my baby | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
and I unwrapped her and poured down with tears, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
cos I could see all her limbs were affected. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
Apparently when I was born, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
the midwife assumed that I was dead when I came out. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
I was stuck in some kind of like container under the bed | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
while they saw to my mother. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
And I don't know whether I had, like, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
moved or made a sound, or someone had kicked the box, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
but I started crying in the box. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
It was suggested that I was left in the hospital there, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
obviously then to go into a home, or I could die naturally. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:05 | |
I think... | 0:10:05 | 0:10:06 | |
..it wouldn't be wrong to say | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
euthanasia was probably on their minds. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
The chairman of The Thalidomide Trust | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
has heard first-hand accounts | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
about extreme decisions that medical staff made. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
It seems that a very considerable number of babies | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
were put to death immediately after birth. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
They were either suffocated or they were put in a cold place | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
so that they would get hypothermia and die in a cold room. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
Thalidomide was on sale for three years | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
before the medical world realised it was causing the birth defects. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
In the winter of 1961, thalidomide was withdrawn from sale. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
But over 180 million tablets had been sold in over 46 countries. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:11 | |
This was a global tragedy. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
We're looking at a number that's well in excess of 100,000 babies | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
who were either destroyed or damaged by the drug, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
and that makes it the very worst disaster inflicted by medicine. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
In the UK, around 550 children damaged by thalidomide | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
survived beyond their first few months of life. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
Distillers refused to accept liability for the tragedy, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
even though they had distributed the drug. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
Distillers saw themselves as much of a victim as the kids were. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
"These things happen." | 0:11:56 | 0:11:57 | |
You know, it's part of the penalty you pay | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
for advances in the pharmaceutical industry. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
But the parents of the thalidomide children disagreed. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
They wanted to see someone brought to justice. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
So in 1962, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
a group of 62 families started legal proceedings against Distillers. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
One family took a more direct approach. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
David Mason's family were Distillers shareholders | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
and his father met with the chairman of the drinks company. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
Bottom line is, my father said they denied liability | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
and said they would not be paying compensation out on it, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
because they weren't negligent, et cetera, et cetera, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
and they were making it under licence from another company | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
and there was no way they were going to pay compensation, and... | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
But my father managed to extract from them a promise | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
that if, however, at a later date, policy changed, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
then Louise, his granddaughter, would be included. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
David Mason's agreement with Distillers meant nothing | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
unless there was a settlement. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:06 | |
But Distillers disputed their liability. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
And as each year went by, parents involved in the legal fight | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
realised there was to be no swift outcome. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
The court case did have a great impact on my parents financially... | 0:13:22 | 0:13:28 | |
as well as mentally, it affected them. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
The case went on for an incredibly long time, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
and it was almost part of their lives on a daily basis. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:40 | |
This legal battle was just one of the pressures | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
these families had to endure. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
Another challenge for them | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
was how society reacted to severely disabled children. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
My mum went through...a hard time. | 0:13:55 | 0:14:00 | |
Um... | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
If she didn't suffer enough guilt herself, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
other people helped her to feel guilty. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
She would hear people talking behind her back | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
that, "Oh, it's one of those thalidomide children, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
"the mother shouldn't have taken the tablets, all her fault." | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
So, my mum went through... | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
..pain. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:24 | |
For the families, it was isolation, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
it was alienation, it was fear of the future, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
and it was a terrible sense of guilt. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
"Now, why did I take...? I only had morning sickness. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
"Why did I take that pill?" | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
In the '60s, disabled people were largely hidden from society. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
You know, we were hidden away in institutions and special schools | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
and, you know, you didn't really see disabled people. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
I would say there was still a lot of shame around disability as well, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
and embarrassment, you know, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
and I think maybe that's why some thalidomide parents | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
just couldn't cope and gave up their kids. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
And many parents were given advice | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
to put their newborn baby immediately into care. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
We sat down with the experts. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
They said, "How can you look after her at home?" | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
You know, "What chance, what opportunity can you give her? | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
"Where does she stand the best chance in life?" | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
He said, "I think certainly not at home." | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
The pressure pushed some parents to breaking point. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
Quite a lot of the fathers found it very hard to take | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
that their child was so deformed | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
and, in fact, there was, I think, a 50% divorce rate in the end. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
Many of the mothers really couldn't take it. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
Three of the mothers - to my knowledge - committed suicide. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
During the six years since their child's birth, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
some families had been torn apart. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
For those caught up in the legal battle, there was some good news. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
In 1968, Distillers agreed to pay £1 million, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
worth nearly £15 million today. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
This would be shared out amongst the 62 families who had issued writs. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
After the hearing, the father had told me | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
that he was satisfied with the awards, but he said, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
"Nothing can compensate the children for what they have lost. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
"You can't compensate for the loss of arms and legs." | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
Hearing about this £1 million settlement, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
David Mason phoned the Distillers chairman | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
to remind him of their agreement. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
I went through the undertaking that had been given | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
and the conversations that had taken place. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
A furious row developed, at the end of which he said, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
"Mr Mason, this conversation is at an end," and down went the phone. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
I went absolutely ballistic. I'd been slighted, snubbed, I'd been lied to. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:05 | |
That was the start, as far as I'm concerned, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
of the thalidomide campaign. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
'David Mason, West End art dealer. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
'A man who built up his business from scratch | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
'when he was earning £3 a week. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
'Father of four, and one of them | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
'one of the first thalidomide children, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
'born with no arms and no legs.' | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
David Mason would now set in motion a chain of events | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
that would forever change the life | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
of every thalidomide child in this country. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
His first action was to have a writ issued against Distillers | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
on behalf of his daughter. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
This was to be the first of over 350 writs | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
that solicitors issued on behalf of other families. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
Then, in November 1971, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
Mason and the other parents | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
were invited to a meeting in central London. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
When we got there, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
there were hundreds of people going into the hall, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
and Vicki and I took a seat at the back. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
They then got up and said, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
"Before we go any further, could you all just have a look round? | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
"Do you recognise the people who are around you? | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
"Are there any interlopers here?" | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
So, we're all looking round | 0:18:21 | 0:18:22 | |
and sort of people are asking each other questions. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
I'm sitting there thinking, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
"This is absolutely like bloody kangaroo... It's nonsense. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
"What can be so secret? This is ridiculous." | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
Secrecy was needed | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
because Mason's solicitor had negotiated a potential settlement. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
And that figure was £3 million. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
"£3 million? How the hell do you get to £3 million? | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
"Who has done a really thorough job | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
"on finding out the individual disability? | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
"What's entailed here?" | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
This offer worked out to an average of £8,000 per child, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
worth £96,000 today. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
So parents stood up one after the other. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
It was brilliant, it was fantastic, women stood up in tears, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
and all the time, I was sitting in the back in stony silence. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
The parents were desperate. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
They hadn't got enough money. They had a very severely disabled child. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
At the time, the settlement, which was totally inadequate | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
to look after the children for the rest of their lives, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
but amounted to a few thousand pounds, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
looked like an attractive alternative | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
when nothing had been on offer beforehand. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
But with this offer, there were conditions. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
It had to remain confidential, and every family had to sign. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:42 | |
Without 100% agreement, this offer would be withdrawn | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
and no child would receive a penny. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
So, "Those in favour?" So a sea of hands went up. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
So he said, "Those against?" Nobody put a hand up, including me. | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
I didn't want to be lynched. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
And there were all these parents, this hysteria going on. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
So, "Right, will everybody queue down the room?" | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
I walked straight down, past all the lines of people, right up. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
I said, "I'm just wanting you to know that I don't agree with all this, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
"I don't accept it, I think it's absolutely absurd, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
"I think it's ridiculous, and I am not going to accept it." | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
By refusing the offer, David Mason was blocking the settlement | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
for all the other parents, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
and his solicitors made sure everyone knew | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
who was holding up the deal. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
The sad thing is, even our lawyers, when they spoke to the parents, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
probably were saying to them that David Mason was to blame | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
for not having a settlement already. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
They were desperate to get a solution. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
They wanted to actually draw a line under it. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
So...they were very vulnerable emotionally, the parents... | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
and Distillers and the lawyers were able to take advantage of that. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
The money offered would have made an immediate difference | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
to the lives of the thalidomide children. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
Many had received no financial assistance since they had been born. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
For some, it was left up to the ingenuity of their parents | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
to help them overcome their disabilities. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
'Andy can get in and out of the driving seat without help | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
'and without artificial limbs | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
'and, for the first time in his life, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
'Andy does not have to ask to be taken out to play.' | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
I couldn't sit in a regular chair, so my dad made me, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
out of a few old pallet boards or something, a little chair. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
He made a little step | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
that folded out from underneath the sink upstairs, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
that could be folded up out of the way | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
when anyone else was using the sink, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
but meant I could reach the tap and brush my teeth. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
He built me a little car, a little pedal car, out of an old oil drum. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
And, again, you know, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
I can remember thinking it was absolutely brilliant. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
As well as adaptations, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
many children were encouraged to use prosthetic limbs. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
But these proved not to be useful in everyday life. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
Most of us hated the prosthetic legs, cos in terms of practicality, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
you couldn't walk in the stupid bloody things. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
And they were really heavy, cos they were made of basic metal and leather. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
I remember in junior school, and in the reception classes, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
the desks were, like, really low down. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
And sometimes, if I leant too far forward, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
I'd literally fall over the desk in these stupid legs. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
So the school had a great idea, and you think, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
"Well, why didn't they provide you with bigger desks?" | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
But their idea was, they tied us to the pipes of the radiators. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
They were well-meaning. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
I suppose they didn't want to treat us any differently. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
But tying you to the radiator's treating you differently. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
Nine years after thalidomide had been taken off the market, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
over 400 families had received nothing in compensation. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
Many parents wanted to force through the £3 million settlement | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
that Distillers had offered. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
Their solicitors advised them | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
that an aggressive course of action would be taken. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
David Mason and four other families would be taken to court. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
They said, "Look, the bottom line is, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
"you're not going to get away with blocking the deal. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
"The other parents are going to move against you | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
"and take you to court | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
"and have Louise removed from you as next friend and guardian." | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
I said, "You what?" | 0:23:43 | 0:23:44 | |
David Mason's own solicitors | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
believed he wasn't acting in his daughter's best interests. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
To force through the £3 million settlement, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
they were threatening to remove him as her legal guardian. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
I was dumbfounded. I couldn't believe it. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
I'd never heard anything so disgusting in my life | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
as getting the other parents who, in a similar position as me, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:12 | |
with a crippled child, their lives ruined, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
and here they were being party, the whole lot of them, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
to ganging up on me and fighting me and taking my daughter from me. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
Er... | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
There was very little to say, apart from, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
"Well, I dispense with your services. You're both fired." | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
David Mason was losing his battle. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
His own lawyers had turned against him, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
and he was now facing the prospect | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
of his daughter being taken away from him. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
But then he hatched a plan | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
that could swing the odds back in his favour. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
The one thing that I had thought, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
with all the secrecy surrounding this meeting... | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
what if I blew the whistle on the whole thing? | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
What if I blew the whistle on the whole thing? | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Fleet Street would be the place I would go. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
MUSIC: "Love Is The Drug" by Roxy Music | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
By going to Fleet Street, David Mason was breaking | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
the confidentiality clause in Distillers' offer. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
He hoped exposure in the press | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
would see the £3 million settlement withdrawn. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
David Mason contacted the Daily Mail and said, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
"I am being blackmailed into a cover-up, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:38 | |
"er, about... | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
"..what almost amounts to an atrocity." | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
The Daily Mail's editor, David English, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
saw the importance of reporting this story. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
It was like an epiphany in the newspaper office. Like... | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
What's happened? Why haven't we noticed this before? | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
-TELEPHONES RING, LOUD CHATTER -Distillers, and the lawyers, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
had up until then kept news of the offer out of the press. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
But once David Mason spoke to David English, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
the editor became determined to expose this father's fight. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
He said, "If I were to publish all of this, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
"would you be prepared to join in it?" | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
I said, "You bet I would!" | 0:26:22 | 0:26:23 | |
I remember going downstairs and I waited for the paper to | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
sort of half come through the letter box, snatched it, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
I went upstairs, I was staggered! There was this two-page spread. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
On the 20th of December, 1971, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
the Daily Mail published the first in a series of articles | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
exposing David Mason's fight, and the battle for compensation. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
I remember very vividly the Daily Mail headline, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
um, which was, "Scandalous!" | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
And I remember, we discussed at the time that "scandalous" | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
wasn't a fitting word. It wasn't a bad enough word, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
a big enough word, to describe how we thought | 0:27:06 | 0:27:12 | |
350 children and their parents were being treated. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
Immediately after the first article was published, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
the Daily Mail found itself under extraordinary pressure | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
to stop printing future articles. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
Almost immediately, we became aware that the whole thalidomide thing... | 0:27:26 | 0:27:34 | |
..was being suppressed. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
The threats were made, surprisingly, by government lawyers. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
As these 1973 confidential ministerial briefing notes show, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
government lawyers were getting involved, because the other parents | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
were worried how these articles could affect their settlement. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
They called on the Attorney General to force the Daily Mail | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
to stop publishing any more in its series. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
Attacked on all sides, from Distillers, the parents, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
and the government, the Daily Mail agreed to stop publishing. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
Talk about a full stop going on the whole thing. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
It just ground solidly to a halt. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
The press had been silenced. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
And a few months after the Daily Mail articles, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
David Mason was removed as his daughter's legal guardian. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:51 | |
The £3 million settlement could now be approved. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
There was one last hurdle - Mason's appeal. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
He had one final chance | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
to prove he was acting in his daughter's best interests. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
That there was a better settlement out there. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
It was then he was given a tip-off to call a lawyer in Los Angeles. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
I phoned up this number. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:18 | |
I said, "Dr Fry?" "Yes." "It's David Mason." | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
"Ah! Mr Mason. Glad you phoned." | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
I said, well, "I'm just in the middle of the court case." | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
He said, "I know, I've been reading the newspapers over here. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
"In fact, I've been reading the Daily Mail, cos I fought | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
"the Shirley McCarrick case." | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
I said, "Who was Shirley McCarrick?" He said, "Oh, a thalidomide victim." | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
It was in June 1971 that Mrs Shirley McCarrick | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
was awarded 2.7 million | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
for the damage thalidomide had caused to her daughter Margaret. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
If Mason could present the documents of this case, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
and its multimillion-dollar settlement, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
he would've proved there could be a better deal out there | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
and that he was acting in his daughter's best interests | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
by turning down Distillers' offer. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
He said, "I've got all the court records in my office." | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
He said, "But I can't come over to you. You can come over to me." | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
I said, "I'll be there." | 0:30:18 | 0:30:19 | |
MUSIC: "Wooden Ships" by Crosby, Stills & Nash | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
So I arrived in Los Angeles | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
and we went down to his office in Wilshire Boulevard, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
we went in there and there they all were. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
Just documents after documents, folder after folder. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
He said, "This is the writ, this is the judgment, this is the appeal," | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
this is this, this is that, this is, etc, and this is | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
the incorporation of who we are and, you know, and our credentials. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
So I got those and, of course, you know, I was overjoyed. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
This judgment was instrumental in Mason winning his appeal. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:05 | |
He was reinstated as legal guardian to his daughter. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:10 | |
And now, he could focus his energy on the real fight - | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
securing a just settlement from Distillers. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
I felt like, you know, I'd achieved a huge and major victory. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
But of course, I hadn't yet beaten Distillers. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
I'd slapped their face, but, you know, I still hadn't... | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
you know, I hadn't beaten them. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
Victory in the appeal courts saw David Mason's case | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
free to be reported in the media. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
I will not give in until they face up to their moral responsibilities over | 0:31:41 | 0:31:47 | |
their thalidomide victims and I will fight on until we achieve our goal. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
But David Mason's rising public profile | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
angered those who wanted him to sign the deal. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
Mr Mason does claim, in fact, that he represents most of... | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
He does not claim and it was proved in there just now! | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
He might have claimed... be the spokesman for a few, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
but for the vast majority of parents, he doesn't represent them at all! | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
The other parents felt like he was seeking publicity | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
for his own daughter, or his case. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
I heard somebody describe him | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
as a bit of a show-off and enjoying it all. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
They started off at £3.25 million. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
I refused it. I stood out on my own and said no. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
There was a certain amount of parental opposition to this. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
Er, I received threatening letters, I received threatening phone calls. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
TELEPHONE RINGS | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
The phone calls were terrible, threatening physical violence. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
Some of them threatened the, er, well-being of my family. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
Police cars outside their schools, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
police cars calling round at the house, | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
me waking up in the middle of the night, which I did frequently, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
and looking out of the window and seeing a police car. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
Not comfortable. Not comfortable. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
Mason's high-profile campaign | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
was also having an impact on his daughter Louise. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
At the institution where she lived, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
the other children objected to what her father was doing. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
People were going on saying, "Oh, your father's a big head" and | 0:33:22 | 0:33:27 | |
"Why does your father do these sort of things?" | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
And, "Louise, you keep right away from me, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
"I don't want to get involved with your father and you." | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
Come here. Now, sit. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:39 | |
All their anger, because they were supporting their parents, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:45 | |
was aimed it me. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:46 | |
Because I was number one, enemy number one's daughter. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:52 | |
So I went from being pretty popular to being sent to Coventry. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:59 | |
So I found it pretty hard. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
Mason had wanted to use the media in his fight against Distillers. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
But after reporting the success of his appeal, the press backed off. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
The media were afraid of sub judice, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
the prejudicing of any ongoing court case. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
'This blasted sub judice thing,' | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
I couldn't go on television, I couldn't go on the radio, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
I couldn't go into the newspapers, I couldn't go and so on, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
I couldn't take the fight to them. Why? Because of sub judice. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
I... I had a... | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
a frustration that was beginning to creep in. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
David Mason was finding it impossible to use the press | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
to help fight back against Distillers. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
Then, in the autumn of 1972, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
his fight attracted interest from The Sunday Times. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
Phillip Knightley, one of their top investigative reporters, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
met with Mason at his gallery to explain how his paper could help. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:07 | |
I said, "Yes, I'm pleased to tell you | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
"I'm here, Mr Mason, to offer you the full facilities | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
"of The Sunday Times to help you in your quest, in your campaign." | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
Phillip Knightley, and The Sunday Times, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
had been working for the past five years on the thalidomide story, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
but had found their articles constrained by the legal problems. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:30 | |
They were determined to expose how this tragedy had unfolded in the UK. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:35 | |
Well, the burning sense of outrage that | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
perhaps the greatest tragedy in the history of the drug industry | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
has never been fully investigated | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
or with reasons got into. And I think the public | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
have a right to know the whole story, how it came about. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
The Sunday Times' editor, Harold Evans, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
had devised a way of getting around the reporting restrictions. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
His paper would focus on the plight of the families, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
rather than Distillers' liability. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
The night before this campaign was launched, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
David Mason was invited to The Sunday Times' printing presses. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
We went into the print room. He said, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
"I would like you to push the button that will set everything going." | 0:36:15 | 0:36:21 | |
And there was this tremendous emotional moment | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
where we pushed the button... BELL RINGS | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
..and the noise, the racket, and all the papers started. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
The papers were pouring off the side. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
I picked up the first one. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:37 | |
And there it was - "Thalidomide: a cause for national shame." | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
This article would prove to be a watershed moment | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
in the battle against Distillers. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
Over the following weeks, The Sunday Times | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
published stories on the children damaged by thalidomide. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
Marjorie Wallace travelled the country | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
finding families affected by the drug. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
My first job was to track down the families, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
and that was much harder than you could think. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
There was such secrecy surrounding thalidomide. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
And the lawyers fighting for compensation said, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
"You must never, ever talk to the press, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:18 | |
"because that would jeopardise your compensation | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
"and the compensation for everyone." | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
So, sometimes, I would turn up at the doors and I would | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
knock very nervously - I was a very young reporter at the time - | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
and then, sometimes, I would be allowed in | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
and I would have to gain their trust. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
I would spend hours and hours, really just being with them, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
just watching what it was like to have a ten or 12-year-old child | 0:37:45 | 0:37:51 | |
without any arms, without legs. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
I will never forget, there was a girl on a rocking chair | 0:37:56 | 0:38:01 | |
just rocking back and forward and screaming. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
And her mother said, "She just screamed like a rabbit in a snare." | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
And she didn't do anything all day but just rock and scream | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
while her parents looked on helplessly. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
These weekly articles | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
kept the plight of the thalidomide children in the public eye. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
And this ongoing campaign attracted the attention | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
of a Member of Parliament. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
There are some children without arms, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
some without legs, some without arms or legs! | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
And they haven't received a penny! | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
And it's dragged on in a legal wrangle for ten years! | 0:38:44 | 0:38:49 | |
Jack Ashley MP, who had become deaf at the age of 45, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:55 | |
was determined to use the power of Parliament | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
to help the campaign for compensation. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
He was always a hugely compassionate man | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
and he was always very, very upset, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
genuinely just upset by disability | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
and people not being able to get around, to be mobile, um, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
and he saw the original Sunday Times story | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
and was determined to do something about it. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
Jack Ashley proposed a parliamentary motion | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
to highlight the plight of the families affected by thalidomide. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
And then, the night before the debate, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
Distillers upped their offer, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
from £3 million to £5 million. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
Well, I think they thought this was a chance to stop the whole thing, | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
but it wasn't that simple, their offer was still fairly derisory. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
My father had been a skilled trade union negotiator for many years | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
early on in his career and his immediate response to this was | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
"far too little, far too late," and they were having none of it, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
so everything progressed as it was always going to do. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
HUBBUB OF THE COMMONS | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
On 29th of November, 1972, | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
Jack Ashley opened the Parliamentary debate on thalidomide. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
It was a packed chamber. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
Jack got to his feet. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
He said, "We're talking about children at 10 years of age | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
"the height of two Johnnie Walker whisky bottles stood end on end." | 0:40:15 | 0:40:21 | |
And, his oratory was brilliant. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
But interestingly, there were quite a few people who were still | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
on the side of industry who were saying, "This isn't right. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
"You shouldn't be trying to do this. This is most unusual." | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
Um, so I think the house was fairly divided. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
I would say many more on my father's side than on Distillers' side, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
but it wasn't a clear-cut battle at the time. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
He said, and I remember this phrase particularly, he said, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
"How can it be that you can have a young girl, no arms to... | 0:40:49 | 0:40:54 | |
"..to hold somebody with and no legs to dance on?" | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
Hard words. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
And, er, tough words, but brilliant words. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
This debate, along with the ongoing Sunday Times campaign, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
galvanised public opinion. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
There were student protests on the streets | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
demanding justice for the thalidomide children. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
And around the country, | 0:41:31 | 0:41:32 | |
posters suddenly appeared attacking Distillers. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
So, you'd have a wheel man driving the car, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
you'd have a chap in the back with the posters | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
and I'm talking about, say, 500 posters. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
So you'd drive along until you saw an empty shop or a hoarding | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
and the paste man would quickly put the paste on, | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
whack the poster up, over the top it would go. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
You'd do two or three different posters | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
and then you'd be back in the car and off you'd go. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
But of course, you know, we knew we were breaking the law. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
We knew it was against the law. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
Determined to keep up the pressure on Distillers, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
David Mason had resorted to this illegal poster campaign. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
But the originator of this idea had not been Mason himself. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:22 | |
The poster campaign had been funded by someone | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
who wanted to remain anonymous. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
None other than newspaper owner Rupert Murdoch. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
He generally felt there was a case of the big establishment company | 0:42:33 | 0:42:40 | |
facing a lot of ordinary people. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
And he wanted to be on the side of the ordinary people. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
Rupert Murdoch didn't play by | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
the English rules of smoke-filled rooms and gentlemanly behaviour and, | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
"We'll quietly censor that for you, members of the government." | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
And, "We won't rock the boat with the big large corporations." | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
He was the young Turk from Australia | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
and he wanted to stick it to them. And he did. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
Murdoch had secretly funded this national guerrilla campaign | 0:43:08 | 0:43:13 | |
and, as well as Mason, there were people in England, Scotland | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
and Wales putting up these posters that openly attacked Distillers. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
Then, Distillers faced pressure closer to home. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
Now, their own shareholders were in revolt. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
Why is it only now that shareholders in the Distillers company | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
have decided to do something about the thalidomide children? | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
I think that we didn't realise the extent of the problem. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:42 | |
Of course, it's been sub judice for a long time, as you know. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:47 | |
It's only recently that The Sunday Times have brought it | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
to the public's notice. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
My initial feeling was that I must sell the shares, | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
um, but my husband said, "I think that you can probably... | 0:43:55 | 0:43:59 | |
"You'd be better off doing something as a shareholder." | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
Sarah Broad became chair of a committee of shareholders | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
who wanted to press Distillers to improve their offer. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
And very quickly, she found out they weren't alone. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
Other shareholders agreed and wrote pledging their support. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
It seemed that everyone now wanted Distillers | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
to compensate the victims. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
After a sustained attack from angry parents, the national press, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:48 | |
Members of Parliament and now their own shareholders, | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
Distillers proposed a new settlement. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
£12 million. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
But Jack Ashley and the others were holding out | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
for a much larger figure. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:03 | |
He had always said 20 million. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:07 | |
In those days, that was an awful lot more money than it is now. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
He'd always thought 20 million was a fair amount and so, er, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
that's what he was fighting for. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:15 | |
The £12 million offer was rejected. And the campaigners were determined | 0:45:15 | 0:45:21 | |
to put greater pressure on Distillers. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
Their focus would now be to hit Distillers where it hurt - | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
their profits. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:30 | |
They would call a boycott. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
They all got very excited about organising a boycott | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
with Ralph Nader, the American consumer leader. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
At the time, they thought, if nothing else was going to work, | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
then a boycott of all Distillers' products | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
was something they were next going to fight very hard for. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
So I remember great excitement when they suddenly got | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
the interest from America to join the fight with them. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:53 | |
Ralph Nader was a rising star in American politics. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
In the mid-1960s, he had become a consumer rights champion | 0:45:57 | 0:46:01 | |
and was the perfect figurehead | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
for a potential boycott in the United States. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
'There's hardly a liquor store in the States which doesn't sell | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
'at least one brand of spirits manufactured by Distillers. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
'Mr Nader has compiled a list of literally | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
'hundreds of different groups and organisations,' | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
all of which he says he could get involved in a massive boycott. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
Determined to try and make the boycott a reality, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
David Mason flew to Washington to meet with Ralph Nader. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
And during the flight across the Atlantic, | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
Mason started a boycott of his own. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
I heard this announcement, "Ladies and Gentlemen, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
"the attendants will be going through the cabin. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
"We have Johnnie Walker's whisky and Gordon's gin and this and that." | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
I sat bolt upright and I thought, "What?!" | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
Here they are throwing this in my face. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
I'm going over to boycott... | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
Ah! I'm going over to boycott | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
and they're trying to flog it on the plane. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
"Right!" So with that, I got up, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
I walked straight through, found the drinks trolley | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
and I said, "Excuse me, I'm fighting a case against Distillers | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
"and they make all these drinks. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
"And I've got a daughter who's got no arms and no legs, | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
"because of their lack of drug testing. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
"May I ask you to choose any other drink apart from a Distillers drink?" | 0:47:19 | 0:47:26 | |
"You bet you can. Fine! What else have you got?" | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
So they were having all these other drinks. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
'Even before Mr Mason arrived in the States, | 0:47:31 | 0:47:33 | |
'he'd been busy organising a mini boycott, | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
'persuading passengers not to buy bottles of Distillers spirits. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
'He reported 100% success.' | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
The threat of a boycott had captured the attention of the media | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
on both sides of the Atlantic. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
Any drop in sales from a boycott | 0:47:49 | 0:47:51 | |
had the potential to impact Distillers' profits. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
The definition of an effective boycott | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
toward a company like Distillers, er, is one which would involve | 0:47:57 | 0:48:02 | |
a diversion of 2-4% of sales, which would amount to millions of dollars. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:07 | |
Talk of a boycott and the constant pressure in the media | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
hit Distillers' share price. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
The board saw more than £9 million wiped off the value | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
of the company's shares in just one week. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
It was then that Distillers proposed the offer | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
that everyone had been holding out for. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
The firm which sold the thalidomide drug in Britain | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
has offered to pay £20 million. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
It will go to more than 300 children born deformed, because their mothers | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
took the drug on doctors' orders when they were pregnant. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
For all those who had fought in the campaign, | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
their goal had finally been reached. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
We had it. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:55 | |
We had everything, basically, that we'd fought for. | 0:48:55 | 0:49:00 | |
My campaign over the past 12 months | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
has taken us forward from £3.25 million | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
to the sum that I've always striven for, namely 20 million. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
It was a very emotional day. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
I particularly remember | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
I went down and had bacon and egg for breakfast, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
and Vicky broke the egg and... | 0:49:20 | 0:49:24 | |
I mean, quite ridiculous, but it was a double yolk. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
A double yolk egg, which I had never one of those before. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
Everything had changed. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
And suddenly, you know, the world was a happier place. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
The thalidomiders really appreciate what David did on our behalf | 0:49:44 | 0:49:50 | |
and our lives would not be what they are today | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
without the work he had done. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
It transformed the thalidomiders', um, life for the last 50 years. | 0:49:55 | 0:50:01 | |
And, for that, we have to salute him. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:03 | |
He was a fighter and he was justified for doing what he did. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:12 | |
He was my hero. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
In 1973, when the settlement was reached, | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
the thalidomide children were becoming teenagers. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
£6 million of the settlement, worth over £60 million today, | 0:50:32 | 0:50:38 | |
was distributed amongst the 370 families | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
who had been fighting Distillers. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
The remainder would be used to create a trust that looked after | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
every thalidomide child in the country. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
When the trust was set up, it had an impact on my life. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
I could buy my own wheelchair and gadgets I needed around the home. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:02 | |
They also managed to buy my first car. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
So, they were... Yeah, life-changing. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
The compensation, no-one can deny, liberated them. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
It gave them cars, adapted cars, it gave them the adapted houses. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:18 | |
It gave them abilities to learn and to have businesses | 0:51:18 | 0:51:23 | |
and create an incredible world for themselves. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:28 | |
The money also enabled the teenagers to enjoy some of the freedoms | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
that others might have enjoyed. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
The trust started encouraging the children to drive. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
So, we have a very high number of our people now, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:43 | |
whatever limbs they've got missing, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
are happily driving cars that are adapted for them. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
That was fantastic in terms of making us independent. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:55 | |
I could go away on camping holidays with my friends or my sisters. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
It just gave me a huge amount | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
of freedom and independence. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
There was a determination within the trust to encourage independence. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
The money allowed many of the teenagers to explore the world. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
The Thalidomide Trust decided that they would organise | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
group holidays for us and they didn't just take us to the south coast. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:27 | |
They decided to take us as far afield as places like America | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
and Hawaii, which, for the time, | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
was just an incredible experience to suddenly, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
at the age of 16 or 17 years old, be able to have a holiday | 0:52:36 | 0:52:40 | |
with a whole group of people who were the same age as you. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
I often joke, saying, actually, we invented the 18-30s holidays | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
because they were equivalent. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
It proved very, very good for the kids and it gave them the experience | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
of being with one another and learning how others did things. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
And I am reliably informed that it gave them | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
a very thorough education on matters like sex and the effects of alcohol, | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
from which they've never looked back. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
As the money from the settlement was being put to good use, | 0:53:08 | 0:53:13 | |
one of the campaigners was finding the return to everyday life | 0:53:13 | 0:53:18 | |
difficult to adapt to. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:19 | |
The mental anguish that I suffered after the campaign had ended | 0:53:20 | 0:53:26 | |
was quite extraordinary. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
I went into a deep depression. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
I became very introspective. I wouldn't see anybody. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
People would come to see me, "No, I'm not here". | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
"So-and-so on the phone." "No, no. I'm not here". | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
Vicky was very worried. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:40 | |
We'd come home into the house and if we were sitting down | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
and the doorbell went, and friends had come round, I was up the stairs. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:49 | |
All this was the price I paid for the campaign. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
My mind, to some degree, closed down on me. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
The thalidomide children have managed | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
to exceed expectations throughout their lives. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
At the time of their birth, many in the medical community | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
had not expected them to survive into adulthood. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
Over five decades on, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
there are 468 British thalidomide survivors alive today. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:33 | |
And, for many, the focus now is on the last few decades of their lives. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:38 | |
One thing that really worries me is the fact I'm getting older. I'm 52. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:43 | |
Sometimes, I feel like I'm 72. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
Sometimes, I'm literally in that much pain I can't move. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
Whereas, a few years ago, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:51 | |
I could get round on the floor really, really easily. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
And that's what worries me, that, sometime in the future, | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
I won't be able to move around the way I do now | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
and that I'll be stuck in my chair, you know, constantly. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
My fingers to do tend to get used... | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
There's only three of them on each hand, so they tend to get used | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
far more than if they there were five of them. And in ways that... | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
I use my outside finger for grip. So, therefore, | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
I put an enormous amount of strain on some of these outside joints. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
Actually, our people's bodies are now like somebody | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
about 50% older than them. And where does that lead? | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
So, if at 50, they have physical function | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
on a par with the average 75-year-old, | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
what's it going to be like for them in 10 or 20 years' time? | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
Deep down, I don't think any of us believe we'll make it past our 70s. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:44 | |
Already, I've lost a lot of friends, um... | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
So... | 0:55:48 | 0:55:49 | |
The reality is, live life now, | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
because we don't know how much longer we've got. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
But the rest of our lives that we have got, | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
we want to make as comfortable as possible. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
In 1997, drinks giant Diageo acquired the Distillers brands. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:10 | |
Since then, they have formed a close relationship | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
with the Thalidomide Trust. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
In the past eight years, they have paid over £60 million | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
into the trust and continue to provide financial assistance. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:24 | |
Today, there is a new battle. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
For campaigners like Nick Dobrik, their target now | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
is Chemie Grunenthal, the German company which invented thalidomide. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:39 | |
What we want Grunenthal to do is, on an annual basis, | 0:56:40 | 0:56:44 | |
provide some assistance and relief for the thalidomiders | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
over the next 25-30 years, | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
so, in the last quarter of the thalidomiders' lives, | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
they can live with dignity and independence. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
And I think that is the least we can expect from this company | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
given the 50 years that we've been fighting this. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:01 | |
I want to see justice finally done. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
Yeah, I'd like to see them admit liability. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
Not some mealy-mouthed apology, but admit liability and say, | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
"Yeah, it was our fault you were born that way," cos they never have. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
Chemie Grunenthal denies it could have known | 0:57:21 | 0:57:23 | |
about the side-effects of their drug, | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
but has apologised for not responding fully to victims. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:30 | |
They have made voluntary payments to German and other victims | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
of thalidomide, but don't believe they have any liabilities in the UK. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:39 | |
This has not stopped those in this country | 0:57:39 | 0:57:41 | |
from pursuing them for compensation. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
I'm hoping for the same outcome as what my parents did originally. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:50 | |
And that is for justice to be done, | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
for Grunenthal to own up to what they've done. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:56 | |
I don't think any of us are asking for the world, | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
we just want justice and security. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
What gives that company the right to get away from this | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
without admitting that it was wrong and it should have been prevented, | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
that it didn't have to happen? | 0:58:11 | 0:58:13 | |
I would just so like to hear that from them before my mum dies. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:18 | |
You know, I'd like her to hear it herself | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
that they're sorry for what they did and recognising | 0:58:21 | 0:58:25 | |
the damage they've caused, not just to us, but to whole families. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:30 |