Dunblane: Our Story


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'Reports are coming in that one person is dead and several people

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'have been injured after a shooting incident at Dunblane Primary School.'

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I think I'm more prone to calling it the shootings.

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Probably...because I was shot.

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I don't ever call it anything like the massacre,

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I don't like any unrelated words.

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If somebody said, "What happened to your mum?"

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I would say, "She was the teacher that was killed at Dunblane."

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Dunblane was a tragedy for everyone who was involved.

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Some people in the media called it an incident,

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which was hardly appropriate.

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I don't tell people that my daughter died,

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I don't tell them that she was killed.

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She was murdered.

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Thomas Hamilton murdered her.

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..savagery today, savagery that has stunned this town.

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'As a child, the anger was...not then,'

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but looking back now, and, why?

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Why...

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my class, why my school? Why my town?

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Why?

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'It was a bit of a shock when Mhairi arrived,

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'because I'm fair with red hair and she was so dark.

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'She was very beautiful.'

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I don't think she was a very girlie girl.

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I think she was a little bit like me,

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I don't think she was a very girlie girl.

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We didn't go through the sort of dressing up in pink,

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princess phase with Mhairi.

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Or at least not before she was five.

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Sophie had always been

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a very bubbly little girl.

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As any biased father would think,

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I found her a bright, intelligent girl as well.

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The feedback I got from Gwen Mayor, her class teacher,

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was that she was bright, she was performing well,

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and she did always seem to enjoy it.

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I don't know, to be honest, why my mum became a teacher.

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I guess she just felt it was her calling.

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I used to go into her classroom

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and see some of the artwork

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and stuff she would do,

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and the ideas she had.

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You know, there was, like, a hairdressing corner.

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Erm...

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And she just had lots of ideas, I think,

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that worked very well with the wee ones.

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I struggle to remember a lot about being a child.

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But the memories I do have are happy,

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and are all really in Dunblane.

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We lived on the Wirral,

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surrounded by family.

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My job brought me up to Scotland.

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Dunblane was the place we decided was a nice place schools-wise,

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nice place for the kids to grow up so we moved into Dunblane.

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-So that would be '95?

-1995.

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I always remember when Steve came back

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and said he'd got the job,

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and we'll have to sell the patio furniture

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because all it does is rain in Scotland.

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When I arrived, it was the largest

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primary school in Scotland,

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it had a large nursery.

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And at the age of 42, I felt very proud to be the head teacher.

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I was a university lecturer,

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I worked at the University of Stirling, and I was a single parent.

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Sophie and I were on our own, because her mum, Barbara,

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had died two-and-a-half years earlier of breast cancer.

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And we'd become a very close unit, she and I.

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'I liked seeing her most with her father.

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'And...I liked the two of them together.'

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Mhairi was born fairly late in his life,

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he was well into his 40s when she was born.

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Look in the cupboard.

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-He's a big man.

-He's a big man!

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I was pregnant with Catherine. I was about six months' pregnant

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with Catherine. We were very much looking forward to her birth.

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'Murray, he became unwell.

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'He suffered some sort of catastrophic stroke.'

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And he died a week later.

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'Mhairi was very sad.

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'That's the only way that I can describe her

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'in the last three or four months of her life.

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'She was very sad.'

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13th March was a particularly cold morning.

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When we woke up this morning,

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I was surprised to find that there'd been quite a heavy frost overnight.

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There was ice on the windscreen of the car

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and we were slightly delayed

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because I had to spend a bit of time removing the ice.

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I have a very clear memory of the early morning,

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of driving from Stirling to Dunblane.

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It was a beautiful morning, it was very bright, it was frosty.

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The snowdrops were out in profusion.

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There was even some snow on the ground.

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There was a real hint of the summer to come. It was beautiful.

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The university had arranged a small memorial service for Murray.

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I think it was a chance to have a more intimate farewell

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for his students and for his colleagues.

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So on 13th March, the plan was, Mhairi would go to school,

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I would take her, and then I think the plan was for my mum

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to come and babysit the new baby, Catherine,

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and I would go to the memorial service for my husband.

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I just found out very recently that I'd won a battle on that morning.

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I'd been fighting with my mum

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about what shoes I was going to wear that morning.

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She wanted me to wear my wellies,

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and I wanted to wear a brand-new pair of boots

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that my uncle from Kuwait had sent me.

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A pair of Kicker boots.

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And she didn't want me to ruin them on the cold morning,

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and I was adamant that I was going to wear them.

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And I think, you know, I won.

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So I remember taking up Matthew,

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and he was always a child that liked you to stay with him

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until he joined the line and went into school.

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And I remember saying, "Matthew, Mummy has to go now."

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BELL RINGS

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CHILDREN CHATTER

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HUBBUB

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We were skipping around the gym hall.

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I don't remember the pain of being shot,

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I don't remember the noises, I don't remember sounds.

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I just remember my leg turning to jelly and falling to the floor.

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And then dragging myself to the gym cupboard

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where there was other people.

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My mum, she would have been the first person that was killed,

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so she didn't see... she wouldn't have seen anything else.

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Erm...

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I can't, I can't...

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It's... I can't begin to think.

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After crawling into the gym cupboard,

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I was very aware of the amount of blood everywhere,

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and the crying and the pain that people were in.

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Erm...

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Obviously, I was crying for my mum, and was very upset.

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And I was trying to, you know...

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The adults that were in the PE cupboard

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were, you know, trying to hush me

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because, you know, they wouldn't have known

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if he was still alive out in the gym hall, or where he was going next.

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When I first burst into the gym that morning,

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the sight was unimaginable.

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Hamilton was lying, still twitching.

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There was an incredible silence.

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The air was thick with smoke, cordite, the smell.

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And there was a group of children standing.

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The first thing we were able to do was to get them out of there.

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And I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.

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It was unimaginably horrible...

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..to see children dying in front of you.

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She had sort of defensive wounds, as you would, through her wrists.

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Where her arms were crossed.

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She also had an injury that...

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the evidence would have been from the pathologist, or whatever,

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that suggested she'd been punched.

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Erm...

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She was shot six times, fatal shot through the eye.

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Erm...

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Which would have killed her instantly, but the thought that...

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If somebody... If you're standing in front of somebody with a gun,

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and you've been punched,

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it would suggest to you that

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there'd been some sort of a struggle.

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I think that day...

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..she did all she could to protect the children in her care.

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Erm...

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I think to a lot of the parents,

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and indeed survivors, she died a hero.

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She...tried to protect each and every one of us.

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Nobody knows what they would do.

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You're in that position, do you run, do you...?

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But the evidence would show that that's what she did, so I'm very...

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..very, very proud of that.

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Seeing the staff tending to the injured,

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seeing the...

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..the bodies of those who had died.

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And I think, just in that moment, the enormity of the event hit me.

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That moment has never left.

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I'm angry I don't have my sister now.

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She liked to be called Jo-Jo.

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I remember my mum telling me,

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when she went into nursery, she asked them to call her Jo-Jo.

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And I now refer to her as Jo, or Joanna,

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if someone doesn't know who I'm referring to.

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This one's important to me because this reminds me of myself,

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because she's very colourful, she's smiling.

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I don't like seeing

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her in her school uniform.

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I'd like to remember her

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as a young girl,

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as, you know, I should have been

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growing up with this girl,

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kind of thing. We should have been

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kind of laughing in the sun somewhere together.

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My first memory of being told was when I was about six or seven,

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and I remember Mum kind of sitting down and telling me, you know,

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this is what had happened.

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Cos for so long I wasn't sure

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who all these pictures of this girl were, in my living room,

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and I thought it was me, and I used to ask, "Is this me?"

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And, you know, how come I don't have blonde hair any more and blue eyes?

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Then Mum kind of sat down and told me eventually what had happened.

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I remember just being really confused about it all.

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And it looms over us all, I think.

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And it...

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I don't know.

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It gets a bit hard to accept that way, even something... Hold on.

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-TEARFULLY:

-Something as simple as her brushing my hair for me.

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It just isn't there.

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It does... It just always makes me wonder what the relationship

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I could have had and it's just not available now,

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it's not there at all.

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SIRENS WAIL

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'Reports are coming in that one person is dead

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'and several people have been injured after a shooting incident

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'at Dunblane Primary School in Scotland.'

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'I remember there was some fuss in the street,'

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there were lots of mums running towards the school,

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and a friend...erm...

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shouted across the street to me

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that there was a gunman in the primary school.

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-RADIO:

-'We know there are now a number of fatalities,

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'I've just been told, and according to the education...'

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Steve had phoned, and I'd said, "All right? Are you OK?"

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He said, "Yes, but there's been an incident at the school."

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I said, "Right." He said, "There's been a shooting."

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-RADIO:

-'We'll bring you more as soon as we get it here on 5 Live.'

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You obviously hope that either the rumours aren't true

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or it's a minor incident that's been exaggerated.

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But that proved not to be the case when we got to Dunblane.

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'I was in London at the time when it happened.'

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I was just in my bedroom drying my hair,

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hundreds and hundreds of miles away and this thing was occurring.

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And not having any inkling at the time of what was ahead,

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and that basically, that moment, my life changed forever.

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'Police were directing you into the house

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'on the left side of the school.

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'The main entrance.'

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So I remember going to wait in the garden, and not knowing anyone,

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being fairly new to Dunblane,

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hearing two parents in front of me saying, "It's Mrs Mayor's class."

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And I remember saying to them,

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"Excuse me, did you say Mrs Mayor's class?"

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And them looking at me thinking, "Oh, my."

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And she said, "Yes.

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"All we know is that Mrs Mayor's class have been asked

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"to go and wait in the blue house across the way."

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So then I knew my ratio was down.

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Where does my son fit in on that?

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I can't say that I was feeling frightened

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and overly worried at the time.

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Erm... It sounds strange thing to do,

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but I'm not the only one who's said that...

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people were calculating the odds.

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This was a big primary school, school roll of 700.

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So the odds against your own child being harmed seemed quite low.

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HUBBUB

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'The media descended upon us in a way that no-one could anticipate.'

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It seemed as if every news channel from all over the world was there,

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and it was extraordinarily intrusive.

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There's 13 children dead at the moment,

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two adults and a number of children in hospital.

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We're obviously having a tremendous business

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sorting out who's who and what's what.

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Well, I specifically remember,

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I was in Strathclyde Police

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press office

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and it was shaping up to be

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a normal busy day.

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Some reports were starting to appear on our bank of televisions

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in the office, saying that a shooting incident had occurred.

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'And we decided to offer our assistance.'

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The drive to Dunblane was, erm... well, it was pretty hairy.

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For a start, I was obviously travelling at speed.

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At the same time, I was trying to formulate in my mind

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what I was going to do when I got there.

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What I was going to be confronted with,

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and how I was going to manage the flow of information.

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'I arrived at the school just about 12:30pm, 12:45pm.

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'And it was just a scene of chaos and pandemonium.'

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The difference in the school was like night and day.

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The school was absolutely silent.

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Everything that you would expect to see in a primary school was present,

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except the children.

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And there was total silence.

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At the behest of the police, we had to go back into the gym,

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to try and confirm the identities of the children who had died.

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This was particularly difficult for me because

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these were Primary 1 children, and I didn't know many of them.

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And so, I had to take with me into the gym

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previous members of staff who did know them.

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And we had to begin the awful process of

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confirming the identities

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of the kids lying there.

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They hadn't done a register

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because they were going to gym after the assembly. And...

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SHE SIGHS

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..the person that would have identified them best...

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Um... She was gone.

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But no amount of security could have prepared for the savagery today.

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Savagery that has stunned this town.

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Yeah, we were cocooned.

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And I think the media knew more about what was going on than we did.

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INDISTINCT VOICES

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SIRENS

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I am Louis Munn, the press officer for Strathclyde Police.

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I'm here to assist...

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'It was important that accurate information was given'

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to the media as quickly as possible, to stop the speculation

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that was ongoing at that time.

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As a result of this incident, 16 children have been killed...

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SHOCKED GASPS FROM CROWD

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..and two adults.

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That was something like four-and-a-half hours

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into the incident when I made that statement.

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CAMERAS CLICK

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My understanding is that

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15 of the children were killed within the school.

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And one has since died in hospital.

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'What I didn't know when I released that statement

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'was that the parents hadn't been informed.'

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Now, that should never have happened.

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'It was hours with no news.'

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It was just the most incredibly long wait.

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And it was like a form of torture. Not a word I use lightly.

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It was a form of torture, waiting and just not knowing.

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Then, they came and told us they were going to take us to the school.

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So, they bussed us down the little driveway,

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past all the flashing photographers.

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Up the main driveway of the school.

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And then we were taken to the staffroom.

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Really, the first time I ever got any real information,

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hard information, was at 2:45pm in the afternoon.

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And that information included being told that Sophie had died.

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The police officer couldn't use the word "death" or "deceased".

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He... I think he said "casualty" or "victim".

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But I remember remarking on that later,

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that he couldn't quite bring himself to say

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your child is dead, or deceased.

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He couldn't... He couldn't give us the finality of the vocabulary.

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But it was clear, the news that he was delivering.

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Um...

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It came as a relief.

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It came as

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a significant relief, because knowing is better than not knowing.

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That is the one thing that I can remember

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really, really clearly about that day. I needed to know.

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I just needed to know where she was and what she was.

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And when they told me she was dead, and she was at the hospital,

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it felt that I could begin to come to terms with what had happened.

0:24:460:24:50

It's sort of a surreal thing that I think happened in slow motion...

0:24:570:25:00

The chances were getting higher and higher

0:25:020:25:04

but you're still, in your head, thinking, no, no, no,

0:25:040:25:07

it will not be my mum.

0:25:070:25:10

But my dad said he knew.

0:25:100:25:12

He just knew straightaway.

0:25:130:25:15

He got to the school and said who he was,

0:25:150:25:18

and he was ushered in straightaway, no questions asked.

0:25:180:25:21

It was, "In you come, Mr Mayor."

0:25:210:25:23

And put in the library where he was...

0:25:230:25:25

He waited, I believe, until about three o'clock till he was told

0:25:250:25:28

that she was a teacher that was killed.

0:25:280:25:32

I don't remember the pain of being shot,

0:25:540:25:56

I don't remember the noises, I don't remember sounds.

0:25:560:25:59

The next memory I have is being in the hospital

0:26:000:26:02

and having my clothes cut off.

0:26:020:26:04

I'm a mummy's girl and I would have been shouting on my mummy.

0:26:060:26:10

And even when my mum did arrive to console me,

0:26:100:26:13

she said that I was still shouting for her,

0:26:130:26:16

I just had no comprehension of what was going on at all.

0:26:160:26:19

I just couldn't be consoled at all.

0:26:190:26:23

As a group of parents, some went to the children's ward.

0:26:230:26:26

And then the surgeon who operated on Matthew

0:26:260:26:29

came into the waiting room in intensive care.

0:26:290:26:32

The first things he said to us was, "You're Bev. And you're Steve.

0:26:320:26:38

"And Matthew has a little sister,

0:26:380:26:39

"and his favourite food is baked beans."

0:26:390:26:41

And, to be honest, that's the first thing he could have said to us

0:26:410:26:45

because we knew he hadn't been shot,

0:26:450:26:47

he hadn't been shot so seriously that...

0:26:470:26:50

-He couldn't talk.

-..he couldn't talk.

0:26:500:26:52

The surgeon had told us when he came in that, where Matt had been shot...

0:26:540:26:58

Shot twice.

0:26:580:26:59

Once through the shoulder, straight through and through, flesh wound.

0:26:590:27:02

If you imagine the size of a small child,

0:27:020:27:04

there's not a lot of space between the two bones

0:27:040:27:07

that make up the shoulder blade.

0:27:070:27:08

And, somehow, it had managed to go through

0:27:080:27:10

between a very small space in the bones of his shoulder blade.

0:27:100:27:13

So it had actually missed again, hadn't hit the bone,

0:27:130:27:16

just gone through the flesh there. And then...

0:27:160:27:19

-he'd been shot in the chest.

-He'd been shot in the back.

0:27:190:27:22

Shot in the back.

0:27:220:27:24

And, with the one in the back,

0:27:240:27:27

it had actually gone through his back, but it had hit the rib,

0:27:270:27:30

and then the rib had actually deflected it,

0:27:300:27:33

so it came out the other side of his back.

0:27:330:27:36

And if it hadn't deflected the bullet,

0:27:360:27:38

it would have gone straight through his heart.

0:27:380:27:40

The children fall into two categories.

0:27:460:27:49

They were dead in the gym where they fell,

0:27:490:27:52

or they were evacuated from the gym.

0:27:520:27:57

And although some of them were very badly hurt, they survived.

0:27:570:28:01

Mhairi was the only one who was evacuated from the gym

0:28:010:28:03

who did not survive.

0:28:030:28:05

'I wasn't with her when she died.

0:28:070:28:09

'That's the thing that I regret most.

0:28:110:28:14

'That is the regret, the one regret I have.'

0:28:140:28:16

MHAIRI CHATTERS

0:28:160:28:18

I'd like her mother to have been with her when she died.

0:28:180:28:21

I'd like her to have had her mum.

0:28:210:28:23

'That's an absolute betrayal. I think that was desperately wrong.'

0:28:250:28:31

I feel very angry about that.

0:28:340:28:36

I don't have any memories of Mhairi at all,

0:28:410:28:43

because I was only three months old when she was killed.

0:28:430:28:47

I do wish that I had had a sister.

0:28:470:28:51

Um... It's just odd.

0:28:510:28:54

I don't think I came to terms with it for a very long time,

0:28:540:28:58

because I couldn't imagine having a sister,

0:28:580:29:01

because I was so used to being raised as an only child.

0:29:010:29:04

It's a very odd feeling

0:29:040:29:07

that is almost impossible to describe, I suppose.

0:29:070:29:12

I still have the kind of grieving and mourning,

0:29:120:29:15

but without knowing her per se.

0:29:150:29:19

I've lost something, but not experienced what I've lost,

0:29:210:29:24

I suppose.

0:29:240:29:25

TV NEWS JINGLE

0:29:340:29:36

16 young children and their teacher have been shot dead by a gunman

0:29:360:29:40

at a primary school near Stirling.

0:29:400:29:42

The Chief Constable of Central Scotland said

0:29:420:29:45

the killer had four handguns.

0:29:450:29:46

He's been named tonight as

0:29:460:29:48

43-year-old Thomas Hamilton, a local man.

0:29:480:29:51

-TV:

-Police photos of the inside of Thomas Hamilton's house

0:29:530:29:55

have been released, showing the customised targets he used

0:29:550:29:59

to practise his shooting.

0:29:590:30:00

Detectives searching his home found thousands of rounds of ammunition,

0:30:030:30:06

the telephone book was still lying open

0:30:060:30:08

at the entry for Dunblane Primary School.

0:30:080:30:11

-Thomas Hamilton used two types of bull, er, bullets...

-Bullets, yeah.

0:30:170:30:21

..of which the one that came out the back was sort of one of those that

0:30:210:30:25

they reckon probably was exploding, because it was, er...

0:30:250:30:28

-BOTH: ..quite a nasty exit wound.

-Yeah, it was.

0:30:280:30:31

He was dressed in combat fatigues.

0:30:310:30:33

He had goggles, firearms goggles on, and he had ear defenders on.

0:30:330:30:39

He entered the school, walked down the corridor towards

0:30:390:30:42

the sound of children's voices coming from the gymnasium.

0:30:420:30:47

He entered the gymnasium and he systematically discharged

0:30:470:30:52

his weapons at the teacher and the children gathered there.

0:30:520:30:57

He shot 105 bullets.

0:31:010:31:04

He had the capability, um, with the amount of ammunition,

0:31:060:31:11

to have actually shot every single child in that school at least once.

0:31:110:31:18

Within the three minutes,

0:31:210:31:23

he not only shot at the children in the gym, but he went out of the gym

0:31:230:31:28

and fired shots at two other classes and at someone who was passing by.

0:31:280:31:34

And he then went back into the gym...

0:31:360:31:38

..apparently walked round, shot again at one or two of the children,

0:31:410:31:45

and then finally killed himself.

0:31:450:31:49

In some ways, it's a miracle that anyone survived in that gym.

0:31:490:31:54

And Matthew had said, "I remember, Mummy," he said that, um,

0:31:550:32:01

"everyone was screaming," um, that he watched people fall to the gym...

0:32:010:32:09

-Mm-hm.

-..and he lay on the gym, on the floor, and he...

0:32:090:32:13

he was crying and the man went away and, um, and he says he was crying

0:32:130:32:18

and then, the man came back and he shot

0:32:180:32:22

and I think then he realised that he had to be really, really still...

0:32:220:32:25

-And be quiet.

-..and pretend to be dead...

0:32:250:32:28

-Mm-hm.

-..otherwise, um, he knew he'd shoot him again.

0:32:280:32:31

Yeah, so he just said he just stayed very, very still and very quiet,

0:32:310:32:35

cos then he'd think he was dead.

0:32:350:32:37

'I vividly remember, um, the...'

0:32:470:32:51

the press conference we held just around 10 o'clock that night,

0:32:510:32:54

when I read out the names of the... of the children involved.

0:32:540:32:58

The children who died are as follows.

0:32:590:33:02

Victoria Clydesdale, aged five.

0:33:030:33:06

Emma Crozier, aged five.

0:33:060:33:10

Melissa Currie, aged five.

0:33:100:33:13

Charlotte Dunn, aged five.

0:33:130:33:16

Kevin Hasell, aged five.

0:33:160:33:20

Ross Irvine, aged five.

0:33:200:33:23

David Kerr, aged five.

0:33:230:33:27

Mhairi McBeath, aged five.

0:33:270:33:30

Brett McKinnon, aged five.

0:33:310:33:34

Abigail McLennan, aged five.

0:33:340:33:38

Emily Morton, aged five.

0:33:380:33:42

Sophie North, aged five.

0:33:420:33:45

John Petrie, aged five.

0:33:450:33:49

Joanna Ross, aged five.

0:33:490:33:52

Hannah Scott, aged five.

0:33:520:33:56

Megan Turner, aged five.

0:33:560:33:59

And the teacher, Gwen Mayor, aged 45.

0:33:590:34:04

I had really bad night terrors that, um,

0:34:130:34:17

kept me up during the night and I was just inconsolable.

0:34:170:34:21

My mum speaks of having to, like, hold me in the night

0:34:210:34:26

and I'd wake up, not just once or twice,

0:34:260:34:29

like, four or five times, screaming, crying.

0:34:290:34:33

Matthew was sort of, like, hooked up to loads of drips and drains

0:34:330:34:38

and machines and all I did was just stroke his hand all night

0:34:380:34:42

and, um, and it was... Funny enough, one of the members of staff

0:34:420:34:46

came through and she said, "It's just like you've..."

0:34:460:34:49

With... She said, "It looks like, it's where you feel,

0:34:490:34:53

"when you've just given birth, and you've got that little

0:34:530:34:56

"bundle of joy in your arms, and you just can't take your eyes off him."

0:34:560:35:01

And that's how it felt.

0:35:010:35:03

Um, just having his little hand, um, holding his hand

0:35:030:35:06

and just to think, "I am just so lucky. I've got my boy."

0:35:060:35:10

HELICOPTER ROTORS WHIR

0:35:180:35:20

'The following day...

0:35:280:35:30

'I had to go to Dunblane and took part in the...'

0:35:300:35:35

in this interview, which came as somewhat of a surprise,

0:35:350:35:38

I wasn't expecting to have to do that.

0:35:380:35:41

Ladies and gentlemen, can I introduce you to Mr Ron Taylor,

0:35:410:35:44

the headteacher for Dunblane Primary School.

0:35:440:35:48

Um, I think Mr Taylor would like to just make a...a comment.

0:35:480:35:54

My thoughts, and the thoughts of all my staff,

0:35:560:36:00

are obviously with the families, all the families whose lives

0:36:000:36:05

have been devastated by the appalling tragedy.

0:36:050:36:08

Evil visited us yesterday and we don't know why,

0:36:100:36:15

we don't understand it, and I guess we never will.

0:36:150:36:19

'I thought Ron Taylor was a marvellous man.

0:36:190:36:22

'Some of the words he said were quite unforgettable.'

0:36:220:36:26

These were all his children, these were all his pupils,

0:36:260:36:29

and...and...and he lost 16 of them, 16 of them in the most horrific way.

0:36:290:36:35

I can't get the images out of my head yet,

0:36:350:36:39

and I think that will take some time. It was an appalling mess.

0:36:390:36:42

-REPORTER:

-Were you able to do anything?

-We...

0:36:420:36:45

We did what we could. We tried. We, um...

0:36:450:36:49

People couldn't understand why I felt so guilty after the event...

0:36:490:36:56

..because there is no way any of us

0:36:580:37:01

could have anticipated what happened.

0:37:010:37:04

There's no way we could've adequately prepared

0:37:040:37:08

for what happened, and yet, I felt enormous guilt.

0:37:080:37:13

More than just a survivor's guilt.

0:37:130:37:16

It was my school.

0:37:170:37:19

I felt violated. I felt... I should've been able to do more.

0:37:210:37:25

And that guilt... lives with me today.

0:37:260:37:30

The things that struck me most was the outpouring of grief.

0:37:370:37:41

Lots and lots of people actually came to Dunblane simply just

0:37:410:37:44

to pay their respects.

0:37:440:37:46

Thousands of tributes that arrived in Dunblane in the shape

0:37:480:37:51

of letters, flowers, cuddly toys.

0:37:510:37:55

What you realise is that, when something like this happens,

0:37:550:37:58

the, um, the number of people who are affected by it.

0:37:580:38:02

Um, you see the sort of, the immediate people, the family

0:38:020:38:05

that are involved, but you forget how far the ripples of the pond go.

0:38:050:38:10

The flowers all the way along the street was a wonderful way

0:38:120:38:18

of the country showing their support and their love.

0:38:180:38:22

But it was also a reminder to us every day

0:38:220:38:25

as we had to drive past the flowers.

0:38:250:38:28

The last time I saw Sophie before her funeral service,

0:38:410:38:48

she'd been dressed in a Lion King outfit that I'd bought for her.

0:38:480:38:53

She had always liked The Lion king, even though

0:38:540:38:57

she'd been too frightened to actually watch the movie itself.

0:38:570:39:01

And I also put with her... her sooky...

0:39:030:39:10

which was the last remaining, um, half of a set of...

0:39:100:39:16

two sets of pyjamas that belonged to Barbara,

0:39:160:39:20

which she had, um, sucked on...

0:39:200:39:23

..for years. I tried to persuade her off them, but it had never happened

0:39:250:39:30

and so, again, it was appropriate that they were with her.

0:39:300:39:34

-RON TAYLOR:

-The pressures after the event were, were enormous

0:39:460:39:50

and they were unrelenting.

0:39:500:39:51

We had politicians coming, we had the Royals who came.

0:39:510:39:54

And it was enormously stressful, having to cope with that,

0:39:560:39:59

with the outside pressure that it brought,

0:39:590:40:02

with the pressure of helping to organise the visits,

0:40:020:40:05

but it was entirely understandable why they came.

0:40:050:40:08

They represented the country's support and concern for us.

0:40:080:40:13

NEWSREADER: From there, it was up to Ward 17,

0:40:130:40:15

to see and talk to the five youngsters

0:40:150:40:18

and their two teachers who are being treated at the hospital.

0:40:180:40:21

I was in there for six weeks or something and, you know,

0:40:210:40:25

we were totally overwhelmed by the generosity,

0:40:250:40:28

the public sending things or whatever.

0:40:280:40:31

The photos of, um, me with the Queen at the bottom of my bed...

0:40:360:40:41

I had absolutely no interest in the Queen.

0:40:410:40:43

I was sitting with my Playdays magazine, just wanting to look at

0:40:430:40:46

the pictures in my magazine, rather than the Queen at the end of my bed.

0:40:460:40:50

BUZZ OF CONVERSATION

0:40:500:40:52

Matthew, as he came out of intensive care, um, was very quiet,

0:40:560:41:01

he didn't really talk very much, um,

0:41:010:41:04

he obviously took in a lot of things.

0:41:040:41:06

'It was hard, I mean, cos you had to sort of sit there and just listen

0:41:090:41:13

-'to what he had to say, er...

-Not become too emotional.'

0:41:130:41:15

And try not to sort of...

0:41:150:41:17

-If we got emotional, then he would get upset...

-He wouldn't say...

0:41:170:41:20

..then he wouldn't want to upset Mummy and Daddy, so he wouldn't say.

0:41:200:41:23

-So...

-So you were trying your best just to, just to let him talk.

0:41:230:41:27

Ready or not, here I come!

0:41:270:41:29

LAUGHTER

0:41:300:41:31

But you did get a huge guilt, er, about the fact that

0:41:330:41:36

you still had your, your son and others had lost theirs.

0:41:360:41:39

But it's when you, you meet those parents and, um,

0:41:410:41:45

and you realise that, that... how much we were grieving

0:41:450:41:51

for what had happened to Matthew, um, and that hurt, that pain was

0:41:510:41:56

so, so awful, to imagine what they were going through

0:41:560:42:01

was just something that must be so devastating.

0:42:010:42:05

NEWSREADER: As Dunblane Primary opened its doors

0:42:100:42:12

for the first time since the shootings, most children were

0:42:120:42:15

escorted back by one or both parents. Many of them...

0:42:150:42:18

-RON TAYLOR:

-We opened the school very quickly after the event.

0:42:180:42:23

But it seemed only logical.

0:42:230:42:26

What were the children doing at home,

0:42:260:42:29

with all the stresses and strains and media presence in the village?

0:42:290:42:33

It was better that we reopened the school as quickly as possible

0:42:340:42:39

and that they returned to a form of normality.

0:42:390:42:42

This has been a... a long, dark week, full of tears.

0:42:420:42:48

Dunblane is still in mourning.

0:42:500:42:52

However...

0:42:540:42:55

..the evil that came last week is gone.

0:42:570:43:00

The children returned to school today.

0:43:010:43:04

And this is a, a very important day for us,

0:43:050:43:08

because today marks the beginning of our recovery.

0:43:080:43:12

As a headteacher, what happened to me that day

0:43:120:43:17

was the worst experience any headteacher could have.

0:43:170:43:21

And of course, it was the worst experience for any parent, too.

0:43:210:43:25

And for the parents of the other children...

0:43:270:43:30

they were hugely emotional.

0:43:300:43:32

But it was very wonderful...

0:43:340:43:36

..that almost all the children returned on that day.

0:43:370:43:42

Having been shot in the leg, and my kneecap was shattered, um,

0:43:420:43:47

my leg had to be in traction,

0:43:470:43:49

which means it had to be up in the air, um, for...

0:43:490:43:53

to be set again, really, um...

0:43:530:43:56

so I spent a lot of time, you know, I couldn't go out in the wheelchair

0:43:560:44:00

or anything, I was stuck to the bed for six weeks, um...

0:44:000:44:03

..and I had, you know, I had...

0:44:050:44:07

That resulted in me being the last one to leave the hospital.

0:44:070:44:10

Hairbrush.

0:44:120:44:13

'After the shootings and the police had collected all the belongings

0:44:170:44:21

'and they'd had them for...'

0:44:210:44:23

it must've been some time,

0:44:230:44:25

and my mum was given all my stuff back one day

0:44:250:44:27

'and there was this, you know, god-awful smell

0:44:270:44:30

'and she couldn't figure out what it was.'

0:44:300:44:33

There was just a big, mouldy banana in my school bag that was...

0:44:350:44:40

There was a very unpleasant smell coming from it.

0:44:400:44:44

MOTHER CHATS SOFTLY

0:44:440:44:46

SEAGULLS CALL

0:45:030:45:05

BIRDS TWEET

0:45:110:45:14

-We've been married for a long time.

-Yeah, um...

0:45:170:45:20

-Too long?

-Far too long!

-Yeah, 16?

-16 years. Together 17.

0:45:200:45:25

-Um, married 16.

-16.

-Yeah.

0:45:250:45:27

-It's our kind of escape.

-Yeah, it has been,

0:45:360:45:39

-and it's been our kind of bolthole for about a decade now.

-Yeah.

0:45:390:45:44

Maybe this is the place where we feel closest together,

0:45:440:45:47

but it's also the place where I feel safest.

0:45:470:45:50

'I try to be very consistent. I try to be a focal point that,'

0:45:520:45:58

if things are not going well for Isabel, she can rely on me to, um...

0:45:580:46:05

er... be a constant for us.

0:46:050:46:08

I think the baggage is always there

0:46:080:46:11

-and I think that's a problem at times.

-Mm-hm.

0:46:110:46:14

I don't think it is possible, after Dunblane,

0:46:140:46:17

-to have a life that is completely normal.

-No.

0:46:170:46:21

It's lovely, soft wool

0:46:240:46:26

and I do remember her wearing that and it was just...

0:46:260:46:29

It was just a lovely little...

0:46:300:46:32

..a lovely little cardigan.

0:46:340:46:36

It's the only drawing I have that Mhairi did of her sister.

0:46:360:46:40

Look, this is Catherine,

0:46:420:46:44

with a big, happy smile on her face

0:46:440:46:47

and with a fresh nappy on, clearly.

0:46:470:46:49

This is a bit special.

0:46:490:46:52

She had ladybird scissors and this is her ladybird bracelet.

0:46:520:46:58

We used to go ladybird spotting...

0:46:580:47:00

..erm, in the garden at home and if we caught a ladybird,

0:47:010:47:06

Mhairi would always want it to crawl over her hands.

0:47:060:47:08

This is Mhairi's death certificate.

0:47:080:47:10

I have thought a lot about,

0:47:140:47:17

"It could have been me there, not her."

0:47:170:47:20

Erm...

0:47:200:47:21

I know it's not my fault.

0:47:220:47:24

Erm...

0:47:240:47:25

It's not my fault that someone decided to kill my sister,

0:47:260:47:29

but I do, a bit, feel...

0:47:290:47:32

a bit guilty that I'm the one that survived and not her.

0:47:320:47:37

Erm...

0:47:370:47:38

I don't think that's an entirely rational feeling.

0:47:380:47:42

I recognise myself that that is...

0:47:420:47:44

It's not a rational feeling, it's something that you just feel

0:47:440:47:47

when this kind of thing has happened to you.

0:47:470:47:50

Catherine, erm...

0:47:500:47:53

has obviously outlived Mhairi and there's been certain milestones,

0:47:530:47:58

certain points in Catherine's life that's been very upsetting for us,

0:47:580:48:04

because Mhairi never did this, Mhairi never got that,

0:48:040:48:08

Mhairi never got a chance for this.

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And in my head, it's hard to think of Catherine as the little sister,

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because Catherine is now the big sister

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because she's lived so much longer.

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I have one final poem.

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Give a huge, Loud crowd applause

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for Catherine Wilson.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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These are the facts I know about my sister

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She's an artist, an architect, a scientist and a gospel singer

0:48:380:48:42

She's training to be a vet

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A childhood dream that she has loved as long as

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Ice cream and she got the science-y side of my father

0:48:470:48:50

When I got the philosophy, she loves astrology

0:48:500:48:53

And if I'm sick or sad or hate the world, she climbs into my bed

0:48:530:48:57

Plaits my hair with affection and I love her

0:48:570:48:59

She's my sister and I love her and I love her

0:48:590:49:01

And she's my sister and my sister and I love her and I love her

0:49:010:49:04

And she is my sister and I love her

0:49:040:49:06

Or maybe I don't...

0:49:080:49:10

'I can sit here and say my sister was'

0:49:100:49:11

going to be a vet or she was going to be, I don't know, a rock star,

0:49:110:49:15

she was going to be famous

0:49:150:49:17

or she was going to be, you know, the next...

0:49:170:49:20

um, I don't know,

0:49:200:49:22

she was going to run a charity or something like that,

0:49:220:49:24

but that might not be true, she might have completely...

0:49:240:49:28

We might have completely fallen out, we might not get on,

0:49:280:49:31

so I kind of wanted to capture that.

0:49:310:49:33

I don't know these facts about my sister

0:49:330:49:35

They are nothing more than the fruits of my contemplation

0:49:350:49:38

A big "What if?" that keeps me up at night

0:49:380:49:40

And I'm forever sorry that I can't say I'm an only child by choice

0:49:400:49:43

With me comes the background baggage of a crime scene

0:49:430:49:45

That put me on the map

0:49:450:49:46

And I never want to say it, I'm too afraid to say it

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Dunblane.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:49:510:49:53

REPORTER: The Dunblane parents believe

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that while the police might have made mistakes,

0:50:000:50:02

it is, they say, our whole attitude towards guns which needs changing.

0:50:020:50:06

I was certainly of the opinion,

0:50:090:50:10

and that appeared to be one that was shared between all the families,

0:50:100:50:14

that we wanted to do something positive,

0:50:140:50:16

we wanted to change the gun laws

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and there was no way that that would happen

0:50:180:50:20

if we just stood in the background.

0:50:200:50:23

And through campaigning, often exhausting campaigning,

0:50:250:50:30

in the face of very strenuous and nasty opposition at times,

0:50:300:50:36

we were delighted to be able to persuade governments,

0:50:360:50:42

both Conservative and Labour,

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to introduce legislation which Parliament passed,

0:50:450:50:49

which did result in the banning of handguns by 1998,

0:50:490:50:53

just two years after the Dunblane Massacre.

0:50:530:50:57

I feel my generation probably...

0:51:070:51:11

..like the older generation, just can't fathom how...

0:51:120:51:18

just awful it all was and how awful it all is

0:51:180:51:21

and how it's still affecting us all today.

0:51:210:51:24

And then, following that comes...

0:51:280:51:30

I'm angry I don't have my sister now.

0:51:300:51:34

I feel like she was taken.

0:51:350:51:37

And it's all very selfish.

0:51:390:51:40

This man didn't consider, actually,

0:51:400:51:43

"I'm leaving parents without children

0:51:430:51:46

"and siblings without siblings."

0:51:460:51:48

When I say it's not how I want to remember my mum,

0:51:500:51:53

I find it quite a morbid picture, to be honest. It's sort of...

0:51:530:51:55

It is a snapshot of that day.

0:51:550:51:57

It's like a picture of him...

0:51:590:52:01

and that picture, that's a sort of chilling thing for me.

0:52:010:52:05

I find it quite a chilling picture.

0:52:050:52:07

It's just typical of my mum, you know.

0:52:100:52:12

She's out hill walking and she's got all her make-up on

0:52:120:52:15

and her hair is all lovely and she's got earrings on

0:52:150:52:18

and she's got her lippy on.

0:52:180:52:20

And she's...

0:52:200:52:21

She's smiling and her eyes are happy.

0:52:210:52:23

I still have these gloves.

0:52:250:52:27

That's exactly how I remember her.

0:52:300:52:32

Time... is a strange thing.

0:52:360:52:39

And I think it's become even more strange since Sophie was killed.

0:52:410:52:45

Some of the memories are so strong that they can seem like yesterday,

0:52:470:52:51

they can seem like last week.

0:52:510:52:53

This is...

0:53:000:53:02

This is so important.

0:53:020:53:04

This one, on the first anniversary,

0:53:060:53:09

is from Princess Diana.

0:53:090:53:11

"As a mother myself,

0:53:120:53:13

"my enormous admiration for you all grows stronger.

0:53:130:53:17

"Your dearly loved children will always be greatly missed,

0:53:170:53:20

"especially today, as we remember.

0:53:200:53:22

"My thoughts and prayers are with you.

0:53:230:53:26

"With love from Diana."

0:53:260:53:27

After Sophie died, I can honestly say there was never a time

0:53:330:53:37

when I thought, "No, I can't go on."

0:53:370:53:40

There were times when I knew it was going to be difficult to go on.

0:53:400:53:44

There were times when I was depressed.

0:53:440:53:49

But I never, ever felt, "No, there's no point in keeping going."

0:53:490:53:55

Of course, it's...

0:53:560:53:57

..horrible, when the two people you're closest to have died.

0:53:590:54:05

But neither of them would have wanted me to give up

0:54:080:54:12

on what life still had to offer

0:54:120:54:15

and what I could offer to life.

0:54:150:54:18

People have to cope in their own way.

0:54:240:54:26

One of the things I have at home is I have a box...

0:54:270:54:30

..full of...

0:54:310:54:32

..newspaper articles, statements, cuttings,

0:54:340:54:37

and it includes my own written version of the events of the day,

0:54:370:54:41

and I did that to help. I locked it away

0:54:410:54:47

and thankfully, I have never looked at it again.

0:54:470:54:49

And it's quite easy to keep that box locked.

0:54:510:54:54

It's much more difficult to keep the box in my head locked.

0:54:540:54:58

Matthew got to grow, got to go to high school,

0:55:080:55:12

got to his 18th birthday, got to his 21st birthday,

0:55:120:55:16

we watched him grow and develop from a young child

0:55:160:55:21

to just a warm, loving young man.

0:55:210:55:24

That's one thing that's very important to Matt,

0:55:360:55:39

is the fact that he wants to be defined by what he does in life,

0:55:390:55:43

not by what happened to him.

0:55:430:55:45

And that's a good thing.

0:55:450:55:46

It just upsets me that it makes Isabel sad and emotional

0:55:520:55:57

and it's something I can't fix.

0:55:570:55:59

It's something I can't make better.

0:56:010:56:03

Something I can't bring back.

0:56:030:56:05

I don't want you to be upset.

0:56:180:56:20

-You're going to cry. I don't want you to be upset.

-Sh!

0:56:220:56:24

-Talking like that will make me cry!

-THEY LAUGH

0:56:240:56:27

-I'm really sorry.

-I do want...

0:56:280:56:31

You just want me...

0:56:320:56:34

-You just want me to be happy.

-Yeah.

0:56:340:56:36

It's what anybody in a comfortable marriage,

0:56:360:56:40

relationship wants for their partner, they want them to be happy,

0:56:400:56:43

but there's nothing I can do to make that part of your life...

0:56:430:56:48

-Different.

-Different, or better.

0:56:480:56:50

-Yes. It is what it is.

-It is what it is.

-Yeah.

0:56:500:56:54

This event was so unprecedented,

0:56:580:57:01

and so huge, with so many implications for so many people,

0:57:010:57:05

that we really must mark this important anniversary.

0:57:050:57:09

It's very difficult for people, it's very difficult for the community

0:57:100:57:13

and many people might not agree with me.

0:57:130:57:16

But it's hugely important

0:57:160:57:19

to help as best we can those who survived.

0:57:190:57:21

And support those who lost.

0:57:220:57:25

I've got scarring on my left leg, on both sides,

0:57:310:57:34

on my knee and my thigh,

0:57:340:57:38

and the doctors at some point had suggested to my mum

0:57:380:57:41

that I maybe would want skin grafts to try and cover them up.

0:57:410:57:45

My mum, I think she was worried that I'd be self-conscious about them,

0:57:450:57:51

getting older and being a teenager, maybe wearing skirts or whatever,

0:57:510:57:55

but to me, it wasn't an option.

0:57:550:57:57

These are my scars, they're on my body, it's my story,

0:57:570:58:01

I'm not going to...

0:58:010:58:02

I'm not going to hide them, I'm not ashamed of them.

0:58:020:58:06

It is part of UK history now, unfortunately, as well

0:58:060:58:08

and it's something that needs to be remembered.

0:58:080:58:12

So that everyone's aware that we are still here,

0:58:120:58:14

we are still getting on with our lives

0:58:140:58:16

and we didn't just fade into the background either.

0:58:160:58:20

We still had to power on and push on with our lives

0:58:200:58:23

and it's important that everybody knows we're doing it.

0:58:230:58:26

And doing it well.

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