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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
-MAN ON PHONE: -'He's shooting everybody.' | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
-WOMAN ON PHONE: -'Who's shooting everybody?' | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
-'A gunman. -A gunman's shooting everybody? | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
-'Yeah. -OK, whereabouts? | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
'Outside the library at Birstall. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
-'He's stabbed someone as well. -He's stabbed someone as well?' | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
It's a brutal attack, he is going to kill her, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
there is nothing going to stop him from doing so. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
There's rage, there's real rage. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
-NEWS REPORTS OVERLAP: -Reports of a stabbing, reports of a shooting. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
The Labour MP Jo Cox, shot and stabbed in her constituency... | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
..in a killing which led to the suspension of campaigning | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
in the EU referendum. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:43 | |
Police have charged Thomas Mair with the murder of the Labour MP... | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
Even now, I don't think I'll ever be able to reconcile it, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
because it's not him. How can you know someone for nine years | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
and not know that he's capable of doing that? | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
We're asking you WHY you've done it? | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
Jo Cox's family want to know why... | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
she's dead. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:07 | |
-Thank you, it's been nice to meet you. -It's really good | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
-that you're here. Hello! -A wonderful-looking lady. -Go, Labour! | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
I can't remember anybody not liking Jo. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
We were really, really close. We were close all our lives, really, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
but particularly when we were kids. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
We grew up in Heckmondwike. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
We used to go up and play in the barley fields. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
There was a wild horse that used to chase us | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
and there was a bull, so I remember, like, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
playing out for hours and hours and hours. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
We had a very good childhood, a very happy childhood. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
She was a hard act to follow, going through school, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
cos Jo was good at everything. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:02 | |
She was academic, but she was also sporty. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
She was very popular, she'd got a lot of friends. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
She was a little bit too good to be true. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
2005 has been an unprecedented year for Oxfam, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
both in terms of the number and scale of the disaster... | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
MAN: Jo and I were both were both working at Oxfam. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
She was very, sort of, well-known as being this very, sort of, effective, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
passionate advocate. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
People talked about her with a sort of mix of admiration and awe. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
We ended up having dinner together one night | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
and she cooked me a very bad vegetarian lasagne, which she burnt. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
Cooking wasn't her strongest point, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
but it was a very nice meal anyway. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
We'd always lived on boats together. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
Every two weeks, we'd live somewhere different. It was beautiful. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Amazing way to live, for a period, at least. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
One of the, sort of, defining things of her was that energy | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
and that she just put into everything, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
from the most mundane tasks to the most significant. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
Therefore, made days exciting and interesting | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
even if they weren't necessarily going to be so, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
and particularly with the kids. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
She put such an energy into them. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
There was once a banana, and it was a cheeky kind of banana. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
Do you know what it did? | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
What Jo did, she passed on to both of them, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
her excitement and her, sort of, joy at life. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:28 | |
People said, "I quite fancy eating a banana." | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
-SING-SONG: -"You can't catch me, I'm a banana!" | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
Thomas Mair was eight years of age when his mum and dad separated, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
and he came to live in the Birstall area, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
which is where his grandmother lived. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
His mum and his grandma, Tommy, and his younger brother, Scott, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
all in lived in the same house. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
You might see Tommy now and again, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
I don't think he ever played out, really. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
He spent every evening reading or writing stories. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
His mum described him as an intellectual child. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
Quite gifted at school, certainly sat Mensa exams. In his teens, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
not interested in girls, not interested in going to the pub. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
All the regular things that you would expect from a teenager, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
Thomas wasn't interested in. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
His mother remarried and had another son. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
I know that his mother formed a relationship with | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
an African-Caribbean man, and from that time onwards, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
their relationship deteriorated. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
Mum left and got her own place, so it was just Tommy and his grandma. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
About 20 years ago, the grandma died | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
and Tommy was left in the house on his own. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
Very cold, very impersonal. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
Clearly he was a very well-ordered individual. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
Single bed, very, very neatly made. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
Everything had its place. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:18 | |
He had a very well-structured lifestyle, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
in terms of his daily routine. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
It was evident that he ate the same things. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
There's an obsessive compulsiveness about him. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
The tins are facing the right way. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
It's that classic OCD-ness. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
He'd wash his hands with the use of Brillo pads. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
His mum described them as blue, almost, his hands, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
cos they'd basically taken the skin off. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
His face and forehead were red, but not as bad as his hands. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:53 | |
Apparently, he had a thing about germs. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
Nobody has come forward to say they've ever been in any form of | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
relationship with him at all. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
Just not communicated on any level with anybody, really. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
Lived a solitary life and, in fact, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
some witnesses have described him as almost being a hermit. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
So, first of all, I'm standing for the Labour Party in Batley and Spen, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
which is quite a large constituency around here | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
and many of your listeners, I think, live in that constituency. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
I grew up in Batley and Heckmondwike... | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
She got a call letting her know that the MP from her hometown | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
was standing down. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
For me, it was so obviously the thing that she wanted to do next | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
with her life, and I knew that she'd be incredibly good at it, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
and I knew that this chance wouldn't come up again. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
So we said, "Let's go for it." | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
You'd be here five years? | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
Five years. But, hopefully, I'll be here for 20 years. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
-You'll be getting tired of seeing me. -So once you're in... | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
Jo was driven by a desire to help people | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
and I think she had become very politically aware | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
whilst at university, and since, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
that politics was a means of helping people, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
and politics was a means of creating a difference. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
The Conservative Party candidate, 15,769. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:19 | |
This was where we grew up, she wanted to be our MP. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
She wanted to be the MP for Batley and Spen. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
It was never just about getting a constituency. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
It was getting her home constituency, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
with the people that she cared about | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
and the area that she knew and loved. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
Cox, Jo, Labour Party, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
-21,826. -CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
-Jo, how do you feel right now? -I'm elated, but I'm humbled that | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
the people of Batley and Spen have put their trust in me | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
to be your next Member of Parliament. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
But I'm very excited. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
My husband and I have been up all night. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
I remember lifting her up into the air and giving her a hug and, yeah, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
just being really excited, and her, sort of, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
bounding with enthusiasm and excitement about it. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:08 | |
It's a great privilege to be called to make my maiden speech. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Batley and Spen is a gathering of typically independent, no-nonsense, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
proud Yorkshire towns and villages. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
Our communities have been deeply enhanced by immigration, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
be it Irish Catholics across the constituency, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
or Muslims from Indian Gujarat or Pakistan, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
and whilst we celebrate our diversity, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
the thing that surprises me | 0:08:31 | 0:08:32 | |
time and time again as I travel around the constituency is that | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
we are far more united and have far more in common | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
than that which divides us. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
From getting elected, she just really threw everything into it. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
She was so determined. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
-JO COX: -It's been a busy year. You know, we hit the ground running. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
I've probably dealt with about, oh, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
4,000 or 5,000 individual families already across Batley and Spen. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
Jo picked up hundreds of issues | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
during the campaign, so we had a lot to go at, to start with. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
You know, the ability to stand up in the House of Commons and actually | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
really challenge the Government to make sure that its policies reflect | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
what local people are worried about... | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
She was just like Tigger. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:17 | |
She'd just bounced around all over the place. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
Sometimes I felt like I was just trailing along in her wake | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
and she'd be bouncing off somewhere. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
She just had so much energy, and just keeping up with her, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
mentally and physically, was hard work. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
You know, we've helped people get discharged from hospital faster, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
get better compensation, get new houses. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
She just had this unbelievable gift to bring everybody on a journey | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
with her. She was very, sort of, down-to-earth, very humble, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
and I think she had a very, sort of, um, friendly, sort of, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
informal, sort of, approach with people. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
Just to repeat to any of your listeners, if anyone does have | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
a problem they're really grappling with, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
where they think me and my team can help, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
they just need to come to one of my surgeries. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
They're all on the website. Give my office a ring... | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
Thomas has never worked, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
and that's because he's been signed off due to his anxiety. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
But what that did allow Thomas to do was to work voluntary. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
It would be around 2007, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
and Tom came to increase his confidence, his IT skills. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
Which, you know, that is what we do. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
We're there to work with people that have got physical disabilities, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
mental health, learning disabilities. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
You know, there are a lot of people out there that can do more, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
if they're given the opportunity, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
and given the right guidance, and the confidence. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
He would sit there...very solitary, he would not engage with anybody. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:52 | |
He wouldn't chat with the person next to him. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
If he was stuck with something, in the work that he was doing, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
he would not ask, | 0:10:57 | 0:10:58 | |
he would just stare at the screen, waiting for someone to go to him. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
If you tried to engage in a conversation, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
it was like trying to extract teeth, getting him to actually talk. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
He then left us to go and volunteer - | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
volunteer as a gardener. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
"I can honestly say | 0:11:19 | 0:11:20 | |
"it has done me more good than all the psychotherapy | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
"and medication in the world. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
"Many people who suffer from mental illness..." | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
Indeed, there's an article, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:29 | |
I think in the Huddersfield Examiner, going back some years, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
where Thomas is interviewed, and describes the fact | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
that those types of groups were far more beneficial | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
than anything that medication could ever do for him. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
"Feelings of worthlessness are also common, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
"mainly caused by long-term unemployment. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
"All these problems are alleviated by doing voluntary work." | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
Tom came back to us, wanting to be a volunteer. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
He wanted to help people. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
And he did just short of five years volunteering. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
He would come to me with ideas, erm, for example, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
at Christmas he said, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:11 | |
"Can we make balloon animals, you know, in the group? | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
"Can I get some balloons?" And...fine. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
I've got to say, it was one of the loudest, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
most chaotic groups that I've ever seen. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
We were just giggling all afternoon. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
I think Tom was a bit of a show-off, as well. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
Because, you know, it was something he could do. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
And I think it was, really, he wanted to be liked. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
He was treated with respect by those learners, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
he was liked by those learners. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
And he wanted to give them something back, because he'd been accepted. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
Nobody knew this guy. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:50 | |
His own mother didn't really know him. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
-HITLER: -Ich face der fuhrer! -CHEERING | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
HITLER CONTINUES IN GERMAN | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
Almost on a daily basis, Thomas Mair was looking at web pages | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
relating to the Nazis. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
HITLER SPEAKS IN GERMAN | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
He volunteered at the libraries in Batley and Birstall. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
And that gave him access to the internet. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
There was no online activity going on at his home address. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
There was no iPad, iPod, laptop, or anything like that in his own home. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
-Ich liebe Deutschland! -CHEERING | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
He spends the majority of his spare time in the library. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
His internet search history, which we were able to access, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
would indicate that he'd been using that facility since 2012. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
Anything far right, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
he appears to have had an interest in for some time. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
He wasn't in chatrooms with other people in political groups, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
he wasn't on any online forums | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
engaging in any healthy social debate. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
Hitler! Hitler aber ich Deutschland... | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
He was able to immerse himself in this hatred and this ideology, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
and nobody knew about it. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
DAVID CAMERON: I will go to Parliament | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
and propose that the British people decide our future in Europe, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
through an in-out referendum on Thursday the 23rd of June. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
Get our country back! | 0:14:24 | 0:14:25 | |
Get our country back, absolutely! We're there. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
Our economy is better if we're inside... | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
-No, it isn't. -Yes, it is. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
-No, it isn't. -Yes, it is. -All right... | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
We need to think about the younger generations, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
the people that are going to bring this country forward in the future, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
-but you're not. -If we want to vote to leave this organisation, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
let's vote to leave it, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:44 | |
but let's not do it on the basis of three things | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
that are completely untrue. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
If we leave the European Union, the world's our oyster. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
We can do what the hell we like. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
Yeah! | 0:14:54 | 0:14:55 | |
Many businesses in Yorkshire also want the security and stability | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
of Britain's continued membership of the European Union, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
a cause I look forward to passionately championing | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
in this place and elsewhere. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
Jo was very strong to Remain. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
She did market stalls. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
She did a column in the paper about it. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
She went to talk to groups about it. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
But she was very adamant that she would be voting to Remain, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
and she tried to encourage other people to do the same. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
Very quickly, in or out? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
I'm in. We should definitely stay in Europe. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
Good for jobs, good for security, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
I don't want Scotland to leave England... | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
The Remain vote was one of the things that she was working on, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
she was out, busy campaigning and knocking on doors, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
engaging with people. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
But it wasn't the only thing that she thought was important. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
She was very interested in Syria, and the problems going on there. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
Very, very passionate about trying to improve things | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
for the Syrian people. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
-JO COX: -It's how history judges us. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
I believe that Syria is our generation's test. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
She genuinely believed | 0:15:59 | 0:16:00 | |
that it was the biggest humanitarian crisis of our time. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
And I think, having worked for Oxfam for so many years, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
she felt like she couldn't ignore that. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
You know, she wasn't prepared to just shy away from it | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
because it was a contentious issue. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
She felt very strongly that the people who needed to come here | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
should be allowed to come here | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
and that we should help to look after them. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
On refugees, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
what further can the UK do to get the most vulnerable people | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
out of harm's way, and surely, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
isn't it time to end the Government's shameful refusal | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
to give 3,000 unaccompanied children sanctuary here in the UK? | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
CHEERING | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
Is it not time we took back control of our immigration policy? | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
And on the subject of immigration, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
I think their campaign is verging on the squalid. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
-Where are these...? -Stop shouting! | 0:16:46 | 0:16:47 | |
Where are these refugees going to go? | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
Do you know what? Every month, I scrape, I scrape... | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
NIGEL FARAGE: The opinion polls are astonishing. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
77% of the British public want cuts to the numbers coming into Britain, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
and over half the voters want a reduction to near zero. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:07 | |
We're not big enough. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:08 | |
We're over... We're overdone. We're full! We're full! | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
The 7th of June is...kind of focal moment, really, for him. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
One of the searches that Thomas Mair did | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
was a general Wikipedia search on Jo Cox. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
And then there is a whole section on her political career, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
and the causes that she was very, very engaged with. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
You can almost imagine him sitting, becoming quite angry. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
-JO COX: -What has Europe done for Yorkshire? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
£7.8 billion worth of goods, exported to Europe. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
That is about 30,000 jobs dependent on our trade with Europe. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
And then he starts looking at an image of a .22 rim-fire rifle. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
And then a search on YouTube | 0:17:57 | 0:17:58 | |
of some individuals in the United States test-firing one. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:03 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
I'm presuming that at that stage, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
he either knows how he's going to get hold of such a weapon, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
or in fact, at that point, has come into possession of that weapon. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
Around about that time, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
there would've been posters up in that library, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
saying Jo Cox will be here on the 16th of June, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
and she'll be doing a surgery on that day. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
It's where Jo's constituents could come and see Jo. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
People would come to the surgery, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
and then they would come in and speak to Jo | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
and tell them what their problem was, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
and we'd tell them what we could do to help. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
All around him, he will have been, "Right, motive, opportunity... | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
"Oh, opportunity, big-time opportunity." | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
VOICEOVER: It's highlighting a new report from a group campaigning | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
for tighter immigration controls, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
which says a quarter of a million people | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
cannot face up to the big issue about immigration. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
If you're at the bottom of the pile, you've paid the price... | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
If we've voted to leave, who's going to be happiest? | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
It's going to be Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
and a resurgent right that I think would spell disaster. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
I only saw him on the Friday before. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
We'd had a quick word - just, "Hi, how are you?" | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
"Yeah, all right." "What are you doing today?" | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
Erm... | 0:19:31 | 0:19:32 | |
There was very little said, that wasn't run-of-the-mill, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
part of his volunteering. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
If he was feeling that way, why didn't he say something? | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
What had changed from that Friday to the Thursday, when it happened? | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
It just doesn't make sense. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
13th of June, he's researching - | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
"is a .22 shot to the head deadly?" | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
It's a very popular round, it's extremely useful, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
and no serious... | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
There'd been some search history about the human anatomy, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
locations of organs, etc. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
So I have no doubt in my mind | 0:20:13 | 0:20:14 | |
that he'd planned exactly where he wanted to put that knife. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
So, the day before, we'd got up, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
the kids and I were going out on our little dinghy, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
with the motor on the back, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
cos Nigel Farage was coming up the river, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
with a big "Out" flotilla. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
Nigel, you're a fraud. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
This campaign's gone way beyond the ordinary, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
far past the usual insults and intrigue of politics. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
A group of friends had decided that we'd go out with our "In" flags. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
It was all very, sort of, er, light-hearted. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
So we jumped onto the boats, and Jo had helped get the kids ready, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
into their life jackets, and given them a flag to hold each. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
Then I zipped off, and Jo was taking some pictures. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
Then we all waved her goodbye as we came past the pontoon. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
She then went up to the constituency, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
and that was the last time that we...that we saw her. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
The earliest point that we've got him within the library | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
is on the previous day, on the 15th, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
when he's in, speaking to members of staff. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
Specifically asking about the Jo Cox surgery | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
that was due to take place the following day. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Asking questions about the time, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
asking questions about whether he needed to book an appointment. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
He had a black holdall, sports holdall, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
it does appear to be containing something heavy. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
I think he's pretty much had hold of the weapon, wherever he's had it, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
in his possession. You know, he's had it with him. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
Every Wednesday evening, down at the centre, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
we have a demonstration of mediumship. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
We also have holistic therapies and massage. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
Now, I was upstairs, when a gentleman came in, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
wanting some more information. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
He'd passed the centre on a regular basis, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
he'd always wondered what it was about, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
but never had the courage to come in. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
He'd been suffering with depression and anxiety for a long time, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
and was on medication. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
He was looking at things to work alongside what he was taking. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
As people started to arrive, he became more uncomfortable, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
more restless, like moving side to side. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
He asked if I would be there on Thursday morning, which I said yes, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
and my colleague Suzanne would be there, as well. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
And we could sit down and have a cuppa, and a chat, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
and go through different therapies and things in more detail. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
I asked him his name, and he said Tommy. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
And I said, "I'll see you tomorrow, Tommy." | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
She had a sort of small cottage-type place, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
and in true Jo form, she had no food, or milk, or anything. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:23:40 | 0:23:41 | |
She was so focused on the bigger picture, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
that the day-to-day stuff just got forgotten. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
She never had any food, so you always had to feed her. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
She never had anything to wear, so you always | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
had to find her something to wear, and she never had any cash. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
You always had to, you know, sort her out with some money. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
So generally, Mum would feed her, she would borrow my clothes, | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
and Dad would sort out the cash. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
She'd rang her mum at night, at about nine, half nine, saying, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
"Mum, I've just got home, but I've got no food, no milk, or anything, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
"and I'm really hungry." | 0:24:08 | 0:24:09 | |
So her mum had said, "Well, what do you want? | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
"Do you want a sandwich or a jacket potato?" | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
She said, "Oh, it's fine. I'll just have a cheese sandwich, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
"but can you send some milk? | 0:24:15 | 0:24:16 | |
"Because I've got cereal, but I've got no milk", | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
so her dad, bless him, had gone out, half nine, quarter to ten at night, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
to give her the sandwich, and food, or whatever, which, obviously now, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:27 | |
he's really pleased that he'd seen her the night before. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
REPORTER: Immigration is the key issue for UKIP. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
The party's latest posters feature a vast queue of people and the | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
controversial warning that the EU is reaching breaking point. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
Jo came into the office, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
and she said, "Oh, what an awful thing to do." | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
We were sort of saying, we can't believe | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
that he'd put something like that out. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
Every one of these can get to Calais. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
We know how bad our Government is at defending our borders, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
and within a few years, all of these people will have EU passports. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
We are much less safe as part of this European Union. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
Thomas left his own home address around half nine in the morning... | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
..took himself up to the Birstall retail park, just by the M62... | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
..where he spent a large amount of time, simply, kind of, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
window shopping. Went into WH Smith's, read a few magazines, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
and looked at the local paper. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:46 | |
For want of a better expression, he's killing time. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
Significantly, he's in possession of the bag containing the firearm. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:55 | |
Equally as important, he's wearing the two baseball caps - a black one, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
underneath the cream baseball cap. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
He doesn't make any purchases, and then leaves, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
and basically tracks the same route back towards | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
his home address and indeed goes home for a short period of time. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
Jo came to us at about 11 o'clock. I think, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
initially, she was scheduled to be with us for about an hour. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
Everyone wants to see the fire engines being built, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
that's the bit they want to go and see. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
Obviously, we were fast approaching the In/Out referendum. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
She threw that pebble in the pond, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
it was very much Jo said, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
"So, go on, dare I ask, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:42 | |
"how are you all voting in here?" | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
The bulk of that office | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
was in favour of leaving the European Union, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
so she had a tough job. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
But it was really well-handled. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
Jo was respectful of people's views. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
She listened. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
I just instantly felt a lot of warmth for Jo for that. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
That we could have quite different opinions, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
and yet, still, really, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
clearly, get on and have a mutual respect for one another. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
Interestingly, every time he seems to leave the address, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
he's got a bag of rubbish with him. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
It seems to be part of his routine, leaving his property, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
he takes his refuse with him | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
and dumps it just around the corner. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:32 | |
Instead of turning left towards the retail park, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
he takes the right-hand turn, and goes, effectively, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
down towards Birstall town centre. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
There's significant CCTV in and around Market Square, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
from both the local authority systems, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
and also from private systems, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
and we can effectively track his movements. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
It was the day of the England match, it was England v Wales. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
And I said to my mum that I was going to meet a few friends... | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
..in the pub. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
I got off the bus, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
I seen Tommy stood at the bus stop. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
I said hello to him. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
He didn't say hello back, and I did a double-take, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
noticed he had a suit jacket on, which was... | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
I'd never seen him wearing a suit jacket. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
He was fiddling about with t'lapels, trying to make himself look tidy, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
and I thought he just mustn't have heard me. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
I didn't think anything else of it. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:42 | |
I thought he was getting on the bus that I'd just got off. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
And I went into the pub. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
His movements from the CCTV would indicate that he'd done some form of | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
reconnaissance before the incident, and therefore | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
knew what vehicle to look out for. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
He's milling about, he purchases a chocolate bar, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
and we see him eat the chocolate bar, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
and dispose of the wrapper | 0:29:06 | 0:29:07 | |
just opposite the shop called The Vape Lounge, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
where he's got a perfect vantage point down towards the library. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
She was supposed to head back into the office for 12 o'clock. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
But I knew Jo would never come at that time. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
She was always late. Obviously, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:26 | |
we had the surgery booked for one o'clock, so we ideally wanted | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
to get to Birstall for about quarter to, ten to. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
She came into the office at 12...I think about 35. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
Jo burst into the office, as usual, "Hiya!" | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
And I said, "You're late!" | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
And she said, "Yes, I know I'm late, but I've had a fabulous morning. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
"Come here and give me a massive hug, cos I haven't seen you | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
"for two weeks. Did you have a nice holiday?" | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
And then we said, "Look, we're going to have to go very soon, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
"or we're going to be late for the surgery." | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
And she said, "Yes, I know, but I'm bloody starving." | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
I said, "We don't have time for you to get a sandwich, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
"but I've got a pasta bake for you in the fridge. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
"Heat it up in the microwave, and you can have it on the way." | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
She literally, like, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
wolfed a whole plate of pasta down from the top of the steps to the | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
bottom of the steps, and left the bowl at the bottom, and said, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
"I'll leave it here, then we'll take it up later when we come." | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
I locked the door, Jo and Fazila were walking up the marketplace, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
and I just watched them, and thought | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
how sweet they looked, chatting away, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
and Jo tip-topping along in her high heels. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
And then we just got in the car to go to the surgery. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
He's constantly looking down towards the library, and certainly, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
on one occasion, he makes his way across, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
as if heading down towards the library. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
My view there is, it's a potential false call, if you like. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
That something's drawn his attention, potentially | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
a vehicle arriving that contained Jo Cox, and then, clearly, | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
he turns around and comes back to his vantage point | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
at the side of the bus stop. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
Birstall is quite a small little village, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
and it's got quite limited parking, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
and very rarely do we find parking outside the library. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
But it just so happened that day there were two parking spots, and I, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
sort of, even commented and said, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
"Oh, look, we've found a parking spot right where we want it!" | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
Jo jumped out, and Sandra got out, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
and Jo sort of walked behind my car towards the pavement, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
towards where Sandra was. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
I saw a man coming towards us. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
And he just, erm... | 0:31:48 | 0:31:49 | |
..shot Jo in the head. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
Just like that. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
He didn't speak a word, didn't say anything. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
Just walked down the road and shot Jo. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
I heard a loud bang, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
"Oh, dear, what were that?" | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
So I stood up and went to the door. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
I was a bit shocked. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
At first, I had this irrational thought | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
that it was some sort of publicity stunt about Brexit. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
Just for a moment, I thought it couldn't be real. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
It was surreal. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:27 | |
The gun seemed like it wasn't a real gun. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
It sounded like a starting pistol or something. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
And then Jo fell back on the floor, and... | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
erm, and I saw that there was blood. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
And then, while she was on the floor, he started stabbing her. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
I saw this bloke with a knife, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
stabbing someone, so I went back into the library | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
and I said to anybody who'd listen, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
"Call the police, quick, call the police." | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
I was trying to swing at him with my handbag, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
unfortunately, I didn't, sort of, catch him. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
And at that point, he pulled the knife out again, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
and sort of went towards me, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
and I sort of moved back towards the car then. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
We were just shouting at him, and screaming, and... | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
There wasn't really a right lot else we could do. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
Bernard Kenny sees the commotion, and goes to the scene, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
effectively to try and jump on Mair's back. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
However, before he gets there, Mair turns to face him, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
and without thought, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
plunges a knife directly into his abdomen. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
I could see, in the corner of my eye, that he was coming back. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
I mean, all I could do was say, "Jo, please get up. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
"Think of Lejla and Cuillin," you know, "Just think of the kids, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
"and please get up, please move." | 0:33:46 | 0:33:47 | |
And she was saying, "Fazila, I can't move, I'm hurt." | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
She shouted out to me and Fazila, and she said, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
"Get away, get away, you two. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
"Don't let him hurt you, let him hurt me." | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
He came back, went to his bag, and got a gun out. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
He stood over Jo, just straddled her, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
and aimed it straight to the head. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
And shot her in the head. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:11 | |
Then he stepped back, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
cocked his gun, and shot her in the midriff. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
As he'd done that, he stood up and very calmly just said, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
"That's for Britain first. Britain will always be first. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
"Britain first!" And walked off. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
He were just so calm, and... | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
Not even... | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
..concerned. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
My whole focus was making sure that Jo wasn't on her own. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
Obviously, she was in my arms, and, um... | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
Sorry. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:49 | |
Yeah, she just... I just had her in my arms, and | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
obviously, there was a lot, a lot of blood. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
erm, and... | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
I just made sure that I stayed with her. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
It did seem like a long time till the ambulance came. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
It did seem like...a long time. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
Like an eternity. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
I got a call from somebody in Jo's team, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
who told me that Jo had been attacked. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
I sort of ran into the station, just thinking, you know, just... | 0:35:35 | 0:35:41 | |
"Just be OK." | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
And, you know, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
"If you're hurt, you're injured, that's fine. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
"We'll pull you back together, we'll look after you, it'll be fine. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
"Just don't... Just don't die." | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
'Hello, yes, he's shooting everybody.' | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
-'Who's shooting everybody? -The gunman. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
'He's got a black bag in his hand. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
'He's got a black bag in his hand? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
'He's got a white cap on. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
'He's walking now towards... If you get the helicopter, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
'he's walking towards Huddersfield Road. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
'He's walking towards Huddersfield Road? | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
'Near The Vaults pub.' | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
Thomas Mair turns onto John Nelson Close, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
where he basically walks into the rear garden of a property | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
which was quite heavily overgrown, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
where he makes efforts to change his appearance. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
Basically, removed his outer clothing, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
so he's now wearing a grey T-shirt, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
and the black hat. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
The overcoat was discarded, was forensically examined, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
and contained blood of Jo Cox. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
He discharges the spent cartridge in that garden, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
and reloads the firearm, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
placing that back in the bag, with the safety catch off, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
effectively ready to fire again. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
So having done that, he has then jumped back over the fence, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
and comes, re-emerges out of the side of The Vaults pub. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
-'I can see him again. -You can see him again? | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
-'Looks like he's taken his hat off. -Taken his cap off? -Yes. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
'He's got a black baseball cap, he's changed it from a white one | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
-'to a black one. -And he's walking up where, love? -Roundhill Road, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
'which is up from Floyd Lane. If you get the police car to the top | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
'of there, when he gets to the bottom, you'll catch him. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
I've got a marauding terrorist, at loose. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
I didn't know if this individual was now shooting other people, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
stabbing other people in the streets and the area. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
We got told by the control room that | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
the suspect still had a gun, and to proceed with caution. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
I see a gentleman, and he matched the description. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
I just started running towards him. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
He's put his hands towards his shirt. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
I thought he was going for something in his waistband. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
And, um.... | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
I just rugby tackled him then to the floor. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
Did he anticipate that the officers | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
who would engage with him would be firearms officers? | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
We see, particularly in the States, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
we see this phenomena called suicide by cop. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
Was that what he anticipated those two officers were going to do | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
to him? Was he intending to die in a blaze of glory, shot by the police? | 0:38:18 | 0:38:24 | |
If that was his intention, unluckily for him, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
he was challenged by unarmed officers. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
I started searching him. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
I pulled out a bag of bullets. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
I said, "Where's the gun?" | 0:38:36 | 0:38:37 | |
And he said, "It's in the bag." | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
I think Johnny had gone off to get a first-aid kit, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
once we'd found that he had a bump on his head. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
And he said to me, "I'm a political activist." | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
He wasn't the typical criminal I'd come across. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
He was fairly quietly spoken, wasn't angry towards us. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
He was fairly respectful to us. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:02 | |
He was just very calm, very placid, very peaceful, really, I guess. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:11 | |
I was one of the first senior police officers that arrived at the scene. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
There was a real palpable sense | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
that something really horrific had occurred. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
Jo had sustained three gunshot wounds about the head, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
and 13 stab wounds. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
Many of which punctured her heart, her lungs, and her liver. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
And on her left hand, there was a through-and-through injury. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
Which is consistent with, you know, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
effectively holding her hand up to protect herself. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
Basically, an injury through her hand into her head. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
He is strong, he is savage, it's a brutal attack. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
He is going to kill her. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
There is nothing going to stop him from doing so. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
There's rage. There's real rage. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
She didn't stand a chance. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
'Just before one o'clock today, Jo Cox, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
'MP for Batley and Spen borough was attacked in Market Street, Birstall. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:23 | |
'I am now very sad to have to report | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
'that she has died as a result of her injuries.' | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
When I were at the police station, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
I just said, "Have you heard anything?" | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
And he just said, "She didn't make it." | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
So then I knew she were dead. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
You literally feel your heart breaking. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
And it is, it's a physical manifestation of grief. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
I've never known anything like it. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:55 | |
I thought I'd been upset before, I thought I'd been sad before, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
there's absolutely no comparison to something like this. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
It is utterly debilitating when it hits you. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
The next step was all about, how do you tell your kids? | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
I mean, I was very much in shock. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
But moved very quickly into the practicalities | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
of, how do I do Jo proud... | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
..in... | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
..in making sure that the kids are OK? | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
So, yeah. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
KIDS: # You can hop, you can skip | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
# But don't stop, stop, stop | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
# Put your best foot forward... # | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
OFFICER: I was very interested in finding out all about Thomas Mair. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:07 | |
You know, immediately upon his arrest, the first question | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
I asked was, "Well, who is he? What do we know about him?" | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
Somebody does a check on the police national computer, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
and we've never heard of Thomas Mair. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:15 | |
I mean, the question is, always, why? | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
Of course, his psychiatric history, for me, is very important. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:26 | |
The doctor who had seen him at the police station hadn't diagnosed him | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
with any significant mental illness | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
and said he is fit to be interviewed, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
he understands what's going on. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
-MALE OFFICER: -You're here for two very serious offences - | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
murder... | 0:42:44 | 0:42:45 | |
..and attempted murder. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
It's murder of an MP, going about her business, and attempted murder | 0:42:50 | 0:42:55 | |
of an elderly gentleman who comes to assist her. | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
The MP's been shot and stabbed. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
A number of times. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
And the elderly gentleman... | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
..has been stabbed. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
That's why you've been arrested. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
And that's why you're being interviewed. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
And you're choosing to sit there, and say nothing at all. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:26 | |
Which is your right. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
However... | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
..their families, they want to know what's gone on. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:37 | |
Are you prepared to give them anything as to why? | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
That's what we're thinking - why? | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
It's not uncommon for the police to sit in an interview room and listen | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
to somebody saying, "No comment." | 0:44:01 | 0:44:02 | |
But it is uncommon for us to sit and listen to somebody saying nothing, | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
and he just, simply, didn't react to anything. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
-FEMALE OFFICER: -Can you see that - that people want to know | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
why you've done it? | 0:44:14 | 0:44:15 | |
And this is your opportunity now, to tell us that. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
So that we can make sense of it. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:31 | |
His interview, in total, possibly six hours, I think it was, | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
off the top of my head. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:38 | |
-What did he say in that time? -Absolutely nothing. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
The gun that was used is a .22 rim-fire rifle. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
Generally used in the pest control world. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
It was stolen in August 2015. | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
It has passed, I would presume, through a number of hands, | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
before it's got to Thomas Mair, | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
through the criminal fraternity. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
I'd taken that firearm to bits, but we found no DNA, fingerprints, | 0:45:09 | 0:45:13 | |
or any traces of anybody else. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
So, acquiring a firearm for a criminal purpose is not easy, | 0:45:17 | 0:45:22 | |
unless you are a criminal yourself, and you know how to get one. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
As an adult male, in the 21st century, he is, like all of us, | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
an owner of a mobile telephone. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
But in three years, has sent three texts. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
And there is no call data. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
So he's not somebody who is immersed in criminality, making calls, | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
wheeling and dealing, trying to get himself a firearm. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
That begs the question, how on earth did you, Thomas Mair, get that gun? | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
It's an active line of inquiry, and | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
I will not rest until I find out how he got that gun. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:58 | |
The place he had been to immediately before killing Jo | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
was his home address. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
We found lots of literature, books, magazines, | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
that all seemed to link back to the far right. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
The Third Reich eagle... | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
..mail order-catalogues and brochures. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
A lot of that material goes back as far as the early '90s. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
Lever-arch folder, and within that | 0:46:30 | 0:46:32 | |
there were news clippings of Anders Breivik, | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
and other terrorist atrocities. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
Also, Wikipedia pages of Jo Cox. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
Thomas Mair's life meant that nobody else ever went to his home. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:52 | |
Nobody was able to say, | 0:46:52 | 0:46:53 | |
"Blimey, Thomas, this is a little bit unhealthy." | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
What are your political views? | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
You say you're a political activist. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
There's chance for you now to tell me. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
Tell me about your politics. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
We know he stood above Jo as he was murdering her, and shouted, | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
"Britain first." | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
We asked him what he meant by it, and we didn't get an answer. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
And so, an immediate line of inquiry was, right, | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
let's get into Britain First and find out, is he a member of yours? | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
-Britain First! -Fighting back! | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
-Britain First! -Fighting back! | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
But, no, he wasn't a member of Britain First. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:33 | |
It's simply the case that Thomas Mair just could not have coped | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
with a Britain First meeting. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
He wouldn't have wanted to be in the company | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
of a large number of other people. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
He just wouldn't have been able to function. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:49 | |
He's never been linked to any other far-right organisations | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
in this country. There is no evidence at all | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
to support the fact that he's been on any marches, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
part of the EDL, part of the National Front, | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
part of Britain First. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:07 | |
So his own views and his own beliefs have been kept private. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:13 | |
"..110 years after the birth of the great one, Adolf Hitler, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:24 | |
"the dream of a white world finally became certainty, | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
"and it was the sacrifice of the lives of uncounted thousands | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
"of brave men and women | 0:48:31 | 0:48:32 | |
"of the organisation which had kept that dream alive | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
"until its realisation could no longer be denied..." | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
Well, this, weirdly enough, | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
is one of the books that Thomas Mair had on his own shelves. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
Of course, I wrote it in order to | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
help academics understand fascism, | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
he obviously bought it because he was actually fascinated | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
by the texts that I'd put together in this volume, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
all of which are written by fascists. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
"As a cleansing hurricane of change swept over the continent, | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
"clearing away, in a few months, | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
"the refuse of a millennium or more of alien ideology, | 0:49:07 | 0:49:12 | |
"and a century or more of profound moral and material decadence. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:17 | |
"The blood flowed ankle-deep in the streets..." | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
This bookcase really has the function of a shrine. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
We are looking here, not at academic books, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
we are looking at sacred texts. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
This is really high-grade literature, | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
some of which is archival stuff. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:38 | |
Stuff difficult to get hold of. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
What fascism allowed Thomas Mair to feel, | 0:49:43 | 0:49:48 | |
when he was soaking himself in this literature, | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
was that his wormlike, | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
small, dysfunctional existence | 0:49:55 | 0:49:57 | |
was actually part of something much greater, which would outlive him. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
Thomas Mair could feel, that in that moment, when he killed Jo Cox, | 0:50:02 | 0:50:07 | |
he gained immortality for himself. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
REPORTER: 'Thomas Mair was swept | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
'into the court building in a police van, | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
'part of a convoy that had brought him from Yorkshire to this, | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
'the most important Magistrates' Court in London.' | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
Looking at Thomas Mair from the minute he stepped into the box, | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
it was evident that he had something on his mind. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
He was asked to give his name. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
The magistrate was shocked by what she'd heard, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
and couldn't understand exactly what he'd said. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
So he repeated it. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
REPORTER: ' "My name is Death To Traitors, Freedom For Britain." ' | 0:50:40 | 0:50:45 | |
He's saying, "I am killing the race traitors. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
"I am killing the soft, left-wing, liberal, cosmopolitan, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:52 | |
"foreigner-lovers, who have created this situation. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:57 | |
"It's not the fault of the Pakistanis or the Romanians | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
"that they are here, it's the fault of the liberal elite, | 0:51:00 | 0:51:04 | |
"that welcome the free movement of peoples, | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
"and the mixing up of cultures, | 0:51:07 | 0:51:08 | |
"which is destroying everything that is good about the human race, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:12 | |
"which is its whiteness." | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
Even now, I don't think I'll ever be able to reconcile it. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:25 | |
There was never any indication that he was racist in any way. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
Because the Tom that I knew was so kind, considerate, caring. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:37 | |
I'm quite sad that Tom didn't feel as though he could trust me, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
or come and talk to me about it. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:42 | |
And I wish he could, because I would have tried to help him, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
in any way that I could have done. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
I wish I'd spent more time talking to him on the Friday. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
And I wish we'd talked about more personal stuff, but then again, | 0:51:56 | 0:52:00 | |
you can't give that attention to everybody. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
-PROFESSOR GRIFFIN: -What it demonstrates to me | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
is something that I found in all the other cases of terrorism | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
by lone wolves, so-called, that have been well documented, | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
is that nobody is ever completely a terrorist. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
He seems to have developed a complex personality, made up of two | 0:52:18 | 0:52:23 | |
almost separate people. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
Domestically, he remained a loner, a recluse, | 0:52:26 | 0:52:31 | |
he didn't have intimate relationships or friendships | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
with people. And that was his base personality. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
But what he obviously did, as well, | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
and this is really quite extraordinary, | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
is that he created another personality, | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
who was a really complete fascist, Nazi racist. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:48 | |
At a certain crucial point, the fascist self took over, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:53 | |
then there was violence on the agenda. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
'Repeatedly stabbed and shot three times, | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
'in a killing which led to the suspension of campaigning | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
'in the EU referendum.' | 0:53:03 | 0:53:04 | |
'Tributes keep coming, so too do the accusations.' | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
'The paper says its polling shows the tragic murder of the Labour MP | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
'Jo Cox shifted opinions against Brexit.' | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
The Remain camp are using these awful circumstances to try to say | 0:53:14 | 0:53:19 | |
that the motives of one deranged, dangerous individual, | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
were similar of half the country, perhaps more, | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
-who believe that we should leave the EU... -Who's saying that? | 0:53:26 | 0:53:30 | |
She will live on through all the good people in the world. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:39 | |
Through Brendan, through us... | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
..and through her truly wonderful children, who will always know | 0:53:45 | 0:53:49 | |
what an utterly amazing woman their mother was. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:54 | |
She was a human being, and she was perfect. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
-CHILD: -Let's lift it up. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
The devastation I feel for the children, | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
there's no words to describe how horrendous that is. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
But actually, what makes me more sad than anything is what Jo will miss. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:13 | |
The first time they do this, or the first time they do that, | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
you know, | 0:54:16 | 0:54:17 | |
and that a mum should be a part of. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
That's by far the worst, the worst part of everything that's happened. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:27 | |
Amazing and deeply touching as all of this is, | 0:54:32 | 0:54:36 | |
I wish I wasn't here today. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
I'd rather be... | 0:54:38 | 0:54:40 | |
I'd rather be with Jo. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
We try to remember not how cruelly she's been taken from us, | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
but how unbelievably lucky we were | 0:54:49 | 0:54:51 | |
to have her in our lives for so long. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
'The tensions, and the rhetoric | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
'about the country being at breaking point | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
'probably contributed to an atmosphere in which extreme people | 0:55:01 | 0:55:06 | |
'are more likely to do extreme things.' | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
I think it's very sad | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
that he was so consumed with hatred that he's destroyed his own life as | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
well as Jo's... | 0:55:17 | 0:55:18 | |
That he, you know, tried to do something to silence Jo, | 0:55:20 | 0:55:24 | |
but has, instead, | 0:55:24 | 0:55:25 | |
given her a much bigger voice, a much louder platform. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
Jo's killing was political. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
It was an act of terror designed to advance | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
an agenda of hatred towards others. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
-DAVID CAMERON: -The British people have voted | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
to leave the European Union, and their will must be respected. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
BORIS JOHNSON: They have decided | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
that it is time to vote to take back control. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
-NIGEL FARAGE: -Let June the 23rd | 0:55:52 | 0:55:55 | |
go down in our history as our Independence Day! | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
CHEERING | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
Brexit did play a part. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
The country was divided, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
so that played a part in tensions within the community. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
But Thomas Mair's a terrorist, there's no doubt about it. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
His target was a political figure. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
But is he different to other terrorists, | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
from other organisations that we see? | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
Why do young Muslim men and women take themselves out of society, | 0:56:29 | 0:56:35 | |
travel via western countries to Syria, and join Isil? | 0:56:35 | 0:56:40 | |
Why do they do that? Because they feel disenfranchised, in many ways. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:44 | |
Because, in many ways, they are brainwashed. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
But there are comparisons and similarities between what they do, | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
and what Thomas Mair ultimately did, | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
and how became associated with his cause, and what he was engaged with. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
So, although they are poles apart, | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
actually, they are very similar in many, many ways. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
What are we doing as a society to engage with people like that? | 0:57:07 | 0:57:12 | |
And I suppose it's sad that if you are not interested, | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
or you are not able to interact... | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
..that you can be left to your own devices, to such an extent. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 |