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This programme contains some strong language. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
This is about a manipulation of people who can't get money anywhere | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
else, who can't go out to a bank or building society and | 0:00:16 | 0:00:21 | |
get a legitimate loan. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
So, they are going to the loan shark, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
the unlicensed lender, and the lenders are taking advantage | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
of these people. It becomes a never-ending debt, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
until something happens where that cycle gets broken. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
More and more people are turning to loan sharks... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
A crackdown's been promised on loan sharks... | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
..with exorbitant rates of interest and threats of violence | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
if they don't pay up. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:46 | |
..lent the family £500 and then forced them to repay £88,000. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
..extortionate interest rates, threats and violence. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
Moneylending is big news and big business. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
The current public demand for quick cash has seen the dramatic rise | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
of high street moneylenders, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
but away from the high street lie the unscrupulous loan sharks. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
Their loans are far from cheap and are costing people dearly. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
They're in your pubs, your betting offices. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
They wait at the school gates. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
Sometimes people are struggling that much that they have to turn to them. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
But who are they? | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
'I'm going to make fucking sure you fucking pay me.' | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
How do they operate? | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
People have been kidnapped off the street and then tortured. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
What is the human cost? | 0:01:30 | 0:01:31 | |
I've thought about jumping off of road bridges. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
The easiest thing to do is end your life. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
And what can be done to stop it? | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
Can we come inside your house, please? | 0:01:38 | 0:01:39 | |
Supported by the police on the front line of the battle to take down | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
illegal moneylenders is a small, national, dedicated unit, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
called the England Illegal Money Lending Team. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
Jacqui Kennedy has been with Birmingham City Council all her working life. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
12 years ago, she was convinced that loan sharks were plaguing vulnerable | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
communities in her home city, so she set out to build a team within | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
Trading Standards with a simple mission. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
The objectives were clear, really - | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
find out if there are any loan sharks out there, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
and if there are any, prosecute them. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
The team highlighted such a widespread problem that the project | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
has since gone national. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
I think there's a misconception about what loan sharks are. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
They're not your payday lenders. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:34 | |
They're not your high-interest lenders. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
They're people who are completely unregulated. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
They'll lend you money, but you don't have any paperwork. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
You don't necessarily...you won't even know how much you have | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
to pay back and they can't get the | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
money back from you through legal means and that's where it all goes | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
wrong. That is where they just use intimidation, violence, threats, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
whatever it takes to get the money back. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
If you've got no help anywhere else, | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
I think loan sharks do provide a service. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
At the end of the day, people around here borrow money because they're | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
desperate for it. Some might borrow for their next meal. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
If you've got kids and you didn't get paid one day from the Jobcentre | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
cos they didn't pay you or something, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
how else are you going to feed your kids? | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
Not a normal person like us. We can't get a loan from the bank. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
Do you know what I mean? | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
It's quite easy to find a loan shark anywhere, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
especially on estates like this. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
Go into the pubs and they'll be over to you, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
practically pushing the money into your hand. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
I think a lot of people don't tell people that they're involved in a | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
loan shark because of the fear of what they could do to you and your family. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
The name "loan shark" has been bandied about willy-nilly and it may | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
detract from the sort of people that are here displayed on the board | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
behind me because THESE are loan sharks. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
They're not a community service. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
They're thugs and criminals. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
'You've got till 12 o'clock, otherwise, girls, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
'them fucking fellas are coming through your fucking door!' | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
This is where we put evidence. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
These are some of the tools of the trade, if you like, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
that we've seen in previous cases. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
Parsons, Weaver, Weaver and Young was a gang that tended to prey on | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
young women, single mums. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
They would send you a text saying, "If you don't pay, I'll end you." | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
"If you don't pay, I'll snap your jaw." | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
"One, two, Money's coming for you." | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
That's a threat. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:29 | |
You receive that sort of message on your mobile phone, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
that would frighten you to death. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
It's all about, you know, portraying to everybody in that community, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
"You just don't mess with me, and if you do mess with me, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
"there's going to be trouble." | 0:04:41 | 0:04:42 | |
Mother of three Carol Highton paid the ultimate price | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
when her son Brian got involved with a predatory loan shark, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
who had over 1,200 customers on his books. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
Today, what I want to do is actually share a story and it is a very sad | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
story and it's a very real, true story that happened to my family. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:06 | |
My son told us about a friend of his. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
Now, this friend was in debt. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
He'd borrowed £300 off a loan shark. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
In the space of a few weeks, it had gone right up to £3,400 | 0:05:14 | 0:05:22 | |
and there were threats being made. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
The threats were that they were going to rape | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
this young man's sister, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:27 | |
they were going to shoot his mum, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
they were going to go through his home. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
I did ask, "Did he go to the police?" | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
And Brian, being Brian, said, "You don't go the bizzies, Mam. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
"It makes things much worse. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:39 | |
"You don't know what you're talking about." | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Well, then, when I think back, I realised. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
Brian wasn't talking about no friend of his. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
He was talking about himself. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
On 3rd December, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:51 | |
I never could have imagined that I was going to walk into my home | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
and find what we did. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
I went up the stairs and just seen my son and he was in... | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
I got to the top of the landing and there's my son, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
hanging from a belt from the attic in my bathroom. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:11 | |
Just... | 0:06:12 | 0:06:13 | |
Oh... | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
Just... Oh, God. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
Never in a million years would my big, strong, handsome, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
caring boy have just taken his life willy-nilly like that. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
And what he must have been is scared for his family, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
cos the threats which were made were very real indeed. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
Paul Nicholson saw himself as the most powerful guy on the estate and | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
a whole community couldn't breathe because of it. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
He's serving a sentence, for the protection of the public, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
an indefinite sentence. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
We estimated he made about £4.8 million. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
He was living this footballer's lifestyle. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
That was all on the backs of people who could least afford it. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
He had a number of collectors that used to collect the money each week, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
but he would go and enforce the debt. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
He went as far as to rape somebody and that was for a small debt. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
Brian took his life just six weeks after taking the loan from Nicholson. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
Afterwards, Carol became one of the team's most powerful advocates. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
She works tirelessly to spread the message in her local community, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
encouraging others to come forward and share their stories. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
I do what I do because I'm not afraid of these people. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
The reason I'm not afraid is they've done the worst thing already to me. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
There's nothing else that can touch me. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
I've had families sat in front of me pouring their hearts out, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
telling me what they've done to them, you know, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
beating them up or following them. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
A two-year-old child dangled over a balcony. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
You've got something like that happening to you, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
you're not going to put a foot wrong. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
You're going to do whatever they ask you to do. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
This problem is massive. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:01 | |
It's everywhere. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
Today, the team is in Stoke, where, last year, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
10,000 people turned to food banks to feed their families. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
This level of desperation makes people easy prey for loan sharks. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
The investigators are working with the local police force | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
to serve a warrant to raid a | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
suspected loan shark's house, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:27 | |
who targets taxi drivers. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
It's suspected that he goes around in a black cab Hackney carriage | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
collecting from his various borrowers. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
Now, the informant's told us that he carries an iron bar down the side of | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
the seat should it need to be used, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
but he's not indicated that it's been kind of shown to him | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
or anything else. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:45 | |
The team faces possible reprisals from the criminals they put away, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
so their identities need to remain secret. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
So, this is a crucial moment now and fundamental to the success of the | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
operation in how we approach this. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
It's about establishing control and locking down those premises | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
as quickly and efficiently and quietly as possible. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
We will ask key questions in that early stage of taking control, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
about where are your mobile phones, we want PIN numbers. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
If there's any significant amounts of cash located on the premises | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
and the police and our embedded officers and the lead officer will | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
be generally getting the house and immediate location under control, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
obviously without trying to attract too much attention from other people. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
Here we go. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
Morning. Hiya, is it Abdul? | 0:09:34 | 0:09:35 | |
-Er, no. -No? Can I come inside? I'm from the police, mate. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
I'm from the National Illegal Money Lending Team. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
-OK? -Yes. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:49 | |
Basically, we've had an allegation that you've been lending money out | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
and collecting it back with interest, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
so we've got a warrant to search the premises today. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
OK? | 0:09:57 | 0:09:58 | |
So, what's going to happen is I'm arresting you on suspicion of | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
illegal moneylending and money laundering. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
not mention, when questioned, something which you later rely on in court. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
Anything you do say may be given in evidence. Do you understand that? | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
The suspect is in no doubt or misunderstanding about the fact | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
he is under arrest. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:15 | |
His liberty's been taken away and he'll be detained in custody to go | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
through the interview process later on today and I am pretty confident | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
that we'll release him on bail pending further inquiries, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
which is the normal procedure we would follow. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
This is the entry video for Operation Unimac. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
What we now do is we ensure that we video the property. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
That is for a number of reasons. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
One is about the security of my staff in terms of | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
any future allegations of damage or theft or anything like that, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
which has happened in the past, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
but also, importantly, to secure a visual image for the court, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
should we end up prosecuting this person and we would do what we call | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
a "video of significant find" if that's the case - | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
cash under floorboards, tucked away in cupboards, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
phones or SIM cards that may be hidden. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
Part of that process is we number all of the rooms and locations in the premises. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:10 | |
Room ten. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:11 | |
In a jacket | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
inside pocket... | 0:11:16 | 0:11:17 | |
..there's an envelope... | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
..and there is... | 0:11:23 | 0:11:24 | |
..cash inside. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:26 | |
We are finding significant amounts of cash secreted in jacket pockets | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
and so forth in one of the bedrooms, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
predominantly in large bundles of £50 notes and £20 notes, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
which is quite significant to us, as it's an early, strong indication | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
that it's the profit from some other activity - | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
we suspect providing unlicensed loans. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
Inside the pockets and we have got two wads of cash. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
We never count it at the premises. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
It's always double-bagged and sealed | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
and then is counted under video conditions. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
About 7,000. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:01 | |
One of the most important things is to secure the mobile phones. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
People will do things like eating their SIM cards | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
or just trying to throw them away. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
Down there is a bank bag with £20 notes and other notes inside. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
Bearing in mind, this man, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:24 | |
there's evidence in this house that he hasn't paid any of his standard | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
bills that we're all expected to pay and he's receiving additional | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
benefits, you wouldn't expect to find multi-thousand pounds | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
tucked away in clothing in the bedroom or stuffed down | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
the side of the settee. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
It's just not normal. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:39 | |
More cash there, mate. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
Right, we've got wage slips there. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:45 | |
He's earning £97.28 a week. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
I'll bet! | 0:12:52 | 0:12:53 | |
And he's got about ten grand in his house. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
That's fantastic savings, isn't it? | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
Wish I was that good with money. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:58 | |
How many other people around here have got ten grand stuffed away | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
in their bedrooms and what have you? | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
Not many. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:04 | |
I would like to think that the public think we are providing | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
a positive and worthwhile service. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:09 | |
One thing that does bug people are other people who make good, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
ready cash and don't pay their bills like everybody else has to do. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
The public will say, "Right, well, that's a good service. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
"If they're making people face up to the reality like I'm having to do, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
"then that's a good thing because we're all in it together | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
"at the moment, aren't we, as a nation." | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
The team has brought so many violent criminals to justice that they need | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
to operate from a hidden location in Birmingham. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
Their work even remains a secret to the other tenants | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
who share their building. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
Loan shark team, Jenny Cook speaking. How may I help you? | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
Morning, everybody. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
Morning, boss. How are you? | 0:13:47 | 0:13:48 | |
The day begins... | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
Tony has led the team since it started. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
His daily challenge is to manage the department's limited resources at a | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
time when the scale of the problem is increasing. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
I've got 60 officers to cover the whole of England. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
That includes my support team, you know, my administration, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
my investigators and my liaise team and it's not a huge amount. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:15 | |
So, what are the nature of the threats, then? | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
Have we got evidence to say the threats aren't just verbal, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
there is actual substance behind them? | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
The officers are away from their homes sometimes three, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
four days a week investigating loan shark operations and they do it | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
in very difficult circumstances sometimes. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
Hello, Trading Standards. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
Our mission is to identify loan sharks and to bring them to justice. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
It's to support people who are at their most vulnerable. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
Ta-ta, mate. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
Normally, people will use a loan shark as a last resort | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
because, erm, something's happened. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
Whatever it may be, you know, they may have lost their job. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
They just think, "If I can see my way through for the next few days, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
"couple of weeks, then, effectively, I can get out of this trouble." | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
The debts get worse because the loan shark just applies | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
more and more pressure. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:02 | |
Some of the interest rates, the APRs, that we can quote, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
go into the hundreds of thousands of percent. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
You know, we've had instances where you go through the loan books and | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
you just see the bill being doubled. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
They apply that many charges that, effectively, you can never pay it back. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
I'm going to play you a clip now. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
What we're looking at here is how a loan shark | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
can affect somebody's life. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:33 | |
And that just continues and continues and continues. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
It must be dreadful to wake up every day thinking, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
"I haven't got enough money to pay the loan shark," | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
and to get calls like that just to add to that feeling of dread. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
Can you just explain a little bit about the situation? | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
How did your mum get to meet this person? | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
Basically, we've got an intel unit, which is at the far end of the room, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
and they will build on any intelligence that comes in, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
to the point where we can carry out a warrant. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
Do you know roughly, over time, the total that she's paid back up to now? | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
There are two teams out executing warrants, seizing evidence, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
effecting arrests. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
We've done three this week, so that tells you how successful we can be | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
at it - and that can be from information that was quite scant. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
From our point of view, knowledge is power. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
Information comes from the hotline or via Twitter or Facebook. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
The hotline is open 24/7 and we've been known to have phone calls | 0:16:59 | 0:17:04 | |
in the middle of the night, sort of two, three o'clock in the morning, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
cos that's when someone can be at their lowest ebb. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
Some people have borrowed money, obviously, because they've got | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
bills to pay and they're at the end of their tether financially, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
but I've heard stories of other people who've borrowed money | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
to buy a dog, say. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
So, everybody's story's different, but, no matter how it starts, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
it always ends the same. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
This is the cash count for Operation Unimac. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
This is four lots of cash that was seized this morning. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:49 | |
So, we'll do a bullet-point debrief now of the morning warrant, please. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
You had a conversation with an individual who's willing to assist | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
and they've given a snippet of information. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
Yeah. Basically, they're saying that he's not the only lender. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
There are other people in the syndicate lending money out and he | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
says that our suspect lends money out at casinos, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
so a lot of taxi drivers go there, they gamble. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
When they lose money, he's there waiting with ready cash. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
The way it works is they borrow, say, £100 and they pay double back. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
Every time, he charges double on every amount that he lends out. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
Has it been a success? Yes, I think so. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
Now we go into the post-arrest stage of enquiries to build up a case. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
If there is a case to answer and if we then decide to charge this | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
individual, we then look to prepare the case for prosecution at court. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
Grand total of £13,800. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
At the moment, it's all looking good and I think we're on course | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
for a prosecution. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:56 | |
Cath is travelling to Birkenhead in the Wirral. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
She manages the team that deals directly with the victims. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
The district recently had an unemployment rate | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
double the national average. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:08 | |
Cath spends up to four days a week travelling to some of the most | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
deprived areas in the country to meet victims. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
We're primarily victim and witness support - | 0:19:15 | 0:19:16 | |
that's the bread-and-butter bit of our role - | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
and then also we try and prevent people going to loan sharks. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
That's our aim in life, if you like. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
So, it's about trying to get information to communities through | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
the press, do whatever else we can do to make sure they know we exist | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
and that support is available. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
She's here to help a housing association who've noticed | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
a suspicious spike in the level of rent arrears amongst their tenants. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
If you've got a loan shark operating on one of your estates and | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
you're a housing association, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:43 | |
I pretty much guarantee your rent arrears will go through the roof, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
cos people will pay the loan shark before paying the rent | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
because of the fear factor. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
So, they want to join in the fight, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:51 | |
they want to help us identify them and get them removed from the areas | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
that they work in. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
What we want to do is give the front-line staff the tools and | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
the knowledge to be able to talk to people about loan sharks. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
The question we always get asked, "How many loan sharks are there?" | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
I bet I get asked that today and the honest answer is we don't know | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
because they're not registered. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:09 | |
It's like asking how many drug dealers are there. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
If I could do any job, I'd be on the stage, so this is as close as I get. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
So, basically we're going to look at what is a loan shark, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
who we are and what we can do about it, basically. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
There's quite a lot of media, you're probably aware at the moment, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
about legal loan sharks, in inverted commas. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
It's a phrase that drives me mad. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:28 | |
It's a bit like saying "legal burglar". | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
There are high-cost lenders, but they're not legal loan sharks. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
That really drives me mad, cos I think it blurs the line | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
for the public about what we're talking about a lot of the time. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
In this country, there is no cap on the interest rate you want to charge | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
as a business. If you want to charge 1,000,000% interest, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
you are able to do so, as long as your paperwork is correct and | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
you advertise it right. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:48 | |
Last year, about 50% of our intelligence came from victims | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
themselves or from family and friends who were worried about them, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
and about 50% came from people like you guys, from partner agencies | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
who were working with someone and had concerns. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
The highest sentence you can get for illegal lending at the moment is | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
two years and/or a £5,000 fine. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
Cos what we want to do is show the court this isn't a technical offence. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
This isn't just someone lending money without a bit of paper. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
This is someone who's having a massive impact on that community | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
and needs to be stopped. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:15 | |
So, if, for example, a loan shark is demanding money with menaces, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
which is what they do day in, day out, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
we can charge them with blackmail. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
Five-year sentence for blackmail. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:24 | |
Much more like it. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
We've charged with counterfeit goods, we've charged with assault, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
kidnap, erm, rape - anything to show the extent of the criminality. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
I manage people who live and work all over England, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
so it can be the case sometimes that I'm in Newcastle one day | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
and Plymouth the next day. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
I don't have a typical week. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:48 | |
I think I've done this job five and a half years now, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
and I'm not bored and that's really unusual for me. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
I think the fact that it keeps evolving and keeps changing and | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
you never know what's going to happen next is part of the reason | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
that I'm still passionate about it and still interested in it. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
So, we're on our way to Hull. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
We're going to go past the beautiful Humber Bridge shortly and we're | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
going to meet a couple of people who borrowed from a loan shark | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
in the past who are willing to speak to you guys on camera. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
I love this bridge. I think it's beautiful. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
Pretending I'm in San Francisco! | 0:22:16 | 0:22:17 | |
Hull may have won the 2017 bid as the City of Culture, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
but its residents have the least amount of disposable income in the UK. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
Two victims became involved with the notorious loan shark Darren Wilson, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
who operated a criminal empire across the city. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
They've both asked not to be identified. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
INTERVIEWER: So, how did you get involved with Darren Wilson? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
Well, we'd been trying bank loans and stuff like that and | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
nobody would help out, so we heard from word of mouth about this person | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
who was lending money out so we just went with them. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
You take out these normal loans and the interest | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
they're charging and what he was charging, he was just, like, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
simpler to get a loan from, really. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
He never brought any paperwork with him. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:05 | |
You always used to pay him cash in hand. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
It'd start off small loans, about £75. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
We'd been paying constantly for quite a few years. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
The payments got higher and you were paying more back and if you didn't | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
pay him on time, he used to bring his heavies in with him, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
so you just had no choice but to pay him. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
When I met Darren, I thought he was just a normal, standard guy like us. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
But when you miss a payment, that's it, he changes. And he said, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
"By the end of the day, if you don't pay me, I'll knock your teeth out." | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
With Darren, it's a case of he's not bothered who you are, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
as long as he's getting paid. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
You couldn't sleep at night. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
Any bang, you never know if it's him at the door. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
You're just panicking all the time. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
I tried suicide. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:45 | |
That was probably the only way, I think, that was a way out for me. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
Wilson was described by the judge as somebody who was acting like a | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
gangster. He'd got nearly 500 loans out into the community. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
Over £200,000 he'd pushed out and you see, you know, things we found | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
in his house, like a machete and a knuckleduster. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
12 and a half years he's been sent to prison for - | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
conspiracy to commit murder, arson, illegal moneylending. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
I think until you've walked a mile in someone's shoes, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
you should never judge them. I think it's really difficult for people and | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
the problem is that the loan shark is such a plausible, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
friendly option at the time that why wouldn't you take it? | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
If someone said to me tonight, with payday still a couple of weeks away | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
just after Christmas, "Do you want a couple of hundred quid? | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
"Pay me back whenever," I'm not 100% sure, if I didn't do this job, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
that I'd turn them down. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
We averaged it out that most people probably have a loan of about £350. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
Some people might say, "Well, they had the loan. What do they expect?" | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
But we all make rash decisions at times and we all make mistakes, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
but why should you have to pay for that for the rest of your life | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
for one mistake? | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
The England Illegal Money Lending Team has its own legal department. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
who pursue loan sharks through the courts, headed up by Simon. | 0:24:55 | 0:25:00 | |
With 26 cases last year, he has a heavy and growing caseload. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
We were the first team to properly address the problem of illegal moneylending - | 0:25:04 | 0:25:11 | |
and illegal moneylending comes in many different forms. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
We have the classic loan sharks, who are violent towards their borrowers. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
Then there are the ones who simply threaten and then there are | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
the others, who simply don't have violence in their nature. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
We have more cases coming in from more diverse areas and so we do, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:31 | |
literally, travel the whole country. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
One worries about the community as a whole, wherever it be, because | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
it seems to me that there is a whole swathe of society out there | 0:25:41 | 0:25:46 | |
that isn't properly addressed in terms of the financial sector that, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
no matter how much you dress it up, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
they still need £50 at the end of August to go to a cheap shop | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
to buy school uniforms for their three kids. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
When loan sharks are prosecuted and convicted, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
I would imagine that some of the victims wring their hands with glee | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
at the fact that they don't have to pay the money back. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
People who have given statements, one obviously worries for them. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
One worries for people who have to give evidence. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
I was scared of reporting him. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:26 | |
I didn't want to report him, just in case he found out that I did it. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
INTERVIEWER: What do you think of the person that did report him? | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
Well, I'd just like to thank them, really, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
cos it's just got us out of a great big hole. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
There's many issues with victims coming forward. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
There's a massive fear of reprisals from the loan shark. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
There's a fear of reprisals from the community, in terms of being | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
labelled a grass. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
There's a fear of the unknown, in a way, of putting your head above the | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
parapet, and there's also a lack of knowledge. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
If people don't know this is a criminal offence and don't know | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
there is a team out there who can support them, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
then they're not going to report it. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:58 | |
I actually went to the police when I was dealing with it. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
I put in a statement to the police about it. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
Got home, rang the police up and withdrew my statement, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
because I was so scared of what would happen. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
Cath is supporting a victim who's been brave enough to come forward | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
and give evidence against a loan shark who trapped him in a | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
cycle of debt for three years. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
I would class myself as a very respectable person. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
I've never been in trouble or anything like that. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
I've worked all my life and as soon as you hit a bad spell, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
these people are there to prey on you. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:29 | |
It all started about three years ago. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
My wife became poorly, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
I had to give up work to look after her, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
and we found ourselves with no money. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
We tried the banks, we tried other places and no-one would touch me, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:46 | |
so, the only option you're left with is to go through to the illegal money thing. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
The first time I met him, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
he came across as somebody that wanted to be a friend, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
not just someone that's helping you. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:57 | |
The amounts I was borrowing got higher. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
It got up to, like, £100, maybe £200 a week. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
Then it got nasty, because we weren't paying back the exact amount | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
that we wanted from them, there was more interest added on. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
Threats started to be issued, that your windows would get put through. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
At times, there was spit coming out of his mouth when he was talking | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
to you and it just affected me so much. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
I sat down in my chair one morning with my phone in one hand, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
which had the details to ring the Illegal Money Lending Team, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
and a pile of pills on the other side and it was a toss-up which to do. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
There is always another option somewhere. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
If you can do without it, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:35 | |
stay away from them, cos they're nothing but poison. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
An undercover officer from the team is in Stockport, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
an area suffering from rising crime rates. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
We can see that it's a fairly close-knit estate. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
Lots of people know each other, so we have to be very sensitive to | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
how we're going to carry out the investigation. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
So, we want to get a full feel for where we're operating | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
and the potential risks that are involved. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
He's scouting a council estate after receiving intelligence | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
about a family-run gang suspected of illegal moneylending. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
It is a lockdown-type estate, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
managed, primarily, by one family. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
They have a total and utter grip, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
a grip managed by fear | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
and, where necessary, actual physical retribution. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
One of the key factors is the element of surprise when you're | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
conducting this sort of investigation, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
not only in terms of combating them as people because they've used | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
firearms or drugs or knives, for example, before, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
but also in terms of making sure we get the best chance | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
of securing the key evidence that we want. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
We have 46 people, all identified, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
all of whom we can demonstrate have had loans | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
and not one of them is prepared to make a witness statement. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
The people of this estate live in fear of repercussion. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
We have seen significant cases of violence, of injury, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
of broken bones, of assault and of damage to property and injuries | 0:30:20 | 0:30:26 | |
to pets as well, which is something which seems to be on the increase. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
Doing things like throwing liquid over the person in their premises | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
and claiming it's petrol and the next time, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
there'll be a match with it. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:38 | |
The impact on that individual and the family is huge | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
and can be really long-lasting. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
Whilst the bulk of it is just the perception by the individual victim, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
as I say, make no mistake about it, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
there are some people who do and will carry through their threats. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
The team now has enough evidence to launch a dawn raid | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
at two addresses on the estate. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
It's four o'clock in the morning. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
We're in convoy at the moment. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:13 | |
We're going to Cheadle Police Station. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
There's been massive preparation in respect of this and the interesting | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
thing is that we don't know what we're going to find this morning. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
It's always the unknown, this is. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:24 | |
We'll be executing a number of warrants in the Greater Manchester | 0:31:27 | 0:31:33 | |
area as part of Operation Oche. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
There are going to be significant numbers of police officers out on | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
this particular job and it will be a rapid entry. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:44 | |
Each and every one of you must make sure that you wear | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
your protective body armour. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
The intelligence gathered suggests there may be weapons | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
at the properties, so 40 armed police officers have been deployed | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
to assist them in executing the warrant. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
You just want to make sure that everything runs smoothly, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
that people are safe and that there are no incidents. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
That's what goes through your mind. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:08 | |
We have to consider not only the safety of the occupants, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
but we also have to consider the safety of the officers. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
It's just round the corner now. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:18 | |
A shout will go across the radio system and it has to all happen | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
at the same time, otherwise there's potential for word to get out and | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
people to start destroying evidence. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
You always get butterflies. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:37 | |
You don't know what you're going to find behind the door. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:32:46 | 0:32:47 | |
Police! Stay where you are! | 0:32:52 | 0:32:53 | |
Normally, by the time that we start conducting the search, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
everything is calm and safe. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
But, nevertheless, you do have concerns that once you go in, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
at that moment you don't know what you're going to expect, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
or how people are going to react. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
We all have access to a number of weapons. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:17 | |
We've all got kitchens, we've all got knives. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
Some people may have a history of firearms, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
some people may have a history of violence. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
Well, this morning's been a successful morning. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
We've executed the warrant and made a number of arrests and | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
it'll be further enquiries now, throughout the day. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
The officers are going through, systematically, each room. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
They'll be looking at documents, bits of paper, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
whatever it may be that they feel may be potential evidence. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
Paperwork, mobile phones, laptops are what we're looking for, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
particularly when it comes to any sort of written paperwork | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
that looks like a loan book. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
We won't have a true picture of what's gone on until | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
we get all of the documents back to the police station to sift through | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
and sort out what potential evidence there is. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
It's not just paperwork that can incriminate. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
Mobile phones are an essential part of evidence gathering | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
that can help secure a conviction. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
The forensic investigator is able to examine them | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
and unlock their secrets. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
One of the important aspects of any search is to recover the phones | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
that belong to the suspect. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
You may uncover text messages between suspect and victims, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
where they're demanding payment for loans given out, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
occasionally making threats. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
You may uncover other criminality. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
This reader will examine the SIM card. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
It will provide data relevant to that handset | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
and I would run a search. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:53 | |
Tap in something like "loan" to start with | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
and look to see how many times the word "loan" comes up. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
That then gives me a very quick indication of whether | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
this is a phone of a loan shark or not. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
The importance is achieving best evidence for us, really, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
and is to be able to take into an interview with a suspect | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
details of any conversations they may well have had with victims, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
via text messages, via chat or e-mail, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
which may well show criminality. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
Some loan sharks never impose any fear or intimidation. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:38 | |
It's all about the relationship, it's all about the rapport. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
You'll pay them because obviously you feel that they're | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
your best friend and they use that. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
"Oh, come on, I lent you the money when you had bad times." | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
They never talk about how they're ripping you off. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
Now, if they have to be nice to you to get you to pay those extortionate | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
amounts, then that's what they'll do. | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
If they have to be nasty to you, that's what they'll do. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
I put no divide between either/or. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
Many illegal money lenders feel they are simply doing someone a favour. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
If one is doing it occasionally, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
then it isn't an offence. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
If I lend you £10 on a Friday and you give me £10 back on Saturday, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
that's not an offence, obviously. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:24 | |
But it snowballs over and above friendship, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
over and above occasional to commercial. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
If I'm lending you £100 and you're giving me back £150, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
then that, quite simply, is commercial, in my view. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
If it quacks and got feathers and swims, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
it's probably a duck, right? | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
If you're lending money to people at work and getting back more than | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
you've lent out, then you're probably a business. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
What is surprising about a lot of the illegal moneylenders is that | 0:36:52 | 0:36:58 | |
they know how much money they're making. | 0:36:58 | 0:36:59 | |
So, why on earth don't they simply go and get a licence | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
and legitimise themselves? | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
It is as if they want to be under the radar of the authorities, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
for whatever reason. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
And that is sometimes surprising, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
bearing in mind the sheer scale of the money | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
that some of these people earn. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
Illegal moneylending doesn't just happen in the poorest areas. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
Calls to the team's hotline have uncovered information about more | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
loan sharking that has spread to the more affluent suburbs. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
An undercover lead investigator and her team are armed with a warrant | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
for a raid on an unassuming terraced house. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
So, we knew the background of all the people at those premises before | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
we went in, but as we're approaching the premises, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:51 | |
we're greeted by the loan shark's husband coming out | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
to put his bins out, in his dressing gown and his flip-flops. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
Good morning, sir. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
-Yes? -Good morning, sir, my name's John, I'm a police officer of the | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
National Illegal Money Lending Team. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
-Hi! -Can we go inside your property, please... -Er... | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
..instead of discussing on the drive of your property? | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
Sorry, on the...? | 0:38:12 | 0:38:13 | |
Can we come inside your house, please? | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Yeah, sure. Why? | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
We've got a warrant to search your address. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:18 | |
Shall we go inside, sir, instead of doing this on the front drive, yeah? | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
Yeah. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:23 | |
Who else is in the property this morning? | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
-Pardon? -Who else is inside your house this morning? | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
Erm, my wife and my son. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
Can you ask your wife and your son to come downstairs, please? | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
Yeah, if you come downstairs, sir. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:39 | |
I can explain all when your wife comes down. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
OK. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
Thank you. Good morning. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
Hello. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:46 | |
Do you want to come downstairs, love? | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
DOG CONTINUES TO BARK | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
Is there any chance you can put the dog in another room as well, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
so I can speak clearly without the dog barking over the top of me? | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
-Jack, come here. -Thank you. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
Jack! Jack! | 0:38:58 | 0:38:59 | |
Now, we've got a warrant to search your address this morning | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
under the Consumer Credit Act. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
We work for an agency that investigates illegal moneylenders, loan sharks. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
So, before we do that, can I ask you, have you got any documentation, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
any property that's going to relate to, like, the lending of money, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
the illegal lending of money? | 0:39:14 | 0:39:15 | |
-No. -No, OK. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
We get families working together, particularly husband-and-wife teams, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
and what we find is that one of them starts the business off and | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
the other one gets drawn into helping out in some way, collecting, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
going and knocking on doors, asking for money. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
All right. Have you got your mobile phone on you? | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
-SON: -I don't, all my stuff's upstairs. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
OK, we've got yours? | 0:39:35 | 0:39:36 | |
A lot of people under pressure go very quiet and stay very calm, | 0:39:37 | 0:39:42 | |
and they think, "Well, I don't know how I'm going to get out of this," | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
and people are thinking of ways to get out of something. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
You know, "What am I going to say? How am I going to say it? | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
"Who can I blame? It's not me, it's going to be somebody else." | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
So, thinking about the story they're going to deliver | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
at the end of the day when they're interviewed about it. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
And the easiest thing to do is confess, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
because it's good for the soul. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
We've seen loan sharks that are the typical big, burly criminals | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
that bully their way round, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:10 | |
to people that pretend to be your best friend. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
They try and justify what they've been doing, that they're some sort of community service | 0:40:13 | 0:40:18 | |
and they're not a community service. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
What they are is people who are greedy and they're profiting | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
through emotional blackmail. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
We're not there on a whim and a prayer. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
We're there for a reason and we've satisfied ourselves | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
quite properly before we come into your house | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
that you are running a business and we're here to unravel your business. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
And we are very good at it. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
So, is there a PIN number to get into the computer or a SIM card | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
or anything like that? | 0:40:44 | 0:40:45 | |
When we interviewed them, the husband actually said, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
"We'd thought about getting a consumer credit licence, but decided we weren't going to." | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
During the process of the search, we found a safe in their bedroom. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
We can't open the safe or, for whatever reason, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
they hadn't got the key. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:03 | |
And we had to get the person out to open the safe who would open | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
the safe on the premises and we managed to open the safe and I think | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
there was about £5,000 in there, along with some items of jewellery, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
which she said were not all of her items of jewellery, so now we're in | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
the process of trying to track down the owners of that jewellery and | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
see if we can get that back to their rightful owners. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
People think they're being so clever by trying to hide cash in certain | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
areas, but we always find the cash. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
It's there to be found. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:37 | |
You uncover everything that goes with human beings, actually. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
We've uncovered drug factories in lofts. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
We uncover firearms. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
We uncover pornography. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
We uncover people trafficking. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
You know, whatever humans are into. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
You know, all sorts of things. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
She had about 30 to 40 customers, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
a substantial business which had grown over a number of years | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
and her husband clearly had a lot of knowledge about it. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
While the team takes the suspects to the police station for questioning, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
Tony demonstrates the spoils of another warrant that took place | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
the night before. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
You can see how busy we are because, obviously, we've come straight from | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
that job to this job today. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
This money now is all sealed up and it's going into | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
a safe store in the next few minutes. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
We believe it's over £50,000. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
This was just lying around his house. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
There's a lack of education amongst loan sharks, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
but there's certainly no lack of business acumen. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
They know how to get money out of people, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
they understand how the psychology of human beings work. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
They understand about bringing pressure to bear in family groups. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
You couldn't say there is one profile that would fit a loan shark, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
other than they're all in business. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
With a small team, they can't fight this war alone. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
They have to rely heavily on outside agencies, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
like the Citizens Advice Bureau, who fight their own daily battles on the | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
front line of indebted Britain. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:08 | |
We can go to CABs all over the country. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:11 | |
It's one of our key relationships, I'd say. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
Housing, police, credit unions and debt advice are our, kind of, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
four key areas that we drop in and maintain relationships, basically. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
People do open up to CAB workers, so they're a really key | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
source of intelligence. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
-TONY: -With the small team that we've got, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
we can't be expected to be everywhere. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
Without our partner agencies, we would fail, but they've seen | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
the real benefits to the community when we take out a loan shark and, | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
as a result of that, everybody becomes passionate about it. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
There is a victim of a loan shark | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
and there was some support needed there, so I just added... | 0:43:41 | 0:43:45 | |
I maybe see someone who I suspect a loan shark is dealing with | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
maybe once a month. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:50 | |
No-one says, "I've borrowed money from a loan shark." | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
It's always a friend or a relative, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
and as we've become more aware of the activities of these people | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
in our town, we do delve a little bit deeper. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
Sometimes people are struggling that much that they have to turn to them, | 0:44:05 | 0:44:10 | |
and this is why we try to raise awareness of what is out there - | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
to support them. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:15 | |
-CATH: -Excuse me, have you got a second? I'm not selling anything. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
Too cold, too cold. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
In Stoke, 34% of people live in poverty. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
With people so strapped for cash, | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
they become an easy target for loan sharks. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:31 | |
Cath's out raising awareness, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
gathering any leads she can about illegal moneylenders in the area. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
Nice one. Thank you very much, gents, cheers. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
We must be mad, mustn't we? | 0:44:44 | 0:44:45 | |
This is dedication, this is! | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
So, we've moved from outside the shopping centre to inside | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
the bus station, so it's at least dry and we're all thawing out | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
a little bit now and people are a bit more willing to talk to us, | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
cos they're standing there waiting for a bus anyway and they're not freezing to death. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
You've got 91 years' experience to share with us! | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
We've spoken to people today who know what loan sharks is | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
and I firmly believe that wouldn't have happened five years ago. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
I would never, ever have a loan off a loan shark. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:12 | |
Those people want stamping out. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:14 | |
They all should be shot. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
This is my view on it. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
Someone said to me today, "They break your legs," | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
and someone else said, "I'd never get in with them cos they come | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
"into your house and they take your stuff," and that's absolutely true. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
So, I think it's brilliant, from our point of view, that people are | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
picking up the messages and saying, "No, no, I'd never use them." | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
It's important, what you're doing. I appreciate what you're doing. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
Today, we've had someone come up to one of my colleagues and say that | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
he knows a loan shark. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
He's given us the name, he's given us the nickname and also the estate | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
where he says the guy's working. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
So, we can go away and check the name and the nickname against | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
our systems, we can check it against police systems and then, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
even if, at worst, we just target that estate, | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
at least we know where we're going. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:50 | |
For a small team, the results are impressive, | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
but the battle against loan sharks is far from won. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
They're also having to deal with a relocation, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
funding cuts and reduced resources. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
I've got a few things that I want to talk about. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
First of all, the redundancies. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
Clearly, we've got five staff that are leaving the organisation. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
-Have we pencilled in the exit interviews? -Yes, yes. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
How's that gone down? | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
Erm, they were disappointed, but, obviously, they recognise that | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
there's only so much that we can do and we need to focus | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
on certain priorities. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:28 | |
We'll need to monitor to make sure that we don't overstretch staff | 0:46:28 | 0:46:34 | |
that may see it as having to pick up extra work. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
If you lose any staff, or any resource, | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
clearly that has an impact. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:41 | |
Of course, I'm disappointed, because it has an impact on the outcomes | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
that you can produce, so it may take us slightly longer to get jobs done, | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
but, ultimately, I'm a realist and we're in times, at the moment, | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
where austerity bites, | 0:46:53 | 0:46:54 | |
but we will ensure that we look at everything and try and | 0:46:54 | 0:46:59 | |
take the most appropriate, proportionate action. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
Police. Can you open the door, please? | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
The investigators carry on their fight to disrupt loan shark activity, | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
even if it's only possible to take them out one by one. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
Please, why not...? | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
Why you are doing camera? | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
Huh? No, you come this way. This way. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
We should not go by camera. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:31 | |
Right, so we're lost now, but I know it's around here somewhere. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
Team solicitor Simon continues to pursue his cases all over England, | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
trying to maintain his 100% conviction rate | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
against the inevitable frustrations of the court system. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
Unfortunately, the interpreter has been booked for tomorrow and, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
as neither of us can attend tomorrow, | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
it's all been put off to next week, I'm afraid. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
I still feel angry now and he's been locked up four years... | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
And Carol Highton, who helped to jail the loan shark | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
who hounded her son, has received an MBE for her public services. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:06 | |
It worries me because, today, it's getting so much worse, | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
especially with all the government changes coming in and everything. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
There's going to be so many people now who are going to be stressed | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
to the max and going to get in so much debt because of all | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
these changes and they are going to go down the path of going | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
to these illegal lenders, because it's going to be the only way | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
that they're going to be able to survive. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
MUSIC: Avenue Agnes by Obel | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
# What is wrong at the end of the day | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
# What is really wrong, no-one dares to say | 0:48:55 | 0:49:00 | |
# You know you're wrong | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
# When there's only one right... # | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 |