The Gap Year Paedophile


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This programme contains some strong language and scenes which some viewers may find disturbing.

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-VOICE RECORDING:

-This is Richard.

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Just to let you know I'm still remanded in prison.

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If you still want to keep in touch,

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then, just send me a letter some time.

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This is the story of how a teenage gap-year student

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became one of Britain's worst ever paedophiles.

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For nearly a decade, Richard Huckle raped, assaulted and abused

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hundreds of children in Asia.

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He was extremely dangerous. He was indiscriminate.

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Girls, boys, six months to 13 years of age.

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On the dark web, he wrote a manual for paedophiles,

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and shared tens of thousands of vile images of his crimes.

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I just thought of all the children, and it broke my heart

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that I had been a part of putting him in that position.

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Posing as a Christian, he deliberately targeted

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the poorest and most vulnerable victims.

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I can say, without any doubt, that the church was his hunting ground.

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I've spent eight months investigating

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how Huckle got away with it for so long,

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and whether he should have been caught earlier.

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I want to ask you why you didn't tell me

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-about your relationship with Richard Huckle?

-OK.

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I've followed Huckle's trail

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to countries where no-one has investigated before,

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and uncovered undetected crimes.

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When I stood in front of those two little girls,

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it didn't feel good to be right.

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It didn't feel good at all.

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And I've discovered Huckle may also have abused children in Britain.

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He was absolutely prolific.

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I would be shocked if there were no victims of his in this country.

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In 2005, a 19-year-old from suburban Kent

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arrived at this jungle park in Malaysia.

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For Richard Huckle, it was the start of his gap year.

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Come on.

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This is just a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

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I mean, this is what gap-year travel is all about.

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It's such a privilege.

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And to think that they could come here and work on a daily basis

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is amazing.

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Richard Huckle was part of a group of British students

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who'd come to do voluntary work.

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-Were they good workers?

-Yeah, they were good.

-Were they?

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They had to clean the elephant poo.

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It's not a pretty job!

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Yah!

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The students came here to decide if they wanted to volunteer

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in conservation projects like this one.

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But Richard Huckle wasn't interested

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in working with animals in the jungle.

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He knew the kind of voluntary work he wanted to do,

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in Malaysia's capital Kuala Lumpur.

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-This is where you used to bring the gappers?

-Yeah.

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-So, did you bring Huckle here?

-Yes, this is where Huckle came.

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Ann Jones worked for World Challenge,

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the organisation in charge of arranging Huckle's gap year.

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I spent a lot of my time organising the placements

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where they were going to.

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He wanted to go to an orphanage,

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but the orphanage that we had selected was unable to take them.

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What was your first impression of Huckle?

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I didn't like him.

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There was just something about him that made

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the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end,

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and I couldn't put a finger on it.

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He always looked dishevelled, he always looked dirty,

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and he had just a really bad attitude.

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I actually felt he was going to be trouble from the beginning,

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and he was.

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Ann placed Huckle and another student in a school.

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His job was to help teach English to young children.

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But, within weeks, Huckle was causing problems.

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He had a blog that he was posting incredibly disrespectful remarks

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about one of the other gap challengers.

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He was making very disparaging remarks about World Challenge,

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and he was none too kind about some of the locals either.

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Ann found Huckle a new placement at a church.

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Huckle had told everyone he was a committed Christian.

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It seemed like the perfect fit.

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They perceived him to be that little lost boy who needed to be nurtured

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and, hopefully, their nurturing would change him

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and give him the confidence to develop and grow.

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It's really tough to find out anything about Huckle.

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The police have had all his social media accounts pulled down,

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but I've discovered Huckle also kept a diary.

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And I've managed to get my hands on some of it.

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In the diary, Huckle writes about his travels around Asia

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and everyone he meets.

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In October 2005, Huckle started work as a Sunday school teacher

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at the church where he'd been placed.

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He immediately began writing disturbing comments

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about his new pupils in his diary.

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He went into this church,

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and I can say, without any doubt,

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that the church was his hunting ground.

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Mahi was the first local journalist

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to investigate Huckle's time at this church.

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He used the church, because those who turned up there

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were very poor people.

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When you are poor, it feels good when you are seen around

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with a white guy.

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It's almost like an up to your social status,

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and that is exactly what Huckle capitalised on.

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Huckle exploited his western status

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to groom one particular three-year-old girl

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who attended the church with her family.

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So, this is actually the report that you were involved in.

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Mahi recorded an interview with this girl many years later.

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Her identity was disguised to protect her.

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-RECORDING:

-'I met him in a church.

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'He started talking to my mother there.'

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-That's your voice.

-Yeah, that's my voice.

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-RECORDING:

-'And then he started coming to the house to talk to her.'

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-RECORDING:

-He started taking photos of me

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from the time I was three years old.

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He took videos of me naked. I was scared and couldn't do anything.

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He showed me photos of myself.

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They were photos that showed nude bodies, that kind of photos.

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This child was raped repeatedly by Huckle.

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Mahi says the girl told her family about Huckle's abuse.

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She told me that she had actually told her father about it.

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So her father knew?

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Her father knew about it.

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Now, her father told her to just shut up.

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And her grandmother, when I confronted her,

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just could not give me a straight answer.

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So, this is a child who must have felt really betrayed.

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My first question when I came to this country is,

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could Huckle have been stopped?

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Well, I've just found out

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he definitely could have been stopped in his tracks,

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if someone had listened to that child.

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It's quite clear that that little child knew

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what Huckle was doing was wrong...

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..and so she told her family.

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And when they did nothing...

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..I just can't imagine how she must have felt.

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Because where else would she go to for help,

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if it wasn't to her family?

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When Huckle realised he could groom children with impunity,

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he stayed in Malaysia beyond his gap year.

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He based himself in the capital,

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and gained access to children

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by working as an English teacher for schools, orphanages and families.

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Huckle raped and assaulted children of all ages,

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from babies to young teenagers.

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He was a predator, constantly on the hunt.

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One of Huckle's favourite hunting grounds was Port Dickson,

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just outside the capital.

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It's a perfect spot for families to get away from the city.

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We know Huckle came to this beach resort regularly.

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And, from his diary, we've learned that he had

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a very particular grooming strategy.

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He used to take photos of the kids that he met on the beach,

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and then he would offer them the prints of the photos

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to try and win their confidence and gain their trust.

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Huckle gave free English tuition to these kids

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and, in return, their parents offered him hospitality, meals,

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and sometimes a bed for the night.

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The entries in Huckle's diary do not explicitly reveal his crimes.

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But, at the same time, he was posting graphic material anonymously

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on the dark web.

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On secret paedophile websites,

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he uploaded thousands of photographs and videos

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of the abuse he was committing.

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He made sickening boasts about his crimes

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to other paedophiles on the dark web.

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Huckle was extraordinarily prolific on the dark web.

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He recorded the names of nearly 200 of his victims there.

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I want to know if any of his teaching colleagues

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were ever suspicious about his behaviour.

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-So, is that your Celta qualification?

-That's it.

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-Ha.

-That's the bit of paper.

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Awarded by the British Council, Kuala Lumpur,

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and you passed.

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Sam did an English language teaching course with Huckle in Malaysia.

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This is Huckle in a film promoting the course at the time.

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-Is that where you first met Richard, then, was he in your group?

-Yep.

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The very first day I met him was the very first day of the course.

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What was your first impression of Richard?

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Quiet, mild-mannered, subdued, laid-back guy.

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Sam remembers Huckle as a loner who didn't socialise.

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He believed Huckle was motivated by a desire to help local children.

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I only ever saw him with one child.

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He brought the girl to me and my partner's place.

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We hung out, we went to the pool, we had food together,

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and then we went all the way back into the inner-city,

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or the suburbs to get home and meet the mum and the home and everything.

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So, for me it was quite natural, it felt OK,

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because here's this guy going out of his way,

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looking after this young kid.

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The mum can't do it, she's working,

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and I felt it was quite unselfish, you know, to take care of a child.

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And it seemed normal, the rapport between them was fine,

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there was nothing to me that was unsettling

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or made me uncomfortable at all.

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From the research that we've done,

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it would look to me like that was one of Huckle's victims

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that he sexually abused over a period of time.

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How do you feel about that,

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knowing that that child went through that, now?

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Um. Sick, you know, really...

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I'm sort of angry at myself that I didn't see this,

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why didn't I know this?

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But it just didn't appear that way at all. But it feels awful.

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And I think, how could this happen?

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Why...

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You almost think like victims, say, "Oh, I'm a victim here,"

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sort of thing. And it's just shocking, it's like you don't...

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There's no signs of abuse because you don't see someone hurting.

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Not only did Sam meet the victims, but he met the mother.

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Huckle's totally ingratiated into the family.

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I mean, how does a white Westerner ingratiate himself so much into a

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family that he can just bring strangers in

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and take their little girl out for, like, a whole day,

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without having to be really accountable for it?

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You know, to look Sam and other people in the eye every day,

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and the mother of those kids,

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and to know what you're actually physically doing,

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and just to continue doing it, takes a real...

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..takes a real, kind of, sick individual, to be honest.

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Huckle also escaped detection by deliberately targeting some of

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the most vulnerable children in Malaysia.

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He used to take very poor children

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on trips to rich parts of the capital, like this.

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There's no way that the kids that Huckle brought here weren't impressed,

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I'm impressed. I could stand and look at this all night.

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On the dark web,

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Huckle boasted about the lowly social status of his victims.

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He said poor kids were easier to abuse than rich Western ones.

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He moved into areas like this deliberately

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to get access to poor kids.

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Huckle exploited the reluctance

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to report child sexual abuse in Malaysia.

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People from the areas where he

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operated are still not willing to talk about him.

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I'm sure you rue the day

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-that Richard Huckle walked into your village.

-Hmm.

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Eventually I managed to persuade one local politician to speak to me,

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on condition we disguised his face.

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Huckle abused children from his village for several years,

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but he said he only heard about this when British police visited in 2016.

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So, the UK police told you that there were specific families

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in the village that had been affected, right?

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Right. You went to those families?

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What did you ask them?

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Do you believe that?

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That's my question to you.

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I want you to tell me if you think

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children in your village were abused.

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Were they abused?

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Have you done anything to change that belief?

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Have you tried to change that belief,

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to convince these people that it did happen and that they need to be more

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careful in the future?

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But you can.

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What is more important, the protection of the community

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or the help for the victims?

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They're your children.

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They're the next generation of your community.

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That man represents a community that's in complete denial.

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And what hope have the victims got

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if the whole community won't accept that it happened?

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There's children that Huckle abused that are not receiving one iota of

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help because there's a community who refuse to accept it happened.

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And that's the bottom line in this,

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and that's just not good enough.

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It's just not good enough.

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The longer I spend here,

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the easier it is to understand

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how Huckle escaped being caught for so long.

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But there's one man I especially want to ask about warning signs.

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The pastor of the church where Huckle was a Sunday school teacher

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for several years.

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Huckle mentions him and his church repeatedly in his diary.

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But the pastor has publicly

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distanced himself from Huckle in the local press.

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I've just met the pastor and spoken to him,

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and he's played down

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Huckle's connections to both him and the church.

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He told me Huckle had never been at a Sunday School teacher at the church.

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He'd never got access to the kids on his own,

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and that nobody in the church and the congregation had any problem

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with Huckle's behaviour around children.

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It definitely feels a very affluent city.

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Yeah. Very expensive.

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I wanted to put the pastor's questionable claims to Ann,

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the lady who organised Huckle's gap year and initially placed him in

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the pastor's church.

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I've spoken to the pastor in charge of the church,

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and he told me that Huckle only

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visited the church on a number of occasions. Is that true?

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I don't believe that's true at all.

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Why would you allow someone

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who visits occasionally

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to take your Sunday school students?

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Why would you allow those children to be placed in the hands of someone

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you didn't know?

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Then, Ann makes a remarkable revelation.

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Very soon after Huckle was placed there,

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we had a complaint from a parent about Huckle smacking...

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..their child.

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-He smacked them?

-I believe "He was smacking children",

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was the phrase that was used,

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and that he was also manhandling them out of the classroom,

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physically removing them.

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And he also was, I guess,

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a little violent towards some of them.

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For me in my head, that's a massive warning sign.

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-So, what did you do?

-There was no way Huckle could continue.

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I met with one of the elders, the pastor, and his wife.

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Their request was that he be removed.

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We set up a meeting, and Huckle was called into the meeting.

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I asked him to leave the Gap Challenge programme

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and to pack his bags,

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and to remove himself from the area,

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and to organise an immediate flight home to the UK.

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Huckle's diary confirmed that he was fired from his job at the church and

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removed from the gap year programme

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very soon after arriving in Malaysia.

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But the diary also reveals that, just one week later,

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the church independently gave Huckle his job back.

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So, Huckle was placed back with children?

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Yes, he was. Huckle was placed in charge by the very people who had

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asked me to remove him.

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Who was in that room when you had the meeting to remove Huckle from

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-his placement?

-One of the elders, and the pastor and his wife.

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And who reinstated Huckle into the church?

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That same elder, and that particular pastor and his wife.

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How do you feel about that?

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Incredibly angry, very upset,

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and I, in many ways,

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feel responsible for those children.

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I do. And I can't not.

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What more could you have done?

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I don't know, but I wish I could think of something.

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I've talked to that pastor.

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He told me Huckle was a casual visitor to the church.

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That's completely different to what Ann has just said.

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Huckle was dismissed for smacking a child, and he never told me that.

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You have to ask yourself why he's not telling me

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the full truth.

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Good morning, pastor, it's Bronagh Munro from the BBC.

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Pastor, I was hoping to grab a conversation with you.

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I know we spoke before, but there's been a few issues that have come up

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that I'd like to chat to you about. I hope you'll give me a call.

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I look forward to speaking to you. Thanks. Bye-bye.

0:26:060:26:08

I need to talk to him about some of the things he told me because we now

0:26:100:26:13

know them not to be accurate.

0:26:130:26:15

So, either he arranges the meeting, or we just have to go and find him.

0:26:180:26:21

The pastor messages me

0:26:300:26:32

to say he stands by everything he told me before.

0:26:320:26:36

It looks like he doesn't want to speak to me again.

0:26:360:26:38

I've just discovered there's a child protection conference on in

0:26:460:26:50

the city, and we've come down and they've allowed us to come inside

0:26:500:26:53

and have a look around.

0:26:530:26:55

This is where we have initial travelling sex offenders...

0:26:570:27:01

All the key characters that you'd want to speak to are here.

0:27:010:27:05

And one of the officials has just told me that they think the key

0:27:050:27:08

reason for this conference is Huckle.

0:27:080:27:10

I've been trying for months to interview the Malaysian police.

0:27:140:27:19

I want to ask them what could have been done to catch Huckle earlier.

0:27:190:27:23

We're making a film in and around

0:27:230:27:25

paedophilia and western offenders coming to countries like Malaysia.

0:27:250:27:30

And I wanted to ask you some questions about Richard Huckle,

0:27:300:27:33

and what happened...

0:27:330:27:35

Oh, that Richard Huckle case...

0:27:350:27:38

..not in this seminar.

0:27:380:27:40

I'm forbidden to answer that because I think it is better for you

0:27:400:27:44

to write into my department to ask about that.

0:27:440:27:47

I'm very, very sorry.

0:27:470:27:49

-No, no...

-It's not that I don't want to cooperate with you.

0:27:490:27:52

They're holding a whole conference here

0:27:520:27:54

about sexual offences in their country

0:27:540:27:57

and they won't talk to me about Richard Huckle.

0:27:570:28:01

He's probably one of the country's biggest sex offenders to date.

0:28:010:28:05

He's convicted.

0:28:050:28:06

And it's still a taboo subject.

0:28:080:28:10

But then, among the dignitaries...

0:28:180:28:20

..I spot the one man I really want to speak to.

0:28:220:28:25

The pastor that was in charge of the church that Huckle worked in is now

0:28:270:28:32

standing talking to the unit

0:28:320:28:34

that deals with child sexual abuse in Malaysia.

0:28:340:28:37

This is the guy who won't talk to me.

0:28:370:28:40

I certainly have a few question for this guy.

0:28:410:28:43

Sir, how are you doing?

0:28:480:28:50

-How are you doing? You've met me before.

-Oh!

0:28:500:28:53

OK, OK, good, good.

0:28:530:28:54

Can I talk to you for a few minutes, sir?

0:28:540:28:56

I want to ask you why you didn't tell me about your relationship with

0:28:560:29:00

Richard Huckle?

0:29:000:29:02

Would you like to tell me what the extent of your relationship with

0:29:020:29:05

Richard Huckle was?

0:29:050:29:07

And I would also like to ask you, sir,

0:29:070:29:11

you told me that Richard Huckle

0:29:110:29:12

didn't work in your church at the Sunday school.

0:29:120:29:16

Sir, that's not a reply.

0:29:180:29:20

I asked you questions.

0:29:200:29:22

Why did you not tell me that Richard Huckle taught in the Sunday school?

0:29:230:29:28

Sir, we've been told by the person who ran the Gap Year Challenge that

0:29:320:29:37

-Huckle was placed in your church as part of that challenge.

-Ah!

0:29:370:29:41

And... let me finish, pastor.

0:29:410:29:44

..and that Huckle was removed from his position in the church

0:29:440:29:49

and the Challenge because he smacked a child.

0:29:490:29:51

In fact, he smacked children.

0:29:510:29:53

You told me, when I spoke to you,

0:29:550:29:58

that you had never had any concerns

0:29:580:30:00

raised to you about Huckle's behaviour.

0:30:000:30:04

Pastor, did you take part in a meeting

0:30:040:30:07

where Huckle's future in your church was discussed?

0:30:070:30:11

Did that happen?

0:30:110:30:13

We've been told you were there.

0:30:180:30:20

Are you saying that that's not true?

0:30:240:30:27

You don't remember, or it didn't happen?

0:30:300:30:33

OK. Tell me why you didn't tell me the full extent of your relationship

0:30:390:30:43

with Richard?

0:30:430:30:45

You didn't think it was relevant to our film?

0:30:450:30:48

No, no, sorry, I don't accept that, actually.

0:30:550:30:59

It's not something that would slip your memory.

0:30:590:31:01

I find that hard to believe, sir.

0:31:010:31:04

Yeah, yeah.

0:31:060:31:07

Honestly, I don't know who's more rattled -

0:31:070:31:10

him or I. Because I didn't expect to bump into him like that.

0:31:100:31:17

And still I feel that he's almost afraid to admit that Huckle

0:31:170:31:21

was in his life.

0:31:210:31:23

And that's very sad when you're standing in a place like this,

0:31:230:31:26

where everybody is calling for transparency to help the victims.

0:31:260:31:30

Most of the Malaysian children Huckle abused have been left

0:31:380:31:41

without any counselling or help.

0:31:410:31:43

That's unlikely to change until people here come to terms

0:31:450:31:49

with the magnitude of his crimes.

0:31:490:31:51

But Huckle didn't only destroy lives in Malaysia.

0:31:570:32:01

He also travelled to Cambodia -

0:32:010:32:04

a notorious magnet for western sex tourists and paedophiles.

0:32:040:32:08

Wow. There's so many tiny, young girls.

0:32:120:32:16

I've come to the capital, Phnom Penh,

0:32:160:32:18

to investigate why it was so easy for Huckle to commit abuse here.

0:32:180:32:21

Have you partaken in a little bit of sex tourism?

0:32:240:32:28

Not too much? Just a little?

0:32:280:32:30

A little.

0:32:300:32:32

Don't touch the camera, now, that's rude, please.

0:32:320:32:36

Can I take this one? Can I take two?

0:32:440:32:47

-Three?

-Yes.

0:32:470:32:50

Huckle was drawn to a city where vulnerable and poor children

0:32:500:32:53

are readily accessible.

0:32:530:32:55

You've been selling in the street ten years? What age did you start?

0:32:590:33:03

Wow.

0:33:060:33:08

Huckle would also have known about a Cambodian custom called Homestays.

0:33:130:33:17

Backpackers and tourists on a budget

0:33:200:33:22

pay to sleep in the houses of locals.

0:33:220:33:25

In his diary, Huckle records staying with families.

0:33:280:33:32

When Huckle came here, he'd organised to stay

0:33:460:33:49

with a local family.

0:33:490:33:51

Half of his trip he spent with this family.

0:33:510:33:54

You get access to the family, you get access to the children.

0:33:540:33:57

I want to get a sense of how easy it would have been for Huckle

0:34:040:34:07

to groom his host's children.

0:34:070:34:09

GIGGLING

0:34:090:34:11

Woo! Who's next?

0:34:120:34:15

Huckle wasn't put up in this village,

0:34:150:34:17

but it's typical of the kind of place western tourists stay.

0:34:170:34:21

I think not, just the family, but the whole of the village has come

0:34:210:34:25

into the yard to see who we are,

0:34:250:34:28

and I think just to have a look at us because we're so different.

0:34:280:34:31

Sarun charges tourists less than 4 a night to stay with her family.

0:34:460:34:51

-They sleep in this room?

-Yeah.

0:34:510:34:54

It's very pretty. I like the colours!

0:34:560:35:00

I would take the one with the most pink.

0:35:000:35:03

Take the prettiest one.

0:35:030:35:05

Sarun's children normally sleep on the same floor as the guests,

0:35:090:35:13

and she sleeps downstairs.

0:35:130:35:16

Would it surprise you that a western man came to Cambodia and,

0:35:170:35:22

while he was visiting as a tourist,

0:35:220:35:25

he took advantage of local children?

0:35:250:35:29

This man, in particular, made the family like him,

0:35:360:35:40

in order to get access to the children.

0:35:400:35:44

Would that surprise you?

0:35:440:35:46

This woman had to sell all her land to pay her husband's medical bill.

0:35:590:36:05

And then, after that, she had to rely on people coming here,

0:36:060:36:10

to feed her family.

0:36:100:36:12

Until I mentioned it to her, it never even occurred to her

0:36:130:36:16

that someone could come into her family as a tourist,

0:36:160:36:19

and be there solely to take advantage of the kids,

0:36:190:36:22

and not just the hospitality.

0:36:220:36:24

Huckle ruthlessly exploited the innocence of Cambodian families.

0:36:470:36:52

When you read his diary, he says the little girl seemed quite frightened

0:36:520:36:57

of him.

0:36:570:36:59

As he continues on his trip, day four, day five,

0:37:000:37:03

he says he got to hold the little girl.

0:37:030:37:07

So, he was winning her over.

0:37:070:37:09

Huckle sexually assaulted this two-year-old girl,

0:37:200:37:23

and posted photographs of this on the dark web.

0:37:230:37:27

He easily slipped out of Cambodia,

0:37:270:37:30

and his abuse didn't come to light until years later.

0:37:300:37:33

But Huckle visited another country in Asia,

0:37:510:37:53

where no crime of his has ever been detected before.

0:37:530:37:56

I know Huckle came to India at least four times.

0:38:030:38:07

I can't see any sign of a British or Indian police investigation.

0:38:070:38:12

But I think there's a very real possibility

0:38:120:38:14

Huckle committed abuse here.

0:38:140:38:16

In India, Huckle played up his Christian faith to gain access

0:38:270:38:31

to orphanages run by churches.

0:38:310:38:33

I've tracked down the first one he targeted,

0:38:340:38:37

in a remote and rural part of the country.

0:38:370:38:40

Please, please.

0:38:420:38:44

The pastor in charge has never spoken publicly

0:38:440:38:46

about Huckle's time here.

0:38:460:38:48

Pastor Elisha regularly performs exorcisms.

0:38:500:38:54

The practice of expelling demons

0:38:550:38:57

from people who say they've become possessed.

0:38:570:39:00

SHOUTING

0:39:000:39:02

Possessed?

0:39:070:39:08

In his diary, Huckle describes becoming possessed like this

0:39:100:39:13

when he was here.

0:39:130:39:15

Please.

0:39:190:39:21

Please. Please.

0:39:210:39:24

So, what Huckle says is that he became possessed

0:39:330:39:36

while he was here with you.

0:39:360:39:39

Do you remember that?

0:39:390:39:41

When you felt something's not right,

0:39:520:39:55

what did you do?

0:39:550:39:57

Did you feel that there was some danger with having him here?

0:40:110:40:14

We have Huckle's diary, OK?

0:40:280:40:29

-We got a copy of Huckle's diary.

-OK.

0:40:290:40:32

Huckle wrote in his diary that he confessed to you.

0:40:320:40:36

-Hm.

-And I wanted to know what that confession might have been.

0:40:360:40:42

I'm asking because he wrote, "Pastor came to the hotel,

0:40:490:40:53

"and I made a confession to him."

0:40:530:40:57

So, I wanted to ask you if you maybe remembered even talking to him

0:40:570:41:01

in the hotel?

0:41:010:41:02

UPBEAT SINGING

0:41:110:41:14

What's most alarming about Huckle's diary entries here are his comments

0:41:180:41:22

about the children in the orphanage.

0:41:220:41:24

He talks about them in the same way

0:41:240:41:27

as children he is known to have abused in Malaysia and Cambodia.

0:41:270:41:31

He wrote, "I had a long cuddle with a little girl."

0:41:320:41:37

OK. Now, that little girl that he wrote that about,

0:41:370:41:41

he says came from this orphanage.

0:41:410:41:44

How do you feel, knowing that he might have done that

0:41:460:41:50

to a little girl here?

0:41:500:41:51

How did you feel when you found out about what Richard Huckle had done

0:42:000:42:04

to children? How did that make you feel?

0:42:040:42:07

This is a really taboo subject.

0:42:200:42:23

He was much more forthright than I ever expected him to be,

0:42:230:42:26

and he answered every question, and he didn't shy away from anything.

0:42:260:42:30

The only thing he didn't answer that I REALLY wanted an answer to,

0:42:300:42:34

was what did Huckle confess to?

0:42:340:42:36

Huckle travelled all across India.

0:42:590:43:02

And it wasn't only rural orphanages and churches

0:43:020:43:06

where he looked for children.

0:43:060:43:08

He also targeted slums in big cities.

0:43:080:43:12

Hello.

0:43:190:43:21

Huckle never came here. But, on the dark web,

0:43:210:43:24

he boasted about how easy it was to groom children from poor communities

0:43:240:43:28

like this one.

0:43:280:43:29

May I look inside?

0:43:290:43:32

Thank you.

0:43:320:43:34

How many people live here?

0:43:360:43:39

Seven?

0:43:390:43:41

Where do you sleep?

0:43:410:43:42

On the floor?

0:43:420:43:46

-That's the bathroom?

-Yeah.

0:43:460:43:48

This is the bathroom.

0:43:480:43:51

Yeah? You tip it over.

0:43:510:43:54

You sleep here. You wash here.

0:43:540:43:57

To eat?

0:43:570:43:59

Here.

0:43:590:44:00

One room does all.

0:44:000:44:02

This place smells.

0:44:120:44:15

It's crawling with flies.

0:44:150:44:17

It's really dirty.

0:44:180:44:21

But this is the kind of place that Huckle came

0:44:210:44:24

to look for children.

0:44:240:44:26

Huckle's diary makes several references

0:44:470:44:50

to one particular girl from a slum.

0:44:500:44:53

After tracking her and her family down,

0:44:530:44:55

I discover no-one has ever asked them about Huckle before.

0:44:550:44:59

To protect her and her sister, we are disguising their identities

0:44:590:45:04

and the area they're from.

0:45:040:45:06

I felt he was a nice man.

0:45:080:45:11

I thought he was helping me.

0:45:110:45:13

I thought he was good.

0:45:130:45:15

I liked him so much at that time.

0:45:150:45:18

This girl was ten years old when Huckle turned up in her slum.

0:45:180:45:22

He was 26, and had already been grooming children for years.

0:45:220:45:27

He showed me family photos.

0:45:270:45:30

He said it's Malaysia, that he was going there.

0:45:300:45:34

He asked me to go with him.

0:45:340:45:36

So, Huckle wanted you to come to Malaysia with him?

0:45:360:45:39

-Yes.

-Yes.

0:45:390:45:41

I said no, no, I wanted to be with Mum.

0:45:410:45:45

Then he told me to go with him, and that he would bring me up.

0:45:450:45:49

I said no. I was scared at that time.

0:45:490:45:52

Did you see Huckle do something that was wrong to your sister?

0:45:520:45:56

He was trying to lift her skirt with his foot.

0:45:560:46:00

My sister moved away.

0:46:000:46:02

Some kind of fear filled me.

0:46:030:46:06

I didn't expect that he would be like that.

0:46:060:46:09

I said, "Hey," and I told him off.

0:46:090:46:13

He smiled, and took his legs away.

0:46:130:46:16

Then I ran away from there.

0:46:160:46:17

But Huckle returned to the slum just a few days later.

0:46:200:46:24

Pretending that he was making a film about the residents,

0:46:240:46:28

he led the girl into a nearby church.

0:46:280:46:31

He made me sit in the chair.

0:46:340:46:37

He made me sit very close to him.

0:46:370:46:39

He started to look at me weirdly.

0:46:390:46:42

I felt something was wrong.

0:46:430:46:45

My heartbeat was racing.

0:46:450:46:47

I was scared. Immediately, I got up.

0:46:470:46:53

He came running behind me.

0:46:530:46:54

I hadn't noticed that he had locked the door.

0:46:560:46:58

I...I couldn't open it.

0:46:580:47:01

He came running behind me.

0:47:010:47:02

I managed to open the lock and ran away.

0:47:040:47:07

Huckle's diary does not suggest he offended in India on anything like

0:47:140:47:18

the same scale as he did in Malaysia.

0:47:180:47:21

But he made at least four visits here.

0:47:210:47:24

None of these have been investigated by the authorities.

0:47:240:47:28

When I read the diary,

0:47:310:47:33

I had a hunch that Huckle had committed the same type of offences

0:47:330:47:36

in India that he did in Malaysia.

0:47:360:47:39

And when I stood in front of those two little girls...

0:47:390:47:41

..it didn't feel good to be right.

0:47:440:47:46

It didn't feel good at all.

0:47:480:47:49

One of the first things I noticed, pastor, when I came through

0:48:000:48:03

the gate, was this security camera, and the barbed wire.

0:48:030:48:06

Were they here when Huckle came?

0:48:060:48:08

When Huckle came, they were already there.

0:48:080:48:11

I tracked down another pastor who hosted Huckle twice.

0:48:140:48:18

By the time Huckle visited this orphanage,

0:48:180:48:21

he'd been abusing children for seven years.

0:48:210:48:23

So, this was your first building?

0:48:260:48:27

Yeah, this was the first building that we did.

0:48:270:48:30

Pastor Gandhi says he ensured that Huckle was never left alone with

0:48:300:48:34

any of the children during his stay.

0:48:340:48:37

When Huckle came here, this is where the children were sleeping,

0:48:370:48:40

-is that right?

-Yes, this is the place.

0:48:400:48:42

But Huckle was not allowed to sleep with them.

0:48:420:48:44

-Yes.

-He is staying in a different room.

-Mm-hm.

0:48:440:48:47

The pastor says he had a premonition about Huckle after he first met him.

0:48:500:48:55

I was laying on his bed,

0:48:570:48:59

and I started having some bad dreams.

0:48:590:49:02

And what was that telling you?

0:49:020:49:04

He started showing me some pictures, some naked pictures.

0:49:040:49:08

-Of children?

-It's not totally children but there are some other

0:49:080:49:13

-pictures, they are ugly.

-Yeah.

0:49:130:49:15

Then I discerned there is something wrong going on here in this bedroom,

0:49:150:49:19

and with Huckle.

0:49:190:49:21

That happened overnight,

0:49:230:49:25

and you think there's something wrong with Huckle.

0:49:250:49:27

What did you do?

0:49:270:49:29

The very next morning, I asked him,

0:49:290:49:31

are you practising any pornographic practices?

0:49:310:49:36

And he simply said, "No, no, no, I don't have such problems,

0:49:360:49:41

"I don't have anything like that."

0:49:410:49:43

And then I said, "If you are practising any kind of sin,

0:49:430:49:47

"then you must renounce it and come to God."

0:49:470:49:50

During the nine years Huckle lived and travelled in Asia,

0:50:030:50:07

his behaviour on social media

0:50:070:50:08

did raise some suspicions back in the UK.

0:50:080:50:11

On Facebook, he posted vast numbers of pictures of himself with

0:50:130:50:17

the children he was meeting.

0:50:170:50:19

I contacted around 20 of Huckle's Facebook friends but only one agreed

0:50:190:50:24

to speak on camera.

0:50:240:50:27

He went to school with Huckle here in Kent.

0:50:270:50:29

In 2012, he challenged Huckle on Facebook about his posts.

0:50:310:50:35

But just before we're about to meet, even he gets cold feet.

0:50:390:50:43

"I've had some time to think about this

0:50:450:50:47

"and not really happy with going ahead.

0:50:470:50:49

"I'm a little wary of how this will be seen with the public,

0:50:490:50:53

"due to the sickening content from him,

0:50:530:50:56

"which is not something I want my name against."

0:50:560:50:58

He basically called Huckle out on the amount,

0:50:580:51:03

the sheer amount of kids photographs Huckle was posting on Facebook.

0:51:030:51:06

And basically accused him of being a paedophile.

0:51:060:51:09

According to this guy, Huckle was

0:51:100:51:12

really quick to come back and deny

0:51:120:51:14

and challenge him about the accusation

0:51:140:51:17

but it's really key because it was Huckle's contemporaries,

0:51:170:51:21

it was the people the same age as Huckle that kind of thought what he

0:51:210:51:25

was doing was a bit weird.

0:51:250:51:26

But Huckle only ever revealed his true character on the dark web.

0:51:310:51:35

He became increasingly reckless and arrogant about posting videos and

0:51:380:51:41

pictures of the crimes he was committing.

0:51:410:51:44

Huckle had become so consumed by the abuse that he turned it into a game

0:51:460:51:52

and started awarding himself paedo points for abusing the children.

0:51:520:51:56

He even set rules where he didn't allow himself to abuse the same

0:51:570:52:01

child in the same week in the same way.

0:52:010:52:04

The most serious offences, like rape, earned 15 points.

0:52:060:52:09

In the year up to November 2014,

0:52:100:52:13

Huckle managed to score over 1,300 points.

0:52:130:52:17

And he recorded all of this on something he called a paedo ledger.

0:52:200:52:24

It was at this point that Huckle's crimes finally caught up with him,

0:52:370:52:41

nine years after he'd left the UK on his gap year.

0:52:410:52:44

Australian police infiltrated a notorious dark website

0:52:460:52:51

and discovered that one of its most prolific users was British.

0:52:510:52:55

Police in the UK were alerted.

0:52:560:52:59

That internet usage enabled us to identify who he was and where he

0:53:020:53:06

was, and then our investigations started to proceed at a rapid rate

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of knots at that stage. He was giving guidance to other paedophiles

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about how to operate, so that was something completely new to us

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and just reflected the depravity and the dangerous situations that

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this individual was creating with very young children,

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ranging from six months to about 13 years of age.

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British police learned that Huckle was flying back from Malaysia to

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the UK for Christmas.

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On the 19th of December 2014, he was arrested at Gatwick Airport.

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20,000 images of abuse were found on his computer,

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and he was taken into custody.

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During interview, Huckle refused to answer the questions

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that we put to him. He showed no remorse whatsoever.

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There's not one point in time that he's ever asked about the victims.

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He's never asked about their welfare,

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he's never asked about the impact.

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After months of painstaking interrogation

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of the pictures and videos

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Huckle had posted on the dark web,

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he was charged with 91 offences and abusing 23 children.

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This is Richard, just to let you know I'm still remanded in prison.

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If you still want to keep in touch, then just send me a letter sometime.

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Huckle continued to believe he could escape punishment.

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From his cell, he wrote to Pastor Gandhi in India,

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the man he'd lied to previously about his crimes.

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"Greetings to you and your family.

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"For the past 12 months, I've been imprisoned, waiting for a trial,

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"a trial that the British authorities want to pursue with me."

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He's in Belmarsh.

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He says,

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"But I would like to assure you that I have done no harm or distress

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"despite the serious charges the British authorities

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"have put before me."

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This letter is dated 27th of March 2016.

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So, it's right before his trial.

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So, there's no acceptance he's committed any offence.

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"God bless you, Richard Huckle."

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This guy is either seriously deluded

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and completely off the scale

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if he doesn't realise that he's done wrong.

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Or he's deliberately underplaying

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what he did to make sure he keeps Gandhi

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as a friend, as a confidante.

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But Huckle was fighting a losing battle.

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British Police believed they could convict him without any of

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the victims reliving the trauma of their abuse in court.

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The photos and videos Huckle had posted on the dark web provided

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all the evidence they needed.

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He didn't record his offending in a way that he was obvious

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in those videos.

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We couldn't see his face but we could see clothing and

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various other items that would lead us to identify him.

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I think as the evidence unravelled and as the evidence was discovered,

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then I think the penny began to drop and the weight of evidence was so

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strong that he pleaded guilty.

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A former Sunday School teacher,

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considered to be one of Britain's most prolific paedophiles,

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is facing a life sentence

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for a catalogue of abuse against children in Malaysia.

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Richard Huckle, who's 30 and from Ashford in Kent,

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admitted more than 70 charges.

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Huckle was convicted of abusing 23 children at his trial,

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although the judge noted that the ledger where he recorded his crimes

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on the dark web contained the names of 191 children.

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But the true number of victims is likely to be even greater.

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Huckle has refused to hand over the passwords to some of the hard drives

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he stored images on and they remain locked.

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His diary also reveals he spent time with kids from churches in Britain.

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He's getting himself into churches, he's spending time with young kids.

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He says he is teaching them and he is also talking his way into their

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homes and having sleepovers with them.

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He writes about dreaming about these kids and names them,

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and he's talking about kissing them.

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He was absolutely prolific.

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We need to look at what went on in the UK at the times and places and

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spaces that he occupied here in positions of trust.

0:58:570:59:01

Jim Gamble used to lead police

0:59:030:59:05

investigations into child abuse in the UK.

0:59:050:59:08

He believes Huckle's movements here

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need to be investigated more extensively.

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How likely is it that someone like Huckle offended here in

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-the UK?

-Highly likely.

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I would be shocked if there were no victims of his in this country.

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So, the fact that his 200 victims, I would say, you know,

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if you were to really focus on him and had the resources to focus in

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depth on him for significant period of time, there would be more.

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I would say that within the next 10-15 years other young people,

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who are young now, who have been abused by Huckle, will come forward.

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We know Huckle spent a significant

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amount of time in a church here in London.

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Have you approached that church?

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Yeah, we are aware of two churches that he attended.

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We've approached both of those churches and we've spoken to them,

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and they've assured us that to the best of their knowledge that they

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are not aware of any offending

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or any suspicions that they had at the time.

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I mean, is it enough for the church leaders to say they've asked and

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there's been no abuse? Huckle spent overnight stays in some of the homes

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of these churchgoers.

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Should the NCA call themselves in to talk to these families?

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I'm not aware of him staying with families.

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But if there are any families, parents,

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children that believe he has been engaged in any sexual activity with

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children, then we would like to speak to them.

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I would not support going and approaching victims direct.

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But our responsibility is, as soon as they do come forward,

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is then to provide them with the service they absolutely deserve,

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which is support for them and then investigate the crimes that are

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reported to us.

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Richard Huckle was a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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A ruthless predator who posed as a friend to the most poor,

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innocent and vulnerable.

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Lessons must be learned about how he was able to commit unspeakable

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crimes in plain sight for nearly a decade.

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For now, at least, Huckle's offending has been stopped

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but we'll probably never know the full extent

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of the devastation and pain he left behind.

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