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For almost 100 years our justice system has been a hidden world. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
Cameras are banned in courts here. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
Much of the work goes unreported. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
Historically, our knowledge has been based on TV dramas, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
artist impressions and newspaper headlines. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
But now, for the first time, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
one legal institution has allowed the cameras in. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
This is the world of the barristers. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
The public want to know what we do, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
they are entitled to know what we do. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
And we feel we have a responsibility and duty | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
to therefore inform the public of what it is we actually do | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
as part of the administration of justice. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
For 15 months, we've filmed barristers as they prepare for cases | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
for courts in Belfast, Newtownards, Omagh and London. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:55 | |
For most barristers this is the ultimate court experience. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:05 | |
Our case is that there should be an exceptionality provision. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
Right, so are you putting all your eggs into the exceptionality point? | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
When you get to this point, all the work you've done, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
that's well and good, but it's out of your control, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
you have to trust your counsel then to make the case on your behalf. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
With thousands of cases and hundreds of barristers and solicitors, | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
this series is a snapshot behind the scenes. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
The majority of Northern Ireland's barristers work out of | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
the Bar Library in Belfast. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
Although they're all self-employed | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
they pay fees for the office facilities | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
including secretaries and research. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
Thousands of letters and files come in here every day, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
each envelope contains a legal problem | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
that the barrister is paid to deal with. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
Suzanne Bradley specialises in employment law, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
often working for the Equality Commission. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
There's no legal aid for this type of law. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
The Commission has a limited budget | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
so it can only take on cases that have an impact on all of us. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
There were two envelopes delivered. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
The bigger parcel contained what's called the Tribunal bundle, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
that large bundle contains all the pleadings in the case, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:34 | |
all the documents, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
and lastly any records | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
of the case management discussions that have taken place. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
When I'm reading the Tribunal bundle | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
I'm looking to pick out the evidence, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
whether it be in pleadings, whether it be in documents. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
What I'm looking for is the evidence that will support my client's case. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
Suzanne has a religious discrimination case. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
Her client worked for a company that is mainly Brethren. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
Gavin, pleased to meet you again. Vicky, how are you? | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
Suzanne's client says Brethren doing the same job as him | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
had different pay and conditions. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
He says he was excluded from early morning meetings, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
motivational e-mails and lunch gatherings, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
as the faith does not allow non-Brethren to eat with them. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
He believes work was discussed at these times | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
so he was denied opportunities. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
The company denies discrimination so it's going to Tribunal. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
This is a case were my client is making allegations | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
that he has been less favourably treated on grounds of religion. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
He's alleging that he has been less favourably treated than | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
comparators who are members of the Brethren community, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
who did the same job as him within the company | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
and they were more favourably treated in a number of respects. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
So, Gavin, you will go first to give evidence. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
When you are sworn or you have affirmed, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
you cannot talk to anyone during the break, during the lunch breaks. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
If you're kept in the witness box overnight you can't talk to anyone. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
'I never thought that I would be involved in this sort of situation. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
'It is very daunting but I felt that with the advice' | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
I'd been given, I needed to take my case forward | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
for anyone in the future. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:30 | |
Cases aren't always about people, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
sometimes they're about bricks and mortar. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
In 2012, Northern Ireland's Environment Minister | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
gave permission to flatten this building. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
QC Ronan Lavery has been instructed to save it. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
The Athletic Stores case, it is a Judicial Review | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
of the Planning Service's decision | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
to permit demolition and rebuild. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
It's in a conservation area | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
and the Planning Policy and Guidelines say it should be treated | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
pretty much the same way as any listed building. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
It's simply an economic argument that is being used by the developer. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
If you apply profit | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
to whether an historic building should be demolished or not | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
I don't think there would be an historic building standing any more. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
Our client, the Ulster Architectural Heritage Society, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
thinks that this is an important case | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
because it sets a precedent | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
and any other listed building or building in a conservation area, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
one could argue for their demolition | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
simply on the basis that the owner of the building | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
couldn't turn a profit on it. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
There's added pressure, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
the person spearheading the client's case is also Ronan's wife, Rita, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
who is an architectural historian. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
There are very few of these buildings left in the city, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
there's only about eight of them, I think, in the city centre. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
And so it's very important to retain those links, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
those tangible links with the city's past. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
It is very important that the conservation area | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
and the listed building policies are applied. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
If they're not applied in this case then there is every chance | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
that they won't be applied in future cases | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
so it sets a very damaging precedent | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
and undermines the legislation and the policy | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
that sets out to defend the buildings like this. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
They're seeking a judicial review | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
into the Environment Minister's decision, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
making sure he properly followed the rules and regulations. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
Ronan's being assisted in this case by his father, Michael Lavery QC. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
The Department is judging the viability of the scheme | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
from the point of the view of a developer. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
'My father didn't encourage any of us to follow law.' | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
For a building to be viable, doesn't necessarily need to be profitable. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
No. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:55 | |
'He talked about work a lot and it was interesting | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
'but really we were given' | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
absolute free rein to do whatever we wanted. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
Viable, it's like a life, I suppose, isn't it? | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
It's whether you turn the machine off or not for this building. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
'He's been senior counsel' | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
for a good few years more than I have. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
Since I took silk about a year and a half ago, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
the cases with him become less and less. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
This is one of the older cases | 0:07:22 | 0:07:23 | |
that has been going on for about five years | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
so we're still in it together. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
Anyone can get a report to say that building... | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Correct. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:31 | |
'It's not a difficulty, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:32 | |
'we just immediately change into professional mode | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
'and that's the way we discuss a case.' | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
Not as members of a family. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
Every year in Northern Ireland, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
hundreds of graduates compete for a career in law. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
Only the top students get a place to train as a barrister. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
Jason Elliott is one of the 32 offered the chance. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
Every profession is competitive and we try to do the best that we can. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:06 | |
If you continue to do a good job and work hard | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
and do your best for your client and whoever instructs you, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
you hope that you will continue to get the work but it is competitive. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
Every barrister spends a year training at the Institute. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Knowing the law is one thing, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
being able to argue your client's case in court is another. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
Do you want to hear these or should we just go ahead and do it? | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
OK, let's go. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
It is submitted that the respondent has acted within | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
the relevant limitation period as set out under statute. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
You have to take your audience with you at every stage. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
Martin is a very competent advocate | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
and any feedback that he gives is taken on board. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
Once you sense that they're becoming frustrated, lost, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
all of those human emotions, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
you must address that to re-engage your audience. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
Mock trials known as moots are a key training opportunity. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
This is a very serious competition, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
there's a competitive edge | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
between us at the Institute and the King's Inn down at Dublin. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
The Institute has won it for the last two years | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
so we're trying to make it three on the bounce. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
All stand. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
The Eoin Higgins Moot is one of the most significant | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
as it's before three senior judges from Belfast and Dublin. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
A writ was served on the PSNI on the 30th April 2013. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
This is only four days after ICL had grounds for the proceedings. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
'There are marks for answering difficult questions from the bench | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
'and there are very difficult questions | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
'being bombarded down from the judges,' | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
re-butting other points made by the opposing team, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
all of that comes together to form an overall score. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
The judges leave to make their decision. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
And this year Dublin has the edge. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
It's a vital lesson that every barrister learns - | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
you win some, you lose some. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:14 | |
Well, this experience has put me in far better stead, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
it's given me more experience, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
so when it does come to standing in court | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
and making a submission to a judge in the Magistrates Court, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
or maybe to a jury this will help me | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
because it's dealing with the pressure | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
and being able to articulate what your client wants in the courtroom. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
Ronan's working on another Judicial Review called the Brownlee case. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
His client is challenging the Department of Justice. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
In 2012 Raymond Brownlee | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
was convicted of false imprisonment and assault. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
But he can't hire a new barrister to oversee his sentencing plea. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
The problem is that in 2011, the Department of Justice, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
in a bid to cut the criminal legal aid bill, brought in new rules. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
There was no longer any provision | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
for exceptional or unusual situations. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
The fee for this sentencing is £240. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
It's estimated there's five days' work, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
so it's less than the minimum wage. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
This is a case about legal aid. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
It's for an accused in a criminal case, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
who fell out with his first legal representative. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
The trial continued but the Judge felt it was appropriate for him | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
to be represented by a new legal team at the sentencing hearing. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
We're challenging the rule structure, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
we're saying they should be effective enough | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
to enable an individual to actually employ a lawyer. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:58 | |
Ronan's client is sitting in jail. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
He's facing a severe punishment known as an indeterminate sentence. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
This means he will serve a number of years before the Parole Board | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
decides if he can be released or not. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
Ronan's arguing the preparation for this sentencing | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
will take five days of reading and research. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
Digesting large amounts of documentation is a key skill. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:30 | |
I've always taken it as a rule of thumb that for reading documents | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
you are allowed three minutes per page. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
What we heard today | 0:12:40 | 0:12:41 | |
was that has been changed to one and a half minutes. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
It was suggested by someone in court | 0:12:44 | 0:12:45 | |
that we're now going to have to work twice as fast. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
The fee allowable in this case | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
is simply for the hearing itself | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
and there's no provision whatsoever for the preparation time. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
Preparation is everything, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:02 | |
and any person in any law school will say that. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
Preparation is everything. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:07 | |
Ronan's client wins. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
The Department of Justice | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
is ordered to provide proper access to a lawyer. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
But that's not the end of it. The Department challenges the judgment. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
It's make or break for Jason. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
He's preparing for his last exam. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
Pass, he can start his apprenticeship as a barrister. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
Fail, it's back to the drawing board. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
It's our final exam, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
it's the culmination of our time at the Institute. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
It's important to do well. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
Preparing the file is very important as well. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
It's not only useful for the exam on Wednesday, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
but it could be useful for practice | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
because it includes a lot of procedural notes. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
I'm feeling quite confident. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:56 | |
I've developed my notes from the start of the year. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
I've kept notes for each subject that we've done | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
so I think I'm in a good position. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
Although the file is only part of it, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
we have to be able to look at the brief | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
and see what issues actually arise so we can make use of the file, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
so obviously it depends on the day as well. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
It's a nervous wait, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
but Jason passes with flying colours. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
It's the beginning of his professional career, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
but before Jason earns a single penny | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
he has to fork out nearly £700 on his professional kit. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
Come on over here. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
OK, have a look at yourself in the mirror there. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
It's a bit surreal, so it is, having it on for the first time. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
But, no, I think it looks really well. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
Can't wait to be called, having the shirt and the bands, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
the collar on as well. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:17 | |
Yeah, really can't wait. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
If it is pristine then you're seen as the junior Bar, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
they know you have just been called, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
the more tatty it is, they see that you've got experience. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
I've heard a few stories about people sitting on them in the car, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
wiping up coffee stains, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
just generally throwing them about | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
and giving them a bit of rough handling, I'd say. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
But I don't think I'll be doing that yet, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
I'll let my parents see it first in pristine condition. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
It's the day of the Judicial Review into the government decision | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
to allow the demolition of The Athletic Stores. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
The result in this case will have far reaching consequences | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
as it will affect buildings not just in Northern Ireland | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
but across the whole of the UK. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
A lot rests on this, this is a very, very important case for us. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
When you get to this point, all the work you have done, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
that's well and good, but that is out of your control, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
you have to trust your counsel to make the case on your behalf. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
You get quite nervous to see whether you will hear that presented | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
in the way that you expect that to be. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
But it is an amazing feat to be able to distil that and to make the case, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:34 | |
as we could never do as clients, we do not have that expertise. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
This morning we're starting to present our claim | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
for religious discrimination. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
Particularly in a case as this one is, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
which is supported by the Equality Commission. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
I've given an opinion to them, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
to say it's a case with a reasonable prospect of success, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
so to that extent, yes, I suppose there is a degree of apprehension | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
and I hope that I will be proved right in that opinion. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
The religious discrimination case is being heard in Belfast. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
Fair Employment Tribunals are very different to courts, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
they were set up as informal gatherings | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
to solve problems between employers and employees. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
The whole ethos behind the tribunals was that initially | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
persons would be able to come in and represent themselves. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
That's why it is set out in a much more informal manner. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
It's not as informal as it was initially intended to be. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
The same procedure of examining a claimant | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
in evidence in chief and cross examination applies. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
The fact that you have to go through those same procedural steps | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
and cross examine someone, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
really can make it equally as daunting as a court appearance. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
The case takes five days to hear the evidence and legal arguments. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
All the client can do is wait for the decision | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
that will be posted out in several weeks' time. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
What were your views on how it ran? | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
'I'm very happy with the way it has ran.' | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
I don't think there's been anything left unsaid | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
regarding the whole case. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
'It's very nerve-racking. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
'And it's very intense, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
but I just wanted to put my story across | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
the best way I could to the panel | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
and I believe I did so, so I'm happy with my evidence. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
Previously Ronan successfully represented | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
his client Raymond Brownlee | 0:18:55 | 0:18:56 | |
when he challenged the Department of Justice about access to legal aid. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
But that decision was taken to the Court of Appeal | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
and Ronan's about to hear the result. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
We're down to take judgment in the Brownlee legal aid case. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
You want to win because it's an adversarial system, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
but you've a certain detachment as well, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
a professional detachment, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:23 | |
because you don't have a personal interest in the outcome of the case. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
It's somebody else's interest at stake. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
This time the judges don't agree with Ronan's arguments. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
We lost. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
The basis of the decision | 0:19:45 | 0:19:46 | |
was that once our client had dismissed his counsel | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
in the criminal trial, that he wasn't entitled to new counsel. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
But it doesn't end there. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
Ronan's client is given permission | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
to go to the highest court in the UK, the Supreme Court in London. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
Ronan has the morning to set out his arguments | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
as to why he feels the Court of Appeal in Belfast is wrong. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
The Supreme Court will make the final ruling on the issue. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
For most barristers this is the ultimate court experience. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
This is my first time in the Supreme Court. It's a challenge. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
But you should have the skills | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
to deal with this from your experience in other courts. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
My expectation is that it will be | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
a little bit like the Court of Appeal, only up a level. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
I don't know. I don't know. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
Cameras are not banned in this court so proceedings can be filmed. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
There's going to be five Supreme Court Justices. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
We will present our appeal first. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
We've already made written submissions | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
so it will be a question and answer session by the five judges. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
Our case is that there should be an exceptionality provision. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
Right, so are you putting all your eggs | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
into the exceptionality point, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:27 | |
and if not what's your fall back position? | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
There should, in line with other jurisdictions, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
be an exceptionality provision. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:32 | |
Yes, but suppose we are against you on that? | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
If you are against us on that | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
then one might have to look at the facts of this individual case. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
'To be debating and arguing a topic | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
'before five of the finest' | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
legal minds in the country is a privilege. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
One has to simply look at the rules | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
and say whether they give effect to the 1981 Order. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
'The Brownlee case goes to the heart of the criminal justice system' | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
and unless you're going to make | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
everybody in society millionaires overnight, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
the State is going to have to provide funding to those people. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
Mr Attorney. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
Ronan's opponent, the Department of Justice | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
is represented by Northern Ireland's Attorney General. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
A and B seem to me | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
to concentrate one's mind on, is it going to be more work? | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
Yes, well... | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
That's the point in this case. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
The evidence is that it probably wouldn't take a great deal of time | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
to come to grips with the case. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
How do you measure time and skill | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
if you leave out altogether | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
an examination of individual cases? | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
But we don't, My Lord, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
it's done by reference to the size of the case, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
the physical size of the case. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:56 | |
So you simply look at the number of pages and that's that. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
There's no room for an exceptionality provision ever? | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
Yes, because provision is already made for it in general terms. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:07 | |
Is there a rational connection | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
between having regard to the cost of public funds | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
and saying that we will not under any circumstances | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
allow any exception to these figures? | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
Yes, My Lord, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
because the Justice budget of which the legal budget is a part, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:27 | |
has to contend for space | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
against a huge number of other competing demands. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:35 | |
Yes, of course. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
Ronan's client has been sitting in prison | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
awaiting sentence since June 2012. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
The judges announce an interim decision | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
so that his sentencing can proceed. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
We grant permission to appeal, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
we allow the appeal to the limited extent | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
of declaring that the current regulations | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
are unlawful to the extent of having, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
not including a provision which, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
to its credit the Department of Justice | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
has conceded in paragraph 3.6 and 3.16. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
Well, it went very well, we won. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
You never count your chickens before they hatch | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
but we had certainly expected a positive outcome. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
I didn't want to say that before we went in, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
but certainly in the back of our minds | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
we were confident about our case. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:30 | |
What I enjoyed was the informal, discursive environment | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
where really it was a collaboration | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
in terms of trying to get to what the law is or should be. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:46 | |
Rather than something necessarily adversarial or combative. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:52 | |
Overall, tremendous experience. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
Jason's at the Royal Courts of Justice | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
for the opening of the New Legal Year. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
Along with other new barristers he's taking part | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
in a formal ceremony admitting him to the profession. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
Then there's a year of apprenticeship known as a pupillage | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
when Jason will learn the craft | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
as he works alongside a senior barrister known as a master. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
There's an atmosphere of excitement, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
it's been a long summer for all of us, really. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
It's the start of a new chapter, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
we've done a lot of our academic work, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
through our degree of law, then the Institute as well, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
so this is the start of our career, essentially. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
31 of you are here today for two purposes. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
One, to be admitted to the degree of Barrister of Law, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
the second is to be called to the Bar. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
That's the start of our pupillage, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
the first six months are non-practicing. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
Mr Jason Elliott. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
If you go into anything else, you start as a trainee | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
and you shadow someone more senior than you | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
and that's the way it works at the Bar. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
You shadow your master | 0:26:08 | 0:26:09 | |
and you learn the tricks of the trade, so to speak. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
If you go into any biography of any barrister, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
one of the first things will be their year of Call, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
and it's the thing that every barrister will remember, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
not only career wise but also as a personal goal. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
I'm going to sign two books, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:29 | |
the first is the Roll of Barristers in Northern Ireland | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
and the second is the membership | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
of the Inn of Court of Northern Ireland. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
Every barrister that gets called signs the book, signs both books. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:42 | |
That's me signed the books, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
now off to go down to the Nisi Prius | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
to get called by the Lord Chief Justice. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
The new beginning of the legal year is marked by a formal procession. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:59 | |
As the representative of Northern Ireland's barristers, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
Mark Mulholland QC attends. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
The judges, and Mark as Bar chairman, pay respect to each other | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
to highlight the profession's roles and duties in the justice system. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
This is a new legal year, this is the new term starting. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
First of all we have our call to the Bar of our new pupil barristers. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:23 | |
And the formal procession led by our Lord Chief Justice | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
and the High Court judiciary in advance of that call. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
I was called in this term exactly 20 years ago, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
this very week, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
and where has 20 years gone? | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
It has absolutely flown. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:54 | |
Certainly for those who are now coming to the Bar, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
there are perhaps different challenges than I had to face, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
greater numbers, greater competition | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
but you would like to think with that | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
there is a high quality of young barrister | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
who is highly motivated and committed and dedicated | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
to start at the outset of this great profession | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
and to work very hard and succeed at it. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 |