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For almost 100 years our justice system has been a hidden world.

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Cameras are banned in courts here.

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Much of the work goes unreported.

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Historically, our knowledge has been based on TV dramas,

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artist impressions and newspaper headlines.

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But now, for the first time,

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one legal institution has allowed the cameras in.

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This is the world of the barristers.

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The public want to know what we do,

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they are entitled to know what we do.

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And we feel we have a responsibility and duty

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to therefore inform the public of what it is we actually do

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as part of the administration of justice.

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For 15 months, we've filmed barristers as they prepare for cases

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for courts in Belfast, Newtownards, Omagh and London.

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For most barristers this is the ultimate court experience.

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Our case is that there should be an exceptionality provision.

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Right, so are you putting all your eggs into the exceptionality point?

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When you get to this point, all the work you've done,

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that's well and good, but it's out of your control,

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you have to trust your counsel then to make the case on your behalf.

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With thousands of cases and hundreds of barristers and solicitors,

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this series is a snapshot behind the scenes.

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The majority of Northern Ireland's barristers work out of

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the Bar Library in Belfast.

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Although they're all self-employed

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they pay fees for the office facilities

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including secretaries and research.

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Thousands of letters and files come in here every day,

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each envelope contains a legal problem

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that the barrister is paid to deal with.

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Suzanne Bradley specialises in employment law,

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often working for the Equality Commission.

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There's no legal aid for this type of law.

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The Commission has a limited budget

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so it can only take on cases that have an impact on all of us.

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There were two envelopes delivered.

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The bigger parcel contained what's called the Tribunal bundle,

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that large bundle contains all the pleadings in the case,

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all the documents,

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and lastly any records

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of the case management discussions that have taken place.

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When I'm reading the Tribunal bundle

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I'm looking to pick out the evidence,

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whether it be in pleadings, whether it be in documents.

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What I'm looking for is the evidence that will support my client's case.

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Suzanne has a religious discrimination case.

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Her client worked for a company that is mainly Brethren.

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Gavin, pleased to meet you again. Vicky, how are you?

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Suzanne's client says Brethren doing the same job as him

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had different pay and conditions.

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He says he was excluded from early morning meetings,

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motivational e-mails and lunch gatherings,

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as the faith does not allow non-Brethren to eat with them.

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He believes work was discussed at these times

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so he was denied opportunities.

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The company denies discrimination so it's going to Tribunal.

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This is a case were my client is making allegations

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that he has been less favourably treated on grounds of religion.

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He's alleging that he has been less favourably treated than

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comparators who are members of the Brethren community,

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who did the same job as him within the company

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and they were more favourably treated in a number of respects.

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So, Gavin, you will go first to give evidence.

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When you are sworn or you have affirmed,

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you cannot talk to anyone during the break, during the lunch breaks.

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If you're kept in the witness box overnight you can't talk to anyone.

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'I never thought that I would be involved in this sort of situation.

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'It is very daunting but I felt that with the advice'

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I'd been given, I needed to take my case forward

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for anyone in the future.

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Cases aren't always about people,

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sometimes they're about bricks and mortar.

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In 2012, Northern Ireland's Environment Minister

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gave permission to flatten this building.

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QC Ronan Lavery has been instructed to save it.

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The Athletic Stores case, it is a Judicial Review

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of the Planning Service's decision

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to permit demolition and rebuild.

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It's in a conservation area

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and the Planning Policy and Guidelines say it should be treated

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pretty much the same way as any listed building.

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It's simply an economic argument that is being used by the developer.

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If you apply profit

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to whether an historic building should be demolished or not

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I don't think there would be an historic building standing any more.

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Our client, the Ulster Architectural Heritage Society,

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thinks that this is an important case

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because it sets a precedent

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and any other listed building or building in a conservation area,

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one could argue for their demolition

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simply on the basis that the owner of the building

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couldn't turn a profit on it.

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There's added pressure,

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the person spearheading the client's case is also Ronan's wife, Rita,

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who is an architectural historian.

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There are very few of these buildings left in the city,

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there's only about eight of them, I think, in the city centre.

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And so it's very important to retain those links,

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those tangible links with the city's past.

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It is very important that the conservation area

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and the listed building policies are applied.

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If they're not applied in this case then there is every chance

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that they won't be applied in future cases

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so it sets a very damaging precedent

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and undermines the legislation and the policy

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that sets out to defend the buildings like this.

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They're seeking a judicial review

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into the Environment Minister's decision,

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making sure he properly followed the rules and regulations.

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Ronan's being assisted in this case by his father, Michael Lavery QC.

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The Department is judging the viability of the scheme

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from the point of the view of a developer.

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'My father didn't encourage any of us to follow law.'

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For a building to be viable, doesn't necessarily need to be profitable.

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No.

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'He talked about work a lot and it was interesting

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'but really we were given'

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absolute free rein to do whatever we wanted.

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Viable, it's like a life, I suppose, isn't it?

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It's whether you turn the machine off or not for this building.

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'He's been senior counsel'

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for a good few years more than I have.

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Since I took silk about a year and a half ago,

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the cases with him become less and less.

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This is one of the older cases

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that has been going on for about five years

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so we're still in it together.

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Anyone can get a report to say that building...

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Correct.

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'It's not a difficulty,

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'we just immediately change into professional mode

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'and that's the way we discuss a case.'

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Not as members of a family.

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Every year in Northern Ireland,

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hundreds of graduates compete for a career in law.

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Only the top students get a place to train as a barrister.

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Jason Elliott is one of the 32 offered the chance.

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Every profession is competitive and we try to do the best that we can.

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If you continue to do a good job and work hard

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and do your best for your client and whoever instructs you,

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you hope that you will continue to get the work but it is competitive.

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Every barrister spends a year training at the Institute.

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Knowing the law is one thing,

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being able to argue your client's case in court is another.

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Do you want to hear these or should we just go ahead and do it?

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OK, let's go.

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It is submitted that the respondent has acted within

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the relevant limitation period as set out under statute.

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You have to take your audience with you at every stage.

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Martin is a very competent advocate

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and any feedback that he gives is taken on board.

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Once you sense that they're becoming frustrated, lost,

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all of those human emotions,

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you must address that to re-engage your audience.

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Mock trials known as moots are a key training opportunity.

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This is a very serious competition,

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there's a competitive edge

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between us at the Institute and the King's Inn down at Dublin.

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The Institute has won it for the last two years

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so we're trying to make it three on the bounce.

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All stand.

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The Eoin Higgins Moot is one of the most significant

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as it's before three senior judges from Belfast and Dublin.

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A writ was served on the PSNI on the 30th April 2013.

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This is only four days after ICL had grounds for the proceedings.

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'There are marks for answering difficult questions from the bench

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'and there are very difficult questions

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'being bombarded down from the judges,'

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re-butting other points made by the opposing team,

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all of that comes together to form an overall score.

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The judges leave to make their decision.

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And this year Dublin has the edge.

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It's a vital lesson that every barrister learns -

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you win some, you lose some.

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Well, this experience has put me in far better stead,

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it's given me more experience,

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so when it does come to standing in court

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and making a submission to a judge in the Magistrates Court,

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or maybe to a jury this will help me

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because it's dealing with the pressure

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and being able to articulate what your client wants in the courtroom.

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Ronan's working on another Judicial Review called the Brownlee case.

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His client is challenging the Department of Justice.

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In 2012 Raymond Brownlee

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was convicted of false imprisonment and assault.

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But he can't hire a new barrister to oversee his sentencing plea.

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The problem is that in 2011, the Department of Justice,

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in a bid to cut the criminal legal aid bill, brought in new rules.

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There was no longer any provision

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for exceptional or unusual situations.

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The fee for this sentencing is £240.

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It's estimated there's five days' work,

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so it's less than the minimum wage.

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This is a case about legal aid.

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It's for an accused in a criminal case,

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who fell out with his first legal representative.

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The trial continued but the Judge felt it was appropriate for him

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to be represented by a new legal team at the sentencing hearing.

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We're challenging the rule structure,

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we're saying they should be effective enough

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to enable an individual to actually employ a lawyer.

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Ronan's client is sitting in jail.

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He's facing a severe punishment known as an indeterminate sentence.

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This means he will serve a number of years before the Parole Board

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decides if he can be released or not.

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Ronan's arguing the preparation for this sentencing

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will take five days of reading and research.

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Digesting large amounts of documentation is a key skill.

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I've always taken it as a rule of thumb that for reading documents

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you are allowed three minutes per page.

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What we heard today

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was that has been changed to one and a half minutes.

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It was suggested by someone in court

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that we're now going to have to work twice as fast.

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The fee allowable in this case

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is simply for the hearing itself

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and there's no provision whatsoever for the preparation time.

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Preparation is everything,

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and any person in any law school will say that.

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Preparation is everything.

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Ronan's client wins.

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The Department of Justice

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is ordered to provide proper access to a lawyer.

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But that's not the end of it. The Department challenges the judgment.

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It's make or break for Jason.

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He's preparing for his last exam.

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Pass, he can start his apprenticeship as a barrister.

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Fail, it's back to the drawing board.

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It's our final exam,

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it's the culmination of our time at the Institute.

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It's important to do well.

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Preparing the file is very important as well.

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It's not only useful for the exam on Wednesday,

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but it could be useful for practice

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because it includes a lot of procedural notes.

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I'm feeling quite confident.

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I've developed my notes from the start of the year.

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I've kept notes for each subject that we've done

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so I think I'm in a good position.

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Although the file is only part of it,

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we have to be able to look at the brief

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and see what issues actually arise so we can make use of the file,

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so obviously it depends on the day as well.

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It's a nervous wait,

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but Jason passes with flying colours.

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It's the beginning of his professional career,

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but before Jason earns a single penny

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he has to fork out nearly £700 on his professional kit.

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Come on over here.

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OK, have a look at yourself in the mirror there.

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It's a bit surreal, so it is, having it on for the first time.

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But, no, I think it looks really well.

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Can't wait to be called, having the shirt and the bands,

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the collar on as well.

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Yeah, really can't wait.

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If it is pristine then you're seen as the junior Bar,

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they know you have just been called,

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the more tatty it is, they see that you've got experience.

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I've heard a few stories about people sitting on them in the car,

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wiping up coffee stains,

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just generally throwing them about

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and giving them a bit of rough handling, I'd say.

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But I don't think I'll be doing that yet,

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I'll let my parents see it first in pristine condition.

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It's the day of the Judicial Review into the government decision

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to allow the demolition of The Athletic Stores.

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The result in this case will have far reaching consequences

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as it will affect buildings not just in Northern Ireland

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but across the whole of the UK.

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A lot rests on this, this is a very, very important case for us.

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When you get to this point, all the work you have done,

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that's well and good, but that is out of your control,

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you have to trust your counsel to make the case on your behalf.

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You get quite nervous to see whether you will hear that presented

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in the way that you expect that to be.

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But it is an amazing feat to be able to distil that and to make the case,

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as we could never do as clients, we do not have that expertise.

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This morning we're starting to present our claim

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for religious discrimination.

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Particularly in a case as this one is,

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which is supported by the Equality Commission.

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I've given an opinion to them,

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to say it's a case with a reasonable prospect of success,

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so to that extent, yes, I suppose there is a degree of apprehension

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and I hope that I will be proved right in that opinion.

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The religious discrimination case is being heard in Belfast.

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Fair Employment Tribunals are very different to courts,

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they were set up as informal gatherings

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to solve problems between employers and employees.

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The whole ethos behind the tribunals was that initially

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persons would be able to come in and represent themselves.

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That's why it is set out in a much more informal manner.

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It's not as informal as it was initially intended to be.

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The same procedure of examining a claimant

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in evidence in chief and cross examination applies.

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The fact that you have to go through those same procedural steps

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and cross examine someone,

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really can make it equally as daunting as a court appearance.

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The case takes five days to hear the evidence and legal arguments.

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All the client can do is wait for the decision

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that will be posted out in several weeks' time.

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What were your views on how it ran?

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'I'm very happy with the way it has ran.'

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I don't think there's been anything left unsaid

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regarding the whole case.

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'It's very nerve-racking.

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'And it's very intense,

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but I just wanted to put my story across

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the best way I could to the panel

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and I believe I did so, so I'm happy with my evidence.

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Previously Ronan successfully represented

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his client Raymond Brownlee

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when he challenged the Department of Justice about access to legal aid.

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But that decision was taken to the Court of Appeal

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and Ronan's about to hear the result.

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We're down to take judgment in the Brownlee legal aid case.

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You want to win because it's an adversarial system,

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but you've a certain detachment as well,

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a professional detachment,

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because you don't have a personal interest in the outcome of the case.

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It's somebody else's interest at stake.

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This time the judges don't agree with Ronan's arguments.

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We lost.

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The basis of the decision

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was that once our client had dismissed his counsel

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in the criminal trial, that he wasn't entitled to new counsel.

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But it doesn't end there.

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Ronan's client is given permission

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to go to the highest court in the UK, the Supreme Court in London.

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Ronan has the morning to set out his arguments

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as to why he feels the Court of Appeal in Belfast is wrong.

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The Supreme Court will make the final ruling on the issue.

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For most barristers this is the ultimate court experience.

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This is my first time in the Supreme Court. It's a challenge.

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But you should have the skills

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to deal with this from your experience in other courts.

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My expectation is that it will be

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a little bit like the Court of Appeal, only up a level.

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I don't know. I don't know.

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Cameras are not banned in this court so proceedings can be filmed.

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There's going to be five Supreme Court Justices.

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We will present our appeal first.

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We've already made written submissions

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so it will be a question and answer session by the five judges.

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Our case is that there should be an exceptionality provision.

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Right, so are you putting all your eggs

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into the exceptionality point,

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and if not what's your fall back position?

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There should, in line with other jurisdictions,

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be an exceptionality provision.

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Yes, but suppose we are against you on that?

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If you are against us on that

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then one might have to look at the facts of this individual case.

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'To be debating and arguing a topic

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'before five of the finest'

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legal minds in the country is a privilege.

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One has to simply look at the rules

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and say whether they give effect to the 1981 Order.

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'The Brownlee case goes to the heart of the criminal justice system'

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and unless you're going to make

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everybody in society millionaires overnight,

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the State is going to have to provide funding to those people.

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Thank you very much.

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Mr Attorney.

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Ronan's opponent, the Department of Justice

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is represented by Northern Ireland's Attorney General.

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A and B seem to me

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to concentrate one's mind on, is it going to be more work?

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Yes, well...

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That's the point in this case.

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The evidence is that it probably wouldn't take a great deal of time

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to come to grips with the case.

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How do you measure time and skill

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if you leave out altogether

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an examination of individual cases?

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But we don't, My Lord,

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it's done by reference to the size of the case,

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the physical size of the case.

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So you simply look at the number of pages and that's that.

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There's no room for an exceptionality provision ever?

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Yes, because provision is already made for it in general terms.

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Is there a rational connection

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between having regard to the cost of public funds

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and saying that we will not under any circumstances

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allow any exception to these figures?

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Yes, My Lord,

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because the Justice budget of which the legal budget is a part,

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has to contend for space

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against a huge number of other competing demands.

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Yes, of course.

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Ronan's client has been sitting in prison

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awaiting sentence since June 2012.

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The judges announce an interim decision

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so that his sentencing can proceed.

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We grant permission to appeal,

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we allow the appeal to the limited extent

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of declaring that the current regulations

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are unlawful to the extent of having,

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not including a provision which,

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to its credit the Department of Justice

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has conceded in paragraph 3.6 and 3.16.

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Well, it went very well, we won.

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You never count your chickens before they hatch

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but we had certainly expected a positive outcome.

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I didn't want to say that before we went in,

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but certainly in the back of our minds

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we were confident about our case.

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What I enjoyed was the informal, discursive environment

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where really it was a collaboration

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in terms of trying to get to what the law is or should be.

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Rather than something necessarily adversarial or combative.

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Overall, tremendous experience.

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Jason's at the Royal Courts of Justice

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for the opening of the New Legal Year.

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Along with other new barristers he's taking part

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in a formal ceremony admitting him to the profession.

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Then there's a year of apprenticeship known as a pupillage

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when Jason will learn the craft

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as he works alongside a senior barrister known as a master.

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There's an atmosphere of excitement,

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it's been a long summer for all of us, really.

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It's the start of a new chapter,

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we've done a lot of our academic work,

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through our degree of law, then the Institute as well,

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so this is the start of our career, essentially.

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31 of you are here today for two purposes.

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One, to be admitted to the degree of Barrister of Law,

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the second is to be called to the Bar.

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That's the start of our pupillage,

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the first six months are non-practicing.

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Mr Jason Elliott.

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If you go into anything else, you start as a trainee

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and you shadow someone more senior than you

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and that's the way it works at the Bar.

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You shadow your master

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and you learn the tricks of the trade, so to speak.

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If you go into any biography of any barrister,

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one of the first things will be their year of Call,

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and it's the thing that every barrister will remember,

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not only career wise but also as a personal goal.

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I'm going to sign two books,

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the first is the Roll of Barristers in Northern Ireland

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and the second is the membership

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of the Inn of Court of Northern Ireland.

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Every barrister that gets called signs the book, signs both books.

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That's me signed the books,

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now off to go down to the Nisi Prius

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to get called by the Lord Chief Justice.

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The new beginning of the legal year is marked by a formal procession.

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As the representative of Northern Ireland's barristers,

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Mark Mulholland QC attends.

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The judges, and Mark as Bar chairman, pay respect to each other

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to highlight the profession's roles and duties in the justice system.

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This is a new legal year, this is the new term starting.

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First of all we have our call to the Bar of our new pupil barristers.

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And the formal procession led by our Lord Chief Justice

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and the High Court judiciary in advance of that call.

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I was called in this term exactly 20 years ago,

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this very week,

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and where has 20 years gone?

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It has absolutely flown.

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Certainly for those who are now coming to the Bar,

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there are perhaps different challenges than I had to face,

0:28:030:28:06

greater numbers, greater competition

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but you would like to think with that

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there is a high quality of young barrister

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who is highly motivated and committed and dedicated

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to start at the outset of this great profession

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and to work very hard and succeed at it.

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