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-Come on! -On the run... -Get back here! | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
-..and over here. -Hands out, now! Hands out! | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
When foreign criminals flee their home countries, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
many hide out in the UK. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
-Give me your hands! -But if they think they are safe, they're wrong. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
They know they are wanted. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:18 | |
A lot of these people are waiting for that knock on the door. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
But the traffic in fugitives isn't all one way. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
Across Europe, there are hundreds of British criminals also trying to | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
escape justice. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
From the sun-drenched Costas, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
to the busy streets of the Dutch capital, | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
this is how the police take down the fugitives... | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
You're under arrest under the Extradition Act. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
Police officer! | 0:00:44 | 0:00:45 | |
..both at home and abroad. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
In today's programme... | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
it's double trouble for these officers as they go searching for | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
two wanted men in one small Yorkshire town. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
We're going to go | 0:01:06 | 0:01:07 | |
200 metres up the road and do the other one. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
But finding the fugitives won't be easy. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
Am I going to be OK to walk past that dog and go upstairs? | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
In London, a helpful suspect introduces detectives to technology | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
to overcome their language barrier. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
COMPUTERISED VOICE SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
I love this thing! | 0:01:26 | 0:01:27 | |
It is going to revolutionise extradition police work, this. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
-It's fantastic. -And let down by a false passport, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
the drug dealer on the run for over a decade, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
captured by chance in Amsterdam. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
We said, "We are in contact with the police of Liverpool," and then he | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
said, "Oh, no. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
"You got me." | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
When it comes to tracking down men and women fleeing from justice in | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
other countries, West Yorkshire Police is one of the busiest forces | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
in the business. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:03 | |
Today, police officers Dave Lockwood and Tom Allen are out, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
hunting down not one, but two foreign fugitives. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
It would be nice if we got him. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
The two wanted men live quite literally around the corner from | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
one another. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:21 | |
The first target is a Polish man called Roman Horbik, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
wanted for crimes committed a long time ago. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
So, just to summarise, Tom, two offences, first one is fraud, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
where he has done them 12 withdrawals... | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
-Oh, right. -..of cash from the bank, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:37 | |
and then the second one is hiding the stolen car. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
Dave thinks the wanted man has probably forgotten all about it. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
If you committed an offence and someone came tapping at your door | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
15 years later, you'd be surprised as well. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
-15 years? -Yeah. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
They arrive at the address and see a car parked outside. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
Dave runs a check on the number plate. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
-His car. -His car. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
-It is a match. -See if he's in. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
They go up to the door to check who's home. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
One thing is certain... | 0:03:15 | 0:03:16 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
..there's a dog inside. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
A very large dog. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
Telly's on, Dave. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
Woof. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
Hiya, love. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:36 | |
-Hello. -Hi. -Are you OK? | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
-Yeah. -How many people is in the house? | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
-Now, three. -Who is in the house? | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
My baby... | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
Just children, no adults in your house? | 0:03:45 | 0:03:46 | |
No. No, I'm no good speaking English, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
-but... -It sounds really good to me. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
Does anybody else live here that is not here now? | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
Erm... Yes, my husband only, but he work now. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
He's at work. And what is he called? | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
-Roman Horbik. -Roman. OK. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
The woman confirms that the man they are after is her husband. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
She says he is not here, but Dave is not convinced. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
He wants to see for himself. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
Just let him calm... | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
Am I going to be OK to walk past that dog and go upstairs? | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
But first, he'll have to get past the dog. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Just you hold the dog there. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
-OK? -The German Shepherd isn't too pleased to see police officers | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
-in the house. -You been bitten yet, Dave? | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
No, but it is... It's a vicious dog. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
Just checking upstairs, mate, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
and then we'll get her to ring him if he's not here. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
Once he gets past the barking dog, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
Dave checks upstairs for the man they are looking for. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
What I'm doing, love, I'm just making sure there's no-one here, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
then I'll talk to you and explain what we are doing, OK? | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
OK, you can watch me go around, there's no problems with that. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
There's no sign of him. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
Dave finds out the man works as a builder and is due back home | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
-in a couple of hours. -I don't know, maybe two hours. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
-Two hours' time? -Yeah. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
OK, shall we come downstairs, back outside or into the kitchen? | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
-Yeah. -Do you want to hold that dog of yours? | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
-Tom. -Hello. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:20 | |
You can come round, it's clear. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
HE TALKS TO DOG | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
Yeah, you can come and meet the dog if you want. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
The woman can't reach her husband. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
So Dave makes arrangements to come back later, when he is home. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
All right, I'll leave you my details. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
I've got my phone on me, so when Roman gets home, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
just give us a text, OK? | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
I'll see you between half-seven and eight o'clock. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
Here. All right? | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
All right, take care. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:43 | |
But how will the fugitive, who has evaded justice for 15 years, react | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
once he finds out the police are looking for him? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
This is where I struggle to always see the worst in people and presume | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
they're not going to cooperate, but they've got kids here and one of | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
the kids is poorly, so whether he is going to do owt silly and | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
panic and run or come home for his tea, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
I guess we'll find out in two or three hours' time, won't we? | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
But at least Dave and Tom haven't far to go for the next job. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
It seems that the small town of Batley is also home to another man | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
on the run. This time from Hungary. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
We're going to go | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
200 metres up the road and do the other one. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
Though, when they get there, it's not the warmest of receptions. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
-Hello. -Hello. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
-What is your name, please? -Hmm? | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
What is your name? | 0:06:35 | 0:06:36 | |
Back in 2003, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
police in Aberdeen were battling a growing problem. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
Suppliers from Liverpool were trafficking large quantities of | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
hard drugs into the city. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:53 | |
They're involved in sourcing kilo quantities of heroin | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
from Liverpool, we know that they were spending tens of thousands of | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
pounds on heroin and making significantly more than that selling | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
it in Aberdeen. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:05 | |
Detectives learned that a courier from Liverpool was about to deliver | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
heroin to the area. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
If they could spot him, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
they knew he would lead them to the local dealers. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
This is where we had intelligence that our subjects were going to be | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
meeting with a drug courier and collecting controlled drugs, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
so we put a surveillance team in this area. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
Then one of the undercover team hoping to spot the drugs handover | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
was approached by a stranger. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
At about 9:30 that morning, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
a male approached that surveillance officer and asked him if he was | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
there to pick something up. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
So, obviously that focused our attention on him. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
He spoke with a Liverpool accent, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:51 | |
and we thought that might be one of the people we were interested in. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
The unlucky courier who had identified himself to the undercover | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
cop was Scott Coleman. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
The officer kept watching. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
Within minutes, Coleman was meeting | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
a local dealer already on their radar. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
Another officer saw him getting into the passenger seat of a white | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
Vauxhall Cavalier, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
which was known to us and had featured in our operation prior to that. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
The driver of that car drove Coleman to here, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
where Coleman jumped out of the car and headed back towards the | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
guesthouse. Pretty innocuous for a member of the public, but to us, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
we thought that a drugs handover had occurred, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
just with intelligence and what we had seen. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
Scott Coleman may only have been a courier, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
but he had blown the whole drug dealing operation wide open. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
He was arrested in a pub near Aberdeen station. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
He was totally upfront with the police when he was stopped, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
quite unusually, and immediately said that he had more gear | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
in his rucksack. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Police found another kilo of heroin when they searched Coleman. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
It had been meant for another dealer. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
Unusually, Coleman was quite honest in his answers. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
He said that he had been offered £1,500 to take what he thought was | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
either cocaine or heroin from Liverpool to Aberdeen, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
and deliver to two different people. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:41 | |
Coleman was charged with drugs offences, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
but was granted bail and subsequently disappeared. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:51 | |
For two years, there was no sign of him, until he offended again, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
this time in Spain. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
He had obviously gone from being a drug courier to having a more senior | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
position and was actually involved in the arrangement of importation, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
so he was obviously still offending, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
and offending at a higher level. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
But Coleman wasn't going to give up on his life as an international | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
drugs dealer. Amazingly, the Spanish authorities also granted him bail. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:21 | |
Lo and behold, he disappeared once more. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
For the next decade, he would be a fugitive, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
on the run and hiding from justice. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
In London, the extradition unit | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
is an elite squad of Metropolitan Police detectives. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Police. Can you open the door, please? | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
They work round the clock, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
tracking down foreign criminals hiding here in the UK. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
It's 5:30am and Detective Sergeant Pete Rance is out on the streets | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
of east London, hunting for a fugitive. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
This morning we're looking at trying to arrest a fellow who is wanted in | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
Moldova for a fraud committed in 2010. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:18 | |
The man he's searching for is accused of giving false details | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
while applying for a loan. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
If police find the man they are after, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
he faces being sent back to Moldova to stand trial. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
Police. Can you open the door? | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
Pete has found the address linked to the man, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
and it looks like he is home. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:44 | |
There is a warrant that has been issued for your arrest in Moldova. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
OK? | 0:11:51 | 0:11:52 | |
In Moldova. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:55 | |
There is a warrant for your arrest in London, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
you are wanted for fraud in Moldova. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
Do you understand? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
The vast majority of them, English isn't their first language, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
so it is a real ongoing issue for us. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
And we are dependent, in the main, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
on them being able to speak English to us, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
rather than us being able to speak with them in their language. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
The man they've arrested only speaks Romanian, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
and his wife is acting as a translator. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
Could you tell him, so he understands what's happening? | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
SHE SPEAKS ROMANIAN | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
He will know what is happening this afternoon. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
He'll know if he can come home here or if he has to stay in prison. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:47 | |
But he will only be able to come home here, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
he must give up his passport and his identity card, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
otherwise the judge will not give him bail. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
Any passport he has, he has to give to me, OK? | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
Otherwise... He has to give it to me. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
Does he have an ID card as well? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
This one, yeah. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:04 | |
OK. Are we ready? Let's go. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
Pete will now transport the man to a custody suite in central London, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
but explaining that to him is difficult, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
as there is no-one to translate during the journey. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
I've had many, many cases where | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
you are unable to communicate, you end up arresting someone, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
you are not sure they understand, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
apart from being able to issue them with a copy of the warrant in their | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
own language. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
This arrest has been a journey of discovery for Pete. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
On the way here, the man he is bringing into custody has shown Pete | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
how to use a translation app on his phone. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
How do you get it to...? | 0:13:47 | 0:13:48 | |
We might have to wait a little while. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
ELECTRONIC VOICE TRANSLATES | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
-No problem. -OK. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
It's great. I love this thing! | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
It is going to revolutionise extradition police work, this. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
It's fantastic. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:09 | |
Thank you. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
It was very, very useful. I had never seen it before, so I'm not... | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
I'm a bit of a technophobe, unfortunately, but he was... | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
We were able to have quite an in-depth conversation using this app. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
This smartphone app can translate between more than 50 languages. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
And it is making the process of checking into custody much | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
less stressful than usual. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
ELECTRONIC VOICE TRANSLATES | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
All the legal documents are still provided in the arrested man's own language, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:51 | |
and he will also have access to the official language line translator, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
but technology has definitely made conversation much easier. | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
We'll do the fingerprints. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:01 | |
I'll get a DNA bag and get you to swipe that. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
It's a wonderful thing. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:06 | |
He has enlightened me this morning. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:09 | |
He used it to ask me some questions, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
because he was concerned about the fact that he had been arrested, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
concerned about what was going to happen to him, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
so we've been able to reassure him in the car that the judge will | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
consider the request and he can make his representations through his | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
lawyer when he gets to court. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
But all of those things we've been able to articulate and speak with | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
him about through the... | 0:15:29 | 0:15:30 | |
through the translating app that he had on his phone, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
so it may be that we've... | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
we've hit on something today. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
In West Yorkshire, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:47 | |
police officers Dave Lockwood and Tom Allen had been trying to track | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
down two fugitives living a stone's throw from one another. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
We are going to go | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
200 metres up the road and do the other one. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
The first man they're after is wanted for offences he committed | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
in Poland 15 years ago. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
At the man's house, they find his car, his wife | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
and his dog, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
but the man himself is out at work. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
They are hoping he will return in a few hours. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
Whether he's going to do owt silly and panic and run or come home for | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
his tea, I guess we'll find out in two or three hours' time, won't we? | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
Meanwhile, they make the very short journey to the home of the other | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
criminal they are looking for. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:31 | |
This man is Hungarian, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
and back home he has been convicted of a series of burglaries carried | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
out between 2010 and 2012. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
At the house, Dave covers the back exit while Tom knocks on | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
the front door. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:16:50 | 0:16:51 | |
Another dog for you, Dave. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
You can deal with this one. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:54 | |
Sounds soft compared to mine. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
The door is answered, but this resident doesn't have much to say. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
-What is your name, please? -Hmm? | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
What is your name? Dave, we've got a houseful here. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
Do you know anybody called Tibor? | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
-Tibor? -Yeah. -Tibor? -No. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
No. Right. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
Is it all right if I just come in and speak to you, yeah? | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
We are making some enquiries. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
Tom and Dave make their way inside to find out more. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
Do you know anybody by that name? | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
Don't know. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
Could you ask your mum if she knows him? | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
THEY SPEAK OWN LANGUAGE | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
-Hello. -Hello. -What is your name, please? | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
My name is David Paksy. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
-David? -Yes. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:39 | |
Right. Is that you? | 0:17:39 | 0:17:40 | |
The man at the kitchen table looks familiar. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
Dave. It is this lad in the kitchen here. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
It's him. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:47 | |
Tibor Paksy. They've got their man. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
So you are under arrest. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
-Why? -Because, in Hungary, you are suspected of committing burglary, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
all right? You don't have to say anything, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
but anything you do say may be given in evidence. Do you understand? | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
As Dave and Tom explain to the fugitive that he has ten months left | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
to serve in a Hungarian prison, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
the family begins to understand the seriousness of the situation. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
SHE SOBS | 0:18:12 | 0:18:13 | |
Dave and Tom don't waste any time getting this man into custody. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
And then, on their way back to the police station, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
Dave gets an unexpected phone call. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
It is the first man they were looking for earlier in the day. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
Are you at home now, are you? | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
Oh, right, well, I tell you what, I know you've just got home from work, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
why don't you grab yourself some tea, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
and I'll come and see you in the next hour, hour and a half, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
and come and have a chat with you? | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
-Is that OK? -It's OK. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
Thanks for ringing me. I'll come and see you soon. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
-OK, thank you. -Cheers. Thank you, bye-bye. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
Days like this make up for the long days when you are really struggling, | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
when you go to address after address and you don't get anything, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
so it just shows, even after seven years of doing this, you just... | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
You just don't know how it is going to play out. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
Once they have the Hungarian burglar in custody, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
they head back out to arrest the man who called Dave earlier. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
I have no doubt he has not a clue what this is about, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
so we're going to go in there, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:22 | |
hope his kids are in bed so they don't have to witness this, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
and we will talk him through it. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:26 | |
Back in 2003, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
drug courier Scott Coleman was arrested transporting heroin | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
from Liverpool to Aberdeen. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
But he evaded justice, fleeing from Scotland whilst on bail. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
In 2005, he was arrested again for drug offences in Spain. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
And again he went on the run. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
This time staying under the radar for a long time. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
There's a number of ways in which people can hide themselves. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
They can hide themselves through fellow criminal enterprises, so, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
you know, they've | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
been given accommodation, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
given cover and support by criminal organisations. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
Or they can go further afield. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:15 | |
It would be a decade before the Liverpudlian drug courier would | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
resurface again. This time in Amsterdam. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
For many years, serious crime officers in the city have worked | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
closely with their counterparts on Merseyside. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
When you are wanted, we have good cooperation with the UK | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
we have focused intelligence, and every chance we get to get people, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:44 | |
we take. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:45 | |
In 2015, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
a group of officers patrolling Gershwin Square in the business | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
district of Amsterdam stopped a group of men | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
who were acting suspiciously. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
Colleagues saw that a known Dutch criminal | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
was talking to somebody else, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
on a corner, and they just went to check, "Hey, what is going on?" | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
So that was the trigger. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
Steven van Dokkum was one of the officers who spotted the group. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:17 | |
We decided to stop them and we | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
wanted to see their passports and what they were doing here. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
We asked them if they know each other. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
They said no, but we had seen them talking to each other. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
So we started asking them some questions | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
about what they were doing here, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
and we checked our police systems to see if they were... | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
..if something comes up. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
Scott Coleman was using a false Irish passport, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
something many fugitives rely on, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
and he was now going by the name Wheeler. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
Immediately, the Dutch were suspicious | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
because he couldn't provide certain | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
details that tallied up with the passport, | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
he didn't really know that much information about it, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
so they obviously wanted to dig... Dig further. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
Officers questioned Coleman about his supposed life back in Ireland. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
Can I phone your father? | 0:22:11 | 0:22:12 | |
Can I phone your mother? | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
Can I phone your school, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:15 | |
where you were in school a couple of years ago? | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
He said, "No, no, no. No, that is not possible." | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
So he did not give any information to check. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
The authorities were soon able to confirm that the passport was false. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:33 | |
One big giveaway, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
the Mr Wheeler described on the passport | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
was a considerably shorter man. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
It should be 175. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
But he was taller than me, and I am 187. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
So that was very strange. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
Coleman was arrested on suspicion of carrying a false passport. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
But then the Dutch discovered they had arrested a drug dealer, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
wanted in the UK and Spain. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
We took his fingerprints and | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
we sent them all over Europe, then we got identification from Spain. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
It was time for the Dutch police to reveal they knew who he was. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
He asked us, "How long will it take? | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
"Because I have to go, I have important things to do, I'd like to go. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
"How long will it take?" And then we said, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
"Yes, we are in contact with the police of Liverpool, Merseyside Police. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
"Depending how quick they are." | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
And then he said, "Oh, no. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
"You got me." | 0:23:31 | 0:23:32 | |
Coleman had been on the run since 2003. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
It was finally time to send him home to face justice. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
It was really satisfying, it was... | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
Especially when we heard | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
he wasn't the guy he said he was. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
It was a real... A great feeling. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
A lot about policing is to do with luck. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
We only need that piece of luck on one occasion to actually get what we | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
are looking for. And, you know, Coleman fell foul of that in Aberdeen, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
and again in Amsterdam. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
Ultimately, you know, the authorities will always catch up with you. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
In West Yorkshire, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:22 | |
police officers Dave Lockwood and Tom Allen are having a good day. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
You don't have to say anything, but anything you do say may be given in | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
evidence. Do you understand? | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
Earlier, they arrested this man wanted in Hungary for three burglaries. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
And then, on the way back to the police station, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
Dave gets a call from the other man they've been looking for. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
Roman Horbik is a convicted fraudster with a prison sentence | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
waiting for him in Poland. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
Are you at home now, are you? | 0:24:53 | 0:24:54 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
All right, well, I tell you what, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
why don't you grab yourself some tea and I'll come and see you | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
in the next hour, hour and a half, and I'll come and have a chat with you? | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
Now, they are on their way to arrest him for crimes | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
he committed in Poland 15 years ago. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
-Hi, Roman. Hi. -DOG BARKS | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
Are we OK to come in? Thank you. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
Are your children...? Children gone to bed? | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
-Yes. -Yeah. Shut the door so we can't hear the dog. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
-Thank you for ringing me. -Yeah. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
Do you speak really good English? | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
Not really good, but OK. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:29 | |
-If I talk slow... -Yes. -Right. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
Thanks for ringing me. We've come back. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
Obviously you didn't know, because I didn't explain properly, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
why we are here. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:37 | |
There is no other way of saying this. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
It is bad news, I'm afraid. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:41 | |
There is a problem in Poland. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
Right. There's two offences the Polish have issued a warrant for | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
your arrest for. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
That is an offence of fraud | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
and an offence of handling a stolen vehicle. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
Did you know something about this? | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
Is it come as a shock or... | 0:25:57 | 0:25:58 | |
did you expect it? | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
No, I did not expect. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:01 | |
Just as Dave thought, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
the wanted man clearly hasn't a clue why the police are here. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
Basically, they've said, in 2001, I know it was a long time ago, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
15 years ago, they are saying you've withdrawn loads of money from | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
the bank and not paid the money back. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
-Yes, yes. -You know something about that? | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
-Right. -Finally, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
it seems the wanted man remembers what it is he has to answer for. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
So I am arresting you on a European Arrest Warrant for an offence | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
of fraud and handling stolen goods. So you do not have to say anything, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
but anything you do say may be given in evidence, OK? | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
Yes. I hope I come back tomorrow. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
As long as you can satisfy your bail conditions, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
I don't think you'll have a problem. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
OK? | 0:26:38 | 0:26:39 | |
He went up and gave all his kids a hug and a kiss, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
and spoke to his missus a little bit in private. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
You know, there is no need for us to stop that. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
We've got what we need. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:52 | |
If that keeps him a bit calmer while he is with us, then so be it. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
Horbik is taken into custody, where he will join Tibor Paksy, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
the Hungarian burglar Dave and Tom arrested earlier in the day. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
Sergeant, this is Roman Horbik, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
he has been arrested by myself at 8:40pm this evening. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
Tomorrow morning, both Horbik and Paksy will be taken to London to | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
appear before a judge at an extradition hearing in Westminster Magistrates' Court. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
OK, Roman. There is a blanket on there for you. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
And there is a buzzer on the wall, just there. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
That goes through to the front desk, so if you don't feel well or you need anything, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
water or anything like that, push the button, let us know, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
all right? OK? | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
These... Both of them, 200 metres apart, both addresses. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
Totally unconnected, different people. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
We went for two and got two. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
Roman Horbik was extradited back to Poland, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
to serve the rest of his prison sentence for fraud. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
Persistent burglar Tibor Paksy has been sent back to Hungary to serve | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
the remaining time on his sentences. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
A judge decided to refuse the Moldovan government's request | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
to extradite the man who was arrested by the Metropolitan Police for fraud. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
In November 2015, drug runner Scott Coleman | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
was extradited back to the UK. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
He was sentenced to five years behind bars. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
And when that is done, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
he will have to serve another three years in a Spanish prison. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 |