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An estimated one in six people in Britain live in social housing. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
And in the current economic climate, the waiting lists are growing every week. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
For every person you make happy, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
there's probably going to be three or four times as many who are disappointed. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
-Britain's housing officers are on the front line. -Janette, can you let me in? | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
It's just like nothing like you've ever smelt before. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
They deal with over 11 million tenants day in, day out. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
-I don't believe you've let him out! -Most are good tenants. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
But a few risk everything with their antisocial behaviour. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
His tenancy is on a knife-edge. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
If they want to try and take it, they'll have to take it with me on it. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
Eviction is the last thing that we want to do. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
And we've got to do it for the sake of the community. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
Every week there's a different set of problems. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
The information this morning from the caretaker | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
was that he hasn't been seen for around four weeks. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
It's the first dead body I've had, so an insight for me as well, really. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
They've been in such distress from race hate abuse | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
and screaming obscenities at them. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
It's clearly targeting that garden. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
It just seems to be growing, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
the amount of tubs that we've got in the kitchen. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
It's like a Japanese concept to achieve a Zen atmosphere, Zen effect. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
In another six months, it's going to be up to the window sills. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
27-year-old Cat Towl has only been a housing officer for two years. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
She looks after nearly 1,000 properties in Salford, west of Manchester. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
And most of them are flats. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
Cat's been called out to an emergency in one of her high-rise blocks, | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
where over half the residents live on their own. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
-Hello, Catherine from City West, hi. -Hi, I'm Rob, this is Phil, my partner. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
-Who have you received the call from this morning? -We're from the Coroner's Service. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
OK, if we head up to the sixth then and I can let you know... | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
what's gone on this morning. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
I received a call from the caretaker, um, to advise that there was a smell coming from um, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
one of the floors in the high rise, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
and the police have put the door through and advised us that they have, er, recovered a dead body. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
It's been confirmed by paramedics, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
so I presume the cause now comes to yourselves. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
Yes, to effect a removal. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
It's the first dead body I've had, so an insight for me as well, really. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
LIFT: 'Mind the doors.' | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
-The information that we got is that we're going to need extra men. -Right. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
We've no idea what we're going to find, until we get there... | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
-What would, what would that suggest? -It could be a large person. It could be decomposed. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
-Yeah. -It could be breaking up, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
so there could be quite a lot of issues we may have to deal with. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
They did advise me that they felt that the body had been in there for a number of weeks | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
and was very badly decomposed. Is that why you need more people to help you to remove the body? | 0:03:05 | 0:03:11 | |
It may be, it may be, but maybe not. It depends, cos we just act on the scant information. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:17 | |
And we can't tell what we need till we get on site and do our own risk assessment. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:23 | |
OK, I think I'll wait here and I'll catch up with you. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
-Thank you. -I'll get you some feedback later. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
He's badly decomposed. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:35 | |
So he's got to go into a body bag | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
and then he has to go into another bag, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
so we can actually manage him down to our ambulance, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
-and then take him from there. -OK. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
So we've just got to go in there and put disaster suits on. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
-So you'll be in all white... -Disposable suit, yeah. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
Yeah, just like you see on the TV. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
All Cat knows at the moment is that the flat was rented by a man | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
called John Leigh. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
And that he is probably the deceased. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
Before I came out to the flat, I did a background check on our systems in the office. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
He's been a tenant with us since 1988, um, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
and I checked the date of birth just to see | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
if that could help with identifying the body. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
Um, the gentleman's 65 years old, um, I'd imagine that's why CID come out | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
and do the investigations and make sure there's nothing untoward. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
I don't know what it smells like. It's just like nothing like you've ever smelt before. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:33 | |
I'm not particularly looking forward to going into the property | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
once the police have handed back to us. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
I'm sure you can see some of the flies that have filled the communal areas now the doors are open. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:47 | |
-So you're going to follow us? -Yeah. -We'll just close the flat up then? -Yeah. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
It's been four weeks since Mr Leigh was last seen. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
And one of Cat's first jobs will be to try and find any relatives. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
Obviously with it being the first death that I've come across, it's quite upsetting. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
One of the things that's upsetting me is that | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
somebody's lived so closely to other people, living in high rise, um, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:17 | |
it is shared, it is communal living and it's thrown me, I think, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
to realise that these people still live very private and separate lives. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
It makes me wonder what I would be like with my neighbours | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
if I thought I hadn't seen my neighbour for four weeks. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
I don't know whether I would just ignore that. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
Whether they're housed in a high-rise flat, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
a maisonette or a family home, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
those that make it to the top of the social housing list | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
rarely get to choose their neighbours. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
On a pre-war estate west of Manchester, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
one new family from Poland are having problems being accepted. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
For the last two months, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
they've been the victims of a hate campaign by a gang of local youths. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
This is the second time the family have been victimised. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
Jill Swann-Hunter is their housing officer. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
She took on their case after they were moved off their last estate. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:07 | |
They subjected them to a horrific and quite long attack - | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
both physically and mentally. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
They...they threw lit paper through the letterbox. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
They er, taunted them, they threw eggs at the house. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
They, er, surrounded the car with our Polish father in, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
and threw bottles at it, taunting him, of the nature, "I'm going to kill you." | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
The family were forced to flee in the middle of the night | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
and were re-housed in a new area. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
Dad Tomas had hoped this move would be a new start. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
But with new attacks starting up, he has gone to the extraordinary measure | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
of installing six of his own CCTV cameras. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
Because they're very dangerous situation, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
four camera on the front and the two cameras on the back. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
Now I'm seeing everything, now I'm recording everything. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
This new spate of attacks are particularly worrying. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
It's exhibiting the symptoms of what happened last time. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
We have to look at it immediately with the attitude | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
of zero tolerance to these actions. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
To nip them in the bud and ensure that the family | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
are able to continue their lives without fear. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
-Hello. Eva. Can we come in? -Yes, of course. -Thank you. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
You're welcome. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:42 | |
-Are we in here today? -Hi. -Hi, Tomas, OK? -Yeah, all right. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
OK, well, I've e-mailed the police. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
-Yeah. -I'm just waiting for them to get back to me. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
Obviously you do have the fireworks coming in, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
you've had quite a few incidences, haven't you, | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
where the fireworks have come in via the front and also your back garden. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
So you think that they feel that they are doing it because you can't retaliate. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
-Attack. -What's she's sure about. -Yeah. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
-And they think they can do anything cos they know they're not going to get done for that. -Yeah. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
The problem, as you both are aware, is that your CCTV cameras | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
have picked up who they are, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
but it's in the dark and they have hoods on. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
-Yeah, that's why. -So positive identification is very difficult. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
Um, do you think that it is deliberately targeting | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
the family because you aren't from England? | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
-Yeah. -Right, OK. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
It's terrible that people still... | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
We're not ready to move again, we don't want to | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
cos we're not going to run away for ages, all our lives. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
We just want to, to sit down and have a normal life. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
More than 20,000 over-65-year-olds | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
die alone in England every year. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
It's an issue housing associations can't ignore. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
It's been two weeks since John Leigh's body was discovered. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
The purpose of today is to look at what actually happened | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
and is there any way in which we could have noticed that that he'd died earlier. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
So far, the housing association haven't found a next of kin. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
And today they are carrying out an internal investigation. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
So currently what we've got is in January, that was the last known contact on the 19th. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
So is there anything else that happened? | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
Yeah, then between the week beginning the 24th October | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
and ending the 28th, um, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
CCTV was installed | 0:11:04 | 0:11:05 | |
which would have meant the caretaker was allowed access. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
So was he on our list of priority customers to visit for current tenancy visits, then? | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
-Was he identified? -Yes, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
um, he is one that hasn't yet had the access. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
-But we'd attempted visits, presumably. -Yes. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
Is there anything else that we need to put as an action? | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
I think that we need to be looking to encourage neighbours or | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
staff or anyone who thinks something is unusual to be advising us. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:37 | |
And if we recognise that we've not managed to contact someone | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
through that whole chain of formal processes, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
the chances are they're vulnerable, they require support and they haven't got it. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:49 | |
It's an opportunity to see whether there was something that we missed, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
whether anything should have been picked up. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
Well, thank you very much, everybody. Thank you, really appreciate your input. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
It's also important towards ensuring that things like this don't happen | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
and there is always a degree of contact with our customers, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
particularly the ones that are vulnerable and the ones that live alone. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
When somebody rents a home from us, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
it is their home, they're free to come and go as they will. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
We want to engage with our customers and want them | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
to be involved with us. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
But it's up to them whether they choose to do that or not. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
And for us, it's a balancing act between | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
engaging with our customers and making sure that they are safe, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
and invading their privacy. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
Mum of two Sarah Chilton has been a housing officer for the last 11 years | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
in one of Greater Manchester's biggest housing associations. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
She looks after over 300 homes in the remote rural area of Mossley. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
She's been called out to one of her estates to investigate | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
a suspected case of fraudulent activity. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
We're going to a property where we received reports that | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
the tenant wasn't living at the property any more, and was possibly living in Manchester. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
We have to go and check that the property is still furnished | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
and there is evidence to suggest that he is still living there. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
Some people will use the property um, for benefit purposes, um, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:28 | |
and claim from that property. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:29 | |
Um, and then just not live there. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
Sarah and her assistant Matthew have arranged to visit the tenant. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
Hello. You all right? | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
The reason that I've had to come today | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
is because, um, we got reports that you wasn't living at this property, OK... | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
and that you was living somewhere in Manchester. Are you staying with friends or anything? | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
Er, because it's easier to get... jobs near the city. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:04 | |
Right, that's fine. Are you working at the moment? | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
Um... | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
No more. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
So, obviously there's no furniture. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
There's no belongings as such, here, is there? | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
If you know what I mean - it's all rubbish, in't it, really? | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
Er... | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
Do you mind if I just have a quick look in the kitchen? | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
Yeah, have you not got a fridge? | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
Um, not yet. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:30 | |
What do you do to store your food items in? | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
Er, normally...er, I eat out. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
You eat out a lot? And you've got your microwave. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
-Yeah. -All right, OK. Um, right. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
Of course the rubbish thing, you know... | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
Right, the rubbish is easily dealt with. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
Are you not having your heating on at all? | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
Um, not for the moment. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
-So you've capped your gas meter off? -Yes. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
Is this to keep your feet dry, these bags on your feet? | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
-Sort of like a... -A waterproof thing? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah, OK. Thanks. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
-Is this your bed? -Er, yeah. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
So where's, like, your bedding and things that you use to keep warm, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
where's your bedding and your duvet and things like that? | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
-Er, blankets there, but er, I just... -Well, they're still in the wrappers. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
What are you using to keep warm at night when you sleep here? | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
That's all - just the blanket and... | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
-The lack of furniture... -Yeah. -And the way that you're living... -Yeah. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
..Indicates to me that you may not be staying here on a permanent basis. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
Um, I am staying here. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:35 | |
I'm a bit concerned if you are staying here in these conditions. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
You've got no heating to keep you warm at night, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
so it can't be very pleasant staying here in these conditions... | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
-Uh-huh. -..for you. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
-I think what we're going to have to do... -Yeah. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
-..is come and see you on a regular basis. -All right. -OK. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
I wasn't expecting to find this, to be honest, when I got here. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
As part of your tenancy conditions, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
it's not acceptable to keep your property in this condition, OK? | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
-Definite. -So you, you're in breach of your tenancy | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
by allowing it to accumulate this much rubbish in your property, OK? | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
It's a bit of a can of worms for me | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
now it's a bit half and half when he's living there | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
and the flat's full of rubbish. So, I don't know at this stage, really. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
It's, it's a difficult one to call on this one. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
It's been two months since John Leigh's body was discovered. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
But despite efforts from Cat, the police and the Coroner, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
there's still no sign of any relatives. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
I'm on my way to Cawdor House, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
the keys have just been received in our office, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
been released from the police. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
It's my first opportunity for myself to go into the property. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
So perhaps we might be able to, you know, discover any items | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
that are in there that may lead us to a next of kin. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
Mr Leigh's tenancy will be officially ended in 28 days' time. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
If no family members are found before then, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
the property will be cleared out and his belongings will be disposed of. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
There's obviously a lot of what appear to be records, vinyls. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
Books, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
paintings. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
A retiring card that's out on the table... | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
perhaps suggests that it's a recent retirement, really. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
Um, I don't honestly know, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
but it doesn't appear to be in the same condition as some of the belongings, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
in the property. Whether or not he's been having a look at it recently | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
is something that's quite sad, really. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
There are lots of concerns and issues that I feel | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
I would have been able to maybe help with | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
or make a bit of a difference about if I'd have known. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
I think it's always going to be something hard to deal with, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
and everybody deals with it differently. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
But it's not one of those deaths where family come in | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
and the family have notified and the family are there | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
and they can do the clear-out. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
This is me and the police trying to work out as much as we can do. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
You can see that there's somebody who's into so many different things - | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
reading and music and radios, and that would have been the character | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
that the family would have been able to tell me about. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
And I find that sad, as well. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
With no clues to any relatives at his flat, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
Cat is going back over the archives. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
Our systems hold a certain amount of information and when we sign up | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
our properties, we do get as much information as we can. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
However, there's no next of kin unfortunately, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
no contact number that we can use | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
to try and get in contact with a family member. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
The records show very little contact between John | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
and the housing association. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:18 | |
Her only lead is the retirement card. So Cat is also searching | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
for any information about an employer. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
It goes all the way back to 1987. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
All of the paperwork that we hold. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
Looking through the documentation we've got from when he signed up | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
for the tenancy, unfortunately there's nothing on here | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
to say who his employer was. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
But it's always good to just use that as, as I say, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
another route to try and get next of kin details or to get in contact | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
with somebody that knew him. But there's nothing on there. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
Jill has received footage from the Polish family's CCTV cameras. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
And she needs to find out if it matches their statements. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
I can marry up the times of her statement | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
with what we've got on here. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
Can just about see now that children are walking across the road, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
but they're not doing anything wrong at this stage, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
so I just wanted to see if they are the same ones | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
that occur later on in the tape, actually throwing the fireworks. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
There's five there. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
They're not very identifiable because of the hoods, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
which is where the police have had the problem doing anything about it. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:39 | |
Because they're not very clear. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
7:10. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:45 | |
Oh, there you go. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
Three youths standing on the canal bank. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
We've also heard from another neighbour | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
that named one of the boys that is regularly seen doing that | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
down the back of the canal, so we have a name. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
It's clearly targeting that particular garden. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
The CCTV evidence will be sent to the police | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
to help confirm the identity of the boys. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
But while CCTV is helping the investigation, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
the cameras are causing tension in the street. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
Directly across the road is neighbour, Debbie. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
You know, it is a little bit much. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:26 | |
The cameras look like they're pointing in. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
Would you mind if I showed you? | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
Bearing in mind I only got the blinds up yesterday. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
I don't know if you can see. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
I mean you've got that that's definitely pointing here. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
And there, under the front door. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
That's not in their garden, that's right over here. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
It feels like you're living in a goldfish bowl. As soon as you walk out the house, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
it really, really does my head in, it does. I just felt like, God, me head's going, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
so I thought, "Is it me, can they see?" | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
Anyway, um, so I went and I borrowed these off, er, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:07 | |
off Sammy Fisher from Budget. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
And then I gets a letter, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
"I've received notification | 0:23:12 | 0:23:13 | |
"you are viewing your neighbour's property with binoculars. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
"Your actions however are invasion of privacy | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
"and I would like to speak to you about it." | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
Invasion of privacy, with that lot going on(!) | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
It's estimated that tenancy fraud in social housing | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
costs the Government around £900 million every year. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
Housing officer Sarah has been investigating whether her tenant, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
Steven, has been fraudulently using his tenancy. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
He hasn't got the usual things that somebody would have, you know - | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
fridge, cooker, bed - but there is evidence to suggest | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
that he's living at the property. He's got food there, he's got, | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
well, could well be a sort of camping-style bed, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
but he's got somewhere to sleep and belongings at the property. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
And since we visited, we've then been notified | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
that his benefit is being claimed at the right address. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
So we, we have to kind of accept that he is living there. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
There's not much more we can do to prove otherwise, really. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
Steven was a teacher in Malaysia. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
He came to Britain looking for a better future | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
and has been a tenant with the housing association | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
for the last two years. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
As you can see, um, I haven't got much furnishings. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:40 | |
It's because of the Zen Buddhist concept, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
we know about er, meditation, it, sort of like helps you | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
to clear up your mind. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
Wisdom tells me | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
that if I were to maybe buy a bulky piece of furniture, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:56 | |
I might really regret it, because if things are not that spacious, | 0:24:56 | 0:25:02 | |
I can't look forward to making it the Zen, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
to achieve the Zen atmosphere, the Zen effect, you see. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
Zen or not, the condition of the flat | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
is a breach of Steven's tenancy. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
-Hello. -Hello. -You all right? -Yeah. -Can I come in? -Yeah, yeah. -Thank you. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
Now Sarah has established Steven IS living at the flat, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
and not committing benefit fraud, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:28 | |
she'll need to make sure he improves it. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
She's using an estate clear-up day to encourage him. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
-Are you OK? -Started, just a bit. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
You've sort of separated it. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
So you need to get rid of it all today. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
-There's one. -One. -No, you'll need a few. -Er, no - just one will be... | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
-I'll give you a few. -Er... | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
Take a few because you've got all the cans in the kitchen as well, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
-ain't you? -Er, I managed to clear some of them. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
Big plastic bag. I managed to clear... | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
-Just get rid of it. -Right... | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
Just, just, just clear all your empty cans, all your empty bottles. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
-Yeah. Anything you don't want to keep... -Yeah. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
-bag up for me... -Yeah, no problem. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
..and then take it down to the skips. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
I think he's quite attached to his rubbish, but it just needs to go, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
so I'll, I'll keep coming back | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
and checking how he's progressing with it. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
It's a good thing to recycle. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
A bowl or recyclable... | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
..and microwaveable packagings, er, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
definitely it's a good thing to, to reuse them whenever possible. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:48 | |
Some residents can sustain a tenancy quite easily and independently, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
and other residents need a little bit of support. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
Steven's going to be one that needs | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
a little bit more support. I'm quite happy to do that, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
um, and that's just part of my job. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
-Is that enough for now? -Yeah, that'll do, great - thank you. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
I'm just coming to see how you're getting on. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
Brilliant, right. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
So you've cleared a bit more. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
Is this what you're keeping in the middle? | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
-Er, yeah. -Right, OK. -Those are the... | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
All right, well at least it's a bit, a bit clearer. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
-You done anything in the bedroom? -I haven't done anything much, really. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:32 | |
Right. Um... | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
..well you see, he needs to sort through it. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
Do you want to walk down with me, now? | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
What are these jars er, what are... | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
-Er, leave it out. -Are you keeping them? | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
Yeah. I'll just throw them in, into my bag. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
-That's fine... -Yeah. -..if you want to put them in your bag. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
You know it might appear that we're being a bit forceful | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
about a little bit of rubbish in a flat, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
but my concern is that if he was left and it wasn't monitored, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
then potentially it could be a serious sort of hoarding issue. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
He's got nowhere to store papers, he's got nowhere to store anything. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
So I think we need to get him a bit more comfortable and then see how he, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
how he sort of lives after that. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
Jill has been working with the police to track down the youths | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
targeting the Polish family. And the police think they've found them. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
Jill's on her way to the station to question them. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
Their parents will also be invited, and so they should be there as well, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
so if they don't know what their kids are up to, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
then they will after today. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
The police can't charge the boys, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
as the CCTV evidence is not high enough quality. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
But under housing law, | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
Jill is able to issue them with acceptable behaviour agreements. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
OK, City West has brought you here today | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
because you seem to be part of a gang or part of a group of youths | 0:29:05 | 0:29:10 | |
that are causing problems on the estate. I understand | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
there was threats to kill the daughter, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
allegedly, that came from you? | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
I didn't threaten to kill, just shouting at her | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
-and telling her to get out me face. -Is that all you said? -Yeah. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
-What do you think about all this? -It's stupid really, isn't it? | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
-Stupid. -It shouldn't have happened, what I did. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
We don't want to meet you again on an ASBO warning interview, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
which will be the next stage. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
If the boys don't adhere to the conditions they sign up to, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
then they'll be in line for more severe punishments. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
It says that you'll not act in an antisocial manner, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
intimidate, harass persons, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
or not throw fireworks into private or public properties. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:51 | |
Now, do you have any idea why you might be in here today? | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
Fireworks. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
You have been seen on the canal bank | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
throwing fireworks into people's gardens. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
-Why have you done that? -I don't know. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
-You don't know, just seemed like a good idea t the time? -Hm. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
Like that would be a bit of fun? | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
If that firework was to enter a building with people inside, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
you could be arrested for arson with intent to endanger life. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
The other offence that we've been notified of is, 3oth of October, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:21 | |
you were seen running up to the door and giving it a hefty thwack | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
with your foot. That's also not behaviour that's acceptable. OK? | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
So I'm going to hand you over this, and it just basically says, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
you're not going to do certain things and if you do, there's repercussions. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
What I will have to do is issue a tenancy warning against your mum, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
and if you continue to act in a way which means that we go down the route | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
of further prevention against you, then she may end up homeless. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
We're doing this now to stop it before it gets too far, | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
before it gets too late to do anything with it. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
-Thanks very much. -Cheers. -See ya. -Bye. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
What I'm hoping is that those that were represented here today | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
will cascade it back to those that we've not been able to identify. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
That will then lead to the attacks ceasing completely. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
Youth antisocial behaviour is quite a big issue on our estates. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
It makes people feel unsafe and frightened. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
Ultimately should the behaviour continue and be serious enough | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
they may lose their home. That would be a last resort for us, | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
because what we want to do is keep communities together | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
and we want to make sure that those communities are strong and vibrant. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
But it's important that people have respect for each other. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
I bet your feet are nice and toastie warm today. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
Sarah has arranged for Steven to visit a furniture charity | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
to encourage him to introduce some order into his life. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
-This is Steven. -Hi, Steven, nice to meet you. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
He's one of my tenants on Mossley, and he's um, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
you've got nothing, basically, have you, Steven? | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
-Hiya. -Hello. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
And this is all purely donated. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
Ideally you, you just wanted maybe like a table? | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
-Yeah, just, just one table. -And a... -Probably. -And some chairs. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
Do you want to consider a bed yet, or are you happy with your... | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
your camp-style set up? | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
For the time being, I think a table will do. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
Cos at the moment, Steven, you've got nothing, have you? Let's face it. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
-You've just got... -Yeah. -..a living room shell. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
Have you got pots, pans? | 0:32:37 | 0:32:38 | |
Yeah, you've got pots and pans, things like that, haven't you? Do you want a fridge? | 0:32:38 | 0:32:44 | |
Er... | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
-I think just what I need would be chairs. -Just chairs. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
Let's just go and look at some chairs. We have some tables up here. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
There's a little one here, just a small one. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
With maybe two chairs like that, if you've got them. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
I don't know. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
-There is a nice little drop-leaf one if you want that. -Oh, is there? | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
A drop-leaf one that folds down? | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
It's nice, it folds down there, you see and if he has any company... | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
Do you get how it works? That the two sides come up. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
-Save space. -Yes, space saver. -OK. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
-Would you like to take that? -Yeah, yeah, I think, er... | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
-And maybe two chairs if they've got them? -Yeah, if... | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
-Do you have two chairs? -We might have, but they might not match. -Don't think it matters, does it? | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
You're not bothered if they don't match, are you? | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
If it's not a matching pair. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:32 | |
-Do you want to have a look? -Then just one, maybe. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
Oh, Steven, there's some couple of chairs here, they match. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
-Yeah. -I'm now turning into your interior designer, OK?! | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
If we didn't intervene, we'd have tenants with bags and bags of rubbish | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
in the property, we'd have children running riot on the estate | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
when they should be in school. You just wouldn't have a happy community. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:03 | |
You know, we've got to think that we are more than just housing, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
and we have got to... we do play a role | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
where we have to look after people a bit more | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
and provide a level of support. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
Most of the time they will, they will accept it | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
and engage. But then there's a small percentage | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
who just will not accept that they need support. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
The consequences of tenants not asking for help | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
are all too apparent in Salford, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
where Cat is still searching for answers about John Leigh. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
I'm wondering if I can just go over | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
a few quick questions with you with regards... | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
She's trying a last line of enquiry before the flat is cleared. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
Another call to the Coroner's liaison officer. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
To date there's still not been any next of kin | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
that have come forward to your department? | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
No. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:54 | |
There has been a burial. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
Oh, Wolfgang. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:00 | |
Oh, did he? Do you know when that was, Paul? | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
So, Wolfgang might be able to tell me where it was and when it was? | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
Finally, Cat's got a lead. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
There's been a funeral and Wolfgang, the former caretaker, attended. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:16 | |
So going to see Wolfgang just to see if we can get more details. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
He might be able to advise me of a family member there | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
or someone with some more information. Hopefully maybe even identify a next of kin. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
-Morning. How're you doing, all right? -How are you? | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
-Good morning, come in. -Thank you. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
What I'm really hoping for | 0:35:50 | 0:35:51 | |
is that you can tell me that there was a next of kin? | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
No, there was nobody there, only me on me own, | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
I never been a funeral like that. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
Was there no family members or anybody? | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
No there was only me there with a bunch of flower, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
and then the hearse is come up, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
and I expected somebody from the building, the whole building, | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
we are 58 flats, and surely one should go there with me, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
-you know. -Yeah. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
Er, I was heartbroken because was only me there, you know. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
-I was really angry to be honest, me dear. -Yeah. -You know? | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
When I was in the property, I'd seen a retirement card. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
Hm. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
It appeared he had quite a few friends he worked with, and it looked fairly recent. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
Do you know when he retired? | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
-What I think is maybe eight years back where he worked. -Oh, really? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
Three months after the firework attacks started | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
on the Polish family, Jill is back with news. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
We had three boys at the police station, OK? | 0:36:54 | 0:37:00 | |
One was the boy that kicked your door. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
SHE TRANSLATES | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
Other neighbours have also seen him throwing fireworks into gardens. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
You mean we not be alone, but we thinking for that moment | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
-that we only alone and we fighting with... -You're not. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
Neighbours a few doors down also named him. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
Thank you, God. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:21 | |
So because of that we could also do the same with him. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
And he came in and we sat him down. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
You happy now? You don't feel so isolated now that it's not just you. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:33 | |
These youths are silly to not just you, they're silly to other people. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
OK? So you've had a bit of help. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
I understand, it's... | 0:37:47 | 0:37:48 | |
-I think if everybody be closer don't say nothing. -No. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
Sometimes people do say nothing and they do nothing, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
but they suffer as well. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
Cross fingers, there will be no more problems from them. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:02 | |
Six weeks after his furniture was delivered, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
Sarah is back to see Steven | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
and there's been a new incident. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
Items of food have been thrown from one of the windows | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
which sounds like Steven's flat. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
To have thrown it out of the back window onto the communal area | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
at the back, and some of it's liquid form, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
so it's splattered against other residents' windows. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
Can you see on the window sill there, and on the one next to it. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
I can't see the ones above. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
Obviously, it's not pleasant for the two residents below him | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
to have food flying past their window. And I think the resident | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
that complained said, one of the things was a whole swede, | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
he said he didn't know what it was, but it hit the floor | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
with a massive bang. He said to me, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
"I thought it was a head coming out the window!" | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
He said this whole swede just splattered on the floor. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
Well, there is some things in the bin. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
So we'll see what, er, what he says, like. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
-Yeah, hello. -Hello, you all right? -I'm OK. -Good. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
How you getting on? | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
Er, not bad. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
-I've had a complaint from another resident in the area... -Right. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
That you're throwing food out of the back windows, is that right? | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
Well, not true, that's not true. The thing is that, um, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
sometimes when I buy milk products or dairy products, um... | 0:39:46 | 0:39:52 | |
I can't... I don't have a fridge yet, I can't store them overnight. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
It's not fresh. So I put those dairy products at the window ledge. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:04 | |
-To keep cool? -Are they falling out the window? -Yes, they've fallen out. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:09 | |
-So, er, but I try not to do that now. -No. If you can not do that. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:14 | |
Well, when I see out I just have to apologise to them if they... | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
No, that's fine. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
If you see them and you want to apologise, that's up to you. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
-Yeah. -You see all those tubs on your draining board? | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
-Yeah. -We don't seem to be getting anywhere, really. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
It just, it just seems to be growing, the amount of tubs | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
that we've got in the kitchen. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
Yeah, because of more food that I'm buying. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:37 | |
-So you got some Easter eggs. -Yeah. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
Who are they for? You? | 0:40:43 | 0:40:44 | |
Er, not really, visitors or whoever. Er, do you want some? | 0:40:44 | 0:40:49 | |
No, I don't, thank you. I wasn't hinting. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
Right, so, as I've said to you before, I'm going to keep coming back | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
-to see how you're getting on with things. -OK. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
-But we need to see a difference really, don't we? -Er, yeah. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
Keep on top of the amount of things that are coming into the property | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
and going out, really. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
It seems to have got worse again. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
My concern is in another six months, it's going to be | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
up to the window sills, we'll have to keep monitoring and coming back | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
and checking on him and giving him encouragement to try and clear | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
the property a little bit. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:27 | |
But yeah, only time will tell and hopefully | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
one day, we'll get somewhere with it. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
Over the following weeks, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:39 | |
there were some minor incidents on Eva and Tomas's estate. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
But after three months, the case was finally closed. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
Now starting new life, quiet and nice. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
Chill outs, my nerves and, er, you know. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
I don't expect hello on the street or "how are you?", | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
I'm not expect that, really. I don't need that. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
Just I want to say leave us alone, that's what I want. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
Just leave us alone, that's it. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
With all investigations exhausted, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
John Leigh's possessions are being disposed of. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
It's just quite sad to see somebody's entire life | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
being taken out of the property. Taken to a landfill. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 | |
And disposed of, really. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
We do build relationships with these people, they're not just customers, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
it's not just a landlord/customer relationship, | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
it's much more than that. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:00 | |
It does make me want to make sure a little bit more that everyone's OK. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:07 | |
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