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We are the generation that film everything.

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Even our crimes.

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On phones and on CCTV, they are uploaded and shared online.

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The crimes in this film were all vicious robberies committed by teenagers.

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They just targeted whoever they felt they could go for.

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It was literally jump and take.

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They used force to steal from their victims.

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As a 20-year-old, it upsets me

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to think that it's happening in my generation.

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The results were psychological trauma, physical injury and murder.

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No, I won't forgive them. They don't deserve it.

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Brrr-rap!

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This programme contains some strong language and scenes which some viewers may find upsetting

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Get off it. Get off it. Not yet.

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G-Block was a violent teenage gang.

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They attacked lone women in Tooting, South London,

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boasting openly about their crimes on MSN.

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It was Halloween and about 8.30 at night.

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Very dark, cold and I was coming back from the gym

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and I was listening to Sergio Mendes and Brasil '66 on my iPod.

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It was quite calm, relaxing Latin music.

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I was walking down Clydesdale Road

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and I saw four guys in the distance and three guys on the other side

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of the road and I noticed they were wearing masks from the film Scream.

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As I got closer to them,

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they pushed me into a brick wall on the side of the road

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and I was in disbelief that they were mugging me, they were attacking me.

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I had my handbag on my shoulder and they were trying to take it off me.

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I remember thinking, "I'm not going to let you have this,

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"because this should not be the kind of thing you are doing

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"and I don't want to make it easy to just take somebody's belongings.

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"I am going to fight with you."

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We were struggling and turning round in circles

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and banging against the wall and they were all pushing against me.

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All they wanted to do was boast about who had caused what injury

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and that led them to escalate the violence, which progressively

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got worse and worse and worse.

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I had four of these guys on top of me

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and the three guys from over the road saw there was a struggle

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and came over and I thought, "They might hurt me if I don't let go."

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So I decided to let go of the bag, but as I let go of the bag,

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I thought, "I'm going to take something that belongs to you."

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So I reached out and grabbed the Scream mask off one of their heads,

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and they scattered.

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They just targeted whoever they felt they could go for.

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It wasn't necessarily gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme.

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It was literally jump and take.

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One of the people they mugged, she lost her baby

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while she was pregnant at the time. She has lost her baby.

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Hearing that someone has lost their baby, you know it's serious.

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In the MSN exchanges,

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the gang bragged about violent attacks on countless other victims.

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They didn't care. They just wanted to prove themselves to each other.

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The victim was someone to be used for that purpose.

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That's why you had women who offered no resistance,

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women who could offer no resistance.

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They were so violently attacked, beaten to the floor, kicked,

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punched, stamped on.

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What we were expecting to find was older youths with a history of street robbery

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and that wasn't the case.

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When we put our known robbers under the microscope,

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to ascertain the likely suspects, we found it wasn't any of them.

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Months of police surveillance finally paid off.

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We were able to identify Gearing Close as the main meeting point

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of this group and they called themselves G-Block.

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G-Block wasn't a well established criminal gang,

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but a group of apparently ordinary teenagers living on a quiet

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close just off Tooting Common.

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These were boys that would help people with their shopping

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and carry it into their houses.

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They played together as a football team and did lots of things

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which any normal young boy of that age you would expect to do.

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This is Gearing Close. This is where...everything used to happen.

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Growing up in Gearing Close,

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Dani was good friends with the G-Block boys.

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Even though we would be noisy at night playing football or just chilling,

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we would always help out with people's shopping and pick up the litter.

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I don't think anybody's perception was really that negative.

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They were able to give the appearance of being normal, everyday schoolboys,

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but the reality is they had a darker secret,

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a darker side, which was this gang membership.

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There were eight boys in the gang, four of whom lived on the close.

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Jordan Rattray, Rubel Ahmed, Abdi Nur and Cyrus Pinnock.

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These youths went out nearly every night during this period

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committing violent acts of street robbery.

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They were armed with knives, iron bars, with mallets,

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all of which they used.

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While G-Block operated from a quiet South London suburb, another gang

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from Kensal Green brought terror to the whole of the London Underground.

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"On Friday, the 23rd of December, on the Hammersmith & City Line train,

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"the whole group gathered around the victim and one male said, 'Wallet.'

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"Then another male produced a knife

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"and plunged it into the victim's upper left thigh."

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"23rd of December, a group of youths entered a carriage

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"then approached the victim.

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"One of the groups said to the victim, 'Give me your fucking phone.'

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"The male then said, 'Give me your fucking wallet.'"

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"Four males began hitting him as they searched his pockets.

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"He saw one of the youths produce a knife,

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"which he plunged into the victim's left thigh."

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If you put up a fight, you get stabbed and you get beaten.

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The levels of violence are so disproportionate to what

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they want to achieve, which is a wallet and a phone off of people.

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It is scary.

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We talk about pack mentality, but the levels of violence don't seem right.

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I've never seen anything like it.

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CCTV helped the police identify a gang of teenage boys.

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They called themselves the KG Tribe.

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The police didn't know anything of the KG Tribe

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until these numerous robberies on the underground.

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They lived in the Kensal Green area,

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so that's what the KG Tribe stood for.

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One of the gang, 18-year-old Donnel Carty,

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was a regular at a youth club close to Kensal Green Tube.

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Donnel was typical of the young people that we see.

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He's black.

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He...wasn't doing the best in school.

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In fact, a lot of time, he wasn't at school.

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I don't think he finished formal schooling.

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What we found over the years is that many of the boys who get into trouble

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either don't have a relationship with a responsible father,

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or their fathers are not in their life at all.

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There was a real change in Donnel.

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Things started to become a little more out of control

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after he stopped living with his father full-time.

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Donnel, with his best friend Delano Brown,

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became a principal member of the KG Tribe.

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What I am about to play is a track recorded by Donnel Carty

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and others from the KG Tribe.

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# I said high-grade bush I'm in the ends

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# Hide and shush

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# Burning sea just like toast... #

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This is Donnel Carty singing now.

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"I want your phone. Make it snappy."

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They talk about murders,

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robbing people and talk about taking phones off people

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which, sadly, is exactly what they did.

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On Thursday, January the 12th 2006, Delano Brown

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and Donnel Carty were caught on the cameras at Kensal Green Tube.

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This footage shows Donnel Carty at the front with the woolly hat

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and Delano Brown behind him entering the station.

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You've got Donnel Carty here and Delano Brown here.

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As they are about to board the train, Delano Brown pulling his hood up

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before he gets onto the train.

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Just after 11pm that night, Brown and Carty rob a man on the platform.

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They threatened him.

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They didn't say directly but he believed them to have a knife.

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They stole money and a mobile telephone off him.

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It's just coming up to 23.05. Donnel Carty to the front, Delano Brown to the back.

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They have their hoods up and are crouching down.

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This is a station they know well

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and they know where the camera positions are.

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They turn to the right.

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It is the same way that Tom ap Rhys walks some 20 minutes after that.

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Tom ap Rhys Pryce was a successful 31-year-old lawyer.

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He had recently become engaged to his fiancee Adele Eastman

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and they lived together in Kensal Green.

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He was a very unique character

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and one of his key characteristics

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was he was always amazingly optimistic about everything.

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He always was interested in everything.

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One of his prep school headmasters said that he was

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a nice person to have around.

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I remember him saying that.

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I think that was exactly what Tom was.

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He was a nice person to have around.

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This footage shows Tom ap Rhys Pryce leaving the station.

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You see him turning right,

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heading the same way that Donnel Carty and Delano Brown went.

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This is the last footage of Tom ap Rhys Pryce alive.

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You can see the paperwork under his arm,

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which was paperwork for his wedding.

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There he appears there again.

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He appears there and there and that's it.

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The doorbell was ringing at about four o'clock in the morning.

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It went on and on.

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Eventually, I must have woken up and gone downstairs

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and it was his brother, Michael, at the door in floods of tears

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saying, "Tom has been killed."

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Initially, you are just so shocked and stunned,

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it was hard to take in what he was saying.

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We all sat down and he told us briefly,

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because he didn't have much information on what had happened.

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In a violent knife attack, Tom was repeatedly stabbed and beaten.

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Delano Brown and Donnel Carty robbed him of his cash,

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his mobile phone and an Oyster card.

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Tom was a well-travelled lad. He wasn't an innocent in London.

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He knew how to diffuse situations.

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I think he was coming across something that perhaps he had never

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come across in his life before.

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These two teenagers,

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I think he would not have expected the level of violence.

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It is just something he would not have had any understanding of at all.

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I don't think we did either.

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As we understand it, he gave them everything he had,

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but, for whatever reason...

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It was not enough.

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There was one fatal stab wound that penetrated his heart.

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Once he had been stabbed, even if there was a surgeon there,

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it was something he couldn't recover from.

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The police liaison officer was very helpful.

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He did give us advice not to watch the news for a while

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and it was very good advice.

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Although I have to say I did see footage on the news,

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I saw it was on the BBC News. I did see it.

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I just thought, "I can't believe he's not still here."

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It's very incomprehensible.

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-Incomprehensible is the word.

-Gone, just like that.

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There he was, then he wasn't.

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Just so sudden.

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In April 2011, a group of armed teenagers from Liverpool

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went on a ten-day rampage

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with little thought that their crimes too

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would be caught on CCTV.

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The incidents took place over a ten-day period and some nights,

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they did a couple of jobs one after the other.

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There was an attack on a pub,

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there was an attack on a couple of taxi drivers.

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Then there was the pizza delivery guy. There was a couple of shops.

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It was, I would say, a fast-moving enquiry.

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For me, one of the overriding images in investigating

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these offences is the image of Jobe Kilbride.

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What is that?! That to me is just...

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Urgh. That makes me feel sick.

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That is a very shocking image.

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These offences started over the Royal Wedding weekend. There were street parties in Liverpool.

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Everybody was watching or celebrating the Royal Wedding.

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Because of the extra day off for the Royal Wedding,

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I was going to be able to go to Wales and have a long weekend.

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Chris was going to have a working weekend.

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Ha! That didn't happen.

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Liverpool City Council's CCTV captured the moment.

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We are coming into Norris Green now.

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Not one of my favourite areas at the moment, obviously.

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Chris worked hard over Bank Holiday weekends

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because that's when it's busiest and when people need taxis, you know?

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I haven't had a Bank Holiday off for ten years, 12 years.

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The minimum I wanted to make that night was £150. Minimum.

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That was the plan.

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The plan was working up to 12:55am on the Saturday morning...

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when the plan got...shot basically.

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This group of lads borrowed a mobile phone off somebody to say,

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"Can you do us a favour? Can you ring us a taxi?"

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So the taxi gets rang,

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they stand in a location, knowing what they're about to do.

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Chris Harkness didn't.

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-Is that them?

-Yeah, that's them.

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There's only three of them.

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I'm parked here, out of view.

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The last thing he expects to happen is for a group of males to come up

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and put a shotgun in his face.

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The passenger door was ripped open.

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There was someone shouting at me,

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"Turn the engine off. Where's the money? Don't do anything or we'll shoot you."

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All that went through my mind was, "Why's there a shotgun on my chest?"

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It was only when the one in the front shouted something

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and they started to move that I caught sight of the police car

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at the roundabout and it just kept going. "You're not stopping?"

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It's like in the films. "Why aren't you stopping?"

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They started to move away cos they'd obviously seen the police car.

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That's when I thought, "I'm not hanging around anymore."

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I got out and I ran away.

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All that's going through my head was

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get some distance between myself and the gun.

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He ran out of his taxi, threw away his keys.

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You can only imagine what was going through his mind at the time.

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Maybe I should've stood up to them,

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maybe if I had stood up to them, they may have backed down.

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If that gun had been used on Chris being so close,

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I don't know if he'd have been here now.

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That makes me really angry...

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Yeah. Sorry.

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It does, it makes me really angry.

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The moment after the first robbery,

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we put all our efforts to get these people caught.

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Witness statements to get, house-to-house enquiries, CCTV enquiries

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and very quickly, we got the help and information that we needed.

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We had a name.

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The 18-year-old, he's got a criminal record, Bradley Beveridge.

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When Chris Harkness's taxi was robbed, they took his mobile phone.

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A few hours later, they used his mobile phone to ring another taxi.

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They were then daft enough to use that mobile phone and direct them to,

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what turned out to be, Bradley Beveridge's girlfriend's house.

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OK, so tell me, why don't you want us to see your face?

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OK, tell us a little bit about you and Bradley then.

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I've got friends who brought up their child in Norris Green.

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Their child wasn't out on the streets at 1am,

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I know that for a fact. So it's not everyone from Norris Green.

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So where's the excuse, "I was brought up in Norris Green"?

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Make another one because that one isn't going to wash.

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The offences gradually got a little bit more severe.

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Beveridge and his little group got a little bit more confident

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and cocky with the fact that up until that point,

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they'd been going for ten days, they hadn't been caught.

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Police were unaware that the other members of Beveridge's gang

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were schoolboys of just 16 and under.

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G-Block was the name used by a violent gang

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responsible for over 170 muggings.

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They came from the quiet residential estate of Gearing Close,

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just off the Common in Tooting, south London.

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We grew up in Tooting, me and my friends.

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We all went our separate ways at university,

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but eventually we all come back from university

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and a good way for us to stay together was football.

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It was a common ground and we used to play on Tooting Common, every Saturday.

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Included in that were a bunch of lads who must have been 14, 15,

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maybe even 16, who started to become regulars down there,

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and there was also a lad called Dani who turned up,

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but he was every other week and not so much,

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but we knew Dani and he was a very good player.

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He was probably the best of the bunch.

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He always used to get told off for playing football against the wall,

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he used to get shouted at because it's not our property,

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cos people are touchy like that within the area.

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So then we went over by the Common on Saturdays and there was a few guys there.

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I guess, as most people do, we judged them on first impressions,

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and decided that, you know, let's give them a game,

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and maybe it was because it would help us get the numbers right in the game.

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Eventually they'd play with us,

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and we took them under our wing and we used to see them every week.

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They were nice lads.

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If you met them in the street,

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you wouldn't feel intimidated by them one little bit in broad daylight,

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cos they'd probably be helping their mums with the shopping.

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They were almost geekish in many ways.

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To me they seemed like an older version of us, but just more white.

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They were definitely, you know, a younger version of we what we were probably then.

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HIP HOP MUSIC PLAYS

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HE LAUGHS

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At the time, there was, like, these different dances

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that used to come out

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and something all the boys and I used to do is that

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we used to, like, proper learn them and then actually put them up,

0:27:130:27:17

and it only goes to show, like, this is, like, what we used to do.

0:27:170:27:22

This is us.

0:27:220:27:23

This is the real Gearing Close boys, this is the real G-Block.

0:27:230:27:28

Abdi's wearing his Valencia T-shirt that he wore to football most weeks.

0:27:310:27:37

Cyrus is wearing some interesting bright red trousers.

0:27:370:27:40

It's quite amusing to see them in that scenario.

0:27:420:27:45

Some of their moves are great.

0:27:450:27:47

They're happy and smiling, and they're just being normal teenagers.

0:27:470:27:52

Looking at Abdi there, he's got a big old smile on his face,

0:27:520:27:56

and, you know, he's in his element, and picturing this,

0:27:560:28:00

you wouldn't imagine that they could intimidate a cat.

0:28:000:28:03

Very innocent, normal young boys, you would say,

0:28:030:28:07

but this footage was filmed during their robbery spree.

0:28:070:28:10

The one question you've got to ask yourself is

0:28:100:28:14

how do these innocent young boys in this image here

0:28:140:28:16

get to the violent thug there

0:28:160:28:18

with his carving knife, hammer and his ski mask?

0:28:180:28:21

That is Cyrus Pinnock with the red trousers on,

0:28:210:28:23

and that is Cyrus Pinnock in that photograph.

0:28:230:28:26

In February 2008, all the G-Block boys including Dani were arrested

0:28:280:28:32

and taken in for questioning.

0:28:320:28:35

I didn't get involved in any of the robberies, any of the muggings,

0:28:360:28:40

any of the beating up people, any of the taking stuff,

0:28:400:28:43

whatever they were doing,

0:28:430:28:45

because something in me was telling me it's wrong.

0:28:450:28:48

Like, it's not right to do that, and with me,

0:28:480:28:52

especially maybe it was because I was in a relationship

0:28:520:28:55

with a girl that I liked,

0:28:550:28:57

or maybe because I was focusing on school

0:28:570:29:00

and trying to get my GCSEs and actually go to college.

0:29:000:29:03

RAPPING

0:29:030:29:04

Having never been involved in any of the muggings,

0:29:070:29:10

Dani was not charged with any crime and released.

0:29:100:29:14

What did you hear was going on?

0:29:140:29:17

I knew that, or I heard that, they were going out and doing stuff.

0:29:170:29:23

I knew that they would come back with things

0:29:230:29:27

that they never really had before.

0:29:270:29:29

And to me it's like, I stayed away from it

0:29:290:29:34

and that topic around them

0:29:340:29:37

because, like, to me, like, it wasn't right.

0:29:370:29:40

We found video footage that we seized off their phones of them

0:29:440:29:48

immediately after they robbed a pizza delivery driver,

0:29:480:29:52

held a carving knife to his throat.

0:29:520:29:54

They've then robbed him of the bike he was actually riding,

0:29:540:29:57

and they steal that and later, shortly after that offence,

0:29:570:30:01

22 minutes after, I believe,

0:30:010:30:03

they then film themselves on a mobile phone trying to start the bike up.

0:30:030:30:07

ENGINE REVS

0:30:150:30:16

ENGINE REVS

0:30:220:30:24

Yes, you can look at that in one aspect and think,

0:30:500:30:53

well, it's quite comical.

0:30:530:30:55

A group of youths who can't even start a motorbike they've just stolen.

0:30:550:30:58

But it also shows almost a blase, naive, stupid attitude

0:31:030:31:08

to their offences

0:31:080:31:11

and not a thought that they were ever going to get caught.

0:31:110:31:14

The police seized the gang's phones and computers.

0:31:160:31:20

They discovered that they'd uploaded numerous photos of themselves brandishing weapons

0:31:200:31:25

and they'd boasted about their crimes on MSN, MySpace and Bebo.

0:31:250:31:29

It was almost manna from heaven as an investigator

0:31:320:31:36

to actually look at these crimes you're trying to prove.

0:31:360:31:40

You're interviewing the suspect who is saying, "No reply, no comment, no reply, no comment."

0:31:400:31:45

The reality is, you don't need him to say anything

0:31:450:31:50

because you've got, in the MSN, his conversation of what he did

0:31:500:31:56

and the part he played in a street robbery 40 minutes, 30 minutes,

0:31:560:32:01

20 minutes after committing the offence.

0:32:010:32:03

On 20th October 2007, another victim, Hannah Murray,

0:32:090:32:13

was attacked in the street and property was taken from her.

0:32:130:32:17

20th of October 2007,

0:32:170:32:19

Cyrus - "Oi, guess what?

0:32:190:32:22

"Me and Ameel and Abdi and Jordan went sucking and Ameel got an iPod."

0:32:220:32:27

Akheem - "What?"

0:32:280:32:31

Cyrus - "And I got two phones and a camera."

0:32:310:32:35

When we searched Cyrus Pinnock's home address,

0:32:350:32:38

one of the items recovered was a digital camera,

0:32:380:32:40

which we suspected may have been Hannah Murray's.

0:32:400:32:43

She came to the police station, identified the property as hers,

0:32:430:32:46

examined the digital camera,

0:32:460:32:48

saw images of black youths that she didn't recognise.

0:32:480:32:51

At the time she did this, she was with her boyfriend.

0:32:510:32:54

I remember sitting there and being absolutely gobsmacked.

0:32:560:33:00

Your heart drops.

0:33:000:33:02

There must have been seven or eight photos

0:33:020:33:05

of lads that I knew very well from the Common, and it was the kids.

0:33:050:33:09

They were striking poses in an aggressive nature

0:33:090:33:13

and had knives in their hand and it was all very gangster-esque

0:33:130:33:17

and it didn't register with me

0:33:170:33:20

that that was something they were capable of.

0:33:200:33:22

It certainly was, you know, like a stab in the back.

0:33:220:33:27

I know it sounds silly

0:33:270:33:28

but they didn't know that they were mugging my girlfriend - they didn't know that.

0:33:280:33:33

That's not to sympathise with them but that's to say that, you know,

0:33:330:33:36

I guess they weren't intentionally trying to stab me in the back personally.

0:33:360:33:40

The biggest wrench comes from the fact that

0:33:400:33:43

they did play football with us after Hannah's mugging,

0:33:430:33:46

and they would've turned that camera on because they used it,

0:33:460:33:49

and they would've certainly seen photos of me and my friends as well

0:33:490:33:53

and still turned up the next week and shook our hands.

0:33:530:33:56

We knew no better at the time and they did.

0:33:560:33:59

So that certainly seemed like a real betrayal, definitely.

0:33:590:34:02

I wanted to see them and to say, "What the hell? What happened?"

0:34:050:34:09

And, "Look what you've done."

0:34:090:34:11

I think we saw Dani maybe a couple of times afterwards,

0:34:110:34:14

I think it was Dani,

0:34:140:34:16

and asked him where the kids were and where's Jordan, Abdi and Cyrus.

0:34:160:34:21

I think he fobbed it off with a bit of a smile on his face.

0:34:210:34:24

I think he knew that I knew and vice versa.

0:34:240:34:27

But we never saw them after that.

0:34:270:34:29

You said that it's not your responsibility to stop those crimes.

0:34:320:34:36

Whose responsibility was it?

0:34:360:34:39

Themselves. The boys.

0:34:400:34:42

It's their responsibility because if they know that they're doing wrong,

0:34:420:34:47

then they should've stopped it.

0:34:470:34:50

Even though I was their friend and I knew them,

0:34:520:34:56

it wasn't my... It could... It is my responsibility to stop them

0:34:560:35:00

because they're people I associate myself with

0:35:000:35:03

and it did make me look bad because I hanged around with them,

0:35:030:35:06

but it's not my responsibility because it was none of my business.

0:35:060:35:10

To me, I was not involved.

0:35:130:35:16

We picked up the pieces.

0:35:210:35:24

It took Hannah a long time to really get her confidence back again

0:35:240:35:28

and feel comfortable walking the streets in the dark and all the rest of it.

0:35:280:35:32

Yeah, it was a nightmare, and very traumatic.

0:35:320:35:35

It would be interesting to actually meet one of the victims.

0:35:370:35:41

No word of a lie.

0:35:410:35:43

Because I want to know... how they feel.

0:35:430:35:47

Maybe it might make me be, like, might make me actually sink in,

0:35:470:35:52

and be like "Oh, shit. What they did do was really, really bad."

0:35:520:35:57

All eight gang members were convicted.

0:35:590:36:02

Judge Price at Kingston Crown Court, quite rightly in my eyes,

0:36:020:36:06

took the view, these are so serious,

0:36:060:36:08

this is such a long period of offending, that the only option was,

0:36:080:36:13

as much as he didn't want to lock up youths, was to protect the public.

0:36:130:36:16

The only way to do that was to give them lengthy custodial sentences,

0:36:160:36:19

which is what occurred.

0:36:190:36:21

Friday, 29th April 2011, the day of the Royal Wedding,

0:36:300:36:34

was the day a gang of boys from Norris Green in Liverpool

0:36:340:36:38

began a ten-day armed robbery spree.

0:36:380:36:41

I think it may start off as boredom, or let's do this for a laugh.

0:36:410:36:44

Let's get some money. We haven't got any cash.

0:36:440:36:46

I'll tell you what we'll do, we could do a robbery.

0:36:460:36:49

They robbed taxi drivers, pubs and delivery vehicles.

0:36:510:36:55

Their next targets were small local shops.

0:36:550:36:57

What we can see is, we've got all our suspects

0:37:270:37:29

currently stood in the bus stop outside of the shop.

0:37:290:37:32

Culshaw's constantly in and out, you can see on the CCTV, in and out of the shop.

0:37:360:37:41

He's casing the joint. He's coming in, having a look.

0:37:410:37:43

Is there anybody in the shop?

0:37:430:37:45

They wait for the moment when there's no customers.

0:37:450:37:48

I moved up to Liverpool around a year ago with my husband, Raj.

0:37:510:37:57

Because he runs a business here, a convenience store.

0:37:570:38:02

Raj chose Liverpool I guess

0:38:020:38:05

because it's easier to find a job than London,

0:38:050:38:09

but, yeah, I like the area, I like the people here.

0:38:090:38:14

When this happened in our shop, it was a Tuesday.

0:38:160:38:19

I was at the shop in the morning.

0:38:210:38:23

We were extending our shop,

0:38:230:38:27

and Mani was helping with that.

0:38:270:38:30

My main work is a shop assistant,

0:38:300:38:33

but I do building works, tiling, shelving, on part-time also.

0:38:330:38:38

Everyone was tired. They wanted a break,

0:38:380:38:41

so we thought, you know, we'll have a barbecue as it was a nice day.

0:38:410:38:44

So my husband and Mani, they went out,

0:38:440:38:49

they bought some stuff for the barbecue

0:38:490:38:52

and the staff, Sam, and the other guy, Ravi,

0:38:520:38:55

stayed at work in the shop.

0:38:550:38:57

That's...

0:39:000:39:01

I think Sam.

0:39:010:39:03

They're just getting ready to close the shop. So...

0:39:030:39:06

Just moving everything away.

0:39:090:39:11

OK, this is when the boys are entering the shop.

0:39:150:39:18

The boys come in.

0:39:310:39:33

One of them's holding the gun.

0:39:330:39:35

Bradley Beveridge, clearly with a shotgun in his hand,

0:39:370:39:40

his face covered,

0:39:400:39:41

and in come the other two as well, Currie and Kilbride.

0:39:410:39:45

Immediately start threatening the shopkeeper.

0:39:450:39:49

We see Culshaw in the blue top,

0:39:490:39:51

literally just pulls his jumper over his head.

0:39:510:39:54

Not a sophisticated criminal.

0:39:540:39:56

Didn't even try to conceal his identity very well.

0:39:560:39:59

With Priya, her husband and Mani having a barbecue,

0:39:590:40:04

the only staff covering the shop were part-time assistants, Sam and Ravi.

0:40:040:40:08

This is Ravi. First he thinks they're joking with the gun.

0:40:100:40:16

Then he realises it's a real gun so he gets behind the counter.

0:40:160:40:21

The staff will be feeling really helpless

0:40:230:40:25

because they don't know what to do,

0:40:250:40:29

they don't have any panic alarms or they can't call anyone.

0:40:290:40:32

Ravi, he would just be thinking, "What have I got myself into?"

0:40:320:40:39

Cos it was his first day.

0:40:390:40:41

He doesn't work there, he just came to help out and he experienced this.

0:40:410:40:46

He told me that they were swearing and yelling at them.

0:40:480:40:53

Again, the screaming at the shopkeeper, he's got a shot gun pointed at him,

0:40:530:40:57

constantly, "Give us the money! Give us the effing money!"

0:40:570:41:00

They don't care about feelings and thoughts

0:41:000:41:04

of the shop workers at all, these guys are absolutely petrified.

0:41:040:41:08

Beveridge and co, they don't care what effect they leave behind.

0:41:080:41:13

It was around 10.30, we were just finishing up with the barbecue.

0:41:160:41:22

We had nice food and we had a few beers and all that, a nice time.

0:41:220:41:26

And the time goes quickly.

0:41:260:41:28

My husband got a call from the shop. I didn't hear what they were saying,

0:41:280:41:32

but he was just like, "OK, I'm coming," then cut the phone.

0:41:320:41:35

And then he told us that the shop's been robbed with armed robbers.

0:41:350:41:40

My husband and Mani just ran out the door, and that's when

0:41:420:41:46

they met the boys outside.

0:41:460:41:48

Mani goes to respond to his friend

0:41:500:41:52

who works in the shop, saying, "We're being robbed."

0:41:520:41:55

So he comes out of the house

0:41:550:41:57

and is making the relatively short distance to his shop,

0:41:570:42:00

the last thing he expects is to encounter the same gang

0:42:000:42:03

that has just robbed the shop.

0:42:030:42:05

But that's the coincidence, that's what happens in this case.

0:42:050:42:08

I just saw everything, you know, happening, but I couldn't process it.

0:42:080:42:13

I see the gun that one of them is holding in their hand,

0:42:130:42:17

then I know these are the boys who robbed the shop.

0:42:170:42:20

My husband and Mani, they are moving towards them.

0:42:200:42:22

I got scared, so I told them to be careful.

0:42:220:42:25

They said, "We're gonna shoot you."

0:42:250:42:27

He stopped in his tracks.

0:42:270:42:29

But again, he didn't know, was that gun loaded?

0:42:290:42:33

The neighbours were screaming, "Don't shoot!"

0:42:330:42:35

And Beveridge fires the gun.

0:42:350:42:38

I heard a bang.

0:42:380:42:40

And Mani didn't make a noise or anything,

0:42:420:42:44

he just fell and I just, I just totally freaked out.

0:42:440:42:48

I didn't know what to think, I didn't know if he was hurt or...

0:42:500:42:54

-I don't know.

-I heard the noise, bang!

0:42:550:42:58

I don't feel straight away pain. After a bit later, feel the pain,

0:43:010:43:05

then I realise I got something, then the ambulance took me.

0:43:050:43:09

His injuries were minor. It could have been a lot worse.

0:43:090:43:14

He knows that, we know that. He could have been killed.

0:43:140:43:18

After shooting at Mani, the gang ran off.

0:43:190:43:22

But they left a trail of evidence.

0:43:220:43:24

'It's a classic game of cops and robbers.

0:43:240:43:26

'They're going out robbing,

0:43:260:43:27

'they know the cops are going to be not far behind them.'

0:43:270:43:30

They want to try and stay one step ahead of us.

0:43:300:43:32

But these weren't sophisticated criminals.

0:43:320:43:35

These guys didn't know what they were doing.

0:43:350:43:39

They weren't even wearing gloves, you know.

0:43:390:43:42

You'd think if they had come to rob a shop, they would wear gloves

0:43:420:43:45

or have proper masks on their face to cover their faces.

0:43:450:43:48

They didn't have gloves and they touched everything,

0:43:480:43:50

that's how the police caught them. They touched everything.

0:43:500:43:53

They left us so many clues.

0:43:530:43:57

We were able, from watching the CCTV,

0:43:570:43:59

to direct the crime scene investigator

0:43:590:44:01

to examine the places that they had touched.

0:44:010:44:04

One put his hands right on top of the Liverpool Echo,

0:44:040:44:07

grabbed the top of the glass partition.

0:44:070:44:09

What Beveridge got hold of now is his mobile phone top-ups,

0:44:100:44:13

his fingerprints were found all over that box.

0:44:130:44:16

Once we had those fingerprints recovered,

0:44:200:44:23

we had to quickly liaise with our fingerprints and forensic department

0:44:230:44:28

to identify who these people were.

0:44:280:44:31

And that's when I got told, it's Jobe Kilbride. He's 13 years of age.

0:44:310:44:35

That, for me... The first thing I asked them to do was check it -

0:44:350:44:39

you know, can you check that's right?

0:44:390:44:41

I've got a 13-year-old who is committing an armed robbery.

0:44:410:44:44

They checked it, it came back, yeah, it's right.

0:44:440:44:47

And it was at that point it was like, I am completely shocked,

0:44:470:44:51

gobsmacked in fact.

0:44:510:44:53

I didn't realise he was 13. I thought maybe 17, 16, 18.

0:44:530:44:58

13 is a surprise for me.

0:44:580:45:01

When he got the sentence, that day only, I know he is 13. My God!

0:45:010:45:05

When we arrested Kilbride, we seized his mobile phone.

0:45:050:45:10

Once we looked at his mobile phone,

0:45:100:45:11

is there any evidence on that phone that can assist us?

0:45:110:45:15

We find that picture that one of his friends had taken of him.

0:45:150:45:18

Happily stood there, holding a shotgun.

0:45:220:45:25

Boasting that I am happy to carry this

0:45:250:45:27

and ultimately go out and use this weapon.

0:45:270:45:29

I'm a mum of a boy who is 13 next week,

0:45:290:45:32

you know, he wouldn't... He's never even seen a real gun.

0:45:320:45:37

I don't even know how these people get guns.

0:45:390:45:41

Would you know where to get a gun?

0:45:470:45:49

As a 20-year-old, I have heard of crimes

0:46:000:46:03

that have involved people around the same age as me,

0:46:030:46:06

but children using guns, this is the first time I've seen this.

0:46:060:46:11

It upsets me to think that is happening in, like, my generation.

0:46:110:46:18

Within hours of them committing that offence,

0:46:190:46:22

we had the first couple in custody.

0:46:220:46:23

Within 24 hours of it, they were all in custody.

0:46:230:46:26

The five members of the gang, ranging in age from 13 to 18,

0:46:270:46:32

were Jobe Kilbride, Dylan Currie, Declan Culshaw,

0:46:320:46:37

and best friends Declan Kilbride and Bradley Beveridge.

0:46:370:46:43

For me, the driving force behind these offences was Beveridge.

0:46:430:46:47

Knowing his previous convictions

0:46:470:46:49

and what he has been in trouble for in the past,

0:46:490:46:51

it didn't surprise me with him. But for all the others,

0:46:510:46:54

to go from no criminal record

0:46:540:46:56

to your first one on your list is armed robbery,

0:46:560:47:00

it is something very, very rare. Very rare indeed.

0:47:000:47:05

I'm sorry...

0:47:140:47:16

they look like scum.

0:47:160:47:19

And they are scum.

0:47:190:47:22

Him - I hope he never gets out.

0:47:220:47:25

One of the guys, I think the 18-year-old one,

0:48:080:48:10

he actually, erm...

0:48:100:48:14

started shouting...

0:48:140:48:17

swearing at the judge about the sentence he got.

0:48:170:48:22

If they are going to behave like that towards a judge,

0:48:410:48:45

then how safe are we?

0:48:450:48:47

I...I don't think we are safe at all.

0:48:490:48:54

Chris is not a violent man, he's like your gentle giant.

0:48:580:49:02

But if pushed, he could look after himself.

0:49:020:49:05

He has always been my...

0:49:050:49:07

strong guy. He's the one who has looked after us,

0:49:080:49:10

and the fact that someone, some...

0:49:100:49:13

..punks, for want of a better word,

0:49:150:49:17

got the better of him on that night, upsets me.

0:49:170:49:21

It really does.

0:49:210:49:22

Cos he is the one who makes me feel safe,

0:49:220:49:24

and I'm sure for one minute he didn't feel safe that night.

0:49:240:49:28

'After it happened,

0:49:320:49:33

'I think I went through every range of emotions, to be honest.'

0:49:330:49:37

Guilt.

0:49:380:49:39

Anxiety.

0:49:410:49:43

Stupidity.

0:49:430:49:44

I felt disappointed in myself, to a degree...

0:49:470:49:51

..that I wasn't protecting the family, as you're supposed to.

0:49:540:49:57

I was snappy, losing my temper.

0:49:590:50:02

And not wanting to talk. Couldn't sleep.

0:50:020:50:07

Been to the doctors, the doctor thinks I've got post-traumatic stress.

0:50:070:50:11

For a while, I was really worried about him afterwards,

0:50:140:50:17

for obvious reasons.

0:50:170:50:18

Even now, I still think he has his moments.

0:50:180:50:21

On the night he was murdered,

0:50:270:50:28

Tom ap Rhys Pryce was returning from an evening out.

0:50:280:50:31

Cameras at Kensal Green tube station

0:50:310:50:33

capture him passing the ticket barrier, but he never made it home.

0:50:330:50:37

These are the teenagers who ended his life -

0:50:370:50:39

Donnel Carty and Delano Brown.

0:50:390:50:41

They are seen here running from the tube station,

0:50:410:50:43

where they had already robbed another man,

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taking his phone and money. They then chose their next target.

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The following day, on the 13th,

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bearing in mind you have actually got cordons

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all around that area where Tom was murdered,

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Donnel Carty makes his way back to Kensal Green station

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and tries to use Tom's Oyster card.

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This is Donnel Carty appearing.

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He's trying to swipe the card.

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It beggars belief that he could do that.

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Initially, I would think about, being so naive,

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how could someone do that? Then you look at it,

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and the area would literally have been full of police,

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yet he was quite happy to go and try

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and use Tom ap Rhys Pryce's Oyster card at Kensal Green station.

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And not only using it, asking a member of staff

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if there was any credit on it.

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That he could do that, it goes beyond naivety,

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it does show unbelievable levels of arrogance.

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We were both brought up as Christians and taught, you know,

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that redemption is always possible,

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and that forgiveness is one of the key aspects of Christianity.

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And that to have - and this is a cliche, I know -

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but to have hate in your heart doesn't help

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and it actually makes you feel worse, at the end of the day.

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So I think we were more interested, probably,

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in trying to reach some sort of understanding as to what

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brings somebody into acting in this way.

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You know, you either feel it's an eye for an eye or tooth for a tooth,

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which is the kind of, you know, you pay back somebody, or you...

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Turn the other cheek.

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..you have the Christian view, which is that you forgive.

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After Tom's death, a memorial trust was set up in his name

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by his law firm, his fiancee and his parents.

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Well, Tom's trust aims to help disadvantaged children

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in London with education or training

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to try and prevent them going down the wrong road.

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Anything we can do in the way of providing sports facilities,

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or music facilities, or educational facilities,

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is going to enrich their lives, and that's really what it's all about.

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Tom's fiancee made this statement and it was read out in court.

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"On the day Tom was killed, he made contact with a priest

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"who was due to conduct our wedding ceremony.

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"He printed off the details he had received that afternoon,

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"together with his wedding vows. They were found later that night,

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"strewn around the pavement, as the paramedics battled to save his life.

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"In a matter of seconds, wedding plans and a future together

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"had changed to funeral plans and a lifetime apart.

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"The pain is unlike anything I have ever experienced,

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"unlike anything I could ever imagine.

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"I feel as though Carty and Brown have ripped out my heart

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"with their bare hands and torn it very slowly into pieces.

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"There are no more tomorrows here for me and Tom

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"and all our hopes and dreams have been brutally torn away.

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"I just hope that there is something better for us on the other side.

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"In the meantime, just as hate and bitterness

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"had no place in Tom's life, neither will they in his memory.

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"I am determined to ensure, along with many others,

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"that as much good as possible comes out of this horrific tragedy."

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Right now, I'm at my second year of university,

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studying urban dance practice at the University of East London.

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'Yeah, I would say dance is my biggest passion.'

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And maybe because, I think I do it

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because I am kind of good at it!

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I have done so much in the time they've been in prison, but I don't

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see them any different, cos there's no reason to see them any different.

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Nothing's really changed between me and them.

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We were a trusting bunch, and that trust was certainly betrayed.

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It makes you question

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people's character and whether you are quite getting it right or not.

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That is a sad thing as well, because,

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although we probably won't now, if we ended up going down

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to Tooting Common again and a whole load of lads would come

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and approach us to play, which is natural,

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we would probably think twice about it.

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It's always in the back of your head.

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Group of lads get into the car now, I can't wait to get them out.

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I don't know how we'll ever get over that. So, no.

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No, I won't forgive them. They don't deserve it.

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When I got married, I had all these expectations, these ambitions,

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these dreams of starting a new life with my husband.

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But just a few months into our new life, you know,

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all these unexpected events happened

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and, erm...it's made me, erm...anxious

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about, you know, what lies ahead.

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