Episode 1 Prison, My Family and Me


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We all expect things from people we love.

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If you've got someone that you can lean on...

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..that's all you need from a mum.

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This programme contains some strong language and some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting.

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I believe the role of a father is to be supportive, caring,

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protective...erm, someone who would guide his children.

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A boyfriend should be there for you...no matter what.

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So how do you cope

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when someone close to you is locked up for committing a terrible crime?

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I didn't want to get up, I didn't want to see nobody.

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I felt my whole world was destroyed.

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Hi, guys, I'm Amy.

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Mum's been in prison.

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When he was last out of prison I did go a bit off the rails.

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I just hope we can...build our relationship back again.

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This film follows the stories of four extraordinary young women

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whose lives are turned upside down by having a loved one behind bars.

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He was asleep, and she just went downstairs,

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got a knife and...stabbed him.

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Filmed over 18 months, their lives take dramatic turns.

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That makes me look like a right...dirty person, really.

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'However you paint it, she killed someone. I don't care what anyone says.'

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No-one has the right to do that. No-one.

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As they face the challenges of loving someone

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on the wrong side of the law.

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No crime is worth committing if you know what you'll miss out on.

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If you have a family.

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Woman kills man.

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No, mother kills man.

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WOMAN SINGS CLASSICAL PIECE

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This is Amy. She's 18 and studying music and English at university.

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Four years ago her mum was convicted of manslaughter.

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Amy hasn't wanted to see her since.

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Social worker's like..."So, do you want to see your mum?"

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"No, thank you." "Are you sure?" "I'm really sure," I would go.

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And the next time, "Do you want to see your mum?"

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It's like...I think I have every right to decide not to see her.

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Amy has just started her first term at university

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and is living in a room on campus.

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I've always been this kind of weird girl...

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who's got a messed-up family and everything.

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You start uni and then... it's all I am now, I'm just myself.

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I've been waiting for a long time to be...just me.

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That, with the double chin, is my boyfriend.

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Erm...it's a really unfortunate shot of him!

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That's my budget! Well, it's meant to be at least.

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You're a bit of a bookworm, aren't you? What do you like about reading?

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You get away.

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You don't have to think about anything when you read, do you? Just...

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I like, erm, yeah, fairy-tales and...magic and everything.

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-What do you like about Disney?

-Happy endings.

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Same with the books. Everything's good in Disney.

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Always ends up good.

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You can't have a bad ending in Disney.

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Apart from Lion King, when Mufasa dies, but even that ends up OK.

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So it's all right! No, I like happy endings.

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Everything should have happy endings.

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I was quite young here as well. This was in Tobago.

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No, it wasn't. Cyprus.

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-That's Nigel there.

-Is that you?

-Yeah! In the middle.

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These were HER photos.

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'All the arguments between our mum and Nigel.'

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It's like Wuthering Heights. They have, er, Cathy and Heathcliff.

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I have no doubt that they loved each other

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but it was just... it was an awful relationship.

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They hated each other as much as they loved each other.

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And they couldn't... Because of that, I think it was because...

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they hated each other so much, they didn't know what to do with it.

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But, at the same time, doesn't matter how you paint it,

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she killed someone.

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I don't care what anyone says.

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No-one has the right to do that.

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No-one.

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This is Leanne. She's 22 and lives in Leicester with her two sons.

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You fell over again!

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Leanne's boyfriend of four years and father to the boys

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is currently on remand in Leicester Prison.

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The first thing that attracted me to him...

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when he was younger he looked like Lampard. Frank Lampard!

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He doesn't any more.

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Erm...that's made me go really red!

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Oh, there's a picture of me and Kyle before we had the baby.

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Erm...

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he's always wanted to have him in his hands.

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Showing an interest in Manchester United.

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He's never the kind to get into trouble. That's what I've always liked about him.

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He's never really been, like, a violent type or...

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or controlling or anything like that.

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So I never thought I'd be in any sort of...

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..any sort of problems, really, with him.

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But just a few months ago Kyle violently attacked another man

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in a fit of rage.

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When I found out what he'd done I was really shocked.

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Really, really shocked.

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I never thought that Kyle would ever end up...hurting someone in that way.

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As well as coming to terms with Kyle's crime,

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Leanne's also had to adapt to life as a single mum,

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looking after Riley, four, and Tyler

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who was born only 8 weeks ago.

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Riley, don't hit, it's not nice.

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Riley.

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I think Riley misses Kyle loads.

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Loads.

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So many times,

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he wants his daddy.

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This little piggy had beef.

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This little piggy did this, that little piggy did that.

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And this little piggy went, "Wee, wee, wee, all the way home!"

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'It used to be nice watching them always play together,

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'watching them do things, watching them bond.

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'And when he's been upset,'

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when I've told him off about something he says, "I want my daddy!"

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'I remember on Riley's first birthday

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'they were managing to throw a ball to each other.

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'It was really sweet. I've got a little video of it.'

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Hey!

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'He won't be able to do that with Tyler on his first birthday.'

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Ready? Wahey!

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A dad needs to be there for their children.

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'I was majorly disappointed in him.

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'Majorly. I didn't think'

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that he'd ever...

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use a weapon in any way.

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Leanne's mum

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and her mum's partner come over regularly to offer support.

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'We bring some food round.

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'We've been doing some decorating as well.'

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It's tough. I was a single parent myself, with three of them,

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so it's tough.

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I know she needs the support.

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I worry about you,

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so I'll be pestering you, almost.

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Are you all right? Anything you do - "ar-ar-ar!"

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I think it's going to be quite difficult, to start with.

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I want somebody to love her and treat her like a princess.

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That's what I have got and...

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Yeah, I want somebody to treasure her and treat her...

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Somebody who's there for her.

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'Mum's not a great fan of Kyle,'

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but I think when it comes to mums and daughters,

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it's always, like, "I want the best for my daughter,

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' "and I want her to be treated like a princess

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' "and get everything that she wants."

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'But life's not like that,

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'so I think they have to kind of accept that.'

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You know, no-one's ever good enough for someone's daughter, are they?

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RILEY: Four, five, six. LEANNE: Yeah!

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Kyle's been in prison on remand

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since the night of the assault.

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In less than a week, he will be sentenced at court.

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Only then will Leanne find out

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exactly how long she faces without him.

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I remember saying to Kyle,

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"Well, there's nothing set in stone,

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"because until I know what you're getting sentenced,

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"I can't promise that I'm going to be there for you, after.

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"It's only after sentencing can I say that yeah, I'll be there, or no,

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"I won't."

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BABY TYLER CRIES

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I hate the waiting game, that's what I hate. It's what drives you mental.

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I am extremely nervous

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and I'm anxious.

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Worried.

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It determines what's going to happen over the next few years.

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Not days or weeks or months, it's years.

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This is Catia. She's 17 years old,

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studies childcare at college and lives with her mum in Slough.

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She's been seeing her boyfriend, Jed, for about a year.

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My first impressions was that he was really sexy

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and I quite liked his personality.

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He seemed really, like, genuine. His eyes are just so nice,

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but it's not just his eyes, obviously, like,

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it's just him all over.

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21-year-old Jed is a serial offender

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with over a dozen prison sentences in the last five years,

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including convictions for drugs, weapons and violent assault.

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They met just as Jed had been released from prison

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and within weeks he was back inside for committing commercial burglary.

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We've been going out for nearly a year.

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He's been out of prison two of those months.

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But, because of all the letters and phone calls and things we talk about,

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we do feel really close.

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"To my baby girl. I just wanted to send you this card,

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"to let you know how much I adore you and that I will always love you

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"and to me you are perfect in every single way.

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"With all my love

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"and may we spend the rest of our lives together.

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"Love you for ever and ever.

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"Your Nelly." I nicknamed him Nelly.

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Smiley face and loads of kisses.

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That made me smile.

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I think I had a tear in my eye when I saw that.

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I can see peoples' point of view when they do question,

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is it true love? Because he's in and out of prison you're not always together. But it is true love.

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That's how I feel, that's how he feels. That's how it is.

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Only she knows and only he knows whether it's true love or not.

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I have no idea.

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If they're still together in ten years,

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then I'll say, "Yeah, it was love."

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Until then, nah.

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Catia's mum has never met Jed

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and has concerns for when he's released next month.

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So when did you actually find out he had been in and out of prison?

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A couple of weeks after the first time I met him, like, proper,

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and he just explained a couple of things he'd done -

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burglary, possession of drugs, weapon...

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Bullshit.

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He's not a murderer and he's not... nothing else.

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Fair enough, but he's still a criminal.

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There's loads of people out there don't go to prison,

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-don't go around burgling people's houses.

-Like who?

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-Like who?

-Because when you live in Lismore, Rico...

-Me!

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You're my uncle(!)

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I know, but you know what I'm saying.

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PHONE PINGS

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Lots of young men out there have never, ever

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and probably never will be, in trouble.

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They're the ones that go to university, ones I can't be with

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-because they're so wrapped up in geography.

-No, not really.

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'I probably am attracted to bad boys.'

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I wouldn't like a geeky boy.

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But then I don't really want a man that's in and out of prison.

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When I first heard that Catia was seeing a criminal,

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I was really upset.

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Anybody would be, wouldn't they?

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It's a nightmare, isn't it?

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The things that worry me,

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is Cat turning into a criminal and following in his footsteps.

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You know, you are who you hang around with.

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If you hang round with a load of nutters,

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you're going to end up a nutter.

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His reputation is being a jailbird,

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in and out of prison,

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the local thug.

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I think, at first, it put me off a little bit,

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because I couldn't see my life being with someone like that,

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but I got to know him and I thought,

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"He sounds like he wants to help himself get out of that situation,"

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and it'll be good for someone like me to help him,

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someone not in that situation, to help him get out of it.

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If I love him that much then I want to help him, which I do.

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In London, Amy has finished her first term at university.

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She's travelling back home to her Aunt Cassie's house in Kent.

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Cassie is Amy's mum's sister...

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Hello!

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..and she's looked after Amy and her two younger siblings

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since their mum was arrested four years ago.

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I'm not Mum, but I had to take on that mum role.

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How cool was that in the car earlier?

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'She still comes back every weekend.

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'She still treats this place like a home.

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'Hopefully, she's had enough stability'

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to cushion any damage

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that may have been done.

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Amy's mum and her stepdad, Nigel,

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were together for most of Amy's childhood.

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This was the collage we made.

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Me and Shaun made this, for Nigel.

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Both parents were heavy drinkers

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and their relationship was turbulent.

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Always arguing...

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Bookcases down the stairs.

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I remember at Christmas, the police came Christmas Eve

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and our TVs were downstairs.

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They'd been, like, thrown down the stairs, or something.

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Or...

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like, glass in the front door being punched in.

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The painting I did here -

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very minimalist!

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It was a birthday present for both of them.

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-For who?

-Nigel and my mum, their birthdays are three days apart.

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"I got you a joint pressie. I did it myself, so it's not perfect.

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"Have a good birthday."

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The house that Amy and her family lived in

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is only round the corner from where she lives now.

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I don't know. It's one of those things

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that I wouldn't go out of my way to walk past.

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There's always other routes, isn't there?

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The lighter coloured, the second one along,

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that's our house - WAS our house.

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And the window, that was my bedroom.

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That was our mum's room,

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that one, Mum's and Nigel's.

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Not a nice feeling.

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'He was asleep.'

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They were in bed and he was asleep

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and she just got up

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and went downstairs and got the knife.

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Stabbed him in his sleep.

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It's just cold.

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"A woman has been charged with murder

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"after a man was found dead at a house in Chatham.

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"She will appear before Medway magistrates today.

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"Blinds were drawn yesterday at the house now at the centre

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"of a murder inquiry."

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Yeah, I felt empty.

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Really empty.

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Seasoned with shame. I'll just put that in there!

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After Amy's mum was arrested,

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the murder charge was changed to manslaughter

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on the grounds of diminished responsibility.

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Amy's mum was moved to a secure psychiatric hospital,

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where she is currently serving an indefinite sentence.

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Amy has never visited her.

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Leanne's boyfriend, Kyle,

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has pleaded guilty to a serious knife attack.

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Not long ago I got my hair done

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and I told the hairdresser

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and I said, "What would you do if it was your partner?"

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She said, "I don't think I'd be able to stick by him,"

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because...

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well...

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didn't think your boyfriend would be capable of something like that.

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Since he's been in prison,

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the background of the case has been made public.

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My phone rang and it was his mum

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and she rang to say,

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"He's got a big photo of him in the paper."

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God!

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I just don't want to see his face somewhere.

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It's just going to pop out. Oh, God!

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It's there.

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Look, oh, he looks awful!

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Oh, my God!

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"Kyle Saddington, 23, armed himself with a hammer

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"and went to the victim's home in the early hours of the morning,

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"after hearing the mother of his two children

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"had struck up a relationship with the man."

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'There was a time, not long before the incident,

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'where he'd got a new job and he was spending less time with us,

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'which made us grow apart a bit.

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'I'd met up with one of his closest friends at the time, a few times,'

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and then that made Kyle immediately think we were up to no good.

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So, he'd went round to his friend's house to warn him away

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and they ended up having a fight.

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During the fight, Kyle used a knife to attack the victim.

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It caught him on the throat,

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there and there.

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It was an attack both of jealousy and rage, yeah.

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I think in those few minutes he was having a fight,

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I don't think he stopped to think about us, when that happened.

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Just portrayed to be a really violent person.

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BABY TYLER CRIES

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And the fact that I was six months pregnant with a second child,

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and I'm apparently in a relationship with a man,

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that makes me look like a right...dirty person, really.

0:20:050:20:09

BABY CRIES

0:20:090:20:11

-Mummy!

-Yeah?

0:20:230:20:26

-Mum?

-Yeah?

-Kyle's in the paper.

0:20:260:20:30

Do you want to see it?

0:20:300:20:32

It's not very good at all.

0:20:320:20:34

Oh, dear.

0:20:400:20:42

Doesn't show you in a good light either, does it?

0:20:420:20:44

That's what I said.

0:20:460:20:47

What's Riley going to say when he sees his dad like that in the paper

0:20:500:20:54

with that sort of heading? Nobody thinks about that side.

0:20:540:20:57

A few weeks later, Kyle writes from prison,

0:20:590:21:03

concerned that because of what he's done, Leanne has stopped loving him.

0:21:030:21:07

He's, like, really worried that I wasn't going to stay with him.

0:21:070:21:11

So he says, "You all right, baby?" is the first thing.

0:21:110:21:15

"I'm really worried about losing you.

0:21:150:21:17

"I won't give you a reason for us to break up

0:21:170:21:19

"so it'll be down to you to stay strong.

0:21:190:21:22

"I love you to pieces and you'll see when I'm out

0:21:220:21:25

"you weren't wrong to give me a chance.

0:21:250:21:27

"Each day that goes by I realise more and more what a twat

0:21:270:21:31

"and selfish person I was being.

0:21:310:21:33

"Each day that passes by I miss you so much more.

0:21:330:21:36

"Also, what'd you reckon, five years' time, me in a black suit,

0:21:360:21:39

"you in a white dress, priest says, 'Do you take her for your wife?'

0:21:390:21:44

" 'Yes.' What would your response be?"

0:21:440:21:46

Every relationship has a rollercoaster.

0:21:480:21:51

This is one of the low points, I guess.

0:21:510:21:54

'Who wants to be known for having a boyfriend in prison?'

0:21:570:22:01

It's not the best thing in the world, is it,

0:22:010:22:04

to be known for having a criminal as a boyfriend?

0:22:040:22:08

Cai, come and get your toast.

0:22:140:22:16

Can't you bring it up?

0:22:170:22:19

No, don't be lazy, man!

0:22:190:22:22

Me and my mum have always been quite close cos my dad's not been around.

0:22:220:22:27

Should put a bigger coat on, but I can't be bothered.

0:22:270:22:30

You should, you've got 'em.

0:22:300:22:31

I'm not being funny, that's really thin and you're always cold.

0:22:310:22:35

'She is actually a lovely girl,'

0:22:350:22:37

but she does have her moments, I suppose, like most teenagers.

0:22:370:22:41

But she can be really fun on a good day.

0:22:410:22:43

Catia's relationship with her mum was put to the test last year

0:22:450:22:48

in the two months Jed was out.

0:22:480:22:51

When he was last out of prison I did go a bit off the rails,

0:22:510:22:54

you know, staying out and not coming home at all,

0:22:540:22:56

and just having no respect for my mum's home

0:22:560:23:00

because I was in and out whenever I wanted.

0:23:000:23:03

'Our relationship started going downhill in about March,

0:23:030:23:06

'and I think that's when she actually started seeing him.

0:23:060:23:09

'So he did influence her and our relationship.'

0:23:090:23:13

There was a point when I was on the verge of chucking her out, because of her attitude.

0:23:130:23:17

Since Jed is released again in only a few weeks' time,

0:23:170:23:21

Catia's mum has concerns that history will repeat itself.

0:23:210:23:24

-As long as you don't behave the way you behaved last year.

-Mm-mm.

0:23:250:23:29

-I know that.

-Yeah. I hope you mean that.

0:23:290:23:32

-Yeah, I do.

-Well, you do just need to be careful.

0:23:330:23:37

Well. you're not stupid anyway, so...

0:23:370:23:39

Well...not most of the time, anyway.

0:23:410:23:45

'I probably did upset my mum.

0:23:470:23:49

'If it was my kid I would have felt the same.'

0:23:490:23:51

And by looking at it in someone else's shoes you do tend to...

0:23:510:23:54

think about it more and try and have a reaction to change that.

0:23:540:23:58

When he comes out of prison, she needs to stay

0:24:010:24:04

the way she is being now, as opposed to going back to what she was.

0:24:040:24:08

It was quite upsetting.

0:24:080:24:10

Yeah.

0:24:100:24:13

Not good at times.

0:24:130:24:15

But hopefully we're getting there now.

0:24:150:24:17

I hope so. Sorry.

0:24:170:24:20

SHE SOBS

0:24:200:24:22

Sorry.

0:24:280:24:29

I just hope we can... build our relationship back again.

0:24:330:24:38

SHE SNIFFS

0:24:400:24:41

Neelam is 20 and lives in Birmingham with her extended family.

0:24:490:24:54

I've always been a daddy's girl.

0:24:540:24:55

I don't know why, I just always had this attachment with my dad.

0:24:550:24:58

He used to come through the alleyway, through here,

0:24:580:25:01

and I used to be like, sometimes, after prayer,

0:25:010:25:03

I used to be standing here and I used to be looking at my dad,

0:25:030:25:06

and then I used to run downstairs and start looking and stuff,

0:25:060:25:09

because I knew my dad was going to have something to eat.

0:25:090:25:11

There's my dad. He's got me picked up and us two are standing there.

0:25:110:25:15

'My father was a very loving man, very caring.

0:25:170:25:20

'He was very considerate, he was very supportive,

0:25:200:25:23

'and he was more than a father,'

0:25:230:25:25

he was more than a friend. He was just...everything to me.

0:25:250:25:28

He was my world.

0:25:280:25:30

This is my brother's birthday film. There's my dad.

0:25:300:25:34

In 2009, when Neelam was just 17,

0:25:340:25:37

her father was arrested for attempted murder.

0:25:370:25:41

The prosecution case was that Neelam's dad

0:25:410:25:44

and a gang of local people, including her two brothers,

0:25:440:25:47

attacked a man they had a disagreement with,

0:25:470:25:50

and that Neelam's dad stabbed him twice in the chest.

0:25:500:25:52

Her two brothers were acquitted of attempted murder,

0:25:520:25:56

but her father was found guilty and sentenced to 15 years.

0:25:560:25:59

When he went, my whole world just shattered.

0:25:590:26:04

In the morning, my grandma had been very sad.

0:26:040:26:10

She was crying, my aunt was crying. I come downstairs,

0:26:100:26:13

my mum was like, "What happened?

0:26:130:26:14

And me and my sister said, "What's happened? Why is everyone crying?"

0:26:140:26:18

And she was like, "He's been sentenced to 15 years."

0:26:180:26:22

That's all we heard and we just all broke down.

0:26:220:26:25

I didn't want to see daylight, I didn't want to get up,

0:26:290:26:32

I didn't want to see nobody, I didn't want nobody to be there.

0:26:320:26:35

I felt my whole world was destroyed.

0:26:350:26:36

I miss everything about him - his smile, his laughter,

0:26:380:26:41

the way he'd laugh, the way he'd joke.

0:26:410:26:43

I still remember all them things even though that's no longer there.

0:26:430:26:47

I remember each and every bit of it.

0:26:470:26:50

I look at this picture and it's bringing a lot of memories.

0:26:500:26:53

This was his room and I'm sitting in the seat that my dad used to sit in the most.

0:26:530:26:57

He used to have friends over who'd sit with him and tell us jokes.

0:26:570:27:03

This room was such a live room. Today it's died out.

0:27:030:27:07

'Since her father's arrest, her mum has been ill with depression,

0:27:070:27:12

'so it's been down Neelam to look after her mum, gran and four siblings.'

0:27:120:27:17

I had to grow up at a very vulnerable age.

0:27:170:27:20

I had to take on a lot of hassle and responsibilities.

0:27:200:27:24

It's just my daily chores.

0:27:240:27:26

Cooking, cleaning, taking my brother to school.

0:27:260:27:32

Just the normal... Laundry, washing...

0:27:320:27:35

You adjust to it, to be honest with you.

0:27:360:27:38

You adjust with what you have to undertake, what responsibilities.

0:27:380:27:42

You just get used to it.

0:27:420:27:45

I had a lot of dreams, especially on school days, like a doctor,

0:27:480:27:52

solicitor, psychiatrist.

0:27:520:27:54

I wanted to travel the world. I had loads of ideas.

0:27:540:28:00

An artist, story writer...

0:28:000:28:02

But that was then.

0:28:030:28:06

'With Neelam's career dreams on hold,

0:28:080:28:11

'her focus is on holding her family together, and her dad's legal case.'

0:28:110:28:15

'She doesn't accept the official version of events

0:28:150:28:18

'and believes that her father was wrongly identified.'

0:28:180:28:22

'Neelam's decided to contest the guilty verdict.'

0:28:220:28:25

From day one I decided I will help my dad, I will prove him innocent.

0:28:250:28:29

He had no previous convictions, he was a hard-working family man

0:28:290:28:32

who worked most of his life maintaining the family.

0:28:320:28:35

I don't see why he would do that. He wouldn't.

0:28:350:28:38

He wasn't that type of person.

0:28:380:28:40

As his daughter, it's my duty to help my dad,

0:28:400:28:43

knowing that he's been there for us.

0:28:430:28:45

He's worked all of his life for us. He was there in our hard times.

0:28:450:28:48

He did everything for us. I feel this is the least I can do. That's my dad.

0:28:480:28:53

He's my first priority.

0:28:530:28:55

Amy's back at university.

0:29:060:29:08

She's now in the middle of her second term.

0:29:080:29:10

There's loads of different opportunities at uni.

0:29:150:29:18

Every society or club is there, so you basically take your pick.

0:29:180:29:23

I sign up to everything.

0:29:230:29:26

Chess society, tea society, sci-fi society... I did everything.

0:29:260:29:31

'At the university horse-riding club,

0:29:310:29:33

'Amy met her new friend Amanda.'

0:29:330:29:35

Tell me how much you talk about each other's home life

0:29:360:29:40

and things like that and how all that got broached with you?

0:29:400:29:43

I don't remember how we discussed it.

0:29:430:29:49

Stuff like that... I'm quite close with Amanda so I don't mind.

0:29:490:29:53

She basically just dropped it into conversation one time.

0:29:530:29:56

I think we might've been talking about finance,

0:29:560:29:59

and she was like, "I automatically got halls cos I'm in care",

0:29:590:30:03

and I didn't actually want to ask any questions so I didn't.

0:30:030:30:06

I just thought, when she tells me, she tells me,

0:30:060:30:09

I'm not going to pry into her personal life.

0:30:090:30:12

It just came out over a few weeks.

0:30:120:30:15

I do remember saying, "I'm sorry," like when someone dies,

0:30:150:30:18

and you're like, "I'm sorry for your loss."

0:30:180:30:21

You just don't know what else to say.

0:30:210:30:23

I just take the mick out so much, when people say sorry.

0:30:230:30:27

It's like, yeah.

0:30:270:30:29

Do you never worry that people will judge you?

0:30:290:30:32

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, so people assume.

0:30:330:30:37

I can't imagine thinking like that. Would people actually think that?

0:30:370:30:40

That seems really horrible to me

0:30:400:30:43

because you know her and she's amazing.

0:30:430:30:46

There's nothing her mum's ever done could change the person Amy is.

0:30:460:30:51

I don't think it's related at all, she's awesome.

0:30:510:30:55

You're such a sweetheart!

0:30:550:30:57

Outside of university,

0:31:000:31:02

social workers are still encouraging Amy to make contact with her mum.

0:31:020:31:06

But she still continues to defend her right not to.

0:31:080:31:12

Thank you.

0:31:150:31:17

Today, Amy and her brother Sean are speaking at a conference,

0:31:200:31:24

to get their point of view across.

0:31:240:31:26

-When did you write the speech?

-Last night!

0:31:260:31:30

I wrote it out neat so I could read it.

0:31:300:31:32

What's running through your mind right now?

0:31:320:31:35

I'm glad I didn't have breakfast!

0:31:350:31:38

It seemed, at least in our case,

0:31:380:31:40

that because we didn't want contact with our parents,

0:31:400:31:44

the sympathies went to our mother.

0:31:440:31:46

And despite the fact we've suffered at the hand of her,

0:31:460:31:49

the person who was meant to care about us most,

0:31:490:31:52

everyone was, "Oh, poor mother." You know?

0:31:520:31:54

We were angry, we were hurt

0:31:540:31:58

and the only way we could show we were angry

0:31:580:32:00

was to not have contact with her.

0:32:000:32:04

It's more or less the first time she's told that aspect of things.

0:32:040:32:10

I guess the first time you talk about it,

0:32:100:32:16

is always the hardest

0:32:160:32:17

and to talk about it in front of a group of people is even more so.

0:32:170:32:21

Kids in my situation,

0:32:210:32:23

we try to make the best out of a crappy situation.

0:32:230:32:27

We do our best to make a family.

0:32:270:32:31

-VOICE BREAKS:

-We accept other people as ours.

0:32:330:32:39

And with the contact,

0:32:420:32:44

it always seemed like there's a risk of tearing it apart.

0:32:440:32:48

Em...that's it!

0:32:500:32:54

Well done, that was really good.

0:33:020:33:05

-I'm sorry.

-Thank you.

-You did absolutely brilliant.

0:33:050:33:11

-You should be proud of yourselves.

-Thank you.

0:33:110:33:14

Is there ever a part of you that thinks

0:33:180:33:20

you'd like to say those things to your mum?

0:33:200:33:23

I don't know if I could.

0:33:230:33:26

-Really?

-No.

0:33:260:33:28

I want to, but...

0:33:330:33:34

I don't think I could get it out.

0:33:380:33:40

This is like, a lifetime of pent-up anger

0:33:400:33:46

and stress and upset.

0:33:460:33:49

I can't imagine ever being able to kind of get rid of that.

0:33:510:33:56

I don't know how I would.

0:33:560:34:00

CHILD CRIES

0:34:030:34:05

-Are you tired?

-Yeah...

0:34:080:34:12

Today, Leanne is due in court

0:34:120:34:14

to find out how long Kyle will get in prison.

0:34:140:34:17

If he has to serve inside more than six years,

0:34:190:34:25

then that's most of my twenties' life over.

0:34:250:34:28

'I'll be 28 then.'

0:34:280:34:31

So if he gets eight years and only serves half of that,

0:34:320:34:36

providing he has good behaviour,

0:34:360:34:39

so that's four years, then I'll be 26.

0:34:390:34:43

So I'll still have half of my twenties to go with him

0:34:430:34:46

and we'll still feel young

0:34:460:34:48

and we'll still have a youthful life together,

0:34:480:34:52

rather than just the more mature life together, if that makes sense.

0:34:520:34:57

So, yeah, I still want to have my youthful life with somebody.

0:34:580:35:03

Because Kyle cut his victim on the neck,

0:35:060:35:10

the crime falls within the most serious category of assault.

0:35:100:35:13

As such, the sentence could be long.

0:35:130:35:17

Well, this is what they're saying that he's in - category one.

0:35:170:35:20

A starting point of 12 years and the range is 9 to 16 years' custody.

0:35:200:35:24

So he could get 16 years?

0:35:300:35:33

Mm-hm.

0:35:330:35:35

At worst.

0:35:350:35:37

What would you do if he got 16 years?

0:35:380:35:41

I don't know.

0:35:410:35:43

I'm not even going there.

0:35:440:35:47

You'll be OK.

0:35:510:35:54

You'll be OK.

0:35:540:35:57

I'll come back as soon as I'm finished, OK?

0:35:570:35:59

Yeah?

0:35:590:36:01

I was so shaky when I was in there.

0:36:370:36:39

Um, he got a total of five years,

0:36:390:36:44

so he serves two-and-a-half years,

0:36:440:36:46

but the last four months of that two-and-a-half years he could be out on tag,

0:36:460:36:50

providing he's well-behaved.

0:36:500:36:53

And then on licence for the remainder of the term.

0:36:530:36:59

So he could be out quite shortly, so it's a lot better than expected.

0:36:590:37:04

I feel really bad for smiling because he's done something wrong,

0:37:060:37:11

but I think it was... the right amount of time.

0:37:110:37:15

'I was so relieved that it wasn't longer.

0:37:150:37:18

'I just thought of the children again, and I thought of me,

0:37:180:37:21

'like, we've still got a chance of a good relationship, and we're still going to be young.'

0:37:210:37:26

So we've still got a chance at rebuilding everything.

0:37:260:37:31

-Hiya. How are you?

-OK.

0:37:350:37:38

-You want to know, don't you?

-I do want to know, of course I do. Um...

0:37:380:37:42

-I want to make sure that you're all right first.

-Yeah.

0:37:420:37:46

OK.

0:37:460:37:47

-He got five years.

-Right.

0:37:470:37:49

Um... Serves two-and-a-half.

0:37:490:37:52

-He's already done four months of that, obviously.

-Right.

0:37:520:37:56

-So this little one's not going to see Daddy properly until he's about two.

-Yeah...

0:37:560:38:02

-Unfortunately. But it could've been worse.

-Yes.

-A lot worse.

0:38:020:38:08

You know, the next year, certainly, will be a real tester for you.

0:38:080:38:12

I know, yeah.

0:38:120:38:14

'I wouldn't have been able to wait 12 years for him.

0:38:140:38:16

'No way.'

0:38:160:38:18

That's just too much of my life gone.

0:38:180:38:21

And it wouldn't have been fair on me.

0:38:220:38:24

-SHE LAUGHS

-That might sound selfish, but it wouldn't.

0:38:240:38:28

I've not done... I've not done anything wrong.

0:38:280:38:31

Kiss good night. Do you want the quilt on to keep you safe and warm?

0:38:320:38:38

You just think of all the things that Riley's done in his life so far,

0:38:390:38:43

and all the things he's learnt,

0:38:430:38:45

and all the little things you watch, and his little personalities

0:38:450:38:48

and how he changes, and you know that Kyle's going to miss out on all of that.

0:38:480:38:52

No crime is worth committing

0:38:540:38:56

if you know what you're going to miss out on...

0:38:560:38:59

if you have a family.

0:38:590:39:01

So you're going to miss out on a lot, aren't you?

0:39:010:39:05

But you don't know it.

0:39:050:39:07

Over two years ago,

0:39:140:39:15

Neelam's father was convicted of attempted murder

0:39:150:39:18

and sentenced to 15 years in prison.

0:39:180:39:21

Although Neelam left school with no qualifications

0:39:210:39:24

and has little knowledge of the legal system,

0:39:240:39:26

she's taken on the main role of fighting her father's conviction.

0:39:260:39:31

Hi, I'd just like an update on my father's case.

0:39:310:39:34

That's Mohammed Arif.

0:39:350:39:36

Can I leave a message?

0:39:390:39:41

Uh, can you let him know that I would like for him to put,

0:39:410:39:43

you know the DNA and the forensic?

0:39:430:39:46

And forensic, I would like that to be added to the points.

0:39:470:39:51

'I never thought in a million years that I would be researching,

0:39:510:39:54

'investigating and looking into the different firms

0:39:540:39:57

'that deal with miscarriage of justice.'

0:39:570:40:00

Uh, hi, Claire, it's me, Neelam.

0:40:000:40:02

'At first I had a lot of people saying,

0:40:020:40:03

' "You won't be able to do it," '

0:40:030:40:05

because they felt I'd probably screw up, I'd probably do something wrong.

0:40:050:40:08

Probably, the case won't be looked at

0:40:080:40:10

because I'm phoning in repeatedly at the courts, at solicitors...

0:40:100:40:13

The decision of whether her father's case will go to appeal

0:40:130:40:16

lies with the Criminal Cases Review Commission - the CCRC.

0:40:160:40:20

Today, Neelam is attending a protest

0:40:200:40:23

and plans to deliver a letter demanding an update.

0:40:230:40:26

-What do we want?

-Justice.

-When do we want it?

-Now.

0:40:260:40:29

-What do we want?

-Justice.

-When do we want it?

-Now.

0:40:290:40:33

'A lot of people believe that there's no smoke without fire.

0:40:330:40:36

'They don't want to really look in depth,

0:40:360:40:38

'they don't really want to know that, OK,'

0:40:380:40:40

there can be something a bit more to this.

0:40:400:40:42

You know, they just believe, "OK, he's been charged,

0:40:420:40:44

"there must be something in it, so he must be guilty."

0:40:440:40:47

-We're disgusted.

-No justice.

-We're disgusted.

-No justice.

0:40:470:40:50

-We're disgusted.

-No justice.

0:40:500:40:53

Not a lot of Asian women from the community can, obviously,

0:40:530:40:56

stand up to, basically, do protests and go to these places

0:40:560:41:00

because it just doesn't be done.

0:41:000:41:02

-What do we want?

-Justice.

-When do we want it?

-Now.

0:41:020:41:06

-Excuse me, can I give this letter in?

-You want to give a letter in?

0:41:060:41:09

-It's for the CCRC. My dad's case is pending, so this is more information.

-Yes.

0:41:090:41:13

'It went brilliant.'

0:41:130:41:14

I got to give the letter I wanted to give in

0:41:140:41:16

and I think we got our point across.

0:41:160:41:17

I mean, there was a lot of people that were coming up to myself

0:41:170:41:20

and I was giving them leaflets as well.

0:41:200:41:22

-We're disgusted.

-No justice.

-We're disgusted.

-No justice.

0:41:220:41:25

I believe in God, I believe God does exist

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and I put my trust in my God

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and I believe that he gave me this determination

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and all this courage because, to be quite honest with you,

0:41:320:41:35

when I first heard about my dad, I was completely broken.

0:41:350:41:38

Out of everybody, I was the most broke.

0:41:380:41:40

When I make a prayer

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and I have this feeling in my heart that one day everything will be OK.

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In Slough, Catia is still waiting

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for her boyfriend, Jed, to be released from prison,

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but as the date draws near, her mum's concerned that her behaviour

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is going downhill again, like the last time he was out of prison.

0:42:000:42:05

Catia, not the phone at the table, please.

0:42:050:42:08

Why're you doing mine?

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Cos I always do yours first. That's why I asked you to serve.

0:42:110:42:14

I don't like loads of mince.

0:42:140:42:17

-Just have potatoes, then.

-I am.

0:42:190:42:21

I'm not even hungry.

0:42:210:42:23

-Yeah, just eat.

-Why would I eat?

0:42:240:42:27

Cos it's my cooking.

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It's just about...

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..when you were coming in late, last year.

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Oh, fuck, no. I ain't talking about that bullshit.

0:42:400:42:42

I refuse. I'm not doing it.

0:42:420:42:43

No, it's... Can you understand how it made me feel, though?

0:42:430:42:46

Yeah, but I don't want to talk about it.

0:42:460:42:50

-Why?

-Just don't.

0:42:500:42:52

Fair enough.

0:42:530:42:55

I know you don't want to talk about it.

0:42:560:42:58

-So why are you going to carry on?

-No, no, no. No.

0:42:580:43:00

-I'm just going to say, you're not going to start doing it?

-No.

0:43:000:43:05

-Are you sure?

-Yeah. 100%.

0:43:050:43:07

This morning, Jed will be released from prison.

0:43:200:43:24

I'm actually a little bit nervous, funnily enough.

0:43:290:43:31

I think I'm nervous for Catia. She's not nervous - I am.

0:43:310:43:35

What happens when he DOES come out?

0:43:350:43:38

How is she going to react?

0:43:380:43:40

Is she going to play up like she did last year?

0:43:400:43:42

I think that's probably what's bugging me as well.

0:43:420:43:45

SHE SIGHS

0:43:460:43:48

Hello!

0:44:020:44:04

I missed you.

0:44:070:44:09

Did you miss me too?

0:44:090:44:11

Of course. Oh, my God. I love you.

0:44:120:44:16

Love you too.

0:44:160:44:18

-You're not cold? I got that jumper here.

-Yeah.

0:44:190:44:22

'If he got put back into prison that would be the end of it.'

0:44:230:44:26

He knows, my mum knows, everyone knows that would be the end of it.

0:44:260:44:30

I don't want to have a married home with police banging on my door.

0:44:310:44:36

I don't want that life at all.

0:44:360:44:38

I want a normal, happy, relaxed, settled life.

0:44:380:44:42

But I trust him and I believe in him to not go back to prison.

0:44:430:44:48

It's emotional. It is.

0:44:480:44:50

It's emotional that I get to be with my girl again.

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Have you missed her?

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Beyond belief.

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There's not a day that went by I didn't think about her.

0:45:000:45:04

To be honest, I probably don't hold much hope of him sticking to it,

0:45:040:45:07

but I'd like to think that he CAN change.

0:45:070:45:10

It'd be nice to think at least someone can change their ways.

0:45:120:45:16

If he changes he has to prove himself to me first,

0:45:160:45:19

and then to my mum, which is going to be hard,

0:45:190:45:22

cos earning my mum's trust is NOT easy.

0:45:220:45:26

-New start, yeah?

-Yeah. Promise.

-Cool.

0:45:260:45:30

-Can we go home?

-Let's go home.

0:45:320:45:36

And the night before that I had four hours' sleep.

0:45:360:45:39

This means we can go home now.

0:45:390:45:41

It's Christmas morning in Leicester.

0:45:460:45:48

This year will be the first Christmas

0:45:480:45:51

Leanne has spent without Kyle since they met.

0:45:510:45:55

Last night I said to Riley, "Santa's coming tonight,

0:45:550:45:58

"so you've got to be asleep."

0:45:580:46:00

He went, "Don't want Santa. I want Daddy."

0:46:000:46:02

So I was like, "Aww. Can't have Daddy, can we?"

0:46:020:46:06

Ooh, it's good!

0:46:060:46:10

Christmas was a very different atmosphere.

0:46:110:46:15

I was like, "Let's try and keep this as normal as possible

0:46:150:46:19

"and do everything as we would as if Kyle was here."

0:46:190:46:23

'There was a big hole, really.'

0:46:230:46:25

That's from your great-nana, that is.

0:46:280:46:31

Here you go.

0:46:310:46:32

BABY GURGLES

0:46:320:46:34

I need to open this one.

0:46:350:46:38

I'm going to have to do it all over again next year,

0:46:380:46:42

and probably all over again the next year as well.

0:46:420:46:45

'So I've just to cope with it, just deal with it.'

0:46:450:46:50

Nemo!

0:46:500:46:52

It's like that song, isn't it? It'll be lonely this Christmas.

0:46:520:46:55

-For me, anyway.

-Here's two! Here's two! Look!

0:46:560:47:03

Going to be a good boy? Yeah?

0:47:080:47:12

Before she went on maternity leave,

0:47:120:47:15

Leanne worked full-time as a civil servant.

0:47:150:47:19

She and Kyle had lived comfortably on their joint incomes.

0:47:190:47:23

But without Kyle's salary,

0:47:230:47:25

she's struggling to keep up with the bills.

0:47:250:47:27

'I knew that by the end of this month,

0:47:270:47:30

'this will be the first month of my significantly lower maternity pay.'

0:47:300:47:36

'I'm going to have £128.73 per week.'

0:47:360:47:41

That's like 520 quid-ish.

0:47:430:47:46

Considering my mortgage payment is £465,

0:47:460:47:51

doesn't leave me much for other things.

0:47:510:47:54

One of my bills, gas and electricity, is £101. That puts me straight over.

0:47:540:47:59

Then I've got all the other things like insurances

0:47:590:48:01

and petrol money, car insurance...

0:48:010:48:07

Then I've got to pay out in advance the nursery fees,

0:48:070:48:11

so I'm going to be worse off by a few hundred each month

0:48:110:48:14

until I go back to work.

0:48:140:48:15

I spoke to Kyle about the difference in money,

0:48:150:48:20

but he can't do anything, can he?

0:48:200:48:22

No-one can really do anything.

0:48:240:48:26

I just feel trapped now and then.

0:48:260:48:29

I feel like my hands are tied with what I can do

0:48:290:48:31

and I'm going to get into a load of debt in the next three months.

0:48:310:48:34

That scares me.

0:48:340:48:35

BABY CRIES

0:48:350:48:38

I know she's really starting to feel the financial strain

0:48:380:48:43

and possibly the emotional strain too.

0:48:430:48:46

I think she feels more lonely than she expected and quite isolated.

0:48:480:48:53

I just see it as, "Right, you're a single mother now."

0:48:530:48:57

If you look at it in that way, just deal with it like everyone else does.

0:48:570:49:01

It's been over six weeks since Neelam's protest.

0:49:060:49:10

Today, she's waiting for a response from the CCRC

0:49:100:49:13

to find out of her father's case will go to the Court of Appeal.

0:49:130:49:18

"Dear Ms P, I refer to your letter dated 15th February 2012,

0:49:210:49:26

"in which you asked for an update on the progress made

0:49:260:49:29

"in the review of your father's case.

0:49:290:49:31

"I have secured and examined the relevant case files

0:49:310:49:34

"of the police, the Crown Prosecution Service and the Crown Court.

0:49:340:49:37

"I still need to see some additional police and court material

0:49:370:49:40

"to address specific issues that have been raised.

0:49:400:49:43

"As we have already discussed, I will communicate to you in detail

0:49:430:49:47

"as soon as I have any significant information about the review."

0:49:470:49:53

What it said in the letter that my father's case ain't got a timescale.

0:49:530:49:58

They're still under investigation, they're still investigating

0:49:580:50:01

certain issues and they're still looking into the matter.

0:50:010:50:04

I will never give up.

0:50:040:50:07

It's been two weeks since Jed was released.

0:50:130:50:15

He's been to sent to a bail hostel 50 miles away.

0:50:160:50:19

It is the first time Catia has seen him since the day he was let out.

0:50:190:50:23

-I missed you.

-I missed you more.

-I missed you more-er.

0:50:230:50:27

I missed you more-er!

0:50:270:50:29

He's decided to treat her to a day at a go-karting track.

0:50:290:50:33

It's important for Jed to stay out of Slough cos it just keeps him

0:50:370:50:40

away from the trouble that could happen

0:50:400:50:43

and he can just start afresh. New place, no people he knows.

0:50:430:50:47

I'm 100% sure it will just be so much better.

0:50:470:50:49

-Who do you think won?

-Me!

-You?

-Nah, you let me off.

0:50:580:51:02

Did you see how many time I let her go past me? I'm a gentleman.

0:51:020:51:06

I told you before, I'd spend the rest of my life making it up to you,

0:51:080:51:12

that I'd never mess up again. Like, I don't know.

0:51:120:51:16

You mean the world to me and I don't want to lose you again.

0:51:160:51:20

Thank you.

0:51:200:51:22

I've been going in and out of prison since I was 15

0:51:250:51:30

and I think it's time to throw in the towel.

0:51:300:51:33

It's time to grow up and move on.

0:51:330:51:36

'I can't change Jed. Jed can change Jed.'

0:51:360:51:41

But by him wanting to change and having support from his girlfriend,

0:51:410:51:46

his stepmum, his other family members and friends

0:51:460:51:50

that want to help him, makes him feel that extra bit of support,

0:51:500:51:53

make him feel more confident about changing himself,

0:51:530:51:56

and that's what he needs.

0:51:560:51:58

He needs something stable and something to boost him, to push him.

0:51:580:52:02

And that's what he's got.

0:52:020:52:04

Quickly, cos I'm at a weird angle there.

0:52:100:52:13

Leanne has decided to deal with her money worries head on,

0:52:150:52:17

and plans to return to work earlier than expected.

0:52:170:52:21

Going through what has happened in the last seven months or so,

0:52:210:52:26

I think I'm a lot stronger.

0:52:260:52:29

Last couple of months, since the house has been better,

0:52:290:52:32

she's come on leaps and bounds.

0:52:320:52:34

It's been really good and I admire her.

0:52:340:52:35

I don't know how she's does it, really. Amazing.

0:52:350:52:38

The decision has refreshed her outlook,

0:52:380:52:40

and for the first time in months,

0:52:400:52:42

she's decided to have some time away from the kids.

0:52:420:52:45

In an attempt to meet other young people in the area,

0:52:450:52:47

she's signed up for a new way to keep fit.

0:52:470:52:50

Tonight I'm going pole dancing.

0:52:500:52:52

It's my second time ever doing it, so it's not going to be great.

0:52:520:52:55

It's probably going to be quite atrocious. But it's keeping fit.

0:52:550:53:02

I think it's been about over a year since I wore trainers.

0:53:020:53:06

-Maybe two years.

-I'm absolutely staggered!

0:53:060:53:08

13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18...

0:53:110:53:19

She thought when it first happened that life would never be the same,

0:53:190:53:24

and yet she shows that if you're resilient enough

0:53:240:53:27

you can get through anything. It's a credit to her.

0:53:270:53:30

I look ridiculous!

0:53:300:53:32

Looking in the mirror I just look insane!

0:53:320:53:35

I like a bit of me time now, even if it is once a fortnight or whatever.

0:53:380:53:42

For an hour.

0:53:440:53:45

This is the card.

0:54:040:54:07

It says, "Wishing you a magical Mother's Day", and then inside...

0:54:070:54:12

It's finding a card that doesn't say "Mother" on it cos I've never seen

0:54:190:54:24

a Mother's Day card with "Happy Mother's Day, Auntie."

0:54:240:54:28

You'll like the card. I hope you like the card anyway.

0:54:290:54:34

I already have the pain of losing a father,

0:54:550:54:57

my mother has the pain of losing her husband,

0:54:570:55:01

my grandma's got pain of losing her son.

0:55:010:55:04

My auntie and uncle got pain of losing their brother.

0:55:040:55:07

But my father, he's got pain of losing everybody.

0:55:070:55:10

I'm staying with Kyle cos I love him and we've been through a lot.

0:55:220:55:25

I wouldn't ever stay with someone for the sake of the kids

0:55:250:55:28

cos it will rub off on the kids that things aren't good.

0:55:280:55:33

But, yeah, I love him.

0:55:340:55:35

You always think, "I can see my life being like this in five years' time."

0:55:470:55:51

But I can't. I never know what my life's going to be like in five years' time.

0:55:510:55:56

Hopefully it will be good.

0:55:560:55:58

We'll have our own place, got money, got jobs, got cars, settled,

0:55:580:56:03

and then maybe in ten years, kids and marriage and stuff like that.

0:56:030:56:07

'When I have kids I'll have the most boring family. It'll be glorious!'

0:56:090:56:15

I'd have a piano and I'll make jam even though I don't know how

0:56:160:56:23

and nothing of consequence would ever happen.

0:56:230:56:26

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