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We all expect things from people we love. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
If you've got someone that you can lean on... | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
..that's all you need from a mum. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
This programme contains some strong language and some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:14 | |
I believe the role of a father is to be supportive, caring, | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
protective...erm, someone who would guide his children. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
A boyfriend should be there for you...no matter what. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:24 | |
So how do you cope | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
when someone close to you is locked up for committing a terrible crime? | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
I didn't want to get up, I didn't want to see nobody. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
I felt my whole world was destroyed. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
Hi, guys, I'm Amy. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:36 | |
Mum's been in prison. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
When he was last out of prison I did go a bit off the rails. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
I just hope we can...build our relationship back again. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
This film follows the stories of four extraordinary young women | 0:00:45 | 0:00:50 | |
whose lives are turned upside down by having a loved one behind bars. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
He was asleep, and she just went downstairs, | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
got a knife and...stabbed him. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
Filmed over 18 months, their lives take dramatic turns. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
That makes me look like a right...dirty person, really. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
'However you paint it, she killed someone. I don't care what anyone says.' | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
No-one has the right to do that. No-one. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
As they face the challenges of loving someone | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
on the wrong side of the law. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
No crime is worth committing if you know what you'll miss out on. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
If you have a family. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
Woman kills man. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
No, mother kills man. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
WOMAN SINGS CLASSICAL PIECE | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
This is Amy. She's 18 and studying music and English at university. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:56 | |
Four years ago her mum was convicted of manslaughter. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Amy hasn't wanted to see her since. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
Social worker's like..."So, do you want to see your mum?" | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
"No, thank you." "Are you sure?" "I'm really sure," I would go. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
And the next time, "Do you want to see your mum?" | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
It's like...I think I have every right to decide not to see her. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:24 | |
Amy has just started her first term at university | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
and is living in a room on campus. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
I've always been this kind of weird girl... | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
who's got a messed-up family and everything. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
You start uni and then... it's all I am now, I'm just myself. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
I've been waiting for a long time to be...just me. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
That, with the double chin, is my boyfriend. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
Erm...it's a really unfortunate shot of him! | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
That's my budget! Well, it's meant to be at least. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
You're a bit of a bookworm, aren't you? What do you like about reading? | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
You get away. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
You don't have to think about anything when you read, do you? Just... | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
I like, erm, yeah, fairy-tales and...magic and everything. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:15 | |
-What do you like about Disney? -Happy endings. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
Same with the books. Everything's good in Disney. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
Always ends up good. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:25 | |
You can't have a bad ending in Disney. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
Apart from Lion King, when Mufasa dies, but even that ends up OK. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
So it's all right! No, I like happy endings. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
Everything should have happy endings. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
I was quite young here as well. This was in Tobago. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
No, it wasn't. Cyprus. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
-That's Nigel there. -Is that you? -Yeah! In the middle. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
These were HER photos. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
'All the arguments between our mum and Nigel.' | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
It's like Wuthering Heights. They have, er, Cathy and Heathcliff. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
I have no doubt that they loved each other | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
but it was just... it was an awful relationship. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
They hated each other as much as they loved each other. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
And they couldn't... Because of that, I think it was because... | 0:04:14 | 0:04:19 | |
they hated each other so much, they didn't know what to do with it. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
But, at the same time, doesn't matter how you paint it, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
she killed someone. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:26 | |
I don't care what anyone says. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
No-one has the right to do that. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
No-one. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
This is Leanne. She's 22 and lives in Leicester with her two sons. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:48 | |
You fell over again! | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
Leanne's boyfriend of four years and father to the boys | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
is currently on remand in Leicester Prison. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
The first thing that attracted me to him... | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
when he was younger he looked like Lampard. Frank Lampard! | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
He doesn't any more. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:04 | |
Erm...that's made me go really red! | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
Oh, there's a picture of me and Kyle before we had the baby. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
Erm... | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
he's always wanted to have him in his hands. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
Showing an interest in Manchester United. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
He's never the kind to get into trouble. That's what I've always liked about him. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:31 | |
He's never really been, like, a violent type or... | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
or controlling or anything like that. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
So I never thought I'd be in any sort of... | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
..any sort of problems, really, with him. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
But just a few months ago Kyle violently attacked another man | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
in a fit of rage. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
When I found out what he'd done I was really shocked. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
Really, really shocked. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:53 | |
I never thought that Kyle would ever end up...hurting someone in that way. | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
As well as coming to terms with Kyle's crime, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
Leanne's also had to adapt to life as a single mum, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
looking after Riley, four, and Tyler | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
who was born only 8 weeks ago. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Riley, don't hit, it's not nice. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
Riley. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
I think Riley misses Kyle loads. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
Loads. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
So many times, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
he wants his daddy. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
This little piggy had beef. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:29 | |
This little piggy did this, that little piggy did that. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
And this little piggy went, "Wee, wee, wee, all the way home!" | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
'It used to be nice watching them always play together, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
'watching them do things, watching them bond. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
'And when he's been upset,' | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
when I've told him off about something he says, "I want my daddy!" | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
'I remember on Riley's first birthday | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
'they were managing to throw a ball to each other. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
'It was really sweet. I've got a little video of it.' | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
Hey! | 0:06:59 | 0:07:00 | |
'He won't be able to do that with Tyler on his first birthday.' | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
Ready? Wahey! | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
A dad needs to be there for their children. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
'I was majorly disappointed in him. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
'Majorly. I didn't think' | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
that he'd ever... | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
use a weapon in any way. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
Leanne's mum | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
and her mum's partner come over regularly to offer support. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
'We bring some food round. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
'We've been doing some decorating as well.' | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
It's tough. I was a single parent myself, with three of them, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
so it's tough. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
I know she needs the support. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
I worry about you, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
so I'll be pestering you, almost. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
Are you all right? Anything you do - "ar-ar-ar!" | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
I think it's going to be quite difficult, to start with. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
I want somebody to love her and treat her like a princess. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
That's what I have got and... | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
Yeah, I want somebody to treasure her and treat her... | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
Somebody who's there for her. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
'Mum's not a great fan of Kyle,' | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
but I think when it comes to mums and daughters, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
it's always, like, "I want the best for my daughter, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
' "and I want her to be treated like a princess | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
' "and get everything that she wants." | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
'But life's not like that, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
'so I think they have to kind of accept that.' | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
You know, no-one's ever good enough for someone's daughter, are they? | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
RILEY: Four, five, six. LEANNE: Yeah! | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
Kyle's been in prison on remand | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
since the night of the assault. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
In less than a week, he will be sentenced at court. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Only then will Leanne find out | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
exactly how long she faces without him. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
I remember saying to Kyle, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:56 | |
"Well, there's nothing set in stone, | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
"because until I know what you're getting sentenced, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
"I can't promise that I'm going to be there for you, after. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
"It's only after sentencing can I say that yeah, I'll be there, or no, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:10 | |
"I won't." | 0:09:10 | 0:09:11 | |
BABY TYLER CRIES | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
I hate the waiting game, that's what I hate. It's what drives you mental. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
I am extremely nervous | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
and I'm anxious. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
Worried. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
It determines what's going to happen over the next few years. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
Not days or weeks or months, it's years. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
This is Catia. She's 17 years old, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
studies childcare at college and lives with her mum in Slough. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
She's been seeing her boyfriend, Jed, for about a year. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
My first impressions was that he was really sexy | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
and I quite liked his personality. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
He seemed really, like, genuine. His eyes are just so nice, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
but it's not just his eyes, obviously, like, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
it's just him all over. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
21-year-old Jed is a serial offender | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
with over a dozen prison sentences in the last five years, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
including convictions for drugs, weapons and violent assault. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:20 | |
They met just as Jed had been released from prison | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
and within weeks he was back inside for committing commercial burglary. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
We've been going out for nearly a year. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
He's been out of prison two of those months. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
But, because of all the letters and phone calls and things we talk about, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
we do feel really close. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
"To my baby girl. I just wanted to send you this card, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
"to let you know how much I adore you and that I will always love you | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
"and to me you are perfect in every single way. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
"With all my love | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
"and may we spend the rest of our lives together. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
"Love you for ever and ever. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
"Your Nelly." I nicknamed him Nelly. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
Smiley face and loads of kisses. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
That made me smile. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
I think I had a tear in my eye when I saw that. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
I can see peoples' point of view when they do question, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
is it true love? Because he's in and out of prison you're not always together. But it is true love. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
That's how I feel, that's how he feels. That's how it is. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
Only she knows and only he knows whether it's true love or not. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:20 | |
I have no idea. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
If they're still together in ten years, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
then I'll say, "Yeah, it was love." | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
Until then, nah. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
Catia's mum has never met Jed | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
and has concerns for when he's released next month. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
So when did you actually find out he had been in and out of prison? | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
A couple of weeks after the first time I met him, like, proper, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
and he just explained a couple of things he'd done - | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
burglary, possession of drugs, weapon... | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
Bullshit. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:52 | |
He's not a murderer and he's not... nothing else. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
Fair enough, but he's still a criminal. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
There's loads of people out there don't go to prison, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
-don't go around burgling people's houses. -Like who? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
-Like who? -Because when you live in Lismore, Rico... -Me! | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
You're my uncle(!) | 0:12:08 | 0:12:09 | |
I know, but you know what I'm saying. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
PHONE PINGS | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
Lots of young men out there have never, ever | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
and probably never will be, in trouble. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
They're the ones that go to university, ones I can't be with | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
-because they're so wrapped up in geography. -No, not really. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
'I probably am attracted to bad boys.' | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
I wouldn't like a geeky boy. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
But then I don't really want a man that's in and out of prison. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
When I first heard that Catia was seeing a criminal, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
I was really upset. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
Anybody would be, wouldn't they? | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
It's a nightmare, isn't it? | 0:12:38 | 0:12:39 | |
The things that worry me, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
is Cat turning into a criminal and following in his footsteps. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
You know, you are who you hang around with. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
If you hang round with a load of nutters, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
you're going to end up a nutter. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
His reputation is being a jailbird, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
in and out of prison, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
the local thug. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
I think, at first, it put me off a little bit, | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
because I couldn't see my life being with someone like that, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
but I got to know him and I thought, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
"He sounds like he wants to help himself get out of that situation," | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
and it'll be good for someone like me to help him, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
someone not in that situation, to help him get out of it. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
If I love him that much then I want to help him, which I do. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
In London, Amy has finished her first term at university. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
She's travelling back home to her Aunt Cassie's house in Kent. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:40 | |
Cassie is Amy's mum's sister... | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
Hello! | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
..and she's looked after Amy and her two younger siblings | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
since their mum was arrested four years ago. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
I'm not Mum, but I had to take on that mum role. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
How cool was that in the car earlier? | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
'She still comes back every weekend. | 0:13:58 | 0:13:59 | |
'She still treats this place like a home. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
'Hopefully, she's had enough stability' | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
to cushion any damage | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
that may have been done. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
Amy's mum and her stepdad, Nigel, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
were together for most of Amy's childhood. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
This was the collage we made. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
Me and Shaun made this, for Nigel. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
Both parents were heavy drinkers | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
and their relationship was turbulent. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
Always arguing... | 0:14:42 | 0:14:43 | |
Bookcases down the stairs. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
I remember at Christmas, the police came Christmas Eve | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
and our TVs were downstairs. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
They'd been, like, thrown down the stairs, or something. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
Or... | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
like, glass in the front door being punched in. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
The painting I did here - | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
very minimalist! | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
It was a birthday present for both of them. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
-For who? -Nigel and my mum, their birthdays are three days apart. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
"I got you a joint pressie. I did it myself, so it's not perfect. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
"Have a good birthday." | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
The house that Amy and her family lived in | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
is only round the corner from where she lives now. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
I don't know. It's one of those things | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
that I wouldn't go out of my way to walk past. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
There's always other routes, isn't there? | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
The lighter coloured, the second one along, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
that's our house - WAS our house. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
And the window, that was my bedroom. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
That was our mum's room, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
that one, Mum's and Nigel's. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
Not a nice feeling. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
'He was asleep.' | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
They were in bed and he was asleep | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
and she just got up | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
and went downstairs and got the knife. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
Stabbed him in his sleep. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
It's just cold. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
"A woman has been charged with murder | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
"after a man was found dead at a house in Chatham. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
"She will appear before Medway magistrates today. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
"Blinds were drawn yesterday at the house now at the centre | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
"of a murder inquiry." | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
Yeah, I felt empty. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
Really empty. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
Seasoned with shame. I'll just put that in there! | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
After Amy's mum was arrested, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
the murder charge was changed to manslaughter | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
on the grounds of diminished responsibility. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
Amy's mum was moved to a secure psychiatric hospital, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
where she is currently serving an indefinite sentence. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
Amy has never visited her. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
Leanne's boyfriend, Kyle, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:43 | |
has pleaded guilty to a serious knife attack. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
Not long ago I got my hair done | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
and I told the hairdresser | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
and I said, "What would you do if it was your partner?" | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
She said, "I don't think I'd be able to stick by him," | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
because... | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
well... | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
didn't think your boyfriend would be capable of something like that. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
Since he's been in prison, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
the background of the case has been made public. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
My phone rang and it was his mum | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
and she rang to say, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:17 | |
"He's got a big photo of him in the paper." | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
God! | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
I just don't want to see his face somewhere. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
It's just going to pop out. Oh, God! | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
It's there. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
Look, oh, he looks awful! | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
"Kyle Saddington, 23, armed himself with a hammer | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
"and went to the victim's home in the early hours of the morning, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
"after hearing the mother of his two children | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
"had struck up a relationship with the man." | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
'There was a time, not long before the incident, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
'where he'd got a new job and he was spending less time with us, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
'which made us grow apart a bit. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
'I'd met up with one of his closest friends at the time, a few times,' | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
and then that made Kyle immediately think we were up to no good. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
So, he'd went round to his friend's house to warn him away | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
and they ended up having a fight. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
During the fight, Kyle used a knife to attack the victim. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
It caught him on the throat, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
there and there. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
It was an attack both of jealousy and rage, yeah. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
I think in those few minutes he was having a fight, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
I don't think he stopped to think about us, when that happened. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
Just portrayed to be a really violent person. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
BABY TYLER CRIES | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
And the fact that I was six months pregnant with a second child, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
and I'm apparently in a relationship with a man, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
that makes me look like a right...dirty person, really. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
BABY CRIES | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
-Mummy! -Yeah? | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
-Mum? -Yeah? -Kyle's in the paper. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
Do you want to see it? | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
It's not very good at all. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
Oh, dear. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
Doesn't show you in a good light either, does it? | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
That's what I said. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:47 | |
What's Riley going to say when he sees his dad like that in the paper | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
with that sort of heading? Nobody thinks about that side. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
A few weeks later, Kyle writes from prison, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
concerned that because of what he's done, Leanne has stopped loving him. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
He's, like, really worried that I wasn't going to stay with him. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
So he says, "You all right, baby?" is the first thing. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
"I'm really worried about losing you. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
"I won't give you a reason for us to break up | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
"so it'll be down to you to stay strong. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
"I love you to pieces and you'll see when I'm out | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
"you weren't wrong to give me a chance. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
"Each day that goes by I realise more and more what a twat | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
"and selfish person I was being. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
"Each day that passes by I miss you so much more. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
"Also, what'd you reckon, five years' time, me in a black suit, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
"you in a white dress, priest says, 'Do you take her for your wife?' | 0:21:39 | 0:21:44 | |
" 'Yes.' What would your response be?" | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
Every relationship has a rollercoaster. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
This is one of the low points, I guess. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
'Who wants to be known for having a boyfriend in prison?' | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
It's not the best thing in the world, is it, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
to be known for having a criminal as a boyfriend? | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
Cai, come and get your toast. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
Can't you bring it up? | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
No, don't be lazy, man! | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
Me and my mum have always been quite close cos my dad's not been around. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
Should put a bigger coat on, but I can't be bothered. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
You should, you've got 'em. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:31 | |
I'm not being funny, that's really thin and you're always cold. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
'She is actually a lovely girl,' | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
but she does have her moments, I suppose, like most teenagers. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
But she can be really fun on a good day. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
Catia's relationship with her mum was put to the test last year | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
in the two months Jed was out. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
When he was last out of prison I did go a bit off the rails, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
you know, staying out and not coming home at all, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
and just having no respect for my mum's home | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
because I was in and out whenever I wanted. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
'Our relationship started going downhill in about March, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
'and I think that's when she actually started seeing him. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
'So he did influence her and our relationship.' | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
There was a point when I was on the verge of chucking her out, because of her attitude. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
Since Jed is released again in only a few weeks' time, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
Catia's mum has concerns that history will repeat itself. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
-As long as you don't behave the way you behaved last year. -Mm-mm. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
-I know that. -Yeah. I hope you mean that. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
-Yeah, I do. -Well, you do just need to be careful. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
Well. you're not stupid anyway, so... | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
Well...not most of the time, anyway. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
'I probably did upset my mum. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
'If it was my kid I would have felt the same.' | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
And by looking at it in someone else's shoes you do tend to... | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
think about it more and try and have a reaction to change that. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
When he comes out of prison, she needs to stay | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
the way she is being now, as opposed to going back to what she was. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
It was quite upsetting. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
Yeah. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
Not good at times. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
But hopefully we're getting there now. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
I hope so. Sorry. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
SHE SOBS | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
Sorry. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:29 | |
I just hope we can... build our relationship back again. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:38 | |
SHE SNIFFS | 0:24:40 | 0:24:41 | |
Neelam is 20 and lives in Birmingham with her extended family. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
I've always been a daddy's girl. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
I don't know why, I just always had this attachment with my dad. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
He used to come through the alleyway, through here, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
and I used to be like, sometimes, after prayer, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
I used to be standing here and I used to be looking at my dad, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
and then I used to run downstairs and start looking and stuff, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
because I knew my dad was going to have something to eat. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
There's my dad. He's got me picked up and us two are standing there. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
'My father was a very loving man, very caring. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
'He was very considerate, he was very supportive, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
'and he was more than a father,' | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
he was more than a friend. He was just...everything to me. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
He was my world. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
This is my brother's birthday film. There's my dad. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
In 2009, when Neelam was just 17, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
her father was arrested for attempted murder. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
The prosecution case was that Neelam's dad | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
and a gang of local people, including her two brothers, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
attacked a man they had a disagreement with, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
and that Neelam's dad stabbed him twice in the chest. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
Her two brothers were acquitted of attempted murder, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
but her father was found guilty and sentenced to 15 years. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
When he went, my whole world just shattered. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
In the morning, my grandma had been very sad. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:10 | |
She was crying, my aunt was crying. I come downstairs, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
my mum was like, "What happened? | 0:26:13 | 0:26:14 | |
And me and my sister said, "What's happened? Why is everyone crying?" | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
And she was like, "He's been sentenced to 15 years." | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
That's all we heard and we just all broke down. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
I didn't want to see daylight, I didn't want to get up, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
I didn't want to see nobody, I didn't want nobody to be there. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
I felt my whole world was destroyed. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:36 | |
I miss everything about him - his smile, his laughter, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
the way he'd laugh, the way he'd joke. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
I still remember all them things even though that's no longer there. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
I remember each and every bit of it. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
I look at this picture and it's bringing a lot of memories. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
This was his room and I'm sitting in the seat that my dad used to sit in the most. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
He used to have friends over who'd sit with him and tell us jokes. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:03 | |
This room was such a live room. Today it's died out. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
'Since her father's arrest, her mum has been ill with depression, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:12 | |
'so it's been down Neelam to look after her mum, gran and four siblings.' | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
I had to grow up at a very vulnerable age. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
I had to take on a lot of hassle and responsibilities. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
It's just my daily chores. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
Cooking, cleaning, taking my brother to school. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:32 | |
Just the normal... Laundry, washing... | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
You adjust to it, to be honest with you. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
You adjust with what you have to undertake, what responsibilities. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
You just get used to it. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
I had a lot of dreams, especially on school days, like a doctor, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
solicitor, psychiatrist. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
I wanted to travel the world. I had loads of ideas. | 0:27:54 | 0:28:00 | |
An artist, story writer... | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
But that was then. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
'With Neelam's career dreams on hold, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
'her focus is on holding her family together, and her dad's legal case.' | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
'She doesn't accept the official version of events | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
'and believes that her father was wrongly identified.' | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
'Neelam's decided to contest the guilty verdict.' | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
From day one I decided I will help my dad, I will prove him innocent. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
He had no previous convictions, he was a hard-working family man | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
who worked most of his life maintaining the family. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
I don't see why he would do that. He wouldn't. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
He wasn't that type of person. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
As his daughter, it's my duty to help my dad, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
knowing that he's been there for us. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
He's worked all of his life for us. He was there in our hard times. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
He did everything for us. I feel this is the least I can do. That's my dad. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
He's my first priority. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
Amy's back at university. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
She's now in the middle of her second term. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
There's loads of different opportunities at uni. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
Every society or club is there, so you basically take your pick. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:23 | |
I sign up to everything. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
Chess society, tea society, sci-fi society... I did everything. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
'At the university horse-riding club, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
'Amy met her new friend Amanda.' | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
Tell me how much you talk about each other's home life | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
and things like that and how all that got broached with you? | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
I don't remember how we discussed it. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:49 | |
Stuff like that... I'm quite close with Amanda so I don't mind. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
She basically just dropped it into conversation one time. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
I think we might've been talking about finance, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
and she was like, "I automatically got halls cos I'm in care", | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
and I didn't actually want to ask any questions so I didn't. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
I just thought, when she tells me, she tells me, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
I'm not going to pry into her personal life. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
It just came out over a few weeks. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
I do remember saying, "I'm sorry," like when someone dies, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
and you're like, "I'm sorry for your loss." | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
You just don't know what else to say. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
I just take the mick out so much, when people say sorry. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
It's like, yeah. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
Do you never worry that people will judge you? | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, so people assume. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
I can't imagine thinking like that. Would people actually think that? | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
That seems really horrible to me | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
because you know her and she's amazing. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
There's nothing her mum's ever done could change the person Amy is. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
I don't think it's related at all, she's awesome. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
You're such a sweetheart! | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
Outside of university, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
social workers are still encouraging Amy to make contact with her mum. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
But she still continues to defend her right not to. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
Thank you. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
Today, Amy and her brother Sean are speaking at a conference, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
to get their point of view across. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
-When did you write the speech? -Last night! | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
I wrote it out neat so I could read it. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
What's running through your mind right now? | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
I'm glad I didn't have breakfast! | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
It seemed, at least in our case, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
that because we didn't want contact with our parents, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
the sympathies went to our mother. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
And despite the fact we've suffered at the hand of her, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
the person who was meant to care about us most, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
everyone was, "Oh, poor mother." You know? | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
We were angry, we were hurt | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
and the only way we could show we were angry | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
was to not have contact with her. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
It's more or less the first time she's told that aspect of things. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:10 | |
I guess the first time you talk about it, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:16 | |
is always the hardest | 0:32:16 | 0:32:17 | |
and to talk about it in front of a group of people is even more so. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
Kids in my situation, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
we try to make the best out of a crappy situation. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
We do our best to make a family. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
-VOICE BREAKS: -We accept other people as ours. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:39 | |
And with the contact, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
it always seemed like there's a risk of tearing it apart. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
Em...that's it! | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
Well done, that was really good. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
-I'm sorry. -Thank you. -You did absolutely brilliant. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:11 | |
-You should be proud of yourselves. -Thank you. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
Is there ever a part of you that thinks | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
you'd like to say those things to your mum? | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
I don't know if I could. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
-Really? -No. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
I want to, but... | 0:33:33 | 0:33:34 | |
I don't think I could get it out. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
This is like, a lifetime of pent-up anger | 0:33:40 | 0:33:46 | |
and stress and upset. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
I can't imagine ever being able to kind of get rid of that. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
I don't know how I would. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
CHILD CRIES | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
-Are you tired? -Yeah... | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
Today, Leanne is due in court | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
to find out how long Kyle will get in prison. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
If he has to serve inside more than six years, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:25 | |
then that's most of my twenties' life over. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
'I'll be 28 then.' | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
So if he gets eight years and only serves half of that, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
providing he has good behaviour, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
so that's four years, then I'll be 26. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
So I'll still have half of my twenties to go with him | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
and we'll still feel young | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
and we'll still have a youthful life together, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
rather than just the more mature life together, if that makes sense. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
So, yeah, I still want to have my youthful life with somebody. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:03 | |
Because Kyle cut his victim on the neck, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
the crime falls within the most serious category of assault. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
As such, the sentence could be long. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
Well, this is what they're saying that he's in - category one. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
A starting point of 12 years and the range is 9 to 16 years' custody. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
So he could get 16 years? | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
Mm-hm. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
At worst. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
What would you do if he got 16 years? | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
I don't know. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
I'm not even going there. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
You'll be OK. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
You'll be OK. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
I'll come back as soon as I'm finished, OK? | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
Yeah? | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
I was so shaky when I was in there. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
Um, he got a total of five years, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
so he serves two-and-a-half years, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
but the last four months of that two-and-a-half years he could be out on tag, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
providing he's well-behaved. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
And then on licence for the remainder of the term. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:59 | |
So he could be out quite shortly, so it's a lot better than expected. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
I feel really bad for smiling because he's done something wrong, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:11 | |
but I think it was... the right amount of time. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
'I was so relieved that it wasn't longer. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
'I just thought of the children again, and I thought of me, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
'like, we've still got a chance of a good relationship, and we're still going to be young.' | 0:37:21 | 0:37:26 | |
So we've still got a chance at rebuilding everything. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
-Hiya. How are you? -OK. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
-You want to know, don't you? -I do want to know, of course I do. Um... | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
-I want to make sure that you're all right first. -Yeah. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
OK. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:47 | |
-He got five years. -Right. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
Um... Serves two-and-a-half. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
-He's already done four months of that, obviously. -Right. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
-So this little one's not going to see Daddy properly until he's about two. -Yeah... | 0:37:56 | 0:38:02 | |
-Unfortunately. But it could've been worse. -Yes. -A lot worse. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:08 | |
You know, the next year, certainly, will be a real tester for you. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
I know, yeah. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
'I wouldn't have been able to wait 12 years for him. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
'No way.' | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
That's just too much of my life gone. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
And it wouldn't have been fair on me. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
-SHE LAUGHS -That might sound selfish, but it wouldn't. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
I've not done... I've not done anything wrong. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
Kiss good night. Do you want the quilt on to keep you safe and warm? | 0:38:32 | 0:38:38 | |
You just think of all the things that Riley's done in his life so far, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
and all the things he's learnt, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
and all the little things you watch, and his little personalities | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
and how he changes, and you know that Kyle's going to miss out on all of that. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
No crime is worth committing | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
if you know what you're going to miss out on... | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
if you have a family. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
So you're going to miss out on a lot, aren't you? | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
But you don't know it. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
Over two years ago, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:15 | |
Neelam's father was convicted of attempted murder | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
and sentenced to 15 years in prison. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
Although Neelam left school with no qualifications | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
and has little knowledge of the legal system, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
she's taken on the main role of fighting her father's conviction. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:31 | |
Hi, I'd just like an update on my father's case. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
That's Mohammed Arif. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:36 | |
Can I leave a message? | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
Uh, can you let him know that I would like for him to put, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
you know the DNA and the forensic? | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
And forensic, I would like that to be added to the points. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
'I never thought in a million years that I would be researching, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
'investigating and looking into the different firms | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
'that deal with miscarriage of justice.' | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
Uh, hi, Claire, it's me, Neelam. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
'At first I had a lot of people saying, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:03 | |
' "You won't be able to do it," ' | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
because they felt I'd probably screw up, I'd probably do something wrong. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
Probably, the case won't be looked at | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
because I'm phoning in repeatedly at the courts, at solicitors... | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
The decision of whether her father's case will go to appeal | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
lies with the Criminal Cases Review Commission - the CCRC. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
Today, Neelam is attending a protest | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
and plans to deliver a letter demanding an update. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
-What do we want? -Justice. -When do we want it? -Now. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
-What do we want? -Justice. -When do we want it? -Now. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
'A lot of people believe that there's no smoke without fire. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
'They don't want to really look in depth, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
'they don't really want to know that, OK,' | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
there can be something a bit more to this. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
You know, they just believe, "OK, he's been charged, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
"there must be something in it, so he must be guilty." | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
-We're disgusted. -No justice. -We're disgusted. -No justice. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
-We're disgusted. -No justice. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
Not a lot of Asian women from the community can, obviously, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
stand up to, basically, do protests and go to these places | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
because it just doesn't be done. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
-What do we want? -Justice. -When do we want it? -Now. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
-Excuse me, can I give this letter in? -You want to give a letter in? | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
-It's for the CCRC. My dad's case is pending, so this is more information. -Yes. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
'It went brilliant.' | 0:41:13 | 0:41:14 | |
I got to give the letter I wanted to give in | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
and I think we got our point across. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:17 | |
I mean, there was a lot of people that were coming up to myself | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
and I was giving them leaflets as well. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
-We're disgusted. -No justice. -We're disgusted. -No justice. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
I believe in God, I believe God does exist | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
and I put my trust in my God | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
and I believe that he gave me this determination | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
and all this courage because, to be quite honest with you, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
when I first heard about my dad, I was completely broken. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
Out of everybody, I was the most broke. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
When I make a prayer | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
and I have this feeling in my heart that one day everything will be OK. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
In Slough, Catia is still waiting | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
for her boyfriend, Jed, to be released from prison, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
but as the date draws near, her mum's concerned that her behaviour | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
is going downhill again, like the last time he was out of prison. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
Catia, not the phone at the table, please. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
Why're you doing mine? | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
Cos I always do yours first. That's why I asked you to serve. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
I don't like loads of mince. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
-Just have potatoes, then. -I am. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
I'm not even hungry. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
-Yeah, just eat. -Why would I eat? | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
Cos it's my cooking. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:30 | |
It's just about... | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
..when you were coming in late, last year. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
Oh, fuck, no. I ain't talking about that bullshit. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
I refuse. I'm not doing it. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:43 | |
No, it's... Can you understand how it made me feel, though? | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
Yeah, but I don't want to talk about it. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
-Why? -Just don't. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
Fair enough. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
I know you don't want to talk about it. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
-So why are you going to carry on? -No, no, no. No. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
-I'm just going to say, you're not going to start doing it? -No. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:05 | |
-Are you sure? -Yeah. 100%. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
This morning, Jed will be released from prison. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
I'm actually a little bit nervous, funnily enough. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
I think I'm nervous for Catia. She's not nervous - I am. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:35 | |
What happens when he DOES come out? | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
How is she going to react? | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
Is she going to play up like she did last year? | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
I think that's probably what's bugging me as well. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
Hello! | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
I missed you. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
Did you miss me too? | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
Of course. Oh, my God. I love you. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
Love you too. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
-You're not cold? I got that jumper here. -Yeah. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
'If he got put back into prison that would be the end of it.' | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
He knows, my mum knows, everyone knows that would be the end of it. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
I don't want to have a married home with police banging on my door. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:36 | |
I don't want that life at all. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
I want a normal, happy, relaxed, settled life. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
But I trust him and I believe in him to not go back to prison. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:48 | |
It's emotional. It is. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
It's emotional that I get to be with my girl again. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
Have you missed her? | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
Beyond belief. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
There's not a day that went by I didn't think about her. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
To be honest, I probably don't hold much hope of him sticking to it, | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
but I'd like to think that he CAN change. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
It'd be nice to think at least someone can change their ways. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
If he changes he has to prove himself to me first, | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
and then to my mum, which is going to be hard, | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
cos earning my mum's trust is NOT easy. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
-New start, yeah? -Yeah. Promise. -Cool. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
-Can we go home? -Let's go home. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
And the night before that I had four hours' sleep. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
This means we can go home now. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
It's Christmas morning in Leicester. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
This year will be the first Christmas | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
Leanne has spent without Kyle since they met. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
Last night I said to Riley, "Santa's coming tonight, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
"so you've got to be asleep." | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
He went, "Don't want Santa. I want Daddy." | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
So I was like, "Aww. Can't have Daddy, can we?" | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
Ooh, it's good! | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
Christmas was a very different atmosphere. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:15 | |
I was like, "Let's try and keep this as normal as possible | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
"and do everything as we would as if Kyle was here." | 0:46:19 | 0:46:23 | |
'There was a big hole, really.' | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
That's from your great-nana, that is. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
Here you go. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:32 | |
BABY GURGLES | 0:46:32 | 0:46:34 | |
I need to open this one. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
I'm going to have to do it all over again next year, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
and probably all over again the next year as well. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
'So I've just to cope with it, just deal with it.' | 0:46:45 | 0:46:50 | |
Nemo! | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
It's like that song, isn't it? It'll be lonely this Christmas. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
-For me, anyway. -Here's two! Here's two! Look! | 0:46:56 | 0:47:03 | |
Going to be a good boy? Yeah? | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
Before she went on maternity leave, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
Leanne worked full-time as a civil servant. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
She and Kyle had lived comfortably on their joint incomes. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
But without Kyle's salary, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
she's struggling to keep up with the bills. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
'I knew that by the end of this month, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
'this will be the first month of my significantly lower maternity pay.' | 0:47:30 | 0:47:36 | |
'I'm going to have £128.73 per week.' | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
That's like 520 quid-ish. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
Considering my mortgage payment is £465, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:51 | |
doesn't leave me much for other things. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
One of my bills, gas and electricity, is £101. That puts me straight over. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:59 | |
Then I've got all the other things like insurances | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
and petrol money, car insurance... | 0:48:01 | 0:48:07 | |
Then I've got to pay out in advance the nursery fees, | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
so I'm going to be worse off by a few hundred each month | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
until I go back to work. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:15 | |
I spoke to Kyle about the difference in money, | 0:48:15 | 0:48:20 | |
but he can't do anything, can he? | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
No-one can really do anything. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
I just feel trapped now and then. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
I feel like my hands are tied with what I can do | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
and I'm going to get into a load of debt in the next three months. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
That scares me. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:35 | |
BABY CRIES | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
I know she's really starting to feel the financial strain | 0:48:38 | 0:48:43 | |
and possibly the emotional strain too. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
I think she feels more lonely than she expected and quite isolated. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:53 | |
I just see it as, "Right, you're a single mother now." | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
If you look at it in that way, just deal with it like everyone else does. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
It's been over six weeks since Neelam's protest. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
Today, she's waiting for a response from the CCRC | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
to find out of her father's case will go to the Court of Appeal. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:18 | |
"Dear Ms P, I refer to your letter dated 15th February 2012, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:26 | |
"in which you asked for an update on the progress made | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
"in the review of your father's case. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
"I have secured and examined the relevant case files | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
"of the police, the Crown Prosecution Service and the Crown Court. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
"I still need to see some additional police and court material | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
"to address specific issues that have been raised. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
"As we have already discussed, I will communicate to you in detail | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
"as soon as I have any significant information about the review." | 0:49:47 | 0:49:53 | |
What it said in the letter that my father's case ain't got a timescale. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:58 | |
They're still under investigation, they're still investigating | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
certain issues and they're still looking into the matter. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
I will never give up. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
It's been two weeks since Jed was released. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
He's been to sent to a bail hostel 50 miles away. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
It is the first time Catia has seen him since the day he was let out. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
-I missed you. -I missed you more. -I missed you more-er. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
I missed you more-er! | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
He's decided to treat her to a day at a go-karting track. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
It's important for Jed to stay out of Slough cos it just keeps him | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
away from the trouble that could happen | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
and he can just start afresh. New place, no people he knows. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
I'm 100% sure it will just be so much better. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
-Who do you think won? -Me! -You? -Nah, you let me off. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
Did you see how many time I let her go past me? I'm a gentleman. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
I told you before, I'd spend the rest of my life making it up to you, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:12 | |
that I'd never mess up again. Like, I don't know. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
You mean the world to me and I don't want to lose you again. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
Thank you. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
I've been going in and out of prison since I was 15 | 0:51:25 | 0:51:30 | |
and I think it's time to throw in the towel. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
It's time to grow up and move on. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
'I can't change Jed. Jed can change Jed.' | 0:51:36 | 0:51:41 | |
But by him wanting to change and having support from his girlfriend, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:46 | |
his stepmum, his other family members and friends | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
that want to help him, makes him feel that extra bit of support, | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
make him feel more confident about changing himself, | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
and that's what he needs. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
He needs something stable and something to boost him, to push him. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
And that's what he's got. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
Quickly, cos I'm at a weird angle there. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
Leanne has decided to deal with her money worries head on, | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
and plans to return to work earlier than expected. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
Going through what has happened in the last seven months or so, | 0:52:21 | 0:52:26 | |
I think I'm a lot stronger. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
Last couple of months, since the house has been better, | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
she's come on leaps and bounds. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
It's been really good and I admire her. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:35 | |
I don't know how she's does it, really. Amazing. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
The decision has refreshed her outlook, | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
and for the first time in months, | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
she's decided to have some time away from the kids. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
In an attempt to meet other young people in the area, | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
she's signed up for a new way to keep fit. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
Tonight I'm going pole dancing. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
It's my second time ever doing it, so it's not going to be great. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
It's probably going to be quite atrocious. But it's keeping fit. | 0:52:55 | 0:53:02 | |
I think it's been about over a year since I wore trainers. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
-Maybe two years. -I'm absolutely staggered! | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18... | 0:53:11 | 0:53:19 | |
She thought when it first happened that life would never be the same, | 0:53:19 | 0:53:24 | |
and yet she shows that if you're resilient enough | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
you can get through anything. It's a credit to her. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
I look ridiculous! | 0:53:30 | 0:53:32 | |
Looking in the mirror I just look insane! | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
I like a bit of me time now, even if it is once a fortnight or whatever. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
For an hour. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:45 | |
This is the card. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
It says, "Wishing you a magical Mother's Day", and then inside... | 0:54:07 | 0:54:12 | |
It's finding a card that doesn't say "Mother" on it cos I've never seen | 0:54:19 | 0:54:24 | |
a Mother's Day card with "Happy Mother's Day, Auntie." | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
You'll like the card. I hope you like the card anyway. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:34 | |
I already have the pain of losing a father, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:57 | |
my mother has the pain of losing her husband, | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
my grandma's got pain of losing her son. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
My auntie and uncle got pain of losing their brother. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
But my father, he's got pain of losing everybody. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
I'm staying with Kyle cos I love him and we've been through a lot. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
I wouldn't ever stay with someone for the sake of the kids | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
cos it will rub off on the kids that things aren't good. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:33 | |
But, yeah, I love him. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:35 | |
You always think, "I can see my life being like this in five years' time." | 0:55:47 | 0:55:51 | |
But I can't. I never know what my life's going to be like in five years' time. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:56 | |
Hopefully it will be good. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
We'll have our own place, got money, got jobs, got cars, settled, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:03 | |
and then maybe in ten years, kids and marriage and stuff like that. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:07 | |
'When I have kids I'll have the most boring family. It'll be glorious!' | 0:56:09 | 0:56:15 | |
I'd have a piano and I'll make jam even though I don't know how | 0:56:16 | 0:56:23 | |
and nothing of consequence would ever happen. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
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