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HMP Pentonville in London. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
Over 1,200 male prisoners. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
Just a mile down the road, HMP Holloway. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Over 450 female prisoners. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
SHE SHOUTS | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
Urgh! | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
Over a whole year, for the first time on television, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
the BBC has followed repeat offenders inside these jails... | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
Another day in paradise, eh? | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
And outside on release. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
Michael in Pentonville, and his fiancee Chloe in Holloway, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
hope to go straight together once they're free. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
Michael and me are getting married. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
It was love at first sight. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:42 | |
But a relationship behind bars is very different to the challenge | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
of the outside world. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:47 | |
Everything I said I would do I didn't do, and everything | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
I said I wouldn't do I managed to do. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
All I want is you to be out there getting back on track. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
Do it. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:57 | |
Ben has come to jail by choice. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
It's the quickest that way I thought I could get some help, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
cos out in the community it takes for ever to get off the drugs. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
Jayde is just 18, but she's in prison for the eighth time. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
I suppose I've always been a prison person. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
Jayde thinks of this place as home now. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
Half of prisoners from Britain's jails re-offend within one year. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:26 | |
Each has their own story. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
This programme contains strong language and some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting | 0:01:28 | 0:01:39 | |
Pentonville Prison. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
OFFICER SHOUTS ORDERS | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
Staff devote what time they can to preparing prisoners for release, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
but they also deal with incidents of violence or self-harm daily. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:54 | |
Today, a prisoner is refusing to leave to go to another jail. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
He's actually put a barricade up in his cell to prevent us | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
from going and getting him in his cell. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
He has to go today. The team will go in | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
and they will place hands on him. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
Now, a whole team of officers will have to get him out the hard way. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
Can you stand in the back of the cell, please? | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
Stand at the back of the cell. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
Giving you one last chance. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
Are you going to come now and report to reception? | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
No? OK. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:28 | |
An officer is also required to film every planned | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
intervention for safety and training. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
-MALE PRISONER: -I'm not going! | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
Incidents like these are commonplace at Pentonville, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
and soon, the prisoner is on his way out. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
Just one of 7,500 who come in and out of this jail each year. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
Every new prisoner must come through reception. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
Being a female on the front desk, I think it actually helps them a bit. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:10 | |
I mean, it's not very good for the street cred, is it, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
to hit me or spit at me or something like that. It's not good. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
One new arrival, Ben Knowlden, has chosen to come to jail. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:29 | |
I've been in jail 11 times. This is my 12th time in jail. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
-PRODUCER: -How old are you? | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
25. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:38 | |
I'm in for... It's a theft. I stole some money out of the safe at work. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:44 | |
-Why? -I'm a drug addict. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
I take crack and heroin, and basically, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
I just want to get off it and it's the quickest way that I thought | 0:03:52 | 0:03:58 | |
I could get some help, cos out in the community it takes for ever | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
to get off the drugs. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
And it takes for ever to try and get into rehab | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
and stuff like that, so I thought if I come to prison | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
and end up in court, I might be able to get court-ordered rehab | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
or something along them lines and detox myself off the drugs in prison | 0:04:11 | 0:04:16 | |
-so that I'm drug-free. -You deliberately committed that theft | 0:04:16 | 0:04:22 | |
so that you could get in jail so you could get the help you needed? | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
Yeah, pretty much. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:27 | |
A mile down the road, staff have their own problems to face. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:35 | |
Jayde West has already been in Holloway four times in the last | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
year on short sentences for drunken fights or stealing. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
Inside prison, she has a history of self-harm and a violent temper. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:51 | |
SHE SHOUTS | 0:04:51 | 0:04:52 | |
But this time, one thing is different. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
Now she is classed as a prolific offender, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
she faces a longer sentence than before. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
She'll be here for months and fears she'll now lose her beloved pet dog. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:07 | |
Every time that she's come in, we'll have periods of anxiety from her. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
When she's outside, she has nothing. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
Her biggest relationship is with her dog. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
It is quite sad, yeah. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
Man, they're trying to get rid of my BLEEP dog, mate. Watch, man. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
-I'm going to BLEEP go off my nut. -You're not going to go off your nut. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
Why are they trying to get rid of your dog? | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
Because I've only got until the 18th, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
and if I don't get back they're going to get rid of him. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
Yeah, but you've thought this so many other times, Jayde. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Yeah, but I know I'm not going to get bail, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
cos I'm in here for breaching my bail. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
-But you thought you'd lost it last time. -If I lose my dog, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
I'm going to kill myself, mate, watch. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
-Jayde? Jayde. -I don't even care no more. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
That dog's the only thing that stops me from BLEEP slitting my wrists. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
-Do you know what I mean? -I know. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
But it's got to be your reason for getting out | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
and not coming back in again. Every time you come in here, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
there's going to be a risk that you'll lose your dog. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
Having the longer sentence, it's made her realise | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
what's going to happen, and that will get longer | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
and longer and longer, so I think she's got her choice now. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
This is her crossroads. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:26 | |
Pentonville and Holloway are only a mile apart, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
but to two prisoners, it feels more like 1,000. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
Michael McAllister is on remand in Pentonville. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
He's 44, and has a record of drug-related crimes stretching | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
back to his 20s. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:52 | |
Down the road in Holloway Prison is Michael's fiancee Chloe. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
She's 24 and also has a long history of offending with drugs. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
They are charged with committing a serious offence together, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
a violent street robbery. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
Their trial will be in five months' time. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
Michael and Chloe have plans. They want to go straight | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
once they're free. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
So when we get out things are going to be different, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
definitely from my point of view, and I know from his as well. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
I've got things to look forward to. You know what I mean? | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
I've got a life to look forward to with Chloe, a future. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
Michael and me are getting married. He proposed to me | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
at Christmas and we were planning to have a long engagement, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
but because of everything that's happened we're going to go ahead | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
with it when we get out. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
Yeah, it was love at first sight. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
Me and Chloe, we write to each other three times a week. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
This is all Chloe's drawings since she's been in prison. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
She drew these things for me. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
She actually is quite a talented artist. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
That's Chloe the day we got arrested. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
That's taken in Covent Garden police station. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
And then the next one is me when I got arrested, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
the day I got arrested. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:06 | |
As you can see, I look the picture of health(!) | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
Every man I've been with before, it has always started off good | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
for a couple of months and then it's gone into violence, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
or there's always been some sort of reason why | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
the man wanted to be with me, whereas Michael just wanted me for me. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:24 | |
For prisoners, phone calls from one jail to another can be hard | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
to arrange. This morning in Pentonville, Michael is | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
waiting for a connection to Chloe in Holloway. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Poxy, isn't it, prison phone? | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
You know, they've had me waiting here for ages. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
Tried to phone the prison, not got through, try to phone again, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
not got through. Went on the office phone, got straight through. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Thanks, Gov, nice one. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
Hello, babe. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
Oh, so am I. I'm buzzing. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
Did you like your card? I thought you would. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
I miss you, baby. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Do they? I miss you so much now. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
Three and a half months is a long time, babe. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
You're my world, you know, baby. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
I love you so much, babe. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
Listen, get your inter-prison phone call for me. Oh. Gutted. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
Cut me off. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
Lauren Stevens has been coming in and out of Holloway for 22 years. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:29 | |
She has multiple convictions for shoplifting to fund a crack | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
and heroin habit. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
Right, fish is 'C'. Is fish 'C'? | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
But things are changing. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
For the first time ever, she's working inside prison, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
serving the evening meal for her fellow prisoners. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
Do you want gravy, love? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
I'm hoping this is my last time. I really am hoping, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
hoping, hoping, hoping this is my last time. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
I mean, I have been coming to prison since I was, what, 23? | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
In and out, in and out. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
The last couple of years have been the first time I have even got a job. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
The first time even I have been allowed to work. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
I've always thought, "I can beat the system," or whatever. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
At the end of the day, you can't. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
So it is a case of making it easier for yourself. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
-Where's our bowl? The bowl is there, love. -Oh! | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
-I am a million miles away. -Gravy, Monica? | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
If I looked at myself now, how I am now to how I was ten years ago, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
I would go, "Oh, look at her. Talking to screws," and whatever. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
Do you know what I mean? | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
How long has it taken you to learn that you can't beat the system? | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Since I was 23, I am 45 now | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
and I have learnt in the last three years, four years. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
I wish I had never took drugs when I was 21. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
I wish I had never taken it and didn't know about it | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
because obviously what you don't know, you don't miss. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
But that is not the case. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:54 | |
All I can do now is just fight my way through it to try | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
and stay clean, which I really want to do, I really want to do. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
But everyone has heard it and everyone says it in prison, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
it is always prison talk. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
But this time is it, and I mean it. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
That is what I really am hoping in my heart of all hopes. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
My heart of all hearts, even! | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
-I am going to make this coffee. Pass a spoon. -There you are. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
-Is that sweet enough? -Yeah, you put too much in. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
18-year-old Jayde still has her adult life ahead of her. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
She has been in Holloway a month. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
As well as her worries about her dog, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
Jayde's thoughts have turned to her own troubled family background. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
-Huh? -Why are you so upset? | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
Oh, everything, I fucking miss my dog, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
I miss my fucking all my family and that. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
I know it's my fault for being bad, I am not going to lie. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
It's just like, if I get found guilty of this I am going to | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
lose my flat, fuck knows what's going to happen to my dog. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
It's just mad. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
You have a lot of time to think about things in here, don't you? | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
Yeah. Like last night, right, I kept getting flashbacks | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
and I just fuckin' tied two ligatures and had two code blues. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
When I was a kid, my mum used to fuckin'... | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
She would stand there and slit her wrists in front of us. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
I just kept getting flashbacks of it. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
-Yeah. -Have you ever talked to anybody about it? -Huh? | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
Have you ever talked to anybody about it? | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
I don't really talk about the past, really. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
I don't even like her, let alone fucking talk about her. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
After Jayde threatens to strangle herself, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
she is placed on intermittent watch by the officers. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
Jayde? | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
Jayde? | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
Hello, Jayde from Hotel-9, code blue, Hotel-1 unit, over. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
INSTRUCTIONS ON RADIO | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
INDISTINCT CHATTER | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
Jayde. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:34 | |
Come off the mattress, pull the mattress out the way. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
Jayde has tied a ligature around her neck | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
and has wedged herself under the bed to stop officers removing it. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:51 | |
Jayde, stop it! | 0:14:01 | 0:14:02 | |
The officers have to act immediately to stop | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
Jayde from tightening the ligature any further. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
They then gradually pull her back to where they can ensure her safety. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
Let go, let go. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
Come on, trouble, come on. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
JAYDE MOANS | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
Finally, the ligature is back in safe hands. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
I hate you. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
'Jayde's behaviour at times is life-threatening, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
'but she doesn't actually comprehend that.' | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
It's all very well her saying, "Walk away and leave me." | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
The consequences if we did that could be awful. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
-All right. -Laters. -JAYDE SHOUTS | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
That's another one done. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
Outside prison, the lives of Michael and his fiancee Chloe are bound | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
together by more than drugs and criminality. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
They both have troubled childhoods | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
and traumatic experiences in later life. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
I also have issues around losing my daughter, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
my daughter was stillborn, it was a good few years ago now. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
I have never dealt with that, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
I have never really dealt with the grief involved with that. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
I just always used drugs to stop me feeling, to stop my emotions. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
Chloe had problems with things happening | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
with her children and stuff. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:54 | |
By the time I was about 14, I was snorting a bit of speed, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
doing pills and this and that. Then I got pregnant with my youngest. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
And I was still taking pills when I was pregnant, not full ones, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
I was sort of limiting myself. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
But I didn't really understand much about pregnancy back then, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
I was only young. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
I was six months pregnant when I found out as well. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
By the time she was born, I had her for about a year | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
with social services causing mayhem, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
but my nan was deemed too old to take care of her so she went to the | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
family and I spiralled downhill and I started injecting speed. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
I had already tried it, but I started doing it on a regular basis then. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
And then it went from speed to needing to come down after | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
something had happened and I was fed up of feeling wired, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
I had been awake for three days. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
So somebody let me try a bit of heroin | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
and I never really looked back then. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
No other drugs compared to heroin. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:00 | |
Chloe and Michael have applied to the | 0:17:04 | 0:17:05 | |
authorities for an inter-prison video link. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
And after five months inside prison, their request has been accepted. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
She said in her letter, she said to me, "You know what, I am going | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
"to look amazing, I am going to look beautiful, it's all for you, baby." | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
I can't wait. I'm really excited. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
I just wish I could hold her, you know? | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
Do you want to come straight through? It's started. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
-All right, cheers. -Hello. -Hello, babe. -You all right? | 0:17:33 | 0:17:39 | |
-Can you see me? -Yeah. -I can hardly see you, it is so dark, babe. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
-How's it all dark? -I don't know. -Is that better? | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
Lean back a bit. Back. That's it. I love you, babe. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:53 | |
-I miss you so much, you know that? -You're looking really good. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
-I know, I am doing all right. -Can you see my hair? -Yeah. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
-Do you like it? -Did you send me a lock of your hair? | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
-I haven't done it yet, no. -Oh, you look amazing, baby. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
Thank you. It's all this food, I have put weight on and I am not happy. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
I bent over to pick something up the other day and my cellmate, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Angel, turned round to me and said, "Your arse is looking bigger, Chloe." | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
-That's no problem. -It is nice to see him but, I try my hardest not to cry. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:24 | |
I wanted to give him a hug, I kept stroking the screen! | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
He was laughing at me. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
It beats the shit out of a five-minute phone call. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
You can't beat being able to actually see her, you know? | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
Many prisoners want to use their time inside to change. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
But Pentonville is a jail where staff often have their hands full. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
A lot of mentally disturbed | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
and disaffected men are being committed by the courts | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
for custodial sentences which is a huge strain on the landing staff. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
It is a strain on us being able to manage them and support them | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
appropriately cos they need a hell of a lot of support. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
Officers are dealing with a troubled inmate on G-Wing. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
Although he made cuts to himself, he squeezed a lot of cuts, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
filled up bowls with blood and then used it to smear the walls. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
I think he has put his name up on the wall in blood as well. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
He done it four days in a row. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
As I said, healthcare staff didn't know how much blood he had lost | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
so they moved him. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
A couple of days he will be back on here | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
doing exactly the same thing again. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
It's just... It's just continuous, I'm afraid. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
That's what you deal with. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
Ben Knowlden is on the neighbouring wing. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
He is one month into his sentence, and he's making progress. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
He's already drug-free. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
Finished my methadone, boy! Last day. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
-That's good, you're going to feel it. -But you know what, mate? | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
You are going to feel it. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
Yes, but I ain't got to wake up every day when I walk out of here | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
worrying about how am I going to get my next fix to feel better. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
Bruv, I'm sick of depending on other people, anyway, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
bruv, I need to stand on my own two feet, do you know what I mean? | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
Ben is taking offending behaviour courses. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
They are making him reflect on what keeps him | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
trapped in a cycle of drugs and crime. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
How was SDP? | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
-Almost finished, mate. -Yes, a week to go, yes? | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
One more week, ain't missed a session. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
You're getting quite deep in them groups, and I think... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
I've got nothing to hide, I've even a shed a tear over my dad in there, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
which hasn't happened since he died, apart from his funeral, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
and the day I was told he was dead. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
It's the first tear I've cried over him, do you know what I mean? | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
I never had a dad growing up, my mum was married a couple of occasions... | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
when I was when I was living with her - none of them was ever my dad. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
At age of 13, I did meet my dad, my real dad, so I started to see | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
my dad for a bit, it was difficult, do you know what I mean? | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
I didn't know him. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:17 | |
It was only for a couple of months, every other weekend, we had | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
a disagreement, and then I never saw him again for a further nine or ten years. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
When I went into rehab, my dad got in contact with me, we went to a | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
coffee shop, I just said, "Let's just forget everything, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
"and start afresh." | 0:21:35 | 0:21:36 | |
We were in contact on the phone, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
and he comes and visits me at the rehab a lot, and he came up more | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
than anyone else in my family, to be honest with you, every time | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
he came up it was like we had never been separated, know what I mean? | 0:21:45 | 0:21:50 | |
In March 2010, I got a phone call from my brother, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
saying my dad had been found about a two minute walk from his house, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
and he had committed suicide, he hung himself. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
Erm... | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
I lost my dad again, it's not nice, do you know what I mean? | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
That's the story of my dad. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
Jayde has been at Holloway prison for two months. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
She has calmed down and is no longer threatening self harm. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
Jayde has also been thinking about parents. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
The very first time she ever came to this prison was with her own mother. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
I was in here as a baby myself. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
INTERVIEWER: What do you mean? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
When I was a baby I was on D4, the mother and baby unit. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
My mum brought me here with her. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
So I suppose I've always been a prison person. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
Yes, of course I remember when I was a kid, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
not getting to see her all the time, for years on end sometimes. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
What was the mother and baby unit like? | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
It was all right, but you could... | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
it was still a cell, at the end of the day, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
with a baby in, it's just... weren't nice, I don't think. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
-How long did you have her in there with you? -Nine and a half months. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
That's when she was with foster carers. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
At the family centre. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
-How often did you go and see her at the family centre? -Once a week. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
And how long did you get there? | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
Sometimes only an hour. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
Now it's her 18th. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
Jayde has not seen her mum for almost two years. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
But, with only a few weeks left until she gets out, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
she has decided to try and build bridges. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
I've always wanted to be like mum, since I was a little kid I always | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
said I was going to go to Holloway, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
and I've been in here fucking six times now. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
Everyone knows my mum as Mad Dog, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
and she started calling me Mad Pup. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
Most of my fucking childhood she was in prison. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
She was in and out until she was what, 43, 44? | 0:24:14 | 0:24:19 | |
She's been out, like, five years. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:20 | |
She's doing all right. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
"I'm glad we're talking again as I've really missed you fucking loads, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
"and I need my mother there for me and I want you there for me, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
"and I want to see my brother and nephew, as well. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
"Thank you for the photos out of my wall with all my others, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
"but can you send me some of you as I haven't got any." There you go. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
I'm not reading no more. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
Cardigan... where am I going to wear that to? | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
No, I don't like that. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
Lauren is due in court tomorrow for sentencing on a shoplifting charge. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:55 | |
She's hoping the judge will release her into the community on a drug | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
treatment order. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:00 | |
This time I do really, genuinely want it, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
I've just had enough now, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
so let's hope God is on my side | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
and I get this DRR and I make it work for me. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
That's all right, look. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
Don't wear a hoodie! 100%, don't wear a hoodie! | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
Do not wear that yellow thing, for God's sake. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
Grey sweatshirt over the top? | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
Yes, to keep you warm. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
Don't wear that in front of the judge. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
Hoodies are disrespectful. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
Yeah. There's a little bag for my underwear. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
Don't you want gravy? | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
No, I want pasta! | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
Next! | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
Lauren hopes if she gets out tomorrow | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
she can finally say goodbye to drugs. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
I'm scared! | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
-I know, I know. -What's going on? | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
She's scared about tomorrow. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
Pentonville has an entire wing for addicted prisoners needing detox. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:14 | |
One inmate has broken prison rules, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
so staff have removed his television. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
Now, he is refusing to go back to his cell. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
Aaaagh! | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
Go on! | 0:26:24 | 0:26:25 | |
MAN: Aaaagh! | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
Twelve officers are needed just to get the prisoner locked up | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
safely in his cell. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:34 | |
Seriously violent prisoners, or those caught committing offences, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
like smuggling phones or drugs, are taken down to the segregation unit. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
DOOR CLOSES | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
In the Seg, dirty protests happen about once a month. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
Nowadays it's not officers who clean up the mess, it's us | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
inmates, so they're shitting on us, really. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
The old, "a job's a job," I suppose. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
That's the combination of what we're trying to clean, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
and that is food as well as his faeces. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
As you can see, he's clogged the aerials, and all over the buzzer. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
So he's given us a good task to try and get all that out, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
I don't know how we'll do it, we'll have to get a few matchsticks | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
or cotton buds or something to try and get it out now. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
It's all got to come out. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
Ben has been working in the Seg. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
His prison drug support worker has come to find him there, because | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
he has just been told that Ben can go to rehab after he leaves prison. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:50 | |
Yes, I've got some news back, you have the funding. | 0:27:55 | 0:28:00 | |
Sweet, how much? | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
-Don't know. They didn't tell me that. -That's all right. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
With a week until release, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
Ben has secured the help that he came into jail to get. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
I don't think it could have gone any better, to be honest with you. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
Everything has gone my way as far as the detox, my CARATS worker | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
helping me out as much as he can, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
working in here, it keeps me occupied. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -Prison has served its purpose for you? | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
Prison has served its purpose for me. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
The best thing I've ever done, it's saved my life. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
Did you see Clive? | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
Chloe will be leaving jail soon. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
She had her sentence reduced for pleading | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
guilty to the street robbery. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
But Michael, who pleaded not guilty, will be | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
serving another nine months inside. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
It means their plan to stay clean together outside of jail | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
is in tatters. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
Chloe will have to fight her battle against addiction on her own. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
I don't really want to get out on my own. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
But it is a chance to show him that I'm going to be there for him. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
I need to speak to my probation officer and explain to her that | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
although I've got the best intentions not to want to relapse, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
if that happens, I want to say to her I'm going to be honest with | 0:29:22 | 0:29:27 | |
her, but...with a lot of stress that I know I'm going to have going out, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:32 | |
then my reality, looking at it now, is that it could happen. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
Before, I was like, "No, no, it's not going to happen," | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
but, really, it could happen. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
I got lots of things to keep me busy, but, reality, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:46 | |
I can only do so much to keep busy | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
and if things start to get too much for me, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
then I might end up doing something stupid. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
Inside jail, Michael has done whatever he can | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
to prepare for a drug-free life when he gets out. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
Basically, I've done every course and group that's available in the prison. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:10 | |
Relapse prevention, harm minimisation, heroin awareness, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
cannabis group, and decided - it's time to change, you know? | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
I think I've reached a crossroads in my life so it's either | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
go back down that route and end up coming back here again | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
or do something different. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
If Chloe was using again, then it would've to... | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
-I'd have to re-evaluate things and relook at it. -Would you? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
Yeah, I would, yeah. If it got to the point where... | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
she was putting my liberty at risk and putting my clean time at risk, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
then I'd have to look at it again. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
It just depends what decisions you make in that first week, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
is whether it's going to work or not. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
Cos I've always had the same thought pattern when I've got clean, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
it's always my family, I miss them, and being away from them | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
makes you realise that but then, decisions later on are what count. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
We know what we want to do. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
We've got plans for the future, plans for what we want to do | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
and them plans don't include using drugs. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
'But I'm really worried. Really, really worried about her.' | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
That's it, sign that for me. Arms out. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
-Where are you off to today? -Southwark. -Sentence? -Yes. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
Lauren, too, is on her way out of Holloway | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
but she may be coming straight back here from court. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
-They're saying I shouldn't wear a hoodie to go to court. -Lauren, is this your book? -Yeah. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:38 | |
The court has to decide if Lauren, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
who's a prolific offender, is now ready for another chance on the out. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
After a two-hour hearing, the court sets Lauren free. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
But she's under a strict order. Probation will drug-test her | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
every week and unless she stays clean, she goes back to jail. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
-So? -Yeah, I got the DRR, so I'm all happy. -Yeah? -Yep. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:10 | |
-Tell me about what happened. -Nothing, he's just given me | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
the order. Given me a strict order that I've got to comply to | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
otherwise I'll just be bang in trouble, basically. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
-Yvonne, thank you very much for coming. -You're welcome. -I appreciate it very much. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
-Thank you, darling. -Good luck. -See you Monday. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
What she has to recognise, I think, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:27 | |
is that this will probably be her last chance. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
Because she's had the chances before and that's why we've done | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
such a tight treatment plan. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:36 | |
There's no gaps and if she makes a decision to lapse, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
then it's her choice to do that. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
Days from release, Ben hits a problem. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
He's applied to spend three days outside to visit his dad's | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
resting place before he goes to rehab, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
but the authorities say any delay could cause a relapse. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
Good news or bad news, Tim? | 0:33:08 | 0:33:09 | |
All right, this is the letter I got today. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
"Panel's preference for your own safety is that | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
"you go straight to rehab from prison. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
"If you are agreeable to this, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:17 | |
"I will guarantee you an overnight travel warrant to come | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
"and visit your family after you've been there for six weeks | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
"providing that rehab feel it is safe for you to do so. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
"This will give you time to settle into the programme | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
"and adjust to drug-free life outside of prison | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
"before dealing with the emotions of the family reunion." | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
-You know, I'm just a go-between at the moment, I don't... -Fucking joke, man. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
I'm going to the bang-up, Tim, I'm not in a good mood, all right? | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
Ben's personal officer Mr Barton has been keeping an eye on his progress. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
The thing is, you know what we're saying. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
We're not saying don't see your family. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
I'm going to go and see my family, see my dad's resting place. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
I couldn't give a shit whether the panel tell me | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
"You can't have 20 grand funding." They can poke it up their arse. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
-No-one's saying that... -I'm saying that. If that's what they say, they can poke it up their arses. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
The only thing they're saying is don't test positive for drugs when you come back to see us. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:11 | |
-I don't let no-one tell me what to do. -Tell yourself, then. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
No-one in here tells me what to do. Not you, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
-not any officer tells me what to do. -It's a choice you have to make. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
People can ask me to do stuff and I can say yes or no. No-one can tell me nothing. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
Well, it's a choice for yourself to make about the future. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
You're in charge of your life. I'm not, no-one else is. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
You're in charge of your life. When it goes good or bad, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
-you're in charge. It's up to you. -Yeah. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
Anyway, think about that. I'm going over F Wing again. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
-See you later on. -Yeah. -Think about it. You're doing well. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
-You're doing well here. I want you to keep going, right? -Yeah, sweet. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
Chloe has been out of prison a fortnight. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
She's not managed to stay drug-free as she and Michael had planned. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:10 | |
'Everything I said I would do I didn't do | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
'and everything I said I wouldn't do, I managed to do.' | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
I had £700. I didn't buy the sofa, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
I didn't do anything I was supposed to do and all I sent to him | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
was a £20 postal order and some photos and six stamps. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:26 | |
He said to me in a letter, "I wouldn't mind so much | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
"if you'd gone out, posted me what you were supposed to post me, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
"and just sorted me out so that I'm not really hard up in here | 0:35:32 | 0:35:37 | |
"and done a few things for the flat and THEN gone on a bender, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
"but you did it all the wrong way round." | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
I didn't blow it all on drugs, I think about 250, £300 on drugs | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
'but I felt very alone and my own thoughts run away with me | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
'when I realised that Michael wasn't here.' | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
Michael's been a big support to me all through me | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
losing my children and he's just always been there | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
so the fact he's not here now, it's been very... | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
It's just hard but now looking at it, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
it's not something that's totally impossible. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
I'm starting to realise that now which is why | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
I pulled away from using all the nonsense that went with it. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
Chloe is visiting Michael inside Pentonville, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
hoping that he can forgive her lapse. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
Do you like my dress? I fit into it. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
I miss you like fuck, babe. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
I miss you, too. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:34 | |
THEY KISS | 0:36:36 | 0:36:37 | |
At least you can come and see me every week now. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
-That's the main thing. -Unless you want to see me every week as well! | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
I didn't think you were going to. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
I really did think you were going to finish with me. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
I wouldn't have blamed you. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
-I just wanted you to stop and think about it. -I did, all the way home. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
And the next day. I was stubborn, so I sat on the train | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
and I thought, "He don't think I can do it. What a wanker. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
-"No, I WILL fucking do it." -SHE LAUGHS | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
If that's what keeps you clean, then it's good enough. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
If that's what works, that's what works. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
I didn't want to lose you as well. Obviously, that come into it. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
-As long as you promise not to die out on me, that's the only thing I want, right? -I don't want to. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:19 | |
Don't worry about me in that sense, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
I'm not going and doing anything silly. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
-I love you. -I love you too, baby. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
-I miss you so much, you know? -I miss you, too. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
-OFFICER: -Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
Can we finish now, please? Thank you. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
-I love you. See you later, baby. -Take care. -Take care, baby. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
'As much as I was angry with her, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
'and as much as I was really frustrated,' | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
I was just upset and I was hurt, you know what I mean? | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
She hurt me by doing that and she couldn't see that. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
She thought she was just doing it to herself. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
She's pulled herself back from it, back on track. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
Maybe a little late but I think it's a lesson she's learned now so...yeah. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:14 | |
POLICE SIREN | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Jayde is still inside Holloway, and is still calm. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
Today is her 19th birthday | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
and she's been hoping for cards from her mum and dad. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
-Dum, dum, dum...there you go. -Got a lot. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
That ain't a lot. No, I'm still waiting for my dad's one. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
And then whether my mum's sent one or not. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
Obviously, you can tell who that's from. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
ALL: # Happy birthday to you... | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
Inside jail, Jayde has a different sort of family. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
# Happy birthday to you. # | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
-Only 19? -Even Miss Peacock who was in my cell last night, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
she went, "How old are you tomorrow?" I went, "19." | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
She went, "No! I thought you were 21." I went, "No!" | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
Come on, you big rat. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
BOTH LAUGH | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
It's my birthday! | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
-FROM DISTANCE: -Happy birthday, mate! -Thank you. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
# Happy birthday to you | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
# Happy birthday, dear Jayde Happy birthday to you. # | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
-Shut up! -Hip-hip, hooray! | 0:39:21 | 0:39:22 | |
Four weeks later, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:25 | |
and Jayde has completed a three-month prison sentence. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
The hope is that all the thinking she's done in jail this time | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
will finally help her stay out for good. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
I wouldn't wish on anyone to come to prison | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
cos it ain't no life for no-one, even me, but obviously | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
I do want to stay out, have my own family and all that shit. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
-Going home again? -Yeah. Sixth time lucky! | 0:39:46 | 0:39:51 | |
This time, I'm not coming back. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
She's got to stay out of trouble because the more she does, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
the longer sentences she's going to get. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
-Going to miss you. -I'll miss you, too, baby. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
She'd better stay out of trouble because I told her, this is it. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:05 | |
-This is the end. I've had enough. -CHILD: Been going to work. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
Getting old now, I don't need it. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
There's my nan, ha ha! And my little cousin. Look at my little cousin! | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
Here she comes, watch. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:16 | |
-Ha ha! -Whoo! -Here you are, beau. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
Oh, wait, wait, I've got too many bags. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
THEY GIGGLE | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
MUFFLED TALKING | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
-Come here, you little bitch, ha ha! I miss you. -All right? -Yeah. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:36 | |
Don't tell me the keys broke, yeah? | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
Ben Knowlden, after three months, has also reached his last day inside. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:52 | |
-Yeah! -Keep you a couple of hours longer! | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
He has got permission to spend three days and nights on the outside. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
Why? | 0:41:01 | 0:41:02 | |
Before he gets to rehab, Ben wants to lay some ghosts to rest. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
I haven't seen him since we spread his ashes. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
It was right here. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:19 | |
Silly fucker, what did you do? | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
'I never grieved him. Never. It was important I come here.' | 0:41:29 | 0:41:35 | |
One of the last times I spoke to him, I saw him. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
Told him I wouldn't use again. And I did. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
'And I know he wasn't in my life. I feel like I didn't let him down... | 0:41:43 | 0:41:48 | |
'Well, I did in a sense because I told him, I promised him | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
'I wouldn't get back on it.' | 0:41:51 | 0:41:52 | |
And I did. So I kind of wanted to apologise to him. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
'And I give him a little fag. He liked a fag so I just give him a fag. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
'I did apologise. Not verbally.' | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
I did, though. I said it in my head. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
In my heart, in my head, yeah. See you later, dad. Love you. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
'So, I kind of owed it to him.' | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
It was quite important. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
When he goes to rehab, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:22 | |
Ben will have to tackle the deepest causes of his addiction. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
For many years, Lauren has struggled to stay drug-free outside jail. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
Today is her first drug test at probation. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
A lot of people tell me they find it so easy | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
to not take drugs in prison. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
And away from the firm boundaries, they just find it difficult to cope. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:51 | |
That's why I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't comply this time. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
So, I'm going to drug-test her. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
I don't think she's been using but I think... | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
She's admitted that she's been drinking over the weekend, so... | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
Here's your drug test. It's been a while, hasn't it? | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
Oh, no. You were having them in prison? | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
-No, not these ones. -There you go. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
Lauren's first test proved clean for crack and heroin. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
To be honest, I'm frightened. I've been running, basically. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:26 | |
Running from any situation that puts me in a high-risk situation, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:32 | |
in my eyes. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:33 | |
But when Lauren arrives for her next probation meeting, | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
she's been drinking again after a celebration breakfast with her son. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:43 | |
It was Elton's birthday so we had smoked salmon and poached eggs | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
-and champagne. -How much have you had to drink today, though, Lauren? | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
-Me? Just two glasses of champagne. -Two glasses of champagne? | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
Are you drinking more alcohol since you've stopped taking? | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
-No, not really. -No? So, it's about the same as you would usually? | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
-Yeah, yeah. -OK. -Nothing like... It's not every day. -OK. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
Not first thing in the morning... | 0:44:04 | 0:44:06 | |
I am drinking, because the sun's out, I think, more than anything. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
-OK. Do you drink every day? -No, I haven't drunk every day, no. -OK. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:13 | |
Of course I'll have a drink, I have to do something. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
I can't go from up there...from down there to up there in a straight line. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
Do you know what I mean? | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
I suppose I've got to vary it, waver a little bit, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
but just to keep trying. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
Alcohol is a trigger. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
Even though she believes that alcohol will not lead her | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
onto crack and heroin... | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
when we all have a drink and we're all intoxicated, | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
we all know that our inhibitions go | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
and we're not thinking as rationally as we are when we're sober | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
and so in my eyes and my experience of this job, alcohol is a trigger. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:52 | |
-Another day in paradise, eh? -Michael is still at Pentonville. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:08 | |
He has five months left, but Chloe has been out for six weeks. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:13 | |
She's tried to stay drug-free but has occasionally lapsed | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
and Michael fears that lapses will lead to disaster. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:22 | |
All I want you to is hold it down and get on with things. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
That's what I am doing. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:27 | |
All right, granted...because I've messed up, | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
you're just waiting for it to happen again. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
And I'd rather you not go from it from that angle, to be honest. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
Cos it makes me think, "Why should I bother? | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
-"He's thinking I'll mess up anyway." -See, that's a negative... | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
Because I'm a negative person, Michael. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
Yes, but Chloe...and so am I. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:45 | |
You show me things negative... | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
-We might as well just go round in a fucking circle, then. -Oh, you know what, Chlo? | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
When I come and see you, it's all, "You're not doing enough." | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
-That's how I feel. -I never say you're not doing enough, Chlo. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:45:59 | 0:46:00 | |
All I'm saying is, | 0:46:01 | 0:46:02 | |
the things that you are doing that are negative | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
are monumentally negative. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:06 | |
The things you are doing positive are that big. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
You know what I'm saying, Chlo? Come on. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
Am I sitting talking to myself here? | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
It's cos you keep prodding and prodding and prodding | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
and I'm going to snap, Michael. And I don't want to. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
I'm happy with you, I love you and I do not want to leave you | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
but I can't cope with the way you are with me. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
That's why I'm here asking you, what do you want me to do? | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
-Because I don't know. -Stop slamming the fucking table. -I'm stressed out, babe. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
All right, yeah, whatever. Listen to me, right? | 0:46:32 | 0:46:36 | |
All I want is you to be out there getting back on track. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
-I am. -Doing the things that you're doing. All right? | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
WRAPPER RUSTLES | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
I'll be happy when I can come on a visit | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
and you're actually sitting there happy to see me... | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
-I AM happy. -..not sitting there twiddling with the table, | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
not wanting to look at me or speak to me. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
I don't want to come and see you when you're like this. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
Ben Knowlden got safely to rehab | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
but once he was there, he lasted just three weeks. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
We found him in a town in Kent, staying with his brother's family | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
while he looked for somewhere to live. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
I fucked myself royally, bruv. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
Yeah, I know. Bent yourself over and shafted, mate. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
Can't blame no-one, can I? | 0:47:46 | 0:47:47 | |
Can only blame myself. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:51 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -What are you doing in Ashford? | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
Run away from rehab. | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
Had enough, mate. Couldn't handle it. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
All the emotions, that drove me crazy, mate. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
Three weeks and I was out the door, mate. Jumped on a train. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:12 | |
Scored some drugs. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:14 | |
So that was Saturday night? | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
Saturday night right through to Sunday morning, yeah. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
Spent every bit of money I had on me. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
Injected crack and heroin. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
Should be dead, but I'm not. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
When you say you should be dead... | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
Amount of drugs I used, mate. It's ridiculous. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
Silly amounts of drugs in my system. I ain't used for five months, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
so I just went and started using exactly what I was using | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
-when I stopped using, if that makes sense? -Yeah. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
With his chance of rehab gone, Ben will now face addiction alone. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:57 | |
Jayde is out of jail | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
and reunited with her dog. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
She's decided to take an important step | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
to mend her fractured relationship with her mum. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
Going to see my mother. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
Going to sort things out, but she knows this is her last chance. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
She fucks up once more, and then I'll be gone forever, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
you know what I mean? I ain't going to keep wasting my time with her. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:28 | |
-No point. INTERVIEWER: -She's let you down before. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
Yeah. Fucking more than once. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
During Jayde's childhood, her mum was often away in jail. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:43 | |
In recent years, they've been separated too. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
Mother! | 0:49:49 | 0:49:50 | |
Give us a kiss, then. You got to stay out now, though, Jayde. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
-You wearing make-up? -No, don't. -You're going girly! | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
What'd you get in court, then? I was going to come as well. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
12 months to six, but I only got time served, cos I done it all on remand. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
Yeah, well, now you got to stay out of trouble, Jayde. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
Don't be getting in with all them wrong dickheads | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
and if they say do, you say no. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:11 | |
It's bad enough me being in there all my life. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
I've been out five years now. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
Longest time I've been out. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
-They're not prison anyway, it's holiday camp. -A massive playground! | 0:50:18 | 0:50:23 | |
I've done most of the prisons in England. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
The biggest prison I ever done was in Jamaica. That's prison. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
When was the last time you were together? | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
About a year and a half ago. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
Come, come give me a cuddle. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
Get off my bum, you little nutter. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
Who's a good boy? | 0:50:44 | 0:50:46 | |
Are you my baby? | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
He's so spoiled. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
In jail, Michael's anxieties about Chloe have reached breaking point. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:01 | |
I got 16 weeks left | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
and I can't do that 16 weeks worrying about what she's doing out there. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:10 | |
Chloe has reverted very, very quickly | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
back to the Chloe that was last year. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
And basically, I can't be around somebody like that | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
and I just said to her, "Listen, I can't do this." | 0:51:21 | 0:51:23 | |
I says, "I think it's best if we..." | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
I said, "If I don't do this now, I'm going to end up hating you," | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
and I don't want to, because I do care about her and I do love her, | 0:51:29 | 0:51:35 | |
'and I do want to be with her but she's... | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
'She's too far gone at the moment.' | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
I said to her, "Listen, Chloe, I'm sorry, but... | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
"you know, I need somebody I can rely on out there, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
"I need somebody who's got on this right track, and that isn't you, | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
"so there is no me and you any more, and I'm finishing it now." | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
I just think that if we'd both got out together... | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
..it might have been different. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
But what can I say? | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
Ben Knowlden got another chance. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
Thanks for everything, yeah? | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
-Look after yourself. -I'll see you Saturday. -Yeah, Saturday. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
A few weeks after he walked out of rehab, | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
he left his brother's flat for supported housing in Folkestone. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
Despite his lapse, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:44 | |
he didn't let himself fall back into drug addiction. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
Gradually, he began to find a new determination. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
How's it been? | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
Up and down. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
I've got to drop it all out. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:58 | |
It's not a good life, is it? | 0:52:58 | 0:52:59 | |
Crime, prison, drugs.... | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
I got a lot of potential. I'm better than that. You know? | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
The drugs ain't the problem. I'm the problem. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
I just try and cover it up by using the drugs, | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
so I need to find myself before I can... | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
I was going to say before I can use drugs. I can't use drugs. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
I need to find myself. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
And by using substances, substituting with women, coffee...anything, | 0:53:25 | 0:53:31 | |
until I find myself... I've got to cut it all out | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
until I can find myself. Find Ben. That make sense? | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
Ben has stayed out of trouble for nine months. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
JAYDE LAUGHS | 0:53:47 | 0:53:48 | |
This is your personal statement bit, that you put at the front. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
-There. What you want to put in there? -I'm extremely confident. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
Jayde stayed out of jail. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
Years of attention from her probation officer finally paid off | 0:54:01 | 0:54:05 | |
and Jayde began to seek work. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
You can put that bit in writing. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
Health and safety, I take very seriously. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
'I'm really, really hopeful that by the time this licence period ends, | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
'she'll be in some sort of employment, | 0:54:16 | 0:54:18 | |
'which would be the making of her.' | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
If we pop a CV down to you, yeah? | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
'People think prisons are a holiday camp. They're not,' | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
but Holloway was her little escape | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
from having to deal with the harsh reality of trying to make her way | 0:54:29 | 0:54:33 | |
as an 18, 19-year-old. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:34 | |
Right, listen, let me go and get this CV that we've printed off. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
'I think having that longer period, four months, I think it was,' | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
that would give her an idea what it'd be like doing three or four years. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
There's some copies. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:47 | |
Keep that, because that's the original. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
'I do think that' | 0:54:50 | 0:54:51 | |
that's given her that extra incentive | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
and helped motivate her to do a lot better this time round, | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
and she really is doing a lot better. | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:02 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -Are we seeing a bit of a new Jayde? | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
I suppose so, yeah. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
In what way? | 0:55:09 | 0:55:10 | |
I don't drink every day no more. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
Drinking's the main thing that gets me in trouble | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
cos obviously, when I'm drunk, | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
I just fucking whack anyone, you know what I mean? | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
So... | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
But I want to stay out. You just got to want to, innit? | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
I just don't want to end up fucking keep going in there. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
When Lauren went back to Holloway, | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
it was not as an inmate but as a visitor. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
She had continued to drink but she had also stayed drug-free. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:49 | |
-I've put weight on! -Yes! | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
You look well, though. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
-All right? -Really well. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
I haven't used, that's all I know. All my drug tests are negative. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
-Yeah, you look really well, though. -Do I? -Yeah. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
I've had too many years of it. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
Just had enough. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
All right, darling. Love you. You look well. See you later. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
Lauren has now been out of Holloway for a whole year. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:17 | |
In January, Chloe visited Michael's flat for the last time | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
to remove her belongings. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
INTERVIEWER: How much time did you have together outside of prison? | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
Five months outside together, | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
but six months talking on the phone, brief meetings. Um... | 0:56:35 | 0:56:41 | |
And then obviously ten months inside. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
I've had some of the best laughs of my life with him. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
I really have, and it upsets me, | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
and also, it unnerves me that I could get someone so wrong. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
I just told him outright, "Look, you say I'm using off and on, | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
"no, I'm not committing offences and I won't lie to you." | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
If he would have shown me the trust already | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
and not focused his energy so much on, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
"Well, how can I trust you because you've done this?" | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
I'm a drug addict. I relapsed. That's all that I did. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
But I've just seen a totally different side to him. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
I saw a bit of that side when we relapsed before we went to prison, | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
and I said, "Yeah, I can cope with it," | 0:57:20 | 0:57:22 | |
because you take the rough with the smooth. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
But all I've had is constant rough, rough, rough, rough. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
And I can't turn up on a visit and be happy | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
if the person opposite me isn't even looking at me, | 0:57:30 | 0:57:32 | |
is looking at the floor and won't even make conversation. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:36 | |
He's just pushed me too far. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:37 | |
I just thought I'd take everything down, to be honest. | 0:57:56 | 0:58:00 | |
I can't sit looking at pictures on the wall | 0:58:00 | 0:58:04 | |
that are painful reminders, really. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
It says at the bottom here, look, "I just want to make you happy | 0:58:07 | 0:58:11 | |
"and as long as I'm using and drinking, you won't be. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:14 | |
"Who knows, maybe by the time you get this, | 0:58:14 | 0:58:16 | |
"it will be already too late and you'll have had enough. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
"I wouldn't blame you. Love you always." | 0:58:19 | 0:58:21 | |
Long, tall and short of it, isn't it, really? | 0:58:23 | 0:58:25 | |
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