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This is the Dragons' Den. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
Over the last six years | 0:00:04 | 0:00:05 | |
nearly 700 entrepreneurs have walked up the stairs looking for investment. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:10 | |
Before them, five of Britain's most successful business brains, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
collectively worth a reported £1 billion. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
Convincing them to part with their cash isn't easy but tonight | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
they have agreed to share their tips for success. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
-From the initial idea to the pitch. -Are you ready for the alternative? | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
From the business plan... | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
Probably the tidiest patent I've ever seen. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
-..to in the negotiation. -5% each, 10% in total. -Oh! | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
These are the business secrets that work outside the Den and within, revealed by the Dragons themselves | 0:00:40 | 0:00:46 | |
and the brave entrepreneurs who have dared to stand before them. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
Over the last three weeks the Dragons have shared their wisdom on pitching... | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
I've completely lost it. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
-..negotiation... -40%. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
-30%. -..and money-making ideas... | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
I invented the toaster bag in 1999. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
Tonight on How To Win In The Den, we unlock the Dragons' secrets to a successful business plan. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:23 | |
It absolutely staggers me when people come into the Den | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
with a muddled business plan or actually sometimes without a plan. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:35 | |
Now whether they have lost it coming up the stairs I do not know. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
Whether it's your household budget or family holiday, planning is a vital part of everyday life. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:44 | |
And when it comes to running a successful business, it's no different. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
One of the most important predictors of whether a business will succeed | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
is whether there's a plan. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
-What is your business plan? -I want to make this into something that will really sell. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
I want the £7 million turnover within five years. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
I've learned a lot about business planning is to have one. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
I didn't have one at the start! | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
So you're probably admit to me that your business skills | 0:02:13 | 0:02:14 | |
-probably would need a bit of help. -I would say that, yeah. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
It's so important to know who your market is, who your competition is. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
I know about stock, ordering, I studied chartered accountancy. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:29 | |
It's so important to get that business plan spot on. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
Now the Dragons are catching up with their investments. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
One thing I want you to know from me is I would not want to be | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
involved as a minority investor with all your family involved. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
And revisiting some of the entrepreneurs whose business plans failed to impress. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:53 | |
-You've gone into the coffin business? -With a twist. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
So if you're an entrepreneur in the making, pay attention. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
-Investors expect your figures to be right. -Timing is everything. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
Set realistic goals. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
You really do need to be sensible. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
It's you that makes the plan come together. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
These are the lessons you need to run a successful business. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
Every entrepreneur who comes looking for a Dragon's investment must come prepared for battle. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
Going into the Den without a business plan is like getting into your car without insurance. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:35 | |
But without the goods to back it up, a business plan is not worth the paper it's written on. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:41 | |
I cannot imagine that you're ever going to see any part of your £200,000 recouped. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:49 | |
So the Dragons' first lesson is set realistic targets. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:55 | |
One of the important things for a plan to do | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
is to just set out projections of where the business is going to go. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
What's your forecast going forward over the next three years? | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
Next year it's projected at a combined turnover of 3.4 million with a £240,000 net profit. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:15 | |
Now the key thing is that there must be some evidence, some reason | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
for thinking what you're thinking about how much you can sell. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Have you got anything that supports that 3.4 million growth? | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
We've got an order, the contract value is between £2 million and £20 million a year. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:33 | |
It's remarkable how many people will make a plan that comes really from nowhere at all. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:40 | |
What do you reckon you're going to do this year? | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Erm... | 0:04:42 | 0:04:43 | |
-A few million? -Are you making it up as we go along? -No, it could be 5 million. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:53 | |
And when it comes to the Den, it's amazing how many people have set absolutely no targets at all. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
I am astonished about how many people actually turn up in the Den without a plan. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
The business you're asking us to invest in, though, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
-doesn't exist at the moment? -That's right. -So to set up a new website that doesn't exist yet, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:18 | |
has no customers, no revenue, no barriers to entry, nothing that you'd call a business... | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
-That's right. -And you want me to invest in that? | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
Yes. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
They actually can't tell me what they're going to do with the money, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
never mind how they're going to make money. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
So how do I make my £100,000 back? | 0:05:30 | 0:05:35 | |
It's a great question and I'm struggling to answer it. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
It isn't just about the numbers, it's how to get there. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
-How can you generate £150,000? -Five advisers answering five calls an hour. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
So you need 2,000 calls a week? How much money are you going to make, what are you going to turn over? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
If they're all customers like you, maybe not as much as I thought! | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
Two entrepreneurs whose solid business plan caught the interest of all five Dragons back in 2010 | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
were Richard Blakesley and Chris Barnardo. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
Although it didn't harm that their product was pretty impressive as well. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Hi, we're the wand company and we're here today to ask for | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
£200,000 investment for a 10% stake in our company. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
Arthur C Clarke is famous for having said, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
The magic market, fantasy market is huge. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
We thought that Richard and I would get together and make some really magical products. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
Our first one is a real magic wand. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
I thought the magic wand guys | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
were possibly the best I've ever seen on Dragons' Den. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
With this wand I can, for example... | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
..play some music. I can rotate it to turn the volume up. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
I can give it a flick to change tracks. Stop the music. | 0:06:55 | 0:07:01 | |
In fact, you can control almost anything in your house. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
Fantastic. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
Everyone wants to zap someone, you know? | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
I can turn on the TV. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
Dab, dab, dab, dab, dab, dab... | 0:07:10 | 0:07:11 | |
Rewind, pause. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
# Da-da, la-da, da-da, la-da, da-da-da... # | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
Or even things like lighting. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
Fair play, that was a really good demo. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
We started the company last year and by Christmas | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
we'd sold over 10,000 units but we feel that with your help, investment and expertise we could take | 0:07:23 | 0:07:29 | |
The Wand Company to a revenue of about £18 million within three years. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
A good product rarely gains investment without a realistic business plan. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
And Theo Paphitis was keen to hear the duo's sales targets and how they were going to achieve them. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:45 | |
How many do you really believe you can sell? | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
Have you got the financial year? | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
-We are projecting conservatively £1.2 million. -For? -This year. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
How much net profit are you going to make out of 1.2 million? | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
-50%, 0.6 million. -£600,000. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
What makes you think that you require my £200,000? | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
We don't need the cash to make this worst-case forecast we're talking about | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
but we're saying with your investment we can do say £3 million. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
-The worst case is 1.2 million? -Yeah. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
We're just concluding a deal with Target in the US | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
and one of our distributors wants to put the product into SkyMall. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
-They are putting it into SkyMall. -Oh they are, OK. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
SkyMall, for example, is a magazine in the back of the seat | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
of every internal US flight, pretty much 600 million people a year sit in front of that. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:33 | |
With ambitious targets but more importantly | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
a strategy of how to meet them, Duncan Bannatyne was sold on both the duo and their business plan. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:43 | |
I'm going to make you an offer for all the money, the £200,000, but I want not 10% | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
but 30% of the company. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
If you make £600,000 profit I'll give you 10% of the equity back. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:01 | |
-Is that a deal? -Can we ask of anyone else is interested? | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
You can if you want to but you'll be wasting your time. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
Thank you. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
I'd like to offer you the full amount of money for 25% of the equity. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:15 | |
With the confidence that comes from having two offers already on the table, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
the duo even set their own targets when it came to the negotiation. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
What offer would you like from me that would make you happy? | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
20%, going down to say 10 if we make 1.2 net profit. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
-Does that work for you? -That would work. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
I don't think we were | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
playing them off against each other, we just wanted to understand what | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
the range of deals available to us were going to be. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
It's a consumer retail product but I don't know everything about all of your businesses but my impression is | 0:09:45 | 0:09:51 | |
that Theo and Peter have got the strongest connections in that market. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:57 | |
You'd be wrong to assess that, | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
that the other Dragons have more connections than me. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
Can either of you move at all on your offers then? | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
I could actually feel they would have been happy to walk away | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
rather than take a deal that wasn't working for them. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
So it was either make a better offer or lose the investment. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
OK, well, I'll improve mine | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
and I'll drop to 10% if you make 1.2 million. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
OK. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
Deborah Meaden and former Dragon James Caan were also won over by the duo's strategy | 0:10:23 | 0:10:29 | |
and made attractive offers and after a lengthy negotiation the entrepreneurs made their choice. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:35 | |
Duncan, we'd like to accept your offer. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
Thank you. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:38 | |
Anyone coming on Dragons' Den should watch their pitch, watch what they did before they come on Dragons' Den. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:47 | |
I have to say they played that masterfully. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
It's a year since Chris and Richard appeared in the Den and business is booming. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:56 | |
The duo say they've more met their targets, turning over a reported 1.8 million last year. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:02 | |
We are well ahead of the worst-case forecast that we gave in the Den. We haven't quite hit | 0:11:02 | 0:11:08 | |
the best-case scenario that we presented but we are pretty happy with how things are going so far. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
Just push it in. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:14 | |
And now the company is Tokyo bound with a new target to go global. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:22 | |
They say they've sold over 60,000 units worldwide with 10,000 of | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
their magical products sold in their first ten weeks of trading in Japan. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:33 | |
The Japanese love our product. They didn't to start with really understand it. They don't have | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
a heritage of a magic wand but once they got the idea, they absolutely loved it. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:42 | |
And the company's rapid international success has not gone unnoticed. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
Chris and Richard have been working closely with | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
the Government's trade and investment organisation to help meet their international targets. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
They have a programme called the OMIS programme | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
where you can commission reports for different countries where they list the retailers, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
list the entry into those retailers and help you get into that market. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
Today the boys have been invited to rub shoulders with some of the country's | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
business VIPs at the UK trade and investment strategy launch. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:24 | |
And one of the biggest names at this exclusive event is Government Business Secretary Vince Cable. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:30 | |
-Nice to meet you. -I've heard about your exploits. -Really? | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
-You've got it in Japan. -Exactly. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
Via the UKTI. We wanted to go there and it will probably be about | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
-half our revenue this year. -In Japan? -Yeah. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
The Wand Company is an example of how Britain is going to recover and get out of its economic mess. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:49 | |
They're a mini multinational already and they attribute a large part of | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
their success, particularly in Japan, to their work with UKTI. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
The duo's realistic targets and solid approach have paved their way to success. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:05 | |
The Wand Company, I see the two founders are in the front row, an amazing story... | 0:13:05 | 0:13:11 | |
And it's all the more impressive given that they chose not to sign the deal with their Dragon investor. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:18 | |
As it happens, within days they signed a new agreement with a distributor, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
but the Wand just started selling and flying off the shelves and they | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
very politely turned round to me and said, "We are really sorry, Duncan, but we don't need you." | 0:13:25 | 0:13:31 | |
I was very happy to let it go because they were right, they didn't need me. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
I think we'd have liked to have had his involvement. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
I think from our point of view, it has allowed us to take the company where we wanted to go without having | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
to ask anybody else and I think we've done all right, actually. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
There's only one person responsible for turning a business plan | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
into a successful venture, the entrepreneur. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
One of the things I say about investing is I've got to trust the people I invest in. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
So convincing the Dragons you can pull it off is absolutely essential. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:12 | |
Investable as a person myself? | 0:14:12 | 0:14:13 | |
No, absolutely not! | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
So the Dragons' next piece of advice is YOU make it happen. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:22 | |
# I'm on the right track, baby | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
# I was born this way... # | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
Once they like you, the Dragons will view everything you say positively. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
You are good and you've definitely got it so I expect we'll see you at some... | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
You might even be sitting in one of these chairs one day. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
If they don't like you, it will be the reverse. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
I couldn't spend the time on my own dealing with you two, it would drive me round the bend. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
So what would happen now | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
if I made you an offer and said I didn't want you two managing the company? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:56 | |
And when it comes to the Dragons evaluating whether your business plan | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
is going to sink or swim, the likeability factor is key. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:06 | |
There is one individual that is going to make a business work | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
and it is the entrepreneur that created the business plan in the first place. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:15 | |
You could say to me, "Peter, if you were to put £100,000 | 0:15:15 | 0:15:16 | |
"into this product I will do nothing else until this works." | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
This product does not require me working 100%. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
You might like that but it's not what it actually requires. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
It's important that they are determined, focused... | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
-I've been self-employed since I was 13. -Doing what? | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
I had a little car wash company that I sold to my neighbour for £10. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
They've got to have all the qualities necessary to deliver business success. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
Businesses don't fail, aeroplanes don't crash, pilots crash airplanes. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
-The people fail. -Is that true? -Yes. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
If you don't believe in a business plan, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
if you don't have the enthusiasm to carry it out, it won't work. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
To be honest with you, I am only now interested in becoming | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
a business person, it's actually coming to me now, I can feel it. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
Tell me how! | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
I was tunnel-visioned and focused for 11 years totally on succeeding. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:10 | |
And I ran it to plan. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
How on earth do you expect anybody to invest in you? | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
You would make my foot itch. I'm out. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
One trio whose sheer determination has turned their business into | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
a success are Ray Duffy, Chris O'Nyan and Dean Walton. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
They entered the Den in 2009 looking for investment of £50,000 | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
for 10% of their novelty mask company. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
We are the Three Masketeers from Masquerade.com, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
we create personalised and character products for stag dos, hen dos, corporate events and charity events. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:54 | |
So you think if I have a party I'll order 400 masks of myself? | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
No, your friend would order masks of you. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
The idea is you walk into a room and everybody is wearing your face. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
Wow. Wouldn't you love that, Peter? Everybody would be you. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
I do quite like that, actually. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
In spite of an endorsement from a seemingly airbrushed Duncan Bannatyne... | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
I think the masks are fantastic. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
For that reason, I'd like to invest. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
-..the Dragons couldn't see money-making potential in their business plan. -I'm afraid I'm out. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:28 | |
-Thank you very much. -Thanks, guys. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
Although the Dragons wouldn't invest, the entrepreneurial trio didn't give up on | 0:17:35 | 0:17:40 | |
their business strategy and two years on their tenacity and vision | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
has meant their company is growing into a successful brand. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:47 | |
We sat down and plotted where we should be in three years | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
and it is mirroring the conversation that we had. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
It's fantastic to realise where it's going. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
As part of their plan, the creative trio knew they needed | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
an original marketing concept so they came up with a publicity-grabbing idea. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:06 | |
Every time there was a celebrity in town, we always | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
produced masks of them and set about going to meet them. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
The reaction has always been fantastic and we would follow that up with a photo, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
which we send to the local newspapers and nationals even. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
We have had an amazing success rate with our stories about celebrity encounters | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
and our autograph mask collection, which is well over 100 and adorning our wall of fame. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:31 | |
And the trio's business also benefited from the world's hottest ticket of 2011. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:37 | |
We met a well-known chain store, they placed an initial order with us for Kate and William masks. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:44 | |
They've now taken over 60,000 masks of us and they're selling like hot cakes at the moment. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:50 | |
Last year the company reported a turnover £160,000 with a profit of £20,000 | 0:18:50 | 0:18:57 | |
but having already sold 300,000 masks this year, they say their profit is set to quadruple. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:04 | |
But none of this would have happened without a bit of added grit and determination. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
This is our baby, our passion. It's what we've forsaken friends, family and everything for to build. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:15 | |
The proof of the pudding is there in the figures and the amount our business increases month on month | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
on month, it will make all the figures we thought it would and it will go above and beyond. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
If an entrepreneur wants their business plan to be taken seriously, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
they need to make sure their figures add up. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
Just praying everything sticks in my head and all the figures | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
and everything look good in there, they are there when I need them. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
So the Dragons' next lesson is - get the numbers right. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:56 | |
Some people come into the Den | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
and show they really understand their business. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
How much profit did you make? | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
We actually made a net of 170,000, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
but I invested 150 into the development of these products. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
And you get others who come to the Den who don't have the discipline | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
to think about all the things that go into a business. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
And if you don't know your numbers, you don't know your business. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
-What's the return on that investment? -Considerable. -I'm looking for a number. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
-Turnover. -SHE SIGHS | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
Everything's just leaving me right now. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
The sales were... I think the turnover was... | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
Numbers isn't my strong point, to be honest. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
I gathered numbers weren't your strong point! | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
Once the Dragons do hear an entrepreneur's calculations, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
they might have wished they'd never asked. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
From the confused... | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
-How much? -60. Wait, 20...? | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
No, it's not, sorry. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
That would be 480. No, it wouldn't. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
..to the bemused. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
-What's going to be the turnover? -It should be about £100,000. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
The turnover was 200,000 and the profit was 100,000. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
He said 100,000 minute ago. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
-I know, but he's getting his figures mixed up. -Should I ignore you? | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
A little bit, I think! | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
One couple who left the Dragons to figure it out were Liz and Alan Colleran. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
The husband and wife team entered the Den this year | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
looking for investment in their innovative caravan sleeping bag. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
Hello, Dragons. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
Our company's Raskelf Memory Foam, and we're pitching for £80,000 | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
for 10% of our business. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
We've been married 28 years | 0:21:50 | 0:21:51 | |
and our company came about from a simple idea we had whilst we were out caravanning with the children. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
Our bestselling product is also our most innovative product - | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
the Duvalay. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:01 | |
The Duvalay sleep system is really simple. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
It has a special memory foam base which smoothes out | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
the lumps and bumps in caravan seats. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
It's joined, it can't come off, you can't get a cold back or bottom, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
you can have one for single or simply put two together to make a double. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
So far, we've sold about 10,000 of these units. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
So that's sales of about £1 million on this product alone. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
In fact, we can't make them fast enough. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
And we need your help and expertise | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
to help us break into the huge European and American markets. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
Thank you for listening. Would you like to come and try? | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
Liz and Alan had delivered their vision for the business. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
It is quite cosy, that. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:44 | |
But it was Deborah Meaden who wanted to drill down further into the company figures. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
Can you talk me through your P&L just for last year, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
just tell me what you're spending your money on. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
-We've got a factory, shop, show rooms. -Wages. -Wages, staff... | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
-What kind of money are they, then? Factory? -Um... -That's 16,000 a year. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
A lot of entrepreneurs don't understand a balance sheet, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
don't understand a P&L. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
And don't really understand the numbers. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
-Staff? -Staff? We've got 10 staff. -10 staff? -Don't know. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
'I think as soon as you start to stutter or blunder on it,' | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
you're more inclined for the Dragons to think, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
"Do they really know what they're talking about?" | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
I don't know. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
-You don't know? Don't know. -It doesn't sound good. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
'You have to know your numbers, and the profit and loss.' | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
You HAVE to understand the fundamentals of your business. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
Erm... | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
We don't know. We don't have those details, I'm afraid. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
Once that we couldn't get one of the figures out, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
that was it, Deborah really, you know, tore into us. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
I'm an investor. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:54 | |
All I want to know from you | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
is how your business works | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
and things like what is your wage bill | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
is pretty simple stuff. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
We were focusing on the product. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
We prepared the figures for the product and the sales. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
We probably neglected the fact the Dragons | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
were going to invest in the business, not just the product. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
You should know. Absolutely you should know. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
Liz and Alan's lack of financial knowledge | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
had gone down badly with the Dragons | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
and three declared themselves out in quick succession. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
But would Deborah Meaden, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
who made her fortune in the holiday park industry, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
invest in the couple's caravanning business plan? | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
You have got to give me a reason | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
and enough information to want to hand you my money | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
because I honestly... I promise you this, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
if you had, you'd have had an investment from me. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
I'm sorry, Deborah. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
And for that reason, I'm out. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Only Hillary Devey remained, but would the new Dragon | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
be able to overlook the duo's poor grasp of their finances? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
If I liked the product, and I could empathise with the people, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
and I can see a route to market, then I possibly would invest, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
even if they didn't have a business plan. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
You need some input into the business to help you | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
with the direction, but because I do think it has got vision... | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
..I'll offer you the full amount... | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
..but I want 26%. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
-You couldn't make it 20%? -No. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
I'm sorry, I can't move from 26. No. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
Can we go and have a word? | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
Liz and Alan had secured an offer, but not knowing their figures had cost them dearly | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
as Hillary was demanding 16% more equity | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
than they'd originally wanted to give away. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
You're making big decisions in there, very big decisions. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
We'd had built a business over seven years | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
and we're giving 26% of it away. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
And, you know, it's not something you do lightly. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
Yes, please! We'd love it. Thank you. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
'If I was to go back into the Den,' | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
I would definitely make sure I knew those figures. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
You'd be foolish not to. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
-Look forward to working with you guys. -Thank you, we do as well. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
Once a deal has been agreed in principle in the Den, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
both parties go through the regular business process of due diligence before the contract is finalised. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
Is there a lot to go today? | 0:26:52 | 0:26:53 | |
You've got one done? All sorted. Lovely. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
Four weeks on, Liz and Alan are itching to get their Dragon's input | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
into the family business they run with their two sons. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
Hillary will bring to the business some focus. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
There's so many different ways our business could go and so many different ideas that we've got, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:14 | |
it's hard trying to structure them all. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
Last year, the company turned over just under £800,000, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
making a profit of £108,000. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
But with their Dragon on board, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
the couple might one day be able to stump up the cash | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
for a quaint little country retreat like Hillary's. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
-This is my home. -Lovely house. -This is lovely, yeah. Gorgeous. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
Today, Liz and Alan are meeting Hillary to discuss the best strategy | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
-for taking the company forward. -Come on through, I'll make you a cup of tea. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
And the couple know exactly what they want out of their Dragon. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
'She's doing in Europe now what we want to do.' | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
She's gradually expanding her business into different countries individually. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
'We need somebody to help us get into the other countries | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
'and how to structure it there.' | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
We need advice with that, there's no two ways about it. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
We did wonder what you'd think about our plans getting into Europe, what would be the best way forward. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
I think with your product is to find master licensors | 0:28:17 | 0:28:22 | |
in each country to act as agents to sell the product. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
That way, they're paying the manufacturing costs | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
and all you're taking is for every product sold, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
you're taking a royalty from it. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
-That's really interesting, isn't it? -It is. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
-It's easy and it's possible. -Yeah. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
Shaking hands with a Dragon comes with a wealth of benefits, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
but it also means you might have to make some difficult decisions. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
Before the deal is finalised with Liz and Alan, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
Hillary wants to voice her concerns about their future plans | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
to hand the reins over to their two sons. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
One thing I want you to know from me is | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
I would not want to be involved as a minority investor | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
with all your family involved | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
because I'd be displaced. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
I personally would prefer that we run it more of a commercial venture. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:16 | |
You're only small now, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:17 | |
but we're not going to be small, are we? | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
In five years' time, we're going to be a substantial business. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
-Yep, yeah. -So what matters is bottom line. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
We've not said we are building this business up | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
to just give it to our children because we've worked really hard, you know, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:35 | |
and we make the decisions and we'll do whatever is right | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
because we haven't worked this hard to fail. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
So we've got a lot of work to do and this has got to become | 0:29:41 | 0:29:46 | |
-a big, big business with a big brand. -Yeah. -Absolutely. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
Hillary's ambitious plans for the Collerans' business | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
also include an exit strategy that will benefit them all, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
so Liz and Alan have some serious decisions to make. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
'Deep down, we all want the same outcome' | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
so if we can achieve what we all want, then perfect. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
I just hope they listen and take the advice, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
because I am investing in their future | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
as well as trying to get a return back on my own investment. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
If you want to win in the Den, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
an impressive business plan is a must. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
So, these are six simple lessons from the Dragons | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
that could help you start a moneymaking venture of your own. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:43 | |
Putting a price on the hard work may seem impossible to an entrepreneur, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:53 | |
but entering the Den with a racy valuation on your business plan | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
rarely goes down well with the Dragons. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
You know, a company that loses money every year | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
and has been valued at 2.5 million is quite ridiculous. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
So, the Dragons' next lesson is make sure the price is right. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
The mistake that some entrepreneurs make is to go too far down the road of projecting. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:23 | |
£3 million you value this product at. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
We value it at more than that, to be honest. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
'Having so much faith in what they're doing,' | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
so much self-belief that, actually, they just look faintly deluded. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
It's not worth £3, let alone £3 million, Fraser, and I'm out. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
We do get an amazing amount of people coming up with the most ridiculous valuations. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
You value your business at the moment at £1 million. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
We know it's worth diddly squat. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
-We've based it on projected turnover over the next three years. -Oh, OK. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
So, you want me to invest now based on a valuation in three years' time? | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
When they're coming up with, "We need 100K, 200K," | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
that is what they think they need to get that product to market. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
That is not a valuation of what their product or business is worth. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
You've got a business that you value at half a million pounds. How? | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
Come on, snap, snap. You should have the answer. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
'To be credible,' | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
you've got to understand business valuations. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
You come in here and you say, "I value this at 1.5 million, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
"although I've only got £1,200 worth of turnover." | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
'Otherwise I'm going to look at them' | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
and think, "You haven't got a clue, have you?" | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
I wouldn't give you £150,000 for 100% of it, at the moment! | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
And, therefore, the next two words that come out of my mouth are... | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
I'm out. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:50 | |
..I'm out. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
One man who shocked the Dragons | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
with the price he put on his company was Gavin Wheeldon. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
He entered the Den in 2007 looking for an investment | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
in his online translation company. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
I'm here today to ask for £250,000 | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
for a 4% equity. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
'You could see visible shock.' | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
Everybody sat back, and "Did he really just say that?" | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
We've achieved a lot, we've had an aggressive growth in three years. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
We are set to do 3.2 million turnover this year. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
We need some help to do that and a bit of money as well. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
Gavin had an excellent turnover, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
but could he justify the £6 million valuation of his business? | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
Your valuation, from where I'm sitting, looks like this - | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
21-22 times prospective earnings. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
Uh-huh, OK. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:44 | |
Do you expect me to feel a little bit uncomfortable? | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
If you start putting such a high valuation on your business, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
you risk losing any sort of investment from the Dragons. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
At the end of the day, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
something's only worth as much as someone's prepared to spend. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
My intention is within five years to float for 60 million, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
so the 4% will give a 2.4 million return. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
Duncan Bannantyne saw potential in Gavin's business | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
and offered him 50% of the money. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
If I'd invest £125,000, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
I'd want 9% of your company. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
He'd obviously sat quietly, done a few sums, and saw the value in it. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
But Gavin couldn't convince another Dragon | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
to invest the remaining £125,000. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
The risk is too high for an investor. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
I think I might as well state now - I'm out. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
So, four years on, has Gavin managed to prove | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
that the £6 million price tag was right? | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
When I left the Den, I was determined I will prove you wrong. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
And that's what I've done. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:49 | |
What we've achieved today as a business more than proves the valuation was absolutely right. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:56 | |
What language would you like to book for the interpreter? | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
Gavin says he's just secured a lucrative contract | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
supplying translation services for the Ministry of Justice. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:07 | |
We'll be up to 50 million turnover in the next two years. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
Now we're worth well over 30 million | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
and by the time we expand this contract, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
we'll be worth well over 100 million. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
'Even if they'd have invested in the 4% for quarter of a million, they'd have made a massive return,' | 0:35:17 | 0:35:24 | |
so big mistake there on the Dragons' part. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
I'd just like to say thank you to everybody involved. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
-Cheers! -(ALL) Cheers! | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
And with his company continuing to grow, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
the Dragons better not get too comfortable. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
We're going to be up there, similar size to some of the Dragons | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
in terms of turnover, so keep those chairs nice and warm! | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
When launching a new business, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
you've got to make sure your timing is right on the money. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
I had my Eureka moment. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
It started to take shape about 2008. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
So, the Dragons' next lesson is it's all about timing. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
Business is as much an art as a science. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
The helicopter car combines two of the hottest big boys' toys - | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
a remote-controlled car and a helicopter in one. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
If you can get the right idea, the right product, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
at the right time, you're well on your way. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
Wait for this economic climate to settle down a bit better, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
then launch your business. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
A good idea at the wrong time isn't going to work. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
Bright PC manufacture the world's most energy-efficient computer equipment. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
I know this market very, very well and you're 20 years behind. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
Lighting Emotions design, manufacture and sells glow-in-the-dark glasses. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:55 | |
-I was selling light-up drinks in these... -Yes? | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
..probably five years ago. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
Timing is everything. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
One entrepreneur whose business plan was timed to perfection | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
was Patrick van der Vorst. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
The Belgian auctioneer entered the Den in 2010 | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
looking for a £100,000 investment | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
for 20% of his online antique valuation business. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
The idea grew when I was working at Sotheby's | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
that actually there's no easy way for people to find out | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
what the value is of their items, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
of their art and antique. I think everybody at home | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
has got a teapot or maybe a chair | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
that they'd like to know the value of | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
and I think maybe they might feel intimidated | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
to pick up the phone to an auction house | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
or go to see a dealer directly. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
So what we do is our customers come onto our website. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:54 | |
They upload a photograph of their item and within 48 hours, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
one of our 28 experts will reply back to the customer. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
So many people have got things | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
and they think, "It's an old bit of tat," | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
and it's worth hundreds or thousands, really worth money. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
You can find out, you know, do I have something that I can go out and flog and get myself a brand-new car. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:19 | |
I thought that was a brilliant idea. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
It was an assured pitch, but Deborah Meaden | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
wanted to know more about Patrick's business model. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
-What's your average transaction value? -Er...£4.50. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
Plus the additional revenue streams like the advertising. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
How many unique businesses do you think you're going to have | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
to actually attract advertising revenue? | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
Hopefully, we'll get about 100,000 unique visitors a month. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
How? | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
-Through Google advertising. -How much are you going to spend on that? | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
At the moment, I'm spending £4,000-£5,000 a month. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
How many unique visitors do you get at the moment? | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
Unique visitors, we get 20,000 unique visitors a month. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:03 | |
And we have a conversion rate of 3.6%. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
I'll tell you what's not adding up. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
-20,000 unique visitors. -Yes. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
3.6%. That's 720 customers. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
720 customers paying 4.99 is 3,600 | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
and if you're spending 5K a month on Google AdWords to get 3,600 worth of revenue, you haven't got a business. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:25 | |
When it came to Peter, he really sort of drilled down | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
deep into the figures and I think it was a pivotal moment in the pitch. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:35 | |
Those figures are based on unique visitors. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
About 25% of the customers bring repeat business. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
We have got clients who have bought 15 or 20 times, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
sort of new credit. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
We had a customer last Friday who spent 350. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:54 | |
Patrick had proved there were profits to be made, | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
but was it enough to convince Duncan Bannatyne to invest? | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
Patrick, what I am going to do is go home... | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
In fact, I am going to go to all three of my houses, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
I am going to photograph all my antiques. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
I am going to send them to you. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
-Right. -And I'll get you to value them. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
Yes. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:19 | |
I don't think it's an investable product, so I won't invest. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
For that reason, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:24 | |
Patrick, I'm out, but were going to have a good time together valuing my antiques. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
Former Dragon James Caan and Peter Jones chose not to invest | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
but would the last two multimillionaires think the time was right? | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
Do you know what, I think in a time of austerity | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
people will be looking at actually selling things. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
They will be looking at value. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
So I think you will get a lot more demand on your website. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
I actually like it. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
I think Theo hit the nail on the head, | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
the timing for the concept and the website was exactly right. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
I am prepared to make you an offer. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
Half the money for 20%. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:12 | |
Mmm-hmm. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:13 | |
I completely agree with Theo | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
that if this website was ever going to have its moment, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
it's going to be now. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
I'll match Theo's offer. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
OK. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
'They say while the iron is hot, you've got to strike.' | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
When the time comes you've got to move with it. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
I have thought about it, and I would be delighted to proceed. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
Excellent. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:44 | |
I firmly believe that if you have got the right time for that product, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
then you will find the right place to get that product to market. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
A year later, and Patrick has moved to new premises in Westminster, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
where he has proved the timing was perfect | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
for his business to succeed. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:07 | |
When I went into the Den a year ago, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
we had done 10,000 valuations. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
Now we have done 65,000 valuations. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
We had 6,500 customers, I believe. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
Now we've got 35,000 customers. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
We launched an agency service where we'll assist people going to auction. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:28 | |
The most rewarding aspect of all that though | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
is customers keep coming back to us, and there is a lot of repeat custom. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
Patrick is keen to capitalise on his website's growing market, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
but ensures he never takes his eye of how his business is performing. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
Today he's in Sussex to see if his latest valued lots | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
have achieved the price they predicted, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
and one of his Dragon investors is here to discuss how the business is progressing. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:56 | |
From the offset I could see where Value My Stuff could go, | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
and I see this as an international business. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
Today is as much as about just seeing, was I right? | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
Was this the right time? | 0:43:05 | 0:43:06 | |
Hi, Patrick. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
-Hi, how are you? -Very well. How are you? | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
Very well, thank you. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:13 | |
It took me a while to get through, you've got some lovely stuff. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
Lovely paintings, very nice drawings as well. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
We have got two lots which we sold yesterday very successfully, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
on behalf of some of our clients who asked for advice, it is exciting. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
I'm going to start at £4,000. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
On average, Patrick says his website does up to 250 valuations a day | 0:43:32 | 0:43:37 | |
and has over 50,000 unique visitors a month. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:41 | |
Finishing at £4,800. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
And his customer base is continuing to grow at a steady pace. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:48 | |
You've been in this industry for a long time. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
But you spotted the moment | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
when you felt it was ready, and ripe, | 0:43:55 | 0:44:00 | |
to do something different. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
What made you think it was the right time? | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
From a technological point of view, five years ago, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
most people didn't have digital cameras. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
Now most people have a camera on their phones, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
so it is almost the first time | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
that it is very easy for people to upload items onto the internet. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:19 | |
I suspect if you'd done it five years ago... | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
It wouldn't have worked five years ago. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
Now we are the first ones in there to try and capture the market. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
What's your dream? How big do you think this can get? | 0:44:26 | 0:44:31 | |
We have a wonderful opportunity I think in China | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
which at the moment I think | 0:44:34 | 0:44:35 | |
already makes up for 45% of the global art market. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:40 | |
For them, when I spoke to our contact there, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
he said actually | 0:44:43 | 0:44:44 | |
people would be willing to pay | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
double or triple the amount for a valuation, | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
if the valuation could come with a printout | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
or a photograph of the expert holding up the valuation. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
Interesting. In the UK it wouldn't make any difference. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
In the UK it wouldn't make a difference, over there in China... | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
Great. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:05 | |
Patrick says the company's turnover has grown three and a half times | 0:45:07 | 0:45:12 | |
since his appearance on the Den, and with new markets emerging, | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
the future is looking bright for his online service. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
Timing in business is very important. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
An uncle told me once years ago, | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
he said the difference between a successful person and an unsuccessful person is one second. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:28 | |
It's actually very true. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:29 | |
When you can be the first person in there to capture a market, | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
that is exactly the position that you want to be in. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
When Patrick came into the Den he believed the time was right. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
I thought the time was right, | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
but actually as we stand here today, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
we have proved the time is right. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
If an entrepreneur's business plan fails to impress in the Den... | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
You'll never make a penny from this market. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
-Fair enough. -I am out. -OK. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
..should they accept defeat or carry on regardless? | 0:46:08 | 0:46:14 | |
I do honestly feel for somebody like that. He has tried everybody, everybody had said no. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:19 | |
This is his last throw of the dice. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
And he needed the honesty today. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
Oh, he did. It was one of those moments he's feeling crushed | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
and I think it's one of the best days of his life. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
So the Dragons' final lesson is - know when to stop. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
I think it is so important to get a realistic plan from the outset, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:45 | |
and that makes it much easier for you to appraise where you are. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
Year five, which was 2011, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
I made a loss of just over 100,000. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
It also makes it a little bit easier for you to say to yourself, | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
it is time to get out. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
Why would you want to invest in a business that doesn't make money? | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
You have to invest to get to where you are. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
I have never, ever invested in a business | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
and waited five years for it to start making money. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
But knowing when to give up is easier said than done, | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
especially when an entrepreneur eats, sleeps and breathes their business. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
They clearly believe in it. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
You are going to sell your house to back this? | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
I firmly believe in this product. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:31 | |
And then you are just quashing their dreams. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
Do not sell your house for this. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:38 | |
I don't know what makes them so passionate about something they can't see | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
the obvious things that tell me this cannot work, can't make money. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
It can never, ever be a decent business. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
Have you had any response from anybody who wants to place an order? | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
No, we haven't had any response. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
They still continue with that passion because they've got one idea, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
maybe they can't think of a second idea, they're just passionate about one idea. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
I urge you, urge you not to do this. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:09 | |
Two entrepreneurs whose cute companion impressed the Dragons, | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
but whose business plan sadly did not, | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
were Stephen Mitchell and Michael Ehrenreich. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
They entered the Den last year | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
looking for investment in their innovative buggy bike. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
We are looking for a £225,000 investment, | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
and we are offering 6% of our company. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
The Zigo carrier cycle is a multi-mode cycle. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
It is very stable, great all-round vision, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
first mode as you see it now, child pod in front, cycle behind. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:45 | |
You've put a rather large valuation on your product. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:52 | |
I'm going to ask you, why? | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
I'll take that. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
We're not a start-up company, exactly. We have previous investors. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
We've sold about 500 units to date, | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
revenues for the last 12 months is approximately 400,000 US dollars. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:09 | |
-You've spent all that? -Yes. -Have you borrowed any more? | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
I've put in a substantial sum personally. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
We had a plan. The key thing we were never going to say | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
was how much we spent on development. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
I've put in 1,300,000. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
You've put 1,300,000? | 0:49:26 | 0:49:31 | |
-Yes. -Wow. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
At that point, I wished a trap door open and swallow me up. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
With such an enormous amount of money already invested, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:43 | |
Deborah Meaden was curious to know how their business plan was panning out. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:48 | |
So financially, by now, where did your backers | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
believe they were going to be and where are they now? | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
We expected it to be profitable by now, and we're not. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
-We're going to make a loss this year. -How much? -Approximately £200,000. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:02 | |
'At that point, maybe he should have said, "Sorry, guys, | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
"it's been a massive misunderstanding," | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
and he should have just tiptoed down the stairs, with a little bit of pride. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:13 | |
'It was pretty...' | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
It was terrible. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
With such an unprofitable track record, all five Dragons declined to invest. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:25 | |
I think you're kidding yourselves. For that reason, I'm out. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
'Sometimes, you need that sharp shock.' | 0:50:31 | 0:50:35 | |
You've had a go, it didn't work, cut your losses, go. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:39 | |
It's been a year since Stephen and Michael entered the Den. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
But did the duo turn their back on their business plan? | 0:50:44 | 0:50:49 | |
Did I feel like giving up? Well, in parts I didn't want to be there, but we're still running, | 0:50:49 | 0:50:55 | |
they're still manufactured. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
We've sold just under 2,000 in the last 18 months. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
I've still got a very tiny stake in the business, it doesn't generate any cash for me. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:06 | |
But Stephen's entrepreneurial spirit is still strong | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
and he's just embarked on a new and very different business plan... | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
a website that compares prices... for funerals. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
What we aim to do with Comparethecoffin.com is allow people to make a plan online, | 0:51:20 | 0:51:26 | |
and then we send it to funeral directors, who bid for the business. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
This one is my favourite. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
Stephen's online service will be free, | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
but he's hoping customers will choose to buy their coffins from him. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:40 | |
There is very few occasions in business life | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
where you get to change a whole industry, and this is going to be one of them. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
In fact, Stephen is so confident his new business plan is a dead cert | 0:51:50 | 0:51:55 | |
that he's invited Theo Paphitis to his latest coffin catalogue shoot | 0:51:55 | 0:52:00 | |
in the hope the Dragon will want to invest. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:04 | |
'I would love to have Mr Paphitis as a partner, | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
'I think he could bring a lot to the party. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
'You can carry on selling ladies' underwear | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
'or come with me and change the world.' | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
-Nice to meet you again, sir. -How are you doing? -Good, actually. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
-Where's your mate? -I left him in America, I thought it was safer. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:23 | |
-And you have gone into the coffin business? -With a twist. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
Although Stephen's new business may not have the instant appeal of ladies' lingerie, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:35 | |
he's hoping the profit potential in his stock will impress retail giant Theo. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:40 | |
What does it sell for? | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
-To the trader or the consumer? -Both. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
The trade price is roundabout 450, 500. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:51 | |
The consumer price can be anything between 2,800 and 3,500. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
-Amazing. -It is. Do you know the average spend on a funeral in this country? | 0:52:55 | 0:53:01 | |
-Go on. -£6,500. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
But is it enough to persuade the Dragon to part with his money? | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
Looking around me, I'm seeing nothing but the grim reaper. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
I found it difficult to get passionate about death. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
-But isn't it unique? Nobody else... -Nothing is unique. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
Listen, if you were doing it and it was any good, | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
there'd be 1,000 websites doing the same thing. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
If you make three years, you've got half a chance. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
On that note, I'm out. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
Theo may have passed on the chance to invest in Stephen's business, | 0:53:33 | 0:53:37 | |
but there's no way this determined entrepreneur is giving up the ghost. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:41 | |
I still think this is the best idea I personally have ever had. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
Like he said, it's just not for him. I think it would be for Peter Jones. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:49 | |
We've learnt that a successful business plan is all about setting realistic targets. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:05 | |
We are projecting, conservatively, £1.2 million for this year. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
OK. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:10 | |
You making it happen. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
Knowing your figures. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:14 | |
You should know. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
Absolutely, you should know. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:17 | |
Pricing it right, timing, and knowing when to give up. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
I've put in £1,300,000. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:26 | |
Wow. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:28 | |
But after nine series of the Den, | 0:54:28 | 0:54:30 | |
whose business plan ticked all the boxes? | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
Well, there's one entrepreneur whose meticulous planning | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
blows most of the competition out of the water. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
Imran had everything in place. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
He had a great pitch, got everything right, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:51 | |
but above all, what he got right was his business plan. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
He managed to pull every cord, tie them all up in a beautiful not, | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
and I think he had the dragons eating out of his hands. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
iTeddy brings the teddy bear into the 21st century by incorporating | 0:55:01 | 0:55:06 | |
a personal media player... | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
He gave a great visualisation of his product. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
And then he gave us a complete stepping-stone | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
of all the things he would do to make his business successful. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
It's a very simple-to-use | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
child-friendly menu system. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
I can put a movie clip on for you. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
If I wanted to go on to the audio player, just scroll to the audio player, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
and I can now play myself a bedtime story. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
I put together the strong plan. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
The initial idea, the product specifications, | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
the technical aspects, how much I was going to make it for, | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
how much I was going to distribute and retail it for. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
-Did you develop it? -Yes, from scratch. -From scratch? -Yes. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
-What price are you looking to sell it at? -For the MP4 version, £28. For the MP3 version, £20. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:04 | |
We can make a 46% margin on the MP4. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:10 | |
'He knew his margins,' | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
he knew what the retailer margins were, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
he really had a solid business plan behind his product. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
The iTeddy, I would definitely have invested in. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
It's a sustainable business model, it can continue to create revenue | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
and it can continue to innovate. Those are the best business models. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
Imran's impressive business plan | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
generated offers from computer expert Peter Jones | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
and retail giant Theo Paphitis. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
He made a joint deal with both the Dragons. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
If I had been sitting there as a Dragon, I would have invested in Imran. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:45 | |
I think that's one of the best businesses I've seen out of Dragons' Den. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
Within months of leaving the Den, | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
the company had signed an exclusive deal with one of the UK's leading high-street toy retailers, | 0:56:58 | 0:57:03 | |
which they say enabled them to achieve its three-year sales forecasts | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
in just the first six months of trading. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
From then on, we started selling in 45 countries around the world, | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
it was a top-10 toy in quite a few countries around the world. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:21 | |
You take one of these away... | 0:57:21 | 0:57:23 | |
Imran's business plan has been so successful, | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
he's now passing on his knowledge to up-and-coming entrepreneurs. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:34 | |
Approach the market from a completely different angle from everything else out there. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:38 | |
He's a shareholder in an organisation that helps start-up companies find investors. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:43 | |
What I'm going to try and do from today is establish where the gaps are in the business plan | 0:57:43 | 0:57:48 | |
and hopefully, between us, we can try and strengthen that up a bit. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:52 | |
But with a reported £23 million worth of retail sales from his first product, | 0:57:52 | 0:57:57 | |
what is the next step in Imran's business plan? | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
The toy industry is a fashion industry. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
And once you've got a product that sells very well for two or three years, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
you have to quickly come up with a product that takes its place. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:13 | |
We've got development on the table, we've got to make sure we get the technology right, | 0:58:13 | 0:58:17 | |
when we bring it to market the timing is right, | 0:58:17 | 0:58:21 | |
and we're very excited. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:22 | |
Watch this space. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:24 | |
If you think you've got what it takes to impress the Dragons, why not visit our website: | 0:58:31 | 0:58:35 | |
Where you can apply to enter the Den online. | 0:58:38 | 0:58:41 | |
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E-mail [email protected] | 0:58:51 | 0:58:54 |