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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting, and some strong language. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
I'm Andrew Maxwell, a comedian. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:08 | |
But I'm here in New York on a serious mission. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
9/11 was the most shocking day in recent American history. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
2,973 innocent people died. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
Unbelievably, there are many who doubt the conclusions of the official investigation | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
and want to believe the American government | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
was in some way responsible for this tragic event. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
I'm taking five of them to America on an extraordinary journey, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
to see if I can change their minds. It'll be a tough mission - | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
these guys appear to be convinced conspiracy theorists. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
-Rodney? Welcome aboard. Andrew. -Nice to meet you. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
-Hi. -Hello. -Emily. -Hello, Emily. -You all right? -How are you? | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
-Hiya. Shazin. -Hello, Shazin. Andrew. Welcome aboard. Please. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
Done. Let's move this thing. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
How do two towers with two aeroplanes | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
get pulverised into...nothing? | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
Personally, I'm certain as certain can be | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
that the attacks were ordered by Osama bin Laden. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
So we're now going down the east coast of America, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
from New York to Washington, to see where the attacks happened... | 0:01:13 | 0:01:18 | |
Flight 93 passed right above, and that's where the impact occurred. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
..to meet eyewitnesses... | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
I saw melted parts of the plane, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
I saw parts of stewardesses in the building. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
..relatives of the victims... | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
I said, "I love you, sweetie," and then we were cut off. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
..and even the chief air traffic controller. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
We at air traffic control did not know what was going on. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
What will happen when they're confronted by the scientific facts? | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
Maybe there'll be arguments... | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
Don't be blaming them. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
When have I ever done that?! | 0:01:48 | 0:01:49 | |
..fall outs... | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
You don't make any sense at all. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
..and tears. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:54 | |
You're crying, screaming or happy. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
That's all right. I don't have a heart of stone like you. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Oh, man! Does anyone have any Prozac? | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
Will I end up changing their minds? | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
We will seek the truth, brothers and sisters. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
Woo-hoo! | 0:02:06 | 0:02:07 | |
As we travel through the day that changed the world. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Welcome to Conspiracy Road Trip 9/11. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
Welcome to Conspiracy Road Trip 9/11. Welcome. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
-CHEERING -Welcome, team. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
Now, I have reason to believe that all five of you have divergent opinions | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
from the official account of events. Is that correct? | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
-It is, sir. Yes, sir. -OK, sweet as. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
It will be my attempt to conjecture and perhaps charm, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
-to persuade you otherwise. -Good luck with that. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
Charlotte, a nanny, thinks the American government was to blame. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
I think it was Bush and his Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld... | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
Rodney, a health worker, studied biochemistry | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
and believes some of the science doesn't add up. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
Nano-thermites were found at the wreckage. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
You know, literally. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:58 | |
Nano-thermites were found. They're military-grade explosives. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
Student Emily is an active member of the 9/11 Truth Movement. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
9/11 was an inside job! | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
You know, I do go on about it a lot. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
My housemates said I was preaching about it to them. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
I guess I do talk about it a lot. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
Shazin has some doubts about the official version of events. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
I questioned United 93. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
Some of the passengers made calls to their family, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
and I've always wondered how you can make a call on an aeroplane. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
And Charlie, who studied philosophy, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
thinks 9/11 too conveniently provided an excuse to go to war. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
Sold a lot of weapons! | 0:03:39 | 0:03:40 | |
It's, er...got some good contracts in Iraq, Afghanistan. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
'You couldn't make up better stuff - | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
'a bunch of bearded men, living in caves.' | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
-Where would the Twin Towers have sat? -There. That's the bay. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
No, no. Other way, guys. That way. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
'We're going to the sites of 9/11, to the actual places.' | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
I want to see what difference that makes to their opinions. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
Does that calcify them? | 0:04:01 | 0:04:02 | |
Does they even harden in their opinions? | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
Or do they step back and realise this is real... | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
There's real suffering here? | 0:04:08 | 0:04:09 | |
All right, let's do this thing. Come on! | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
We're starting the trip where that truly awful day began. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
Ground Zero. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:21 | |
2,753 innocent people lost their lives here | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
when the Twin Towers were attacked. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
Even though an independent commission concluded it was the work of al-Qaeda, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
my five - and allegedly up to a third of Brits and Americans - | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
just don't believe it. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
Maybe the site of Ground Zero will give them a reality check. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
Being here, I get this incredible sense of... | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
It's not, it's not a calm sense I get around the Ground Zero, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
it's this kind of anxious... | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
I don't know, it's a kind of confusion. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:54 | |
There is a...bad energy around here, bad energy. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
Charlotte was in New York on September 11th, 2001. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
Every moment of that day just flooded back. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
'I started realising that this was a real emotional trip.' | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
'She's been obsessed with 9/11 ever since, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
'and has been researching what she thinks | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
'really happened for the last ten years.' | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
When you start looking at things and it was within... | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
within the first day. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:26 | |
By the end of the day, I was like, "Something is going on here, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
"and I'm going to get to the bottom of it. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
"I probably never will, but I'm going to try." | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
And that's how you know hundreds of thousands of other people felt. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
There's not... It might be a conspiracy, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
but there are hundreds of thousands of people that believe it. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
Over the next week, each of my fellow travellers | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
is going to challenge me on a conspiracy theory | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
they believe proves the official version wrong. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
Will you please welcome to the front of the bus, Charlotte. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
First up is Charlotte, who thinks the American government is to blame. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
OK, basically, I'm going to be discussing the major queries | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
regarding the amateur pilots. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
Holy shit! | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
She can't believe the hijackers - barely out of flying school - | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
could have steered jetliners into the Twin Towers | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
with such deadly accuracy. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
I can't imagine that somebody | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
that's had training in some flight simulators | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
and can barely fly a Cessna could get into the seat of a 767 | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
and hit that kind of target at the velocity and speed | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
and everything that's needed one time, no practice run. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
It couldn't have been done at that speed, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
couldn't have been done at that velocity. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
So either the data is faulty | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
or someone's pulling the wool over our eyes. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
Welcome to Best In Flight. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
-I'm Charlotte. -Charlotte, how do you do? | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
Robert Hadow's an experienced flight instructor. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
I want him to show how hard or easy it is to control an aircraft | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
for someone who has never done it before. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
If you're tender with the controls and can take directions, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
-you'll land the plane on your first flight. -My gosh. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
I don't want to do it. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:14 | |
Been thinking about plane crashes for the last week. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
The last thing I want to do is get on a plane. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
Charlotte volunteers to let Shazin go up. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
I'd gladly submit to one of these girls to do it. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
-I'd love to do it. -Shazin. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
That's brave of Shaz, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
because, since 9/11, she's been scared of flying. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
Do you have any problems with birds flying into the plane? | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
-It make a big mess on the wing. -This will get you over your fear of flying. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
You're flying over water, it's so easy! | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
Fly well...just don't crash. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
-You couldn't just say, "Have a safe flight"! -I know! | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
Bye! | 0:07:47 | 0:07:48 | |
-OK, Shaz, you ready? -Yes. -Push the throttle all the way up! | 0:07:53 | 0:07:58 | |
All the way up! OK? | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
Woo! Oh, my God! | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
Push right, go right. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
Push right now. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
All right, you're doing fine. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
After less than ten minutes' instruction, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
Robert hands the controls to Shazin, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
who seems perfectly capable of flying around Manhattan. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
Now, that should convince the others. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
Look, she's flying. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
This is really scary, actually. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
Oh, my God. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
Bring the stick back a hair, bring the nose up to the horizon. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
-Very nice. -Wow. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:40 | |
I'm heading towards that water tower, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
and it's pretty easy to navigate. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
-Obviously, I don't want to hit it. -Well, I won't let you. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
-So, Robert, you're not controlling this at all? -No, I'm not. All right? | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
So how easy do you think it would be for an amateur pilot | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
to fly a big, massive airliner jet? | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
-Well, in fact, it's easier to fly a big jet. -OK. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
-For example, you feel the bumps we're going through? -Yeah. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
-You wouldn't feel that on a 747. -Oh, I see, I see. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
But it's the same basic principles. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
This airplane, or any other big airplane. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
Now Shazin is about to try | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
one of the most difficult manoeuvres of all, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
after just 30 minutes. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
Her target? | 0:09:20 | 0:09:21 | |
The runway. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
I'm going to ask you to aim directly down the runway. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
So, finding a target, you think, will be quite easy for me? | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
I would prefer not to think of it as a target, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
I would prefer to think of it as the runway you're going to land on. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
-Yeah! -All right, now, you're aimed right at the runway. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
-Yeah, just about. -OK? Yeah? | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
Now just use your feet, a little bit of right rudder, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
-and we're going to fly it all the way down. -OK. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
-Throttle back a little bit more. -A little bit more. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
Right. Now. Now we're going to tease the runway. OK. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
-Just hold it there, throttle out. -OK. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
-Throw the throttle all the way back. -Yep, got it. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
-All the way back. -All the way back. All right? | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
Now just hold it off the runway, hold it off, hold it off. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
Oops, bit bumpy. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:01 | |
-Yeah, but you did it. -But we did it. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
-So I'm very proud. -And the wing's OK, yeah? | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
-Everything's fine. -Ha ha! | 0:10:07 | 0:10:08 | |
-All right? -Fantastic! | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
I can't believe I landed a plane myself. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
In such a short space of time. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
-Did you land it? -Yeah. -You landed it?! | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
-I landed it completely, so... -Well done. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
Do you think that it would be more difficult to fly a Boeing airplane? | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
It might be slightly more nerve-racking, but I would say it's very easy. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
Especially as, prior to this, I hadn't had any knowledge | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
about how to work this thing, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
and I've been taught in less than an hour. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
Shazin's convinced, but despite this evidence, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
Charlotte still doesn't believe that with so little training | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
the hijackers could fly a commercial jet | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
into a target with such accuracy. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:51 | |
I mean, do you know a lot about Boeings? | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
As a matter of fact, yes. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
OK, the exact Boeing that went into the World Trade Centres? | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
All they had to do is fly straight and level towards a target. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
So people that trained them didn't believe they could do this, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
and yet the rest of us will just except that they could | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
and will dismiss any other possibility? | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
I think Charlotte might be a particularly tough nut to crack. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
Emily's been concerned about something different. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
Airport security. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:23 | |
Now, my main bone of contention is | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
if President Bush knew on August 6th - | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
which he did, but has categorically denied | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
until he actually had to come out and say, "I did know" - | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
why did he not step up the security to maximum, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
make sure that nothing gets through? | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
So let's go through and we'll see exactly... | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
It was. It's like how it was. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
Let's go and meet Buck, and he'll talk through how it used to be. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
-Hello! -Hey, you're on, Buck! | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
I've found a United Airways pilot with many years experience - | 0:11:54 | 0:11:59 | |
Buck Rogers. Real name. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
He should be able to explain how the hijackers | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
managed to get through security with knives. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
If George Bush knew on August 6th, which he did, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
do you feel that the time between August 6th | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
and September 11th would have been too short to implement | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
security measures with the threat that they had? | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
Well, I appreciate your question, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
and I'm sorry I'm not able to quite answer it. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
I can tell you, before 9/11 a lot of airports were such like this. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
There, there were no metal detectors in some airports, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
and people could just walk through. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
In fact, way before 9/11, some people were able to | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
just not even go through a metal detector | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
and just walk to the gate to meet their arriving passengers. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
That's at the airport. Let's go into the flying world. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
Before 9/11, they flew with the cockpit doors open. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
So, as a passenger, you could actually go into the cockpit | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
while the plane was in flight. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
We experienced very little hijackings. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
I mean, there was an occasional hijacking in India, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
there may have been one down in South America or Mexico. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
So in America, there really wasn't anyone attempting to hijack planes? | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
-No, we hadn't experienced that. -Right. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
If something like that had never happened before, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
it's a very unique way. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
Andrew, it said in the report... | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
'Unfortunately for my case, the security guard at the check-in desk | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
'also has his doubts.' | 0:13:20 | 0:13:21 | |
It seems a little bit wacky but it makes sense what you're saying. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:27 | |
If it is a conspiracy, you know, like, you believe those... | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
people who executed it, yeah, they were pretty smart, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
they knew what they were doing, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
-but it just happened a little too perfectly. -Yeah. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
A bit too easily. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:40 | |
A little... Yeah. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:41 | |
Either way you look at it, the government screwed up massively | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
or they orchestrated the entire thing. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
It's just a big "Who knows?" | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
Don't you think we need some actual justice and accountability? | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
And when the American people find out that it was criminal elements | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
in this establishment that either made 9/11 happen | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
or allowed it to happen, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:08 | |
there'll be a revolution in this country. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
-They know what happened. It was a terrorist attack. -We don't know happened! | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
You weren't there, dude. You just believe in the official story, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
you're just having this obedient psychology, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
which is very worrying, man. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:21 | |
As people, they're nice. They're nice people. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
There's nothing... You know? | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
It's kind of odd that they're... | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
They're... They're incredibly cynical... | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
..yet incredibly, kind of, childlike and gullible at the same time. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
You know what I mean? | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
But these five people - well, to various shades, as we're learning - | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
to a certain extent, all five of them believe | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
that the American government wiped out their own people | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
with civilian planes. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
On 9/11, the hijackers did get through security. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
They did overpower the crew and take over the controls. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
At 8:46am, they managed to guide the first plane | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
straight into one of the Twin Towers. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
SIRENS BLARE | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
And at 9:03am, the stunned world saw the second plane do the same. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
Oh, my God. Oh, Jeez! God! | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
At first, the Towers looked OK, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
but within an hour, the first steel skyscraper started to collapse. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
The investigation concluded that the impact of the plane | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
and then the ensuing heat from the jet fuel fire | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
caused the Towers to collapse. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
RUMBLING | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
That's what the official report says. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
It seems obvious to me, but Charlie doesn't believe it at all. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
Hi, guys, thanks for listening to me. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
I am a proponent of the idea that the Twin Towers | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
were brought down in a controlled-demolition manner. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
Those buildings would not have collapsed in the slightest | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
from a Boeing 767 hit. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
The main reasons why I think it was a controlled demolition - | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
first of all, is that what we saw on September 11th | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
with the World Trade Centre were these two 110-storey buildings | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
collapsing perfectly within their own footprint. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
What we call a top-down demolition. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
Charlie thinks the way the towers fell | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
looks uncannily similar to a normal skyscraper demolition, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
so he thinks it was a controlled demolition | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
carried out by the government. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
See? How does it carry on going straight down? | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
That's a controlled demolition if I ever I saw one. Thank you. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
CHEERS AND APPLAUSE | 0:16:45 | 0:16:46 | |
'Charlie's done well, it's a strong case. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
'I'm going to have to take him on.' | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
Now, to refute that, we're going to be meeting a demolition expert. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
He might be on your side, Charlie. Let's not be so cynical. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
Dude, if he's on our side, I will buy you a bottle of champagne. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
The point is, you're not going to have to do it on Skype, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
or look at a clip on YouTube, you're actually going to meet somebody. OK? | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
-You can talk to him, all right? -Yeah. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
'Charlie had a pretty conventional life | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
'until he was made redundant from the City.' | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
'Well, I grew up very gung ho. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
'I mean, I was a banker | 0:17:21 | 0:17:22 | |
'who joined the Territorial Army to be an officer.' | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
I learnt how to lead men, I learnt how to march like a robot. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
I was fully prepared to go to Iraq | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
and kill terrorists for Queen and country. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
I guess I kind of had some sort of political awakening | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
about the events of 9/11. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:37 | |
I can't then go and be such a nihilistic...killer | 0:17:37 | 0:17:42 | |
to go and kill people who may have had nothing to do with 9/11. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
And so I quit, a week before Sandhurst, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
and they were quite pissed off. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
Since Charlie's political awakening, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
he's become convinced | 0:17:54 | 0:17:55 | |
the United States government blew up the buildings | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
as an excuse to invade Iraq. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
Rebuilding has started at Ground Zero, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
and 200 metres up, on the 47th floor of one of the new towers, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
I'm hoping a demolition expert will help me make Charlie see reason. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
Mummy, I can fly! | 0:18:15 | 0:18:16 | |
Oh! | 0:18:19 | 0:18:20 | |
I'm trying to get my bearings, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:26 | |
but I'm presuming this is where the World Trade Centre was. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
The point is, say if Dr Evil came to you | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
and wanted to do this, actually rig it and blow those buildings, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
how many men would you have needed? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
We're fortunate here in that these columns have not been covered yet. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
'Brent Blanchard has demolished thousands of buildings.' | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
So they're the exact sort of columns that you'd want to rig, yeah? | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
Similar. These are smaller than what was in WTC. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
But you can't put an explosive on this and have the column blow up. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
-OK. -It doesn't work. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:57 | |
You need to pre-cut this in some way. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
That requires preparation. It requires a LOT of preparation. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
And you would actually have to have some type of explosive, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
similar to this, something very high velocity, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
that will cut through steel. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:12 | |
It happens in building implosions. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
You don't see it, but that's what it is. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
-That's what you're doing. -Yeah. -So, erm... | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
The Twin Towers. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:19 | |
How many times would you need to have done that process | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
to pull down the towers? | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
Probably hundreds of columns. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
You're talking about a lot of explosive material, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
a lot people who know exactly what they're doing, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
who have a lot of time to work on this. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
So that's how you do a controlled demolition. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
Guys come in, pre-cut the steel girders and wire the whole building. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
I can't see how all this could have taken place | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
under the nose of everyone working in those buildings. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
You'd have to pass security, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
get through the doors, and pass the cameras undetected. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
It's not that far-fetched, to believe that somebody could. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
Let's even say you got your equipment in, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
you still need access to the columns. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
I saw the tower start to go like that but then... | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
Let's imagine that's there and it kind of... | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
carried on straight down into the building, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
instead of just going, buuuuuupp! | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
When the building begins to fall, it never, ever tips over. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
But they're saying that the jet fuel doesn't burn that high, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
-enough to melt steel. -It doesn't have to. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
The little columns need to be supported. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
When it began to fail... As soon as they tip a little off centre, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
they lose a lot of their support. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:24 | |
When it tips a little more, as you saw in 9/11, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
they have no support now. They have to go straight down. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
So it's simply compressed. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
Brent's been making a lot of sense, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
and I wonder if he's managed to persuade Charlie. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
It makes sense. Ugh. This is hard, you know? | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
Cos I've held onto these ideas for years now | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
and I've hung out with people who said, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
"Yeah, conspiracy, 9/11, demolition." | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
But now I've spoken to a guy who explained to me | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
why it's stopped collapsing, and it makes sense. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
-In the morning... -Yeah? -..6:30, here. -Cool, man. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
'It's been a long day, and I may have cracked Charlie.' | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
Rodney's a different story. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
You'd think a science grad like Rodney would be more rational. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
I think, yeah, explosives were used. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
I mean, that's been discovered. There's evidence of them. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
There's been two scientific papers on that. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
We're talking about something that very few people know about, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
and that needs to change. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
It seems he's going to be very hard to convince. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
By the morning, Rodney has found a strong ally in Charlotte. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
They're both so convinced Brent and I are wrong, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
they've gone for back-up. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
Tony Szamboti is a mechanical engineer | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
who's written articles in professional journals | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
about the Twin Towers. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:57 | |
He's willing to agree it would have been impossible | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
to pre-cut all the steel girders unnoticed. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
But he has an answer. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
And I want to show you right here, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
these are pictures of the paper put out by these scientists | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
who found active thermitic material discovered in dust | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
in the 9/11 World Trade Centre catastrophe. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
When they looked at these red and grey chips, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
they found they had the constituents of thermite. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
-Wow. -In addition to that - this is a big thing - these chips ignite. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
Right. Exactly, and... | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
The thermitic reaction was going on. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
He thinks an incendiary called thermite was involved. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
It's a fine powder that can melt steel when ignited. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
Now, there's no way to structurally explain the freefall | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
other than some form of controlled demolition device in there. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
-Why weren't those questions asked? -Right. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
Charlotte and Rodney now want to convince us | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
that the Twin Towers were brought down by a controlled demolition | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
using thermite packed around the girders. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
So I've found them a real boffin, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
a thermite expert from the University of California. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
And I've sent them off to conduct a DIY chemistry experiment. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
It's not really an explosive, it's more of just an incendiary... | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
-Yeah, it creates a lot of heat. -Yes. -Yeah. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
Yeah, but it will demonstrate how steel can be melted. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
It's a simple recipe, mixing very small particles in a powder, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
that creates an intense heat when it burns. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
Look at that. Very, very similar red-grey chips. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
Just be prepared to put a safe distance | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
between you and the reaction. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
Charlotte and Rodney are sure that when this mixture is ignited, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
it will cut through a steel beam. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
-Woo! Oh, my God! -Whoa! | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Oh, it's so hot! Oh, wow. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
So it's aluminium oxide and iron metal. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
They've partially separated, based on their densities. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
-It's dripping to the floor. -Yes. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
Unfortunately for them, it's clear that three kilos of thermite | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
has barely affected the steel beam at all. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
It seems you need a big bucket of the stuff to burn through that. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
Yes, you need a lot. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:13 | |
You know, probably hundreds of pounds. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
It's unlikely that so much thermite could be so well placed. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
Is it possible to put this stuff in paint and then paint it on? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
In fact, it would act to slow it down | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
or prevent the chemical reaction from occurring. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
Would the fire have acted to ignite the thermite reaction? | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
Well, it's very difficult to ignite thermite. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
We had to use magnesium ribbon here, and it's very hard. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
It's becoming more and more and more unlikely that this stuff was used | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
to bring down the buildings, and... | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
Because... | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
I really... I'm starting to really question, like, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
what was in it for the establishment to do this with this? | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
Like, they had a lot to lose. If they got caught... | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
The amount you'd need to put in the buildings. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
If a janitor finds this, calls the police, the police turn up, | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
the NYPD finds all these explosives on September 10th, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
it would have brought about revolution in America overnight. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
So it's starting to seem that... | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
..the planes did mess up those buildings quite a lot, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
and maybe things like this are unnecessary to explain the collapse. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
But Rodney isn't having any of it. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
He's still holding on to his Thermite theory. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
Good luck, man. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
-I'm not going to go too hardcore, don't worry. -We don't want to break you. -No-one will break me. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
One day saying this, the other day saying that. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
It's not good, really. You can't flip-flop every single day. Change your mind every single day, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
and then completely throw the science out of the window. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
Get on the bus, come on! | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
Rodney's not the only person I seem to have upset. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
Charlotte hasn't been convinced by my experts either. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
It's just one person. I can't just take one person's idea | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
over, like, hundreds of people. I can't do that in just one day. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:09 | |
I can't just change my mind. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
But if you have an opinion, you have an opinion, you know? | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
It's the land of the free, home of the brave. That's how democracy works. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
This one, he's starting to think... And I felt like when I met you, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:23 | |
you were pretty sure, and I understand you can't be... | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
you can't be sure 100% and I'm not sure 100%. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
-No, me neither. -But that is his prerogative. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
I didn't understand how the buildings could collapse that way and he explained. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
As a person who likes reason and logic and science, it suddenly made sense, and it was, oh! | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
At this moment, I have a right to be pissed off. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
On this trip, Charlotte has been relying on Charlie to back her up, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
but the search for the truth is beginning to affect their friendship. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
And I'm feeling a bit guilty. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
I think Charlotte's the most committed, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
the most definitive in her opinions. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
Charlie is very vocal, but I don't think this it's a criticism, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
but I think Charlie's kind of changeable, you know? | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
It's a long drive down the eastern seaboard to the site of where the next hijacked plane hit, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:27 | |
the source of yet another conspiracy theory. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
We're in Washington DC, the capital city | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
and home of the vast American Defence headquarters, The Pentagon. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:37 | |
At 9:38am, September 11th, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into The Pentagon. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
-You see the planes come in? -No. I didn't see no plane, didn't hear no plane. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
Some of my five don't believe there was a plane at all. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
They can't believe a Boeing 757 full of fuel and passengers | 0:27:53 | 0:27:59 | |
could leave so little wreckage and such a small exit hole in the side of The Pentagon. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
I'm losing even Charlie again. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
He's assembled us in his hotel room. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
The hole that seems to have been punched through, right? This is the punch-out hole. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
Now, what could cause a punch-out hole of that... | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
perfect spherical shape? | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
A punch out... | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
And people are starting to speculate | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
that perhaps this was a cruise missile that hit the Pentagon | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
as part of an internal attack on America. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
Do you think that a missile could go in there, unnoticed by the general public? | 0:28:35 | 0:28:41 | |
Well, a missile is a small, very fast-moving thing. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
Most people don't know the difference between a cruise missile engine | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
and an airliner engine, because who's listening out for that? | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
In 2006, the government was forced to release some CCTV footage, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:56 | |
which they claim shows the plane hitting the Pentagon. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
My guys believe the images are too poor to prove anything. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
It's hard to argue with that, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
but they still think it was a US missile. I think that's nuts. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
So to try to get their heads round this one, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
I've managed to get them an audience with the Pentagon's Chief Engineer, Allyn Kilsheimer. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:19 | |
He was an eyewitness and one of the first people on the scene. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
He should be able to tell us whether the Pentagon was hit by a plane or not. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:27 | |
Allyn's office wall is covered with letters of thanks | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
from the Bush White House. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
This hasn't gone unnoticed by my conspiracy crew. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
That one's Donald Rumsfeld. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
"I, George Bush, by virtue of the authority vested in me | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
"by the constitution and laws of the United States..." Anyway, it's a letter from George Bush. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
In this whole devastation, what remains of the plane were there? | 0:29:49 | 0:29:54 | |
When you think about the building, the Pentagon itself, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
I saw parts of a plane, I saw melted parts of a plane | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
I saw parts of stewardesses, OK? | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
In the building. And they... One of the things they say is, like, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
how can a plane make a round hole? | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
You have to understand how the explosions occur. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
And this is a computer model of what happened. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
OK, so this is the plane flying through the Pentagon, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
and if you look at it, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
you see how it shows the plane disintegrating as it goes through. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
It went through three wings of the building. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
Came out at the A&E drive, which is right there. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
What was left of the plane came through, it was a big round circle, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
which is why so many conspiracy people say it was a missile. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
The small size of the hole can easily be explained, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
because it is where the remnants of the plane came out. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
Leaving almost all the debris and passengers inside. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
What came out was what was left of the plane, which is the tail section. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:03 | |
-You saw that section yourself? -Absolutely. Yes, sir. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
But most of the people that I've heard about | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
who believe in these conspiracy theories | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
had not talked to anybody factually that was there. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
'Shazin and Charlie seem convinced by the Chief Engineer.' | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
It's like a younger and older version of you! | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
'But Charlotte clearly is not buying my guy.' | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
He couldn't even show us parts of the plane! | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
I had such a different experience in there then you did. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
The only reason I think he has a motive to lie | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
is because he's so closely connected with the people that I believe have made this a cover-up. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:41 | |
That young girl, clearly, when she walked in the room... | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
had a certain opinion when she walked in the room. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
The look on her face was... | 0:31:47 | 0:31:48 | |
that she didn't want to hear a thing I was going to say. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
Which is more important to you, the truth, or the right answer? | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
-Because they're two very different things. -Who says what is the truth and what is the right answer? | 0:31:55 | 0:32:00 | |
From instinct, all I can go on is my instinct, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
and if I, in my heart, believe he's not telling me the truth, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
there's nothing he can say, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
unless he can show me real proof of a plane. End of story. All right? | 0:32:08 | 0:32:14 | |
It was quite dodgy, and a bit sort of suspicious, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
and I knew that from walking in and seeing the letter from Bush and from Rumsfeld on his wall. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:21 | |
Why do I have to take what he's saying as...? | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
But you could have been enquiring, like you have been on the rest of the trip, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
-instead of sulking behind shades. -I can do what I want, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
just like he can do what he wants. He doesn't account to anybody. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
-The guy was there, he was there! -What do you mean, he was there? He saw no plane. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
Do you think I'm going to believe someone | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
that I believe is behind the conspiracy that is in the pocket of the government? | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
No, fuck. Fuck, no. I don't like this.... | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
'We're three-quarters of the way through the road trip and tensions are running high.' | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
'I've been booked to do a gig at a stand-up club and I've invited the gang along | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
'to see if a little bit of conspiracy humour can get to them.' | 0:33:04 | 0:33:09 | |
Last year, an orang-utan escaped from Dublin Zoo, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:19 | |
and in the newspaper, and I quote, his zookeeper said, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:25 | |
"We believe he was planning it for years." | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
They reverse-engineered his crime | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
and they found out over the last 15 years, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:38 | |
he'd been cultivating a tree to grow against the wall of his enclosure. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
What the fuck kind of monkey Shawshank Redemption is that?! | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:33:47 | 0:33:48 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
'Right in the middle of my gig, Rodney's phone goes off. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
'Turns out his mother's caught up with him. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
'She doesn't know he's into conspiracy theories, or even that he's in America.' | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
She's a bit worried and a bit anxious about where I am | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
and what I'm doing, what's going on. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
Because it's all been... I've been a bit secretive about it. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
I've not told many people what's going on. It might have caused issues | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
and I wouldn't have been able to come in the end, and I didn't want that to happen. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
So I'm sort of being a bit incognito | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
in order to do what I've got to do. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
What I want to do. And it's me juggling things. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
We all like you now that you've brought Captain Groovy into the White House! | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
It all went a little bit dark ten years ago, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
a couple of planes went into a building, it all got a bit miserable, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
but we're back on top, right, brothers and sisters? | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
-CHEERING AND APPLAUSE -We're back on top. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
By 9:42am on September 11th, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
three planes had already hit their targets | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
and a fourth, United 93, was feared to be flying straight at the White House. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:09 | |
This man, Ben Sliney, Head of Air Traffic Control, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
gave the order to shut down American air space. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
My conspiracy team want to know why American Air Force fighter jets, sent up that day, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
failed to intercept the hijacked planes. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
They think the US government must have been in on it. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
'I've got Ben, now famous for playing himself | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
'in the feature film United 93, to tell them what happened. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
'Much to Charlotte's delight, Charlie is now leading the attack.' | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
So in the United States, there is a system in place | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
that if a plane of any size goes off course for a while, military jets intercept them, yeah? | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
If you've done your homework, you'll know that I believe | 0:35:52 | 0:35:57 | |
we only had six interceptors available for the whole East Coast. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
So we didn't... | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
Is that normal? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
We had a lot of cutbacks in budget, and they closed a lot of squadrons, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
and there were very few aircraft to send up for that type of mission. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
It's budget dollars. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
Given that President Bush was aware of a plan to hijack planes, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
do you feel that aviation security should have been ramped up? | 0:36:20 | 0:36:26 | |
I think it was a frightful breakdown of security. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
We in Air Traffic Control did not know what was going on. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
No-one had enough of the big picture to actually put it together, I believe. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:37 | |
So, long story short, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:38 | |
you think 9/11 happened because the government wasn't talking to each other. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
The various CIA, all these agencies, don't have lines of communication between themselves | 0:36:42 | 0:36:48 | |
and they could have figured it out, there was enough evidence | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
that they could have stopped it all before it started. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
Given what we've been told about the investigations and what each agency knew, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
I think it is very likely that it would have been prevented. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
Wow. That's so great. Thank you so much for your information, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
we really appreciate it, and your opinions. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
There's been no accountability from anyone at all. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
There's still evidence of a government cover-up, that's been admitted by a few people, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:19 | |
it was just now, there could be a government cover-up. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
There's no "there COULD be a government cover-up", there HAS been a government cover-up. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:27 | |
They selectively hear things. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
Their takeaway from that will be that the American government did 9/11. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
That's what they just heard. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
Spurred on by Ben Sliney, Rodney thinks if there was a cover-up, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:41 | |
others, like M15 and the Israeli Secret Service, must have been in on it too. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
There's a lot of espionage going on in the world that we don't know about, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
there's so much in the world going on that we don't know about. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
What possible purpose? | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
It includes the Pakistani Secret Service, the Saudi Secret Service, it includes MI5. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
It was called chatter. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
So they all knew 9/11 was going to happen, my point is why did they not tell the US Government? | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
Dude, it happens all the time. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
None of us are absolutely, positively... | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
Yes, we can! That is not how the world works! | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
-How do you know everything? -Because that's not how the world works! | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
-We're human beings! -We don't know. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
That's the most ridiculous thing you ever said. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
We don't know Santa does not exist, we can't be sure. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
Santa! You're going to bring in Santa Claus?! | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
How do we know he doesn't exist? Who here's been to the North Pole? | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
-This is getting silly. -Oh, my God! You're just taking the piss. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
-I am taking the piss out of you, because it's ludicrous! -You're talking about Santa. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
< I'm done, I'm done. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
You're talking about... | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
I'm absolutely done with this, you don't make any sense. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
It's like everything about this 9/11 crap, conspiracy nuts... | 0:38:46 | 0:38:51 | |
You know, they have an end goal, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
and then they fit their silly jigsaw to make it fit. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
I feel like I'm fighting a losing battle, but I've still got one more chance. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
We're off to the site where the last plane, United 93, crashed. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
This is the celebrated flight where the passengers fought back | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
and some made calls to their loved ones, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
but according to some of my guys, the plane didn't exist at all. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
At 10:03am, the first crash investigators arrived on the scene | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
and found a large hole, but no bodies and no plane. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
My understanding is that the pieces are no larger than the phonebook. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
It does seem a bit strange for a plane to disappear, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
but for our conspiracy theorists, it's fuel to their fire. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:02 | |
The coroner, Mr Miller, who works at the FBI, neither he | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
nor nobody else knows what happened and caused Flight 93 to go down. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
This is from the coroner of Flight 93. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
He himself does not know. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
The wide displacement of the debris found miles out... | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
Basically, everything is speculation. It's all speculation. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
No-one knows what happened with Flight 93. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
Air crash investigator Greg wants to prove to Rodney | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
and the others that there really was a plane. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
Fortunately, they were able to find the black boxes, that is | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
And the airplane went in at a 40-45 degree angle into the ground upside down. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:46 | |
The sad thing is is that the human body is like a water balloon. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
And so at a high speed impact, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
the human explodes - as does the airplane. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
And so you won't find recognisable parts of the passengers and the crew on that airplane. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:04 | |
One other thing is that as the airplane went in, of course, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
this part stops because the ground acts as resistance, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
but the rest of the airplane still has a lot of energy and collapses into this big crater. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
That's why a lot of the witnesses said that the impact crater was very shallow, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:21 | |
but actually, the airplane had gone in almost 40 feet and then the dirt collapsed in on top of it. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:27 | |
Greg thinks the simple approach to science may convince them. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
Getting them to use flour and stones could prove to them how a plane can disappear completely. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:38 | |
This one is actually where the rock went in, | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
it displaced the flour out and then collapsed back in | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
and actually covered up the entire rock. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
Next, with eggs, he shows them how something can shatter into tiny pieces. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:55 | |
Now you see the debris has spread out. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
And with water bombs, how debris can scatter over a wide area. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
If you saw the splash... | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
..you see how much splash area is covered? | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
That's because that higher velocity will take the lighter water particles | 0:42:07 | 0:42:12 | |
and throw them further. The same with the airplane. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
High speed velocity, you're going to get that big impact crater, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
but the smaller flotsam, or debris from inside the airplane | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
will be flung further out. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
And that's why we have debris covering 70 acres out in that field. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
We know for a fact... | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
..that the aeroplane was intact as it went into the ground, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
and that it was most likely that the pilot who was flying the airplane... | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
..actually rolled the airplane and caused it to crash into the ground. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
It was very... there was a lot of pseudo-science. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
There was basically... we had the water bombs and the eggs. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
-It's not pseudo-science. -It is! | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
The physics and the thermo-fluid dynamics of an egg... | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
We're talking about a completely different scenario. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
Greg's physics gets the two sides of the bus arguing. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
Some of them still aren't convinced there was a plane. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
We would like something more tangible. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
Well, of course he's not going to get a bloody 757 and crash it into the field. It's impossible! | 0:43:12 | 0:43:18 | |
There's one here! | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
But the clincher for me is the passengers' phone calls to their families. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
"Hi baby..." | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
It's Shazin who's about to challenge me on this one. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
So a lot of people think that you can't make... | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
phone calls on a plane, | 0:43:36 | 0:43:37 | |
but I don't know how this science works | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
because we're still not able... we're still not allowed to use our phones on the plane. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:46 | |
You possibly could have done it in 2001 but not... | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
..above 30,000 feet and 42,000 feet... | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
..like it has been on the data recorded. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
So are you saying the satellite's completely different? | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
There's no such thing as satellites back then. It was all wire towers on the ground. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
-It's impossible. -How do you know it's impossible? | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
I'm not saying anything. Don't put words in my mouth! | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
Technically, on the scientific side, it's impossible. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
-We'll agree to disagree. -But that's not the point. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:10 | |
It's just scientific fact. That's all I'm trying to say. Let's be empirical about it. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
Let's be empirical about this! Let's get rid the emotion | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
and let's look at it as a scientific point of view. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:22 | |
A lady here talking about her son. She felt the conversation was a bit strange. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:29 | |
Charlotte is suggesting the phone calls made by passengers on United 93 | 0:44:29 | 0:44:34 | |
were in fact faked by reviewing this interview with one of the victims, Mark Bingham's mother. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:40 | |
So I'll just play that for you now. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
I get on the phone and he said, "Hi, mum, this is Mark Bingham." | 0:44:42 | 0:44:47 | |
And he says, "I want to let you know that I love you." | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
"And I'm flying... | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
"And there are three men that say they have a bomb. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
And I said, "Well who are they, Mark?" | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
And he repeated that he loved me, and then the phone went dead. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
What I find fascinating about that video is that he says his full name. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:13 | |
I don't know if you've ever called your parents and said, "Hi, mum. It's Charlotte Scott-Hayes here." | 0:45:13 | 0:45:18 | |
..ever in your life. I've never introduced myself to my mother with my full name before. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
And the second thing is, if you notice, | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
she asks him direct questions and he never answered a direct question. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
In fact, he repeated what he said before so... | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
There's people saying if it was fake, you'd just have some standard answers. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:37 | |
So what we want to find out is if it's possible at all | 0:45:37 | 0:45:41 | |
to fake someone's voice, record it, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
and play it over the phone and have it seem like it's come from the air. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:48 | |
Dr George Papcun is one of the inventors of voice morphing technology. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:53 | |
He's taken an example of Shazin's voice. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
I think everyone wants to be optimistic. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
When you hear of a tragedy, you want to think that the people... | 0:45:59 | 0:46:03 | |
Then he makes her say something she's never said. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
So look, I made her say this. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:08 | |
I think everyone wants to disappear and vanish. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
The results are very convincing. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
-That is so scary. -That's very, very scary. -That is so scary. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
So it can be done. So there's some basis to Charlotte's suspicions. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:25 | |
-If both sides of the conversation were faked... -Right. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
-..if it really wasn't ever answered by a relative... -Right. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:34 | |
..I think you're right. I think it could have been faked. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
But I said "if". This is crucial. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
In that regard, if somehow they were able to get Mark Bingham's voice. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:44 | |
Maybe they have a recorded phone conversation. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
Even Shazin, the most reasonable of the group, thinks the phone calls could have been edited. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:51 | |
Charlotte is adamant they could have faked Mark's half of the phone call, | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
but for her and Shazin's theory to be right, | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
they would have to have used that recording in a live conversation between Mark and his mother. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:04 | |
Can you show us how plausible it is to fake it where one person is a close intimate relative | 0:47:04 | 0:47:11 | |
and then you're doing a fake recording of that person? | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
Different bits of speech on the sound board and you click on the buttons. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
Have you not... Do you know about sound boards? | 0:47:18 | 0:47:21 | |
Sure, sure. I think in real time | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
it is not practical, and probably not realistically possible. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:29 | |
Look at what I had to do for... Shazin. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:36 | |
I had to do take a prior existing recording, | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
I had to cut things out, | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
switch them around, and then recreate what Shazin said. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
I didn't do that here in real time. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
-Yeah. -And that, I think, cannot be done in any realistic way. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:53 | |
My last chance at convincing them they're wrong | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
is to get them to talk to the person on the other end of the line, | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
Mark Bingham's mother. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
-Hello! -How you going? | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
How are you? I'm Alice Hoagland. How are you? | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
-Hello, I'm Shazin. -Shazin. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
-I'm Rodney. -Hello, Rodney. How are you? | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
I'm fine thanks. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:32 | |
Emily. Nice to meet you. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
-Hello, Emily. -You all right? | 0:48:34 | 0:48:36 | |
Pretty blue eyes. It's a pretty emotional place. I know that. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:40 | |
Yeah, it's really emotional. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:42 | |
-It's more emotional for you than it is for me. -Oh, I'll get there. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
I guess it must be have been kind of unusual | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
because you and the other families were just, I suppose... | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
getting about your day, living your lives, and all of a sudden you're... | 0:48:52 | 0:48:56 | |
..thrown into this massive global story. | 0:48:56 | 0:49:00 | |
It began to be surreal right away. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
I answered the phone and I heard Mark's voice, | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
and he said, "Mum, this is Mark Bingham." | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
Had he ever introduced himself like that before to you? | 0:49:07 | 0:49:12 | |
Well, on occasion. And people have made quite a to-do about that. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
One of the persistent rumours is that what I heard was... | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
..a computer-generated voice, | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
that no son would call up his mother | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
and say, "Mum, this Mark Bingham." | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
And I was puzzling about it, | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
but I realised that he was a public relations man, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
he was used to talking to people by introducing himself on the phone | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
like, "Hello, this is Mark Bingham." | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
It was what came out of his mouth | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
when he was trying hard to be calm and composed and talk to his mum. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:43 | |
I understand why people would be concerned about stories they read on the internet. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
The internet is something like the Wild West, | 0:49:47 | 0:49:49 | |
and people can get on there with very few credentials and not very many brains and say whatever they want to. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:55 | |
I don't think there's anything suspicious about him saying his full name. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
-No. -Is there any doubt in your mind that it was your boy you were speaking to? | 0:49:59 | 0:50:04 | |
Not a bit. Not a bit. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:05 | |
As a matter of fact, I was trying to think of something intelligent to say and... | 0:50:07 | 0:50:12 | |
..and then we were cut off, | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
and I dialled Mark's cell phone number | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
and left him two messages and... | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
it went something like this, | 0:50:23 | 0:50:24 | |
"Mark, this is your mum. It's a terrorist attack and you've got to do what you can do... | 0:50:24 | 0:50:29 | |
"..and get some weapons together and make a run. You're not going to get much help from on the ground. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:34 | |
"I love you, sweetie. Good Luck. Good bye!" | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
And my messages to Mark were numbers 41 and 42... | 0:50:40 | 0:50:47 | |
..of a whole bunch of messages that were left for him that he hadn't received. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
And then, from listening to the cockpit voice recording, | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
clearly they were! They were fighting. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
And what I could hear was a group of about four, five, six, seven... | 0:50:58 | 0:51:04 | |
..men charging forward. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:09 | |
I can just visualise Mark leaping over the seats... | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
..and letting the other guys run up the aisle... | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
..and you can hear them really close, | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
"In the cockpit! In the cockpit! In the cockpit!" | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
They were already in the cockpit, at this stage? | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
Well, that's what we don't know. I don't know. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
We brought Alice to meet you | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
because, so could first hand have, someone face to face could say, | 0:51:31 | 0:51:36 | |
"Yes, I listened to my loved one | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
"that day on an airphone. Yes, I completely believe it was them." | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
I have no doubt, I have no doubt in my mind at all | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
that that's what she believes, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:46 | |
I have no doubt in my mind that's what she believes. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
Well, do you think she was duped? | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
It's a possibility, | 0:51:52 | 0:51:53 | |
its a definite possibility. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
It can be done we have the technology to do that. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
It could be done very easily I probably could do it myself. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
OK fine. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
She's a lovely lady, but, um... | 0:52:04 | 0:52:09 | |
but, for example, if it was someone I knew or someone in my family | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
I would be relentlessly fighting to get all the evidence out | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
and to have someone account, | 0:52:15 | 0:52:16 | |
everyone should be held accountable, for me personally. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
You know, I would fight tooth and nail to get justice. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
I find it strange that she was... | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
maybe she thinks it's not going to happen, | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
maybe she's lost hope. Nothing that sad - | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
people in the US government could have prevented it? | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
should have? And if they didn't they should be held accountable, | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
heads should roll. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:39 | |
I'm not putting anyone down but we're having a fricking debate, | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
if I disagree with you I'm going to say I disagree with you that's how a debate works. | 0:52:55 | 0:53:00 | |
You're making it sound like I'm being an idiot. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
-I'm not saying that you're... -You're shouting at me! | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
Then shout at me back, shout at me back. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
-It just drives me fucking crazy. -I have a loud voice, Charlotte. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:13 | |
It's like you are either crying or screaming or happy! | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
I don't have a heart of stone like you who can stand in front of someone | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
who lost their son and then someone else that says it didn't happen. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
Oh, man, has anyone got any Prozac? | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
You've driven me so, so crazy at points. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
It doesn't matter who cries when or whatever this whole thing is really emotional | 0:53:29 | 0:53:34 | |
and if she wants to cry in front of a mother who lost her son it's fine. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
-It's OK, I never said she shouldn't. -Well, that's the thing. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
Yeah, I'm sorry if I'm not cold and not crying. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
-Yeah all right whatever, whatever. -I apologise | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
We're at the end of our trip and I want to know | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
whether I've succeeded in changing any of their minds. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
Rodney remains convinced it's a conspiracy. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
I think they knew about it and they let it happen. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
I seemed to have failed with charlotte too. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
You believe the American Government, or possibly higher, | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
in brackets, Illuminati, were behind 9/11. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
Right, yep. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
Erm, there was no phone calls from the planes? | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
Yeah, I still believe in that. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
OK. Er, there was no plane went into the Pentagon, | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
it was in fact a missile. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:19 | |
Yeah, I'm pretty much 80% on that point, I'm still debating that. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
Which one? | 0:54:23 | 0:54:24 | |
That there wasn't a plane. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
Emily is sitting on the fence. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
I have this-these people telling me one thing | 0:54:29 | 0:54:31 | |
and these people telling me another thing and I'm in the middle. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:35 | |
I don't know what to believe because, quite simply, | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
we don't know, we don't know what happened. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
Shaz has come to a conclusion too. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
The interesting thing about the trip for me, | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
being the least conspiratorial, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
was that people with conspiracy type opinions | 0:54:51 | 0:54:56 | |
or the people on the trip are... | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
..very suspicious | 0:54:59 | 0:55:03 | |
and I think that that isn't very healthy. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
But Charlie has totally changed his mind. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
I found my personal truth and you don't have to agree with me | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
but I can't push propaganda for ideas that I no longer believe in | 0:55:15 | 0:55:19 | |
and that's, that's what I do so I just need to basically | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
take it on the chin, admit I was wrong, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
be humble about it and just carry on. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
The five of them, Charlie, you know, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
the most astonishing really, | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
he's completely changed | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
from an ardent | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
conspiritorialist to | 0:55:38 | 0:55:39 | |
a weary realist, I suppose, which would be more my position on the thing. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:44 | |
Its seems in all probability to me, | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
and saddening probability to me, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
a bunch of fanatics got through | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
because the American government | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
didn't see it coming, | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
weren't ready for it, | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
and in many ways were tragically inept. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
Despite our differences, here at the Pentagon memorial to those who died, | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
one thing unites us all - | 0:56:05 | 0:56:06 | |
it's the sense of tragedy and loss of 2973 innocent people | 0:56:06 | 0:56:12 | |
on that terrible day in America. September the 11th 2001. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:17 | |
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