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This programme contains some strong language and scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
Some time after sunset, a group of men gathered together in Kandahar | 0:00:08 | 0:00:13 | |
to savour the moment they made history. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
Televisions had been banned in Afghanistan, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
but these men were honoured guests. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
Osama Bin Laden and his al-Qaeda faithful were there to watch | 0:00:25 | 0:00:30 | |
the horror of 9/11 unfold. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
What al-Qaeda call "The Manhattan Raid". | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
So the West invaded Afghanistan. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
There was a belief it could be done quickly, with a very light footprint, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:50 | |
we could be in and we could be out again, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
and we ended up doing neither one thing nor the other. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
Instead 47 nations - America and Britain especially - | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
have been sucked ever deeper into a quagmire. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
I used to ask myself every time I went to Afghanistan, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
"What are we doing here?" | 0:01:07 | 0:01:08 | |
In the first of three programmes | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
marking ten years of war in Afghanistan, I've been examining | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
some of the key decisions that have shaped the conflict. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
A conflict that's cost many thousands of lives, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
including more than 370 British servicemen and women. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:32 | |
With the right attention, the right strategy and the right resources, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
the war would be over and most of our boys would be home, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
but we didn't do it. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:44 | |
It's important to give people a clear idea | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
that there is an end to this. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
So will the death of Osama Bin Laden, who started the Afghan war, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
bring us any closer to an end? | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
Two years before 9/11, Afghanistan's UN envoy arrived in New York. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
There he handed in his resignation. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
I went to the Security Council and said, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
"Look, I have done everything I know | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
"and it has got us nowhere. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
"I haven't got anywhere, because you are not supporting me, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
"you are not interested in Afghanistan. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
"But you are wrong." | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
Afghanistan had become a pariah state. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
The Taliban government had allowed al-Qaeda | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
to establish its base there. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
From where Osama bin Laden declared a holy war on Jews and Christians. | 0:02:54 | 0:03:01 | |
The Taliban shared with al-Qaeda its medieval version of Islam. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:07 | |
The United Nations had been trying to persuade the Taliban | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
to kick out al-Qaeda. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:11 | |
Their envoy had a rare meeting with the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
a veteran of the war against the Russian invaders of the 1980s. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
Very shy man, you know he had lost an eye and he was, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:28 | |
he was very much aware of that. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:29 | |
So he kept, you know, always playing with his hand like this. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:35 | |
Very, very soft spoken. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
I told him, look, this group have an agenda that has nothing to do | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
with Afghanistan, and that will create a lot of problems for you. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:46 | |
He said, "Osama bin Laden, he's our guest." | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
In Afghanistan, Bin Laden was more than a guest. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
As a wealthy Saudi, he helped bankroll the Taliban regime. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
Mullah Omar refused to disown his friend and benefactor. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
Lakhdar Brahimi's mission had failed. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
He warned the Security Council that by ignoring Afghanistan, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
they were storing up trouble. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
You are wrong to think that, you know, this is a small country, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
far away country, that what happens there is irrelevant. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
It will blow in our faces. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
Holy shit! | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
The impact of 9/11 cannot be understated. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
It was the deadliest attack | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
against America in its history. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
With nearly 3,000 dead, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
it was inevitable that America would strike back. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
The people who knocked these buildings down | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
will hear all of us soon. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
Prompting America to invade Afghanistan | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
was exactly what Osama bin Laden was hoping for on September 11th. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
His son has told us, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
in retrospect, my father's dream | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
was to get America to invade Afghanistan. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
To me, it's just common sense, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
obviously you just got to go get the guy. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
America gave the Taliban every chance to avoid war. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
All they had to do was hand over Bin Laden. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
If Bin Laden's the guy we want, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
send the assassination team out and get him. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
There was a serious effort to persuade the Taliban | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
you do not want to go down with al-Qaeda. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
If you'll hand these guys over, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
our war isn't with you. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
The Taliban response was that their ancient hospitality code | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
trumped all other considerations. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
It was a no, that we're not going to separate ourselves | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
from traditional hospitality, welcoming of guests. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
It's hard for us to understand that when you're dealing | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
with a man like Osama Bin Laden. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:09 | |
It happens, it happens like that. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
Yes. The life of the guest is protected by the lives of the hosts. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
Nearly four weeks after 9/11 America's patience ran out. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
The President told his generals to unleash "Holy Hell". | 0:06:28 | 0:06:33 | |
On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against | 0:06:33 | 0:06:39 | |
al-Qaeda terrorist training camps | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
and military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
America was determined not to get bogged down in Afghanistan. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
So there was no large ground invasion, no heavy armour. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
Instead, America relied on CIA operatives, precision, speed, | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
just 1,800 troops, and buying up Afghan militias. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
Its plan was "war-lite". | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
We sent in 20 or 30 CIA officers with several million dollars | 0:07:10 | 0:07:16 | |
in walking-around money | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
and bought the Northern Alliance over to our side. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
The Northern Alliance was a coalition of warlords | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
which had once ruled much of Afghanistan. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
They were a rag tag militia | 0:07:30 | 0:07:31 | |
now aligned to the world's most sophisticated fighting force. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:36 | |
In the 1990s, the Northern Alliance had lost to the Taliban | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
in a civil war costing tens of thousands of lives. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
The tables were now turning. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
On 13th November 2001, just five weeks after the invasion, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:11 | |
the Northern Alliance captured the capital Kabul. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
It looked like the war was over. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
That's not what Osama bin Laden thought was going to happen, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
he thought it would be a long, protracted, guerrilla struggle. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
He was surprised. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:26 | |
The celebrations in Kabul | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
concealed a mass of underlying tribal and sectarian tensions. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:42 | |
The Northern Alliance represented ethnic groups in the North. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
The Taliban were drawn from the majority Pashtun of the South. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:52 | |
To avoid another inter-ethnic civil war, Afghanistan | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
needed a leader acceptable to both. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
That leader was a Pashtun who teamed up with US Special Forces | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
at a secret air base near the Pakistan border. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
His name was Hamid Karzai. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
In 2001 my mission was to link up with Hamid Karzai. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:22 | |
I liked him immediately. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
I can't say I've worked with many Afghan warlords before, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
so maybe they're all equally personable. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
But Karzai was a very modest man. Very polite. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:36 | |
Captain Amerine's mission was to help Karzai | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
raise an army against the Taliban. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
The Taliban had retreated south | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
and were regrouping for a last stand in their spiritual home in Kandahar. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:50 | |
During a chaotic day of fighting, Karzai and Amerine learnt | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
that hundreds of Taliban fighters were closing in on them. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
Basically as all hell was breaking loose and we were waiting | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
for the Taliban to overrun our location and kill everybody, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
Karzai was standing out there in the street calmly directing people | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
and trying to gather up guerrillas to fight with us. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
He was definitely cool under pressure. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
We received a phone call late at night. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
Everybody was asleep except me and Karzai. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
After he hung up, it was like, you know, "Who was that?" | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
And he says to me, "Oh, that was an intermediary for Mullah Omar." | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
And I kind of did a double take. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:51 | |
I'm like, "What did Mullah Omar want?" | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
The Taliban leader wanted to explore the terms of a surrender. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
Provided the Taliban returned peacefully to their homes, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
the war would be over. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:05 | |
At least, that's what the Taliban say Hamid Karzai promised Mullah Omar. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:12 | |
He promised to him that this is your country, to live in | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
your country peacefully with all your natural rights and the human rights. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:22 | |
But they were not allowed to live peacefully in this country. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
Washington rejected a deal with the Taliban. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
Their Afghan mission was "Kill or Capture" | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
and they made no distinction between the Taliban and al-Qaeda. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
Get your BLEEPing head down. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
-Do you think that was a mistake? -I do. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
Certainly below the level of Mullah Omar, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
to have considered a political approach | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
which would have offered the Taliban | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
possibilities for them to participate in the political process, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
provided that they would cut their ties with international terrorism. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
I think history will judge that as a missed opportunity. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
Because Washington wanted to get in and out of Afghanistan swiftly, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
there were few US troops to chase the fleeing al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:16 | |
The hunt for Osama bin Laden took special forces | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
to a network of caves close to the Pakistan border. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
This top hill. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:26 | |
Very top up there. That's supposedly where Bin Laden's hanging out. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
The Americans had deployed less than 100 troops | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
with which to seal all routes out of these vast mountains. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
Bin Laden slipped away, as did the Taliban leaders. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
We took our eye off the ball | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
and gave Osama bin Laden, Mullah Omar a remarkable second chance. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
And in one of the most brilliant military comebacks of modern times, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
the Taliban went from the ashes of defeat | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
to being on the outskirts of Kabul in a matter of less than a decade. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:04 | |
Any hope that the Afghan war would be brief | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
vanished when Bin Laden and Mullah Omar slipped across the border | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
into Pakistan's Pashtun tribal lands. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
Greeting the fugitives were not only friends and family, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
but also elements of Pakistan's military intelligence | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
sympathetic to al-Qaeda and who'd also helped the Taliban | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
win the Afghan civil war in the 1990s. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
They wanted a government in Kabul | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
that was under their influence and control. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
And which was not under the influence of India. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
They'd given them their first batch of serious weaponry, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
ammunition, money. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
There were Pakistani military officers | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
who were working and serving with the Taliban. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
After 9/11, Pakistan's President, Pervez Musharraf, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
bowed to American pressure | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
and promised to cut his government's ties to the Taliban. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
The Bush administration was ecstatic | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
when Musharraf agreed to switch sides, after September 11th. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:23 | |
President Bush is a man who believes very strongly | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
in personal relationships | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
and he believed that he and General Musharraf | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
had developed a strong bond between them. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
Many al-Qaeda members were arrested. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
Not so the Taliban high command. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
Mullah Omar and his fellow fugitive leaders | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
were reported to be living openly in the border city of Quetta. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:51 | |
Right on the outskirts of Quetta | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
there is the biggest refugee camp, about 100,000 people. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
Now, this is the centre of everything | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
-and control... -The centre of the Taliban? | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
-Yes, centre of any terrorist coming and going. -Any jihadi group? | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
Yeah, anyone could come there and go. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
Can you differentiate between a Taliban or a refugee? | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
No, sir, you cannot. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
They have the same beards, carrying weapons, so it's the same people. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
In Kabul, the Afghan Intelligence Service did not accept | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
there was an innocent explanation to Mullah Omar's presence. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
From the outset, there was deep distrust of Pakistan's motives. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
The Taliban leadership were hibernating in Pakistan. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
They were not defeated or killed. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
The Americans received verbal assurances from President Musharraf | 0:15:41 | 0:15:46 | |
that Pakistan will cooperate. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
But they kept the Taliban intact. I mean the leadership of the Taliban. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
I learnt over time in dealing with President Musharraf | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
that he would literally tell me truth. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
I had an occasion where I asked him to dismantle a certain terrorist camp | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
that was directed towards Kashmir. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
And after we wrangled a bit about it, he agreed. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:12 | |
And he did? He dismantled it? | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
He did dismantle it. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:15 | |
However, he "re-mantled" it a couple of kilometres away. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
Now, when I went back to him, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:20 | |
I said "Now, this time, I need you to dismantle this terrorist camp. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
"So let's say you have 12 in total, tomorrow there'll be 11 and every day after this there'll be 11." | 0:16:25 | 0:16:31 | |
"OK, I agree". And he did it. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
Terrorists who once occupied Afghanistan | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
now occupy cells in Guantanamo Bay. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
Four months after 9/11, there was a feeling in Washington | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
of mission accomplished. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
Liberated from the austerity of the Taliban regime, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
Afghans celebrated the birth of new freedoms. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
A free press, a role for women | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
and eventually the first democratically elected head of state. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
But the Americans made it clear from the start | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
that they weren't there to rebuild Afghanistan. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
That was a job for Hamid Karzai's new government. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
The US insisted that public safety | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
in Afghanistan should be a responsibility for the Afghans, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
despite the fact | 0:17:28 | 0:17:29 | |
that at this point the country had no army and no police force. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
The US Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
said it would be a fool's errand | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
to get more involved in a tribal society as complex as Afghanistan. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:44 | |
Rumsfeld said US forces would use their influence to prevent outright fighting, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
but that nobody would do peacekeeping or public security outside of Kabul. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:53 | |
Wouldn't get that in Colchester, would you? | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
Britain led the first group | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
of international forces to assist with the security of Kabul. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
That left 80% of the country - more than twice the size of the UK - unsecured. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:11 | |
Who did Secretary Rumsfeld think then was going to keep | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
law and order if it wasn't going to be a stabilisation force? | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
-My view is, he did not care. -How did he imagine | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
that stability was going to arise out of a.... | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
I don't think, I don't think he cared about stability. He was intent, give him his credit, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:32 | |
on dismantling and destroying Al-Qaeda. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
I don't think he was intent at all on what the Afghan of the future, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
the Afghanistan of the future would look like. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
It was right not to put ourselves in the business of trying to govern | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
a foreign country for which we had neither the cultural | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
nor the linguistic capacity to do it | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
and which would have dragged us into Afghan quarrels, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
and pretty soon we would be the problem, not as an occupying power, but it's beyond our competence. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:02 | |
On the other hand, I think we should have done more to build up | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
-the Afghan capability to provide for their own security. -Security forces. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
If there's one thing I would wish we had done, it was to use the time when things were relatively quiet. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:17 | |
Karzai had no militia of his own. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
His interim government brokered by the UN included warlords - | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
the same people whose violence and corruption | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
had given rise to the Taliban. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
While they occupied cabinet seats in Kabul, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
their militias filled the power vacuum outside. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
People forget that he didn't create this administration, we did. The international community, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
including the United Nations, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
including myself, we formed this government. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
We told him "please come to Kabul and lead this group". | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
We allied ourselves with former warlords. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:59 | |
Our objective was to destroy Al-Qaeda. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
And we very much then created and empowered | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
a group of political actors not accountable and also people who, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:11 | |
as they grew in power, actually caused more instability. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:17 | |
In all this, the Taliban, who just months earlier had been | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
the government of Afghanistan, seemed to have just vanished. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
I was one of the people who was saying "look, where are the Taliban? | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
"They're, you know, these people controlled 90% of the country a few weeks ago." | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
-And what was the response? -The response was | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
"they've been defeated, it's gone, finished, they'll never come back." | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
Within six months of the invasion, Britain and America began to avert | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
their gaze from Afghanistan, pre-occupied by another matter. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:56 | |
Preparations for the war in Iraq. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
The biggest single mistake? Just one? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
Probably Iraq. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:08 | |
We didn't know then, you know, the most important player in Afghanistan, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:22 | |
the Americans, was absent-minded from day one, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
was looking somewhere else. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
The world was now focused almost exclusively on Iraq, while Taliban | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
gunmen started to cross the porous border into southern Afghanistan. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
It was March 2003, just 18 months after the invasion. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:49 | |
The Taliban were back. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
The Taliban went into Kandahar | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
and they were looking for targets and there were very few targets, | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
there were just Afghans living there, there were no foreign troops. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
There were a few Afghan government representatives who really weren't | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
worth killing as far as the Taliban were concerned in those early days. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
So the Taliban just went further and further | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
into Afghanistan, looking for targets. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
'The UN in Afghanistan has ordered staff not to travel by road | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
'in the area where an international Red Cross worker was murdered last Thursday.' | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
'He was ordered out of his car by a group of armed men and then shot.' | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
You had American generals sending off cables, saying, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
you know, "something is happening", and sending cables even to Rumsfeld. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
And I think Rumsfeld ignored them. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
The White House ignored them. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
We clearly have moved from major combat activity to a period | 0:22:45 | 0:22:52 | |
of stability and stabilisation and reconstruction and...activities. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
It was the forgotten war of 2002 to 2005. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
The Taliban were reorganising. They were licking their wounds | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
and figuring out what to do next. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
There wasn't a heavy British or coalition loss, and the country seemed to be relatively stable. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:18 | |
It wasn't a war on the front pages. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
Yet the Afghan war was far from over. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
In fact, it was about to reignite. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
By 2005, NATO was in control and did what Washington had so opposed at the start. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:36 | |
They increased troop numbers and inched towards nation-building. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:43 | |
NATO wanted to extend the authority of the Afghan President, Hamid Karzai, beyond Kabul. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:49 | |
Britain took on Helmand province. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
It was suggested that I go down to this place called Lashkar Gah. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
And everybody said, "it's not entirely safe, but you'll be OK." | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
Boarding an old Russian helicopter, Britain's Foreign Office minister | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
decided to take a look for himself at Lashkar Gah, capital of Helmand province. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:23 | |
And as we came into Lashkar Gah, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
I saw down below me this Beau Geste fort. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:31 | |
The commander was a guy called Colonel Hogberg. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
I said, "what's it like here?" | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
And he said, "well, sir, it ain't the end of the earth, but you can see it from here!" | 0:24:36 | 0:24:42 | |
He said you could be wandering into a fight between two tribes | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
or sub-tribes or villages over water rights. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
You could run into a drugs convoy. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
And he pointed out to me that some of these drugs columns | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
actually had anti-aircraft missiles on them. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
You could be running into Taliban, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:04 | |
or just a village that didn't like strangers. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
He said "we don't hang around, because you never know who's shooting at you." | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
And this really struck me at the time | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
as being an observation that we ought to take a bit of notice of. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:20 | |
Helmand had little infrastructure, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
few public services, no functioning security, economy or justice system. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
The Blair government's vision for Helmand, however, did not lack for ambition. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:33 | |
The original vision was that Karzai would be able to create | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
a growing and sustainable peace, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
and this would create a space in which governance would spread. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
And some people likened this to creating Belgium in a couple of years. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
A team of experts was dispatched to Helmand by Whitehall in late 2005. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:55 | |
Their task was to plan the delivery of this vision, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
with troops providing protection and expected home in just three years. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
It was a task of biblical proportions. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
It was a medieval province, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
vast open spaces. There was no infrastructure. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
I remember flying across the province's only road. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
Corruption ran from top to bottom. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
So when one looked at all of this, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
one saw a rudderless expanse of not much, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
where the principal economy was drugs. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
Some estimates said that 80% | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
of the population were illiterate, and that extended | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
to many key functions in government, including the Director of Education, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:39 | |
who could not read or write. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
We didn't know how many police stations there were. The chief of police wasn't sure either. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
There were sporadic outbursts of violence | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
because of the drug trafficking. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
And when I asked the American officer | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
what background research I should do to understand Helmand better, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
he said I should watch The Sopranos. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
On their return home for Christmas, the planners met up with their Whitehall masters. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
The planners told them their vision for Helmand was unrealistic. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
The overwhelming impression I had of that afternoon was of the clock ticking. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:16 | |
The conclusion that this was not achievable in three years | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
was not an acceptable conclusion. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
There was an unforgiving timeline, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
and there was no time for discussion. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
The planners were told to get on with it. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
But they weren't the only ones asking awkward questions. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
The Foreign Office minister wrote to the Ministry of Defence. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
We're planning to go down there with 3,300 troops. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
We had 30,000 in Northern Ireland. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
Are we sure that we're going to be able to do something about this? | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
And have we got enough helicopters, have we got enough water, can we, you know, can we do all of this? | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
The generals said yes, yes, and yes. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
The military momentum was unstoppable. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
Britain was going to Helmand, come what may. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
16 Air Assault was the brigade chosen to provide protection for the reconstruction mission. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:24 | |
They did anticipate some fighting. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
There was an awful lot of grenade launcher | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
practice going on down the road. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
And there wasn't much of a queue for the development brief. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:38 | |
There were a lot of stripped down vehicles going past. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
This was, I think, every soldier's dream, Afghanistan. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
Hugely historically resonant, extraordinary country, classic soldiering. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:59 | |
Perhaps, as a former soldier myself, I understand that. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
My sense was that they had come with a larger place in the plan | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
for malleting the Taliban. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
No, I dispute that. I mean, I'd been in the military for two dozen years. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
I'd been on a lot of operations. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
I knew the consequences of the wrong use of force. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
I'd been in Afghanistan twice before. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
The force deployed gave a maximum of only 800 fighting soldiers. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
So the reconstruction mission was limited | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
to the central area of Helmand around the capital, Lashkar Gah. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:39 | |
'Out on patrol in Helmand, the British troops have arrived | 0:29:44 | 0:29:49 | |
'and are introducing themselves to their neighbours.' | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
I'm good, fine. How are you? | 0:29:54 | 0:29:55 | |
Does he understand why the British soldiers are in Lashkar Gah? | 0:29:55 | 0:30:01 | |
TRANSLATOR: No, sir. He said no. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
From the moment troops arrived, Helmand's Afghan governor warned that his authority was being | 0:30:06 | 0:30:11 | |
undermined by lawless gunmen in the north. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
He urged the army to deal with them. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
His argument was very much saying, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
"I need you to make sure that the flag of Afghanistan flies | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
"over all of the district centres". | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
Did you resist that to begin with or not? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
We did, we made it very clear that we were going to be extremely limited | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
in our capability to do other operations. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
The generals in London judged that deploying north was unsustainable. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
But the Helmand Governor persevered and was supported | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
by the British embassy in Kabul and the Secret Intelligence Service. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
By late May, the generals relented. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
The order was given to defend positions up to 70 miles from the reconstruction area. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:03 | |
By late June, the army was thinly spread across three new flashpoints | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
and about to stretch to yet a fourth - the town of Sangin. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:20 | |
There were no angels in Sangin. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:25 | |
There were two warring drug cartels, effectively, in Sangin. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:31 | |
And here we were, about to deploy British troops | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
in between those two drugs cartels. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
I did everything I possibly could to engage anyone who had decision-making authority to say "this is madness. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:44 | |
-"This cannot be happening." -But it was. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
The arrival of the troops stirred up a hornets' nest. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
I was furious watching that type of decision-making | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
that ended up...uprooting the entire plan that we'd devised. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:02 | |
The summer of 2006 saw the British army | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
engaged in some of its fiercest fighting in half a century. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:12 | |
-How does this compare to Iraq? -Oh, it's a lot worse. That was a lot better. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:20 | |
We didn't see any action in Iraq. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
Out here, every day you can guarantee small arms fire incoming. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
Pinned down in a series of Alamos across the north of Helmand, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
British soldiers became magnets for attacks from the Taliban, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
drug gangs and locals just angry at the presence of foreigners. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:42 | |
A lot of the people we were killing were effectively farmers who'd had | 0:32:42 | 0:32:47 | |
-AK-47s put in their hands by the Taliban leadership. -Part-time Talibs. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:52 | |
Part-time Talibs, part-time Talibs and not very well trained ones. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
We killed huge numbers of them. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
I don't think that was to our liking at all. We were conscious | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
that with everyone we killed, we were probably actually fuelling the insurgency. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
The general responsible for overseeing day to day operations | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
in Helmand was Sir Peter Wall, now head of the British Army. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:15 | |
The mission changed dramatically. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
-No, I don't think the mission did change. -Really? -No. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
Change in what way? | 0:33:21 | 0:33:22 | |
Do you mean the aim changed or the mode of delivery changed? | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
Well, the original mission was a sort of | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
"hearts and minds, help bring governance" mission | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
for this limited area in the centre of Helmand. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
And within a matter of weeks, 16 Air Assault were fighting for their lives in a series of Alamos | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
and no governance, none at all taking place. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
Had we not gone north, what would have happened, in your estimation? | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
That's not for me to say. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
-You were in charge of operational decision. -Yeah. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
So what's your estimation? | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
Afghan governance in Helmand would have collapsed. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
You'd have seen the Taliban breaking out, and you'd have had your Alamos in different parts of Helmand. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:02 | |
Fuck me! | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
Where have you seen the Taliban? Where? | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
The original mission was to win hearts and minds. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
You would accept, I guess, that if only because we needed to protect our soldiers, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:29 | |
that quite a lot of Afghan hearts were lost in the process? | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
Undoubtedly. Yeah, undoubtedly. I accept that. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
This guy is ID-ing these here and saying they're Taliban. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
Two men? | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
Taliban, yeah? | 0:34:43 | 0:34:44 | |
How much of your original plan did you manage to implement? | 0:34:44 | 0:34:49 | |
Not really very much! | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
After the first 18 months of hard fighting, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
understanding the challenges the Taliban posed, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
our expectations changed from Belgium in two years | 0:34:59 | 0:35:04 | |
to Bangladesh in 30. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
The scale of the challenges really became apparent. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
Jesus! Stay still. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
Stay fucking still. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
Jack, we've got to get him out now! | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
In the first five years of the Afghan conflict, two British soldiers had been killed in action. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:33 | |
In 2006 alone, that rose to 39. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
A slow drumbeat of death began to roll. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:42 | |
Ministers said the sacrifice was about keeping the streets of Britain | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
safe by denying Al-Qaeda a safe haven in Afghanistan. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
Yet a mission that had been intended to help stabilise Afghanistan | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
seemed to have made it less stable. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
'There's no doubt that the Taliban are growing in confidence and they're focusing their attention on Kabul.' | 0:36:10 | 0:36:16 | |
'Another bomb blast on the streets of Kabul. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
'This is becoming increasingly familiar.' | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
By the start of 2007, violence had spread across much of the country, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:31 | |
with a sevenfold increase in suicide bombings. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
Many were being planned and executed from Pakistan. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
The then US commander was General Karl Eikenberry. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:45 | |
He had regular meetings with the Afghan President, Hamid Karzai. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:50 | |
'Many of my conversations with him were conversations' | 0:36:50 | 0:36:55 | |
of maybe 60 minutes and 58 minutes would be spent on Pakistan. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
And my view was, initially, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
'he seems to be obsessing on this subject, but I have to tell you,' | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
as I look back on it, he was correct, it was a very serious problem. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
I think around that time Pakistan came to the conclusion | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
maybe the coalition was going to be short of breath. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
I believe very strongly that if the coalition | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
was not going to prevail in Afghanistan then Pakistan | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
wanted to make sure that they had some seat at the table. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
A seat for Pakistan by using the Taliban | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
to gain influence inside Afghanistan. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
The CIA concluded that America's closest ally in the region could no longer be trusted. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:38 | |
Pakistan's intelligence service, the ISI, was playing a double game. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:45 | |
Do you want to know where the headquarters of the Afghan Taliban is? | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
Find the headquarters of the ISI, they are in the same building. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
We've even had reports of Pakistani officers | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
being killed inside Afghanistan, | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
fighting with the Afghan Taliban as expert advisors to them. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
The Afghans also insist that Pakistan intelligence was protecting the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:11 | |
-They know where he is? -Of course. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
He is in their safe house. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Did they ever tell you where he was when you were...? | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
I told them where he was and they got panicked. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
Not once, not twice - time and again. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
Why did you not hand over Mullah Omar to the Americans? | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
He never came to Pakistan. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
-He did! -That is the normal belief. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
He came to Pakistan at the end of 2002. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
No, I don't think so, ever. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
You don't think he is even there today? | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
No, I don't think. He'll be mad if he's in Pakistan. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
-Where do you think he is? -He'll be in his own area. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
-In Afghanistan? -Yes. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
You think Mullah Omar is in Afghanistan? | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
-Yes, indeed. -You must be the only person who does? | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
Well, I'm the only person? No. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
The people who don't believe that are probably West and United States. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
I don't think anyone else believes that he is in Pakistan. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
By the end of 2008, many of the Bush administration's major goals | 0:39:08 | 0:39:13 | |
for Afghanistan were in reverse. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
The 'Lite' military footprint was heavier. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
53,000 NATO troops - mostly American - and rising. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
Washington, once determined to avoid nation-building, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
was now spending many billions. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
And Pakistan, once their friend, was betraying them. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:36 | |
America was getting sucked in deeper and deeper and there seemed no way out. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
CROWD CHEERS | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
-Thank you. -All eyes turned to a new president for fresh thinking. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
Thank you so much, everybody, thank you very much. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
Thank you, everybody. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
We meet at one of those defining moments, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
a moment when our nation is at war. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
'We left him a very poor hand of cards,' | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
with very few choices. When Mr Obama came aboard, | 0:40:07 | 0:40:13 | |
he was immediately faced with, "Be careful, don't lose Afghanistan." | 0:40:13 | 0:40:18 | |
The President asked me to fly with him to California in early March 2009. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:29 | |
And after reading my report, we spent the better part of a couple of hours going through it. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:34 | |
President Obama had asked Bruce Riedel | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
to write a no-holds-barred report on the Afghan crisis, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
and Riedel did not pull his punches. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:48 | |
Defeat is what we were staring in the eye two years ago, catastrophic defeat in Afghanistan. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
With the Taliban taking over the southern half of the country | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
and maybe being able to march on Kabul at some point in the future | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
and the NATO Alliance fragmenting and falling apart. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
The President ordered his staff to go back to basics. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
What exactly were America's goals, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
and how best to achieve them? | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
A gruelling policy review ensued. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
It would take eight long months. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
In settings somewhat humbler than Air Force One, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
an equally bleak picture had been briefed to the British Prime Minister. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
I was on my way home for the weekend and I'd got to Cardiff station | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
and just got on the train that goes up the valley, and it was packed out. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
Suddenly the Prime Minister was on the phone, and you can't not take a call from the Prime Minister! | 0:41:47 | 0:41:53 | |
Gordon Brown wanted Kim Howells' assessment of the Afghan government led by Hamid Karzai. | 0:41:53 | 0:42:00 | |
Seven years earlier Karzai had been seen as Afghanistan's saviour. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
I told him that we would find it increasingly difficult | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
trying to argue the case for continued death | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
and the maiming of our young people in Afghanistan | 0:42:10 | 0:42:16 | |
when they were fighting to prop up a regime that was basically... | 0:42:16 | 0:42:21 | |
up to its eyeballs in corruption. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:22 | |
These mansions had sprung up in a part of Kabul | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
exclusively reserved for Afghanistan's military and political elite. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:35 | |
Ordinary Afghans could only wonder how such luxuries | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
could be afforded on a government wage. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
In early 2009, one of the US senators overseeing | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
America's multi-billion-dollar investment in Afghanistan | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
confronted Karzai in the Presidential Palace. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
The corruption in the country is rampant, | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
very frustrating to go there year in and year out and say | 0:43:00 | 0:43:05 | |
"When is somebody going to jail in Afghanistan for ripping off the Afghan people? | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
"When is somebody connected to the highest narcotics dealer ever going to go to jail in this country?" | 0:43:09 | 0:43:15 | |
-You said this to President Karzai? -Absolutely, just like I'm saying it. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
-At the dinner table? -Yes. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
"How much longer are the Afghan people going to have to wait | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
"and the world going to have to wait till you see things change here?" | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
This is Afghan MP, Dr Basher Dost, | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
famous for giving most of his salary to the poor. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:39 | |
In 2004, he resigned as Karzai's planning minister | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
in protest at the epic scale of corruption. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
Karzai offered to let Bashar Dost head a new anti-corruption commission. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:51 | |
He agreed, but only if he could investigate Karzai's cabinet. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:58 | |
What was his response? | 0:44:10 | 0:44:11 | |
So you left the government? | 0:44:26 | 0:44:27 | |
In August 2009, Karzai stood for re-election. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
-NEWSREADER: -Voting is underway in Afghanistan's presidential election. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
Corruption, fraud, apathy and the threat of attacks from the Taliban... | 0:44:39 | 0:44:43 | |
Allegations of vote rigging and fraud have been ringing across the cities, valleys and plains of Afghanistan. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:50 | |
The presidential election was wreathed in corruption. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
Ballot boxes were stuffed with false papers. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
The campaigns of both frontrunners were implicated. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
Karzai won a second term in office, | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
but for the West it meant five more years with a partner who'd become a liability | 0:45:04 | 0:45:09 | |
and whose state of mind was also ringing alarm bells. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:14 | |
'President Karzai said to me several times' | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
that he suspected the British Army was involved in | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
the drugs trade in Helmand, otherwise we could have ended it. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
He was sure that if we really wanted to, we could defeat the Taliban in Helmand | 0:45:23 | 0:45:28 | |
and we were choosing to keep the fighting going in order to give us an excuse to be there. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:33 | |
I mean, there is an extraordinary paranoia. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
Afghanistan was beginning to look like just another tin-pot dictatorship. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:44 | |
In America, on 1st December 2009, the President announced the results of his long-awaited Afghan review. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:55 | |
I want to speak to you tonight about our effort in Afghanistan | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
and the strategy my administration will pursue to bring this war to a successful conclusion. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:04 | |
After years of drift, | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
America SEEMED to set its compass. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
It was getting out of Afghanistan. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:11 | |
But not before having one last crack at the Taliban. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:16 | |
If I did not think that the security of the United States | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
and the safety of the American people were at stake in Afghanistan, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
I would gladly order every single one of our troops home tomorrow. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
To reverse the Taliban's momentum, | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
the generals told the President there'd need to be a military surge. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
The President sent another 30,000 troops to war. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
This has taken the total number of troops in Afghanistan to 142,000. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:48 | |
What you do today, you will have to live with that shit for the next 10, 20, 30-plus years. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:55 | |
This president decided that once in, he was in all the way | 0:46:55 | 0:47:00 | |
and that he needed to give our commanders in Afghanistan | 0:47:00 | 0:47:05 | |
the troops they felt necessary in order to turn the situation around. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
For the first time | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
we had, if you like, the end state quantified in military terms. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:17 | |
Up until then we had just been increasing bit by bit | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
with never any clue of when enough was going to be enough. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
The Americans decided that to secure Helmand, 30,000 troops were needed. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:30 | |
The most Britain could supply was 10,000. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
If the Americans hadn't gone into Helmand, | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
there would have been a strategic defeat for the British Army. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:44 | |
Well, there would have been an inability to get our strategic objectives secured, | 0:47:44 | 0:47:50 | |
because the force levels required were beyond us. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
That's not a strategic defeat for the British Army. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
It's a strategic defeat for NATO, | 0:47:56 | 0:47:57 | |
but the British Army would have done its job magnificently. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
The purpose of the surge is to clear ground held by the Taliban. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:05 | |
Smoking! | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
GUN FIRE | 0:48:09 | 0:48:10 | |
Yeah, bitch! | 0:48:10 | 0:48:11 | |
Oh, yeah, baby! | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
I fucking love you. Do it right. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
-Check? -MEN SHOUT IN RESPONSE | 0:48:22 | 0:48:24 | |
The Americans want to hand over the whole of Afghanistan to Afghan security forces by 2015. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:32 | |
When the surge was announced, the British Foreign Secretary | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
and his special envoy thought this was wildly ambitious. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:40 | |
We asked a very senior Afghan minister | 0:48:40 | 0:48:44 | |
how long the Afghan authorities would stay in Helmand after we left. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:49 | |
And the Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, was expecting an answer - | 0:48:49 | 0:48:54 | |
three years, six years, you know, however long it took. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
And the answer from this minister - very close to President Karzai, knows Helmand very well - | 0:48:58 | 0:49:04 | |
his answer with a broad grin was, "24 hours, Foreign Secretary, 24 hours." | 0:49:04 | 0:49:10 | |
The Americans say that since then, | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
there's been much progress from a 12 billion-a-year training programme. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:19 | |
Yet they are building an Afghan army and police force whose cost neither they nor the Afghans can sustain. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:25 | |
And corruption and drug-taking are still endemic, even while on guard duty. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:33 | |
Ultimately, as long as the Afghan government lacks legitimacy with the overwhelming majority, | 0:49:35 | 0:49:41 | |
its security forces may not be able to hold the Taliban at bay. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:47 | |
At the end of the day if you follow a counter insurgency strategy, | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
you must be true to its precepts. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
And one of the principal precepts is, in a counter insurgency, | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
you're only as good as the government you represent and serve. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
In this case it's the government of Afghanistan. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
That is why the Americans say that US troops will only be withdrawn from combat by 2015 | 0:50:04 | 0:50:11 | |
if the Afghans are capable by then of taking over. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
Not so the British. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
In May last year, Britain got a new leader. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
Like the President, the Prime Minister says he too will withdraw combat forces by 2015. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:32 | |
I believe the country needs to know there is an end point to all of this. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
From 2015, there will not be troops in anything like the numbers there are now | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
and crucially they will not be in a combat role. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
Unlike the American President, however, the Prime Minister intends to withdraw from combat by 2015 | 0:50:46 | 0:50:52 | |
whether or not Afghan forces can prevent al-Qaeda returning to Afghanistan | 0:50:52 | 0:50:58 | |
even though that's always been the justification for our soldiers dying there. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:04 | |
If the assessment at the end of 2014 is that | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
Afghanistan hasn't been hardened against the return of al-Qaeda, | 0:51:07 | 0:51:11 | |
might that deadline have to slip? | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
No, the deadline is a deadline and it won't slip. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
We have paid a very, very large price in terms of the number of young men | 0:51:16 | 0:51:22 | |
and indeed some young women that we've lost in Afghanistan, | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
now over 360 people. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
And I think if you're going to maintain public support and backing for what we're doing, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:32 | |
it's important to give people a clear idea that there is an end to this. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:37 | |
There are lots of domestic political reasons | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
why the Prime Minister has selected that option | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
and we've committed ourselves as the British Army to deliver against that timeline. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:48 | |
And whether or not it turns out to be an absolute timeline | 0:51:48 | 0:51:52 | |
or more conditions-based approach nearer the time, we shall find out. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:57 | |
So it's not an absolute commitment then | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
that we will get out of combat operations, irrespective of the conditions on the ground? | 0:52:00 | 0:52:05 | |
-It's certainly the intention. -The intention, yeah, but things could change? | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
Well, things could always change. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
I mean, things change weekly in politics and in strategic issues. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
For some time, Britain's special representative to Afghanistan had been arguing | 0:52:16 | 0:52:21 | |
that the only way out was to start talking to the Taliban. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
Last summer Sherard Cowper-Coles attended a summit of Afghan experts at Chequers hosted by David Cameron. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:36 | |
Stabilising Afghanistan isn't a question of pumping in more and more troops, | 0:52:36 | 0:52:41 | |
or training up a vast national army to garrison the country. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
It's creating, arriving at a political settlement | 0:52:45 | 0:52:51 | |
and then using military force to underpin that settlement, but not to deliver it. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:56 | |
The simple conclusion that we came to is that | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
most insurgencies down history and around the world have ended in two ways - | 0:53:00 | 0:53:05 | |
one, with some military success, but secondly, with some political process and solution as well. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:13 | |
The new Prime Minister decided that it was time | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
to take political risks - to start talking to the Taliban. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:21 | |
Last February, Washington agreed - something they'd previously opposed. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:27 | |
The Americans say a Taliban team, including an aide to the leader Mullah Omar, | 0:53:27 | 0:53:32 | |
are now engaged in exploratory talks. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
Eliminate any collateral damage. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
Fire. Shoot again. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
One more. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven guys. Two guys running up the wadi. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
But whilst American officials are talking to the Taliban, | 0:53:55 | 0:54:00 | |
American special forces are also seeking out and killing many individual Taliban commanders. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:06 | |
In a typical 90-day period special mission units | 0:54:09 | 0:54:13 | |
kill or capture some 360 targeted insurgent leaders. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
The Americans say that only this relentless lethal pressure | 0:54:16 | 0:54:21 | |
will persuade the Taliban to negotiate seriously. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
The Taliban say the only outcome will be yet more attacks directed at coalition forces. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:31 | |
On a moonless night last month, American special forces set course for Pakistan. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:13 | |
Their target - Osama Bin Laden, the man the Taliban leadership still revere | 0:55:13 | 0:55:18 | |
as the leader of the Islamic jihad against the infidel invaders. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:23 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
On nights like this one, we can say to those families who have lost loved ones to al-Qaeda's terror, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:33 | |
justice has been done... | 0:55:33 | 0:55:35 | |
-CROWD CHEERS -USA! USA! | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
I couldn't be more proud. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:43 | |
It's been a long ten years. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:45 | |
The Americans may have removed Bin Laden from the scene, but what of his original objectives? | 0:55:50 | 0:55:56 | |
The objective of September 11th | 0:55:56 | 0:56:01 | |
was to goad the United States into invading Afghanistan. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:07 | |
Then they could destroy an American army in Afghanistan, | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
shatter our will at home | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
and lead the United States and our allies to get out of the Islamic world. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:18 | |
Bin Laden did provoke the longest war in America's history, | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
and the financial cost has become unsustainable, never mind the human toll. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:32 | |
You are going to say that we killed your women and your children | 0:56:42 | 0:56:46 | |
and that is not true. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:47 | |
So what about the coalition's war objectives? | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
They say they've dismantled al-Qaeda's base in Afghanistan, | 0:56:51 | 0:56:56 | |
but it's been re-mantled across the border in Pakistan. | 0:56:56 | 0:57:01 | |
We have not succeeded yet in | 0:57:01 | 0:57:05 | |
partnering the state of Afghanistan | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
to ensure that al-Qaeda cannot return here. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:10 | |
Ten years ago, we thought we could get in and out quickly. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:15 | |
Today, we're still struggling to build an Afghan government | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
that can stand on its own two feet... | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
GUNSHOTS AND EXPLOSIONS | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
..and now we're losing patience. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
I think no-one really understood, | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
perhaps still no-one really does understand | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
the scale of the challenge we've taken on in Afghanistan. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:36 | |
We would never, in the 19th century, have created a colony, | 0:57:36 | 0:57:40 | |
run it for five or ten years, and then said, "It's over to you now." | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
But that's really what our so-called strategy in Afghanistan is. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:47 | |
If it's going to take 30 years to stabilise Afghanistan, | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
let the Afghans go through those 30 years of stabilisation, | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
because we will never do it. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
We have not 30 years, but just three years to get it finally right. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:06 | |
The armies of the international coalition are all heading for the exits. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:12 | |
Next week Mark Urban tells the inside story | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
of the bloody five-year battle for Helmand with unique access | 0:58:18 | 0:58:22 | |
to the generals and frontline troops who have had to fight it. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:27 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 0:58:42 | 0:58:45 | |
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